‘It Was BRUTALITY’ Milo Yiannopoulos Deported - Exclusive Interview | Nancy Mace CONFRONTED Over AIPAC & Gaza

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here right now i think it was about 138 000 and clearly it wasn't enough will you condemn the murder of lindsey clancy's children will you condemn murder murderous moms welcome back to piers morgan on sensor we've got a lot to discuss president trump has threatened to escalate u.s attacks on iran for weeks now he has but only with an ai video and the juries are liberating the harrowing trial of child killer lindsey clancy we'll begin with the return to the uk of a highly controversial figure who has for years manipulated the media against his enemies while facing claims of attention-seeking narcissism no i'm not talking about prince harry milo yiannopoulos was deported from the u.s over the weekend after being detained at an airport in new orleans by ice and border chief tom homan said this he overstayed his visa i believe his visitor visa but i'm sure but he overstayed the visa he was ordered to appear in immigration court he didn't show up the judge ordered him deported so once ice gets the order deportation from a federal judge their job should execute that order and that's what they did he had his due process ordered removed by a federal judge and ice removed them it's that simple well it's that simple says tom homan but many believe there's much more to it homeland security made an extraordinary point of publicizing his arrest and releasing this pretty unflattering mugshot the right-wing commentator laura loomer a close confidant of the president and who milo used to work with is taking all the credit she posted this i was the first person to report on the fact that milo was in the u.s illegally where he incited violence against president trump and worked for marjorie traitor green recently candace owens invited his illegal alien into her home when milo called for me to be assassinated i reported them to ice and the fbi milo's going to be deported back to the uk where he can live among the muslims he's recently chosen to embrace today is a great day for america but it is minor's association with the controversial conservatives who recently turned against the president which many believe led to his removal from the u.s as editor of breitbart he was an early supporter of trump's first presidency and a significant mega media personality more recently he's worked with figures like kanye west and marjorie taylor greene while accusing trump of betraying his base over issues like the epstein scandal and israel some think he's a victim of selective politicized justice others are enjoying the irony of a deportation cheerleader himself being deported either way most people believe this might be the end of the milo show but does he well milo yiannopoulos is yet to say anything publicly but he's here in the uncensored studio in london where he's been forced to come back to um milo well first of all how are you uh i don't think i've ever been afraid before like i was the last week maybe i've lived an especially uh closeted and and cosseted life but i i i think i think um for the first time i i i know what it feels like to be really really terrified um what were you terrified of well i'd like to get to some of the claims that were made by um homan in a moment but i didn't really i didn't really understand the physical reality of of how institutionalized the brutality is in america the the manner in which they arrest you they put your manacles your hands your feet chain it together i mean like it is every everybody is arrested is like an ms-13 gang member and it hurts a lot more than it looks like on television um you know i was put from uh from from um you know detention facility to a correction facility um you know every three hours they were trying to keep ahead of my lawyers so i couldn't you know whatever um but but no one would tell me anything um it was it i mean i know it's designed to be like that but it's it was sure it was humiliating and it was disorientating the rest of it it was physically degrading it was it was frightening it was frightening i don't think i've ever been frightened like that before just not how emotional have you been through this period i've never been like this before i i tripped and kind of tumbled down the stairs a night or two ago and you know i'm a clumsy person so that it's not the rarest thing in the world but it set something off from from when i'd been kind of you know uh shoved down a couple of steps and i was weeping like an old woman for an hour um and i was like oh i really have to get this out of my system um i i think maybe in the past i've been a little bit um a little bit blasé when people talked about their trauma a little bit kind of cavalier when people talked about um you know stuff kind of kind of lingering with them but i i get it now um and uh i wouldn't wish it on anyone the thing that astonishes me i have to say is to see the various bits of the american government all the machinery of the government kind of lining up to lie in the manner that um tom homer just did i mean i want to be completely clear with you and with your viewers like i manage i don't really do you know the right-wing provocateur thing anymore i manage lawyers for a living um you know i'm pretty organized and together person when i'm you know when i'm not being silly on twitch on twitter and i'm married to an american there's no reason i would take a risk like this i didn't need to have a stay a visa uh there were dozens of companies who could have sponsored me and i and i'm married to an american i didn't well okay so let's just get to some cold hard facts about this which obviously other people will be able to verify at some stage so you're a you're a uk citizen right you're a british so you were in america under what kind of visa well i entered legally under an o1 visa which is the uh yeah i know i've had one of them yeah i'm sure you have one too yeah uh and in the course of um which actually they call you an exceptional alien it's the way they describe that alien of extraordinary ability right so it always makes me laugh so you were there so when was that legal too in other words when did it expire um so i've had a couple of them uh and the last one i think would have expired in 2019 but long before that happened in 2017 i got married to an american so i filed for an adjustment of status basically to switch tracks to a green card and that's what i did went to the interviews and that's what i had but and you got a green card yes but when so if you have a green card on what basis have they thrown you out of the country they sent notices to an address they knew i didn't live at anymore two addresses ago in florida almost 10 years ago in order to get an in absentia hearing which is uh basically they show up with a judge they tell the judge you didn't show up you didn't respond to the notices and they asked the judge to to give them a you know an order that's what happened they had previously cancelled my work permit without telling me they excluded my lawyer and the ice agents who arrested me in louisiana told me this i don't know if they were supposed to but they told me that my lawyer had been deliberately excluded and i said well how do you even know that i have one he said because i've got his name and phone number right here but they didn't send him the notices and they didn't send you the notices they sent to an address you don't live at when you get served with this stuff from immigration it doesn't come by fedex or or a process server you know like in your hand or anything like that they just mail it and if they mail it to an address you don't live at they can have a whole they may not have been deliberate that could just be an admin error but i'd had notices from the ex not not just from you know some vague immigration related um you know a bit of the government from the precise agency department uh that sent these notices that had notices at two new addresses of course i had because i've been giving them my is your green car still valid no uh because they cancelled it without telling me when uh that i don't know but but in what period of time could it have been cancelled well it must have been cancelled sometime in the last year i mean you presumably have you traveled to and from america uh i happen not to have done the last year but but when was the last time you entered america uh probably two years ago two years ago and you came from where uh i wasn't here i think probably europe um maybe i want to say hungary or or okay but you went i don't recall on this but you entered not using an o1 visa but using the green card right but they did is that right yes that's correct and you were allowed in yes and i had my little green card they took all of those things from me when they arrested me how long is the green car valid for we can either get it for two or ten years what did you have it for so i had two years and i was renewing on a two-year basis and was it had that elapsed no no i had not no i had not because look so your contention just to be clear is that your green card yes was still valid at the point that you were deported well no because i think they cancelled it without telling me in what period of time that i don't know yet i've asked for my complete file of my complete records, I don't know if I'll even get them. But everything about what happened was very, very off. And, you know, in my life I've been, you know, called a right-wing conspiracy theorist and all the rest of it, so I'm not going to. I'm going to try to keep this, like, as sane and sober as I can. Well, the point is, they'll be watching this interview, so anything you say which they can contradict with evidence, they're likely to do. Why would I lie? It's going to make it even more difficult for me to get back to see my family, back to see my pets, my. So, what family do you have back in America at the moment? Your wife? Well, I'm married to an American. I've got dependents, I've got cats, I've got, you know, I've got employees. I have a whole life there. I've been there for ten years. You know, everything is there. You're married to an American woman? No. Man? Has there been. I don't want to pry into your sexuality, but. Yeah, I don't. I know you've. I mean, you're a gay man and you're married to a gay man. I. Yes, I don't. Yeah? Is that.? I don't do the sex stuff anymore, but, yes. OK, listen, I'm only asking because I just want to know what family you have left in America. Yeah, but. Where is your. Where is your spouse? Living in the same. In the same house, in the other. At the other end of the corridor. In which state is this? This is in California. In California? In LA? Yes. Right. And so they had to wait until I left California to kind of scoop me up. And everything about this is peculiar because, you know, the guys who arrested me, they said, they didn't tell your lawyer about this. And they told me, the ICE agents that picked me up in Louisiana, they said, three of the five notices they sent were returned to sender, addressed the unknown. So the government knew I wasn't there. The government knew I wasn't getting these things. It knew that I had no idea what was happening. And they did this anyway. And then when they did it, the way they did it, you know, they. I mean. This was. faster, rougher and nastier than perhaps any deportation. When was the first you heard that you were going to be deported? When I got off the plane in Louisiana. When was that? Thursday night. Right. For a work trip. And you'd had no warning at all? Absolutely nothing whatsoever. So you get off a plane from Louisiana to LA. I've never even been arrested before. I've never been in trouble with the police. I'm a, you know, I have a big mouth. And, you know, I know that. And I say a lot of things that, you know, that upset people. But I don't break the law. I'm not a violent person. I'm not a thief. And I'm very careful about my paperwork precisely because, you know, I've got a gob on me and I don't want to give people, you know, easy routes in, you know. I don't want to give people easy ways to get at me that aren't necessary. The first I heard of it was when 15 agents swarmed me at Louisiana airport and it didn't get any less. It was very theatrical from there on. I was moved. I was. I didn't eat for 24 hours. I was promised, you know, a nurse that never came. I was promised a phone call that never came. I was promised all kinds of things that never came. I mean, you know, just about everything that you hear that people are supposed to have as far as, you know, rights and, you know, abilities when they get arrested, I did not have. Nobody would tell me anything. And the really telling detail for me is that two of the. Two of the agents during this process recognized me from 2016 when I was a big supporter of the president. And one of them said something along the lines of, "Yeah, I'm not doing this." And the other one said something along the lines of, "This is not what I got into this for." And at least one of them, and I think two of them, walked off the job because they didn't want to do it. And another pairing of the vice agents who took me to the airport in Houston told me that they were getting calls from Washington every 20 minutes. Like, where is he? Where is he? Where is he? This was not a normal, lawful process. You know, if I overstayed and if I had messed up, there would have been a process. I would have been arrested. I mean, what's being reported is that you overstayed a visa. Obviously, if you're a green card holder married to an American citizen, that gives you a completely different status to stay in the country. Married in September 2017 in Hawaii. But the point is this. Even if their story was true, there's an opportunity, before they take you anywhere else, for you to have a lawyer to file a motion to ask for your case to be reopened, to say, "Sorry, I didn't see the notices. I didn't know. Your Honor, I apologize. Can you at least hear me out?" And chances are, in those circumstances, if you've overstayed -- Dave Portnoy here. Football is here and so is DraftKings. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states, from Texas to California to Florida. 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Terms at DKNG.co/offer. You get deported anyway, but none of those things -- Right. And you believe the motivation for this is political, and in fact, we don't need to be Hercule Poirot to work out who may have been the instigator, because the instigator has proudly claimed credit. It's Laura Loomer, who's this pretty bonkers character in America on the pretty far right who has an extraordinary influence over Donald Trump and who posted this on X. Breaking illegal alien Milo Yiannopoulos has been detained by ICE. I was the first person to report on the fact that Milo was in the US illegally, where he incited violence. I've worked for Marjorie Taylor Greene, recently Candace Owens invited this illegal alien into her home. When Milo called for me to be assassinated, I reported him to ICE and the FBI. I told you all that Milo was an illegal alien. He was detained in Louisiana by ICE. Milo is going to be deported back to the UK, where he can live among the Muslims he's recently chosen to embrace. Today is a great day for America. So I read that earlier, and it's worth recounting her words, because let's just go through her claims in this post. Yeah. One is that you incited violence against President Trump. Yeah. And worked for Marjorie Taylor Greene. Now, what is she getting at? I don't see how they're connected. So what is she getting at by the incitement of violence against Trump? I don't really know. I don't, I certainly don't recall ever doing that. I don't think that I ever did that. That sounds like a crazy thing to do. Have you ever posted anything threatening or that could be taken threatening? No, I've certainly posted things that are insulting. Like what? You know, I've probably called him a fat ginger idiot. I've probably called him a, you know, a traitor, not a traitor, but I probably called him a, you know, somebody who's betrayed his base. I've probably said that he's a coward. But none of that rises, you know, remotely to the level of a threat of violence. I think what she's stringing these things together for is, you know, that I'm not the first person on the American right, and particularly not the first person on the kind of, you know, populist center right, early fans of Trump, to be, to put it mildly, deeply disillusioned with the way that his, you know. No. I mean. Candace is one, Tucker Carlson's the other, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Right. I think you're very familiar with many of these people. Of course. I've interviewed many of them, yeah. And some of them are, I'm sure, your friends. So, you know, I'm very safely and squarely in the mainstream of that particular kind of blob of people. I don't know what those two things have in common. At the center of this, you believe that they canceled your green card without you being made aware of this. And that as a consequence, they could now legitimately claim, because you had no current green card, that you were there illegally. And they used that as a pretext to deport you. Is that what you're saying? I don't know any other explanation for, I can't come to any other conclusion. And you know, I keep coming back to some of the things that do stick out from this experience, which is, you know, these ICE agents did not want to do this. It was clear that they, you know, that they didn't want to do a lot of what they were doing. It was clear that they didn't want to do this. It was clear they didn't want to do this. So many people are seeing it, you know, who are defending you. And it's interesting who's defending you and who isn't. There's been a deafening silence from a lot of the people I might have expected to defend you. And I'm interested in your reaction to that. But other people, actually on the left-- I'm used to that. Well, people on the left have come forward, interestingly, who don't even like you. And to say that this is a disturbing infringement, potentially, of your First Amendment rights to free speech, that you're being punished for your views of Donald Trump and the Trump administration and so on. And that Laura Loomer, who is, you know, extremely devoted to President Trump and in his ear all the time, has used your association with Candace Owens and with Marjorie Taylor Greene and others, has decided to basically shut you up by sending you back to the UK. I don't know how we can come to any other conclusion. This is not how immigration systems are supposed to work. And there are, you know, seven, eight, nine things that are supposed to happen that do for everybody else that didn't in my case. But, you know, I've had very good lawyers. They do not believe this will stand at all. I don't think the Miami judge who handed this order down had any idea what they were up to and what they were going to use his order to do. And judges typically take a pretty dim view of being used like that. We've seen that with the FISA courts and other examples. And I think maybe, you know, I might ask that judge, you know, without giving too much away about my legal strategy, you know, to do me a solid and to help me out a little bit because I think it's quite obvious that the government has maliciously and deviously, in a very underhanded way, you know, created a scenario in which they could scoop me up and eject me and make an example out of me, you know, sort of overnight. But the manner in which they did it is, as far as I can see, quite clearly unlawful and not how an immigration system is supposed to work. And, again, I didn't do it. I didn't do it. If I'd overstayed, fair enough, but even if I had, things are supposed to happen in a particular order. You know, justice is supposed to be done. People are supposed to have their rights. You know, people are supposed to be able to be heard. And none of that happened. In fact, they lied to me in writing. They lied to my lawyers over the phone. You know, all kinds of really dark kind of stuff went down when this was all happening. And I don't think this will stand. I don't believe that this will survive. Online scams used to be much easier to spot. Think strange emails with bad spellings and the occasional exiled Nigerian prince. But AI has changed. Scams can now be almost impossible to spot. AI can generate flawless messages that sound exactly like your bank or your employer. One mistaken click is all it takes. Americans lost $16 billion to fraud last year, including more than $2 billion to social media scams. And the process of identity theft recovery takes an average of 500 days. Cover-on is your best defense. 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She's the kind of person who ordinarily is more of a danger to themselves than to others, but unfortunately she's fallen into this kind of, you know, symbiotic, you know, sort of toxic, toxic relationship with Trump where he can't get enough of her obsequious, toadying praise and she can't get enough of, you know, the clout from the proximity. And so I think he, you know, allows her to run riot because he, you know, likes anybody who praises him, especially, I guess, these days because they're pretty few and far between. I don't want to get into the specifics of this. You know, I. Let me just finish my point. Because of the defamation law in the UK where we're doing this interview, we have to be careful. But, you know, my understanding is that you accused her of something when you were working with her in relation to another staff member. Yeah. Which I don't want you to discuss in detail because we don't have any way of corroborating it. That's right. But do you believe that this may then be a sort of payback for what you tried to do there? Well, because I saw that there was something very seriously wrong with her, I was one of the people who, you know, made sure that Trump did not endorse her. And I think that's something that we need to be careful about. Thank you. I think that's something that we need to be careful about. We need to be careful about. If I had any clue that anything remotely like this, you know, was even possible, I would never have got involved in supporting Trump in the first place. And I'm very ashamed that I did. I want to play you a clip. This is from Ben Shapiro, no great friend of yours, who, well, he's basically trampling on your deportation grave. Let's take a look. This guy, this one, why he was hanging around in the United States for so long, nobody really understands. Was he of benefit to the United States? As long as we're evoking H-1B visas, it seems to me that there is no special talent visa applicable for Milo Yiannopoulos. We have plenty of nut jobs here in the United States. We don't need more. What's your reaction to Ben Shapiro? Well, I've written a lot more New York Times bestsellers than he has. So, you know, as far as extraordinary ability goes, you know, let's not punch down. When he calls you a decrepit pervert and scuzzbucket. I mean. As he did in his lengthy tirade. What do you feel about that? Ben has been very upset for a very long time because when I started to become popular way back in 2016, and Ben was, you know, juicing his numbers and, you know, paying for it, like they do in America, you know, the influencer kind of, you know, astroturfing all the rest of it. And I was just sailing past him in every way, completely organically. You know, he couldn't really understand. He's one of those people that, you know, one of those terminal mediocrities that can't really understand the difference between them and the talented people and just sort of sits and fumes and froths and, you know, occasionally tries to sort of engage with them and then has to eject them out of, you know, out of rage and envy. I mean, he did the same thing with Candice. You know, Ben has become, well, Ben became somewhat wealthy and somewhat influential by being, you know, a nasty, dark, slippery person behind the scenes. I think everyone's kind of got the measure of him now. And, you know, sorry to hear that his organisation's doing so poorly, but if he's very cross about something, it should be the state of his P&L, not me. The criticism against you is a charge of hypocrisy because people say, well, look, you spent a lot of time supporting publicly ICE being very aggressive with deportations. On January the 2nd, 2025, you posted punishing Somalis indiscriminately. As a group and deported them all is the only way this administration will persuade the voters it is serious and up to the job. And then again in May 25, there's one concrete thing we must insist on this administration delivering. It matters a lot more than debts measured in imaginary money. We'll deport millions and millions of people without that nothing else matters. In September 2025, total legal immunity for ICE agents when they're on duty. And 21st of September 2025, justice system should be just ICE. So there you are. Aggressively promoting ICE being very aggressive and demanding that millions of people be deported. People say, Milo, you've been hoisted by your own petard. And I don't have a word to say. You got me. I'm very. Look. I mean, they're doing what you told them to do. Deport millions of people. Not really. It just happened to include you. They're not doing it lawfully. And I think. You did say about Somalis they should be deported indiscriminately. Well, I'm obviously exaggerating. Deporting them all. I'm obviously exaggerating there. I think another tweet, I said something like, you know, we shouldn't let the 97% of Somalis, you know, create a bad reputation for the, you know, for the law abiding 3%. I tell all kinds of mean-spirited, exaggerated jokes. Right. But the point is that ICE is supposed to be deporting criminals. I understand, Milo. They're supposed to be prioritizing people who come in illegally. I know. Who sell people. I understand. Who murder. Milo. Who rape. I get it. And they're not doing that. I get it. They're not doing that. The problem. The problem you have, I think, in these tweets and public statements is that you weren't singling out Somali criminals, for example, or just criminals. You wanted Somalis as a group. All deported. You said that. Yeah, but you said that. I was. Look, when the. You can't deny saying it. No, of course not. I'm not. So the argument against you goes, well, Milo, you know, you didn't care about Somalis being legally or illegally there. You wanted them all thrown out. I'm generalizing. I'm generalizing about groups that have rampant crime. I don't think British ghostwriters are an especially egregiously violent group of people. But, yes, it is true that, you know, the majority of Somalis in Minnesota are in some way. with the fraud there. Yes, it is true that there are some demographic kind of tendencies or, you know, in the statistics about violent crime and sexual crime and stuff in America. If ICE were doing its job and clearing America out of the people who rape, kill, murder and sell drugs and a couple of extra people got caught up in the dragnet and if I was one of them, nobody would have very much to say. But they're not doing that. When I was taken in, something struck me really remarkable, right? I was in three different ICE detention facilities. Do you know what I saw? Do you know what the kind of people that I saw in the cells next to me? Nobody. There was nobody there. I was the only person in the entire facility three times in a row because they're not doing the job, they're not doing anything. The ICE agents all have lovely, brand-new vehicles. They've got gorgeous new infirmary. They've got a great community and Chevrolet, you know, whatever you call it, SUVs. They've got great uniforms, great equipment. But every single one of those facilities I was taken to, every one, I was put in a huge line of cells in which there was nobody. That seems to me an argument for deporting more people like you. Well, I don't think like me, but maybe deporting more people in general. Are you bemused, annoyed, upset by the data? Do you have any kind of deafening silence from people on the alt-right that you might expect to be supported publicly? Steve Bannon, for example, Candice Owens, Nick Fuentes? No, no, Candice. They've been pretty noticeable by their public silence. Um, Candice has, um, you know, you don't always know what people reach out to say and do privately, so, you know. Publicly, I mean. No, um. Why are they not supporting you publicly? I haven't. I honestly haven't seen who has and who hasn't on Twitter. It's not something that's ever bothered me. The kinds of. I would call it comedy. Maybe you would have a different word for it. The kinds of commentary and tweets that I have been publishing for the better part of 15 years now don't make you a lot of friends. And, um, it's never a shock to me when I get myself into hot water that everybody kind of backs away quietly. What about. What about. What about Ye West? I don't blame people for that. Um, my boss and his wife were just worried that I was OK, and I was. So, he has contacted you? Of course. Yes, and, uh. He phoned you? He texted you? How did he.? We were in touch and, uh. Texted you? Yes, and I've been back to work for two days. For him? Yeah, of course. So, you're working for Ye? That's my full-time job, yeah. Well, you. How would you describe your job for him? Well, I manage his lawyers, which I can do from anywhere. Right. Um, but, you know, that you might, um. Does Ye think it's a miscarriage of justice that you've been deported? Uh, I didn't ask for his opinion on the subject. You know, I was just, uh. I was really just, uh, expressing my. Uh, regret that it was a distraction and irritation for him and, uh, reassuring him that I'd be back to work. And, you know, he was happy that I was all right and that was it. You've been, obviously, very associated with the MAGA movement, with Trump, with the alt-right and so on. And some people, you know, are sympathetic to you for what's happened to you. So, you've just basically been chewed up and spat out by the very people that you were, in many cases, instrumental in making more popular and making more money. Do you feel that? I mean, do you feel like.? That's true, but that's a decision I made, because I decided to be the one to say it first. And I decided to be the one to be the furthest out there. I decided to be the one to be the most outrageous. And I decided to be the one to, you know, uh, mentor and to, um, and to, you know, germinate the others. So, I never. I never like to see people whinge about getting what they ask for. And if you are a provocateur in public life and you get banned from things, and you get, um, blacklisted from things, and people say nasty things, and then when you're in trouble, people go quiet, I don't think you. Like, it's kind of a bad look, you know? You know, if you get under people's skin for a living, to make a political point, you know, for a higher purpose, we hope, most of the time. Um, and then, you know, and then you squeal and cry. play the victim when people don't rush to your aid, I think that's pretty pathetic. I hate to see that. I hope that I never do that. And I try and do that. That's a decision I made. This that we're talking about today is not a decision I made. In fact, you know, as I just mentioned, I manage lawyers for a living, I'm married to an American. There is no reason on earth I would have allowed a situation to, um, to. to emerge where I was in that kind of situation. Are you going to sue the administration, the Department of Homeland Security? How are you going to play this? Well, they did not allow for the proper, uh, lawful appeals procedure. There is no procedure to be followed, so I'm going to start with that. Uh, and we'll see how we go. And we'll see how the Miami judge feels when they are fully apprised of exactly what went down in the run-up to that order being issued and what they did with that order afterwards, because I don't think that judge is going to be very happy. Um, and so I'm going to pursue the orderly, lawful appeals process and see where that leads, and we'll see where we are after that. But I don't believe this will stand. I have a family. I have a home. I have employees. I have, uh, um, two, uh, um, very gorgeous little Bengal, um, cats. I've got. I've got a whole life, you know, a whole life. Um, and. and I'm not going to allow a very frightening, um, and politically motivated, you know, uh, weekend of hell to rip my whole life away from me. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm not going to. Some would say, Milo, that you've been an enthusiastic supporter of a movement which has attracted a lot of white supremacists uh, anti-women, uh, people, anti-Semites, racists and so on, um, that whip up political discourse for traction, for clicks, for money, and so on, and now all your chickens have come home to roost. You know, not. I won't get into all the things you've said that are inflammatory. I don't. I don't think that's fair. No, my. my only question was this - was it worth it? I mean, if you look back at the whole arc of what's happened. Of course, of course. As you sit here now. Of course. Of course. You know, looking. not a broken man, but a pretty beaten up man. A pretty beaten up guy. Was it worth it? I'm a very successful millionaire. I'm OK. Like, I'm all right. I'm just not in the country that I choose to live in. I'm all right. You know, like, I'm not. I'm not, um. I'm not a refugee from a war zone. I had a frightening weekend, right? And I'm going to fix the situation that happened that was unjust and. and wrong. But I'm not, you know. I have a pretty. I have it pretty good. Um, yes, it was worth it, because it's always worth it to tell the truth. And I. and I, you know, ask you. I think sometimes, you know, I get characterised as the. as the. you know. well, sometimes I am the ringleader, and sometimes I'm not. But if you go back to the things that I was writing about the alt-right in sort of 2016, it wasn't a. um. it wasn't a, um. you know, a. a bristling encomium to encourage people to the. to the far fringes. I wrote an analysis. I wrote an anatomy of. of. it was called "An Establishment Conservative's Guide to the Alt-Right." It was the most influential piece of political journalism that half decade. um, uh, millions of people read it. And it was an anatomy of the movement from the fringes to the mainstream. I always thought of myself as being in the mainstream, even if I have a big mouth, even if I tell nasty jokes. My. my. my. I mean, would you. I mean, look, you did once say that feminism was a cancer, and the only women who are deeply, physically unattractive turn to it. That's absolutely true. True? Absolutely true. The only women who are deeply, physically unattractive are feminists? Um, yes. I mean, the only question, uh. the only serious question about that is whether feminism makes women ugly or whether ugly. you know, it. You see, here's. here's the point, Marlow. If you look down, you just say, "Yeah, I still believe that." I mean, only. only 7% of women just, you know, describe themselves as, uh, feminists. I mean, you know, uh, um. Yeah, but. This is not a popular movement. I mean, you. But I know many feminists who are not. You say. you say this like, you know, "Oh, uh, you've got these terrible things to say about feminism." I mean, feminism, um. Feminism has. That's a terrible thing to say about. Feminism has lower approval ratings. That's a terrible thing to say. than some serial killers. That's a terrible thing to say about women. What? The. the. The. the only deeply, physically attractive women. unattractive women. are feminists. are drawn to a movement that is terrible for men and women, that is driven by grievance and angst and. and. and. and doesn't get anybody anywhere. But do you accept. and has, in fact. But, Milo. But, Milo. Do you accept this makes you sound. made women. But, Milo. more unhappy? Milo, notwithstanding your argument about feminism as a movement, do you understand that the way you categorise that makes you sound like a flaming misogynist? It's the kind of thing Andrew Tate would say. Um. If. The one bigotry that you get me on is woman-hating. I can live with that. Really? Um. Why would you be proud to be a woman-hater? I'm not. I didn't say that. I didn't say I was proud of it. I said that I see in myself that flaw. You hate women? No. That I. I. I have said hateful things about women. Yeah, I have. Do I struggle with. find. you know, do I struggle, like, mustering affection for women? Sometimes. Probably lots to do with my mother. Probably lots to do with being homosexual for a lot of my life. Um. Yeah, I do. I do. I do struggle to muster sympathy and affection for women sometimes. If. If I'm guilty of a. Of a. Of a really serious, um. You know, hatred toward anyone, maybe. Maybe. Maybe I do hate women a bit. Um. And I. And I see that. I see that flaw in myself. But. That does not mean I'm going to give an ugly, poisonous movement like feminism an easy ride because it makes men and women more miserable. Milo? Uh. I appreciate you coming to the studio and giving your case. People will better judge it for themselves. themselves what they heard but thank you very much god bless you thanks well it's been reported that the lindsey clancy jury's been unable to reach a unanimous verdict jurors were ordered to continue deliberating on tuesday morning after informing the day portnoy here football is here and so is draft kings the draft kings sports app is now live in all 50 states from texas to california to florida in this september draft kings is giving customers the opportunity to get boosted every football game day every game day all month long draft kings customers can get a profit boost on select football games new draft kings customers sign up with code spotify spend five bucks and get 200 in total rewards within 21 days includes all markets that's code spotify in partnership with draft kings the crown is yours event trading offered by draft kings predictions a cftc registered futures commission merchant trading involves risk of loss market availability 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going to be talking to you today about the president um well let me start with you president um well let me start with you uh nancy if i may uh your reaction to what you've just been uh nancy if i may uh your reaction to what you've just been hearing from milo yiannopoulos well hearing from milo yiannopoulos well certainly i hope he has all of the statements he made certainly i hope he has all of the statements he made documented because i think he has a good case documented because i think he has a good case on appeal for what happened to him um you know it on appeal for what happened to him um you know it doesn't feel good when you have the mob coming doesn't feel good when you have the mob coming after you and i'm someone who's had the mob on after you and i'm someone who's had the mob on both the left and the right after them at any both the left and the right after them at any number of times for any number of statements number of times for any number of statements uh i know how that feels um when they are going uh i know how that feels um when they are going after you and it makes you wonder after you and it makes you wonder is this retribution is it political retribution what is this retribution is it political retribution what was behind it what happened was behind it what happened um i want to know why his mail or his warnings were returned to um i want to know why his mail or his warnings were returned to sender if they knew where he sender if they knew where he lived um but it was a fascinating interview um but it leaves a lot of questions behind i think what about what he said about women at the end oh well uh certainly heartbreaking uh to hear that but i think when we see some of the i think uh discussion about women or women's issues i've been shamed over being a survivor by people on both sides of the aisle like it really tugs at my heartstrings as a mom to hear that but at least he's sort of i guess uh understands that that's where he is um and i think it is i mean obviously it's harmful to women um having that kind of rhetoric out there but uh you know was sad i really like i'm a mom and you know thinking about it and i think it's really sad i think it's really sad i think it's really about the lindsey clancy thing thinking about the cultural divide we have in our country and honestly it makes me sad for our country let me bring in anna casperian and anna i mean i was pretty shocked by what he said at the end about women i gotta be honest to sort of just calmly admit you you probably have a problem hating women um you know you're not going to get many female supporters for your cause by being quite so brazenly misogynist yeah i don't know i don't really care what he thinks about women at all doesn't matter to me affect my life even in the least what do you feel about what's happened to him in terms of as he says he he believes he had a green card he's married to an american man uh and that he should never have been deported many people think because of laura luma's involvement because of the way she boasted about her involvement that he's been a political scapegoat for turning on the maggot movement if you like or as he would see it the uh you know the trump administration and those who he thinks have strayed away from the maggot movement but what do you feel about that part of it not notwithstanding his views on women i think he might have a legitimate claim there i mean supporters of the trump administration really don't make it a secret that they want to use immigration status uh to retaliate against critics uh and that's the bigger issue that i'm having here you know you see this broader trend of trump's allies calling for american citizens to be deported to the united states or for actual american citizens who were born here in the united states to be deported although they're never clear about where they would be deported to considering the fact they were born here in the united states so the use of our laws including immigration law uh doing so cynically in an effort to retaliate against political opponents i think is a really big problem and it leads to a lot of disdain and distrust toward our political system i think it's a bad idea and they keep doing it i think it's a bad idea and they keep doing it welcome back to uncensored um like the other two that we spoke to there is a free speech issue here people think which is that as long as he was saying the right things about president trump and the administration there were no questions being raised about his immigration status the moment he turned against the administration laura luma who may have a personal vested interest in disliking him from when they worked together and stuff that may have gone on there has led a politically motivated campaign uh which she's talked about publicly to get him thrown out the country are you comfortable with that no i'm not comfortable with it at all i agree with anna i think that this is politically motivated i think that this goes to uh the sense of you know if they don't like what you say they're going to get rid of you they're going to deport you i mean look at marco rubio he's telling people that if you criticize uh the the genocidal state of israel that that you won't be welcomed into this country i know palestinians that are living here on a visa and they're going to get rid of you they're afraid to you know speak out about the genocide because they're they're afraid to be deported as well i mean this cannot happen in the united states of america and i would really love it if nancy mace right now on this panel could come out and and talk about the genocide that is happening in gaza i mean she's taken over a hundred thousand dollars from apac over her career i would really love for you to call it a genocide right here right now i think it was about 138 thousand dollars and clearly wasn't enough i would like your take on the genocide of christian area which is a story nobody wants to cover um at all um so the difference between you and i as i'm willing to say i support jews there is only one jewish state in the world and they are under attack by you so do you support the palestinians right to exist or do you just support israel i do not support a two-state solution i mean this has been israel's land condemn can you condemn the genocide in gaza right now right here i condemn genocide everywhere will you condemn the genocide of can you condemn six minutes to kill them will you condemn murder murderous moms that that's the difference as an excuse to kids that's the difference between you and i is that i don't take money from apac like you do and so you're you're a slave you're honestly a slave to the system it's people like you that are the problem if you think i'm a slave you're not paying attention 20 000 innocent children in gaza can you condemn that right now nancy can you condemn lindsey clancy's murder can you condemn don't don't pivot do not pivot do not answer the question can you condemn the killing of 20 000 innocent children everywhere around the world and you can't say i'm a mom murdering her kids can you say can you say it looks like the check's clear are you can you say it can you say it can you condemn israel's genocide in gaza i don't believe there's been genocide in gaza you can't do it because you're bought and paid for let me ask a different let me ask a different question okay let me jump in please ladies let me jump in ladies let me jump in you're no free woman ladies please let me i am moderating this panel whether you like it or not um nancy mace my question to you would be do you condemn uh anything that israel's been doing in gaza uh i don't condemn i think israel is protecting jews as they uh they're even the gang rapes support even the gang rapes i support the gang rapes and by the way including the gang rapes iran broke out you know where i went i went to israel to rescue america of course you did you did you love israel you should move there you should move there you're a slave you're pathetic no free woman all right well i asked the question i asked the question these don't all talk at once i asked the question we got an answer uh let me ask you a question let me let me go to tiffany smiley um let's just move on to another big story that's been happening and as we've been talking uh they kind of hit a gridlock on this and i'm not surprised it's a very complicated story and this is the story of lindsey clancy uh the woman who killed her three children and uh the defense being she was suffering from you know severe postpartum uh depression almost psychosis and didn't know what she was doing even though it looked like a lot of the actions had been premeditated and she was suffering from a severe postpartum depression and so on there was a jury's obviously having a lot of trouble uh trying to work out where guilt may or may not lie here in terms of first degree murder and this has caused a lot of controversy people like matt walsh and others on the conservative right saying well of course it's murder she killed three children you might have you know some explanation for why she did it but when did we become a society which has you know hundreds of people fans outside the courtroom who are not guilty of murdering someone who killed three children what is your view of this case yeah i mean my heart breaks for everyone in this case and there are three beautiful souls who are dead and the conspiracy theorist and And like we've just witnessed on your panel, people who just run to their corners and yell and scream takes away from a bigger conversation that I think needs to be had on a lot of issues. And that cuts through and asks the question, how do we make sure that this never happens again? And how we do that is we have to understand it from a holistic perspective. We have to understand where the breakdown was. Where did it occur? Was it in the health care system? Was it her caretakers? We know that she suffered from some forms of postpartum depression. I was a triage nurse on an OBGYN floor. I have seen firsthand the mental health crisis that our country faces. And Americans would be shocked if they understood and knew what our health care providers face on a daily basis. This was 15 years ago that I was working. And you would be shocked if I told you some of the stories that women had coming into our triage center. And that was a long time ago. And it's only gotten worse. I do know, as a former health care professional, that postpartum depression can get worse with each child. Now, was it addressed appropriately with her first one and then it subsequently got worse, leading to psychosis? Did she not have a care network at home that understood her? Did she wrap shame around it? Did the medical system fail her? Should she have been institutionalized? And why was she? Why was she released? These are the questions that we need to know so we can make sure that this absolutely never happens again. We are a society that just pushes medication and says, go have a nice day. She had three children under her care who are now dead. And in some way, this woman felt that her only option out of the pain, out of the torture, was to kill her children and try to kill herself. So we need answers to these questions. You know, I was speaking with a legal analyst. Just last week, and there were five of us talking about this case. And he said, this is going to be a hung jury because all five of us in this conversation looked at this case from a different lens. I am not surprised by what's going on. I do believe it will be a hung jury. There are women on the panel that have seen the facts, have understood her situation on a level that perhaps we will not until the verdict comes out. But the prosecution, you know, they want first degree. And I think they had a very hard time proving that a sane, rational mother would do the most unrational thing. Right. So let me bring Nancy back into this. I mean, the defense case, you know, I read it in detail to try and get my head around exactly what's happened here. And they say that following the birth of a third child, that Clancy spent months seeking help from multiple hospitals and outpatient programs for worsening severe insomnia, depression, intrusive thoughts. Well, as we just heard Tiffany, like, make excuses for a mom who murdered her kids. Like, why is it somebody else's fault? Why is it the health care system? Why is it her doctor's? Why is it the woman who put her hands around her children's tiny necks and strangled them and took six minutes each and she shoved their faces into the floor of her home when she did it? And there were others that testified to psychologists and psychiatrists that said while she was prescribed those medications, she did not take them. And I say all this because I've got a pretty conservative viewpoint. On the Lindsey Clancy murders, I had postpartum with my second child. And like almost every other mom who has postpartum, I didn't murder my children. It is very difficult. It is very harrowing. But if we're going to give postpartum the get out of jail free card for any mom who murders her kids, then by that same logic, we have to say to any mom who was diagnosed with postpartum that maybe your kids should be taken away. I have been appalled and disgusted and completely grossed out by the shocking interviews of the Lindsey Clancy. Pink mob going on TV and saying they, too, would harm their kids. I think this is crazy what's going on. I can't make sense of it. The supporters, basically, these women are fawning over Lindsey Clancy's attorney, figuratively giving him fellatio every time he walks into the courtroom and, you know, just fawning over a woman who murdered her kids. And there's very little sympathy. And this mom blamed her husband, the man that walked home, came into the house to see and witness. Three of his children dead. I just, to me, this thing is crazy. There's going to be a hung jury. A jury is supposed to be impartial. And you saw two or three of the female jurists walk in yesterday with pink shirts on. I guess in solidarity with Lindsey Clancy. To me, this is crazy talk. And at some point, we have to get back to what are our values. Do we value life? Do we value or do we value murderers? To me, I can't make sense of it. And I think that the support is absolute insanity. Like, where was the support when Irena Zaruthska got murdered or when we had women that were murdered by illegal aliens or raped by them? Where was the sympathy in that? It just didn't exist with these, quote, feminists. Yeah, I mean, Annika Sperry, I think it's a complex case. I don't think it's a straightforward, easy thing to assess. But I, rather like with Luigi Mangione, after he, you know, killed the, murdered the health care boss, something about the hero worship of people that, you know, do despicable things. So whatever your argument about Lindsey Clancy, it was a despicable act to murder her three young children. That should be inarguable. The hero worship in modern society, fueled by social media, I think, of people that do these things. I find that regardless of the merits of the individual case or the trials or whatever, that aspect of it is incredibly distasteful, isn't it? Well, we have a problem in our culture. And I think that culture is a symptom of the, you know, fish rotting. When you have a government that consistently justifies the mass slaughter of children abroad, as Congresswoman Nancy Mace just did, well, then that communicates to the American people that, hey, maybe the lives of children don't matter all that much. Maybe you can find a convenient excuse to justify killing them. I actually happen to agree with Nancy Mace on the issue of Clancy. I don't think that we are going down a good road when we start making justifications. For, you know, health issues or hormone imbalances leading to the killing, the brutal, vicious killing of three innocent little kids. And I see the same type of commentary kind of playing out when it comes to our foreign policy. And I find it all disgusting. In the case of Clancy, though, if we're going to start making justifications due to things like postpartum depression, which is serious, it isn't something that people should take lightly. However, as the Congresswoman said, it is true that many women suffer from postpartum depression and they don't carry out these violent acts, including murder. I think that, you know, if we start making these types of justifications, what does it mean when it comes to young men who might have, let's say, unusually high testosterone levels? Are we going to start justifying them going out and harming women, beating women, potentially sexually assaulting women? Well, he has high testosterone. You know, we did a levels test and we saw that it was high. So what could he do? He couldn't control himself. I just think that we need to be careful in the way that we talk about these issues, because literally we're discussing children's lives. And I look, I don't know how the jury is going to rule on this. But so far, it seems like it could, you know, it could be a hung jury in the end. We'll see. I don't know. Yeah. And if it is, there'll be another trial. Carrie Prejean-Boller. I mean, you know, I think this is something a lot of women I've spoken to have violently different views about this. A lot of their views can be driven by, by religion, by the kind of lives, backgrounds they come from and so on. What do you make of this? I mean, I think it's probably too heartless to just say, well, she's just a cold-bellied killer and should be judged accordingly. And I think it's too generous to say, well, there's all these excuses and that's why we shouldn't punish her. Right. To me, this, I personally sit somewhere in the middle. You know, I would, I would not be unhappy if I saw a verdict of, of sort of manslaughter based on diminished responsibility, but there'll be lots of people that hear me say that who go, don't be ridiculous. She murdered these children. What do you think? Yeah. I think if, if Lindsay Clancy was in an altered state of mind, if she was experiencing a postpartum psychosis, then, you know, culpability is at play here. And I think that it's so interesting how conservative women have just completely are supporting now the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, Lindsay Clancy was suffering. She was suffering tremendously. And now all of a sudden we're just in support of the pharmaceutical industry. There, there is serious questions here. There is serious questions. No one's in support of the pharmaceutical industry. She was missing seven Zoloft pills out of her prescription. She wasn't taking the medicine according to the experts. No one is supporting big pharma. I'm the last one to support big pharma. Okay. How much, how much of the case have you actually been following up on Nancy? How much of the, how much of the trial have you been actually watching? I watch what I can and read what I can, when I can. You had people testify and there were media reports that she wasn't taking all the medication. So I think that has to be balanced in the conversation. And why blame a pill? There are millions of women that have. I'm not blaming the pill. If you stop talking and let me, and let me talk, if you stop talking and let me talk, I'll, I'll be able to finish what I was trying to say. What I'm trying to say is that I believe that she was experiencing a complete postpartum psychosis. I know women who have. Experienced actual tearing during childbirth, that that causes extreme psychosis in women. And so we have to be having these conversations. Is it an excuse for her to kill her children? Absolutely not. The act of, of killing those children was evil. But all I'm saying is that we have to have a broader discussion about drugs in this country and what these drugs are causing people to do. Period. Well, remember, remember, I mean, I would say, let me just say that I think I read recently that 80%. Yeah. Of the world's painkillers are consumed by Americans. If that's that doesn't worry people in America, it should. I do think America, America is so easily accessible. America is by far the most heavily medicated country in the world. And I say that as somebody who loves America and loves Americans, I would be really concerned if those stats applied in my country. Just to your point, just real quick comment on that. I didn't know that stat. So thank you for sharing that with us. But we have to ask ourselves, why is it that so many Americans? Why is it that so many Americans are in such a terrible place in their lives that they feel that they need to turn to these medications? Well, I would say, I would say to that, I don't think it's Americans are in any worse place than people in the UK. It's just you get handed out drugs like confetti. I mean, that's the problem. It is, it is part of the culture, I think, in America, where the first answer to everything is a lot of medication. And I think that's the problem. And you end up with a lot, you know, I felt this way, for example, about mass shooters in America, who often tend to be. Young disenfranchised young men sitting in their mum's basement, you know, playing violent video games all day. But they invariably are pretty heavily medicated, it turns out. Right. And I just think that heavy medication, particularly of more youthful minds in particular, can be extremely damaging. We've got to end it. I want to ask Nancy very quickly before we end. A lot of people very concerned about you and your mental state because of the tattoo images you put out. And a cry for help, a strident move for womanhood, a slip down into rock chick superstardom. Where were you going with this, Nancy? No, it's just I happen to be trolling people that had, I guess, a very visceral reaction to seeing a woman with tattoos. And I have made no, I've not hidden behind the trauma that I've been through over the last couple of years. And one of the ways that I have dealt with that trauma, like a lot of other women, is by artwork. Is by the tattooing. It's something that got me through some tough times. I love my ink. And I don't, and I kind of love trolling people that, the same people that were, you know, defending Pete Hegseth and his tattoos were then attacking me. And some of the folks that were attacking me have their own tattoos. To me, this has been around for thousands of years. I love it. Half the country, I think, is tattooed. Who really cares? And I'm getting ready to leave Congress so I can go sleeveless if I want. I cover up when I'm in my government job. But it's been a very long time. It's been a very liberating experience for me, getting them and showing them off. And there'll be more. And I'll tell you, Pierce, I've got more than nine. Really? No one really cares. No one cares. Well, I broke the internet. Actually, I care. That's not completely true. I'm actually quite interested in Nancy's nine tattoos. Yeah, how about you start criticizing the Israeli government and their genocide in Gaza, not talking about your stupid tattoos. Okay. Well, I'm going to criticize genocide everywhere, especially the killing of Christians. On that moment. On that moment. Of panel solidarity, I'm going to bring things to a close. Thank you all very much indeed. Pierce Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Pierce Morgan Uncensored on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. And in return, we will continue our mission to inform, irritate, and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical. And we couldn't do it. Without you. Dave Portnoy here. Football is here, and so is DraftKings. The DraftKings Sports app is now live in all 50 states. From Texas to California to Florida. 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