It's All Signed (with Stewart Lee)

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Also because we're going out on a bi-election day, we are beholden to Broadcasting Rules, which we will go into later on, which means we won't be talking about the candidates or the parties or the issues that affect the outcome. Which is fine because thankfully there is a big, beautiful deal to look at on the international stage, which we'll dig into. First of all, I've just finished doing a season of Taskmaster. I say that as if it happened last week. It didn't happen last September. What? But I know. Television is all a lot. Is it, they're not in trouble for that? Because it gives the impression it's going out in real time. I know. I know. So this must not get out. OK. And I thought I'd done OK. I mean, I did, you know, points wise, I did all right. I thought I'd left with my dignity intact, but I was saying a message on social media. By someone who said they didn't really know who I was before it, and fully expecting me to be surly and annoyed, and not the Ghibli Grand Power. He really is. The Ghibli Studio Ghibli. I know, but you are exactly like a studio Ghibli Grand Power. Oh, thank you. So I should, I didn't know whether that was a good thing. The Grand Power, I'm a little bit, you know, yeah, I'm sick to tell. I'm not a Grand Power. Could be. I could be any time I want, you know, I've got that power. But do you believe he's a good thing, really? It's a good thing. It's a, it's the height of a Japanese cartoon art form. The Grand Power's in the Ghibli films tend to be really nice. I think for young, it's probably a young person saying that about it. I think so. I think so. That said, you know, the sooner the social media ban comes, the better. Yeah, well, they need to be, the main problem I think is not under 16s, but the over 60s need to be kept off social media as well. Because they're spreading a lot of false information and getting really well. I recently did some little clips for social media for an East London record shop cross promotion where you go in all the second hand shops and whatever. And the first things I've seen that my daughter's seen, because they proper up on Instagram and things like that. And she said, Dad, they're really amazing. You're like an influencer. That's what you mean. And she goes, well, you say things like, come on, let's go and have a look in here. And I go, yeah, but that's just, I've been presenting things for radio and for like four nearly 40 years. That's just presenting stuff. But they kind of, they don't really know what that is. They think that everything is like, so I'm an influencer. So did they now have blue Peter influencers instead of presenters? Yeah, maybe that's what everything's called an influencer. You're probably an influencer and you don't even know. I know. I know. Give me grandpas. Pretty good. Yeah, you've come across a phrase somebody describing you. You thought, oh, I might have squashed out, but Finnie, I quite like that. But often I remember when I was in the double act with Richard Herring, we had a review ugly young men presenting drivel, which I kind of liked. If you're a poster, well, yeah, if I was thinking that now, that would be a title for what's funny is sometimes when a critic thinks, ah, nailed him. Yeah. And actually, they've, they've just described exactly what you were trying to do. He comes across as a supercilious, self-involved, woke, left, winger for whom being right is more important than the truth. We, yeah, that's kind of that's your kind of this character. Yeah. You know, what was it? So was it ugly? Was it ugly young men presenting drivel? Yeah. I mean, that's that's waiting for Goddo as well. Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. I was one. Would you do anything like Taskmaster? Would you be a traitor? Well, I think I'd be good on traitors, right? But I think it boosts you up to a whole level of recognition. I mean, you're talking about people that don't know who you are. And now, please, they say you're a gibberish grandpa. I find it very difficult being stopped and spoken to by strangers all the time, even though they usually say delightful things. It's just, it's sort of quite traumatic to be interrupted every 30 minutes when you're looking at a painting or trying to read. You have to kind of recalibrate yourself. And they're always, people are always really nice, but I wouldn't want to be, I've judged it brilliantly that I'm just about famous enough to make a living at a level that I like. But any more, I think I would go crazy. Right. And then Taskmaster does seem to. I mean, it introduces people to comics who. Yeah. I mean, what it's done really well is I think probably the two main guys that they lobby for people who are valuable talents to get on it. Yeah. And you get someone like Mike Wozniak, who's current touring show, The Bench is superb. And he's able to reach an audience he wouldn't have reached with, you know, so it's, and they often people that aren't like a panel show fodder, they're slightly more working talents. Yeah, and I'm expecting a real career kick from it. I think, you know, this time, actually, I might be doing the PM programme. Well, or at the very least, you could get on the, on the thing where you rent someone that looks like a Ghibli granddad for a kid's birthday party and they form a Japanese folk song. That's right. I just pop out of a cake. Yeah. I give Virgin Island a go. Would you? Well, one is, it sounds a bit dodgy to me. It's Sam, you're a virgin. Channel 4 tries to coax you to lose your virginity. I think is that right? Oh, my God. You're joking. I think I might have misread television now. Yeah, that is television now. Wow, thank God I never watch it. No, no, no, nobody watches television. People watch YouTube. I know an Instagram. And I'm an influencer now. And you're an influencer. Right, that's covered that. So we have this terrific deal. Yeah, actually, it's proper title is a memorandum of understanding. I love that phrase. And it's the sort of phrase that you really get your teeth into on this programme. The memorandum of understanding between America and Iran. That phrase is designed to create the maximum distance, isn't it? Between the declaration that something might happen and the possibility of it not happening. Yeah. Or we've got, we haven't got a deal. We've got a memorandum of understanding. It's not clear what's understood. It's not clear what form the memorandum takes. Well, yeah, it's not binding. It's a memorandum of understanding. And just to show you how foxy the understanding is, JD Vance was quoted as saying, "I think it's a big moment for the United States. Thanks, of course, to the President's leadership and the hard work of the entire team. Whereas Iran was quoted as saying, "The humiliated enemies have no option to accept defeat and surrender." To me. That's a memorandum of misunderstanding. So there's room for ambiguity in all that? Yeah, but that's what that phrase is allowed to create. It's both understanding it differently. Oh, yeah. The Iran thing is another hilarious pronouncement from the horrible Islamophascist state, you know. Where, I mean, a friend of mine, James Brown, actually, the editor of Loaded magazine was a former editor of Loaded magazine, was saying he's convinced that Iran have got loads of short-ditch hipsters working on their comms department because they come up with absolutely perfectly judged, like, trolling. Yes, but really, really funny thing to say, which is not to endorse the values of the regime by the way. The only reason we're mentioning Iran thing is because of the rules under a dialect, we have to kind of mention all the whole region. Are they standing in Macfield, then, the Iranians? That doesn't matter, okay, right? It's a bit like, when you look on an old pound note, and it says, "I undertake to pay the bearer," there's kind of huge. This is saying this bit of paper, the pound note, is a symbol of the fact that this money sort of exists and could be converted into goods at some stage. At some stage. And it's kind of what this is. This is saying we sort of might do something. Yeah, it gets sold because he's all about the art of the deal. It's sold as if another victory has been made. Absolutely, I don't know. Obviously, if you look at the pound on any kind of bank note now, it also says underneath it, "Have you thought about crypto?" Because that's even reala. That's absolutely more secure. The value of your crypto may go up as well as down. Yeah, the value of you're feeling musk and all that lot will go up. Yeah, well yours goes down. You know, Trump didn't write the art of the deal. We know that he was going for it. Yes, I know. Do you think he's read it? If it's such a good book, why isn't he better at doing the deal? Yeah, let's look at it. Yeah, I think he hasn't read it. I think he's only read, if not written, the reviews of it says it's the best book on whatever. Because I saw a great interview with Katie Price when he was a god blesser, where she said the model, where she said, "When they write my books for me, she didn't have a problem with it. She had to go to her, it was just part of the brand, and there was a refreshing honesty about it." Oh yeah, because that's what people assume. Yeah, because lots of celebrities pretend to have written things that they haven't. But Trump's in this odd position, isn't he? Where he has to act like he's the master of the art of the deal. And I said, "It doesn't seem like he's taken on his own lessons, or he would be better actually." I know. Let's look at the phrase that we're using for this week's episode. Trump arriving at the G7 in France, said to Macron, "I'm very happy to say it's signed. The deal is all signed." Now, I want to look at all those words, because as with most things, every word Trump says, has to equal but opposite meanings, because he says, "It's signed." you've just said, no, it's happening on Friday, I think, somewhere, Geneva, somewhere, I don't remember. So it's not signed. It's not signed. It's not signed. The deal, as in, the deal is all signed. The deal, as you said, it's not a deal, it's a memorandum of understanding, which I think is about agreeing to stop fighting for at least 60 days while they work everything else out. I think JD Vance, of course, is saying, it's about a page and a half and a very general document. On a number of issues, we're going to have to figure this stuff out during the technical negotiation phase. But the technical negotiation phase is, will you destroy any of our country? Will you stop all chipping an oil getting out of it? Those are not technical issues. Those were the subject for the conflict in the first place. Yeah. Vance is weird, isn't he? Because even though he's a Christian nationalist and he's decided that he's a Trump loyalist, clever enough, he's not like, he's clever enough to know when it stinks, right? And he can't quite bring himself to endorse this absolute nonsense, he has to put a little bit of history in it. Yeah, yeah. I kind of think Trump's a bit like a guy on the forecourt of a used car place where he's always upselling. He's always given you the impression that the deal has to be closed now. Yes. And I got in trouble with this recently. I went into the pets at home superstore without my hearing aids in and accidentally without realizing left, having agreed to pay 175 pounds every three months for a large amount of pet food discounted at 25%, which was the noise charged directly to my account. Now, I didn't know I'd done this, but they gave me, the man gave me this sense of urgency that I had to commit to this deal now, to save 25%. They have refunded me. Okay. It's very much like what happens on the, they've refunded me, by the way, I'm not criticizing pets at home. They did, they've been very reasonable on it, but it was that kind of thing where the sort of urgency of, you have to do this now, this offer will only last for a while. Well, it's the kind of thing, you know, would you buy a used car from this guy? And that guy wants you to buy the used car now, so you can just take it off the forecourt because it is a pile of junk. Well, he wants this off the forecourt because it's really damaging, he wants it off the forecourt at any cost, even to the point where they're essentially paying reparations to. There is talk of something like 300 billion pound, although Trump has now said that is fake news and something being cooked up by the Dumbler Crats. The Dumbler Crats? The Dumbler Crats. It's very clever because it's both Democrats and dumb. You see what's happening? Yep. Yep. So the question is, what languages are you going to use to disguise the fact that he's basically having to get a deal to sort out a massive mess he made that leaves everyone worse off than they were three months ago anyway. Yeah. I mean, it's a bit like, I remember in 1994, I was doing a gig at a further education establishment in Cheltenham on a bill with Richard Herring and Peter Baynam, and I was suffering quite badly from all sorts of colliders at the time, and actually pooed my pants in the car on the way. And then when I was in the Cheltenham further education place, I got undressed in a toilet cubicle. I had to get rid of the pants, I had not to do with them. And there was no bin. I put them in the system of the toilet, right, and put the lid on it. Okay. Reverse called father thing. But I didn't come out and talk about this as if it was a huge victory. I realized that it was a mess that I'd made that I had to deal with. Well, you're playing the long game, you're talking about it now. I'm still not, I'm still not, I'm not proud of it in the way that Trump appears to be proud of having had to just clear up the mess that he made. It's not, it's not, it's the, I'm not trying to trivialize the war by saying it's the same as me, and the mess, the mess that Cheltenham made around has not been concealed in any way, shape of form. No, it's not in the system. No, no. So what is that? What does Trump think a deal is then? What is his art of negotiation? Because I think Hugo Rifkin was on, was it last weekend? He talked about Trump being surprised that the other side don't agree with him on every aspect of what Trump wants. Yeah. You know, that deal is some sort of meeting in the middle somewhere. Yeah. And he's consistently surprised, you know, Trump's idea of a deal is you agree to everything I say. Yeah. I think he thinks, I think he thinks a deal is talking about a deal. It's, I think it's something that's in perpetual motion and at the moment, it's fixed. It's obviously not going to work. So the deal is better unrealized and, and talked of as if it's in a, in a perpetual state of, of becoming. Yes. It's that sort of quantum state of, of it could, you know, Iran collapses it one way. Into one meaning. Yeah. Absolute surrender for the enemy. Yeah. And Trump collapses it into the other meaning, which is a total triumph. Let's move on. I mean, there've been some great deals in history like that that have worked, like the Good Friday agreement, which allowed both sides to think contradictory things and until Brexit messed it up was absolutely a fine and functioning thing. Yeah. But that's not this deal. That's not this deal. No. So when Trump is doing a deal, does he sit down with, you know, a company, say, and they discuss terms and then have we throw it, he just takes out a hammer and starts heating them. And then that company starts ticking out hammers and, and trying to hit him. And in the end, they sign a piece of paper saying, we've agreed not to hit each other with hammers. Yeah. And he presents that as a deal. Yeah. Well, he presents everything as a deal. He presents everything as a deal. Yeah. And I mean, it's a cliche to say it's transactional. But I think that's the only way he can think of things. And to be honest, to talk about this in business terms, like it's a deal, it's pretty disgusting, given that thousands of people have died in the immediate vicinity of the war and that the knock on effects economically, of course, loads of people to die as well. Yeah. You know, it's really, really tasteless. Well, obviously, taste and Trump are not too much. Now, well, there is an upside because the senior White House official was quoted as saying one of the really cool things and interesting things about this entire process is that we actually have a direct relationship with a number of people at the highest levels of the Iranian government. That's one of the cool things that they've blown everything to bits. I mean, they could have talked to those people anyway and they already were under Obama. Yes. I mean, it's a bit like, you know, you have that situation at school, don't you wear some, when you're a little kid, where some boy is consistently horrible to a girl because it's the only way he knows if I get their attention because we weren't trained in the 70s in the 90s, how do you accept women? Yeah, I know. Yeah, like that. If I blow the whole place to bits, maybe they'll notice me and talk to me. I don't know. I must my Khalid. In this episode, we give you everything there is to know about Katzai. Search for the global story at BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. While all this was going on, there was a cage fight competition going on outside the White House. Yeah. I haven't been able to verify this, so this is not accurate journalism, I'm saying. But there was a rumor that the deal was actually being affected by the wrestling, the cage fighting. Because he didn't want the deal to be announced at the same time as he wanted half the American population to be watching cage fighting live from the White House. Yes. He didn't want to be in the position of the deal to take focus away from cage fighting. So he didn't want to outline the terms of the deal. What would be the equivalent here would be Keir Starmer worrying about bad news breaking about some arrangement he'd got with the ambulance drivers union whilst hosting cock fighting on the lawn of the cracker and a 10-downing street or something. I don't know. I can think of other parties to be into cock fighting. Starmer would probably want kids playing football in the street. Yeah. I mean, outside number 10. It was Zip Up Top. Zip Up Top. Zip Up Top. You know, something to jump us for golf or stuff, can I start? Yeah, can I start? Do you think it's, I mean, Vance, one of the things Vance said about culture that was really interesting. He said, I mean, you can find this quote, but I've got it at hand. He didn't think anyone really liked opera or classical music. He said, people liked it or affected to like it because it was a growth of social standing and was an access, a way of access to the higher edulence of society. Yeah. Against the Kennedy Center and things like that. Do you think that on some level, the putting cage fighting on the White House lawn is a deliberate attempt to do something that the right-thinking folk would think is tasteless and crass? Yeah. In a way, it's deliberately away. Oh, yeah. I think a lot of that is a kind of, sort of an enjoyment, a glee in upsetting the people that they don't like. Yeah. It's their version of, I mean, very general here, but I think this is true. It's their version of comedy. Yeah. It's the very suspicious about comedy because comedy is about targeting people and making fun of them. Well, I've seen it as an understanding, whereas annoying people, provocatively and deliberately, with glee, is there a version of it, I think, is there a form of entertainment? So, yeah, Trump's form of entertainment is not actually the cage fighting. It's the fact that the cage fighting is happening outside the White House. Yeah. That's what he loves. He's not down and batched about. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what the rules of cage fighting are. No. Does somebody just sign a piece of paper at the end and then bouts over, or how do they know who's won and who hasn't? Do both fighters go away thinking they've won? I don't know. It works. That's fine. I mean, it was one of those things, wasn't it? Yeah. 20 years ago, it was basically underground sport. Yeah. Yeah. Now, it was on the White House law. Yeah. I also think that putting the cage fighting on the White House law and it's one of those sort of strategy things. It's basically a bear trap for snobs, right? So if a Democrat who's been to good universities seem to complain about it, then it becomes a class thing, doesn't it? It's like you're running down this entertainment at the majority of ordinary decent Americans, like it's kind of deliberately put there to make them walk into it. I've got an image in my head of, you know, bear baiting, which is a snob baiting. So what they do is the cage fight is there to lure snobbs who are going to protest about it. They grab the snobbs, put them in chains, put them in the cage, starve them so they're really hungry. And then you have two snobbs fighting each other, you know, real full on, real, you know, and you bet on it. That's a good idea. I mean, it's not inconceivable that that could happen down the line. Yeah, it seems logical. Okay, but we'll look out for that. We have been talking about impartiality and what we can and cannot say this week because of the biomection, which brings me to Michael Grayd, who has just finished his four years as chair of off-com. And he did various interviews in which he talked specifically about GB news. And I'm going to have to call various sentences from his speech. He said, first of all, what people don't like is the idea that there's any voice or any agenda, news agenda, which is different from the kind of liberal islington consensus, discuss what he might mean by that as well. And then he says he quotes from a report by Tony Sewell on racial disparity in which Sewell said that if you want proper integration, then you have to give the white majority a voice in that debate. And Grayd said, I hung on to that and I thought that is brilliant. Of course, it's right. This is all seems to be matter of very subjective opinion. Is he implying that GB news is a white majority network? Is that where he's implying? Well, it's not the voice of all white people. Exactly. Yeah. In the same way as there isn't a voice for all black people. No. Yeah. Yeah. And then he talked about, for example, the language which I've just quoted, you know, the fact there's a television station giving voice to a strong body of opinion in this country, which has been ignored for years. So he's justifying it at the basis of the opinion that it puts out. But then that means it's not a news program or a news channel. It's not a news network. Even Andrew Neil. Yeah. Even Andrew Neil, who has had some difficulty understanding many aspects of popular, of where the media and culture and news is going as seen through it. I've defended that. Andrew Neil on this before as when he's an interviewer, especially on the BBC, he's he's terrific. You know, he's a terrific interviewer. But yeah, he had a kind of terrible time because he was a road at the start. GB news then left. Yeah. Well, he was a pastor. He was used to legitimize it. And he just said he said the off-com needs to grow a backbone and quick regarding letting politicians host TV programs and TV news. And I suppose behind Grey's argument is that there is actually currently there's no off-com rule that prevents a politician presenting or appearing on the TV or radio program as long as they don't actually read the news. But he then went on in his interview to say that the today program could absolutely have a politician presenting it. He said, why not? Which is the opposite? Because the today program is a news program. So I don't quite understand. This is him giving a plurality of views, basically, simultaneously in favour of politicians presenting programs and against that. So a plurality of views means contradicting yourself. Yeah. Well, right. Well, we could all be doing that. We could do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know what it was. He said, because GB news makes different editorial choices necessarily on each news day from the BBC ITN or Sky doesn't make it wrong. So he's saying it's making editorial choices which implies opinion. It's by opinion news. Opinion news. Opinion news. But that's not the job of a network that calls itself news. Yeah. We don't get fiorna brusse opinionating at the end of the news other than, oh, it's been a lot of rain. I hope there's some sunshine on the way. You do. You do kind of get Laura Koonsberg making a funny face sometimes. Well, it suggests that politics lead in a particular direction. Yeah, but that's part of our armoury of how she kind of interrogates a politician. It's not just the questions. It's the stance she's taking. It's the mood. I mean, Michael Reed is saying it's all right for the BBC to have a funny face or smirk. I think he probably does think the BBC has a smirk. When he talks about how other people don't like GB news because it has an agenda which is different from the kind of liberal islington consensus. He keeps talking about the liberal islington. During Brexit, those of us that opposed it were often accused of being part of a liberal islington consensus by people that actually lived in islington in streets which would be beyond the financial reach of even Britain's most consistently critically acclaimed standard comedian. So it's kind of a weird thing where you kind of it's become this mythical area, isn't it? It's like the islington of the mind, which is sort of stands for all these things that it's like walk zero. Yeah, it's the Greenwich. Yeah, the Greenwich mean time of wokeness. But I tell you what did hit home in the second episode of that BBC documentary about Brexit, which I thought was really good because it didn't have commentary. It just pretends these contrasting clips was when Bob Geldorugh who lives in Notting Hill Gate admittedly but he would be part of the islington of the mind when he was at sea on the Thames arguing with ordinary fishermen from the east coast of England that played badly. You know, that boat was Islington on the Thames. That's right. The mythical islington on the Thames. Yeah, and I'm fully aware that just the very fact we are discussing how simplistic the notion of the being an islington literati walk happy centre is itself symptomatic of the islington liberal. You can't escape perpetrated by the BBC. Where do you live? I live outside the M25. Really? That means you're probably eligible for some funding. If you have any comedy projects in development. Oh, yes, that's true, actually, yes, yes, I should set up my own little, I just put up a shed and call it, you know, universal enterprises, ideas, ink, how about bringing more in Mindyback? That was my idea. It's fun when you said that even, even discussing the idea of the idea of the islington thing, you sound like one of those people and that they're always going to beat you on that as the thing. Well, it's exact, you know, thanks to Michael Greed actually feel good about it because it's important that there's a plurality of views. Yeah, actually, I do need to go to Islington soon for a very good reason. A famous Australian drummer staying in my flat managed to slightly flood the bathroom and I need to repaint the ceiling with some pharaoh and ball paint and I have to only place, I know where he can get that is on cross street in Islington. So that's where I overlap with the Islington. Oh, your anecdotes these days seem to be about toilets and systems. What's with the toilet? It was because there was no, there wasn't an extractor fan. You do realize we're not going to have to mention other paint providers. Oh, yeah, all the paint providers because of the local elections and the colors. We've got to go through all the colors now. What to go back to the incident where you subscribed unintentionally to lots of pet food and you said it was because you didn't have your hearing aids on. What was the problem with somebody shouting? No, there was no. You know you've subscribed to lots of pet food and you just didn't, it didn't clean. He was sort of like, you know, when you kind of flustered and you kind of, obviously if you haven't got hearing aids in you have to guess what people are saying and then you can, and then you get it wrong. But actually sometimes that's really good fun. I've got really great ideas from completely miss hearing things. Oh, really? And stuff people shout out in audiences. I mean, there's a whole bit in the last live thing that I shot where someone was shouting out at me the name of the manager of Manchester, one of the Manchester football teams and I just didn't understand it. I thought he was saying pet gladioli. I couldn't understand what it was at all. I got like caught off an air out of it and people were going to know it was great when you're sending lots of know what that was. I just couldn't hear it. They just just went on and on for ages and it became a sort of thing. There's something quite good about leaning into it sometimes, but not if you end up having to pay 175 pounds every three months for loads of cat food. Yeah. I mean, you do have a cat, don't you? I've got three cats, so I get through a lot of cats. But I don't want to I want to get it. I want to get it when I want it. You just don't want to be subjected to it. I want to be subjected to tyranny of cat food purchasing. No. Any more than I do to a tyranny of fascism, which think of that? Is that too biased in the week of the year? No, no, no, no, I couldn't make it great. We could say what the hell we're like actually. When the issue of the deal, because they're going to issue the terms of the deal on, sorry, the memory end of our understanding, the memory of Friday. The memory of the standing moment. And be interesting if I've done the headlines of the vague expressions of ceasefire and promise not to do this and whatever. And it just said, and Iran hereby agrees to supply cat food on a regular basis every fortnight to these countries at this rate. I'd sign up for that. I'd sign up for it and then realize after after too late what I'd done. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Any other business, any word of any and weird words and phrases you've come across over the last few weeks? The thing I spotted and it certainly produced a picked up on as well, is Trump's use of the word herewith. Oh, yes. Which is apparently the first time he's used it. He says that the deal will take effect herewith. Yes. And I think again, he can't say now because it won't happen. So he's having to find another way of giving the impression that something will happen. Because if I were to say to you, if I'm saying something, What makes happening now when do you think it's happening now? Right. But if I say it's happening here with, when do you think that is? Well, that could be, we're never, we're never, we're never with is here. Exactly. We're never with is here. We could be, we're never. So it's a great word for Trump. That's right. Because it gives the impression that, it gives the impression that something is going to happen. Yes. But it doesn't necessarily. But also it sounds official. Yeah. It's like, you know, I hear by declare, and I'm allowed to say that even though there's a bad election because it's not to do any of the party, it's, yeah, I hear by declare or henceforth, I will step back from royal duties, you know, it's that, it's so, it's like, it's almost almost like legal. In order to distance himself from the fact that none of the things he's trying to do will ever work, he's having to adopt, increasing the archaic and medieval phraseology. Whether he wonder whether he'll actually end up a point where he sounds like some Chaucerian character that makes sort of the kind of declarations of town cry, a moment with Trump. Whereof this, on the fourth day of the month of June, wearing the empires and fleets of both the Persians and the Americas, do hereby vouch, whereby each other will distance themselves here to four, by a metric, no smaller than the circumference of this. The Straits of Hormuz, herewith they're here on to refer to as the Straits on this day. What a joy to see you do that in real time, am I, man though, I'm glad your education didn't go waste. It's fantastic. Thanks for listening to Strong Message here. I'll be back next week. 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