Isaac Keys: NFL Player to Power Universe, Love on Set, Chadwick Boseman and more EP 70 | The Crew Has It

- We always miss each other. - Yeah. - We miss each other. - I swear to God, I've probably seen I was like three times in my entire life. - Not really? - Not for real. - But you already-- - We had both together before, right? - The most time was report. - Yeah, yeah. - The most time we ever spent together. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And that was crazy. (upbeat music) - Last ones of the airport buying breakfast, buying breakfast. (upbeat music) - Day one, day one. (upbeat music) - So we were, I was in Miami one time and I was with one of my boys that used to play football. I was done playing football. He was still playing another one. We said KOD, strict club going crazy, right? So this chick, I kind of met this chick. She wasn't even a dancer. She was like, "Hey, we'll come have a drink with me at the table, at my table." All right, it's about a restaurant. I got to go there anyway. So I go there and have a drink. You're gonna have a drink. This dude's in my, "Hey, who was you?" I'm like, I'm not even an industry man. Anyway, so he's like, buddy flexed on me. Like, he probably about five, eight. I'm like, "Why is this kid going crazy?" I'm nothing wrong with that. But for him to flex on me in that situation. That's what it is. You and I flexin' nobody together. - Also, yeah, I don't see you at a club and the first thing I think is, let me pull up a message. - Right. So I mean, where I go to top, we start flexin'. I'm like, "I buddy man, you got it." You know what I mean? Because he got to have something. 'Cause he got to be son of me. - He got something. - He got to be son of me. He got to be son of me. - What was your first thing that you ever did and when did you decide because you played pro football first? - I did. - How did that happen? - Shit man. I went to More House College. I wasn't the cliche route. I wasn't like, you know, got recruited out of high school, got a scholarship, played there for years. And then, you know, he got to the pro combine. None of that was me. I walked on to two different colleges because I was passionate about playing football. Got to end up at HBCU at More House College, which, you know, shout out to More House because it just taught me and raised me as being more mature as a man. Going to that school, but also going through the adversity of it. And being in a football program that wasn't like, no top notch, wasn't the one you see on TV. I had to create the mindset of myself that I had to dominate where I'm at. - Right. - Dominate where I'm at and then they'll come find me. And you know, the NFL wasn't always on the horizon. It wasn't always my thought process. I just wanted to play football. I wanted to walk around with it on my chest because I love the game. And get my education paid for at some point, you know what I mean? So I eventually earned a scholarship, I did that. And then even then, like, I dominate where I was at. But even then, I still was overlooked on like the East West trying bowl, all the senior bowls, even the pioneer bowls. Anything that I was overlooked, didn't get invited pro combine. So I just worked out, continued to work out. And I had a great pro day, all those pro days, but I still didn't get drafted. I didn't get picked up as a free agent. I got picked up a month later and ended up with the Minnesota Vikings. And that started the football part. That was that journey. How was it playing for more house? Because obviously, that's not really like a huge football school. Like, it's not a lot of odds. I was like, how would you stay motivated like, you know what I'm saying? I'm glad you asked that. Yeah, it's like being unfortunate not ghosts. Like, how do you guys stay motivated with that? Wow. You know, man, I think it was a lot of, it had to be, it was more something that's built into me because I knew I wanted more for myself. And once I understood where I was at, I was like, I had to make this the best that I could make it. And we dealt with a lot of things. Like, I mean, of course, we didn't have all the scholarships that we're supposed to have. We, you know, players couldn't play there because academic stuff, you know, like, so we weren't able to recruit guys from junior college to make our team better faster. We had a bunch of transitions with coaches. Shit, I mean, one trying to count the wash machine, bro. We sitting there and training together. Two day practice with no wash machine. We air drying everything. I mean, I clothes are standing up in the corner by itself. At one point, because it's all the sweat. It's called getting out the mud. But that adversity, man, this feels character. It teaches you how to get. It teaches you how to define resources and make something out of no way. And it makes you a better person. You're like, okay, yeah, I know how to deal with that. So as I look at it through life, you know, it's like I use some of those things. You know, sometimes I know how to get that. I know how to make it happen. You know, so it's just like making a wish sound was back in the day. Yeah, yeah. So how many seasons did you play in that NFL for? I played six. I can't see. I know my preseason, too. So you know, I got released. I still count that preseason. So six. So four credit days. It's amazing. You still give big the preseason. Yeah. Your body muscles, man. I count all of them. Yeah. So yeah. Did you play your whole career in Minnesota or different places? No, Minnesota. Minnesota to the train camp at Green Bay. Then Arizona is where I spent most of my time for three years in Arizona. That's why you went back out there. You went back out there, man. You know, yeah. That was about to say, where'd you enjoy the most? Well, obviously you had to be Arizona because now you back. I got a little there. Yeah, Arizona. You know, when I came to lead, you remember a movie in the given Sunday? Yeah. I was like, oh, that's the lead. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'm thinking like, you know, all the departs. And when I first got into it, Minnesota was coming off like a big loss from the year before. And it's like, I didn't feel like I was in the NFL. I'm like, nobody's really taking me on the wing. There's no wild parties. There's no none of that. I thought it was going to be. So I was like, okay, well, I'll figure it out. And then so later on, I'm going to Arizona. I was like, oh, this is a little different. It wasn't even winning. But it was like the environment was different. Like, you know, I didn't know nothing about Arizona. Back then, it was Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley. It was all you knew about back, you know, in the wild in his brown. It was very brown. Yeah. Not a lot of greenery there. So when I was going out there, I didn't know what to expect. But then as I got into it, it's like, man. I mean, Scottsdale Phoenix, all those places are unbelievable. - What's your eyes lit up when you say that, Scottsdale. - I'm the white women in Phoenix. - The white women are top tier in Arizona. - I dabble in all of it, but the white women out there are pretty good. - You're not lying. - Okay, so when do you make the decision to stop playing? Like, was it like, okay, I'm done, I gotta do something else, did someone else make the decision, how did that happen? - I mean, I always say that football stopped playing me. I didn't stop playing football. My heart was still lit, and I was still trying to keep playing, but the phone was ringing. And you know, unfortunately, it's like that part of transition that is related with everybody. When we all had to move from one thing that we loved and passionate about how we moved to the next thing, when we not ready to, you know, so it was a tough transition at that point, you know, we don't talk about it enough, but now we talk about it more with mental health and all those things and what you go through, but all I knew was to keep going, all I knew was to keep on putting one foot in front of the other and keep one foot on the other and try to find out what the next thing, but acting wasn't the first thing. Like, I didn't know. You know, and I didn't, acting wasn't like my, I didn't feel like that was my call at the first. You know, I was like, I started doing personal training 'cause I thought I could, you know, I work out. So, hey, I gotta make some money when I try to do that. And then, you know, whatever, I'm gonna have a degree. I have a degree, but I wasn't going back to school. My degree was a physical therapy. I had to go back to school, do all the type of training. I wasn't, I wasn't doing that. So, you know, it kinda like one of those things where, as I continued to try to do different things, I met some other actors. I always give, I'm just, it was Lance Gross and was Lamar Rucker. I spoke to both of them on the panel. I was on the panel with them. And I was like, wow, the actors, like, the attention they were getting at the time. You know, like, they couldn't walk down the street for a minute because, but it's really the celebration of what they were able to do on camera. It wasn't the fact that I wanted to get attention. It's like, I wanted to be celebrated for all the work that I've been putting in and to football that I wasn't getting celebrated for. But I wanted to be celebrated for the work that I've done through this whole year 'cause I've always been an underdog. So, it's like, I wanted to be celebrated. So, I was like, you know, I wanna do acting. You know, we know how many times we hear that. Hey, I wanna be an actor. What I need to do. - It's so aggravated. - Right, yeah. - It's so funny. He's like, I wanna be, I'm like, I just wanna be, I just wanna be torped on. Really? That was why I got it. (laughing) - Of a real man. But, you know, I, you know, I, and I was that guy. I was like, well, I wanna be an actor, you know, 'cause I didn't understand, you don't understand the process, when you say that. So, when I was like, well, you gotta go to acting classes and do all these different things. I was like, all right, just say less. Like, no, I had to do that. No, I had to work for something. I'm not worried about that. In my transition, I basically started, I just moved to LA. I was, well, when that easy, I was, I still had my house in Phoenix and I was driving back and forth to LA. You know, we all got these, you know, the dog and the dream type of story when you come to LA. So, the dollar and the dream. And so, I came out here with doing the same thing. 'Cause I started completely over, like, football, that was a wrap. It was a conversation of peace. I wasn't walking away with me as a dog and my bank account. I wasn't walking away with, you know, accolades like that. I've just had the experience of playing. I know, a lot of NFL players, they get famous and they're like, oh, I could parlay this into being an actor where it's like, you were just a guy in a roster that was getting, you know, you were probably getting paid well, but like, not well, they'll go, oh, I have 10 years of money of where I could just be an actor. Like, no, you're probably like, I need to make money now. Yeah. And, yeah, that's kind of like insane that you were able to just kind of pivot into that. So, were you, you got into a class or you started getting an agent audition like? No, well, I came out here and, you know, I got into cliche class and I love her. Y'all, you know, her touch of Smiths has the acting class right here. And that was like the class, especially all the black people came to. When they came to LA, they jumped to touch the Smiths class. But it was a good class, very good class. It was intense. And, you know, it basically humbled me, you know, when a guy tells you, hey, that was a great performance, but you're acting sucks. Yeah. And I was like, well, we were talking about a great performance. There was a performance. It wasn't like the deafness wasn't there, the attachment and the correlation to the character. And all that wasn't there. You just performed. And I was like, wow. So, how many people was in that class when you were there? Yeah. It probably was my baby, 30 in that class. And she hardly had about maybe three or four, but I was on the beginner level when I came out there. How intimidating was that? 'Cause I ain't gonna lie. I would be super intimidating. Like, even up to now, bro, in the room with 30 people, and I got, like, people that I don't know, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's new fresh material, I would be panicking, bro. Like, damn, I don't fucking know. It's way worse than set to be honest. Take this in, bro. Well, yeah, 'cause set, you know everybody. You see them every day and day, but like, it's 30 people that I don't know, and like, what the hell are they thinking about? I think that was a intimidating hill. Yeah, because especially when you go to somebody that's already been there for a while. Right. And like, I can be in here with you, and you know, you're pretty much off-book already. I'm like, how's he doing that? Like, how's he doing? Oh, it's a muscle memory in the back. I said, well, where you work on that at? Yeah. You know, I'm in the class, I'm gonna be looking at the paper, reading and looking up, reading and looking up. And they're like, you know, people be more advanced than you, and that could be intimidating to you. So, I just kept showing up. I was like, I mean, because of sports, because of that, you all know, we all play sports. The competitive edge really kind of, it gets you around. Like, you'd be like, okay, let's bring it. Let's go. And that's what I used to them to keep on going back to class. That was the same with me. And I feel like that's how, that's why athletes, I think, succeed in acting when they, really want it, because they have that. They were born with it, they grew up with it. And I feel like I meet a lot of, like, theater kids or kids that went to NYU. And they're just like, you know, and then, they never really do anything, because they don't have that grind in that edge that we have. For sure. I was saying, we, like, I played the NFL. Like that, that NFL professional edge that we have. Now, I thought, and I had to be, that's a sport. You know, like, you played hockey, and the mic was good, and it was good in basketball. Like, when you, anytime you had it. My head for a ball too, growing up. There you go. Yeah. So, you know, when you had that, you, when you able to realize that and transfer it over, we're different. We're different than what I call civilians. People that never play sports. We're different than them, because they don't know how, they'll deal with adversity. I want to take no, they don't know how to lose, and then get back and say, okay, we got to keep going. Or play through injuries, or whatever that may be. We get up, we show up, we go play, and whatever, we can, we put it on the table. Yeah, I'll never forget Petita Miller, came on, who plays rock on Raisin Canaan. Lover, think about her everyday. She, she, she, uh, she had this super funny thing where she said where, um, athletes would ask her, be like, oh, uh, can you, is there any way, like, you could get me on the show? Yeah. And she'd be like, get me on the team. (laughs) Give me a 10 day question. It's like, it's essentially the same thing, right? Like, you're asking to like, this is my work. This is what I've worked my entire life to do. And you just say, oh, get me on the show. What happens to me and Michael, literally, every time we're out. And I assume it happens to you too. And she's like, and get me on the team. And they're like, well, it's like, well, it's the same thing, right? It's a second. That was a great point. It's, yeah, it's something that, um, you know, we, I think Austria take very seriously. So, so you get into a class. Now, now you get representation. Do you start auditioning when, when is that coming? You know how that works. You, you trying to figure out, you know, I remember being Terry Cruz, a Super Bowl with a A Terry. (laughs) No, you play football, I play football, you know? (laughs) You know, I'm, you know, I'm looking for Asia Imagine. And he's like, okay, he, he, he ain't gave me his number. Yeah. But I was so, I look back on this man. I was so ambitious with it. Like, I'm calling the A Terry, you know, like an answering the phone, like shit, answering the phone. But I ain't trying to be, you know, like no side chick, you know, saying in both the phone, but eventually, right? So eventually, he was like, man, you gotta find, you know, don't worry about finding a manager or agent. That doesn't fly when you're trying to get in the game. At all. When they tell you what that, what you mean. That's the only thing I'm worried about right now, bro. Yeah, he's like, no worry, but just do the work, do the work. I'm like, damn, okay, but how am I gonna do the work? So it was like a puzzle. Right. And so, you know, I listened to it, but later on in life, I realized, yes, you just have to submerge yourself around going to acting class, being around other actors, and then you start talking to them, I'm like, who's your agent? Who's your manager? And, you know, and now you realize that you just need to agent managers on the level that you're on. Right. 'Cause you're not gonna go with who's who you want first. Yeah, he's the main person team at William Morris. Yeah, you're not, yeah, you're thinking I'm going there. I'm playing football, I can go there. No, that's not what's happening. So, he taught me something without him probably even knowing he taught me something. Right. And so, therefore, I just started finding agents of managers, you know, I've been through a plethora, and they all kind of knew as you grow, you're probably gonna leave them. Right. But that's how I started, and I just kept on doing different projects, student films, and co-stars, and get into these commercials, playing football players. A lot of my stuff was background work to make ends meet. Right. At times, doing old-spice commercial with Ray Lewis, and all you see is my feet run down the field, and you don't know who it is. That's who it is. And I was running down the fast, too. (laughs) I was the first out. I was running down the slow down, sir. I was like, "It's kickoff." But this is all I know. It's all I know to do, man. That's all I know is that most of them are good cut. Yeah. It is kind of hilarious how, like, a lot of times, like, well, I'll say about the auditioning thing is like, if you get an agent or manager, and you're not ready as an actor, which happened to me because I got an agent very quickly, and I started reading for stuff, and I wasn't where I needed to be as an actor, that office wouldn't call me in anymore. There was a very big casting director that cast a lot of, like, C.W. and all the stuff, I wouldn't say his name. But I bombed an audition for him, and he, like, I don't think he called me in for, like, four or five years. Right. And now, like, I did acting class for seven days a week. I got so good. I was doing live improv, everything I was crushing. And I was on a show, and he still was like, "Yeah, I don't know." And I'm like, like, that's how detrimental it can be if you put the cart before the horse, you know what I mean? It's a very good point. So it's important to, if you are an actor and you want to be in this business, you've got to get good before you start going in the room because they could cut your water off pretty quick. And as you even said in one of your posts, like, you went into an audition and you didn't feel like you did your best. Yeah. It's still happens, because-- It happened to me, like, three weeks ago. Yeah. So I was like, you know, I enjoyed the self-takes because now I can play with it, because I really get it. And going to the office, you had to drive in traffic. Some people really love it. I love the person. Like, see, I'm not in person. I'm like, I sometimes would take every-- my experience to getting there. I ended up taking it to the office. Everybody else is in their running lines real loud. And I'm trying to do my, like, I ain't saying it like that. You know, it's something different. It's too many other distractions. And I always teach you in class to get in that bubble to where you know, you just paying attention what you're doing. But then you see your home and go through, "Hey, what's up, boy?" You know what's happening? You talk about that, and this is like, then you go out of this room and it's like, I don't know, it's like, 'cause when you go on set, you know, you have time to work through it. - Yeah. - When you had all this, you don't always have that time. - But sometimes I enjoy like, like, my teachers have always told me, bring that into the room. If you're stuck in traffic and you're fucking annoyed through the day, bring that into the character. It's gonna bring some depth. You know what I mean? Just come show up as that. And that's why I like the room. 'Cause I'm just like, there's a lot going on and then they redirect you all that stuff. That's what we're talking about, like, business, jargon stuff. But I personally enjoy it. Mike, you said that you like in the room better? - I like, yeah, I personally like in the room, 'cause I think I take direction like pretty well. So yeah, obviously like with self tapes, you know, you have your own kind of, you know, your own freedom to like tailor to what you wanna do. You couldn't have as many takes as you want. But in the rooms like that, I got this one take for myself. And then they'll probably have, give me some notes. And I'm gonna take them notes. I'm gonna incorporate that into the next read. And we're gonna, you know, I'm gonna give them exactly what they want. So I think me personally, I do like the room, 'cause like I said, I like, I'm a good at taking direction. But self tape, it depends on what the role is too. 'Cause like sometimes you get that freedom with the self tape, you can have mad fun with the shit and it comes out super fire. So I don't know, let's just talk about it. I like 'em both. - I agree with you. - It was definitely that pressure. - Yeah, I still agree, 'cause I like direction. But a lot of times, you know, I remember going in the room, you know, pre-COVID, all that. You know, before you get to a certain level of the actor, they're not giving you that type of direction. You're gonna say it, and you're gonna say it. Okay, thank you, have a great day. And then you leave out the room, you like. Oh no, bro, you know what I'm saying? But when you get to start-- - Give me a few times. - I'm like, yeah, all the time, yeah. - Exactly, give me some. - I go in that bag real quick, I'm like, I can do it this way. Then you find yourself in the car, and you're still going through the lines. Like, yeah, no, no, no, you be like, man, I'm like, this is my whole career, bro. - Exactly, it's my time. - But when they get direction, I love it, you know, when you get to a certain level, I feel like you get that. - Yeah, so what was your first TV credit? Was it the first thing you bugged that you're like, I might be able to actually do this thing. - Well, it was like a co-star, well co-star, I did, let's see, the co-stars don't really count to me. - The co-stars count, your first TV credit. - Nah, you got to count those co-stars, bro. Those like the pre-season is, bro. - This is what I meant, man. - The pre-season is, bro. - Yeah, how are you counting pre-season training camp? - This is what I'm saying. They don't count on your record. But what I'm saying is, it counts because of the experience you have. When you said what I feel like I can do this, that meant that something that I actually, because I had more substance. So when I had more substance, it was more or less, when I both get shorty, and I was playing the enforcer for the clean pan. And it was like a reboot of the old get shorter, but a whole 'nother take on it. And Ray Romano and Chris O'Dowell were in it. I had some other great actors in there. We had a great cast, Sean Bridges, great cast. And even though my character didn't say a lot, I was watching everyone else. And I was like, it's like, will you play the sport again? I was taking mental reps. I was like, wow, look how Chris Romano, I mean, look how Chris O'Dowell said that. Look how Ray has his voice, inflicted him with his voice and everything. Like they've been in the game for a minute. So when I saw that, I was like, okay, I can do this. Like, and it felt like, okay, we can do this. And then we doing for three seasons, and then my character wasn't really supposed to go on, but because of the presence, because they seemed more into me, personality, those type of things, or what I was bringing to the show, they kept writing more for the character. And he became more and more involved. - You were referring on that? - Yeah, so that's a great thing. - That's a great thing. - Yeah, it was good story recurring. I was like, well, can I get a season rep? - Yeah. - You start seeing that difference for your money, you be like, damn, you know, but then three seasons, I'm like, I'm finally gonna get it. It was like, yeah, no, we don't have the budget for it. And that's that point of your mind. Your ego's like, well, hell, no, I ain't coming back. - Right. - But I gotta pay rent. I'm gonna pay a card note. I gotta do all these things. Like, I can, I can. - I got rid of that survive. - But I need to go ahead and get this check. And it was a great show, it was a great family. So yeah, that's what I kind of learned. That's like, okay, I can do this. And you know, that money is good when you're working. - Now, how many episodes did that show? Did you do? - It was 30 episodes, so three seasons, yeah. - So then, and then how much after that did force happen? - So that was two minutes and 19, we finished that. So force, we auditioned for force in 2020 of October. So I was just finished with that. We finished all that season and 19. 'Cause I was 19 to get shorty. - Nice. - So, you know, that's what you want as a actor. You like, okay, I'm off my show. I'm going to the next one here, yeah, you know, that's the long journey that you want, man. Because, you know, when it comes to acting, it's the sustainability. What are you doing in between jobs? You know, because not everybody's making again, a lot of money this time. So how are you managing your money? How are you able to sustain until the next job comes? - All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break. We got to put you on as something that we've been obsessed with lately, prize picks. If you love sports and you love making money, this is the place to do it. - Football, basketball, and hockey season are on full effect right now. And there's no better time to jump in. Look, the app is so simple too. All you do is pick more or less on a few play stats. And that's just it. - No full rosters, no salary caps, no headache. 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Do you remember how the whole process went? - Yeah. - 'Cause I remember Chris when he, Chris was like breaking bottles in the hotel screaming. - Yeah, Chris was on one, man. He tells that story very well. Mine was not as as a extravagant as that, but the one thing that one of the scenes was, it was pivotal that I enjoyed, especially at that time. And I wanted to make sure I did it right. It was the scene with the police officer. It was episode two in season one, where the police officer was coming very aggressive to diamond. And he got his hands on his wheels. Like, I'm not taking my hands off this wheel, 'cause I don't know, I'm not gonna be responsible for your actions. And it was like the cops coming real no races and aggressive. And that was, you know, when we did our audition, it was right to George Floyd. So it was like, it was such a pressing issue. It was social injustice. And it was important for me to make sure I got that scene right from that perspective, that character, and even in the audition room. And I mean, audition room, audition room for me was a sub-tap in the garage of the homie. It was like doing it there. But I wanted to make sure I got that right. And then that was to continue to be my same audition. One of the scenes from the same audition for the, you know, for like, you know, all into the test read. So, you know, but, you know, you do that process. I've just seen the show, man. I was like, "Damn, I got chance to be on pop." You know, this sort of show is a comedy. I was going to say, were you familiar with the, with the universe before you, before it came across you? That's, come on, man. I've been watching you since you was a little legit, man. For sure, I was a kid. I was a guy going home to the, to watch parties and everything else, watching y'all, man. So, you know, yeah, of course. I was always familiar with that. And then when I had the opportunity to get audition for, it was like, you know, the auditions that come in, you were like, no, I want this. Or when you read it, and I'm like, that's me. I just need them to see that, it's me. But that's me, like, this finally the character that come in, it's like, it's there, you know, so, I just need them to see that. So, I just kind of, you know, you put it in there and then you throw your hands up in the air. And wait for me. You sound like God's hands now. Mm-hmm. And so, you said in the tape, and how much longer after did they hit you back? And we're like, oh, and you chemistry here with Chris, right? No, I chemistry here with, with Joseph. So, with me and Joseph, the, the, the laptop, the, the zone. It's so crazy. Yeah. That's how they cast that entire show. Yeah, right, it's, it really is. And, you know, it was crazy because I was in a predicament because I was in Arizona at the time from my boy's birthday. And I'm sitting there Friday, Friday with a drinking hand already in his, in his apartment. We can't really get a crack in it. That's the guy that's like, in Scottsdale. I love it. With the line moving around. (laughing) I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm blithin' that. Um, so, so, drinking hand, as I said, drinking hand. And I'm ready, you know, we can turn up for the weekend. We playing eight playing, and then I get a call from my agent saying, hey, you got a test read on Monday. Oh, for power. I'm like, oh, shit. Like the test read? And really, this is my first test read. I had my first time going for a series of regular. My first test read, I've heard the stories. We do, it all taught the body, you know, to get the contract with the money already beforehand but usually it's in the studio. So, I'm like, okay, on Monday, I said, damn, I'm supposed to fly back on Monday. I'm stupid about the good time. (laughing) Of course you are. I'm like, how can I do both of them? So, in the mind, I tell my all the way until we kick, and I'm always to the Sunday. I rescheduled in my flight three times on Sunday. And I was like, what would the character do? I mean, diamond, just got out of jail. Is he gonna wanna have a good time and hang out? Or whatever, so I was like, you know what? Again, like you said, I'm gonna use this. - Right. - I'm gonna use my whole experience. I just rescheduled in my flight. I kept this flight for Monday. And I just woke up. I didn't sleep that whole night though. I mean, not because I was part of it, I had anxiety. Like, I was like, my heart was racing. I was like, bro, 'cause you know how this can change and affect your life as any actor. That's what you're looking for. That series regular role. And people have to understand it. Like, when you feel like, and then you have to inflict this emotion and be this character, when you already have the own personal emotion and the fill is going through, like, you have to use it, but then you also have to just guard some of it too. - Right. - So, yeah, especially the anxiety and the anxiousness. So, and I had all of that, you know, not sleeping at night and I woke up. I was up early and I had my laptop on the Airbnb, opened it up. And here we are. Of course. and I'm immune to get the time. Joseph Cora, the director at the time, and I'm just like, let's go. - Yeah. - And you know, it's the same scene that I've been doing. So it's like, let's just get it and go. And after it was over with, you know, me Joseph exchange, like, you know, just in the first time seeing him, you know, getting a fan of his as well. You know, like, I'm a fan of you, it's like a man's stopper. Like, you're a man's stopper. - Yeah, let me show you something man's stopper, bro. Like, you're like, you know, but I did the audition and I closed the laptop, exhale deeply through my hands and it was like, it's out of my hand. - Did you feel like you got it? - I felt like I did everything I could do to get it. That's what I felt. So I walked away, feeling like I did what I could do. And then, you know, they're supposed to have five days to get back to you. They called me in three and they told me, I got the whole, man, shit, I, I told my whole apartment up there and they're jumping up and going, man, I sweat it from the eyes. (laughing) - It was a little hot, it was a little hot in the morning. - That's something that like, yeah, 100% is worth the cry, man. Come on, it's like first series regular, like 100%. - Oh no, it was, it was like, at that point, you know, your life about the. - But anybody, you still not, you still, 'cause you never done it, you still don't know that. You know, people are saying, and like, I did Jurassic World, my boy was like, "Hey, man, that residual check gonna be crazy." I was like, "Is it?" Like, "Is it?" He's like, "Yeah, man, that's gonna be a billion dollar move." I was like, "Okay, you know, he came in, it was nice, but then taxes hit it, and then it cut it down." - Right. - Yeah, it's like, "I owe money on this fucking jacket." - Exactly, so when I sold, man, taxes. So when I saw what I was making an episode at the time, I was like, "Okay, time's 10, okay, okay, that's good money." - Right. - But I still didn't believe I had a role, because I've seen, it's been in two of me situations where people say, "You have something," and then I was like, "Oh, well, this isn't happening, so now I'm just gonna take it away." So I knew it, but I wasn't gonna believe to the, you know, the ink drive, but even then, it started filming on set, and that's when I was like, "Okay, we in the universe, we here." - I mean, even then, they were, they replaced two series regulars on our show, Season One. - Yeah, it's still, it's saying, yeah. - Yeah, it's saying, yeah. - You have it all the time. - Yeah, sure. - Actually, going back to the audition thing, it probably almost helped that you were in an Airbnb. Because you were in a different, like, sometimes you're in your own space, you're kind of, you were diamond probably getting out of jail, and an Airbnb in a place that you don't know, that stuff really, I think, if you don't see it, it's almost in your bones that it just helps the scene, which I think-- - I agree. - Yeah, it's got, it's got-- - And all the white women. - Yeah, and all the white women. - Is there anyone else got to do that? - I'm getting out of prison, but all the white women. - Now, like Chris Lawton said, there's no white women past APM. APM or 10PM. - For him to date, for me, it's-- - I think weekdays and weekends were very, the time frame, definitely. - Yeah, gee, you could, you could, you could, you could experiment a little bit longer and I was like, you could go, you could probably, fuck around, go to like 12AM, 11PM. - Right, right. - We got to cut it off nine o'clock. - You overnighters and stuff, you know. - Yeah, you can have sleepovers and stuff. - Nah, it's good, treasure's out here. No sleepovers, no sleepovers. - Okay, so, you get to set, and are you like, confident that you're gonna, are you nervous? Like, how are those first days? - It was that first day, like, what was that first day? That's the first day. - That's crazy. - Yeah, I'm glad it was with Chris. - Oh cool, all right. - And it was the scene when we were walking around the corner, he told you how he got robbed by Tommy. And I'm talking about the neighborhood. So, me and Chris, like, you know, it's cold. We not supposed to link up before I do it. Everybody's supposed to be in the apartment, like that. But me and him and I went and rehearsed. I went to his apartment and we rehearsed. 'Cause I was like, bro, we both, you know, we got to get this and so we rehearsed. So, when we came, I do the same. We were confident in the scene. But it was cold as hell out there. And I thought, I was shaking 'cause it was cold. It was cold, but I was shaking 'cause I was nervous for a second. You know, before you get that line, and then it's like all new to you. This is all new. So, it's like that first time aspect. You just like, you know, you don't know the director. They don't know who you are. You just, you know, you just like, I gotta perform. I gotta do this right. Don't mess up, don't mess up. But then, you know, we started going through the understanding the process of it. How you gonna rehearse, you know, coming in and do blocking. Understand like, oh, okay. So, now you start getting more comfortable with it. But that first time, yes, I was nervous. I was, you know, we was, me and Chris, and like I said, it was outside cold as hell trying, you know, trying to act like it wasn't that cold, but we was, you know, so doing like extra acting. But, you know, like again, you use the nerves. You use all those different feelings and emotions and you just put them into the character. And, you know, it was good Chris. We had, you know, great scene and then, from that point on. But the scene that I always speak of, not doing interviews is when, when the episode two, it was a lot of diamond and Tommy. And it was like, we're sitting at Sally and Tommy, you know, he's going through his lines, and he did his eyebrow look like that real quick. And I was like, that's the Tommy eyebrow. - Yeah, that's a Tommy face. - And I'm like, I almost lost character. Like, then I was like, I was like, I'm staying in his, and it's over. I said, oh shit. I said, I'm in for power. I look like, I'm in power. - I'm in power. - I'm in the one moment that hits you, right? You was like, damn, I'm in his vision. - I'm in his vision. You know, like everything I watch, I'm like, I'm in it. I'm like, in it. I'm one of the lead characters in it. Like, you know, so it's like, when I knew that, and just like continue to own it, man. And then the confidence always come. Each season, we get more comfortable into our characters. It's like, you know, it's us now. And you get comfortable, you know, the process, you get more comfortable on set. And you, you know, you started bringing the A game. And I always liked our cast because we always challenge each other. Every scene, we challenge each other because we have dope cast. And you know, you had that, they can squish some things up or a ton, or you go, oh, okay. And you got to be right there with them. You know, so I think that's what made our scenes, you know, so great. And the act of Billy Bigger, you know. - Did you, you guys didn't go out much season one, though, huh? 'Cause it was during the pandemic. - I'm a Christian, I was just about to say, I'm like, oh my god. - I'm wearing Chris, I'm wearing Chris. - I'm wearing Chris. - He's like, Chris, don't care about that, don't worry. - That's his city. Back to when Chris told the story on the podcast, where he didn't go to the Celtics game. You went. - He was like, yeah, he's trying to, he put, he put, they'll be on the bus whenever, too. I said, well, who's the part as you talking about, sir? Yeah. Chris told the story, he's like, I want, Jason Tatum gave tickets to the game, and to you and him, in Boston, and then he said that the producers, he asked, and they said, we feel very adamant that you don't go, and he said when white people start saying, Adamant, I'm not going anywhere, I like my job, but he said that you still went. - Yeah, I did, I went. - Listen man, you gotta use that for yourself. - I said, I said, this is, I'm not off to you gonna go to a championship game. - Right. - He invited me to go to the game by one of the stars. He's from the career, he's from St. Louis, I don't have good friends with his father, and this was the one moment I lit the Chris like, huh? - Yeah. - 'Cause throughout this whole season, we've been going to parties outside, we've been going to his friends house, doing all these different things. - Yeah, this is where he drove away. - Yeah, like you're going to line up the championship game. - Got a championship game, man. - Like we've been going to the club these days, but like yeah, yeah, right. We going to people's house, the risk of catching cold, I'm going to catch them catching the championship game. - But. - That's worth it. - Yeah, so I was, he said he wasn't going, and I said, look at him, and I said, you sure? And he said, yeah, and I said, well, I'm gonna jump on this flight. I'm going this flight real quick, I'm gonna come right back. You know, I'm breathing through the little machine, check the COVID, praping my hands up to the Lord, like we make it, we was clean, so no harm no foul. - That was literally my go and I every week during that time. - But here's the thing, I don't think we missed one thing, but now looking back, I'm like, shit, I wish we did more. - I wish we did more shit. You never regret doing something, you always regret not doing something. - Yeah, not doing shit, not real. - But no, we had such a great time. Like what a time, like meeting everyone and being outside, and it's just like a special thing to be a part of that, I truly loved, like, and I know Michael pretty much feels the same of like just everyone being together. - It's a family, no matter we talk shit about each other's show, we do all this other day, we're just a family, we all are wishing each other well, you know, meaning, whatever we do, you know, we want the longevity. - I am, you know, personally, I am a man that we didn't get a fourth season, 'cause I wanted to re-up that contract, too, but I understand this business, and I understand that we have, you know, I'm really proud of our show. Like, I'm just like I'm proud of all the other shows. I'm proud of our show, and I'm proud of what we were able to do. But you know, again, it's business, you know? So, you know, we leave it on table, and I was on the bigger and better thing. - Yeah, I don't feel any type of way. I'm just like so happy that I get to like, meet everyone and have the experience. - And we still got this relationship. - 100%. - I look at it, 'cause now it's like, okay, the project comes about, hey, Johnny, you ready to do this project? Let's go. - All right. - Michael, I got this role over here. Like, we build our relationships and our network for us to excel our careers. It's not just to be stagnant, you know? It's just, oh, and now we built a whole family throughout this whole universe to be able to keep going. And that's what it's about. Bring your people that you know you can work when you can count on. - Right, and I know Michael and I have been going away from like power talk on the podcast, 'cause we want to expand. We want to do all this stuff. But when we have someone special like you on, I see he's regular on one of the shows. Like, we have to ask some power questions. Like, do you have a favorite scene that you shot on the show? - All the sex scenes, man, the sex scenes were amazing. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing, they're awkward as hell. - Dude, they're horrible. - And they're awkward as hell. - People think they're like dope. They're like, oh, yeah, I'm like dude, it's the worst thing ever. - That's one of my favorite things to enlighten people on. It's how awkward, and then see the face like, yeah, I'm really not doing it. - Yeah. - I'm like, no, it's not going down like that. It is so awkward, bro. Like, I did a whole video on my Instagram showing the little sock that you can try to put on. The whole, the modesty patches that the women have to wear. And it's awkward as hell. - Yeah. - And then you got people watching you, similarly in some shit, like. - Yeah. - It's so weird, bro. - Yeah, it's weird. - And you had a lot of them. Yeah. You had a lot of experience. - Sure, yeah. - And it was crazy, 'cause like, that was like, that was like my introduction to it. Like, I never had no intimate scenes until, until goes and then like, they was just in me with them like this. - It's over. - 'Cause yeah, come here. - Yeah. you had to come to age a little bit to make for it and make sense, you have a kind of like you and Chris how you guys rehearse the scenes beforehand. Michael had a little experience doing that as well so I'm just kidding we got to come back. You know practice makes perfect man. Everyone just makes perfect. You got to get the reps in. I'm not gonna lie like this is like I actually have you ever gotten there was an actor that said I'm sorry if I do I'm sorry if I don't gotten aroused during a sexiness that ever happened you were asking the hard-hitting questions. Michael say honestly with the with the apparatus that I have to put on I really couldn't feel what's going on down there at time and but that day I had a little extra coconut oil on my body and in the scene she happy to be on top and she was moving a lot right yeah and the coconut oil and the apparatus started to kind of meet together and it started kind of it was some slippage you're going on right there and the camera it was way they were shooting because it's all about the camera and it was smoking murder they were shooting down low on the bed and they were coming up and right when they come right around that waistline I'm like I'm calling cut I'm calling cut I'm saying and she's dealing go I'm like I look at this point I'm not responsible for yeah it's gonna be a whole another scene for y'all and everybody but so that was my point then and yeah I mean but a lot of actors I forgot what actor said this because I think I've said this on the podcast before but there's if you're in the scene in the circumstances like if it happens I mean I'm not gonna say you know it was the scene with me and Kiki when we're up with the Wall Street episode I'm not gonna just go out and say that but if I were to say that it would probably be that scene that that happened I think it's a form of flattery it's a form of flattery y'all literally I'm not gonna say the name but she was like y'all right but hey she was like y'all like honestly like if I'm like it wasn't just with no no this is a genuine like genuine conversation she was saying like if I'm having an intimacy like with anybody and like and we're and we're doing the scene for a continuous amount of time and and and the dude doesn't get a little bit excited or something I'm gonna feel like that's piece of shit I'm a feel of you I'm right yeah I'm like you see I'm good I want to make sure everything working according to you and a lot of times they cast beautiful women they do and you have a beautiful and you're making now it's like yeah it's bro we humans man like you say you gotta use the most you know what's so funny is like people are so interested in this stuff and like as an actor it's like oh that's just like one scene that like for some reason this is one of the most asked questions for me be like what sexings like does that happen a lot with you yeah it does not crazy I love to tell them like we talked about it right now like just give them the other side of the real school right you know me and clothes set no that's type of things but you still got cameras all in front you got people in the room everything you know intimacy consultant meetings where you got to go through the whole step by step rehearsal or what you know touch zones you know you know no zones and all those type of things and make sure people comfortable you want to be careful when you want your partner to be comfortable too right but that's kind of new the intimacy coordinator stuff is kind of new that didn't really happen me you have the me to move for the further better I think yes I think they'll basically like call you beforehand they'd like you have a sex scene on Friday let's go through everything you know if it's a new person they'll be like where can you touch working you're not to me I'm like she can touch anywhere pal yeah all right she's got to do whatever she wants right you trying to get him when you can have you ever fall in love with it with a co-star is that ever happened have you ever like like done a intimacy in him and like oh I kind of like this guy's that ever happened I'm not falling in love with you know but sometimes we make it to you the conversation right you know they possibly continue the scene right up the after um that has happened you know so you know and it's funny because sometimes you get those people those same partners in a lady coming she's like nah whatever you want to do I remember even on on on our show and the guy was like we know directors trying to calm me say like you know what you know I think I mean diamond may be on the table that's like I'm like now he can go be on the table he a gangster he gonna be standing up right she said well she did tell the hit it from the back she's like that she's going to clap on her hands like that I was like oh shit am I like what she said okay but she said it you know they're not me but you know those type of thing they come in very ambitious and some people are really comfortable with it some people aren't and that's why it's important to always kind of have that conversation right and Michael how many times does that happen with you I'm not even gonna ask if I'm gonna ask how many times have you um phone how many times oh um you know maybe uh but with courses you know see we don't go crazy like this with a Michael lily episode we're like this is where we get crazy without you know what I'm saying but not like I'm I want to say fell in love as I was saying but some say you know I say sometimes the chemistry is just there bro right chemistry is just there you know I'm saying and it's like you a little bit curious you a little bit curious the phone like you know we were literally at Chris's apartment on Sunday like four or five days ago that was the best night of my trip I'm not even alive that was the most enjoyable night I swear to God and me and Mike were outside partying every night going here going there and this was the night we just played like games at Chris's house like me him Chris Latoya and Chris made some fire as catfish but yeah it was so good bro yeah and we all just we all just chopped it up and those are the best nights for me it's just like the everyone's hanging out we're telling stories stuff that happened on set stuff that happened on the four said that we don't know stuff that happened on the ghost set that like he doesn't know but now the world knows but um it's the time we ain't got to put on you know sometimes when we out we still got to put on we still got no people watching us and I you know I've started learning as I'm you know the career gets you know gets better in the sense is that you know there's a lot more eyes on you and really what you want is to build how those kickbacks where you can be around your friends that know you when you can just hang out and you can talk how you want to if you get a little drunk so I'm like that you you good you know you're in a good place those type of things so it's like it's a good time over Chris out he let everybody come over there too so I'm like Chris you know you came to say oh it's good it's a whatever everybody comes over there it's a good time towards open unlock just go right in everything have a good time yeah so but yeah so obviously I'm not surprised you who are you some of your um yeah he's insane uh who are some of your like inspirations or people that you watch that you love or movies that you love um I mentioned in the given Sunday um because it was just the ensemble and didn't see some professional athletes in it like Terron and so type of things and that and then the guys were playing in the background it was more relatable at the time um but you know uh Christian Michael Bell I've always liked him just on how the depthness and where he would go until the characters um you know he's always a Denzel family always those type of things um Will Smith of course because I like what Will Smith was doing because he played he showed his range from doing everything and I I love I love hitch playing that charismatic like charismatic type of character but then you go to Hancock where he's playing a superhero but it's not the same way you know action hero it's like yeah he kind of sick rolled out exactly and then pursuit of happiness you know so I always like to happen yeah yeah so different range. That's a favorite movie from Will man man come on you're still still sweating from the eyes watching that role so you know those I mean that there's so many more he's just I was forget the names when it comes to situations like this but I teach I look at it like like watching film like watching film of whatever sports you play it's like it's a teacher I even watch my episode come like oh I could have did that or did that to learn from it so I'm always a fan of just you know actors and what they do and what they kind of bring even stand-up comedians anybody did perform the show a speaker I look at how they deliver their message how they get the audience in and how they bring them in with tools they use and how they bring it back to circle you know full circle with the story so I'm always a fan of that I'm always sitting there watching it and I'm just still nervous so yeah I don't understand how actors don't watch themselves like there's a lot of actors like you know I'm like how do you know what you look like I really used to be like that yeah I used to hate watching myself you used to make me cringe so I know yeah I get what you mean it is sometimes a little cringy but like I think it's it's it's instrumental on you got a face you got a face yeah right but it was instilled in me from my first movie though because like um Silvio Machino the first director I well yeah the first director I ever worked on a film um I remember after our first scene I was like can I see it like I want to see like I want to see he's like he's like no he's like no because I love how you I love the way you're acting right now and if you don't like it you end up changing I'm gonna be mad so I always I always I always took that I'm like okay that makes sense because now that is true like imagine like you killing the shit and then everyone thinks you killing it and then you watch you like what the fuck am I doing and you just switch it up and now you now you actually ask you know what I'm saying yeah yeah I got broken from that because it's because of sports you know you go out there in your practice and you like I know I bombed on this play I messed up coach is gonna gonna yell at me gonna chew it up on like and you're going to meet room you like you just wait for it to get that little red marker showed on the screen and then either he shows you the play you like either it is bad as you thought it was or it wasn't as bad as you thought it was either way but you're still in the cringe in the whole time like you know he's gonna see it but that taught me to be able to want to see it to be able to be like the face it the cringe like I need to know because like I said we talked about acting like you going to ruin okay thank you have a great day You don't get the affirmations of like knowing how you did or you know, we did you do well, right? So I always trying to seek that. So that's why I watch tape on myself. Do you have a favorite moment of your NFL career? Uh, favorite moment, my favorite moment probably was even my first preseason game. It was my first preseason game because I stopped the game when it touched down. Um, and I was out there tired. I know what the hell I was doing. And it was one particular, particular play cover two that I could never get right. I could just never find the number three receiver carry up down the line. And this was played to win the game. We playing New Orleans Saints and San Antonio at preseason. And um, they just played, came down to it. I read number three was a tight end, came and ball came, hit me in the back of my head. Like that. Like that. I was turned out here, but I blocked the play and we were in the winning the game. And you don't understand how that training camp. I was getting my ass handed to me by my coach and by the picks I could not get this cover to right because I was like reading. I played D for the ending college. You move me to mic linebacker in the NFL. Like this. Just a whole lot of people play that their whole lives. And then you move me on the highest level of the game that played mic lineback. I'm the quarterback of the defense down there. And so I could never get it right at the time. And but that play like an acting told me, okay, I can do this. We can make this happen. Let's just keep going. Keep showing up. Keep practicing. Just keep going. Yeah. I got to go from the end to to mic lineback. I ain't going to lie. Like bro, it's, it's wow. It's crazy. And you know, the learning curve is, it's so long, but you don't have that much time because they ain't got time to be waiting for you. They couldn't people left and right. You know, so you're trying to just show what you can do in a such a short amount of time. Somebody may get 20 reps. You may get two. You know, like, yeah, you're not really like as a Dean. Your face wasn't like really buried in the playbook as much as you were as as the linebacker. Like you said, you was the quarterback of the defense. It's a different lens. Yeah, it's a different vision. It's like I'm on the line. I got my hand in the dirt. I'm worried about this one side. Mike, I'm worried about the whole field. I'm reading the guard at the center. Always to the running back. It's a whole nother thing. And then they go in the field and they move so much faster. Yeah. You know, if you get that professional love, anything, you see like, oh, wow. Okay, I see why they playing on this love. And that's exactly what I'm doing. Just miss on the fly. Yeah. You got to adjust with them. All right. I didn't even play at that level, but I played last a couple months ago in a in a celebrity NHL game in Aspen. And it's actually insane like how fast the play transitions. Like like you make a great play. It goes and then it goes back. You're like, wait, it's already back here. Like the way that they think and move. It's just so much faster than you would ever expect to imagine. And I played with the best players growing up. Yeah. And the correlation is still similar because it's like your experience makes you move faster. Right. You can be out there faster than that person over there. Right. Faster, like literally faster and move faster. But if you don't know where you're going or you don't know what you're doing, you're going to be slower than they are. Right. And it's just like when we come into it, like we first get into it, you first get acting, you don't know where you're lost. Right. Until you start getting your feet where you start getting into it and the progression and the foundation of building and learning takes you into the point where you're like, I'm all comfortable. Okay. Give me a scene. What we going to do? Yeah. Who's the craziest person you've ever been on the field with or against? That's a good one. That's a great one. The, um, the most athletic person I've seen on point was, was two. Randy Moss, of course. But then at the time, there was a cornerback, Dale Carter, Dale Carter from the hood from Miami. And you look him up. Dale just couldn't stay out of trouble. Dale was probably the best corner I've ever seen. I'm like, that year in Minnesota, he was suspended for a couple of games my first season. So I didn't really know who he was and what that knew. I knew his name from the years before. When he came back from practice, it felt like we were going to or to play off or something. And we weren't. It was just him coming back to practice. He came back to practice. He talked so much trash and practice. And he was telling me, I know the route. I know what's going on. He going right here. Randy around the mouth. Chris Carter run right. He, boom, boom. He running around his form, knocking the ball down and just talking cash. Shit to everybody. I was in the eye. Like, and like seeing this like both. So he was wanting to watch people I know because even we developed a relationship. And I remember, like, hey, Dale, I'm in Miami. What's up? He said, yeah, we can link up. He said, but we probably had to, you know, separate later on because you probably don't I don't need to take you where I'm going later on because he'd be submerged into the hood. He was trying to protect myself. I kind of like that, though. But he was like, I'm the unique, you can't come with me. I'm like, what's your name? I'm from Saint Louis. Nothing. Okay, let me just trust. Let me just trust what he's saying. You know, so like, you know, better than not doing the sense, but those are just two experiences like that, man. But you know, being an NFL, you realize that that athleticism, I've seen word done make a cut so fast from the silent. I was like wrong. You know, how you did that, you know, and I'm in that era where you know, it was still a lot of it was hidden. We were hitting them. Yeah, it was number five power plays. Yeah, it was running like you get your head knocked down. It was a try to take their heads off. Yeah, for sure. Mike all stop big ass back there. The back playing tail back and four back playing for Tempe, Buck and theirs. Those type of guys, you know, but it just it just it took me to another level mentally. You know, me just like, okay, I'm here too. You know, so it's like, I can do this. But you know, the whole time it's just finding find your niche. You trying to find it's like trying to find that role. You trying to find that team. It's going to allow you to really excel. Right. And unfortunately, I never really found that in a sense. It wasn't that wasn't good enough. It's just like you got to find that niche and that time and aspect to where it makes sense. Yeah, a lot of it is, it's crazy. It's also kind of the same thing in acting. It's so funny how the parallels are just so there. It's like, you need to be put into a position to succeed. Yes. And sometimes you could be the best player on the field. You could be the best actor on set. If you're not put in a position to succeed, you won't. Yeah. At least not thin. Right. And I think like, yes, it's a lot of preparation. I got to put myself in the position. But like a lot of times is out of your hands. Like if I just did that one episode of of of of the original power that I did. And they didn't give me the opportunity to come back and do season six and then come back. I wouldn't have gotten put in a position to succeed to be where I am now. It's like, yeah, you got to have the preparation. But like someone's got to someone's got to say yes. And that's the first thing part about it. I know. Sometimes you send it like, all I need a person to say, hey, come on. Right. I got this role for you or just get this and it's like, it does happen. You have to have so many people to say yes. And I need to all these understand that for us, you to see us in these positions. So many people had to say yes for us even to be in this position here. But let alone being to an acting role. Like we go against a thousand people sometimes on audition roll that open open that open ethnicity. I'm like, oh shit. Yeah. Just making a black person. You know, but it's like, you know, so you were grateful for it. You understand what it takes to get there and to do it. And then it's like what you do when you get there. And then you like I said, you may not be in that position to exceed at that moment. But you're learning something from that moment that's going to help you exceed later on. You know, our phrase for actors is what's for us is for us. That's what keeps us saying. Because we really be like, no, it's for me. I want this role. I want it. You tell me, but you had to like, what's for me? It's for me. Thank you. You know, I appreciate that. I feel like when I say that, it's like a little bit of cope, but it's really a fact though. Like it's really the biggest, like, I feel like it's the biggest thing in our industry. Like this literally just like grows that for you. Like if it's not for you, it's just not for you. It's not for you, but you get that role for you. Yeah, you just want it though. You want it because you know what, what you need with this, you got to pay these bills, whether you got to pay for something else, your livelihood, you want it. And you're like, I can do this, but it ain't for you. And you got it. Yeah, you got a kind of cope with it, man. Yeah. Was there anything that you've auditioned for that you're like, God, that was mine. So what was it called? Draft day. Draft day, Kevin Costner, Chadwick Bozeman, who took my role. Great actor. No, it was fun. I'm like, the fact that I'm comparing myself to Chadwick Bozeman at that time frame was crazy. So I remember my manager saying, hey, you know, I, and I feel like I bombed the audition because I went in. I was still green in the S bed, but of course, you know, football and that type of thing was going in for the football player, the same play, Chadwick played. And I feel like I bombed the audition. They call it, I was like, no, we love Isaac, you know, we want to bring, you know, he's in consideration. And she said, okay, you're in consideration. It's like you and Chadwick Bozeman. I said, who? I said, Chadwick Bozeman. I said, are you talking about Jacky Robinson? Jacky Robinson, Chadwick Bozeman just came off Jacky Robbins. I said, well, he just came, you know, I know him that he probably filmed that film a year ago. I'm like, well, he probably just came off today. He probably doesn't want to do this. It's not that big of a role. Please give me. I'm working out in my whole mind. I'm like, I could be on draft day, but I just be cool. Be cool. And they came out here and they're taking the role. And I was like, they know it's so hard break. I mean, but it's hard breaking. But I mean, if I'm going to lose on a roll, I love this Chadwick, Chadwick doing it. Just an amazing actor. But that was like, I feel like it was going to be my big break into a feature film, you know, and that, but it didn't work out. It didn't go out forever. So it's like, you know, moving there we go. That's hilarious. I'm sure you had one like that. Hey, you had a role that you really went in and you was like, damn, I think I talked about this on the first episode back. We did. I mean, now like, I thought it was so much more important at the time than I do now. I'm like, it really doesn't even matter. But like, the role that literally was written for me, I think, was like the happy go more to, but like, it came out. And I was like, all right, like maybe the role wasn't as big as as I fully expected it. But it was like hockey player from the East Coast, like tough guy. I'm like, comedy. I'm like, this is literally me. But that's just like how it goes sometimes. And then you watch, you're like, oh, really? They they didn't play any hockey. And it wasn't really what you thought it was. But that's just like, that's just how it goes sometimes. You're like, you might have been too good for the role. Sometimes they're sure or they couldn't or they had to minimize the role because of who they end up choosing. So it's so many variables to go to it. Yeah, Michael, what's yours because you've been in the game for a long time? I will have to say this role in this movie we made now. 90s I love you that's a fire movie too. Yeah, like those are the type of movies. I love those are my favorite type of movie Yeah, so like and the thing is like it would really bother me about it is cuz I Didn't I didn't fully grasp what the movie was supposed to be when I was reading for it You know what I'm saying? So I feel like if I really would have grasped exactly what it was supposed to be I feel like I would have went about my table way different way So that's the one thing that bothers me about it, but yeah, there's definitely definitely a role in that movie In 90s because I sort of move down like damn this is like my idea like moving like these motherfuckers look like they Has so much fun filming and shit bro. I was just like, you know, I baited like I did so bad But you know like we said was for you's gonna be for you Yeah, sometimes it's the issue with your audition process though is like you don't even you don't know the tone The vibe that this that they're just like do it. You're you got to be the director. You got to be the producer You got to shoot it yourself. You got to like nowadays doing self tapes is like you're everything everything except the writer and Realistically like sometimes I'll change stuff. I have to be the writer. Sometimes yeah a lot of switch up some things because it's just like I ain't saying this like this right Yeah, I'd be caught up trying to get it right and you realize now it's like it's not about getting it right It's just about coming up with the story. Just doing it and going forward Yeah, yeah exactly so it's like yeah, when you start getting into the mode of I got to do this to be writer For them that's when you're just like you're not taking any chances. You're not just so you're in the box You're not yourself. You don't bring your uniqueness out right? Yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah And also this is kind of why we we brought the podcast back because it's like the way that the industry is moving It's like it's not so much more Auditioning and book something. It's like it's now moving into a lot of multimedia It's moving in a lot of like so she meeting like it's so funny. I go to all my my friends houses who do Who do Instagram for a living or reals these guys are living in 10 million dollar houses No word of a lot. I was at my friends house last night. Yeah Five million dollar house the guy does reality TV I'm like and I'm not saying that that's what I want to do But like I'm going to a lot of my friends houses at mw Hannah stocking and like these people are living in 8 9 million dollar houses And I'm like I'm not that I'm an actor and I'm like well, there's just a two-beard room house in L.A. So These houses are But I used to be so hell-bent on like I'm an actor. I don't do social media stuff where my team is like even my team Who's at like Gersh and like very as they have like they they do indie movies and stuff like made 90s and stuff like that? They're like no no no you should be doing everything because that's what's bringing in the money now It's not so much the movies anymore. The studios don't have the budget that they do you want to know what has the budget the brands? They do yeah, and it's crazy because like a lot of people ask me to like over how how like how should I go about trying to get into acting and they I feel like my answer is never what they expect. I'm like bro. Use your social media and just show your personality, bro Like it's not the same as back in the day where you you know I'm saying you got to go into these rooms and you know get into a class meet this person and try to you know I'm saying like now is like you just got to put yourself out there because there's people out there scouting looking at everybody's social media looking at Real clips TikToks and that's how a lot of people get there, you know get their stuff now these and it's weird because you know you had to have a Talent before right had to be able to act you have a talent now. It's like okay, if you got a bunch of clicks and you got a lot of audience Engage me to throw you a bag because we advertise is don't care who's watching it right? They just want to have that so I know I came from the era where Exclusivity, you know mean like it was still like, you know, you were a star because people didn't know a lot of about you and to have the tabboys would get the No stuff about you and you like damn they they found out my story, you know, but now you know you weren't sharing that with them in a sense But now it's like engagement everything's about engagement and who's following you and like that And I was like and it's it was a long time. I didn't want to be on Facebook Twitter. I wouldn't be on none of that shit Because I was like why do I want to tell somebody where I'm at, you know, why don't I tell what I'm doing like I never know I was like I was exclusivity like you don't need to know all that about me and that makes the lure Make sure but that is gone. That's I love this conversation Because it used to be like that. It used to be how little can you be seen? They want to see you on the screen and then you disappear Wait used to tell Brad Pitt not to go out don't get paparazzi because the allure is like this now It's the opposite. It's like how like how many views is your video game. Yeah, like how visible are you can I call TMZ to meet you outside the restaurant You're coming out of like you know like to send it up now, and it's like I mean that started with reality TV Of course, and then just kind of keep on keep on progression from there Right and it's like but it's still like a place because I don't like everybody in my business still to this day Right, so it's like you have to learn to give people what they want or what you willing to give them And you know you had to save a lot for yourself because you don't want people involved in your life that where you have an opinion or On everything. I mean look what happened through two three weeks go with episode with page Yeah, yeah, everyone had their own opinion on what happened, which was incorrect Everyone think pieces all type of crazy. I'm like This is so inaccurate and like I'm scrolling through tick like I'm literally just chilling scrolling through tick tock I'm just seeing my face every two seconds, and it's just the same thing. I'm like yo bro like These people when they think pieces man, it's funny though because it's like a lot of people really be writing this stuff with confidence They really like they know, but everybody I was in love with I was talking about you where a little bit, but I mean Yeah, it is like that's like and I used to get like get caught up Even on some time of the show and it's like I don't I can't go through all those text messages to her because in my real life I hate being misinterpreted right so but let alone you were in terms of turbid character You go there. I'm like I be going. No, I'm not responding to that. They don't deserve to put that also helps your show though, right? You know me so I mean we were going so viral when when ghost was airing like the stuff that we were doing me and Michael would be Outside of the club and there we don't even do anything. They're just filming me and Michael at the club together And it would get five six million views because like bright and freak out the club episode eight about the air Why they're supposed to be on the run even stuff? Yo, even yo, even right now like what like not right now, but what you know in the finale like lead an up to the finale Everybody's like I'm out here. I'm chillin doing whatever they like yo, what you doing? I hate you supposed to be on the way to Chicago Yeah, and I'm supposed to be there right now. Like yeah, they like what you doing you alive Me personally and I want to get into that right at the end of the episode Me personally, I like the way the industry is going because I I love having fun. I like talking about it. I like I like the multimedia of it all. Yeah, I love I was gonna say like I generally look cuz like a lot of people cuz a lot of people be talking shit and I answer Right, I answer a lot and the thing is like people think cuz I got more followers than them When I parent a damn TV screen that you know, I'm saying I I'm not gonna respond to them sometimes You know I'm saying like it bro we both yeah, you're sharing your opinion And I'm gonna just let you know what the real is you know, I'm saying and a lot of people like oh you shouldn't be answering I'm like bro, we all human, bro. I don't give a fuck how many files like I don't give a fuck how long I build TV bro This is certain things you're not gonna say to me without me saying something back to you, bro I'm sorry like it we we just we human, bro, and I love it like you know, I'm saying even down to when people you know Sean love I love answering when people show love to you know, I'm saying so I love the most like you said I love the most I mean I love just being a person bro like fuck all that or my actor. I can't Converse with you. I can't interact with certain things, bro Like showing you humanity. Yeah, sometimes they don't they don't expect you to answer the way Yeah, for sure and that first thing I didn't expect you to answer that alone what you see it. Yeah for sure, right Um, but I do like the way that the industry is going With the multimedia stuff because I feel like me and Mike excel at that kind of With the podcaster with us as a person not just the actor like sometimes if you're just yet Let me just audition for this thing if I don't get it I don't get it and then I'm gonna go back into my I'm like now like I love being outside I love meeting people and doing the podcast and doing stuff like that Mean Mike both have YouTube channels like if you said an actor had a YouTube channel 10 years ago They would laugh at you right now the studios are like well Do you have a YouTube? What's your following like it's like that's what me and Mike excel at we are people love us as people So I think that's why I'm starting to like the way that the industry is that version fine You guys are fine. Yeah, I mean you can't the actor's just not gonna do it right so it's like finding other avenues I think for me, you know, I wrote a book. Oh, yes, so we'll talk about that hopefully and but wrote a book because it was like I need to tell this story like I can interview I can't tell you everything like I make it sound really shallow But it's really so much depth to it and everything so good when is actually a book. Yeah, so yeah So the book is off a pre-sale now on my website either keys.com and we'll put a link to the book in the YouTube description So go pre-order that book. Yeah, so and it's called the grind don't stop. It just changes And it's basically just talking about we all go through yeah the pivoting the transition the time in your life The most important thing that may happen to you in your life that made you feel like I can't live like this anymore Which usually happens more than once something that may happen to your life for a tragedy or something that may happen It was very positive but I just talk about all the pivoting transitions of times where I either wanted something I didn't get it but then I got something else the hardships were making it from NFL to acting all Even having gotten to the NFL but I started off as a kid but adolescence of what my life was like then always To present day and I just break it all down in my stories and I love because as I speak about it and talk about it And go across like nothing I started doing my book tour soon. I started doing that but it's like it's so Engaging because it relates to everybody not just know the black white is registered in the middle age white woman in Indiana Erasmus for everybody from kids. Obviously the dough hood. Did you write it all yourself? Yeah, so what I did was I have a publisher and we did interviews because my pen moved way slower than my brain. - It's just like crayon being like I am NFL play. - I can't do that. Yeah, and for real, and it really feels like that, but I'm like my brain is already gone and I'm like I'm still trying to write and we don't write no more anyways on my hand right, it's terrible. - That's the worst. - Yeah, but it's crazy, but it was came out therapy 'cause it's like especially when you're not working at the moment, you're like okay, you know, and it's felt time, it's like time wise, it's like when am I gonna leave on this earth, what is my legacy, what else can I do besides, you know, no going to acting or anything. I'm not just a football player, there's a conversation about it, but you need to know more about that 'cause I don't know what anybody, especially young kids, anybody know that it was easy process. Like I want you to see the work because right now a lot of people see the glory before the story. - It's all they see because that's all the stuff that makes it to the top on that algorithm. They don't see what we all three of us have gone through in sacrifice and the hours of auditioning and the thousands and thousands of auditions that not only did they not tell us no, they didn't tell us anything. - So they didn't answer. - Right, so yes, it's important that people see the time that we've all gone through. - Exactly, and that's the respect. - It goes down to rappers, bro. Like new rappers nowadays, bro. They're all already rich. They already got bust down chance. They already got $3,000 dollars of cars and watches and chains like, no, like I feel like no rapper has that like development story, that grind story, no more. So it's like everything is there. That's true, too. They don't share it, they just concentrate to the scene. - I know, 'cause if you think about the sound cloud error, like if you think about 50, like 50, did years of mixed tapes, got shot, came back, did more mixed tapes, did scores fucking in the studio. - And then he started, now it's just like, you know, like the Post Malone and no knock on him, but like Post Malone posted White Iverson and then all of a sudden he was viral and then it's like, we got every, you know what I mean? You were talking about, my mind started going up. You were talking about how you and Mike would be out of those type of things. Well, you know, Chris and I like to be out of two and it was like-- - No, I know. - It was after the first season I think we were famed and we came back to LA. So it was 21. - Oh, I know exactly. - So it was, okay, so it's 21. We come back to LA, probably like right around it. Oh, right, damn, it was 4, it was 420. It was 420 and that's how Chris really indulges in that holiday. - Yep. - So I went to meet him at event. I'm getting him back for telling that story and not-- - Please. - Yeah. So I go to meet him at this, both of you just 420 party up in the hills, all right? When I time I get there, I'm with my lady at the time. I got a little bit of my thing with me, you know, we chilling, you know, like we'll meet Chris at this party and it started, it wrapped, it ended. So everybody's coming down the hill. So everybody's trying to get to the car of the car over. So we out there, we talking me and Chris, Chris, Laugh, you know, we talking, you know, Chris being Chris. And we know we talking, he's like, I said, man, I said, you can't be out here. Just willy nilly walking by yourself all the time, like they're like-- - He does that. - All the time. Maybe on any corner, anywhere in the night, we like, nah, I ain't wherever, I got that fire on me. I keep that fire on me. (laughing) And he got his bag, you know, it's really bad. And I said, okay, you got that fire, you know? So we think nothing of it. We wait on the Uber. Air Uber's coming and finally, you comes down the road, right? So we go walk down the Uber. He's mad at the Uber, like we both pick me up right here. He's notorious for jumping on Uber drivers verbally. - Yeah. (laughing) - So we go down the-- We get into this, like, Calais, Stinne, Escalade. I'm in the back in the third row. Okay, so I'm there, Dan, Chris, and then the homie, and then the driver. And he's like rushing or something else. I'm not sure it is, so he's not speaking English. That clear. We drive maybe 300 feet. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Biggest flag. I'm like, what the hell, we can fly it onto the Uber? That's crazy. But what'd you do? You didn't talk to the Uber driver, what'd you do? And he's like, no, no, I don't know what's going on. So we in the car, I'm like, then I thought I said, oh, shit. Chris got that fire on me, he got that fire. So I'm like, okay, so we realize this ain't no normal stop. Like, they on the walkie talkie talking like, hey, turn the engine off. Put the keys outside the car. - Oh, man. - This is the whole different type of stop here, bro. I'm still thinking what he did, you know? But, and then they tell us he got the car one by one. I'm in the third row. I'm like, I got it, I'm like, man, I got the climb over the seat. I'm trying to tell Chris to put the bag back here with me. You know, he's like, no, I don't do that. I don't put it by you, I'm like, don't put it by you, man. So I was like, I'm trying to look out for a little bro. I'm like, trying to make sure we get in, but it ain't really nothing. I can do in this situation. I'm the last person to get out the car, and I get out. And they got you back, you got a back pedal to them. Like, don't turn around. Got your hands in the air. They got guns drawn, everything, I come to find out it's a federal stop of something they call it. So they put it like that. I said, I got a hoodie, yo. I got a pocket in the front. I'm like, I'm trying to make sure they know I ain't reach for shit. My mom's here. So they tried it. Everybody's in, they got my lady in the car, she's in the handcuffed in the back of a car. We just started dating at the time. Like so. I'm trying to, now I'm trying to see what her character's like, okay, she ain't no snitch. Make sure she don't blow the spot up. She's like, they have that fire with the car and the fire, the fire, she didn't say anything. So she's in the car. They try to put me in the car. I couldn't get in the back seat. So they sent me on the car, sent me over there with bro, bro still talking to me, hey, man, well, what y'all pull us over for? What's that? I said, Chris, shut the hell up and just sit down, man, hey, man, I'm just saying, hey, these cars too tight. Can you do somebody's job? Chris. God dang. He does not change for anybody. He doesn't. And then I'm like, bro, like, oh shit, well, if you sit down, we might get a good picture right now. We really about this life. We go, we want everybody to go by and take this picture like, you know, talking about, you don't be in the, you know, socially, I like the tabloid, I like going to blow the show up crazy with it, but we need the picture. But it ended up being, you know, what they ended up finding the gun and you know, but, you know, it turned out all right though, everybody was okay, because we had to go back to filming later on and he, you know, it didn't cause any problems, man. YouTube got arrested on the side of the road, I remember him telling me, yeah, we cuffed up on the sidewalk, man. And he was trying to 420 to know. See the outboard back there. See the out, baby. But honestly, like, better, you better have that shit. That's all I'm saying. I'd rather get cold with it than without it. Yep. You have to protect yourself, man. But, you know, I'm always, because I've been in this game, you know, that life aspect of that. And I look at it's like, that's why you, that's when you get that, that's when you get to have somebody with you. It's okay. You don't, but you can't always have someone with you like, it can always. That's what I'm saying. I, we are have very different eyeballs than Tom Holland. We have very different eyeballs than guys on the CW shows and this and that. So like, you got to have what I found out is that you're having on you, but have it the right way. Yeah. Yeah. And go through the process of getting on because it's like you said, it's going to affect your life because especially even, hate to say it, but even men of color, we don't have to get, can't make the same mistakes. Yeah. We got actors out there that made some of those mistakes like that and they can't get the job no more. Yeah. You know, like that, that make those mistakes and they get second chances and this and that. It's, it's, I mean, I know some mother wasn't it that, you know, a very close circle and it's like, so it's about trying to do it the right way and also keeping the right people around you. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm with Chris. Like, you know, we have a group. Right. So it's like, okay. I'm going to try to keep him on trouble. He'll try to keep me out of trouble because sometimes it's not situated. It's some sort of situation. You can't avoid. So that's where that person comes in and be like, hey, you know, they can diffuse that situation. Right. How you know who you are around and where you at too. Right. Yeah. So try to keep us down. Man, that's three. Um. Just like baby. Little power. All right. Before we get out of here, obviously what the people want to hear, Diamond's dad. Diamond. What was that day? Like, what was that call? Like, you know, I went into the show. We always know that, you know, nobody's safe in power. We always know that. Anybody can die. Nobody's safe in that sense. So I'm always knowing that. I always went to every episode, bring a game, let me try my best to do what I can, bring values to the show, get my fan base up, all that kind of stuff. Maybe they can't let me go come a fan base is strong or whatever it may be. And you know, it came down to where, you know, Diamond and Janore were starting to have this chemistry with fans. I was like, I would love to see a spin off of Diamond and Janore. I would love to see that. And we know we was kind of like, yeah, that'd be a great, you know, spin off, you know, but it's not up to us. And as the show went on and we've got into this, you know, after the strike, we go into the season, finally get to film our season three. And then it was like, you know what, it's going to be the last season. We knew that. When they said that, we was like, oh, nobody's safe like this is, this is, you know, no whole bars. This is the Royal Rumble right now. And we'll see what's happening from there. But I wasn't, you know, I wasn't concerned about it at first, but if it was me, it was me, but of course, when the call did happen, it was weird because I was on the plane. I had went to Phoenix and I was visiting my father at the time. My father was on it, was dying at the time. And I get this call on the plane, hearing him about the Chicago and they say, hey, Isaac, it's, you know, Gary, he's like, well, let me put, you know, we put Kendra on the phone. I'm like, hold on. What we got to bring people onto the phone for, yeah, we talk all the time by ourselves like what we bring somebody else on the phone for. And he's like, hey, you know, we found out in the studios, they're not going to do a dive in the jar and spin off. And it's our last season. And we're going to and then we need a big pop, you need a big pop for, you know, episode nine. And I was like, okay, you know, I'm still not trying to buy it to, okay, you want to spell this out to me. So you're finally going to take your know, Jay, I'm going to be sad about that for sure. Okay, take a little brother out and then it was like, you know, you know, diamonds going to meet us demise. I said damn, I said okay, you know, yeah, well, you know, we know this part of the game and you know, okay Thank you, sir. That's I was reverting back to when I used to get cut some time to anybody Thank you, sir. Appreciate the opportunity. You leave our dish room. Thank you. Appreciate our tune Really, you know, I got the phone. I was like God damn it. It was bullshit And I lean on but but the same time the emotions from my father and motion from this character that you get Invest in it even though it's three seasons. I'm invested in this character, you know, so it's like those some personal Issues and relationships with this character this appointment. So I'm looking at the window sweating from my eyes I'm looking at the window. So I get to try to stay that way because it was like it was emotional on two different fronts And I once I knew it it was funny because he was other people like the crew guys had Like the crew was like damn, you know, we know what's going to happen in episode nine and so that energy was kind of changing So I knew it was up to me to make sure that energy doesn't change to be low Keep higher vibrations. So I'm like, let's make this a glorious death. It's going to be we're going to make this a benefit I'm glad if was part of every area without director because he's directed so many episodes in power universe That he knows how important this is not only to me, but to the universe and to the show And you know, we took it away and Joseph was like on board with it And you know, we knew we knew what it was and we all knew we wanted to make this happen The caveat to that is again, I wasn't letting anybody know that what my father was passing And he ended up passing a few days right before we in the shooting episode And it's like right after my birthday too and it was the point to where you know, I was like thinking like wow how do I How do I go on how do I shoot this Knowing I have this feeling inside of me of you know, who's my father and I was like as you talked about earlier I was like we have to use this emotion if this couldn't be matched up any better In the sense of being able to have that emotion of death of a love one to be able to lose a love one and diamond Who I love because the character and you know the fans. So I use that. I mean we're in a church saying they got the murals on top of the The ceiling, you know and all these the angels and you know and you know our relationship Chris and I relationship is really like brothers as well So for us both knowing that I always say like even seeing him Get tapping to his character more indefinitely was was inspiring as well When he said I got to take a moment let me take my moments before we shoot this scene And he'd go over there and had his headphones on he'd tell you he was listening to his gospel music Which you know Chris ain't listening to gospel music all the time Right, so yeah, yeah, he was taking it in his own I was already like then and there from every day we shot. I was like I'm fighting back to you the stuff of that But I didn't let anybody know really prior to that that my father passed Because I didn't want to change the low vibrations again So I didn't let nobody know until it's like after the fact and you know I just used it man and it was emotional even I'm tell you it was worth more emotional It's watching it on TV. Yeah, we had like a little watch party at the house And I had like family and friends at the house and we watching it and it happened like I got emotional all over again And I shot the shit, you know me like I don't know why I was so deaf you know in depth to me But it was like seeing and didn't see in their brother and like and watching everybody else's reaction in the room Which is like wow like everybody took a pause and then we had to have like a conversation afterwards like You know like a fine sort of conversation about the afterwards man, but you know I just shout out to the cast crew and the writers for just making it such a good scene in the sense You know the bang now. I ain't gonna lie. You went out of the bang man. They go out like no hole Yeah, sometimes when you hear about that you're gonna die you're like well, how's it happening? Show some respect for sure, so they did that man and you know, you know, it is what it is man. Yeah, go to the next thing Well, I love you so much and I'm so glad that we you know got to cross pass and I mean we're we're locked in for like now This is like I always say to Mike. I always say on on this podcast I get the most special thing about this universe is the people that we we meet and come across we come across legends We come across people who were in the NFL like it's just so cool, and I'm just glad that that it got to happen. So Yeah, Chris is gonna be fucking pissed because every episode I we were at his house Three days ago. He's a Gianni. I'm fucking sick of the podcast already. He's like every episode you bring me up and talk shit He's like because he wants he's part of the 9 a.m. Crew 9 a.m. 12 12 p.m. Crew uh he wants he's right when it drops He's like every week. I got to wait for a fucking something about me to damn sure. Sorry Chris Is such a different type of like you got is he thought like bro is so much with Chris bro like Can't not bring about especially when you when you talk into somebody that knows Chris bro Like it's just inevitable. Oh, it's every city though. Every city. You know, I'm a bro Chris Right now look at you man. I know Chris. I know about Chris We love you, but if there's anything else you I mean obviously we got the book coming out We're gonna put that in the link in description. So go pre-order that. There's anything else you want to promote right now Instagram all that. I'm gonna give y'all flowers man. I just appreciate y'all bro. I'm glad y'all doing this about damn time That I got on the show and I appreciate y'all man. I love what y'all doing y'all you're bringing a different light to the to the podcast era And I think it's amazing. So don't keep on rocking them. Keep on watching them. Yeah, man I can't I think you did everything you know hell. Yeah, Michael rainy junior into the gram Tick-tock, you know, oh no, you're wearing twenty-two on tick-tock. Yeah, we're twenty-two on tick-tock But I think you're talking my name is the same shit they'll pull up. Yeah, see how you be pay all though Fit Jim macro fit fitness prize picks all of it. Um, we love you guys. Thank you for tuning in Michael give us one Listen man. The cool has it and you have it as a key's in the building appreciate your big brother That's one of the airboard by breakfast Day one day one