Speaker 1Is the establishment determined to destroy reform? An undercover sting has exposed the appalling views of some of its candidates.
Speaker 2But why aren't other parties under such close scrutiny? And doesn't the scandal simply reflect how society has been turned upside down by mass migration? Why aren't I seeing any stings on the Green Party? Why aren't, because presumably the people who are on the ground in the Green Party, I mean, sometimes they're very obvious about it. There's clearly a very strong strain, for instance, of anti-Semitism. Why doesn't Channel 4 and ITV go undercover with them and find out just how much some of the people on the ground actually hate Jews? Why don't we go and infiltrate some mosques?
Speaker 1Camilla, you are wearing black.
Speaker 2I've just hot-footed it from an absolutely touching memorial service at St Bride's Fleet Street, the journalist's church for my old editor and mentor and very close friend, Martin Townsend. And the choir there is so good. So they did The Beach Boys. They did Ray Davies' Thank You for the Days. And they did I've Got All the Time in the World, you know, the James Bond beautiful theme.
Speaker 1Yes, Louis Armstrong.
Speaker 2Choral, chorally. It was a joy and I was sitting behind them, so it was lovely. But I've rushed it. What's going on with your glasses?
Speaker 1They're blue. I don't know whose they are. I found them in my bedside drawer because I left my nice tortoiseshell specs on the train. And if anyone finds them, let me know. And so I had to replace them. And I just went through all, I've got like a thousand pairs of glasses in my drawer.
Speaker 2Well, they must be yours. Do you not remember buying them?
Speaker 1I don't know. I don't remember buying them.
Speaker 2Imagine if they were somebody else's and they're in your bedside drawer. I know. How did they get there? Which is interesting in itself. Imagine if they are somebody else's, but they also fit your prescription perfectly. That seems unlikely to me.
Speaker 1It's a mystery, isn't it? But I believe there are gnomes who steal socks and glasses. Yes. And pens. The same gnomes. Socks and glasses and pens.
Speaker 2The same gnomes come to my house and steal socks. Out of my tumble dryer. There is a crow
Speaker 1that picks on me. Anyway, we need to discuss a very serious subject. Yes. In September 2024, the reform leader, Nigel Farage, promised to professionalize his party. And he would do that by beefing up the vetting process for candidates. Quote, we don't want extremists. We don't want bigots. We don't want people who think that way because we represent the silent, decent majority of this country. Now, ITV has done an undercover report using secret filming in which they spoke to reform activists and officials and revealed them to be using the most appalling and offensive language, describing Muslims as parasites, describing black children as animals. One person who was recorded, a reform counselor from South London, claimed that King Charles was a secret Muslim because a prayer mat had been used. And he said, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. spotted in the palace and suggested that he ought to be decapitated. A senior reform counselor from Solihull said of Asian people, drag them out their homes, stick them on planes and F them off to Pakistan. And there's also some misogyny, too. One male counselor said of a female reform candidate, if she was my daughter, it would be bath night on a Thursday and that he would sexually assault another female candidate if he was given the chance to hug her.
Speaker 2I watched it while I was on the treadmill. And I thought, well, last time I watched a reforms thing, I was on a treadmill as well. And that was the Channel 4 Dispatch's expose of the fake American donor. Yes. I watched this. I found it both staggering and completely unsurprising. I am not in any way, shape or form advocating any of the language used here. Hmm. I think that you had a demonstration of somebody infiltrating, not just the reform sort of grassroots network, but the conversations that take place in cars and in pubs over pints, which might not be representative of the party as a whole. I think we can accept that these individuals exist in all political movements. They're just arguing different things. And I was watching it thinking, OK, this is all well and good. I don't like the language they're using. I can understand. I can understand some of the sentiments they're expressing. I can understand why they're angry at the changing face as they perceive it of their country. The way they've expressed their self is wrong. And I've always made this argument, by the way, in political discourse. Just be polite and inoffensive. Make a cogent point. I'll use a classic example on this. Boris Johnson's argument about the burqa. I don't like the burqa.
Speaker 1Oh, this is when he said it was like a letterbox.
Speaker 2That's when he lost. In a telegraph column. He lost the argument. He lost the argument because he made it offensive and impolite. He could have had a perfectly cogent argument about the burqa, the oppressive nature of that outfit, what it actually means for the women wearing it without saying letterboxes. We can have a completely sane and rational argument about whether migration to this country has gone too far, legal and illegal. Let's not forget as well, this is the week that it was revealed that the surname Khan will overtake Smith. I think by next year. Now, we might want to ask ourselves how people in Pakistan would feel if Smith overtook Khan. There's nothing wrong with questioning that. What's happening here? Have we had too much of a so-called good thing without using horrendous language and tropes in the same way that you and I can have some bants as a woman and a man without you insulting me and being offensive about my gender? But there is something at the heart of this, which seems to me to be completely. And it's this as I was watching it, thinking to myself, this is the second sting I've seen. Why aren't because presumably the people who are on the ground in the Green Party, I mean, sometimes they're very obvious about it. We've had a bit of expose. This week about imams literally preaching that it's a good idea for their congregation, if male, to beat up their wives. There's nothing wrong with it. Don't leave any bruises. Why can't we have a bit more on that? Why is it always reform? Because they can't be the only party with some wrong ends in there. Can they, Tim? Or am I being am I being unreasonable?
Speaker 1Well, our producer has very kindly collected examples of. Candidates in other parties who have done wrong, and the list runs to several pages, by the way, so I can't I can't read them all out. But just to give random examples, the Conservative Party during the twenty twenty four campaign, the Conservatives were forced to withdraw support from several candidates due to historical social media comments containing anti-Semitic or Islamophobic tropes, as well as the election date betting scandal. The Labour Party, I mean, gosh, where to begin the example here of the Rochdale by-election of twenty twenty four. Labour was forced to suspend its candidate, Azar Ali, and withdraw official backing just weeks before the vote after recordings surfaced of him making conspiracy driven anti-Semitic comments about Israel and the October 7th attacks. Lib Dems, again, I'm just plucking a random example out here. Let's go with Lib Dem Pat Marsh, the former Harrogate mayor. The senior local politician was suspended and subsequently expelled from the party following a series of offensive posts on social media regarding the Israel Gaza conflict leading to a criminal trial. But, hey, I'm a middle class person with a Ph.D. I don't I but I'm talking here about I'm talking about people down the pub and this includes the the misogyny that everyone is.
Speaker 2Oh, yeah. I mean, I've got two older brothers.
Speaker 1I am not. You know, there you go. I would remind you, by the way, Donald Trump.
Speaker 2But no, we know men speak about women and women speak about men.
Speaker 1Frankly, have you seen what Russell Brand is on trial for? Yes. And I won't make any further comment for legal reasons. So anyone who's so when they finish? The segment, Tom Bradbury, the presenter who comments at least as much editorially on news stories as GB News does. Yes. And no one cares. That's right. Again, all the attention is on the supposed bias of GB News. At the end of this recording, Bradbury literally put his head in his hands when. Oh, my God.
Speaker 2Yeah, I know. It's editorializing. OK,
Speaker 1but we are supposed to pretend that we live in a world in which people don't speak like this. And when secret cameras go out and catch people doing it. It's akin to the Politburo in the late Soviet Union discovering to its horror that the citizens think socialism is nonsense. Yes. Likewise, out there in the real world, vast majority of people have passed a verdict on mass migration. It's not nice. It's pretty ugly when you hear it. But it's got even uglier precisely because popular opinion on this subject has been suppressed. When people feel. they don't have someone in public life who articulates for them how they feel. feel when they feel their own views are being pushed down when you can't even say something pretty light-hearted like a burqa looks like a letterbox honestly that really mattered you can't
Speaker 2even say that well i'm saying the result i want to make that point just to come in on that i agree on one hand because i was thinking last night about things that had been cancelled why did comedians ever accept their comedy being cancelled because it's just a joke so i'm very much in the kind of ricky javazian uh avenue there i'm merely saying that in johnson's case it was so unfortunate because he was making an argument for female empowerment and it got lost because of that description and i'm trying to make the point that if you want to make very sane and cogent arguments from whatever position you come from right left whatever about mass migration i'm not saying by the way that people should edit themselves and not say i'm worried about there being far too many
Speaker 1let me be specific at what i mean here then what i'm saying is i believe that right now you could take a camcorder into hidden inside a sports bag into any pub in britain and you could find people talking like that yes but when the middle class establishment says to someone who said a burqa looks a bit like a letterbox when they try and destroy their public career over that and
Speaker 2say we can have no debate about burqas
Speaker 1the gulf between the middle class faux horror at what boris johnson said and what people are actually saying is so wide yes that it makes the establishment us whatever i might as i don't think i am but it makes us look ridiculous yes that we won't even tolerate a joke about
Speaker 2letterbox no i get that but also what by the way do we seriously think that there is an anti-white bants within communities of color yes do we seriously
Speaker 1it's just we can't understand them because they're in a different language well possibly
Speaker 2or do we seriously think that there isn't anti-semitism okay being expressed in in some and this and this is my
Speaker 1other point it it needs to be noted also on perhaps on the negative side for reform that some of what they were saying reflects what the leadership says actually when you've got robert generick saying implying that you can use military force against people in the
Speaker 2channel he wasn't exactly saying that he was saying that when
Speaker 1you've got suella brave i know we can all have an argument we can all do well only
Speaker 2because i had his people on to me saying well you've misrepresented us i said well maybe you should watch his what he's actually said so he's not misconstrued because he can't be right and we all be
Speaker 1wrong okay fine you've got suella braveman saying english as an ethnicity and uh i'm not english yeah you've got uh people who are proxies for the party saying kemi badenock cannot be fully english because she's nigerian and you can't trust her with the country because she's an anchor baby so in other words they are picking up on where the discourse is and they're picking up on where the discourse is and they're picking up and i'm telling you that if boris wrote the letterbox column today no one would make any fuss yeah probably not because the conversation has completely moved on and the leadership has moved with it but all of this is happening because of mass migration i know it sounds like i'm blaming the victim here and to repeat nothing that was said was acceptable morally or in terms of taste but if you change the demographics of a country so suddenly and radically over night you inject into it an ethnic self-awareness that wasn't there before yes and people who didn't previously think about am i english or not suddenly feel forced to discuss it because they can see people around them who plainly are not english or are not trying to be english and it's not just reform that has this issue the conservative party in general elections runs candidates who take india's side on the cash smear issue why what the hell's that got to do with us labor has in the past have had candidates who are violently against israel why nothing to do with us the green party has passed a motion saying zionism is racism why nothing to do with us yes my point is the ugly racist politics that we now have is downstream from mass migration yes so to all the middle class liberals who watch these people saying these things in pubs and i just can't believe that what has happened to my country where has our decency and our standards gone it is your fault because you have for 20 years pursued a policy of importing millions of people yes and i have said throughout my public career including when on the left if you have any understanding of human nature or human history if you just look within my lifetime at the balkans or rwanda you can see that different people who perceive themselves to be different struggle to live next door to each other peacefully
Speaker 2well even if it isn't that to lean into david davis's point earlier in the week sometimes it's just economic resentment because statistics come forward as follows and this is this outpouring of extraordinary data by the center for social justice report which had earlier found the three thousand parts of the uk where more than half the population is on benefits yes the headline yesterday was four in five jobs created since 2010 i believe have gone to foreign workers how do you think that makes the british feel yes and then we had another statistic today suggesting that we're paying 23 billion pounds to foreigners yes in benefits and other payments so then you're wondering half the time it's not got anything necessarily to do with color of skin or religion it's got to do with economically are you harming me because i was born here and i think we can sympathize with that
Speaker 1yes and competition over public
Speaker 2services second of all by the way um what happened in the past particularly because of the cover-up over the rape gangs and just a general sort of air that islam was the only religion that couldn't be properly discussed without people being issued with fatwas and things that we had an absolute suppression of perfectly legitimate discourse about whether some people who had come to this country that weren't embracing british values should be allowed to stay so that's like a separate stream to this and had it not have been the case that when anyone said anything along the lines of i'm not sure we should be supporting cousin marriage and i'm not sure that we should be supporting a situation where in the back of mosques somewhere people are practicing sharia law and i'm not sure if girls should be wearing hijabs age seven in the uk people started pointing and saying you're an islamophobe you're a racist and a bigot don't then be surprised when some years later all of this comes home to roost and people are building up really strong resentments because they haven't been able to
Speaker 1have a say for 20 years i know i know i look the comments by readers are very interesting um liam olivera writes i eagerly await itv's undercover a year in labor and undercover a year with the greens i assume such shows are scheduled yes andrew brimson questions the methods it's appalling of course however please go and undercover film mosques or muslim meetings debating the uk i very much doubt reform councillors are alone in their tasteless comments the country is becoming more divided the government have mismanaged multiculturalism and created division where it didn't exist before
Speaker 2charlotte northbrook's also interesting it's perfectly okay for angela rayner to openly talk about tory scum class war is okay but not race both are abhorrent i mean that's the other thing isn't it you know what is said for instance by the left at different fringe meetings simply about the right and the other example by the way when you were listing the different things that have happened that may have caused people to wonder what country they're in from a female standpoint is men men are women and women are men yes women can have penises and men can grow cervixes yes it's just a complete insult to anybody female or anyone frankly with half a brain or anyone with any biological knowledge or any biological knowledge and yet that's rammed down our front and then you're wondering why people are so unhappy and feel unrepresented and by the way we've got a pm on top now who thinks that we can just ride roughshod over the brexit vote because everybody was influenced by russian bots reform says that
Speaker 1people filmed by itv are all under investigation and have already either resigned or been suspended and you mentioned camilla earlier the investigation into alleged donors american donors uh which is dan jukes and james orr um a party internal investigation has cleared them but the police are still looking into it i am convinced uh that everyone i know in 10 years time will either be in government or in prison yes it feels it feels like it's going that way in that
Speaker 2i hope i'm in neither i hope i'm just in this newsroom but my
Speaker 1final thought on this would be i think for a long time we have lived under an ideology of multiculturalism and as often happens with ideologies eventually they just depart from reality yes it's it's not working anymore and people can physically see it's not working and it's making them really unhappy and what often happens is the ideology doubles down and what it starts to say is the problem is not the material conditions the problem is people's perception of them so the real issue is not the lack of integration the terrorism the effect upon wages the rise of racism those are not the real issues the real issue is the far right and russia the real issue is the thing which is countering the ideology technology. And it seems to me that's what's going on here. And Dominic Cummings said some time ago, the establishment will do everything it needs to do to destroy reform. Yes. I think that's probably correct. But having said all of this, reform almost hands a weapon to its opponents by running people such as this. Yes. And I know they say their vetting processes have been improved, and these are only a few rotten apples. But why are they so easy to find?
Speaker 2Yes. Why are these rotten apples all in the reform orchard? You are making
Speaker 1this too easy to do.
Speaker 2But to conclude, there are rotten apples in every orchard. It's about rooting them out.
Speaker 1Yeah, of course there are. Of course there are. But you want to be a party of government, you've got to persuade me that you can run this country. And that's not just about policy. That's about party management. And some people will judge, do I feel comfortable with the ability of this party to run this country if it can't manage these sorts of things? That's a good test of how good would it be in Westminster.
Speaker 2Coming up after Jacob Rees-Mogg takes on Tucker Carlson on whether we're ready for war, why do so few people say they'll sign up to fight? Jacob Rees-Mogg, I'm calling you Montgomery 2.0 because of your slightly Monty and indeed Penny Morden-esque stand-up comedy. So you're going to sign up and fight Moggalog, which then attracted you to be spotted by Tucker Carlson, who has maintained that you're some kind of warmongerer because you think that we should be ready to fight a third world war. I mean, is that an accurate description of your position?
Speaker 3Let's go back to the 5th century and the GTS who said. You modernist. Absolutely.
Speaker 2David Davis is also here and you're in this conversation because you were once a soldier.
Speaker 3That's a useful perspective. If you want peace, prepare for war. And although it's attributed to him, actually you can trace back its antecedents. Centuries before that. That if you want peace, prepare for war. That if you think of so many wars, you think of the first Gulf War, where Saddam Hussein thought that America didn't mind if he invaded Kuwait. You think of the Falklands, where Galtieri thought that we didn't really care. You think of the Second World War, the First World War. On and on it goes. War takes place when the other side thinks you are so weak that you won't do anything about it. To stop the war, you have to make sure that you are well defended. And what does that mean? That means having an army that is of a realistic size. The Kaiser in 1914, if we had had a bigger army, and he'd known that we would protect Belgium, would not have gone through Belgium. It's as simple as that. So you need a reasonable number of people under arms, but crucially you need the best technology so that your enemy knows that they will be facing serious consequences if they attack you.
Speaker 2Well, let me hit you with the findings of a new poll out today by Ipsos, which reveals the following rather worrying statistic. One in two, 48%, say there are no circumstances where they would be willing to take up arms and go to war for Britain.
Speaker 3It's just not true. I'm not saying the poll hasn't come up with this answer.
Speaker 2This is a poll of 1,000 British adults conducted.
Speaker 3The Oxford Union voted that under no circumstances would they vote for king and country, and half the people who were in that debate, then. took up arms in 1939 once we were at war with Hitler. When you're at peace, people say they will never fight. The atmosphere would change immediately if we were attacked, if we got into a position where we had to go to war. It's like so many of these questions that change once you have the discussion, once the reality hits. When you do opinion polls in ordinary time about do people want ID cards, you find that 80% say yes, they'd quite happily have an ID card. When you have debated the subject for about a week, as Keir Starmer discovered a year ago, it suddenly flips around and you discover that everyone is against them. I have no doubt that the great British people would sign up in their droves if we were really faced with war. And I think we should be prepared by making sure that the army and the navy, and of course the air force, are well enough staffed so that we have the base to be ready for. David, hang on, before you respond,
Speaker 2tell us, why did you join the armed forces and where did you serve?
Speaker 4All sorts of reasons, but mostly excitement, bluntly. I was 18, 19, and I wanted to take the selection course for the SAS and get through that and parachute and do all sorts of other things. But also, there was a real threat from the Soviet Union. My task, and I can talk about it now because it's so long ago and it'd be done by a robot today, was to go behind enemy lines, find what they call the follow-on forces, ideally cause a traffic jam like there was north of Kiev in the beginning of the Russian invasion there, and then call in the weapons on that traffic jam. It wasn't a very long survival option, but, you know, that was the task. And it was important because the Soviet Union was a real threat. Now, take, I mean, I really strongly reinforce Jacob's point on people not wanting to fight. In 1938, it was 20 years ago, 20 years after the carnage of the First World War. The motives of people never to fight were huge. And as Liam makes today as nothing by comparison, and yet, he's right, in a year, they changed their mind. Now, I think, I think we can alter that and alter much of our preparedness by looking at pretty much every country that's actually significantly either at war, been at war recently, whether it's Ukraine or Israel or America, all have huge, huge reserve forces. Yes. Three, four times, you know, they're sort of normal forces. And we should be doing that. I mean, I would, for example, I would say to every student going to university, if you serve four years in the reserves, that's while you're at university plus one year afterwards to get you into the habit afterwards, we'll pay your tuition fees. And while you're there, you know, you'll be earning money, so you can probably pay your living.
Speaker 2Wow. That's a good idea. Now, that would give you. That's a good idea. Very good, very good idea.
Speaker 4And you get smart people, too, because tomorrow, tomorrow a soldier is not somebody who's going to carry a rifle, it's somebody who's going to control a drone or invent a new method of tactics in the face of the drone warfare and so on. So you want smart people. You know, you want. And then what will happen? Something else will happen. Even in the 30s, you know, in my little local town, Howden, you know, the center of some part of the social work will be the TA center. You know, the bar in the Territorial Army Center in the drill hall or whatever, people would know each other and they'd go and exercise on weekends. It'd be part of people's community. It would bring people out of their rooms in front of their screens and do real things. Yes. And we could do all of that. And it would actually have more benefits than just military.
Speaker 2But can I ask you something? I mean, let's be honest, you're a lover, not a fighter, Jacob Rees-Mogg. You're an intellectual. You weren't ever somebody that did much sport at school. If you had been conscripted, genuinely, if you've been of that era how would you actually have felt bearing arms and going over the top and fighting in either the First or the Second World Wars?
Speaker 3In the First World War, the people in those circumstances from my old school, whether they were academic or they were great sportsmen, went in enormous numbers. I think Eton lost over 1,200 people in the First World War. That's basically a full five years of Eton killed in the First World War. And it's quite extraordinary the commitment that there was, then, that they signed up. They didn't need to wait to be conscripted. And I think you'd find that. Actually, one of the great things about this country is we didn't introduce conscription until, what was it, 1917 it comes in. The base in 1916 comes in 1917 because people are so determined to fight for their country. You had the pals.
Speaker 4You had all sorts of volunteer battalions.
Speaker 3Battalions. New Zealand, with no conscription, provided a higher percentage of its available population to fight in the First World War than we did with conscription. And we forget the Indians, the people like that. Absolutely. Who weren't conscripted. I have an image. Answer my question.
Speaker 2You're a committed Catholic. You go bare arms and you kill people.
Speaker 3I completely believe in the just war theory, which is a Catholic theory developed primarily by Thomas Quiner. So there is some from Augustine as well. So it draws on that. But there's been a just war theory since the 13th century. So I have no difficulty with the just war theory. The question you should be asking me is not about me. I'm 57. I'm not of an age, really, to be a Catholic. I'm not going to be involved. Yeah, but you have got five sons. You should ask me about my sons. Yes. My eldest son. If I was a Ukrainian, I'd have been called up and I'm older than you. Okay. Yeah. And, you know, if it comes to that, then of course.
Speaker 4I have an image of Jacob. But in the taking of Pegasus Bridge, there's a film actually about Pegasus Bridge in the sort of the Normandy invasion, the Normandy landings. There's a wonderful public school boy officer who, while everybody else is hiding behind hedges and in the holes around, he's walking around in the middle of the road with a walking stick. Nothing else. The white shirt. You think that would be me? That's you. But onto your five sons.
Speaker 3That's a very good point. My eldest son is keen to join the army. And I think my second son, who is 16, would be pretending he was 18 to sign up if this happened. As many did. As many did. They then get younger. So it's hard to say once they're 14. Actually, my 10-year-old knows everything about what led to the First World War. And, you know, he's absolutely fascinated by all. of that and what caused it so and i said the worry it would be as a parent it wouldn't be about myself the other the other thing
Speaker 4about the just war theory i mean i'm i'm not as erudite uh jacob my basic none of us are david my basic line is don't start wars but do finish them you know i think that's we
Speaker 2got the capability to finish we have in the first
Speaker 4world war i think the basically the the regular army was used up in the first well the first set of campaigns when by the time you got to battle the man it was a territorial army fighting you know in the second world war the the the armed forces there were pretty much also used up captured killed whatever in the first day so you've got to have many more people and jacob's right wars of aggression you En are almost invariably miscalculations yes whether it's argentine or german uh or russian for that matter it's a miscalculation and and that's where we have to be very careful actually
Speaker 3this is true of ukraine yeah and because we were so weak after the invasion the initial invasion of crimea and allowed putin to get away with it putin thought that he could invade ukraine and we wouldn't do anything so when all these munitions had got through to ukraine mainly things like that were done in a way that was not done in a way that was not done in a way that was very thanks to boris johnson and they were stopped his miscalculation became apparent and they're now bogged down in war four and a half
Speaker 4years i think the russians have had 21 wars basically since putin's been it's basically non-stop continuous war there and nobody stopped him yeah why would he not continue but is there is
Speaker 2there an appetite in this country for that kind of seemingly forever war where putin can't win and ukraine can't lose so what's the
Speaker 4question well i don't know you
Speaker 2know it's going on and on and on imagine it's all very well us talking about this theoretically if that is your husband or your son going out there and it and it's extraordinary isn't it because it is being fought by drone but it's also being fought by land and i never thought we would have that kind of land war again
Speaker 4well and those land wars do go on forever look at the iran iraq war same sort of thing but it comes back to jacob's earliest point the fifth century point if you wish for peace prepare for war don't let it start and any way you can stop it starting is by being big enough and scary enough that they won't take you on what
Speaker 2role do i play in any war effort future war effort well
Speaker 3i i don't know it's a middle-aged woman i i don't know but
Speaker 4women women were a formidable part of the second world war whether it was the gchq predecessor with ma and whether it was soe behind the lines sue rider sue rider i met sue rider she was she i think she parachuted into poland she certainly went into poland i think she met pope john there actually he was a resistance leader you know
Speaker 2so yes nancy wake who was constantly and they were
Speaker 4formidably brave i mean this is the thing formidably brave i mean you know we men we all butch ourselves up you know we don't have to do childbirth you know much more painful so you know so i think i think there's a big there will be a big role i mean the future war will be will be undiscriminating
Speaker 3sexually i think that's probably right because you'll have the operation of drones which doesn't need to be done by men it needs to be done by people who are dexterous and are capable of yeah doing it so i i think everybody will be involved in the second world war the uk one of the reasons we succeeded was much better at turning its economy its whole economy into a war economy than germany was even at the very end of the war the british economy was more of a war economy than germany managed to be and i think you would see the same happening again but this won't happen if we're prepared that's the good news i don't want people listening to this to think here we are three warmongers we're not we're peacemongers
Speaker 4my two predecessors in holton price and howden two constituencies were the last two double decorated members of parliament you wouldn't know their names paul brian mc dso um and patrick wall mc it wasn't dso but it was equivalent you know um and if you'd ask them you know or indeed if you'd ask them if you'd ask them if they were or if margaret thatcher when she was considering the falklands surrounded by uh peter carrington willie whitelaw pim all these people had fought in the fillet's gap they'd seen young men blown to bits die in agony you know 18 year olds they said to her be careful before you take this on the falklands war think it through very very carefully indeed soldiers are not warmongers when when i led a rebellion to defeat cameron on bombing syria every one of my tory supporters was an ex-military man because they knew what war really is and they know the only way to stop it is to be so scary the others i won't thank you all that's why nobody
Speaker 3ever takes on david because you say scary then everything's true
Speaker 2of you as well yes i can see myself commanding some kind of tank battalion i can see the picture
Speaker 3of margaret thatcher
Speaker 2you
Speaker 4just need the headscarf and i can certainly see you commanding a drone battalion thank you david
Speaker 2scary um um jacob reese morg david davis thank you very much indeed for joining me on the daily tea on a lighter note tim you'll be back tomorrow with the royal tea on harry and megan the latest you
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