(upbeat music) - I need support staff to clear the room. Stand up and walk, now. - Hello, and welcome to the watch. My name is Chris Ryan. I am editor at TheRinger.com and joining me in the studio here to explain the bond market. It's a degree world. - Can anyone in this room explain the bond market? - All I know is Scott Besson Pute yesterday. - Yeah, you keep saying this, but I thought there was gonna be like TMZDC, got you a footage of him actually like yakking in a bucket. - No, I mean like he intervened, man. He had to come in and start buying back. - Is that what you quants call it? (laughing) Is that what it is? - Look at my client. - Is that like, is Kevin Warsh gonna puke at the next? - No, I just, it's just my Lingo. It's just my way of speaking, Andy. It's great to see you on the surface. - People say we're getting out of touch, but I don't think so. Who says that? - I just say, there were people who were like, maybe they're getting up there in years. - Sure you, that whoever says that. - He's also worried about. - We were more in touch than they are. - With the bond market? - Well, with everything, with Geese, with the bond market, with Shane Gillis, who's a new season of tires, debuted on Netflix, and we're gonna talk about that. - Okay. - We have a bunch of news to get through
[email protected], the watch pod_instagram, and you can watch us on YouTube at thebringer-tvchannel, or on Spotify, where I hope you listen to us, or wherever you listen to podcasts. - Yeah. - A little bit of housekeeping. - Oh good. - So today, obviously, we're gonna do some TV stuff, some TV news, and then tire season three, like the first half of it. Not that this is like, you know, lost, and you need to like, breathlessly track the development of Valley Forge Auto. But then on Monday, we have a little bit of lanterns, a lot of furious, and then Vans gonna join me for lioness. - I was gonna say, this would be a good housekeeping moment to say that we're hosting a screening next week here in Los Angeles, but I just found out it sold out. - Yeah, I knew that. - You knew that? - Yeah, I just knew. - Did you buy all the tickets? - No, I'd skyd best into it. I was just like, this is an incredible way. - The Los Angeles three guys here in the box I was being like, see our puked. He bought the whole thing. We were hosting a screening of the Born Identity next Wednesday for American Cinematic. - I'm gonna say if tickets, so. - Well, for those of you who listen, who have tickets, thank you. - Yeah. - Thank you for propping up our personal bond market. Okay, sorry. Didn't need to talk about that. - Well, up, but the interest, it just doesn't make sense. - Let me just do a quick. - Does anybody in this room understand the bond? - What are bonds? - What if Kyle is like, actually? - Wouldn't surprise me. - It's not that I doubt her intelligence. She's just never mentioned the bond market to me. - People who know the bond market don't need to mention it. - It's the bond market, different than the stock market. - Yes. - Well, both are markets. (laughing) Summer wet, summer dry. - Can you explain to me the difference? - I had one. I knew you wanted to get it to news. This is Thursday, we can't let it rip. - I had, didn't know it day was a quick thing, though. I don't know if you're following the story that was breaking to this morning or this week, that apparently there is a high and fishing scheme where celebrities, authors and journalists are being, are receiving messages from prominent podcasts, or so they appear to be saying, we'd love for you to appear on, for example, fresh. This is Terry Gross. - Well, no, I mean. - Please come on fresh air. - Much like this season of lioness. The war has come home. - Right. - It happened to good hang podcasts. - Well, I was getting there. Maybe Kaye a can, or I don't know if legally, she can speak to it or not. - She's like bond market. (laughing) - But anyway, people who legitimately maybe, legitimately maybe could have been guests on these podcasts were receiving messages and some of them sent in information. Some of them showed up on, like Bruce Valance showed up on a Zoom where a black box said NPR. - Really? - Yeah. - He did and then was like, oh, I get it, you know. - But Eddie entered like his credit card information, or is it just like a prank? - No, he did make a donation to national public radio. - Yeah. - This is a hell of a grip, by the way. Can you imagine if you got one? It's like, hey, it's John Asuf. I know you're liking what I'm putting down right now. Would you make a small donation, but it's just some dude's PayPal? Anyway, my question for you is, why not us? - Why haven't we been fished? Or why don't we start offering ourselves up for this kind of? - I guess I kind of wanted to just put it on the table, bring you this news and then wonder, like, is there a potential target? I don't want to help the scammers, but also I wonder if there's a certain mid-level Celeb or thought warrior who might be susceptible to this grift, if it was just like-- - Because of our podcast? - Yeah, if it was just like, hey man, this is CR. I know you love listening to me on podcasts. I'd love for you to join us on the watch to share your takes on. - Do you think that there's a fertile ground? - How high up in Trump's cabinet do you think we could get? Who do you think would come on the pod? - Stephen Chung. - Oh yeah. - Easy. You mean like actual-- - If I was like, hey Scott, I just don't get it. I don't really know what's going on. - Absolutely. I feel like Sean Duffy is very-- - Do you have a sec? - Sean Duffy is media-forward. - Yes, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? - I don't want any of those fucking guys on this podcast. - No, I know, this is a sacred space. - Is there anyone that you think that I-- I mean again, I'm not-- - Did you do that Natalie on? - For the clicks? - No, for just getting as a psychological portrait. - Who among us hasn't climbed into a trunk to be nearer to those that we love? - Yeah, okay. I like that you immediately went White House. I think that you have political ambitions both in terms of your career and maybe in terms of your career. You know what I mean? Like in terms of what you want to cover, who you want to be off now, then what? - I think the thing about the watch is it can be anything we want it to be. - Okay. - Yeah. - It's sort of play-doh in that way. Like we can just kind of mold it on to any kind of experience we want to have with it. We could be like a food and travel podcast. We could be a political podcast. We could make it a podcast about economic discovery and financial wellbeing. - I was going to make it a resistance podcast until Alex Vindman went down in flames in Florida and I was like, Jesus. I got to find a new grift. That's why we're covering tires today. - That's right. We're just two years late for the mudshift, but. - Let's talk about some shit we're excited about. That's what I have this conversation. There was a couple of announcements this week in the world of TV that piqued our interest. Number one is the return of two watch goats. - Yeah. - I mean, accomplished screenwriters in some cases best-selling authors. But Richard Price and Steve's Alien are back at it again. They made one of my favorite TV shows of all time the night of. Richard Price obviously is a bit of guest on the show as Steve's Alien. - Yeah, we have him. - And Price is the author of "Clockers" and the author of "Freedom Land" and "Man and Lush Life," one of my favorite books. He's also the screenwriter behind "Color of Money" and "See of Love" and many other screenplays. They collaborated years ago with HBO on "The Night of" with "Riz Ahmed" and "John Tuturo" and now are reuniting to adapt a non-fiction book from 2015 called "Get O Side." Now, "Zalian" hasn't done a TV project or really, I don't think any project since Ripley, which was my favorite show of the year it was released. - Yep. - And very high up on your list. This is based on this 2015 book by Joe Leovi, and this is the log one. On a warm spring evening in South Los Angeles, a young man is shot and killed on a sidewalk, minutes away from his home. One of thousands of black Americans murdered that year. His assailant runs down the street, jumps into an SUV and vanishes, hoping to join the scores of killers in American cities who are never arrested for their crimes. But as soon as the case is assigned to detective John Skags, the odds shift. And you say what? - Skag season. - Yeah. So I think the one thing that I don't know if you mentioned in your beautiful preamble is that this is going to be for Netflix. - This is for Netflix, thank you. - I think it's interesting primarily because this has HBO all over it because of Price's long association with the network. He did the. - Right on the wire. - Yes, but also what was the show that we like, is that we almost, it's like been memory hold 'cause of COVID with Ben Mendelsson. - Outside her. - Yes. - And it just seems like since the, yes. And it seems like since the headlines were like night of reunion, not sequel, but spiritual sequel in the sense that these guys working together in a crime story, pulled from the headlines, or in this case pulled from a nonfiction book, that would feel like a natural home for it. And I find it interesting that Netflix swooped in and just got it. You can look at this a number of ways. You can look at it as Netflix reinforcing what we talked about last week about how, this is true crime adjacent. So it kind of fits in with some of their programming. You can look at it as they were very up, Netflix was very opportunistic in snapping up Xalians Ripley from Showtime where it was floundering. And I think they turned it into, I get it. We loved it. It's a masterpiece. I think it didn't well enough for them because it got any consideration. So that could be a sign of them once again, just being like smart movers when the market shifts. - See that? 'Cause I mean, the dream in life would be for them to continue to make stuff in the Ripley verse and I think Andrew Scott is probably a little old to keep playing Ripley. But that being said, like some of the stuff that happens at the end of the first season of Ripley or that season of Ripley would suggest that maybe they had designs on-- - Well, we talked to Xalian about, I mean, I think the desire was to do more of them, but I think the lift may have just been too hard because it was so exacting and such a demanding and involved in ultimately beautiful production. - Yeah. - The third piece that I would just look to,
is I would just, I would win-tourced fingers any time Netflix swoops in and tries to drink HBO's milkshake only because we've talked about it before, but there is a division within Netflix led by a former HBO executive, Nora Skinner, who they're, I think, actively trying to recreate some of the good prestigious creative vibes. I develop literary projects. Yeah. So that all makes sense, but the main takeaway is, this is awesome for us. We'll have a show to make next year. I wonder if, if Zaline's going to direct all of it like he did with Ripley, and I also wonder if Robert Ellswood, who shot Ripley, Bob, would, would maybe be available to shoot this. Hope they shoot it in Los Angeles, obviously. That would be essential, I think, if you're going to make a show about LA crime to shoot it here. Is there, but any, like, development, if you heard anything about any of the Jordan Harper Noirs getting developed for TV or for-- um, I, my unders, no, but I think, well, I guess my understanding of it is that Jordan, who wrote, um, everybody knows the book we love two years ago, and his new book, Violent Masterpiece, I just finished this year, because he is also a screen writer and has worked on TV. And, you know, I, this, this came up during the rewatchables that, that he's actually the guy who was writing and potentially would have shown run in series the LA Confidential TV series from years ago. My, my understanding is that he wants to make these himself as well he should, but I don't know where they stand. Speaking of, of seizing the means of production, well, you're good at this. Charlie Hunham. Yes. Fascinating. Made his name as, as the lead of Suns of Anarchy and FX long-running FX show. You don't think you made his name on Undeclared? I would say that Suns of Anarchy was a bigger deal than Undeclared, but I thought he was the lightful on Undeclared. Thank you. Thank you for seeing me. So find him delightful in the gentleman, the movie. Oh, yeah. Right. But he, he's best known for Suns of Anarchy. And funnily enough, he is reuniting the cast of Suns of Anarchy or most of it for a show called Legends, which will also be on FX, which was Suns of Anarchy's home for a long time. This is not the Steve Cougan show that we covered briefly. No. And I believe that this is, so the log line is that the original cast of Suns of Anarchy reunite at a convention, a fan convention, and something goes off the rails. And they are, they put in peril, I imagine. The way I'm reading this is that this is a, it has real single camera action comedy written over like maybe DocuDrama style, maybe not, I don't know. But like, Hanuman apparently is like very creatively involved in this. Is he the writer of this? I believe this is his project. It got Kurt Sutter's blessing. He is the creator of Suns of Anarchy, the long time showrunner of that show, and reunites many of the cast members, Katie Cigal, Ron Pearlman, Theorasi, etc. So Hanum developed it with Jonathan Groff, who is an incredibly accomplished and very, very funny and talented writer, showrunner. He was, we're showing English teacher. He did not work on English teacher, but he worked on, oh my god, happy endings. Oh right. For many years, and Blackish, and came up with Conan O'Brien, and so there is an established comedy mind here for a show that I think will probably be more than comedy. But the main comp here is that they're galaxy questing themselves. Yes. Right. Have you guys done that on rewatchables? No. No. Do you like galaxy quest? Love galaxy quest. I don't know that I've ever seen it. Really? Yeah. I'm just being honest between these two walls. Nobody listens. It's just us. What are your secrets? Right. The premise of galaxy quest is a star trek like cast forced to continue to relive, you know, a relatively embarrassing or low creative moment in their lives that fan conventions are swept up when a actual alien who has been watching their television show brings them aboard the ship to save their galaxy because he thinks the show is real. And it's a top, top tier Sigourney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Tony Shaloube, honestly, maybe the best Tim Allen performance, too. There's a, there's two different sort of tracks of conversation here to have. Obviously one is I'm going to do a one man galaxy quest rewatchables, which camera's on? This is going to be good. You would be the only person to ever do that other than Bill. Do a one man rewatchables? Uh-huh. Has he done a one man rewatchable? Cast away. He did it solo with a ball? Yeah. God. He's unbelievable. He's the guy. We should talk about how I've known him now for 15 years, and I have never seen him laugh harder than when you were suggesting that the Sixers would wear black armbands for an entire season after he's had you assassinated for getting too big for your bridges. That was a very sweet moment because not only were you very, very funny, as always, but he was really, he was gone. Yeah. The thing that's not in the clip itself is that Bill and Sean were more delighted by the idea of other people who didn't know me tweeting their memories of me. Yes. Yes. What's it like? They would spend clearly more time screenshotting and sending each other the screenshots that he would actually mourning me. Can you imagine what Carrie Russell would put on Blue Sky about the one time she saw you? You know what? I'm not trying to violate Carrie Russell's privacy, man. Yeah. What? You saw her recently. In public. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't speak. No. I didn't. But you thought maybe I think that the way to put celebrities at ease. Uh-huh. Excited about that. In spaces where so Carrie Russell, this is, we keep this I don't care, maybe we don't need to say where? We don't need to say where? I don't need to say where. No, I thought it was quite all those, all those oil changes going on a period piece, a period piece. None of these people could be catfished by fresh air and Terry Gross. I'll tell you that much. I would want bones would be on. So I thought but I couldn't tell you the name of the character. I think it's like it's Emily bones. Yeah, right. It is doctor bones, isn't it? Well, she just bones because she's a medical examiner. Yeah, I think it was Elizabeth bones. I bones, the bone zone is bones and resilient Isles. I have seen 200 episodes of the last 10 minutes of those episodes because they would be on before basketball on TNT. Oh, what about lawn order reruns now? Not as much on TNT. Yeah, that was more of a TBS or USA thing. The USA thing because when you tune in for the first of a double header on a Wednesday on TNT with Chuck and Kenny, you do the work. Resolean Isles right there. All of this to say, this sounds pretty great and much more interesting, I think to me, than like a retread of the show that to be Frank, I never watch. So I think it's kind of exciting and it's a fun idea and the cast is clearly into it. And I do think that there is potentially good precedent here. I mean, you never want something to be super naval gazing of just like celebrities hanging out and enjoying how funny they are together. But it went until Chris walks into the room. One of the premise was the cast of "Sons of Anarchy" at a convention and then you walk into the convention. I was like, you guys all meeting up. You guys here to see me? I'll be signing up. That's not what I mean. I just mean that I try in my head to be like, that's just a normal person. That's a different way. Even if I'm like, you're the diplomat. I'm just like, you know, I just, you're just chilling. You're shopping. You saw him wait to Chanel and you're like, please shut that's bones. Forget it. She's just like, she's just made of bones like the rest of us. I think the idea of a show like this is an interesting and potentially promising precedent instead of just doing a reunion of the show. Like, did we need that last season of Frazier that they tried to do? I honestly, from what I know about "Sons of Anarchy" from reading interviews with cast members and stuff like that. I do know that the bonds made on that show were quite deep and quite passionate. And, you know, that there was like a lot of testosterone on that set. I think if you can play with that, if you can discuss that, it'll be worthwhile. I'm more than even galaxy question. It is interesting to see FX dig in the crates a little bit. Oh, is there, of their own IP network that, you know, it's been, they've kind of fallen under the Disney umbrella broadly, but more than that, like, you know, their work is available on Hulu and Disney Plus. And they have a linear, at least a cable presence, but not a one that I think people think of them for. And I was just interested to see that like, I wonder if this thing would make people the folks who worked on the shield or the folks, you know, they've done some justified stuff, but is there other stuff to do here? Well, what are, what are also though the casts ensembles that have like the highest Q rating and approval rating? And your friends, who's nothing to you, Kerry Russell and Matthew Reese, for example, like the, I feel like the interview that they did for the variety cover story probably had more views than, than Woodo's Bay did on Apple TV, you know what I mean? I think people love them together. They're delightful. So a show with them doing something as themselves would probably be more entertaining and honestly creatively fruitful than the Americans, but this time in Russia, 20 years later. Like, I don't hold on now. Let me just type that down. But I think, but there are other like, there are other casts that where they just have famously have an interesting rapport that might be worth seeing them try to bounce off of who they were, whether it's like Parks and Rec, because you know, Kai has overseen some of these mini reunions on Good Hang and these guys love each other and they have an interesting history and some of them are in different places now with their lives and careers. Mad men like Hammond Slattery, I know we're just in that movie that I didn't see. Do you see it? No. But like, they're fun. But I think the ultimate example, correct me if I'm wrong here, I think the, the ultimate example of a show that would benefit from getting Galaxy Quested would be The Good Wife. Okay. Why? Now, I want to be clear, I never watched it. I thought Christine Bransky was great in it. Sure. You never watched an episode of The Good Wife? No, we're being honest here just between the two of us. You never watched Galaxy Quest. I never watched The Good Wife. Did you ever watch The Good Fight? No, because I felt like I wouldn't get the jokes. You know, but he's in fact the show where Juliana Margolese and Archie Punjabi allegedly fell out so intensely so funny. You mentioned that they never appeared on screen together again. So I'm suggesting a Galaxy Quest type reboot where the actors have to investigate what happens. I've been dying to ask you about this for like 12 hours. Oh, okay. That was a huge controversy when it happened. Yeah. Everybody was like, wait a second. Not only like were they not sharing screen time for maybe multiple seasons before that last that episode. I don't remember. They were always on the phone. These are two people who would every other character finds a reason to go meet this other character for coffee. But Juliana Margolese and Archie Punjabi character would only talk on the phone when they were talking. Since then, one thing that drives me crazy when watching TV is when I feel like it looks as if the two characters are not in the same setting. They have shot their coverage like on different. There's no establishing shot. No two shot. And this was my big thing with the morning show, which is what you watch the morning show. You know, I understand that De Niro Puccino heat like you only want Aniston and Reese facing off ever so often. But they have a lot to do with each other. And I did feel like there were some scenes where I was like, who is Mary and Kotear talking to? Like it's like a shot of her talking. And then it would be like the person's reaction filled almost in Congress to what was being talked about. And there would be a lot like a complete absence of master shots where you'd be like, oh, these two people are in the room together. I was watching it was freaking on Instagram yesterday. And like some sag panel was coming up. Or something. And Paul Downs was talking about how. Paul Downs the co-creator and co-star of Hacks. Was talking about how that is like now a production tool, which is to digitally like basically take Hannah Imbinders take of this this take of one of her coverage. Yeah. I know I understand like it's like, yes, you can do like different. That's how you cut shows. Yeah. But like basically digitally replacing or digitally manipulating the way those scenes are shot. Yeah. Even taking the actual I don't know if I'm explaining it right. Do you know what I'm talking about? Kaya, can we do this for podcasts? Like not be in the same room. Just asking for the future. Well, to be like, yes, they mix and match. Yeah. I understand editing. But I mean like I think he was referring to more significant. It's possible. I mean, it's certainly technically possible. And I think the level of I think that from I think the discourse around all movies and all television shows must be purely analog or we have outsourced ourselves to the demon known as Claude. Like I think there's a middle ground. Sure. Some of which is also worrying. But I think that middle ground has that's where we already exist in terms of what's possible and what you can mix and match and what you can slightly tweak. I mean, you can manufacture. I think I read a story about this too. I mean, you can manufacture facial expressions on actors, which sag is quite concerned about. Oh, I sang into an indie filmmaker the other week. And I was like, I was like, well, they were talking to me about like their post production schedule that they were doing, but they were also working on the film. And they were like, oh, the VFX of this movie were, you know, I had to basically approve, but I couldn't be there for it. I was like VFX and they're like, yeah, VFX and it wasn't a movie where you'd be like, obviously, they've used a bunch of VFX in this. Yeah. I think that's further along than anyone realizes. But in terms of something like the morning show, again, based on no actual knowledge of it, my assumption with a show like that has always been the production challenges of juggling a not just a massive cast, but an incredibly top heavy cast of like pretty big actors used to doing their own things demands a, let's say creative blocking structure where actors might not be available at the same time. Right. I mean, and I mean, I think that the as production as TV production in my day, no, historically, a TV production would be you are blocked out for the four months that the show is shooting its season and you are available and you might work Thursday and you might work Tuesday or you might not work again until July, but you can't cut your hair and you can't shave or whatever you have to have continuity. And now it's a lot more like we've got this person, we're going to shoot them out in nine days, right? It's more than we have to because yes, because or we lose them. And also just the nature of television production is like like a show that I've been working on, you know, shoots for months and months and months longer than many movies do. Right. And then the gymnastics of just getting people who are available onto the show is just outrageous. Yeah, and I think you can sometimes see the seams in good ways and bad on different shows where you're like, I it feels like they had to shoot this person out and they had like to to make that work. They were like, we're going to shoot a lot of your stuff on this set.
and then a lot of your stuff on this set and you're all good. - I actually, I will say not to brag, but I did have to have the uncomfortable conversation with someone with an actor once that he couldn't shave his mustache for another role. - Is it me? - Yes. It was a continuity, would you want a galaxy quest any show? Did anything come to mind? We can circle back. - No, I mean, I'm kind of a romantic. I don't really like the, I don't really like, it's not like I want to know, like I don't want lost to be shattered with like a convention with the cast of lost, you know what I mean, or you know, find out that the cast of deadwood are all really like normal guys. You know, like. (laughing) - Just chill, bro. He's talking about any of these. - You don't want to have the suspension of disbelief or I'm like, no, it's elsewhere, isn't it? - It is the, I mean, I don't know how many deadwood conventions there are because I haven't heard of you going to any. So I'm assuming they're none. But that lifestyle is interesting. I just, - I think our conventions were like tightest well ever. We'll go and be like, I sign autographs and some people ask for like, - Bosch. - Bosch and some people ask for. - Bosch legacy. - And some people ask for deadwood. And the two parts I played on deadwood. - But he's like, mostly Bosch. - Yeah. - I saw that Sheryl and Fen was beefing with the organizers of a like a David Lynch/Twin Peaks convention about like not showing up but basically being like, I didn't want to appear there because some of the actors barely knew David and didn't work with him. And now they're all like, sketching on his legacy, didn't name names. - She was appearing at a Twin Peaks season two screening that was happening in Portland, Azerbaijan. - Did you big time her? - No. - Really like I bet she's wondering who I am and who I played on Twin Peaks season two. - Yes. It's me, the log lady. - Couple of the things. I just wanted to mention that Sterling Point probably unremarked upon other than our first initial comments on the show has kind of become the show of the summer in some districts. - Yeah. - And Kai's district in my house's district where I have, I would say sons of Anarchy style, passively participated in the show. - Okay, meaning it's been airing. - I know what happens in the waiting room of your home. - I can tell when there's a sex scene. - How? - There's very specific music that YA, these YA shows use during sex scenes that I can only describe as like, Hollister's safe trap music or something. - Sure. - And so I can always hear like, oh, like it seems like all the dialogue is dropped out except for the weekends. - And then you come running with your binoculars. Is there-- - And I kick in the door. - Cooley man, the room. Is the reverse also true, meaning when Phoebe is in the other room and she hears system of a down, she knows that the lionesses are in the tub together again. - They don't do that. That's not, first of all, that's-- - First of all, that's disrespectful. - They'll play SOAD. - Okay, sorry. - Second of all, those are two women who've given a lot to this nation, you know, and frankly-- - They're a little dirty, right? So they're considering more than just their own needs. - And when they're about to consummate their relationship, they get called back to duty. - No. - Who called them? - The president. - The president? - The president. - There was like ladies. Pick up the soap. Your country needs you. - Sterling Point has been renewed. - You want, you want out of that. You just fucking-- - I'm waiting for Vanna. I don't want to use all my good material on you. - I can't fare for you. (laughing) - Can we edit Vanna into this? - Yeah, let's talk Sterling Point for a second. - Megan Parks, YA series set in a lake in, you know, very seen a Canada, an intoxicating summer show, I will say. And this is now a couple of summers in a-- I mean, like obviously summer, I turn pretty, I'm like-- - Show people your shirt. - T-shirt today. - I thought you were hiding it. - Well, I wore it because I wanted to make this point, which is like, we're now in like fully like Amazon puts a summer like teen post high school show on. And it seems to run shit. - Yes, my, the expression on my 13 year old's face when I told her that the Outer Banks S5 screeners had dropped in our Netflix queue was memorable. - Did she know about the Outer Banks prequel? That's coming, that will-- - Thank you for asking this. - Go to the origins of the social divides of this town? - It's gonna actually finally explain class and how it functions in America. (laughing) I texted her that information yesterday and she was at a friend's house. Stony silence. Stony, not even dots. But that's modern parenthood, you know? I guess I have to, she'll have to learn about class the old fashioned way. - From Scott, that's it. - I don't really have a ton to say. I found the, Kaya, please feel free to jump on my queue. - 'Cause Kaya, what was your, the whole season dropped, right? On Amazon. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And Kaya, where are you? - And how quickly did you-- - I think I'm like four, four, five episodes in there, like 45 minutes and five, eight episodes, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think I'm like the halfway mark. - There's a lot of confusing storylines about parentage in this show. Like there's a little bit of like, you could sometimes tell when these series start or series start and they're like, you know, let's throw five plots out here and let's see if what free we wanna continue in the second season. - Yeah. - But there's like an inheritance, there's a bunch of confusing like, is this my half sister or like actually my sister or what? - Because the main character played by Ella Rubin, is that right? Something like that? - Yeah, I think so. - No way of us finding out on air. - But I'm trying to be less, I'm trying to be more present. - I appreciate that. She is a-- - Annie, she's from, she's a going under a senior of high school. - She has a twin brother, they are adopted. - Yeah. - And motherless, the mother passed away. They're adopted mother or so they think. And they're living a life of antiseptic luxury in a white box in New York. This is my biggest bump on the show that no one had ever set foot in until they showed up with set deck and a bowl full of pairs. - This really wasn't a problem for me. - This was a huge problem for me. - My biggest problem is when you're like, teenagers live in this house, would you like a pair? Just come on, just scuff up the floors a little bit. And then she finds out maybe there's a mystery of her lineage and her grandfather has left her in Ireland and she flies 45 minutes to Toronto. And then-- - That's the first step. - Then a lifetime of adventure. - Yeah, and she meets a lot of characters out there. - But your point, she doesn't know who's related to her. That's the question, like who her-- - No, she's inherited this island, but when she goes around asking people about her grandfather, there's a lot of like, oh, well, I knew him. You know, like, there's a lot of like, he seems to have, and there's just a lot of stuff about her mom and look, it's also a love triangle. And there's Rory and what's the other guy's name? The hot guy replies-- - Alice, Alice, Rory and Alice. - Do you know what it sounds like the show needs to sort of sort things out? Mr. Sinister. 'Cause his whole thing is genetics and who's related to who? So do you know what I mean? Like, Nathaniel Milbury from neighboring Ontario has arrived. - Trying to build the perfect Juppie. - Yes. - Plenty of pairs. But from what I watch, I found it very entertaining. - Yeah, I had a different experience with it, which is, I was like, I'm excited to watch this with my 13-year-old, 'cause she likes these Amazon shows. We didn't, we basically made it mostly to the end of the first episode. It didn't click with her yet. My guess is that she will then discover, like, it's maybe more of a solo journey later. But the really positive thing about it was, we immediately launched into the OC. Now, I don't know if you-- So this is Megan Park's show. She made the film, my old ass. - And I thought, and she's got another feature coming, and I thought, a bunch of the behind-the-scenes stuff I saw from Sterling Point, I really dig how she works, which I wonder is not dissimilar from the way Josh Schwartz worked, which is who you're gonna mention in a second, where she seems to very much like bring the actors playing these younger people into the process, so that the dialogue sounds realistic, that the blocking feels real, that the everybody, I think they're trying to make it feel as sort of organic as possible. - So this show was shepherded by executive produce by Josh, and his longtime producing partner, Stephanie Savage. They've both been on the pot a bunch. And it was really fun to use engaging briefly with that show, maybe to return to launch into the OC, which my daughter had never seen, and I had not checked out in 20 years, and it really holds up. It was really fun. - Now, how long does the OC hold water for, like seasons-wise? - Canonically or in a rewatch? Because-- - Canonically. - I think canonically it began to, I mean, they made something like 26 episodes, their first story. - I know, yeah. - It's outrageous. It's, you know, that is approaching three plus seasons of Sterling Point in a very brief period of time that they made those episodes. - Yeah. - As someone who was, I mean, I first met Josh writing about the second season of that show for GQ, and it was in a bit of a lull, I would say creatively. And then, from what I remember, it rebounded closer to the end when future terminal list are Chris Pratt joined in his first role. And Summer went to Brown, you know, so then I could finally quite kind of really feel seen on the show. And it's important to me. Representation matters, Chris. I mean, at that time, you remember putting Brown people on a Fox show was rare, so it was good. Did you uh. - No, so I think canonically, but again, it's really interesting watching this. This is something we always fall back on, but I remain intrigued by it that young people watch everything no matter what air it's from, as if it was summer I turned pretty. So, for example, the other day, she's like, "Oh, my friends are really into modern family." I guess I better started episode one. - Yeah. - Like, it is eight. And I was like, "You don't have to have to." - Season one's quite good. - Season one is great. She was laughing it up. But my point being, the consumption of the ocean, you don't have to watch this thing as if it's like, I missed an episode of True Detective, now I don't understand the mystery. - That said, in the OC, when Carcosa emerged from a hellmouth in Newport Beach was a really weird dip. No, but I also think that time can be kinder to the growing pains of a very intense production period in the sense that if you like the OC, you're going to like all 56 episodes one way or another, maybe more, maybe some more, maybe some less, but you are not waiting for it and you don't have that same expectation, disappointment rollercoaster is what I'm proceeding as she's plowing the show. - I think it would be a fun project for us, one of these days to pick, not at random, but a season of TV or show that we liked. - That we used to like. - I mean, what is the experience of watching 22 episodes of this? Like to just look at like how the storytelling structures have changed, how the mechanics change, how does the show feel now? But just like more from a nuts and bolts perspective rather than like, oh, does Miami Vice season two hold up? - The degree to which, I mean, plot was everything. Plot was like, spice on Arrakis, basically, in the classic TV days. We watched the first, I think two or three episodes together and then by the time, by the time we were sitting back down on the couch, she was on episode like 15. And-- - Are you watching them at faster speeds? - No, but she's watching them. Like when the TV goes off, I think then it goes on the phone and then she's just still grinding them. But not even 15, by like episode eight or nine, it's like Luke, who I last saw punching Ryan with his pukeschel necklace being like welcome to the OC bitch, is now sleeping with Marissa's mother, dealing with a fallout of his father being gay and like friends with Ryan. And then Jimmy is now opening a restaurant with Sandy and also sleeping with Caitlin's sister who they discover as a stripper at an LA party that they're invited to when Colin Hanks playing a lightly-medifictional version of Seth Cohen invites them to. It's just November. Do you know what I mean? That's how fast they had to service this place. - Right, let's talk about another show that I think has legs to be long running. It's already in third season. It's on Netflix and it's tires. - Okay. - It is, Shane Gillis and John McKeever's sitcom set at a tire shop in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, a place. - A place you haven't had been on many field trips? - Yeah, field trips. I don't know that I've ever spent a lot of time in Valley Forge, but it's very recognizable to me. This is a show that I think had like a fine first season, an excellent second season and a very, very so far, so good like on same level third season. Here's what I like about it. - Okay. - There is no reason for Shane Gillis to make this show. It's not 1995 anymore. Standard comedians don't need sitcoms to be their platforms. Shane Gillis can sell out the link, so he's good. I think he's got more money than he probably knows what to do with. And there's no reason for him to do this show, and there's no reason for this show to be this good, or to look this good, or to feel this like lived in. And it's just fucking, I mean, aside from the fact that it's so fucking funny, I love the usual, what they're doing with this is the same thing that they do with great sitcoms, which is like, the first season is usually very star and one A star dependent. And then as it goes on, like you start getting more and more character beats for like the tertiary, the secondary characters. And at least in the first few episodes of this season, my MVP is Stavvy. - Yeah, he's amazing. - Who plays a, not rival, but like another tire shop manager in the Valley Forge tire shop family, who's in recovery for sex addiction. And also trying to bring down Will and Shane, their shop. - Now, I don't want to begin our conversation by talking about factionalism, but is that okay for you to come out as pro-stavvy being very firmly in the Adam Friedland camp? - I think it's all love in the hometown divorce. - I think it's all love, yeah. - You sure? - Yes, I think it was a conscious uncoupling, not A. - There's nothing to read into this 'cause I know you're deep in those streets. - The Adam or the streets of hometowns. - Just the hometown diaspora, the basin, if you will. (laughing) That's kind of where you've set up shop. - Adam might be a guest on this show pretty soon. - Is that a threat? - I'm just telling you, Adam and I want to talk about the Josie Merino documentary and the Pep Guardiola documentary, and I think this might be the platform for you. - I think that might be. - Yeah, that's fine. - What did you think of tire season three? - Well, I-- - Did you watch season two at all? - No, we watched season one, and I didn't, it was like six episodes, it was a drop, and I thought it was fine. And I didn't feel particularly motivated to go into it. Also, back then, I was really, really a resistance lib, and I thought it was really important to signal that this show wasn't for me. - Yes. - It's been a vibe shift, as we said at the top. - And now I'm-- - I've had a lot of Amy McGrath stock today. - I am now. (laughing) - You're upside down. (laughing) - Who's your favorite lost cause that you gave money to? - I don't know, but a friend who shall remain nameless. - Yes, I know who he is. - Put some money into a billboard in Utah, trying to bring down, I believe, Jason Chaffetz. - Sure. - I'm still trying to figure out what went wrong with Sarah Gideon. Okay, that's my true detective season five. - She's going against-- - She was the one who ran against Susan Collins and like all the polls, like we will make a difference. And I was like, well, it's New England. I'm sure they're reasonable. And Susan Collins won by like 16. (laughing) Somehow, Susan Collins has returned. So, no, jokes aside about that. What I was, so I didn't engage in season two. I watched season three, or beginning of it, I watched the first few episodes. And instantly, like, there are just some things that are very clear, and it's what you said, which is that if there is any orthodoxy or ideology of this show, it's of a classic workplace hang sitcom. And in a very strange way, the comp that I was feeling after watching the first few was really more like more to industry, which is, this show has nothing in common with industry, although they do talk about Dixilot in both. It was really more that one of the pleasures of watching industry was watching people who were incredibly talented, who had a very strong point of view, figure out the capabilities of the vehicle they were driving. And watching the beginning of season three, and seeing them discover in real time, how much mileage you can get out of putting some of these characters in upside down unexpected situations, how much you can get just from a certain cutaway in a look at a certain time. Just what you can generate from mining these little runners of possibility within characters that they now feel very comfortable playing, was really, really pleasurable. And then I got to the end of the first episode, the episode ends, and I would say if you are on the fence about the show, you could probably advise people on the right episode to start with. It might be season two. - I would just go, I mean, I would say season two is a market improvement on season one, which felt like almost an extended pilot of them, like being like, look, we can make this. - Exactly. And I thought that the season premiere of season three was lower on jokes, so if you're watching it to be like, I want to see a fun-- - It's always lower on jokes than two and three of season three. Until the episode ends that says, like, you know, McEver or whatever it says at the end directed by it, and then it cuts to a bit from 2021, in which a man working at the Valley Forge tires is like, I think I'm going to take off next week and go see my president give a speech. (laughing) - And Gillis is like, you should definitely do that. You should go, and then the other guy's like, don't go into the capital. And she's like, it's your building, man. - It's your house. - It's your house, you should go. - That's the people's house. - And he's like, you know what, you should bring a gun. And the guy's like, yeah, it's my second amendment right. I'm going to go. And he's like, you might need to stay longer than a day then. - And he was like, you can have the sixth off, and you might need a few weeks after that. (laughing) - It's really funny. - Yeah. - So, I-- - Stovey's run in the first episode where he plays Dave, and he's in a sex act anonymous, not so anonymous class session. And it's just really good, man. It's just really good work. He's in, we haven't talked about it, but he's also in Tony-- - He's amazing in Tony. He's a great, I'm very pro-stovey. I think he's great and everything he is, he's in. But like, the thing that I was really appreciating in these few episodes was that Shane Gillis's, the reason I really wanted to reengage was because the thing that has become my comfort binky in low moments is his couple of beers commercial from SNL last year or year and a half ago, which I think is so funny, but also he's incredible in it. Like, I think he's a really good and funny performer. So I was eager to see this. And what I appreciated from these first three episodes was there is a self-awareness and kind of a sly winking about what people think of him and what he's actually doing, it's. woven in these episodes in a way that I kind of, that I really appreciate it. Your point about he doesn't need to do this. He definitely doesn't need to. But it does seem like a really, really successful way for him to communicate a fuller picture. - Yes. - Then if he's doing one joke in a stand-up bit that gets aggregated or if he's, or if he just like any good citizen, it tends like a sporting contest on the White House lawn. Like, who among us wouldn't do that? - I just get the impression the plus for him in this is that it used to be your stand-up, you start to develop an audience. Somebody from the network comes and says, "What if we made a show called Shane?" And it was about a guy who's, you know, like a substitute teacher, but is also like trying to get his life together in Philly or whatever. And it's like shot on a soundstage in Studio City. And instead of getting noted to death and all this stuff and all this process, it seems like more and more. Guys like Gilles can go ahead and be like, "I'm making this show." - For sure. - We're like outfitting a garage. We're gonna shoot all of this, like a location. - He could have done this on YouTube. - And then you can, and then I will sell it to you for the door being at price. - Yes. - And like my guy is directing all of it. We are writing it together. Like Steve Garben, who probably would not be the lead of a sitcom, or narrowly, but is an extraordinary performer and character within the context of tires. Like they made all those creative decisions and bet on themselves and it paid off. And I admire that. - I think the vibe is more, it's always sunny, not just 'cause it's Philadelphia Jason, but it's like, these guys were gonna do this anyway. - Yes. - But it bit seriously though. Like the thing Steve Garben as will, like the third episode and the third season when they go to a women and business thing. And he's the happiest he's ever been with the more traditionally, like the women and the wives and he's wearing, he gets, they dress him up again. And he's very happy. And I genuinely feel this is a fan of comedies and why we like to watch these characters. The fact that he was really happy was a sign that the show knows what it's doing on a deeper level. He was not just pointing and laughing at him, although Shane shows up and points and laughs at him. - Did you like the B plot of that episode where Shane and Cal are trying to revisit their old haunts and it turns out to be a family fun center? - Yes. - Like can we get beat? - I felt like there was a real Pattinson Primetime kind of overlap possibility there in that scene. So you know I'm there for that. - But he was like, this is the best man. We're just two guys. He's gonna rip some sages and drink some beers and then no wife to tell us what to do. And they're like, yeah, but it would be cool to have someone who loved you. - But then when they're in the bathroom and they're at the urinals and Shane talks about how he feels like he's shrinking as he grows older. And when he was a kid, he thought he was Simba and gonna grow up to run the jungle and then a small child emerges from the stall. - It's funny. - It's funny, man. - It's funny, but it also is, like rhythmically, like they just know what they're doing. And I really, it's smarter than I was to give you. - I know nobody gives a shit, but it's a gauntlet I think thrown to like other comedians who were like, I'll do sitcom. Like makes something cool like this. Makes something kind of- - With your pals? - Yeah, makes something with your pals. Like try and make it look interesting and make it feel lived in and we'll be watching. - But do you know what I mean though? And I don't mean that there's anything like calculated about this in terms of like he's not trying to like, sane wash himself for like, I think the vibe from the show is a pure, what I imagine- - I think it cares at all about that. - That's what I'm saying. I think it is a pure expression of he's like, I wanna make something with my friends. It is fundamentally insane that people put microphones in my face and ask me about things that I only think about when they ask me about them. And I'm gonna run at that a little bit in a kind of a teasing and winking way and disarm you with what we actually end up doing. I think that they're, 'cause he's not, it's not as successful or believable brand to be like, I don't know, I'm just a guy. But I mean, that's, although honestly, you've been fucking crushing it. Kudos. But it's not for everyone. But I think that he, I think that it is canier than people give him credit for it. And I really enjoy it. - I don't need to have an opinion on everything, do I? - No, wait, you mean politically or tires? - Or anything, yeah, like when people are just like, I fucking hate when restaurants do that, I'm like, yeah, I've never thought about that. First of all, I have text receipts that you do care about when restaurants do that. - Okay, restaurant is not an example. - Yeah. - I guess I do a lot of the opinions. - You have so many opinions. But I agree with you that I think that as the stunning fall of Alexander Vindman proves, we may be turning the page on an era when everyone has to be the fucking avatar. - I didn't say that, you said that. (laughing) - What? - About the resistances that we talking about. - That's always been your thing. - No, that's your bit. - No, no, no. - But Alexander Vindman up. I mean, we have the other one who propped up his campaign. - Well, I had to look for an interesting place to put my money. - You know what you care about, electability? - Let's wrap it up there. - Are you sure? - I think it's been a cool pod and we have some other stuff to take care of from Monday show. - Okay. - So I think it's cool. - Thank you to Kai, Kaya, and Sarah. And we'll be back on Monday with a full boat of lanterns, lionesses, and furioses. (upbeat music) (upbeat music)
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