84. Is JK the A-hole and Garmin’s Latest Product

Sheesh. All right. What is up? You said no reaction. Now you're reacting. All right. What is up, folks? Anywho, welcome. Welcome back. Episode 84, Lifting, Running, and Living with your favorite podcasters, Kelly. Hello. Hey, and me, JK, the one who doesn't react when there's a delay in the opening countdown. You did react. You said sheesh. Nobody would have known that. Anyways, nobody would have known that. It's going to be the first thing they hear. Okay. I'm the editor, so I control this. Remember when that was a thing, the sheesh? Remember when that was a thing? I don't even know why it was a thing. Why is anything a thing? Why is 6-7 a thing? Oh, yeah, and that's completely played out now in my realm. Yeah. All right. We're going to start off for the usual with a couple of updates. We're going to start off with a couple of updates on some things that we've got going on, and then we'll chat a bit about a new device from Garmin that both of us were a bit like, wait, what? They did what? They released what? We didn't have any idea this was even a thing. And then we're going to recap or we're going to discuss a post that I commented on on threads, and one of the comments that I got, and we're going to ask, like, am I the a-hole in this situation? And I'm fully, fully open to be. I'm fully open to being perceived as the a-hole in this position, in this conversation. So let's kick things off. So, Kelly, what have you had going on since we last spoke? So I've got two updates since we last spoke. The first one, yesterday, Sunday, August 9th, I had my first one-mile race of this half of the year. Yeah. Packed half of the year, yeah. Yeah. And last time when we were recording, I was talking about how the weather might be questionable, and the weather did, in fact, decide it would spike back up to be very hot on Saturday and Sunday, like 100 degrees hot, Saturday at least. Yeah. So that was great. Also, there's been smoke from the Pacific Northwest, I think, or Utah. Hmm. But the AQI was under 100 on Sunday. So it was, I didn't notice anything. So that was good, but it was hot. And my race didn't start until 840. So that's mostly why I was concerned about the heat, because 840 on a summer morning in Colorado with full sun out, you know, that's you're cooking. Right. Yeah. But mainly, so I talked about the time trial I did, but I didn't talk about the time trial. I didn't talk about the time trial. I talked about the May, right, with Meg and Sarah around the track. I think so. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. Where I ran 651, I think, that day. So my goal as people, if you've been listening, I've been trying to break seven minutes in an official capacity for years now. So that was my goal. And after the time trial, I knew it was possible. Granted, the track is flat, and we were running around a lake. Which was not flat, but it wasn't like hilly, but just not a track surface that has no variation. So that was mainly my goal, but I didn't really feel great going into it. So that was a little concerning. I just felt like more tired and sore than usual. And I was concerned that I had done too much on Wednesday at our Wednesday track morning. But like, I don't know. I don't know. I Like, workout-wise, I didn't. On paper, it didn't look like too much. So, it was kind of a weird. On paper, okay. Like, compared to other workouts I've done in past weeks, it was more chill. Like, I did some 200s fast and then some two miles at, like, just under eight-minute pace. Which, my last 5K, I ran at, like, 720 pace. But, like, just under eight-minute pace for a mile isn't, like, the hardest thing. Okay. So, I was feeling tired going into this. None of my friends were doing it, so that might have contributed. But, you know, you've heard me talk about this. There's something that happens to me on the start line that I turn into a different person. I'm well aware. I'm well aware. This will shock no one at all. Yeah. So, I chose to do the community race. There was a community race and two competitive heats. But, you, like, choose which one you want to be in. And, usually, the competitive, they put a, like, pace you're aiming to hit. And, I can't remember what it said this time, but it's usually, like, 630 or faster. So, I never sign up for competitive because I'm not 630 or faster. But, the funny thing about community races, is no one wanted to stand. And, in the front, when we started. So, I was in the front. Huh. Okay. Like, right on the start line. And, I did not win the race. So, I don't know what people were doing. Everyone's just scared of the start line, I guess. Yeah. But, it was brutal. I had my nice playlist going. I ran the course as part of my warm-up. So. They, in chalk, had marked where a quarter mile, half mile, three quarters of a mile, and, obviously, the finish had an arch, were, so that was really nice. So, I ran the course for my warm-up, so I knew what to expect, and where, like, the tiny little inclines were. So, I was like, well, I guess I'm just going to rip it and see what happens. I decided not to look at my watch at all, even though we had the markings of where we were in the mile. Um. And, then, yeah, it felt very hard, just like the time trial. But, maybe ever so slightly less hard, probably because there were other people around, which, you know, it's always fun to try to catch people. But, once I hit, like, three quarters of a mile, my brain just stopped thinking. Because, I was listening to music, I couldn't tell you what I was listening to from that point through the finish. Interesting. My only objective was. Um, to beat the boy in front of me. Fair. Fair enough. To finish really hard. Um, I did pass the boy. And, I found out later, he was a 15-year-old boy from the results. Oh, my gosh. I know. He, he straight up looked like he was jogging in front of me for a bit, and I was like, I can't let him beat me. And, then, like, I started to go past him, and he started to respond. And, I was like. I was like, I need to lay the hammer down here. And, then, he did not respond, luckily. Oh, my gosh. Kid can't even legally drive, but okay. The poor kid. Yeah. Um, after the race, I went up to him, and I was like, thanks for pushing me. He just kind of looked at me. He was with his dad, I assume. Um, they were both like, okay. He was like, okay, old lady. I was like, I'm just trying to be nice. You were helping me run faster. Um, but, my official time was 6.49. 9.5. Hey. Dang. Yeah. So, that was really exciting. Wow. Because this was an official one-mile race. Um, and my watch measured exactly a mile, and I trust the course measurings. Um, so, officially did the sub-seven, and now I need to continue forth and go faster. Good job. Thank you. Dang. All right. Yeah. And then, my next mile race is in a month. So, that's a good amount of time, I think, to hone it in. Similar type of course, or is it a track, or what is it? I think this one's just a road point-to-point, but I'll have to check. It's either point-to-point or, like, an out-and-back on a straight road. Gotcha. Which would still require a 180-degree turn if it's out-and-back, but yeah. And I'm hoping in September. It'll be a little cooler, but who knows at this point with our weather. Fair enough. Yeah. But, all in all, I was very pleased with that. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And, obviously, immediately after the fact, I was like, you know what? I think I could have gone faster. Of course you did. It's just the classic runner thought afterwards. Yeah. That tracks. That totally tracks. Yeah. But it was fun. For anyone listening, if you are in the Denver area, Denver Athletics put on this race series. I highly recommend their races, so everyone should check it out. Their next one will be sometime in November for the Wash Park circuit. Yeah. Yeah. I'll miss that one, but cool. I know you will, but you never know who's listening. You're right. You are right. Yeah. Yeah. So that was one update feeling good. And then have you tried GoWOD? I have not. And I'm not sure that I know for sure what it is. It sounds familiar, but there's also like so many different things. You probably do. It's very big in CrossFit. Yeah. What is it? So GoWOD is a mobility app. That's what I thought, but I was, yeah, I was really questioning that just because, oh, ROMWOD is what I was thinking of before. R-O-M-WOD was a thing. Yeah. Are you using GoWOD now? Yeah, I just started yesterday. Oh, okay. Nice. Okay. Okay. Well, see what happened was, what happened? We got the race photos back. Yeah. And I've noticed in photos of myself, ROMWOD. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've noticed running my stride looks very short and i know i've said this to you you've never witnessed it i have very long legs which could be why my stride is shorter because like what's your inseam we've been over this it's like 33 or 34 oh that's right that's right yeah i remember it was longer than mine yeah it's very long um but so then i was i thought about our conversation a couple pods ago when you were like do you do mobility and i was like i do these things sometimes you're like you don't do mobility and i was like okay and then um so part of why my stride looks so short is well it's my ankles but like the the position where your foot the push off like your hip is fully extending you're pushing off the ground obviously my ankle mobility sucks so i think i come off the ground earlier okay um and then it makes it look like my hip isn't extending as much as it should so i was like is this a hip thing or is it because of my ankles i should do some mobility for both of these things gotcha so um i decided to try out go odd especially because at work we have the monthly wellness reimbursement um so i can have some of it covered that's awesome love that benefit yeah it's really nice so i did a mobility assessment last night after i lifted and there's nothing wrong with my hips they're actually super mobile okay which isn't i shouldn't be surprised right now i'm sitting like in the position that they do the mobility test for okay come through shakira all right that's the like only thing i've got going for me that's not true hips um my hips are very mobile okay let's see i'm gonna pull it up my score was like 78 i think it's compared to other women my age if i had to guess um but they do okay so shoulders was 70 overhead was 78 thorax was 89 hips were 98 post chain was 83 then ankles were 50 dang okay yeah um so i already knew about my ankles i learned that shoulder internal rotation very not mobile there who are you talking to me too the test they made me do i was like my arm doesn't move this way um the only reason i don't have 104 hips is my abductions because i can't do the splits oh okay yeah tough crowd okay but like internal flexion and external rotation 100 i can go the full range of motion that's pretty cool yeah and so obviously ankles are my weak point but so the reason i want to try this is because i watch ali o's um youtube videos and she had an ad for go wad in one of her recent ones um and i actually watched the ad for once normally i fast forward but i was i think i was multitasking so i was like half paying attention but she was showing how she uses it and what i like about it is they have like a daily flow personalized to what you need to work on based on your mobility test and then you choose an option of how much time you have and the options are 8 minutes 15 minutes and 22 minutes so i'm like there's no day where i don't have eight minutes right to do this right you know um yeah that's good i do like following something um and they have notifications obviously like every app so i have no excuse not to not to work on my mobility now yeah that's that's good and it's follow along style even better it's nice yeah sounds pretty legit yeah i'll i'll give a formal review after a month you know yeah once it's not uh something i started yesterday that i'm excited about but in general when do you plan to do those sessions after work okay before you brick this from brick yep well there's a three hour time frame between work and brick so yes before i brick okay all right or i'll just unbrick maybe i'll today add it not using my emergency on brick oh oh okay no i wouldn't do that the flabbers were gassed it yeah okay got you okay i'm usually home austin for a minute okay gotcha no i don't have i don't think there's any okay yeah does and does it require or have an option for any sort of implements that you might need to use like a pvc pipe or a band or a rack yes anything like that it did ask me what equipment i have and it had ball foam roller band and percussion gun okay and then along with like the daily flow that i'm using the They also have some activate before training. So I put in my sports. I put in mid-distance running and long-distance running. And then recover after training. And then they've got a library if you want to, like, look. But the activate before training, I think, will be interesting. Just to see what I can add into, like, my warm-up for running. Yeah. I don't normally do. Definitely sounds legit. I'd be interested to hear how it goes. Let's see. And your cost. So premium is $14 a month or $125 per year. Yep. Which I know you said you had it through. Had something to work. But, yeah, just throwing it out there for the folks who might have some interest themselves. Yeah. Especially if. Yeah, it's about $14-ish a month. Yeah. And when you put in your sport, it tells you, out of 10, like, how prepped you are for your sport, mobility-wise, which is kind of cool. Yeah. And then you can go into detail. It says, like, for me, it's, like, your ankles are passable. Wow. Wow, okay. Which obviously, that's, like, ankles and hips, I would say, are probably the most important for running. Yeah, this very well might be something that a couple of the guys from my gym use. Yeah. In the morning. Yeah, looks very familiar. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's cool. Yeah, so I'm excited. Cool. Yeah, that's all I got. All right. What about you? Word. Well, let's see here. I'll just give an update on what's going on from a body recomp standpoint. So as of this recording, a little bit over four weeks into a one-year, 52-week-ish, 12-month body recomp. So, you know, it's a little bit of a jump journey. So month number one was about getting some sort of a baseline for what my actual maintenance, calories, and activity would be. So goals that I set for month number one, one, I'm using Macrofactor as my app still. So, tracking, I think I don't have that in front of me, but I, actually, let me pull up my chart. Or I'm not pulling up my Macrofactor chart. I'm pulling up just my summary of my tracking chart. I pretty much tracked from July 12th until now. Yeah, I've pretty much tracked just about every day except three. So, yeah, pretty much tracked the majority. I'd say that counts as tracked the majority of the month so that I could get a better understanding of what's my actual intake. So it gave me maintenance calories. And then I. allowed myself to not like I was about to say free ball it that's not what I was gonna say just yeah I allowed my I didn't allow myself to just like yeah whatever but also had some flexibility so what I was able to do it looks like I basically stuck around 150 to 200 within 150 to 200 of the calories the calories range that they gave me over by the way of course so um that I got that figured out so at least now I've got a baseline for if I'm wanting to stay completely like weight stable then what my average calories would be around so I feel very good about where knowing where that number is and then from a steps perspective I had a goal of um the first couple of weeks I had put in 9 000 I think and then I was I was like far exceeding that so 10 000 has been my my baseline like what I wanted to get to over the past couple weeks and I think for the month yeah for the month I actually averaged about 12 000 just for for an average for sleep I wanted to establish a baseline of six hours or more of sleep which I know is like got people just all aghast when I posted that in my stories yeah so uh that for the month I averaged about 12 000 and then I averaged about 12 000 and then I averaged about 12 000 and then I averaged about six hours and 18 minutes of sleep for the month with the past two weeks being over six and six and a half and then six hours and 37 minutes so I've improved yeah as the month has gone on I've actually improved do you notice a difference yes I do I do notice a difference with getting more sleep I will say this um I notice a difference as far as um as I'm I'm noticing a difference just with throughout I'd say like the first part of the morning since I'm forcing like because basically what's happening is that I'm forcing myself like to stay in bed oh a little bit a little bit longer interesting so okay yeah so say if I have a natural wake up at like 3 45 then my rule is like have to give it 20 minutes and just lay there yeah like sometimes I'll put like some sort of a boring like audio only like words only podcast yeah or something like that and if I fall back asleep within 20 minutes then like I stay sleep but if after because I put the sleep timer on ah smart I think 15 yeah but basically that's what I do is I'm like okay if I fall back asleep within about within the 20 minutes or whatever then cool we're good to go but if I am still awake after 20 minutes like it's my body's ready to get up like it's don't fight it anymore yeah but I don't like to sit and scroll and you know whatever I'm just literally laying there so yeah I started doing that more consistently week number two and three and so I have noticed that so um yeah that it's still it just feels very awkward and foreign to me yeah um because I will still go and get a workout in on those days it would be like more of a cardio day or something like that on those days it takes me the thing that I don't enjoy is on those days it takes me longer to like get get in the mood with oh really yeah it it is not it sucks yeah it takes it takes me a lot longer yeah so I'm used to I don't know um initially like I'm just used to okay getting up and being a little like you know like kind of meh when I first wake up yeah and then slowly like ramping up and then by the time I've gotten to the gym that I'm ready to roll so with this I'm actually finding with getting more sleep it's taking me longer once I do get to the gym it takes me longer to feel like I'm in the mood to work out I don't know because I'm already like up and moving so it's just kind of I don't know it's kind of weird for me to get it's weird for me to get used to yeah just because I don't really yeah I don't know I like I enjoy I truly enjoy like getting up getting moving prior to anybody else like most people being yeah still sleep and not being you know like no traffic on the road no nothing I like I like leaving the house when it's dark like I just yeah so it's it has taken some adjustment and even what I've done a few mornings is like get up and then once I'm like up then come downstairs and actually do some programming work and catch up on a couple of things and then get ready to go to the gym and I think that might be what's kind of what's kind of setting the changing the mood a bit as opposed to starting my day off with the workout and starting my day off with the workout and starting my day off with work but that was again that was like one of the reasons that I had moved to like that different training split too yeah so that I could get stuff done for work and kind of do more of the hey let's get this stuff done before going to work out so that is hard yeah still figuring yeah still figuring it out for sure but to to finish this out like water wise I had set a goal of about a hundred it's somewhere between a hundred to a hundred and four hundred pounds and five ounces as my baseline I say between that because I started at a hundred and I was consistently hitting that so then I bumped it to 105 so um for the month the last this past week that we just went through I was really loose with the tracking um but overall the month from what I did track averaged out to 100.4 so I basically feel like I pretty much hit that and then my weight pretty much stayed stable throughout um throughout the the month from like week one to week two to week three to week four it fluctuated anywhere between like 0.4 to one pound swing for the most part so at this point now what's next is I'll generally spend the next four weeks in a slight deficit okay like just just slight um and you'll tell you can tell me if this is unhinged or not and then we'll move to um we'll move to the am I the a-hole maybe yeah um so for this next month what I'm doing is I have so I have my calorie number and I purposely don't unless somebody like reaches out specifically I don't really talk a lot about like exactly how many calories yeah just because I just don't think that that's the most important thing yeah um so I've got my calorie number okay then I'm giving myself uh let's say it's about a 50 to 100 calories but or actually it's 70 to 100 calorie buffer okay above that any so this is what I threw out to my accountability partner it's like any anything that I consume above like that top end then I have to take that and donate that to a charity so for example yeah give me an example let's say that somebody's calorie budget is 2,000 that's not mine sure but let's say it's 2,000 yeah then on Monday if I'm over if I finish at 2,020 calories that is 20 dollars that I'll need to donate oh you're doing a dollar per calorie dollar yeah as of right now I already regret it that might be unhinged yeah I think I think it I think it's yeah I I uh I had messaged him today and I was like dude I am already regretting this this is this sucks yeah so yeah it's an idea it's an idea yeah well keep us posted on how that goes yeah we'll we'll see I don't know if I was if I was a person on the outside I'd be like that that doesn't sound like a very healthy thing to do but we'll see but it I think it'd also be different if I was under eating quite a bit or whatnot and that's certainly not the case like in any way shape or form yeah so I'm not I'm nowhere near like starving myself or anything like that no um it's just more of like what's like what accountability is there for me to stay within within at least a reasonable range yeah you know so yeah we'll we'll see I also am likely I mean it's there's probably what I know we've got a trip I've got a two-day trip and whatnot so there's a couple of days where I'm not going to track it on those specific days I'm gonna I um I'm gonna make sure that I have my basic stuff in place which is like for some combination of four fruits and or vegetables three servings of protein like that sort of thing so on days like that it would be something like I don't know I'd be like hey if I don't if I don't hit one of those categories then it's like five bucks or something like that I don't know yeah yeah yeah that's less unhinged yeah yeah I know a dollar per calorie as soon as I came up with the idea I was like that is really dumb yeah you can do another conversion version you know you're making yeah i could yeah i definitely could so i could you know i could it could be like 10 cents or something too but also i don't know sometimes i like to try random things that's one of the to me that's one of the benefits of being generally in a pretty good place you can just do random things sometimes and just kind of see what happens you know all right yeah so yeah that is what i've got going on all right um yeah all right so um let's do the yeah so let's see if i can well i'll pull up the text that i sent you and then i'll try and i'll try to find the thread again because i wasn't sure okay so oh that's not the thread hold please all right we'll do this we might yeah okay um okay so on threads somebody posted what did they post um yeah okay so yeah somebody posted my husband started eating slightly less cheese at night and has lost six pounds men are the worst okay funny right like that was funny that's kind of funny yeah and that is the stereotypical experience absolutely okay so you it caught my eye one because it was funny yeah and two because it at the time it had 16 almost 17 000 likes and it had like 200 something comments and i was like let me see what these comments are all about okay so in just a handful of the comments the ones that i screenshot at least just because i was like this am i going to be the a-hole here because i did make a comment yeah i know and i'm okay being the a-hole so one of the comments was mine started taking walks to quote-unquote regulate his stress and he lost 25 pounds just two 15 minute walks a day unbelievable then somebody was like my my husband stopped eating his nightly bowl of cereal about two years ago no exercise lost 60 pounds then another one i've lost track of the men i know who cut down their maybe six beers a week to two and lost 20 kilos or the ones who ate the same just front-loaded quote or in parentheses more in the morning and less at night and lost double that they're truly god's favorites um a couple more here women's bodies are designed for survival men's bodies are not then somebody said like genuinely with like the laughing emoji like i think this is one of the reasons men have such ridiculous ideas about how easy it should be for women to lose weight eat less exercise more only works for men um and then uh-huh and then one other one was this is why i never listened to weight loss or exercise tips for men they are working with a completely different operating system so okay as the a-hole i commented uh let me pull that part back up because that's the one that i sent you okay so i'm going to go ahead and i'm going to go ahead and i'm going to i commented something along the lines of i can't remember what it was but i just shoot i should have had this already screenshot but um what i said overall was something along the lines of like hey um i know that i'm probably going to get a bunch of like negative replies from this but i'm willing to like i'm willing to basically like take the shots here because i'm genuinely curious how does continuing to actually let me read bear with me guys for just a minute you gotta find the because i yeah yeah the verbatim yeah okay here we go i'm assuming i'm going to receive tough replies to this and i'm okay with that mostly because if i want to understand a point of view i need to ask questions where the answers are probably going to make me uncomfortable reading the original post and many of the comments how is any of this helpful at all i'm legitimately curious how you plan to take the next step towards your goals while putting more energy into this belief and so did you reply that to the original poster yes okay yep but i mean they're managing at that point it was 200 and something comments and that was days ago so lord only knows what they're dealing with when i saw it it was in the 900s oh sheesh okay yeah and so somebody you know i'm going to reply this post and the replies are made in jest and they and collective sympathizing understanding we're not here to talk about goals and calorie deficits and exercise it's not the right post for that so and another person said it's not a belief it's a real phenomenon how is it helpful to talk about it think about what goals people might have that are not body maxing related if i'm working my butt off with only modest change while someone else sees big gains with comparative comparatively little effort it's helpful to acknowledge that my character and effort are not what's to blame so that i don't get mired down in that it's about perspective so my response to that and my overall response like a couple of the replies that i put was a good amount of the replies are similar to in real life conversations that i've had so i assume some of the replies were actual real life examples make sense if i assumed wrong and then i replied to somebody else like i appreciate the opportunity to share the part i don't see as helpful is putting energy into the comparison i'm all for acknowledging that feelings of frustration my word are there it just seems like posts and in real life comments about that frustration get way more engagement and energy put into them and then of course i always get this one somebody replied like bro it's not that serious and i said fair enough because yeah oh that this was the one that like the person like went at me so he said considering you're a coach i feel bad for your feelings and i'm like well i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach i'm not a coach if you don't want to acknowledge the differences between men and women having have and losing weight or want them to talk about it this post helps women understand that they're not failing because they're not losing weight as quickly as their male partners that it's not because they're lazy and not not doing enough there's a time and place for everything this post is for grumbling in jest another post another day will be about goals and i just said thank you for your perspective were any of those the original poster nope not at all not at all so as i as i had commented um with my original like my original comment um i'm i mean i i at the time 200 something comments i realized like some of them were completely like just a joke like they were hilarious some of them were just like yeah my you know i and these are actual people in real life we're like i just don't get it literally my husband can just decide that they are just gonna stop like drinking what like they just drink one beer instead of their normal six pack and all of a sudden they're down like 50 pounds how does that happen they're like i simply like just breathe like i just sniff i inhale while i'm walking past dairy queen and i gain 20 pounds yeah and i get that that's the that's the joke and also i was legitimately like yeah okay and like how is how is it helpful to keep pouring more and more energy into this because there were to me some actual legitimate like comparisons that people were making that women were making to mostly like their husbands like he does this one little thing and he gets tons of results i work my tail off and nothing happens so i don't know am i the a-hole in that conversation am i the so where i think you went wrong is replying to the original poster oh yeah okay there's nothing in that original thread to me that says like i'm comparing what i'm trying to do to my husband versus like i'm making a funny thread about a universal experience for women like it's something that has come up a lot with like women joke about it um yeah but so i think that might be part of it and then like the people replying to you are obviously projecting whatever they're going through onto you it's cool but my perspective of the original post was it's not meant to help it's meant to entertain on threads and just like but if you had responded to some of the replies that you saw that were talking about what they're doing like why they're not seeing results i think that would have landed a little better you know what you're yeah i see where i went wrong i responded to it like it was a facebook post where other people would get yeah i totally yeah i did the unc move where i responded like it was facebook where other people in the thread would get would see that somebody responded yeah versus like the one that was like this is why i never listened to weight loss or exercise tips for men they are working with a completely different operating system that has like 5 000 likes and yeah and a whole lot of people who are like yeah exactly yep that you're right yeah i went about it all wrong wrong approach yeah because the comments there like exactly watching fitness bros barely able to make it through a single pilates class women do all that just to maintain and men men are sweating buckets by the end that's weird okay that's a weird one yeah that's a weird one yeah it's always eat less or move more the numbers are different but the laws of damage dynamics do not oh there's men oh that's the problem there's men arguing in the comments yep because somebody said in your comment is exactly why we won't listen to men this is this is for sure um yeah the the calories in calories out being the calories in calories out argument is for sure like if you let it it creates a massive divide between men and women in the fitness industry like big time but okay so you think basically like i just i was wrong from the jump with how i did it if i was if i was really looking to get actual perspective yeah i think that you approach the world with when someone says something like how can you help or like what are they saying that is or is not serving them yeah and people on threads people on threads are more like me sometimes i just say things to say things i don't want advice i don't want yeah digging into it um yeah that's you know what i see as the original post it was just like i'm throwing this out there because it's funny i know people will relate but i'm not like okay i'm not like down bad about it yeah like you want to know okay so my i i talked about this on the most recent episode of listen to make fitness make sense with your host coach jk mcclellan on my recent make fitness make sense episode because when i comment things on threads i'm doing it through the lens of if the people that i normally would talk to interact with were to read this post and then ask me questions about it i want them to already see the questions that i would have asked in the comment that i would have made yeah that's literally how i that's how i approach the the thing so i don't actually most of the time like i don't actually expect any sort of an answer yeah so that's that's how i approach all of my comments for the most for the most part that's because i'm i don't even know if it's like 50 and 50 but there's a portion on me that sometimes the portion of me that's just like commenting just a yap yeah and then there's a portion of me that is doing it from a from the perspective of if someone were trying to figure out what type of coach i am yeah that makes sense because that that way that i will comment that is like that is who i am so when like love it leave it or you know lease it and return it whatever when somebody comes to me and they're like this sucks this sucks this sucks i listen and then i'm like yeah i i see how that sucks what would you like to do about it yeah and then when they're i'm i'm not really ready to do anything about it okay fair enough then i won't i won't you know burn any more mental calories on on that that's cool and that's how i that's how i roll because i just i don't know it's uh like for the person that i i get those comments all the time where it's like bro it's not that serious i'm like well if it wasn't i understand that you don't think it's that serious if it wasn't that serious we wouldn't have a multi-billion dollar industry full of people that are stuck on the hamster wheel if it wasn't that serious that's true you know maybe it's not that deep because you keep staying on the surface like that might be your issue but i don't know i just thought i found the whole thing like it was just really funny just because it was just like it had been i don't think i had seen a post and comments like that that so accurately matched what people have said to me for years really oh years years yeah especially because i've primarily worked with women and primarily women who are in relationships and like a heterosexual relationship and it is like all i mean all the time all the time where it's like you know i feel like i have to do this that and the other meanwhile he just does this one little thing and it's like oh yeah i totally hear where you're coming from um what do you what do you want to do i'm gonna sabotage him or like you know like i hear you yeah i don't know it's just it was interesting to me because i do wonder like hey when you put more and more energy into that like it's one thing to to joke about it once or whatnot but when it's becoming like a consistent thing so that's that's me but you're right i i think i use threads differently than the average person yeah and you also went wrong in being a man commenting so yeah yeah many if you if you saw the percentage of posts that i could comment on that i don't compared to what i do comment on i comment maybe i mean five percent might be high wow yeah because threads i mean that algorithm is it algorithms like it knows it does what you're yeah and especially because i have like i think i follow the fitness threads yeah um topic or whatever it is yeah yeah whatever that is so yeah it knows what's up all right anyways um want to finish this out with the little garmin talk yeah some quick thoughts on garmin yeah so garmin has a new device well new to us device out called the garmin i believe it's pronounced circa c-i-r-q-a yeah so the garmin circa smart band this um it looks very very similar to the whoop and it's pretty much from my very quick perspective because i didn't even know it was a thing until a few days ago it's their answer to the whoop just like fitbit has come out with the fitbit air which is their answer or their um contribution i guess it would be to the screenless uh fitness tracker device family um differences the garments the the circa is $199.99 so $200 one-time cost there's no additional subscription on there and uh tracks tracks a lot of the same things so it'll track heart rate blood ox level um your body battery it'll do the sleep stages it does do steps because i had a question about that because it it piqued my interest at first i was like oh my god it's gonna cost me a lot of money because i'm like i don't have notifications for the most part on my watch at all because i have my phone on me all the time so when it comes to text messages and different things like that like that stuff i would get anyway so my my watch basically is on like do not disturb all the time um i primarily use it as a fitness tracker and then when i set an alarm i use the vibrate function on the watch for my alarm to wake me up if i need it but that's about it um in a quick in a quick scan it does seem like if you are looking to get a lot of integration with your workouts there seems to be a decent amount of questions or back and forth around um whether or not you need the connect plus subscription in order to have it integrate with your workouts as far as like your plus planning and things like that there's there's a lot more i'd i'd want to look at to like fully cover this but initially do you have um does this kind of pique your interest from what you've seen no not at all at all not at all okay i'm an aura girl you can pry this aura off my dead fingers the until garmin comes up with a ring i'm not wearing two devices on my wrist like that was one of my issues with whoop um that and the subscription $30 a month is kind of ridiculous in my opinion um somebody just asked me about or no they didn't no they did not someone posted on threads they had a question about like hey would you prefer apple watch or whoop and whatnot and my straight up was just like if you're going to be a data hoarder and not do anything with it stick with the apple watch yeah if you're going to actually use the data yeah then i would recommend Yeah, if you're going to actually do things with it and make adjustments. and you want like those cool PDFs that show you like progressions over months and things like that, I still think – I think Whoop's like fantastic. But unless that – but anyways. Yeah. I'm curious how it stacks up to Whoop. But, yeah. There are some YouTube videos that are out with some comparisons already. Oh, of course there are. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't – I don't know the Garmin user base. Super well? Yeah. My assumptions tell – my assumptions are that everyone is like me and uses a Garmin for like specific activities and like my gripe with Whoop that we've talked about a million times is there's no watch face. Like I don't want to go on every run and not be able to see like how far I've gone, how much time has passed without like whipping out my phone and seeing that. So, I don't know what like void this fills for Garmin is my question, I guess. I think – I don't know if this has updated or not. I watched – I tried to watch a quick video or tried to quickly watch a video, but it looked like it was from about two to three weeks ago and I think this may have updated. But at that time, you were not able to see live heart rate tracking during your workout without having the Connect Plus. Oh, I mean I don't care as much about that. About that. People were talking about like being able to see your heart rate during a workout though. Yeah. I mean personally, I don't check my heart rate during – People were upset about that. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know. I'd say for people who are really tied to that with like the zones and whatnot, I could see that. I wonder if they're trying to expand more into like CrossFit, weight training, places where you might not use a typical watch as much. I don't know. Somebody made a comment on one of the – on one of the YouTube videos that they think that the target market for it is people who primarily want to wear a – just a traditional like a mechanical watch and then have something that tracks their fitness. Like they don't want the smart watch. They want to wear like a nice – Yeah, like a normal watch. Analog like watch. Yeah. But they want something that tracks their fitness and they don't want to wear two watches to do that or go back and forth and whatnot. So they're – I didn't quite understand. I didn't quite understand that but the folks like in the comments of that particular YouTube video seemed to be like, yeah, you nailed it. That's who the actual target customer is. It will be interesting to see because I think there's also – it's becoming more and more apparent to me that this won't sound like groundbreaking but it's so important for companies to understand how people are using their device, like the people who are actually the movers and shakers from a community standpoint, like how they're actually using the device. So it's like – or what's going to be most important to people. Like years – like a few years ago when Samsung – it was one of the iterations of the Galaxy Watch. Like they just got like slammed because – and negatively because it was well known that, like, you needed – you couldn't really wear it to track your sleep because the battery life was so awful. And so they kept talking about, like, all of these things and that they had added sleep tracking and people were like, why are you talking about how great the sleep tracking is when you don't have a battery that lasts all day so I'm going to have to take it off when I sleep. And they finally fixed it. But it's like that – some of these companies have this massive disconnect with like – because that was the – That was some of the commentary with the whole, like, live heart rate tracking thing was a bunch of users who currently use, like, their Garmin watch. I guess if they're really tied to, again, like their zone-based training, they want to see what their heart rate is without having to look at the Kinect app on their phone. Yeah. And so they're like, well, if I'm going to have to look at the Kinect app on my phone, I would at least not want that behind a Kinect Plus paywall to do that. Yeah. So it kind of makes sense to me, so. Yeah. I don't know. I'm curious because I, like you said, no – I didn't know this existed until I hopped on this podcast and you were like, let's talk about this. And I was like, what? Yeah. Like, no email or anything. Somebody just happened to mention. I get their email. I get their marketing emails, I'm pretty sure. And I didn't see anything. I know. I was also unaware. Where's the marketing? It just announced – yeah, it just launched in July. Yeah, it says July 2026. So it hasn't been out for long, but it's just interesting. Again, haven't really seen it. Haven't really heard much about it. I only – but same thing with the Fitbit. Did you hear a lot about the Fitbit Air? Well, I'm not – I'm not a Fitbit user, but I am a Garmin user. Oh, that's fair. Okay. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah, Fitbit I didn't – I only heard about just because of what I do retail-wise. Like, I just – some stuff came across, like, our – wait, but as far as, like, in my social media algorithm or whatnot, I saw nothing. Weird. So, yeah. It's like – Oh. I'm assuming you don't know the answer to this. Why are they all copying Whoop and not Aura? I don't know. That's a good question. I know there are other rings that are not Aura, but they're not, like – You know what the – well, yeah, because there's the Ultra Human, there's Galaxy Ring. Here's the thing, though, wasn't – I am almost – I'm reasonably confident that there was litigation between Garmin and Samsung when the – When the Ring came out. Yeah, I'm reasonably sure, if I remember correctly. And also, the difference in the type of technology that you need to read the finger versus the sensor that's on wrist-based. I mean, if you've got a watch, you're already a huge percentage of the way there because it's still wrist-based. So, I would think, like, that's – I mean, I wouldn't put it past – I would say that I'm sure there's other people that are working on it. Apple, I wouldn't be shocked if they are coming up with something at some point, but they tend to – from my perspective, they tend to let other companies kind of go through the bumps and the bruises of innovative technology, and then they figure out a way to come up with their own version, and then people just are like, well, it's Apple, so it's got to be – Fair enough. Yeah, because there's a rumor that they're coming out with, like, a folded phone or a flip phone. Oh, it's about time. Samsung's had that for years. They have. Yeah, Samsung's on, I think, their eighth iteration at this point, if I remember correctly. It does look very cool, too. Yeah. Yeah, so, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. All right. Okay, we've got to wrap up. That's a wrap for today. Yeah. All right. You got the rundown? 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