Is Islam Itself the Problem? A Conversation With Dr. Zuhdi Jasser

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packages in seconds then schedule a pickup right from your home or office for a limited time go to stamps.com and use code podcast for a free welcome gift taxes and fees apply when you consider what went down in the uk when you consider what we're learning right now when you consider what just transpired with that plane heading for israel and when you consider think about this for a moment the position that iran is in and now you have to ask yourself are they all connected and i think you'd be a fool to say that they weren't zudi jasser joining us to talk about the role of religion in all of this because it's one of my concerns here and i brought it up and i was saying to the viewers just yesterday zudi um i've mentioned you a few times over the years i'm like you know whenever this comes up i'm like i gotta call zudi so finally today i called you and i was like we gotta get you on but you know what is um and this is if you're just joining us dr zudi jasser who's actually a republican nominee for congress out there in arizona so a reminder to get out there and vote um but is is islam in your view part of this problem well absolutely the normative islam the uh bandwidth that takes up leadership in islam whether it's petro islam of iran and their theocracy or the wahhabis of saudi arabia or the maat islami of pakistan wherever it is right now the institutions that are islamic have a cancer and that's theocracy and the west went through a reform against theocracy and defeated theocracy that was the american revolution and it took an enlightenment process of separation of church and state and to render under caesar what is caesar and to god's what is god's islam has not gone through that process and as you and i have talked over the years political islam is the root cause is the cancer it has civilizational jihadists that come into the west pretend to be law-abiding citizens and will fight to to to counter our society and then there's terrorists who are anarchists and believe in asynchronous warfare and will do where the ends justify the means and they'll do anything possible so you know my family escaped syria came to the west and embraced americanism i believe that the only solution to islamism theocratic islam if you will americanism is the embrace of a society with a social contract where our rights come from god not from any particular specific religion obviously though america is a judeo-christian country but you know i believe that our rights come from god just as our founding fathers did and islam right now is such that islamic governments believe that the rights come from the clerics from the islamic government and their national identity their jihad is about a military that is fighting a war where the world is divided into the land of islam and the land of war so we have to have an offense we've not had an offense we continue this whack-a-mole program and president trump finally after 47 years uh put put his foot down and has been you know ending the nuclear program of iran and uh thank god they're much further away from getting a nuclear weapon today because if they did get one they would ultimately use it as they're using every tool that they have to fight against us right now oh we're seeing that yeah we're certainly seeing that i think they're also kind of at the end of their rope who we heard the treasury secretary say over the weekend that they had basically two weeks left of oil that they could sell that was outside the blockade and so as that thins out they're getting pretty desperate and i think that desperation is being reflected in and we don't know all the the circumstances i'm going to get to the the plane in in just a moment but we don't know all the circumstances surrounding that although again my sort of instinct is that i'm going to get to the plane in just a moment but we don't know all the circumstances surrounding that although again my sort of instinct on that one is it's a plain heading for israel and you know you got this guy i believe he's from oman uh trying to to kill everyone in sort of a 9 11 type style uh you know we'll let them do their due diligence but my instinct is that that was probably a similar type thing as what we were perhaps seeing in fairford but you mentioned something you know people coming here and your family came here from syria you know we are a country that embraces diversity of religion but how do you embrace the diversity of something like islam if islam is encouraging this kind of hate and in talking to you over the years i've actually learned a lot and i've done some reading on my own and one of the things that struck me is that the only and correct me if i'm wrong because you know this better than me dr jasser by the way zuni jasser is actually a real doctor not like abdul saeed who who never went and did his residency he's a real doctor um but if if islam is saying hey the only way that you're going to be saved the only guaranteed way for salvation is to be a martyr is that sending some young men in a very dangerous obviously very suicidal and destructive direction because i also understand that once you get to heaven in theory not only are you saved because you're a martyr but you have the opportunity to ask for up to a hundred thousand dollars and you're not going to be able to get up to a hundred thousand dollars because you're a martyr but you have the opportunity to ask for up to a hundred thousand relatives to get saved yeah there's no doubt that uh you know many of us in the muslim reform movement movement movement have a vision of what we see as muslim have a vision of what we see as muslim have a vision of what we see as muslim reformation that needs to happen reformation that needs to happen reformation that needs to happen that not only is that the separation of that not only is that the separation of that not only is that the separation of church of mosque and state uh much as in church of mosque and state uh much as in church of mosque and state uh much as in the west to have an establishment clause the west to have an establishment clause the west to have an establishment clause if you look the the most deadly day in if you look the the most deadly day in if you look the the most deadly day in the the islamic week is friday after the the islamic week is friday after the the islamic week is friday after after friday prayers why because they after friday prayers why because they after friday prayers why because they rile up the the senses of of of rile up the the senses of of of rile up the the senses of of of of militarism of hate of uh um you know of militarism of hate of uh um you know of militarism of hate of uh um you know tribalism all of these tribalism all of these tribalism all of these you know collectivisms need to be you know collectivisms need to be you know collectivisms need to be defeated and if you look for example in in the West, I was saying this in my testimony to Congress many times. I said, you know, forget that Muslims are just 1% of the population. This is going to infect your kids in universities. It's going to infect the far left. And if you look with Black Lives Matter movement and other far left's progressive, so-called progressivist movements, it was infected by this same type of violence where anything goes. And we can destroy federal buildings. We can, you know, cause riots and havoc and violence because it doesn't matter. Everything's upside down morally. So I will say, just like in Christianity, where the Reformation got to back, got back to the love of Jesus and the embrace of, of a positive relationship with God. And yes, the concept of salvation, Islam does not have. It's probably more similar to Judaism in that we don't know what happens at the end of time. We believe that we're being judged and we have to live humbly and, and a life of grace, if you will, and humility and character. But that judgment day is something that an individual should have by themselves before God and not through government, not through the clerics and not through a, a, a sense of a demanding and forcing coercively religion. So that's really, if you look at the 80 million Muslims in Iran that are on our side of this, not the 10 million IRGC supremacists, though, the 80 million that either reject Islam totally or, or believe in it and have a version that they just haven't been able to have free speech to, to rise above the theocratic version. Those are the ones that have to go through the process that we didn't, that we have in the West over the last hundreds of years. And thankfully we have the best, you know, democracy on the planet at our 250th anniversary. That's something Islam has not gone through yet. And I think ultimately we need to have an offense to embrace Muslims that share our values on the ground. But you mentioned something that I think is very important to understand right now, especially as we're on the eve of these elections. You mentioned this sort of correlation between this extremism on the left and the Muslim faith. What's going on there? I think Justice Thomas said it best. He was giving a speech in Austin two, three months ago. And he said, you know, the difference between progressivism and conservatism is progressivists think that you get your rights from government while conservatives believe that we get our rights from God. So that's why the progressivists have been so wedded to the Islamists because, you know, substitute government for the clerics and that tribe that's running government, then it's Islamists. That's why they're arm and arm, the red green axis, the Marxist jihadist work together. My parents, my family have seen this movie before when Nasser was rising in Egypt. He was a fascist social that had ridden the wave with the Islamists. Once they get into power, the Marxists and jihadists will have a, you know, a duel at the end, if you will. We see this every time. And Iran, the Tudor party was hung from cranes in 1983, three or four years after the Islamists got into power, but they rode the wave together against the Shah. So this is the issue, is that the Marxist Islamists, the Chinese Communist Party works with Iran, Russia works with Iran, the Islamists, the Al-Sayeds of the world in Michigan, or AOC, work with Al-Sayeds. So they work together against their primary enemy, which is liberty, which is classical liberalism, freedom, the individualism, free markets, capitalism. And I've seen this here in America. You know, I saw my profession taken over by socialists through Obamacare, where we lost competition in health care. And they've been riding this into power. And the Islamists now, Al-Sayed is a perfect example of somebody who has embodied both of those, which is the Islamism, as he rode with CARE and the Islamic Society of North America in, and as he wrote the book on Medicare for All. They ride economic dependency along with political Islam and theocracy and do it in America in a DEI program where Islam isn't an ideology, it becomes a race, and they ride that wave in. And next thing you know, they're in power and they take away the rest of our rights. And so what does that mean for everybody following them, per se? I mean, is it, you know, what is it that people are, I mean, how could they be duped by this? Why do you think that that's actually happening? It has to do with, you know, suicidal empathy, as many have talked about. It has to do with a sense of somehow we are to blame for everything rather than celebrating the beauty and the individualism of America, where we have an American dream that our families came to embrace, economic independence, economic freedom, the beauty of competition. They don't want that. They want handouts. The left wants to basically not only control the table, but destroy the table so that it becomes globalism, where America is, this is a post-American society rather than an Americanism exceptionalism. So this is why, if you look, Shadi Hamid at Brookings, funded by Qatar, wrote a book called Islamic Exceptionalism. And I've been trying to debate him for over a decade, and he won't do it because they believe that the only thing exceptional is Islamist theocracy, while I believe American exceptionalism is the only thing I would die for, which is why I served in the Navy. I would never die for my faith because I don't believe God needs me to die for him. That's a personal relationship. But my country does because my wife and I are. Three kids, if we don't leave a country behind, which is why I'm running for Congress, is if I don't leave a country behind that embraces and protects this constitution for that 80% in America that really care about the America we're going to leave behind, the progressivists and the Islamists are going to destroy that table, that constitution, and make it meaningless. Well, I know this has been your passion. You've been working on it for years, as long as I've known you, Dr. Jasser. And it's great to see you running for office. You can go to z4az.com. To learn more about Dr. Jasser and all that he's doing and leading this reform. It's been an important movement, again, as long as I've known you, which is going back some time. You say you started this actually right after 9-11, right? Yep. After 9-11, we formed a foundation to counter political Islam, the Islamic state concept. What about care? So you're like up against care. Yeah, exactly. We've provided not only an alternative to care, but a pathway for an offense, which is we've been playing defense. We need an offense, which is why we need a firewall in Congress. Now you not only have Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, you've got three more Islamists. Aisha Wahab taking over Swalwell's seat. So Swalwell's seat went from a CCP seat to now being an Islamist seat, who is a Taliban sympathizer. Adam Hamaway in New Jersey, the former blind sheikh's translator. And Andre Carson, so many others that are Islamists in Congress. We need a firewall against them because if I'm in there, we can immediately tell them, you know what? It's not about Muslim identity. It's about a theocratic ideology that's incompatible with being American. They shouldn't even have security clearances to be tour guides at government facilities, let alone be in Congress. I know, which is what cracked me up about the whole, you know, I shouldn't say it cracked me up, but I'm like, are you guys serious? You actually want to get a warning before we go in and bomb Iran? Do you know how long that would have lasted? Our advantage would have lasted. You're a former member of the military, lieutenant, right? In the Navy. In the Navy? I mean, for goodness sakes, that would have actually been putting American lives at risk. Exactly. They really want to deconstruct. That's why the DSA is in the process of taking over the Democrat Party, because if you look at their list of goals, it's to take apart the Senate, it's to end the military leadership of our president. All of the separation of powers that exists in our constitutional republic that has been so successful. They want to. They want to dismantle. No different than the Islamists want to dismantle. So it's hopefully America will wake up and we can get away from the psyops that are these fake polls everywhere. And I think you're going to be surprised on what happens on November 3rd. I hope so. I've said that. I'm like everybody, like, keep up hope, because, look, stranger things have happened. I remember 2016 quite vividly. Zutty Jasser, thank you so much. Z4AZArizona.com. Appreciate you joining us today. We'll have you back soon. Good luck there. Thanks, Trish. God bless. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah, he's just such a, and I promised you guys for a while. I'm like, we've got to get Zutty on. We've got to get Zutty on. And today felt like a day when we should really have Zutty on because, again, you know, everything he's talking about, we've known about for some time. Think about Iran smuggling all of these. The real cost of a break-in isn't your valuables. It's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. 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It's where we're launching all those American B-1 bombers against Iran. And armed police arrested five British men in their 20s. Okay, so they're British. I get it. They're British. But they've been indoctrinated in ways that Zutty was just telling us about. Okay? And so they're out there ready to commit heinous, heinous acts or at least stage something. Heinous acts, because I think this was a dry run. And the next thing you know, they've got to empty out 85 homes. They've got bomb robots going through. I mean, they let the guys go. I mean, I'm just blown away. I'm like, the U.K., they just don't get it, right? They can't get this through their head that they are sitting ducks. And now Andy Byrne's big news is, oh, yeah, there are strong indications that Iran played a part. Iran, as they said, they're denying it. Police found the petrol. Not a bomb. And you heard Nigel Farage say that he thinks that this was a dry run and that they were deliberately calling when they did. See, you know, you just can't keep bringing everybody in one after another. You can't bring them in without vetting them. It is why we locked this border down. It's why we have to keep locking this border down. And I'll tell you, if the U.K. can't get it together, we're not going to be able to have this, you know, hunky-dory relationship with them either, or any of the Europeans or the Canadians or anyone. Where else? I mean, you know, you're able to travel so freely back and forth, and we love that, and that's a great privilege. But for goodness sakes, if you can't keep an eye on who's in your country, then how are we going to be enabling or allowing for this kind of travel? Marco Rubio here saying, look, you know, it's important to think about, and I stress this, it's important to think about who you're bringing in, how you're bringing them in, whether you should be bringing them in. This was a pretty brilliant quote. I want to go back to. who, look, the polls are showing he could be the next thing. We'll see. I mean, J.D. Vance, I think, wants in. But Marco Rubio is waiting in the wings, and he'd be great. We've all seen the images, for example, of what's happening in Spain. The truth is this. Whether it's in Europe or in the Western Hemisphere, the United States or whatever it may be, no country, no country in the world that's responsible, governed by responsible people, can allow their borders to just be open and allow anyone that wants to come in to flood in. You can't flood countries with migration. You know, this is a country that was built on immigration. And immigration has to happen through an orderly process in which you get to decide who comes in, you know a lot about them, and you pick and choose how many people, who and how many people can come in every single year. This is proper migration, proper immigration. What we have seen in the broader West and what we saw in the United States during the previous administration is an uncontrolled flood of people coming in. It's what analogy I've always used is I'm not against rain, I'm against flooding. And that's what I would say about immigration and mass migration. Mass migration is terribly costly. For any society, it's simply not sustainable over the long term. I think countries in Europe are learning that now. The United States learned that after four years under the Biden administration. And I think other countries in our own hemisphere are dealing with some of this as well. Yeah, you bet we are. OK, we are. I mean, Canada is, for goodness sakes. And so nobody's actually thinking about what the ramifications of all of this are. And it's becoming a really big problem. Case in point, what we're seeing in the UK right now, the UK just announced hours after it went through this ordeal with Fairford. Guess what? We are opening up in ways that we never did before. We haven't opened up like this in what, two years? Meanwhile, you know, there's these memes going around the Internet where they're joking about the president, President Trump looking out the window and say, hey, you know, what kind of third world country is this? And somebody saying, oh, that's the UK, sir. Right. Because that's how it feels these days when you go to the UK as they bring more and more and more people in, despite all of these threats they announced this week, they got a resettlement scheme, their word choice, not mine. But I think it's rather appropriate, don't you? The resettlement scheme announced by Shabana Mahoub. So Ms. Mahoub has decided she's just going to bring in all kinds of legal refugees and we're going to open up the spigot once again, because, you know, we didn't get enough up until 2024. This is the problem with having Andy Byrne there. OK, this is the problem. It's a complete takeover. Let's go to Ms. Shamoud talking about her grand plan. We can announce today that from next month, we will begin accepting applications from charities and nonprofits to sponsor refugees through our new safe and legal routes. They're all crazy. I mean, they're really, truly, these are these are crazy people that have some kind of death wish, I think. But, you know, in her case, maybe she feels. I mean, she's clearly British, right? She speaks with a very proper British accent. Does she feel more allegiance to the people that she wants to bring in as opposed to the people in Great Britain? I mean, one of the great things about America, and you heard it from Zutty, one of the great things about this country is that you can come from anywhere. And as long as you're willing to be American, right, and adapt to American values and American theocracy, as he was saying, I mean, capitalism is good, all of this stuff, then we welcome you no matter who you are. You know, I. I look over at the UK and for whatever reason, you know, you've got a team of people that just are very hellbent on bringing everybody else into the country. And if the people don't speak up about this, like that British anchor, Alex Phillips, I told you about, then you're going to have more and more of it. Here's another story. This just came out, of course, this week. Terror police investigate Iran link in suspected RAF base bomb plot. But they let everyone go. They let everyone go. And now they're saying. And we're bringing more and more and more in. Why? Why? Let's go back to talk TV, because Alex said it. Well, you know, you guys got to come up with a plan because people aren't feeling too happy about this. Buck stops with you, Defense Secretary. I want to hear a concrete plan. And I want to hear you say, admit that people coming into the country illegally are a security risk and then do something about it. Yeah, do something. OK. But he's never going to say that. You see, he's never going to say that because the woman who's in charge of the whole resettlement program that he handpicked is all about bringing more and more and more people in. I mean, it's really, really nutty stuff. And just to kind of give you some idea on what she's planning to do and what the UK government is planning to do. She is the home secretary against Shabana Mahoub. And she announced that. Guess what? Big news. We got a scheme. Resettlement scheme. It's easy to remember scheme that it is. They're basically going to take on the first new home referrals since December of 2024. So the program has been on hiatus for a while. And now all of a sudden they're going to work with the U.N. The U.N. and the International Refugee Assistance Project. Someone getting payback here? Like are her buddies getting a payday out of this? I'm just wondering, like, what is the incentive to do that? The first arrivals are expected before the end of 2026 this year. Local authorities are going to be involved in the resettling of people and the placing of people. The government says around a quarter of the referrals are expected to be Afghan women and girls and Palestinian refugees. OK, so we're bringing in Afghan women and girls and Palestinian refugees. Does it count if you're like trans? Like, could you say, hey, I'm a girl? I feel like a girl today. I digress. And I shouldn't joke about it. I really wonder, like, would it count? I mean, because there might be some guys in Palestine or in Afghanistan that would take that trade. They could put on a wig and some lipstick for a day and say, hey, I feel like a girl. Officials describe the program as safe and legal for people fleeing war. Not necessarily for the people that are going to be receiving them there in the U.K., but for the refugees. That are fleeing the war. And they claim to have expanded these routes in order to reduce. They say it's going to reduce small boat crossings. I think it sends the wrong signal. I'm just, I'm going to go out on a limb. Having lived through the four years with Joe Biden in office. You with me? He sent the signal that, you know, we're really happy to have everybody. And the next thing you knew, you had the worst. You had the worst. You had the worst invasion at the border that we have ever seen. So millions and millions of people came because they knew they couldn't get turned away. And it's kind of similar to what we're seeing now in the U.K. Like, why does the U.K. have to take anyone? Seriously, if you're going to look out for the U.K. first, and you should, why do you need to take anyone? Why do we need to take anyone? We don't. That's the easy answer. And for everybody that says, oh, you know, we got here because of immigration. And, you know, we are the country we are because of immigration. Sure. Okay. But right now. We got something else kind of bigger going on, right? We're at war with Iran. And Iran is trying desperately to seed its people in our country, in the U.K., in all of Europe. So, you know, if you're smart and you're interested in self-preservation, you're probably going to start thinking about some of this stuff quite differently. And I think it's high time that we actually see that. I mean, here they are. They're going to work with universities, I guess. They're going to work with community groups. And charities. Like I said, somebody's getting a payday out of this. Somebody's getting a payday to sponsor refugees. And universities are able to sponsor refugee students. And a work-employer sponsorship route is apparently going to be made available. Ms. Mahmoud, however you say her name, has framed this entire scheme as something that will help them live up to international standards. Here's what I'm going to say to hell with international standards, okay? To hell with them. You know, you guys, you got some standards of your own you ought to try and live up to. It's high time you kind of meet the needs of the British people like we have been trying to meet the needs of the American people. A lot of thanks we get for that, right? Look at what's going on with midterms, I'll tell you. Iran is out with a new newsletter. And Iran is calling on Americans to vote for Democrats. Now, if that doesn't tell you. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know about the Democrats right about now, I don't know what else does. Because when I see this, and historically, right, what have they loved to say? Death to America, death to America, death to America. And they shout it from the rooftops. Well, now it is not death to America, but vote Democrat, vote Democrat, vote Democrat. Iran is telling you to vote Democrat. Like, if that doesn't get you to the polls in November, I don't know what does. Because, like, I will just go. Well, I was going to go anyway. You know that. I never not vote. But if you're. If your neighbor says they weren't going to. You remind them, OK? Iran wants you to sit home. Iran wants for you to not vote if you're going to vote Republican. I got to say, you know, Brennan Gill, he's on to something because he kind of like Zutty. You know, I should have asked Zutty what he thinks of Brandon, because I guarantee you, Zutty wants no Sharia law. None of that here in the U.S. of A. You know, we are governed. By our American principles and our Constitution. But Brennan Gill has kind of. out swinging repeatedly. He is the junior congressman from Texas who I think has a good shot at being president one day. I'm just saying, maybe I'm a little bit biased because I like his parents. But anyway, Brandon Gill here, his in-laws, his in-laws, I should say, his mother-in-law and his father-in-law. Here's Brandon talking about how the Democrat Party is really just hating on Trump, much like Iran, right? I see the similarities. There are two things that unify the Democratic Party right now. The first thing I think is a deep loathing for America, for its founding principles, for its culture, its history, and especially its people. And secondly, I think is a deep, visceral, blood-curdling hatred for Donald Trump. You can't turn on MSNBC or CNN for more than five seconds before you hear some deranged left-wing lunatic screaming Donald Trump's name, blaming him for everything wrong under the sun. Never. Never giving him credit for a single thing that he's accomplished already in just less than two years of this administration. That is what unifies this party. They don't have anything to put forward other than socialism and hatred for President Trump. Yeah, that's it, right? Socialism and hatred for President Trump. So if you're with Iran, go for it. Vote for the Democrats. Iran will be very happy. If you stand with America, you have a patriotic duty to vote Republican. Please remember to tell your friends. We're here live every afternoon. Make a comment. 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