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Okay, just go. It's already recording, right? Eclipted. We're live. What's up guys? This is Aaron Davis. Today I'm bringing you something new. This is the outdoor creative podcast. I've been wanting to start this for a long time. Doing what I do in the outdoor industry. There's a lot of people I meet. A lot of people I come in contact with that, honestly, I just want to sit down and create relationships and talk about who the people are, why they do what they do, and just learn about people and create better relationships through this, and also inform people of what people are doing on a creative level in the outdoor industry. I don't want this podcast to be specifically about photography. I don't want it specifically about videography or even camera related creativity. I want this to be about anything in the outdoors that people are creating. And it's going to be completely different for everybody that I talk to. So this is a start of something new if you guys have ideas or anybody that you have in mind that would be good for me to sit down and talk to. I'm open ears. I want to be as transparent as possible with this and just really provide this to be something raw and new that nobody's really doing. So today I'm at Big Lake, sitting down with me. I'm at Big Lake, sitting down with a good buddy of mine. Shane Olson, who has also started a new podcast here recently, and it's called The Duck Farmer Podcast. I was recently on an episode with him. We sat down and just talked about waterfowl hunting, photography, land management, everything. So his podcast is really similar to what I want this to be. He's going to talk to a lot of different people than I will. I think that it's super cool. We both live different lives and we do different things on a day-to-day basis. But through that we create a lot of relationships in this outdoor space. It feels like a really small space and it feels like we know everybody. But when you step back a little bit, it's pretty big. So Shane's going to sit down with me today and talk about my podcast and how we feel it can be productive. Maybe just spit fire ideas about what would be fun to do on here, what would be cool to do on here, what would be engaging, and just chat about it. I think the dialogue is going to be good for this, to introduce people to me and what I want to do with this podcast. So what's up Shane? Not much. It's another day in Paradise. He's sitting over there on Instagram. Grambling it up. That's the way we do it now. So, yeah, Shane, I really want to sit down today. I've been pushing him to do this for a while. He's too busy. And I'm busy too. But we both found days that we have a little bit of free time. And I'm not on the road. And he's not out managing waterfowl because duck season is over. So we're going to sit down today and just talk about, I guess a little bit talk about his podcast and how it's done from start to where it's at now. And then a little bit implement that into where he thinks I can go with this podcast today to me are super engaging and I just want to pick his mind on where the potential this podcast has to go. Yeah, I mean, I think if you look at podcasts as a whole, it's just another way to source information. Where do you listen to podcasts the most in your car? You can't be on your phone when you're in the car. You're not supposed to be anyway. I think if you can find a podcast that specifically focuses on an interest you have or where you're trying to learn or whatever, there's no better way to tap into a crowd or be able to reach a crowd than a podcast. Right. And we even talked about YouTube. How long that it's been successful. I guess it doesn't, it's not that old. But it kind of took off and people used it as a learning platform. An interest platform, anything you wanted to learn about or watch or I mean, anything. Well, now there's you can you can look up if you can think it. It's out there. It's out there. Yeah. And I think the podcast world is on the fast track to be that. Right. I mean, you just you could think up because your podcast is going to be mainly, it's like you were saying, it's going to be photography, people in the industry that revolve around photography, not so much the guy with the camera, but it could also be the subject, how the photography. Right. But I told you this earlier, you're a creator in the outdoor space. You're a work canvas is much different than mine. You're creating habitat for waterfowl. And that's to me, that's creative. Yeah, it's anything outdoor creative. I mean, that is broad. But I think it allows you to go down multiple avenues or roads to where it went. Okay, when I first started wanting to do a podcast and the hardest thing is is doing your first episode. Right. This is it. This is it. It's the hardest thing because I was like, well, I'm going to do a podcast on this. And then you try to stay in the lanes and you want to do that. And it gets tougher and tougher and tougher and tougher the farther down the road you get. But if you broaden out your topics, they all come back to the same original topic. Right. But one day you might be talking about camera gear. The next thing you might be talking about, I don't need drones. Right. Well, the big day. I want to be able to talk to a photographer, a videographer, an artist, a land manager, a waterfowl outfit or anybody. But the reason I chose the outdoor industries, because that's the industry that I'm familiar with. And I have a lot of connections within it. And I think there's a lot of people that I talk to on a daily basis or on a monthly basis throughout my work that other people would love to sit in and listen to the things that we talk about, whether it be the gear or the creative mindset behind what we do. I think that that's super inspiring to people. I think that I'd be inspiring to me. And that's kind of why I want to do this. I think this is something that I would enjoy listening to. Yeah, absolutely. And the biggest thing that I've taken away from the podcast that I've done is the amount of people that I've reached unexpectedly. Right. The amount of feedback that I get from people that don't necessarily follow me on social media, but they listen to my podcast. Well, it in turn leads them or directs them to my social media to where I can have growth. But it also allows me to reach other people. What do you think podcasts do for relationship building within this industry? Relationship on one. Like when I say when you talk to people and you're doing podcasts with that person, but you're also the people who are listening. They feel like they know you're kind of in a loop building relationship. So listen to two or three episodes of one podcast. And it's a casual environment. It's not professional. Then you feel like you know the person because you know their tendencies. You know what they. I mean, I'm not going to go into examples, but I can. I know several podcasts that I listen to. I can tell you the hometown that they live in. Right. What they did when they were kids. Where they went to school. What they like to do. All of that stuff. And they weren't even trying to put that out there. It was just casual conversation where it came up. And those are the podcasts that I like to listen to. The organic podcast that raw. And if you met them today, you would feel like. Alright, I already know who you are. Shake their hands. Absolutely. And the. Yeah, it's. They're just. They're so intriguing to me. And I'm a person that can. Talk to anybody. Right. Really. It's part of my business. I have to be able to just pull the sheets back and just talk to somebody. And get to know them within five minutes. And then you kind of. You already know enough about them to where you can carry on a conversation. And that's how podcast to me should be. It should be just two people sitting down, three, four, five. How many people. And just having a casual conversation about anything. And I think that if I would have started this two years ago. I could have 50 to 100 episodes of people that I. And that's a thing. You know, on the podcast you and I did on my podcast, I ask you about the fear of not having your camera. I have the fear of not having my podcast equipment. Because of the people I run into. You run into them, you're like, "This would be perfect." But I don't have it. At first you think like, "They don't want me to ask about a podcast." Like, "Hey, would you want to be on a podcast?" And they're be like, "Uh, yeah." And they're be like, "Uh, yeah." When, honestly, a lot of people want to be on part. They want to tell their story. And that's a thing, like me personally, being an outdoor photographer. With somebody where to ask me, "Hey, would you want to be on my podcast?" I was on the Dr. Duck podcast and Billy, I was at 737. He asked me, "Hey, would you want to sit down real quick and just chat about social media and content creation?" And I was like, "Yeah, that'd be cool." I was like, "I hadn't at that point." It's really sat down and told anybody about why I do what I do, why I love what I do, and why I think that. Yeah, they're just super cool. And it's just, honestly, it's just radio. That's almost all it is. It's just talking radio. With a subject, though. subjects and you can watch it or listen to it whenever you want. Well, it's no different than a radio station. If you want to listen to rock, you turn it to one, you want to listen to country, you want to listen to classical. But you can, with a podcast, you can fine tune it down to exactly what you want it to be. The interaction you get is the biggest takeaway, positive takeaway I've taken from the podcast. I doubted myself, I was like, nobody wants to listen to this. Well, yes, people do. Feedback is good. Feedback's unbelievable. Is most of that coming through social media? Yeah, I'd say most of it, some emails. Inwritten letters. Yeah, I love letters from my fans. But once, and you'll get it, once you get your podcast out there, once you put a podcast out, people listen to it and give you feedback. It gives you fuel to want to do another one to just keep the ball rolling. And it's almost an addiction of doing a podcast, seeing the response. Well, that's almost like me posting your cool picture on Instagram that I shot and I loved. It makes me dig for that next best shot. It's podcast or no different. I want to find another shot that people react to. Podcasts are no different in my opinion. So, with the outdoor creative podcast, I want to, well, what's going to be unique about this, where I think Shane has a little, little more hurdles with the duck farmer podcast. So my industry, the outdoor industry is big, but it's not just water fell hunting. What I do is a year round gig and years is two, but I have year round seasons. Whether it's bass fishing or saltwater fishing or white tail hunting or camping or big game or water fell or dogs, anything. That makes this platform huge. It could reach a lot of people. A lot of different kinds of people that you wouldn't think would be on the same, I guess, industry. So, the word outdoor to me is, touch is a lot of different people all over the country, all over the world. I already have a small list of people that I want to talk to. And with this, I want that list to grow. But, yeah, no. And I think that too, I want this to inspire people. We get so caught up in the industry that I work in. So I'm an outdoor photographer. It gets competitive. Really competitive. Work with certain brands and other people work with other brands. And that gets competitive and content creation gets. There's big egos. There's people that think they're the best and they want to be on top and crush everybody else. And I have a big heart for inspiration. And I get that with business, you have to be very wise about inspiring people to do what you do. I've seen the outdoor photography and videography industry in the last two years is boomed. I mean, everybody's buying cameras and wanting to do. With social media is a huge role of that. But, my heart for inspiration, I think is bigger than that. If I can inspire somebody to pick up a camera and start a career, that's a win to me, not a loss. I don't see them as competition necessarily. I see them as somebody who I was in the same position years ago, two years ago, three years ago. And I looked up to certain people and they inspired me to pick up a camera and turn it into a career. So I feel like the competitive side of this industry is something to be mindful of. But at the same time, I think if I can inspire somebody to start something that they're passionate about. I've done a good job at what I'm doing. Yeah, even maybe starting a podcast. We're going to talk about the hurdles of starting one, of being imperfect and just being raw and just talking. I think that's a hard thing for some people to do, but I want to inspire other people to do it as well. Yeah, you cannot knock or dislike somebody for chasing a dream. And then if they pursue that dream to a high standard and they keep moving up to the top, then good for them, that's easy. It's easy for us to look at that and be a little bit not hurt by it, but it's a competitive thing. No, it is competitive. And it's, yeah, I'm sure there's people in the industry that do exactly what you do. When you look at him as competition, but in the end, to me, a photographer is just like a golfer. He's in charge of his own destiny. The golfer has nobody to blame but himself. And when he does good, it's him, when he does bad, it's him. And I think with a photographer, as long as they can keep producing quality work, there's room for it. There's room and they will keep moving up. But when, and if you're on the cutting edge of a trend and you're the first person to, I'm not real big in photography, but let's just say you're the first person to kind of set a shot up. A style, maybe. A style. Or, I mean, I can show you 20 photos right now, just different photos and you can probably pick within one or two people of who took that photo. Okay. And it's your brand, it's your style. And as long as you can be on the front of it and you made it and you keep doing it, then other people are going to look at that and they're going to be like, well, they're just trying to copy so and so, they're just trying to copy so and so. So I think as long as you stay in your lane, you do what you're good at and you keep producing good quality work, yes, you will have a job and you'll just keep moving up. Right. And like I said, the inspiration side, I have a big heart for it. So like, okay, say some, but I take a shot a certain way, a certain place, a certain angle with a certain lens and it goes on social media. That's for everyone to see. If there's a young kid out there that tries to replicate that shot, I think the first thought in my head is copyright. Well, yeah, but I feel like, okay, that kid's a copycat. But I look at myself two years ago and I wasn't a copycat. I wanted to be my own, I wanted to make my own lane and be my own person and create my own style. But there were people I looked up to who had images that I just extremely admired and I wanted to have images the same style. And so it's easy for me to look at the young guys who are trying to mimic or copy other guys in the industry and I see it all, I see it every day. But I think you kind of need to step, people need to step back a little bit and be like, okay, that person who they're copying is somebody who has inspired them and maybe take a little bit of a step back and try to see yourself where they're coming from as somebody trying to get into the industry and trying to learn and trying to make their own creative style, I guess. It's a hard thing to talk about because, yeah, it's a copycat, but at the same time. But you can even inspire, even if you don't even look at photography, don't even look at anything. Look at a baseball player, look at a professional baseball player, look at, I mean, let's just pick Derek Jeter. Okay, Derek Jeter has certain batting stance. He played shortstop or whatever, a certain way. And then you look at all these little kids in little league baseball, I want to be like Derek Jeter. They approach the plate the same way, they have the same batting stance, they have the same swing. And that's not, you have to have that in life, you have to have predecessors and you have to have, and but I think that's kind of how you have to look at it is like a role model. So is Derek Jeter really worried about this nine year old baseball player coming up and moving him out of his position? No. He started it and all he's doing is passing on the, like you said, the inspiration that you can pick anything in the professional industry. Correct. Anything. I agree. And there's people that are role models to people under them and eventually the people that are high up and at the top are going to step down. And then it's just, it's a, it's a waterfall effect. It's building a place. And today, today things have changed. When I started, when I bought a camera, I had a couple guys, I think maybe a couple, maybe one, one or two guys that I looked up to and I didn't really look up to them in a way that I wanted to be like them. But outdoor photography and videography, outdoor content creation wasn't what it was today. There wasn't as many people doing it. And so when I bought a camera and decided, all right, I want to really push into this. There wasn't for me somebody that I really like said, all right, I want to do exactly what they're doing. And now I reached out to people who were big in the industry and said, hey, where can I start? And I get that question a lot and I think that's awesome. Where can I start? Who do I reach out to? How do I do it? What's the best way to do it? And I enjoy people asking me questions like that. I don't I don't see it as a bad thing at all. I enjoy Them coming to me with you know transparent. Yeah, and I see it on my side of the My side of the thing too. I mean it I get people that ask me which I don't feel like I'm anybody to look up to now. It's it's humbling to have people want to Ask you questions and stuff like that, but I Yeah, I mean I will if somebody is willing to listen Learn and apply themselves. I will tell them everything I know right, but you almost look at it too is like This kid it says hey Aaron. I want to get started. What camera what camera should I use? I have my parents are millionaires I can buy anything and you're like, um, I don't really right it just it turns you off, but if some kid says hey I don't have all the money in the world. I want to buy a camera just good enough that I can afford and You can you can see that he's real and then he wants to do it and put in the work. Who are you gonna help? Yeah, that one you're gonna tell you're gonna help the kid that That you know is not gonna use it. He's gonna take it for what it's worth Yes, put in the hard work and try to because dig his own lane into yeah because I've I've had people that have said hey I want I want to you know, I want to pick your brain. I get that all time. I want to pick your brain You're like, okay, well, you know, he's like well my dad's got 10,000 acres down whatever We got all the money in the world being do whatever we want what would you do if you're in my shoes and you're just like Too easy kid. You're not gonna appreciate it He doesn't want the knowledge to to really learn he just wants to take it from you and you got to be able to source that out and figure out Am I wasting and I don't not in a bad way, but am I wasting my time telling? Wasting my breath telling this kid what to do or is he actually gonna use it? And then it makes you want to help that kid you might reach out to the kid a month later and say hey, did you get your camera? Yeah, shoot me some pictures. Let me see what you're doing Yeah, and I love that. I love I will help anybody and if the kid if he shows interest and he shows Progression and he's wanting to get better and better than you know that what you're doing is a positive influence right right right so I yeah Many of you guys know this but I contract with the confluence group and I spend quite a bit of time during water fall season at honeybreak We shoot tons and tons and tons of photos and we have a lot of people that you know they reach out to us and they want they want to work with us um and that's I think a tough place for a lot of people How do we find the right person to fit into our team? mentality How do we find the person that we know is going to work hard and not be about themselves but be about What we're doing as a as a whole and completing the project as a team rather than hey, that's my shot um And recently we've had a young kid um His families of one of the guys on on our team and We've brought him in as kind of an intern role. It was hey come out. We're gonna go out in the afternoons At honeybreak and we're gonna shoot some stuff for some partners and you can come out you can help us You know you can hold the light you can hold a reflector. We'll we'll teach you some stuff And this kid came out and you you know he worked as hard as he could he was a yes sir Yes ma'am type of kid Put in the work you could tell that he was just there to learn he didn't care about What's in it for me he cared about all right? I'm truly passionate about what you guys do Didn't have the best camera didn't know that much but was there to learn pick our brains not even pick our brains He was there spoken when spoken to um But he was there to learn you know whatever we told him to do he did without a question Um, and we would give him tips and pointers and he's come out with us, you know three or four weeks three or four different times um What we're out there this season and just that to me is Who I hope I was as that that agent I think I was Um, but those are the type of people that inspire me and that's exactly who you That's the person that you described somebody who doesn't know it all doesn't have it all But simply reaches out in humility saying hey, I want to learn um With respect at what you do you're somebody I look up to I want to learn and and Yeah, it's super cool to see that so no it is and I've seen even buzz react the same way that I did like wow this kid, you know He's here he just wants to learn and that to us is is uh Super cool to see that there's still kids out there that don't care about I don't care about how many followers I have I don't care about how many likes this photo gets I don't care about Even being the one to push the shutter, you know, if if I can come out and help you guys as a team complete a project Whether it's holding the reflector holding the light Um getting the dog's attention. I mean that's someone's gotta do that every time sometimes that's me You know how can we how can I be of assistance? How can I learn that's cool? I mean that's That's a kid being humble. Just wanting to learn what uh? What do you think is What do you think the average age of a Not a professional status photographer, but somebody that what do you think the average age of a successful photographer is now? It's hard to determine is it still is it still broad? Yeah, I think it's still really broad But today it's getting younger and younger um because kids are learning well technologies advancing so It's getting I wouldn't say easier to use but easier to access Cameras aren't like they used to be I think back in the day they were just so expensive that only the best of the best could afford them Um, you know, there's a camera for everybody if you want to start you know I'm gonna buy Canon Rebel for four five hundred dollars and start somewhere and learn how to use a camera Um, so you don't see it as a dying trend. It's a growing trend. It's keep growing so fast Which is good and bad, but I think good More so good than bad um, but get kids right out of high school. They don't you know They don't know what they want to do. They don't know if they want to go to college some kids are just buying cameras and I just had a had a random thought hit my head is there Professional iPhone photographers. I don't think so. Well, I know that there's influencers who work with companies Because I had a conversation with a guy the other day and he said uh He saw my camera. I had my camera out. I was doing some stuff. He's like man you got a nice camera And I was like yeah, I try to get it out when I can he's like I just you I the camera on the new iPhone 11s And saying I don't even carry my new camera around anymore And I was sitting there and I was thinking I was they are if they're unbelievable. They're not even close though They're not even close, but they're unbelievable what they can do. Yeah, yeah But I wonder I might know I shouldn't have said that we might have been on to something I wonder if there is like iPhone No, there's not. I don't think so. I think so this is what I was gonna get into there's influencers who work with these phone companies So like say this guy works with Samsung and they're releasing a new phone that has an incredible camera He might do a campaign for that camera on that phone To show what it can do and it can do incredible things don't get me wrong, but I mean the phones a thousand dollars a day. What is iPhone 11 cost? I have no idea it's like a thousand fifteen hundred bucks. I think you could buy a nice camera with that I think that the capabilities of a nice camera away. No, I know. I'm not I'm not comparing the iPhone 11 to a DS You know, if anybody's got a Canon 70 to 200 lens. I don't think anybody's hiring somebody shooting only over the phone Like imagine a company hiring you, but what what's the general public have Almost everybody has a smart phone, but they're not professionals in the end. No, they're not But I'm just I don't know why that's just stuck in my head like I'm intrigued. I think here's a thing If you're somebody who has the creative ability to create yeah, no, I agree with you. I know where you're not gonna limit yourself with a phone No, and they people who are limiting self with the phone. They don't have the creative ability that somebody yeah Who got that was just a that was a rando rabbit hole there. Yeah, I don't know where you're going with that, but no, I don't imagine this So here's a scenario A company hire a guy. Hey, we want you to come out and do a photo shoot. We got five dogs and some camo gear and some guns and we want you to come out and shoot for us We'll pay you I don't know 500,000 bucks a day. Come on out and he shows up with an iPhone 11 That's it, but if that's it's gonna fly no, no, no, that's a no, I don't know I think no You're gonna say if that's all you have you do it. No, but if that's what his work If that's what they saw and he genuinely used that I don't think that they all right We'll just say this if anybody knows of somebody who's an iPhone Professional photographer with just an iPhone. I would like to I would like to see you on my podcast. Yep Tell him we're gonna talk because that would be that's that'd be amazing and we you have to vet the photos first But he's the problem All right, so somebody wants to blow up a big iPhone photo and put it on the side of their roof at shot show That photo is not doesn't have a quality No, I get it then have the resolution but I'm I guess it's all So maybe just social media stuff. I don't know maybe yeah, there's a lot of kids out there shooting Pictures and sitting in the company because what's the what's the one thing and I you I hear it all the time and they're like Whoa, what camera did you shoot that way? Yeah, you're like on my phone and there's a lot of good phone pictures out there Is there just not the quality? Well when you look at it on your phone. It looks fine That's what I'm saying that was there's not the resolution somebody will say who you had a professional taking like no I just did on my iPhone. There's some good looking on I found there is that's where I'm that's where I'm going I would like to see somebody that just functions with an iPhone that has good work But here's my question if that if there is a person that says man, I take great photos Eventually that person is going to buy a camera. - Right, yeah, because I've got it. - Because I've got it in their head. I take really good photos with this phone. What could I do with a camera? - Yeah. - So, would you, can you go into any possible topics that you want to cover on a podcast? - I don't think I'm going to do topic. I think I'm just going to do people and talk to people about their stories. So like, where you're from, what you do, who you are. What about like, no product reviews or anything like that? - I don't think so. - Maybe down the road, but for now, I just want to be raw. I just want to talk to people. I want to talk to people that I know in the industry that I'm friends with and start there and broaden the horizons. - Well, you'll let the people, you know, the listeners, if, you know, I'm sure if you get a lot of requests for something, it'd be worth putting a podcast together to go into it. - No doubt. And I don't have any limits on this podcast besides, I want to keep it within the outdoors. 'Cause that's a passion of mine. - Yeah, and I think that's whenever I did my podcast, I was too one lane wanted to do something. And now it's-- - Well, I think you realized after stepping one step into it that it was like, okay, this is going to be pretty difficult if I don't broaden this out. - Yes. - So with this conversation, let's get into, I wanted to talk to you about the hurdles of starting your podcast. And we talked about being perfectionists. I think we both are, I think I am more than you. But being able to sit here and talk and not cut it, just be raw, just be like, all right, I mumbled there, I stumbled there, I said whatever I shouldn't of, who cares? - Well, I've listened to a lot of different podcasts and it's no different than you being a photographer and you looking at a photo and saying, that dude did some Photoshop. Like serious work and it kind of degrades the photo to a point. - Yeah. - Because you're like, ah, that tree just does not look the right color, whatever. And so when you listen to podcasts, you can diagnose podcasts really easily once you go into the dynamics of making a podcast. I can listen to a podcast and know when they cut it or know when they edited it or know when they pulled something out. And to me, it just takes away the raw factor of it. Who cares if you take a drink, who cares? Like that's a normal conversation. - Yeah, yeah. - And that's what people want to hear. - And if it sounds too produced, people are going to feel differently about it. - And that's going to be us. - I've gotten nothing but positive feedback on mine. Like, hey, love the raw, just face to face, round table conversation. That's what they want. - One thing that I pulled from Shane's podcast that I'm going to do on here is, well, before I get into this, I listen to a lot of podcasts. There's a lot of guys that I like what they're doing and they do a wonderful job. But some of the bigger guys, they do maybe intros or music or, yeah. Even sponsors, I really, really don't want this to be that and Shane's an inspiration of that to me. When he talked to me about his podcast, he said, man, I just want this to be a place of raw conversation, a place that somebody can sit down and listen to, who I'm talking to and that's what it's about. It's not about, and sponsors are great. It's a way of making money off of the platform, but I don't necessarily want to do this to make money. I want to do it to create relationships and inspire people and help people learn about the outer industry. But, Shane had a good point there of, let's make this as raw as possible. Let's hit record and just talk. No intros and sponsors. When I listen to a podcast, I'm gonna be 100% honest. When I turn a podcast on and it has an intro, sponsors, whatever, pop, pop, pop, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, 15, oh, here we go. And so I was like, well, why would I want to bring that to my listeners when I just skip over it anyway? So I was like, I'm done with it. But not knocking on it. I think there's a lot of people who do. A killer job with it. There's a lot of people who are the best in the podcast game that-- And I didn't realize the amount of what you editing. I did not want to sit at a computer and edit a podcast. Well, we don't have time to do that. No, I don't want to sit there and cut the head, delete, splice, get it all in. If you want you to like, you'll find, once you get in the podcast realm, you'll redundant words, tendencies, but you don't even listen to it. You just-- I just know. Well, I'll listen to make sure that the audio's right. Yeah, it's right. And it recorded everything. Because when I did my first podcast, I was just totally stickler. And if there was a pause, cut splice. And then you're like, well, I did those. Now I need to go through and do the whole thing. I'd spend three or four hours trying to edit a podcast. And this is retarded. Yeah. But we're just sitting here talking. I mean, that's-- Yeah. It sounds much more natural to just have some pauses. Have some-- All right, I'm going to take a drink. It doesn't matter. It's just-- And I'm going to take a drink of my Coca-Cola here. Yeah. Coca-Cola is to sponsor today's podcast. Yeah. But here's a thing about sponsors, too. They're great. If someone were to come to you and say, hey, we like what you're doing, we like your platform. We want to give you $10,000 a year to back what you're doing. Are you going to say no to that? Are you going to say, how do you want me to represent you? Do I have to plug you? Right. Can I just tell you like, you know? It's tough, though. Yeah, because you want it to be authentic. You want it to be-- Boy, my Canon Mark V is just doing a great job. We'll see. OK, so that's-- Yeah. That is something that I deal with on a daily basis. So I work with companies who have products in the outdoor space that need to be captured a certain way. So I have to figure out with these companies that we got to sit down and talk. And some of them are really easy, but some of them get pretty difficult. How-- what is authentic? And particularly products that are new to the industry, how does this product apply to a waterfowler's daily routine? When he's hunting, what looks staged and what looks authentic, but more than looking, what is authentic to the product? If you're selling a product that doesn't necessarily fit, but you want it to, it's really easy for it to look staged, for it to look not authentic. So finding-- and I think that's the thing with like what we talk about with sponsors-- finding a place where, OK, this product fits right here. Let's keep it authentic. Let's keep it realistic. This would actually work here. And so, yeah, if you had a sponsor that you could talk about within your podcast, because you use a lot of products doing your day-to-day job, whether it be hunting or whether it be managing property, you have a lot of products that you use that are completely authentic. So if one of those were to reach out to you, that'd be easy. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, I'm not against it. I just-- there's a time and a place. And for sure, when it happens, it happens. Right. So where do you see your podcast going in the next year? First off, how do you say you have a fear of forgetting your podcast equipment? What's the process like when you're thinking about who I want to interview next? I want to talk to you next. I'll tell you, I've got a few-- I don't have very many out right now. I've got several set up, a couple in the computer to put up. But I feel like the best podcast you can get is an unplanned podcast. If I meet somebody-- and times the issue, because the deal is, it's going to take however long the podcast is, you're going to sit there and record it. And today, it's like an hour, two hours. The man, people are wanting longer and longer podcasts. They would rather have it in almost chapters to where they listen to it on their way home from work, on their way to work, while they work. They don't want the 30 minute, 45 minute podcast. They would rather have a three hour podcast and just listen, pick it up where they left off, mowing the grass, whatever. That's the way the app works. Once you open the app, it's whatever you're listening to last you can't have a play and it picks up. So I really, really enjoy running into people, having conversation with them, being able to figure out who they are, what they know pretty quick. And then just saying, hey, would you mind sitting down doing a podcast with me? Those are, to me, are the best ones. Because I don't know much about that person. But this conversation would be a conversation that you would have with them regardless. You're just going to come work with them. Yes, no, that's the thing. I've got 100 questions in my head. Because you don't know them. I don't know them. Anything about them. So why not ask them on a podcast? Hey, where you from? Where you from? Where you go. It just gives you so much ammo to keep a podcast going. To where when you know somebody for 10 years and you're like, so tell everybody where you grew up. It's just awkward, because I knew you grew up. I knew what you did. I knew what you-- So you learning at the same time that-- Absolutely. Listeners are. I think that's as organic as it gets. That's cool. So you carry around your gear with you and just I do pop the question waterproof container Yeah, he carries all his podcast gear in a Yeti cooler. I need to get on the Yeti cooler game with the podcast here It's awesome, man, but he said don't leave it on the cold because then you're just gonna be freezing cold when you pick it up Yeah, no, I I think I think it's fan base driven a lot I really like the interaction like I was saying earlier. I like the interaction with listeners I like to give them what they want to hear and people will give you feedback of saying hey I really enjoyed that last episode Would you mind doing an episode on this a little bit deeper? Mm-hmm, and then it just it fuels a fire to keep pumping out content just like a picture on Instagram. So Moving on from that. What do you think? Not advice. I don't want your advice. I've kind of already asked you for advice, but Give me some ideas you have for my podcast being that it's a little bit different from yours What do you in your mind because I haven't asked you this yet? We've talked a lot about what I wanted to do with it, but I haven't asked you. What do you think would be? Successful here. I did so with me and Shane did a podcast probably a month ago middle of December we sat down It's in town for like two days and we sat down and did a podcast together and it got a lot of good engagement One of the things we did on there was a question a Q&A Through via Instagram, which is pretty cool. I could just you know put up on my story Hey, you know gonna do a podcast this week. Is there any questions you guys would like to hear answered? That was pretty cool and I felt like we got some good engagement from that and the people whose questions we answered They reached out to me and said hey, you know, thanks for taking the time to read and answer my question What are some things that you would Tell me that I that could be productive for what I want to do man. I think you've got so much more road ahead of you than I do I feel like why age or no, I just the the amount of People you run into yeah, I would say that's probably being on the road so much and yeah Because I mean you're just like just think if you to had podcast gear at shot show, right? I would do that have been I mean you you rattled off 10 people. Yeah, that were like they would be which they've probably done podcasts before they probably but It's not It's not the same podcasts. It's you were gonna get through it's all different depending on who you're talking to and that's what I told you There's a ton of podcasts out there that are Kind of similar but the if the host is a different person. He's got a different story to tell on a different Dialogue to connect to that person completely different, but I think I think different is good. I think venturing out Doing things that don't yeah outside your comfort zone to where maybe you have somebody on that You don't know a lot about what they do. Yeah, and I'm a little bit of a comfort zone person Oh, I'm you can ask my wife. I hate getting But when it comes to even like my Instagram, you know, I like to post things that fit within this Realm and that's cool, but I think like there's a lot of people I know are kind of all over the place and I'm Comfortable where I'm at and it's you know, it could be difficult. I just say don't limit yourself. Yeah, yeah for sure If you want to talk to I mean you know like for me for instance I I like to talk to outfitters. I like to talk to outfitters for the for the you know, not so much on the harvesting of the ducks and the actual hunting. It's like what do you do to get to? Your season what's your practices of management? What's your Blinds you know, whatever then I like to talk to farmers. I like to talk to dirt guys I like to talk. I like to talk to anybody but even like you talk to sit down and talk to me up We live completely different. Yep same realm different sides of the spectrum. Yeah But I you know, I think you could talk I take it you don't know a whole lot about videography. I mean you probably you know way more than I do But you mainly photography photography so if I send down the video guy and and what is your work? It's like it's like boom boom. It's like two totally different people. That'd be a good one. I think Yeah, true talking about things that I don't know about. Yeah, I think that's what's cool because a lot of the podcasts I like to listen to they have guests on that know a lot their expert and their experts and you ask them questions about their Ex-species or their specialty right to me that's intriguing because I like to learn Mm-hmm, and it makes it more interactive. Right. So yeah, maybe somebody that is a professional in a different field Yeah, that that does good not so much in your comfort zone per se but somebody that is a You know professional videographer professional artist artist Dog trainer professional bass fisherman professional croppy fish. I mean you can have anything on there To me I can't have what's what am I gonna do with the bass man though? Yeah, no, you know where I'd go with it. I'd go in it like fish habitat and pond building right like okay If you're gonna build a perfect pond what was it? You know what kind of fish habitat and like all this stuff water level So yeah, I guess it's endless it honestly is so that's what I'd say and that's what I wanted it to be I wanted it to be something that could go anywhere and if somebody was like hey You know my buddy does this you probably know nothing about it or you don't even know who he is But I think it'd be cool. He's but then you're also reaching out to a different crowd that maybe Is a first-time listener to your podcast only because of who your host or who you who your guest was right? So so what do you think that a podcast could do? I guess I don't want to hype up podcast too much isn't everybody will do it be doing it but you know whatever What does it do for your business? I mean for you personally you manage your job your key job is to manage Waterfell habitat correct. Mm-hmm What does a podcast do for your business and you told me a little bit about Some of the really informative ones that you know if I were to listen to I wouldn't know anything about what you guys are talking about But the people who do know about it or like okay this guy knows what he's talking about I want to you know I want to reach out to him about my property Mm-hmm. Is that a key of it? Is that part of the podcast? Yeah circle I wouldn't I'm not really tracking hit When you went so your personal business yeah, I'm yeah, how does it benefit from how does your podcast help you? Well, I think one I'm able to reach out to people that maybe We're wondering what I did Yeah, and then I can kind of ice the cake to where they kind of know exactly what I do is it a way to market yourself? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, the marketing um I Think we touched on it earlier. I think Maybe it builds trust with a possible client. Yeah, because maybe Maybe they're like well this guy says he knows what he's doing but Maybe all that stuff he has on his Website and all that's fake right, but then maybe he can listen to you talking it actually maybe breaks down the barrier of Conversation where yeah, because I've had a lot of guys that start off a phone call with like hey, I listen to your podcast And I want to ask you some more questions on this yeah, and so it yeah, I think it just opens the door It makes you mortal makes you human people get to yeah more personal level. Yeah, when it comes to it. Yep. No, I think it's I think podcasts are I love them. I think it's a great tool for All aspects of business honestly. I mean there's I mean there's big big industries that I mean like the oil and gas business. Yeah, is there an oil and gas podcast? I'm sure there is. Okay. Well, I mean it's like Stock markets. Yeah, the daily stock market trends. I mean, yeah, yeah, so I mean it's And I think people people want to listen to what they like right and I've gotten a lot of that on the on the waterfile management Habitat management people want to do it. They don't know much about it, but they want to learn There's some good books or some good reads out there on how to do it better, but You know if you read a book You're basically your own interpretation of what the words are saying But if you can if you can go into it one more layer right But just hearing I think hearing somebody talk about it putting it into Perspective or something. Perspective to what they do and also terms that are a little more understandable Through the dialect because a book doesn't have dialect the book has one person telling me about How to do something and then it's how you interpret it but also like on a podcast Somebody could say this is how you do it and the other person you say all right I don't really understand that can you break it down a little more and like reading a book or watching a video you couldn't do that So it breaks things down more the dialogue. I think see you John Yeah, the learning aspect of it um But yeah, this is this is not Shane's official episode. He'll get one where I'll sit down and talk with him about What he does who he is where's he's where's he from you know Why he loves to do what he does but I wanted to Sit down today with him while I was in town and just start somewhere introduce The podcast to you guys and for me From here it's endless. If you guys have ideas DM me on Instagram. I'm going to be promoting this through my Instagram mainly. I think that's probably the best way to do it. And then yeah go check out Shane's podcast as well. The Duck Farmer podcast. He's new to the game as well and several steps ahead of where I'm going to be starting this. The perspective that he provides with what he does is pretty cool. Because the questions that I ask him are much different, much, I guess, elementary than what he's talking about and a lot of his stuff and you can learn, learn a lot from it. But if anybody has recommendations with this or anybody knows somebody that would fit, I guess there's no fit so it could be anybody. Reach out to me or reach out to Shane, vice versa. I want to push his podcast as much as mine. Although they're completely different I think that they'll both be really, really cool to fall along with. Do you have anything else? What's the name of it again? The Outdoor Creative. Outdoor Creative. Yeah that's how new this is. The Outdoor Creative Podcast. Outdoor Creative. And it's going to be available on all platforms. Yeah. How many platforms is yours on? Spotify, iTunes and that's the main two I think. Mainly iTunes but the people who don't have it. I heart radio. Yours is on I heart radio. Yep, Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher. And then every heart of that. So yeah and we'll get into that a lot more but yeah you'll, you have a hosting site and then that hosting site disperses your podcast to all of the separate, I don't know what you would call them, what is Spotify? It's a music platform. Okay. But it's so you can select. Yeah, you select, okay I want this to be on Spotify, Stitcher, iTunes, whatever. And so, but a lot of times if you just Google something it's going to come up in iTunes. Right. And you can even pull it up online on iTunes. It's kind of ironic you're on an iPhone and you look up something that directs you to their app. Yeah. Pretty cool. But yeah. So. Well that's it. That's all I really wanted to say. That's a wrap. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Yeah. Now this is still super early stages. Recording. Probably recording several episodes before launching it. So. When do you think, I guess that you're going to launch it with this one so you'll have more comments. I really have a date. Yeah. So. Yeah. Stay tuned. There will be. I want to do as many as I can as many as time allows. I think this is going to be a fun addition to the everyday life of what I do the everyday workflow. But hopefully it won't be too much work. Hopefully we can keep it pretty raw and just sit down and create relationships and inspire people. So thanks guys for tuning into this one. If you've made it this far, keep following along and stay tuned for what's to come. Adios. Peace out.