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Speaker 2Screw Up Your Kids podcast. So, pour yourself a cuppa, find a comfy seat and enjoy the conversation. This is episode 81 and today's episode is part two of my interview with Nadeem Saad, the parenting and relationship coach and the founder of the Happy Confident Company and author of, We will share the rest of the life skills that we should be teaching all of our children, part of our top 10 and the give this week will be the other half. So, we gave you five away last time and this week you'll get the other five. So, you'll get the full list of the 10 life skills that Nadeem will explain just perfectly. So, you can head over to the free resource library drmaryhan.com forward slash library where you'll find the link to download. All you need to do is pop in your email address and you'll get instant access not only to this week's resource but all the other free resources across all my podcast episodes. As ever, if you have enjoyed this episode, I would love it if you could follow and review this podcast so that others can find us and we can spread the love. So, until next time, here's Nadeem part two.
Speaker 3Then you've got the power of resilience. Huge one because ultimately if all our children could bounce back and learn that they always have the tools to bounce back from anything, they would just go on and try everything. So, that's the power of resilience is showing them that they already have the tools. With the initial five powers, they already have a lot to deal with any challenge and therefore they can take on any challenge in life and know how to bounce back and we teach them how to develop more resilience, which is, as I mentioned, several times, actually to go through frustrations, through difficult times and recover from these because that's where resilience is taught. That's where you really build resilience. And so, we show them a graph, which is amazing. It's called the resilience graph. Anyway, I can't show it today but it's a really powerful tool. Then the seventh power is the power of creativity and that's for all the ones who have the more than 80, 90 million people who have seen Ken Robinson's, Ken Robinson's, late Ken Robinson's TED Talk, he says, he shows how schools kill creativity, unfortunately, and everything's black and white. So, we teach children, as I said earlier, that creativity is something you learn, you can learn and it's both a gift you get from your birth but also something you can develop because neuroplasticity also applies to creativity and so it's not just about the arts and about drawing, it's about being creative and curious in every part of your life and in every, even with a math problem, with the way you work, you play football, all of that, it's not fixed, it's not, there's not just one way and that helps them, you know, have a complete, connect a lot more with their right brain and be a lot more in touch with their, with themselves and their whole, you know, have a more holistic approach to things. The eighth power.
Speaker 2And it stops the labelling as well, doesn't it, Nadim? It stops them labelling, it's that, but it's also that, it stops them labelling themselves as I'm not a creative because whether it's a cultural thing, whether it's societal, we tend to assume that creativity is to do with. to do with arts and actually a mathematician can be incredibly creative. It's about problem solving, it's about ideas, it's not just what you physically put on a piece of paper or on a piece of fabric or on a wall.
Speaker 3So true, thanks for pointing that out because I, I have, the best example is actually me. Typically, actually I had a growth mindset for most things, but a total fixed mindset in my creativity and art, I thought I can't draw, I can't sing and I'm not creative, it took me years to realize, okay, I wrote books, I created more than six companies, I, I actually now obviously launched pretty creative products with my team, but I participate creatively to finally realize, oh my God, I'm, I'm hyper creative and I love it and this is part of the, the part of my work that I love the most. So how could I tell myself for years, as you just mentioned, you know, that I wasn't creative? So it's so important from a young age, we're talking eight to 11 year olds, to teach children what creativity is and that they're, they stop the labeling, as you just said, absolutely, absolutely. So the eighth power is the power of mindfulness and I already, for people who know mindfulness, they'll, they'll probably think, well, I mean, they can see that a lot of the powers already relate to mindfulness because inter-reception and, and power of optimism, power of inter-reception are already become, you know, about identify our thoughts, identify our feelings, that's pure mindfulness as well. But in this episode, and, and, and, and when we teach mindfulness, it's really much more about being in the present moment, learning that where you put your energy and your thoughts, actually your energy goes. And therefore it's really, it's, it's about not regretting the past and not worrying about the future and that the present moment is so important. So that's where we teach a lot of the amazing breathing techniques that I could more difficult to share obviously on the podcast, but simple things that can really change people's lives. Actually, let me share one that I only learned, you know, a year or two ago, and that is so powerful and it can be explained on the podcast because it can completely change, uh, people's, uh, basically, I'm not going to go into the whole sympathetic system, parasympathetic system and what it, but our parasympathetic system essentially is our more calm state. The sympathetic system is when we're more excited than we, if we go in fight or flight, we're in our sympathetic system to actually reconnect to our parasympathetic and become calmer. A very simple technique is called the psychological side, and it's been developed by, uh, um, the Hooperman lab. Well, basically, um, you may know the amazing podcast from, uh, uh, Andrew Hooperman, uh, Stanford professor. And so they realized that people sigh, you know, you have a typically we go, ah, we sigh, you know, it's a quite regular thing that we do naturally, but they, they actually identify how to use that side to reconnect with the parasympathetic system and to become calmer in literally 30 seconds, instead of just going a sigh, you actually take, two quick breaths, then stop at the top just for a couple of two, three seconds, and then who do the side. So let's do it again. So bringing through the nose through two, two breaths, quick breath, stop, and then release. And we're just doing this two or three times. Wow. The effect is, is so fast. So children can use this as adults, when you get annoyed at your children or children, when they are in exam, when I, so actually when I tell my children in exams use it, they go, yeah, sure. I can stop in the middle of an exam and go, okay. I teach them another breathing technique for that, but, but definitely before the exam, definitely do that. So you actually, you're in a, in a good mindset. So a lot of these, we teach them the breathing technique. We teach them that mindfulness is just about potentially just going to the garden and listening for five minutes. It doesn't have to be about med deep meditation, et cetera, which, which is harder for them. But we also developed meditations based on hypnosis to Rick, to allow children to reconnect, um, with their best self. And so that, so these are guided meditations and that's easier for kids to do. Yeah. So that's the power of mindfulness. Then we go into the, the ninth, the power of compassion. So kindness and empathy and, and realizing that with kindness, kindness has a ripple effect. Actually the, the best way to make ourselves happy is to be kind because when we're kind, we release oxytocin in our body, the, the love hormone and ser serotonin, really positive hormones, and it makes us happy. So when we're kind to others and then guess what happens, they, they also develop serotonin and oxytocin and they feel good. And then they also want to become kinder to others. So kindness has a ripple effect and it's a science, you know, it's scientifically based and children love this because it's just, they want to be kind actually. And often when they're not kind, it's just because they're, they're going through challenges. So reconnecting them with their, this innate kindness, they, many, many of them have is great. And, and then empathy, we teach them, they've got mirror neurons that actually as a species, we are wired for empathy. It's just that often we shut it off. Uh, and, and actually these mirror neurons can, so the mirror neurons are basically the fact that often we see someone do something or feel something we'll do the same. So it could be an action. So we can actually learn by just, um, seeing, so for example, Tiger Woods, he became this incredible golfer because he, he watched his, his dad practice golf for years before he ever touched, uh, you know, a golf club. He just, with the mirror neurons, he just literally incorporated everything, same for everything. And, and with the feelings as well, that's why we cry when we see someone crying or well, unless we shut it off, like interestingly. Yeah. So we teach children that it's okay to actually, and to be empathetic. And finally, the big one, the power of. Acceptance. And when you do a lot of personal development work, you realize that ultimately it all leads to acceptance because it's but it's it's the three keys to accept the acceptance of ourselves so we teach kids to accept themselves but that we're all unique and we can go through different parts we can and we it's about when i mentioned my eight-year-old child not liking this angry part well it's about accepting that she's got this angry part accepting all parts of ourselves it's also about accepting others and the fact that we're all unique and they're all everyone's different and we may have different opinions think differently and it's okay and finally it's about the power of what is realizing that the more we we were we're against you know an event and we we we're frustrated by the event and the more it affects us and the least the less we're actually capable of dealing with it so accepting what is and instead as we said seeing uh you know the power in mistakes all of that basically we use all the powers to accept and to deal with uh any anything that comes our way and that's so that's the wrap-up of really accepting
Speaker 2yeah they're so great and they're they it's it teaches this kind of rounded individual because i think so often we get caught up in parenting the child and doing what we need to in that moment that we forget that fundamentally this child is we're almost i sort of take this view that we're custodians of our children for a period of time and we're not really we're not really of time until they become adults and then you know our role is to then send them off into the world to become these happy confident individuals that then create their own world and what I love about those 10 is that actually it's not about playing the short game it is about playing the long game for the adult that we're then sort of helping facilitate and grow into this capable individual that then is off into the world and making their own choices and making those sorts of decisions is that how you envisaged it when you were pulling it
Speaker 3together you've really absolutely hit the nail on its head it's about becoming a better human being and therefore becoming a human being is actually something that you learn if you learn it earlier on and that's all about prevention I mean everything we do is about prevention because what we realize is obviously with adolescence with the hormones uh changing with the and a lot of the people that are people don't know but actually also our brain rewires so we lose a lot of our neurons our synapses etc because the the brain basically ditches what's not necessary so it's really important that we ideally before adolescence we realize what is important because then our brain rewires for the best so when we learn these things early on we can then apply them to practice them and become they become second nature so in adolescence where it becomes harder we already have the tools to deal with that with this you know more difficult moment and then we grow as to be better using them to better relate with ourselves so that we can better relate to others as well so that's exactly what we're trying to to teach children is to be a well-rounded human being from a completely holistic approach and and the 10 powers do not proceed we've got also the power of sleep we've got the power of movement so these are but these are actually skills that they're not the life skills as in from the brain side of things that's why we we limit to 10 powers in our program yeah and
Speaker 2that's crucial because the idea is then what we're then doing is preparing a whole generation with all of the knowledge and the skills so that when they become parents and i know it's hard to believe with our when our children are these tiny little bundles that they will at some point if they choose not all will choose but if they choose to become parent then actually they're equipped from that conception in terms of knowing that bit nadim i want to take you back to something that you said a little bit about around the because i think this is really crucial around the message sort of that we're getting out to parents who are listening to this episode who will be thinking i completely buy into what you're saying but maybe they're struggling to put some of these things in place so you know a lot of what you said around the psychology is very much in terms of parenting can be related to leaderships and in lots of ways books will talk about us being the ceo of our own companies which is our families and we create the culture within those but one of the things that i think as parents that we're not always great at and i will admit that i am not i've had to really really work on this i'm naturally quite a bossy person i like to take command i like to be solution focused is this notion of listening it's such a crucial skill because if we listen to our children we hear what they say and we create space for them to practice using their voice because we can teach children to use their voice but if we don't truly listen then what they say goes on unacknowledged and i think then leads to these clashes with teens later who don't have conversations with us because we fundamentally don't listen how do we so true practice and cultivate this this power true power of listening listening to to actually take the information on but without listening with our response what's already in our head
Speaker 3well thanks for addressing one of the things i feel most gizli of so it's good so it's good because for example my it is so true and and i have a so i'm going to start with a negative of what i still sometimes do is my 10 year old child is quite chatty so i'm the lucky one who still has someone who's coming you know often it's not i don't have to ask her how was school today she'll start sharing and often because it'll be a moment where i'm still in my work mode i'm trying to come into but often i'll hear with half an ear with a half ear or whatever the expression is and i realized and and with time i realized well actually she's now and and often i'll sometimes take my phone and just go yeah i'm listening to you oh my god so now i've got basically i'm the dad who basically is always on his phone and who's never listening and it's very difficult to now change that perspective but what i like to what i think is important for parents to realize is less time but quality time and really focused with with good listening is much better than lots of time where we're not actually listening we're not really interacting and that is so crucial so instead of feeling guilty about it. of not spending enough time it's actually more important to spend the quality time and in this case as you said deep listening is so important because within.
Speaker 1of not spending enough time it's actually more important to spend
Speaker 3the quality time and in this case as you said deep listening is more important because within. a whole world that you had you didn't realize and also what they're grateful for so important to rewire the brain we use the three wishes of positive psychology basically when you express three wishes you just rewire your brain for positivity in just a week you're already happier you sleep better you have less anxiety we've got more than 3000 reviews on amazon of people who say you know unless in a week or two this is already completely changed my child so it's this conversation really useful conversations are so important and of not spending enough time it's actually more important to spend the quality time and in this case as you said deep listening is so important because within. that's where you've got to bite your lips and realize my god the most important thing I can do for my child is to get them to solve their own problems to have the solutions rather than always say you know rather oh my mom would do that is like oh what what am I supposed to do that and so the listening technique in this case is really what we call active listening is so rephrase so your child is sharing something an issue you'll go okay oh that seems to have affected you or you that may have made you sad or angry or frustrated or whatever try. that's where you've got to bite your lips and realize my god the most important thing I can do for my child is to get them to solve their own problems to have the solutions rather than always say you know rather oh that seems to have affected you or you that may have made you sad or angry or frustrated or whatever try. I don't know, kind of looking at you, particularly if you've been the solution finder, they'll just go, well, I don't know, you're supposed to tell me. And that's where you're going to go, well, no, actually, you know, you're not going to be with me all the time. And at some point, you're going to find your own solution. So, and that's where you ask them, would you like me to give you ideas? Yeah. And that's where you can give them, you can give them two or three choices, two or three ideas. And ideally, the first one is a pretty bad one. Even if it's a funny one, for example, you know, oh, maybe you could just hit your friend because you said that. And they'll look at you like, kind of, what? What are you saying? But it's important that because particularly younger children will tend to pick the first solution. So it's important that the first solution is
Speaker 2not the best one. I love that.
Speaker 3That's so incredible. And then you go with a second or third. And then what's important, you don't say, so which one did you choose? You actually ideally say, well, good luck with this. And that's where they, obviously, you'll be biting your tongue, always wanting them to share what happened, what happened, but it'll come. So ideally, of course, you can ask. But if you, but don't be too insistent of wanting to know, because that's where some children who are more internalizers, they'll shut down, because they don't want too much curiosity. They want to share on their terms when they're ready. And that's why with internalizers, it's great to have, you know, a little bit of time to think about it. And then it's great to have a resource like Feel It Back, which is basically our feel it cards, where you ask children, what are you feeling, how you'd like to feel. And as they say how they're feeling, a lot of things come out, or the journals, or other resources that helps them express themselves. And that's what will come out. And hopefully, you'll realize that they apply what they thought. And if they didn't, it's okay, because just by going through the solutions, it helped them be more in control of that issue and feel that they're responsible. And it just disappears. It's not a, you know, it's not a traumatic event for them, because it's all about, trauma is not about the event itself. It's about the interpretation that we have of an event. And unfortunately, small things can be traumatic to children. I only recently discovered that I felt at 13, I had, I felt completely rejected by my first, it wasn't even a girlfriend, my first kiss. And I, and I still carried it in my body. I had to do some emotional release on that. It was fascinating. I was like, oh my God, we really need to teach children all of these things, because then we carry rejection from an early age without even realizing it. So it, it seemed like a, such a small event. I didn't realize, you know, we just stopped kissing one day and it just, but actually I felt it like rejection. So anyway, I'm not.
Speaker 2And I think you raise a really important thing. I think that, that comes up with parenting as well, quite often is that is this notion of it doesn't matter how we view that situation, whether it's traumatic for our child or not, whether it's significant or not that their friend didn't ask them to a sleepover or that they didn't choose them as a partner for an activity at school. It's how our child interprets the event and the significance of that event that leads to whether it's trauma or whether it's not, you know, they talk about trauma with a capital T or a little T, but whatever we want to label it, it's how our child experiences that. And it's really important around listening, which is why I think that's such a crucial and, and I'll put my hand up. I am not, not always really great. It's something I have to work on, but it is this, the more we actively listen, the more we create that space, the more that we are conscious and intentional of I'm putting my phone down for the next five minutes. And I'm going to be 100% present for my child. If we don't do that, then we don't pick up that for our child, not being picked at the, as the partner for their friend in the class activity has significantly impacted how they feel about themselves. Absolutely.
Speaker 3And it's not to make parents feel guilty here because it's always the strike balance of, of parental guilt is useful because it makes us do something about it, but it's important to not go from guilt into shame or into feeling powerless. And oh my God, all the mistakes I made because you could always do better. And actually our children, our brains are malleable. Our children are, you know, everyone is forgiving, but we have to just, as you just said, once we realize it's not about our perspective and convincing our children that it wasn't that bad, that we're going to help them. It's actually about realizing how bad it can be from them and then help them see that in a different perspective. I love, I was listening to a podcast and Thomas Hubel was saying something, he's a big spiritual teacher. He's saying something so simple and you relate to that because obviously we're both very big about feelings. But one that I hadn't often addressed this way was fear because I know how to address several, um, a lot of emotions now, but fear, I never saw it this way. It's the 19, actually, when I ask people in my, um, in my audiences, a hundred percent will, will answer. So what do you do when your child comes and says, oh, I'm afraid of something and you don't even see anything. It's the most natural reaction is like, oh, but don't be afraid. There's nothing to be afraid of because obviously we don't see anything to be afraid of. So, so why would we, so we're just reassuring the child. The thing is, it's crazy to think that, but, but it's the reality is the child would then think, oh, I'm not supposed to feel that way. I'm not okay. Every time we deny our child a specific feeling, that's what they think, unfortunately. And it's, and we can't help. Just imagine telling the child instead, oh, you're feeling afraid. Come here and just giving them a small hug. So already releasing oxytocin. So helping them rewire, basically already changing their mind, their, their whole body around this. And then we can reassure the child. We've, we've acknowledged that they felt scared, whether we, you know, whether we will like it or not. And we think, oh, come on, I want to toughen them up. We don't toughen them up by just saying, oh, there's nothing to be afraid of. Come on, just, just hide this fear. And I'm talking from a perspective that affects me so much because I never felt fear in my life. So every time, every, so it's interesting because you think, oh, amazing. Why, why would you want to feel fear? Because I've basically would start project, never be afraid of anything can speak to audiences of thousands, not afraid, supposedly. But now that I've with deep work, I realize actually there is fear. I just shut it off constantly. And the, the problem of shutting off fear is that then I'm not actually connected to my intuition and I'm not, sometimes I do things without well being completely aware of them or for example, speaking too fast. And I'm, I'm, I'm in my, like I'm doing now, so stay connected. And for children, particularly, so it's keeping this awareness in this body mind connection is so important. And that's what allows our children. So feeling our, our feelings in every moment and just acknowledge them and, and realize that they're okay. I just need to manage them and manage, you know, my, it's just wow. So empowering. And so that's what we hopefully can bring to children and this whole new generation.
Speaker 2Yeah. And I think this notion that any feeling that we have as legitimate, we can feel anything and it's okay to experience that. So obviously clearly some like fear and anxiety, we don't want to experience is they're not comfortable feelings, but it's, that's it. They're all all right to experience. What we're helping children is make different choices as a result of those emotions. Ones that are the most adaptive to them in that moment.
Speaker 3Exactly. And in, and in many ways, because they learn the power of optimism, they're all built on each other because they're, they're learning all about that. Then they're gonna feel less anxiety and less, and less overwhelmed and less everything and less anger, but it takes time. So instead of wanting to just convince a child that they shouldn't be feeling that, which we often do, because we're also uncomfortable with these feelings. So we don't want our children to feel that because we don't like that either. And instead of that, by acknowledging and realizing that it's gonna take a bit of time to help them get out of it. So, but they, but keep faith that, you know, you can help your child be less anxious, be less. Overwhelmed, et cetera, but it's, it's gonna have to be using some techniques and a bit more time rather than just telling them they're not supposed to feel that way.
Speaker 2Yeah. And I think those 10 skills are things that actually as parents, as I, as you were going through them, I was busily writing them down in lots of ways, almost a template for us as parents to be able to be one looking through and, and looking at that might power of my resilience, the power of my empathy, the power of my introspection. And on that note, I'm gonna put you on the spot again, Nadim, I will ask you as a parent, we're all a work in progress. We, we have got days where we're, we think we are absolutely nailing and acing the whole parenting gig. And then the next day we feel like we're just, you know, why was I even allowed to have children? But for you, what are the, or maybe it's just me for you? What are the things if you, there were, if you could sum three things up that you do for yourself as a parent, to try and ground you in those 10 areas, what do you do that, that work most of the time to help you?
Speaker 3Wow. I, please send me the questions next time. So the three things definitely anticipation. So, so being, so being more realistic about what my children can and can't do. So it being, so it helps me be better prepared. So for example, you mentioned, you know, different age groups. So having a child disrespect me, you know, having no speaking is really difficult for me to, it comes also from my culture, from my dad. I it's even if I remind my brain, it's, it's just unacceptable. So, helping myself realize you know what it's age appropriate they're going to in some cases they're really going to be disrespectful and if I react super strongly I'm actually doing the exact opposite I'm teaching them that it's okay to be disrespectful so the change of mindset so to constantly realize that it's my mindset and in my Austin my upbringing that is giving me this belief is it helps me a lot because then I can just look at it more calmly and say okay that's not okay you could not speak to me like this but I see that you're super angry or you're super frustrated let's deal with this later or or I actually literally they learn so the same way I rewind so that's a very useful one for me sometimes I rewind because suddenly I you know I react in the way I realize okay I'm not going to get anything right now because I really see the opposition in front of me so I rewind and then do it differently and I teach them to rewind as well so if they've been disrespectful I tell them oh you may want to rewind and then they'll actually more often than not they'll even though they're you know teens and they obviously they are in resistance mode they will do it differently and so more respectfully and then we can have a proper conversation so it's it's really the belief so mindset realizing that they're doing the best they can in every moment with the knowledge and tools they have and therefore instead of me thinking oh they're horrible children right now it's like oh wow they're they're angry teen who's not managing their emotions so this change of mindset really helps me so and I and I have to admit that's where you say what I do regularly it's because I have to remember remind myself all the time so that's why it's a it's a self-care routine to go okay one second for example something's happened and they're not going to be happy I'd better be prepared for you know but they're doing the best they can right now and so I and the best I can is to help them go through this in a different way so that's a big one the rewind is that I just mentioned is that you know is a big one of but they're sorry it's not part of the ten powers so so this the change of mindset is really because of catching my belief so that so this the other one is really the feeling the power of interception is something the reason everything my several therapists have told me that obviously I'm doing I'm writing what I'm writing because I'm the one who needs is the most because this is the reality and and and the power of interception is something that hasn't come easily to me because I shut off my feelings for many many years and so I read to regularly practice we remember that actually even if it's not a big feeling that because I tend to shut them off when I feel something it's important that I use my feel it cards because when I when I think oh well when I think you see I just said it when I think what am I feeling it's difficult for me to connect to that these feelings I'm not two hundred percent sure and sometimes I feel like oh my god I can't I can't feel my feelings again it's so I go into this inner bully of like oh no again I can't feel my feeling and that's why I use my feel it cards because then with using cards instead of just trying to think about the feelings you use a different part of your brain and therefore I can actually just pick three or four cards and I realize that's what I'm feeling and so doing this more regularly than I used to really helps because it's important because once you acknowledge your feelings you're not your own things you're not you know pushing them on the carpet then it doesn't come out because the more you suppress feelings and the more they're going to come out at some point so actually it's important to regularly get this out so I think that's the really important thing that I that I do for self-care and then the third is definitely more stillness so you know it doesn't have to be always meditation it can be meditation but it can also be just walk in the park and being still and not constantly be thinking because just these 10-15 minutes really helped like to ground myself and to then not be as hyper as you've seen on this podcast I have a lot of passion I was
Speaker 2literally just going to say that Nadim it's not hyper it's it's there's so much passion and I think that's why you know I just love a lot you know I could talk to you for hours that there's so much passion behind what you do there's an acknowledgement and a self-awareness and I'm I'm so so grateful that you've taken time out to talk to us and what we will make sure that we share all of the links to the happy confident companies resources which are phenomenal because I just think that giving children tools and and it's about having things that they can touch that they can play that they can download things in with the right prompts are so crucial and for all children whether they're the ones that sit and ponder over things or whether they're the ones that come out and blurt out everything that's happened during the day it's just having those sort of tools to hand is just so so Nadim I want to thank you so much I think there are so many other things that we didn't get to talk about so I think we'll have to have you back on to have another conversation but I'm so grateful
Speaker 3thank you thank you so much Marianne I'd really enjoyed it thanks for all your well great contribution to and I want to mention something the HTM TV so which is our happy confident TV program describing the 10 skills with Emma Willis presenting it is actually currently free for schools and therefore it'd be amazing if any of you could come and watch it and I think it's going to be a great opportunity so if you have any teachers listening to this or parents who want to see this in their school just contact us and contact at happyconfident.com and they'll be able to access the program for free for a certain limited period but we want this to be accessible for everyone and to help children so they'll learn the 10 powers and it's dedicated for children 8 to 11 so year 4 to year 6 so thanks a lot that's amazing we will
Speaker 2make sure that we for those of you listening for that in the free resource library we will share the links so that you can go straight to that because that's such an incredible thing that you're doing and for parents and schools to be able to access it for free is amazing thank you Nadine at Harmony Bank we believe that better happens together
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