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Every week I talk to insiders that lend insight and expertise on the meeting you know and love past, present and future. Subscribe now on your favorite podcasting platform or watch us on YouTube so you never miss a beat. Let's make sense of this industry together. Alright guys, let's watch the interview with the vampire. You guys, we finished an interview with the vampire. Oh my God, dude. It was a day and good time. Oh my God, dude. Thanks for the patron support. You guys can ask questions that allow us to shout out to my proxy to talk with Roxy. Where were the Emmy nominations for this? Where were they? John Ra. How it goes. For performance for both of them. I mean, come on. I have. And also, we have been less, we've been, I know you're trying to tell people things but I have to talk right now. Our mom. Yeah, what about it? We were so right. I mean, this little slimy mofo, the whole time we clocked you from day one, Armand. No regrets. Alright, we'll get to it. Now please go take it away. We got like 20 minutes here and a lot of questions. He just sucked. He sucked the whole time and he was a liar and we knew he was a liar and Daniel knew he was a liar and like Louis deep down knew his liar and and he and Louis never asked for his memories to be taken. Armand sucked the whole time and when you see a snake, they're going to snake all the time. And Listaat, you know, like Armand was a wolf and sheep's clothing. Listaat was just a wolf and I'll always prefer a wolf. And the fact that Listaat actually did save him and feels this trauma about Claudia and there was like not much she could do, even though Claudia legitimately tried to kill Listaat. Just beyond happy, beyond happy. It would have perfect. I'm so glad that they didn't turn this into like Armand and and Louis meant to be together. Like fuck you, Armand. You know, I know what you mean. Yeah, you kind of just kept evolving more into like a little bitch, the more the more the season kept going. What a villain. Right down to the moment of him just taking credit for something he didn't do. And the fact that like, imagine Armand every day being like, I'm so lucky that this stat isn't outing me. Yeah, I'm so lucky to be second choice to the stat. So lame. He chose his cousin and whatever. He's such a loser, such a loser. Armand's a fucking loser, bro. Dude, this is a really solid finale. It's so good. So everything I hoped dreamed wanted period. The only thing I was just hoping for Claudia to be alive, it wouldn't have really made sense, but I love that actress. I'm bummed. Well, the ending kind of feels like two parents who lost a child. Yeah. Because they're kind of bonded for life through that pain. But and I do like that they did point out she was already gone like she was supposed to die in a fire as a kid. Yeah. She got 50 more years. Yeah. But yeah, that was man, this was perfect, perfect finale. I think this was the best episode of the show yet. Beyond excited for season three, really hopeful that it has more listat and Louis together. But I would watch listat. What's it called? Book of listat. It's just called the vampire list. The vampire I was watching no matter what. I mean, like, I saw some image. I haven't seen the teaser or anything. I saw some image of him like doing music and he talks about here going on tour. So I think that's what it has to deal with. It's him going on tour for something. Do we know if Louis is in it? I have no idea. Well, now we can Google things, right? I mean, I'd rather just wait to find out. If we've gone in blind. We've gone in blind this whole time. But now we're with the audience. I still like being blind. You can look up later. I'd rather not know. I'd rather be blind to what's going to happen. Yeah, I'd rather not know. We've come this far without knowing anything. That's true. That's true. Man, this show, this show is so good. Maybe people will actually start watching us for the third season because we're going to be on top of the. Maybe. and we'll be. That's the hope. That's the hope. The button, I will say, Greg, and I checked out episode six and seven that we did together. The absolute nicest audience ever. So far. Holy shit. So far. So far. We don't want more views. Yeah, I would rather be. I would rather be. Honestly, I've been so sad these days and you guys have made me so like collective together. Happy. Just. Wuh. Happy to see you filling you with energy and emotion. Yeah, yeah. This episode was fucking fierce. I would watch this episode ten more times in a row right now. I'd get hungry. But we do have my protein cookies. Yeah, that moment with Daniel. Daniel, when he's putting the piece together and I was like, you were already lean forward. I was like, wait, what is Daniel? When he's like, oh, so when Lestat did that thing in New Orleans? Did that like when he's fat checking? Well, there were like a couple of visual clues. The opening shot with. When you see the three of them, Daniels in the center and they're divided, you point out they're far apart and it's like symbolic that Daniels going to be the thing that becomes the ultimate wedge for them. Yeah. And when they started, when they punched in on Daniel in that moment, it was mirroring the way they shot the play in the last episode where that was all about perspective truths coming to the surface. So I was like, okay, so then I'll just about to be there. There's about to be some kind of card here. I was really pulled into it. Do you think there's any world in which Lestat orchestrated Daniel getting that information? No, I don't think so either. I don't buy that. Look, we got a lot of questions. Yeah, go ahead. I got to move on to something else after this. So let's get to it. Vampire Toad. You must be our mom then if you're a toad. He's a new guy. Welcome. So she's insulting him. Well, he called himself a toad. Well, I mean, just people like a toad or toads, toads a character in the X-Men world. I mean, I know someone who wants to make a solo comic of him. Toad is in Mario Brothers. Yeah. So toads are great animals. So maybe vampire toad. It's not in vampire chode, you know, so it's all right. What's wrong with the chode, Greg? Well, you got me there. We kind of heard about the vampire chode with Santiago. It's just because his balls are so big. That's my favorite line. It's on brand for me to finally show up here. The episode wrecked me when I saw it, especially the conclusion with Lou Inless Thought. He wasn't as evil as I thought or as he seemed. So much happened. Yeah. I loved our minds in a pickup. Any suspicious clues so you can imagine how betrayed I fell with how much I adored Claudia. How have your perceptions of the characters this season changed? Are you as emotionally wrecked as the rest of us? Damn, that's so interesting that you loved our mind. If we like imagine what the season would have been like if we were connected to our mind. Oh, yeah, that would have been heartbreaking heartbreaking heartbreaking. I didn't feel that way. I felt vindicated. Yeah. I was like, yeah, you slimy slithering puck. I love the person. I'm not emotionally wrecked. I'm just about very emotionally impressed is what I would say. And the perceptions of the characters primarily with Louie because there's always a very big who he was when he was mainly in Paris before he was imprisoned. We lined up a lot with all of his past storyline. And it was such a different person than the one that was presenting himself to Daniel in our present storyline. You're talking about our mind or you're talking about Louie. Louie. Okay. And then when Louie is resurrected per se or reborn, that version is the one that we see tethered more closely to the present version. And I was really impressed with his performance the most in this episode as because he has he's had a complete character transformation from the time we've met him through kind of being, you know, a little overly sensitive from time to time or something like that. And the most of the most. Oh, lack of a good wording to put to it. Now he's on tonight. And now he's just like such a badass. He's not as frightful or scared or hiding. He's like the last thing he's going to do was hide because he's looking at his gift now, which he verbalizes out loud instead of looking at life as a curse. And this is yeah, it's a story of acceptance really. And it's like a sort of acceptance identity for forgiveness, accountability. There's a lot. So I was really impressed with that. And yeah, you didn't cry during this at all. No, I didn't. I did. When they joined that's good fifth on now. And they joined back together when they are guys joined back together that I was emotionally wrecked by that part because when the staff. everything that Lista said, you know, we always kept questioning his perspective. Is that true? How he turned? Was that even true? Because we have created him to be this bigger monster. And in the retelling of the story, Louis has had 77 years to think about all the time. He was a monster and embellish and whatever and be fed by our mind about what happened in the past. But come to find out in this episode, it seems like Lista told the truth a lot. It seems like he actually loved Louis and obviously wasn't perfect. But yeah, they just that really did the interaction wrecked me. Really, really good. Yeah, it was beautiful. It was still beautiful moment. I thought. Caroline, how do you feel about the reveal that Daniel's vampire at the end of the episode? Um, wow, you're iffy. I kind of wish he wasn't really why? Just like the idea that he was human. I don't really, I hope we spend more time with him. I think that would be the only way to keep him as a character in some way. I just feel like he's more interestingly complex as the human amongst the vampires. So I don't really know what that would because I want to see what that I would want to see more. If I don't want that to just be the end of Daniel, I would want to see more of what he's like because the Daniels of human would have a lot of moral conundrums with killing a human, a random human being stranger at night after leaving an interview or book convention or signing wherever he was coming from. So I want to see a little bit more. I'm more like mixed on it than I am super satisfied with it or something. Do you really like it? He's interesting because of his illness and kind of also the fact that it doesn't seem like he asked for it. It seems like Armand took that choice for him. I would have been really surprised if the end was that he wanted to turn. But he was forced. And so I do think it gives him, I do hope we see him too. I do think it gives him fuel to like be talking about the vampires and release this book and all this stuff because like this, this happened to him. And now he's dealing with it and trying to go on that journey that you were talking about with Louie. It's a fair point. I'm self-accepted. And they think about it like that. But I do agree with you that at first I kind of was like, I don't know. We need to have some humans. Like we need to have some humans in the story and that right now we don't. But I'm sure we will. I'm sure we will. Mary soul. Hello there. Hello there. I'm Mary. That final scene of Louie and the stat embracing in the storm is easily one of my favorites. Maybe the favorite in the whole series. So good. It's so beautiful. It almost makes you forget how toxic their love can be. Facts. Where does it rank among your top scenes? Let's say top three. Thank you for the ride. I was it's definitely up there because it's completely telling of the characters. I don't know what else would be up there. I think that that's what they don't let you forget how toxic their love is because there is this is literally in a storm. Their love is a storm. And watching this, I think it was perfect. The dialogue was perfect. The performances were so elevated that I think that they honestly not only should have been nominated, probably should have won Emmys for this season. The yeah, definitely definitely up there. Couple up is for the last three episodes. I feel like I've just been blown away by the reveals and the things that there's been a many, many scenes. But yeah, that one was really, really powerful, really powerful. They definitely don't let you forget that their relationship was toxic. They starts off with the apologies and Lista has to the stack. It's interrupted when he's saying like we can keep going over all the ways we did terrible things to each other. And but that's the point. Like the idea of of nuance and perspective and layers to everything. And it's like up to the audience to decide whether or not we think it's really subjective take on whether we think they should be together or not, you know? The trial scene, which is a whole episode is really interesting as well. That's probably top three as well for me. That was beautiful scene. Yeah. Take it away. Grace is back. Thank Christ. Oh my God. So much guilt finally gone. Once you clap for a grace. I'll clap. Go for it. Thank goodness. Grace came back to you. She didn't hate you anymore. Thank Christ. Hey, guys, hope you loved the last episode. The two seasons together make one book. How do you feel about the story structure and the writing of the show and its characters as a whole? Okay. Story structure, phenomenal. Love that they kept discussing and the perspective shifts and the narrator being not reliable all the time. Writing ridiculously strong characters as a whole. Hell yeah. I thought this season, especially did a really great job at feeling a bit like a psychological play. Like the backdrop of having the vampire theater show. And then lining it up with how every character you're supposed to be sort of like suspicious of. It felt like watch, it felt like watching a play, but it didn't draw the eye. It didn't, didn't fill it like a play. You know, sometimes when you watch a movie that's adapted from a play and it just feels like you're watching a play. Yeah. Like it. That's it. The fence is one of those where it's like there's I should I should just be watching the stage. It's really good. Great performances. But like why am I watching this on? And they take advantage of having enough adventure and enough location change up and embracing the film New War genre in this season to have everyone to have it be a mystery of who to trust and what is truth. So I thought the way they structure this and particularly this episode. I know you asked about the writing. The writing we were always praising the the ton out of it. The directing of this episode. I thought was particularly special. Yeah. The whole sequence with him taking revenge and reborn and fire and away also being emblematic of the feelings that he is. It had been conjuring up while simmering down and the hellhole he was put in. I thought it was like, oh, beautifully directed episode in the last shot with the stat in Daniel. No, the stat and Louis where they are just looking at each other. We can't even hear what they're saying when you see the lips move sometimes and you just got like the windows and the possibility that the house is going to come crashing down. And it's like, let's put this to an end now. It was beautiful. I think it's a really beautifully directed episode. We talked about the adaptation of this from the book. And it makes sense that this is so strong. The second season I'm with you. Greg, I think the second season was stronger because it's the back half of a book. What's so weird to me because I've never read this book is everybody. Maybe you guys know maybe you don't. Greg knows I watched this movie for the channel. I did not like the movie. I really struggled with the movie. I don't understand how this what the book was if the plot like the book was nothing like this. So I mean, the movie was nothing like this. So is the plot of the book more similar to this? Well, to my understanding someone told us this in the first season is that they're not actually it's more like homosexual undertones instead of being a full queer love story. So that gives a whole lot more to write. Right. Full queer love story. Cool. All right. And because it's a lot about, you know, closeted. It's about secrecy. Gay man having a child. There's a lot of it. You know what Daniel? Because we know that Daniel was interested in Louis and then had a wife. So I'm curious about his story. Yeah. Here we go. Nin potato. Hi guys. Glad to see you're okay. I had these questions. We're a little early. We are cut up. Sometimes I didn't think much of when I first watched, but that really stuck on me after several rewatches was Daniel's. Where does the bullshit start? Armand. This must be in connection to the last story last episode. Armand has been present the whole interview and disguised for half of it. Do you think there's anything else in the story that he tweaked, removed added and beyond with Louis and Daniel caught? Exeter for season three, the vampire list thought. Oh, I'm so glad we didn't read this question last time. What else would he have? We've been a little spoilery. What else would he have done? Yeah, there definitely could be more and it could be that Claudio's alive. I don't think she's alive. I know Greg. Because let's start. I know. Would if the stop was present for everybody, if the stop wasn't present, he for sure would have felt it because he's the one here. Yeah, he's the one who turned her. So yeah, I'm really would too. Yeah. I don't know what else he could have lied about, but definitely him turning Daniel. I want to hear more about and what happened there because Louis point Blinks had don't harm him. And then he did that. So like, what was that scenario like and how long? I wonder if his backstory is not true. He gave like a really lavish backstory in that art museum. Yeah, I mean, he he essentially talked about being sold into sex slavery. Yeah, I don't think I don't know how true any of that would be wild if he made up the whole thing. So Narcissists and Lyres just be lying though. So I don't believe what God damn word he says. And then probably at the beginning Tony holy shit. I'm at work and you guys are going to are going to finish it. What are your immediate thoughts on Armand after realizing he was the orchestrator of the play? And do you think it was going to take losing Claudia for a stat to finally feel some form of love for her? It's interesting because you talked about how great the directing is in this. And it's like also Armand is the director of the play. Just great parallels. Um, I my immediate thoughts were thank goodness because we picked up on all those cues that you rely on. And I don't think it took the stat losing Claudia to realize he had some love for her. All right. That's not my interpretation of that. Well, finding out our mom was the orchestra. of the play just goes to show how frightened he is. He's just a scared little man. Even right down to, he had to make the entire thing look like he wasn't the orchestrator of the play in front of Louis' eyes. In front of the stats eyes. I don't know, Louis' eyes. It's like he didn't need to do any of that. (laughs) He could have just turned, but he just can't confront the truth even with Louis. Panty. And do I think it was gonna take a little effort now? I think her death probably did make him realize how much more he did love her because they did try to kill him. Pretty bad. They did turn on him. Pretty bad. And he says when she looked at me, she looked like a child. Yeah, and it was in her final moments. You know? So I imagine that there's so much revenge one wants and then sometimes when they get it, like what he's talking about in here, the rage and everything goes away but nothing replaces it sometimes. And so perhaps the rage and everything went away when she died and underneath that rage was the love that he should have been holding onto and maybe he wouldn't have participated in any of this shit. Should have what a cut of dude. And if he didn't, yeah, so it's probably hard brain stuff. Anyway. - Pedals. - You? - I do. - Pedals 45. Season three, Van Partle's dot, like the book. Okay, so there was a book. We'll contain parts of Louis and LaSat's story. There you go. Told from LaSat's perspective. Would you be content with that perspective or are you hoping that they will also include story telling from a neutral third party? Think anything dominant and lay a LaSat, I'm okay with. - No, me too. And also is it part of the story that we missed or is it part of the story moving forward? I'm curious. I don't need a neutral third party. I wouldn't have even called Daniel a neutral third party. I like the way they play with perspective. We haven't gotten LaSat yet, so. - Yeah. - Thank you. Ultraviolet, Greg and Roxy. Oh my God, Greg, this is the toughest question yet. How are you gonna navigate this? Do you forgive LaSat? Should Louis take him back? - Yes, I forgive LaSat, 'cause there are a bunch of crazy fucking vampires. So I don't view them. It's just regular human being people. So yeah, I do. And should you would Louis take him back? I mean, if he was willing to like, suck her up and be with our mom for 77 years, why not take back LaSat? - Just to stick into LaSat. - Yeah. I definitely am with you. Obviously abusers are abusers. These are vampires. I'm looking at it differently. He dropped him from the sky. I forgive LaSat. I definitely wanna see them back together. So yes. - Yeah. - And now they can have a new kind of more even ground relationship, 'cause Louis now is coming to his own. - Yeah, it is just so crazy. And it's gonna be crazy, 'cause it's gonna be modern day, you know? - I don't know, that's true. - I mean, from what it seems like of what they're doing with the story, but the one day, like when he said Siri turned that off, I was like, that was so weird that he said that. - That was so weird. - That was so strange to hear those times say that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really cathartic to see Louis be welcomed in New Orleans as a black man at a hotel and be respected like that, knowing that when he tried to run things, he was literally run out, not just for being a vampire, but being a personal color. - Right, right. - That was really interesting. So that part of me does make it, make me curious about current day, what it would be like for them. I would honestly really like if they, I know he went to Dubai, but I would love a Louis Listat back in New Orleans, season three. - Dude, I'm down for anything. - Yeah, man. - I'm down for anything. - Yeah, and LaSat's gotta come help with Louis, 'cause Louis just opened the floodgates and said, "Come and get me, motherfuckers." - I hope they show that scene. That would be really good. 'Cause they show that they know how to do violence in action in a really unique way. So I hope they show that scene. Anyway, guys, thank you so much for sticking in now with us. Thanks, Roxy, for bringing all your soul whilst you are still recovering. And it's really impressive of you to be here and do that. - But show me that easy and so did you. I'm so happy that we covered this together, dude. - I'm so happy that we did do it. I'm happy to do season three. See you guys for the next season. (upbeat music)