Integrity Matters - Social Changemakers Podcast Interview of Tamara Davis Brown

[Music] Welcome back to another episode of All Politics's Local, the Maryland edition, with me, your host, Tamara Davis Brown. First, I need to apologize for my leave of absence due to family caretaking responsibilities. But I'm thrilled to be back, and guess what? Thanks to all of you, my amazing listeners, for your likes, shares, and subscriptions. All politics's local has ranked number seven among all Maryland political podcasts. How about that? We even surpassed former Governor Erlich's podcast, and this is incredible news, and I couldn't have done it without you. So I want to take a moment to thank each and every one of you for your continued support. Your likes, shares, listens, and subscriptions have brought us this far. So let's keep the momentum going. I have a goal to be in the top three in the rankings by the end of the year. So please keep liking, sharing, listening, subscribing to All Politics's Local Podcast. During my leave of absence, I had the privilege of being interviewed by Ms. Kaleela Denny for her podcast, Social Changemakers. You may remember Ms. Denny from when I interviewed her for the good news segment of this podcast. Well, she has started her own podcast now, and I was honored to be her 17th interviewer. I'm going to share that interview with you today on All Politics's Local as we dive into my background, the work I've done in the county and my future plans. It's a fantastic conversation recorded several weeks ago before the recent news of the vacant county council seat, but the timing feels divinely orchestrated. Speaking of the county council seat, I have some exciting news that I want to share with you that I'm breaking on this episode. I have officially filed to be a candidate for the at large county council seat. This is a significant opportunity to represent the entire county of Prince George's County, and I couldn't be more excited. It means every registered voter in Prince George's County can vote for me. Now remember, Maryland is a close primary state. So on Tuesday, August the 6th, which is the date of the special election, Maryland, Prince George's County registered Democrats will vote for their Democratic candidates. And likewise, Prince George's County Republican voters will vote for their candidate. So on Tuesday, August 6th is the primary election with early voting starting July 31st through August 5th. The Maryland Board of Elections will be mailing out mail-in ballots beginning June, July 23rd, so keep an eye out for yours in the mail. I'm sharing this news with you today because this episode is the perfect opportunity to reach the entire county and let them know about my campaign. Not everyone may know my name or have heard my voice on this podcast, but together you can help me change that. So please share this episode with everyone you know from the northern to the central to the southern parts of Prince George's County. Let my campaign slogan, a name you know and a voice you trust, resonate with as many people as possible. Thank you again for your unwavering support and I appreciate each and every one of you. Now let's dive into the interview with Ms. Calila Denny of Social Changemakers Podcast as she interviews yours truly, Tamara Davis-Brat. Hello, welcome to the Social Changemakers Podcast. I am your host, Calila Denny. I am here today to speak with another phenomenal individual who is here in our community. None other than that's camera Davis Brown. Welcome to the podcast. Well, thank you for having me. Yes, I feel like you're reciprocal because you were a guest on my podcast. Yes, I was. I mean, speaking of your podcast, tell us about the podcast. So my podcast, I'm actually proud to say I have not announced it yet, but I got news that I am right. The seventh most rating for a political podcast. My podcast is all politics is low bull on the Maryland edition with me, your host, Tamritate is proud. So as soon as you can just listen to this, run a word after I'm saying this, the chain list, the chain list, the yeah, all politics is local, the Maryland edition. And so that's that's the thing we're about to. Well, I'm glad you mentioned it because I enjoy being one of your first guests, I believe, on the podcast, sharing about the Ditty House, our nonprofit. Yes, that in the work that we do with the community and how much, you know, we align as it relates to just that. So advocacy and all that that stuff, all that the jazz, right. Support the people in the community, support and, you know, individuals who don't have a voice and, you know, raising our voices to some what that right. So how has the podcast space, you know, you just talk about your award or your breaking, if you will, right. Yeah, you put me on a spot, right. I'm trying to remember the name of the organization that's up and so busy with some other endeavors right now that I can't remember, but I just remember getting this email. And I was so excited. So I told the mic executive producer and other folks editors, all the folks that I was like, what's that came because I feel like I haven't put as much work inside of me to. But my podcast, like I said, it ranked number seven, I love like Bob early, who is the former governor of near when it was a lot of the podcast and it came like just under former lieutenant governor Michael steal Lou Lou turn podcast, I feel pretty yeah, I said well, how much are you in good company because a lot of us who are overachievers feel like we're not doing enough right. And you know, the world or, you know, those who, you know, are looking in or telling us, oh, you don't such a great job. But we always could see the ways that we can improve. And that nothing wrong with that. So I'm just I'm just as proud as I can be to be a part of such a successful podcast is in your segment just to kind of explain that I do too I think the goal of the podcast and what is reasons why I wanted to bring you on is because of the good work that I know you do in the community that how you work with you know the delts this yeah I don't even know what to call it in gin whatever is I'm in the middle of the year. What do you want to do to gin wide gin was not just the gin and it's not just that you're gonna be able to go to all of those. It was too full one to educate the younger generation on politics and how impacts them and what local government and civics at all of those types of subjects why it's important to be involved in a lot of other things I wanted to report on is the fact that we hear so much negative news and I said I'm gonna start a network call instead of like CNN I was gonna say GNN good news network yeah and so I wanted to feature so I have a segment that's good news yeah I wanted to feature good news that's going on in the community that you're doing that involves young people genetics yeah type people and so I did them review immediately came to mind I was like Caluila Denny in the Denny House they are chilling again and what they do here in the community and all the young people and young adults that their impact and teaching them a trade it's you so I really you know admire you and love the work that you do and so I want it you to be one of the first cursing that we interview a terrorist of getting the kidneys out about what we're doing and I can invite you back you're like says I know you guys and step going on and now that you got this you're okay man we got to reciprocate yes man yes man so I appreciate that we all continue to do good work serving our argue and I would turn it or did it so oh yeah well yeah everything I really I'm just so grateful to just continue to be able to do something that I love that I enjoy and that you know brings brings me joy you know what I mean right for so long I worked in you know corporate America if you will and I was not happy I was just working for a paycheck so when I was able to stop my whole business you start this nonprofit yeah I was forced into it but you know I'm glad I was forced into it is sometimes sometimes we I was sharing with the young lady recently that you know sometimes we're not we're not looking at the right if you get let it go or fire from a job it's not necessarily you know a loss it might be a win for you it might be pushing you into that desire desire purpose style have for you and that's exactly what happened to me you know I was pushed into that desire purpose I was already doing the work part time right and then you know I decided you know I'm going to just go all there and when I lost my job and this is what I've been doing ever since with this and my for profit days come salsa which is why we're here you know I was supporting other now I'm profit, helping them grow. And you know, just working with people in the community. So right. You're one of those good people. And we want to talk a little bit about your advocacy, the work that you do. You know, I want to share with people like just the success that you had today. Tell us a little bit about your work and episode. So my work in advocacy really started. And I hope I'm not jumping into the gun. But I do feel like I need to better tell the coal store. Yeah. Oh, because I know when we were going to talk about my upbringing, yeah, let's start there. I'm not a jumping guy with that question or thought. And then, you know, keep me in line. And I'm wrong with that. Keep you in line. Well, let's start with a brand. Well, what really got me interested in it. I wouldn't say interested. I was a drug into it. And I used this term. My parents used to drag us to city council meetings, PTSA meetings, school board meetings, just that the other. And, you know, I had no idea what was going on. I just knew that we were going to another, you know, something acidic, some city council meeting. And my dad was getting up speed double mom was getting up to speak about some issue and some redress that they wanted in their community. And so it's just been instilled in me. We had to be a person that I'm on. Heaks. I were elected officials accountable. And I remember this story. It always liked to tell the story. My mom, we read a city council meeting. My mom kind of, I don't think I was in the third brave. Yeah. Kind of like weaned over to me. And she's like, see those people of fear that does in yes ma'am. And she said, those people are textile was paper there, a salary there accountable to a while. Yeah. And I've already left food. Yep. I've always remembered that. And then she went on and told me what we were there for. I had no idea. You can't remember. But that never broke you man. With shout seven by seven years. Oh, third grade. Like, okay. Yeah. Back to coloring in my color. But whatever I was doing, I can hear my mind's on it. Now that you grow up here. And I literally grew up not in Christchurches County. I actually grew up in Houston, Texas. That's where my family is. And that's where I was born and raised. I can't remain to the Washington DC area. It actually moved to Christchurches County in 1988 when I was at law school. Like that accepted to how it's law school. Okay. And I ended up staying with the print of minds of family. Who I went to undergraduate with, they lived in Fort Washington right off above Palmer, Palmer Road. Yeah. Two, ten in a little Allen acres. And I decided that I really liked a print store to county. I mean, the fact that it was at that time, it was still, you know, glendidding was I think still the county executive. But Wayne Curry was, you know, coming through the little inner and the coming our first blind African, you know, African American County executive. And you know, the county was really pressing. And I liked the southern area of the county because it and I thought my whole bit like home. It did a little bit like home. I like the role. This, you know, I'm used to, you know, I'm I live off of the scant away road down from the scant away stable. Right. I don't need the forces there and all that stuff in the farmer's market, you know, in Texas, they had, look, they called my daughter asked me, this reaches her like, what is this road? It's FM stand for. And the road is called FM, whatever number 1960 was an answer to farmer's market. Because that road leads you to the farmer's market literally. So, but that kind of, I kind of fell in love with, you know, just that role in this, the local farms and this and that. And, but I've been here, you know, I decided to practice a lot that, where I'm the type of law that that practice I actually need to be in Washington. You see, to do it because it's a battle practice and it was great practice. It's telecommunications. I can get into that later, but I knew I needed to be in this area in order to pursue that type of career that she wanted, you know, then I wanted. Okay. So that's kind of how I got that started and got to Prince George's County and I've been living in, you know, a lot of district, the council district, eight or council district nine. The entire time, mostly nine was I've lived in for Washington just those three years and then I'm going to, I was at Agateek for a year and I got the current home that I'm in now. I've been in that home for over 13 years. Oh wow. Beautiful. Beautiful. So you said that, um, you, you went to law school at Howard University and so how was that experience coming from Texas to how are you? Right. That was, that was amazing. Absolutely amazing. I, I, I, to this day, I'm just so grateful for the education that I got at Howard because it really opened my mind and explained to my mind and it also helped. It's still in me to be the community activist that I am. It says we're taught to be social engineers. And what a social engineer is is that you, it doesn't matter what I go, law, you practice what you, you, you use your legal skills to fit us in your community. Right. Right. And you use your legal skills to help somebody else and to help the overall, uh, if you will, social, economic, and collectively impact a African-American community. And that's always kind of been my vision, that my vision of my, my drive because that was so instilled in us is like, you know, we don't care if you practice tax law, we don't care if you practice poor for love, you know, you know, my own middle, you got to come back. Yeah. And help and use it to help your community. For little though, that's, that's been my pooch, you know, I've always remembered those lessons and how it was possible. It was fun, not a lot of you loved it. I don't know. Beautiful. Beautiful. So once you left how are law school, what did, what did it look like for you? Did you go into a private practice or did you work for the government? How, how did your career start? Once you left, how are, once I left, how were I, actually had a job waiting for me at a law firm that specialized in telecommunications law. So that's my specialty. I do wire specifically wireless telecommunications before the middle communications commission. And so I went to work for what they call a full teach law firm because they were very sped, how they specialize. And that's where I cut my teeth and, you know, and learn a lot because at that time, which was, I graduated in 1991, Stelula was not out. It wasn't that as popular, you know, all the the rich in the famous had those big break, funneled back in the day. Or it was kind of walkie, what they call a walkie talkie type stuff. But I used to represent a lot of private companies that use it, push to talk of technology. Yeah. And that technology parlayed itself to what they call PCS personal community, facial service. Okay. And then that became the ubiquitous cell phone service. Right. I don't know. Right. And so I love what I do because the technology is always changing. We had a law is trying to catch up with the technology. Yeah. So it's always and I'm always learning fat. I'm always learning something new. It's always a new legal issue. It's like, Oh, what do you think about that? It's a technology does this. You know, how does it affect that? You know, like now the big thing is AI. And how do we kind of add it? Wraening it in a little bit because, you know, there's some negative impacts that we can see just like you can now see the negative impact in social media or teens. You probably saw at least I saw recently, out of the search in general, as Mike say, we need warnings. And children don't leave cell phones before ice date, which is something. Yeah. I hear a lot of that. Yeah. Yeah. And so, so the technology is always changing and you've got to figure out, you know, what's that social impact? You know, by taking my law of mind, how are training a law degree? What is that impact? How does that impact negatively or positively on the African American community? Yeah. And what kind of laws and what kind of changes need to occur in order to make sure that our quality of light is not decline or is actually a prune. Right. Well, I'm glad you'd test on that because I wanted to know how that translates into the work that you do to support your community. How does the laws that, you know, govern the technology space? How does that help you to get back in on some other or more of your brain? I think I keep those two things separate in terms of my law practice. And then what I do as a community activist, what I do as a community activist is what I call to be and hope people benefit from is that they are educated and engaged about what their local state and the federal government is doing. Mostly local and state, I'm more in Sartre because that impacts you the laws. What happens? It covers sometimes is such a, but well, not only a head but such high level that It may or may not trickle down to how it affects you Some of it does yeah, some of it does your lot of it does and you I see you've got it down me No, I'm I just have my whole thing is then I'm thinking about about it From the same lens. I do believe that local is state governance The laws and things at local level and patch you more or But I also think that the the things that happen in Congress also impacts you. I think a lot of times we As you're probably alluding to we get so caught up in the presidential elections and all of that for it And we forget about how important it is at a local level to vote for people who have the same goals have the same form Bought use as you want to see the same things and prove in your community that you do because if you don't You know, you don't focus on that if you don't vote for those those individuals You don't really get a chance of had the right to even you know gripe about the fact that maybe the school the laws are changing in the school systems and it's especially when it comes to We know certain things like your Your school board you're elected to those people that you're left for the school board Driving force that you know tells you what's gonna happen in your public schools If you want your kids to go to public school You want to know who these people are what their core values are what they stand for and how they're gonna govern the school system That's got a bit of future and sure so that's right. I'm I'm with you I just think it was like yeah, it's still important. It's important in the four Yeah, but what I think and you said it exactly it get the nailering it so many people want to vote that presidential election And then when the local election come around like I feel okay, you know, I'll vote for Yeah, the person that looks the prettiest all the the post bearer Person that I've seen the most I got that I got so much mail from this person They're gonna vote for that never do that homework never so what I try to do is I try to make it easy for them. I try to help Our local Prince Georgie and Frittin to say these are the people that are writing here's a website where you can buy us an Information about the good or these are the issues like in November therefore to be ballot initiatives Every presidential cycle. There's always a ballot initiative. Oh, we always vote on ballot initiatives And I don't want to go into the gas on that but You know people don't know what these questions are asking so what I try to do is Use my legal Debris and and break down because a lot of it is written in legal. Yeah, it's sometimes it's very So easy and confusing here so I and a lot of times we only see it the day of election and we we haven't seen it before Right have a red before don't understand what it is But we're actually making a selection that's uninformed. It's anchor exactly So what I try to do is it if that's of that Read it do the research and tell you hey This is what this is asking you to do with this is how it's gonna impact you Yeah, and I give the pros and the cars and I try not to give my personal opinion sometimes I do sometimes I say I I'm not voting this way or I don't like this Legislation of this field because yeah, but that's just my personal right I still want you to do the Lakework, but at least I've given you wrong the background information I try to be as Neutral as possible here give you the background information let you know what Whether it's a bill whether it's something that you're voting on whether it's any piece of legislation that is coming out What you need to vote on yeah, I mean what you need to know in order to make it informed this yeah Yeah, because it's it's it's so unfortunate that we don't make informed Decisions and we can see the results of that take away you know at the national level Yeah, you definitely see it at the local level and then we kind of wonder why was it what did this happen? You know, why did they approve this you know, but why did they approve this to develop net and they still did widen the roads Why are they doing this and we still have the same old? Run down school. Yeah, well, I appreciate the fact that she nipped on that for several years as always I know you since 2018 I've seen that piece like always because assistant right with you whether like you say whether there's those issues that we're checking Yes or no one or whether it's you know the individuals who who are running for election and being able to just share their information I've been the recipient of the lot of those emails that has really helped me just be able to okay now I got it in front of me. I'm reading it and you know, so now I have to go and do my all we search with right just Open my eyes to some things like I was just telling Our cameraman here Q that I'm not even aware of who's planning on wanting right now like I'm not seeing It's much I guess information just yet as who's coming out for county council We would say some people dropping awesome things are happening in the news. There's some new seats that are available so it's like I'm looking for that information I'll sign those something's gonna come out soon from you sharing with you know, what's happening all right District nine it was happening, you know, in fresh shortage count and so I look forward to that It did yeah, it please share it, you know, yeah, I do always say bottom of my emails and you know I send out blast emails and and the reason I start the podcast because I know the gen X is on that reading email And it's all social media it went ahead. I mean, but I do you For for the for my generation and and and but I older than our season seniors They still you know they're like don't read that don't my son vapor I still love the tangible thing they can hold and yes the black and white yes, and then they pass it on to others So you know, I'm hopeful that you know the information is getting and disseminated and people know and you know I'm I don't always make myself available to answer questions. I tried it You know make sure to check my email so that if somebody has a question about something I did well Sometimes I don't like disclose like how I'm voting or how I feel Remember some people will come out and straight out like what it's okay. Does it tell me what you gonna do? I Have that conversation with you privately Or you know send them a email privately is like okay, but I don't want you to that. I don't want this disseminated This is me telling you how I personally feel, but I never try to impose on my you know What my decision I want you to come to your own it for right? Right, and that's that's good to have that position because you don't want to for so a push on anybody Anything really, but you just want to give them some insight sometimes People don't want to ask the questions, but they do want they they want to know what sure thinking they want to know what and is for me It's important for me to understand who I am and what what what matters to me But I also want to hear you know Some insights from my peers so people around me what they're thinking because they may have a different perspective that I never thought about Right, I'm not to say that I made that it you know I'm gonna go with a sway with the wind But it's important to hear you know more than just one side of the story They're right all there's so many different levels that right people can bring to the table They think different so it may you know give you some insight that you didn't think about to change your mind where Speaking of that, you know you've had a Political career of your own right that you at least you know I've a damn to have one right to go through rear of me. I love you talk about it. Well I think because of the advocacy that I was doing for the community whether it was on our Clujas PTSA about you know I was active in our children's PTSA. I think I was secretary and Beliezon to the the counties PTSA Program but they had and Because I was you know in those meetings and going to the county council He is going to anapolis or to test a bio bills And I thought like I had something that I could contribute and that I had a is site not necessarily of Politics because I don't see myself as a politician. They'll cut. I definitely see myself as a community activist And I see myself as you know someone who likes to do investigation Someone who likes to Read and make sure I understand. Yeah, you know, I don't always you know I don't know all the answers, but I know how to get the answers I know how to ask the right question there and that's some legal training You may not know the answer, but you know, you know how to ask the right questions to get the answers that you need so when you say you're not a politician You you consider yourself a community activist give us a definition of that I think a community activist is a person who is Just as the words say active in the community, but not only active, but as an advocate So if there is an issue that I think needs to be addressed or redress well Let's use your platform, for example. And then you and I had this conversation, I have a pet pee. It is, excuse me, about trash. And I mean, that's sad. My mom is, as I told you, we and our old, we're the tickers, the little pick up. And I was told, my mom will make me go up and down, but pick up this trash. So now I have a pet peeve about it. And it really bothers me. So, yeah, I'm just using this as an example, but with a lot of the, so I would always contact at a 3-1-1, say, hey, these dumping here, there's litter here, there's whatever. And then I'm noticing that people are not, they will call me and say, well, did you see that they dumped them? Like, yeah, you'd be called 3-1-1 yourself, right? Have them come, you know. And so I kind of noticed that people, people weren't, they'll kind of depend on me. Who said, either be the activist and the advocate, which I didn't mind, but you know that the squeaky little gets to greets. And I was like, well, you need to call too. Not just me, you call and then you call. Everybody calls, everybody calls, everybody calls. Calling at some point is gonna get some attention from someone, but he says, there's so much attention. It's like, we really need to go see and pick up this, you know, this little dumping, you know, on Cascadilly Road or, you know, Thrifro wherever, you know, it may be in the county. And what I'm really happy about is that one of our state senators has taken upon itself because the outcry was, was, was, county-wide at that, at some point, it's that, okay, we gotta get, I think it still is. I think, no, it's still, it's still it, right? So it's, I feel like we're in a crisis when it comes to the trash and, you know, well, you legal dumping all over accounting, right? Yeah. And I know some of it is also, and you don't know, 'cause I've seen Tusho literally throw out McDonald's, a bowel mother cheap, and for, you know, ride and death, 'cause I have, I'm off a mainstream. And another may she's my house, it's right at the corner. And I'm outside just about every day picking up trash and getting it. Yesterday it was McDonald's, somebody's happy, Neil. I don't know. And so it is, it's almost something. Yes, but I think it's a lot of, you know, if you're in to the count that, also, I contribute that, also, and I used to always contribute to the folks for the South and Charles County, because at one point, although they changed now, they didn't have, what is it? The, uh, bowl of trash picked up, right? Mm-hmm. And, you know, between Charles County and the Southern Carter Fristorches County, there's a lot of unlit road. That way, it's really easy to just sit just for a lot of a little up and, and don't something over the county. Right, right. And the other thing I attributed to you and I would wish that our county council would do this is that there's no bowl of trash picked up for any of the far bit cup wetsis. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so, you know, and we're building more multi-family units all over the county, but in, particularly in Fristorches County, and I would like to see that require the landlords to at least once the mud wharf of porter to bring us to have it, bring in the dumpster, have your residents do all their boat trash, make it out, take it to the dumpster, they charge whatever fee if they charge it, but we need to consider that as well, because, um, apartment dwellers don't have that access as homewaters, right? We do. So, I think that's important. Yeah. Well, I use that as an example of the type of advocacy. Mm-hmm. So, I'll, you know, I'm just speaking out for those who, you know, I'm going to either don't want to use their voice at their power, boy, right? Even on, boy. And then I mobilize and try to mobilize people that do what I speak to up that have gotten just so frustrated, they're ready to peraction. So, it's either drafting the petition, like, okay, we're not right out here and council the person will get a right to send it. Yeah. We're not right, an apple is without a right, the governor, we've got to write converse. Yeah. You know, so I try to help do that as well, and then do it in a way that it's received on the other end. Right. Yeah. So, so that action, that action. Yeah, I sure. That's actually it. Sure. Okay, well, I'm glad you broke that down. It's pretty much what I thought, but, you know, just for those who, you know, may not know, we, you know, glad you're able to break that down for us. But, so I see that. I see that in, you know, pretty much everything I know about you as it relates to just advocacy and seeing you out in the community. Support domestic violence, supporting, you know, when I say support to domestic violence, I mean, you know, advocating for those who are, you know, I'm experienced in that sort of thing, right? Tell us a couple of other things that you are, like, heavily involved in as it relates to the advocacy. Sure. So, I think the biggest thing in thing that I, probably most know for it, to some people, both at the developers, I'm into, you know, making sure that we develop our county in a way that's sustainable. Yeah. I'm not against developing it. No. I want impregnment. I want to see nice things come to our county. I want to see nice homes. I want to see, you know, nice townhouses, even multi-family. But I want it done in a way that's the sustainable. That's in that we can, that it doesn't just saturate us. Yeah. And that we are overcrowded. Look, proud of roads, or, you know, we still have the same two-lane roads. I mean, coming here, even though it's, probably, it was a little after rush hour. I took the backway past Costco part. Oh, because I was like, thought it was smart. Yeah, I was like, I'm not coming to that intersection of old branch. This got away with your thought if I'm out. I would be, I would have been late. Yeah. So, but one of the big things that I'm trying to make sure that we do, as we build, because this area, District 9, is the area of what we call the last matching of the Delabble, the land. Yeah. Because there's so many. This sign was at whatever. I have the little property right. And those persons, you know, their children, the one or four, my, my, you know, so landland about it. It was, I'm burning, but you know, it was sign here too. And, you know, and I can't fall off here with that. I can't fall off here with them for that. But in the meantime, you know, I'll drive, I've driven to miss Johnson. Is it Sheila Johnson? Yeah, is it, I'm trying to make sure I'm in our first, we're doing the job. So, you can just part, it was part owner of the Nistik Cino, the Monumento, the Reword city. And she has her, she just, she just acquired the former Mandarin hotel that she now has. I don't know why that the name of her resort is escaping me. It'll come to me in a minute. But in any, any of it driving to her hotel and resort engulfed we need to out in Virginia. You pass some of this saying in my, my landscape that you kind of see in the rules, rule tier. Yeah, they don't want us to say rule tiering. Well, but the seven-art or prejudorgeous county, you know, farms, wideries, all of those say, but they're, they are starting to develop out. I believe that's loud in the county. You can't remember for sure, but they're still starting to develop out in those carriers. But what they're doing is, and I don't, I know some of the reasons, but they're still, they're putting in the infrastructure first. They're widening the road, right here, putting in all of the infrastructure first before-- They need the individual, the people, and all that. And you know, you know, new schools are being built for these new community, middle schools, and in Rec Center. All those things are coming up with the community. Here at Christorchest County, we do the exact opposite. We're building and letting the people come, and then we'll figure out it a road later. And you know, we'll put a turn in, and laying, you know, yeah, 100-- I mean, you know, hey, half a mile, it's that easy, it's not that length, but quarter mile in and out. And I'm sure that's how we do it, otherwise, the roads. So so my big thing has been to try to advocate for infrastructure and we're having an end development at supposed to just allowing it unfetter. Now part of the problem is the southern part of the Pratt County is that the county does not actually own the land. Like they own a lot for land and the central and the northern park, the county, then they-- Not in the southern-- Not in the southern. So they can't really tell, you know, the heirs to these farms, like, well, what to do with their land? Very, we don't own it, you know, unless we take actual imminent domain of it, we're in somehow. And you know, and that may be something that we need to really consider doing more of in the southern park here, county, to say, hey, we need to take this land to use it for this purpose for everybody, do not just, you know, just your family, it would have be fun. That's part of our problem in the southern the county, but there has to be a happy media. And that's what I try to communicate to developers and people who are wanting to sub the by the land. It could, you know, a thousand town hell was on, you know, maybe four or five, eight pairs. Yeah. Yeah. Or so. So, um, and I know that I'm exaggerating. I'm exaggerating, but you know, it is sometimes not that not many, you know, they'll try to sub the by the land so much that it's, it's, you know, you're really right on top of each other. And you come out on a two lane road. And so those, those issues are the, have been what has been driving me for the most part. So it's not just when I say infrastructure, public safety. Yeah. Yeah. We know we have the same, same in Clinton. You still have the same volunteer fire department. We don't have a professional firefighter here in Clinton. They just built a professional fire department at Brady. Why they did this, but the calls for service and the time it takes you to get to those calls. Yeah. It's critical. You know, it's, I'm having a hard time. I don't want you to be stuck, you know, on will you are real trying to get to me? Yeah. I want you to be able to get to me and sir, you know, we can create me from that. That's right. You know, so those are the kind of things that I'm looking, you know, really trying to focus on. And lately, you know, having fit community meetings, bringing the stakeholders so that people know who we contact. Well, this is the person in the parking, playing a department. This is the person in department of public works at transportation. This is a person in department of permitting inspection and enforcement that you need to contact about some of the issues that you have. And so far, I'm seeing that people are being a little bit more proactive in that. Well, did you share those kinds of resources with us? Well, definitely get it out to the community, sure. Or so, keep us in mind as you're developing things and making, you know, making it neutral, you know, we can definitely shut it out with the key or so. So with all that being said, and I'm here, the passion you have behind, you know, making sure that our community members are considered when, you know, development half is what's what's what's next for you? What will you see yourself doing that? Well, I'm still interested in serving in a political office. I have not given up. You could though I have not, I've come so very close so many times anyway. I still have not given up and I see different things that sometimes I want to give up. And I was you can't you've got so many people, you know, who voted with you. They're right so many who support you and support the work and they understand and get the vision and they have the same desires that you have. So that's why they've been young. Yeah, it's a little bit of a thing. And thank you. So yeah, yeah. So you have to keep going and not a live being. So like, so as you know, and you kind of alluded to earlier, there's open seat that just opened it up with the red sequenation of former Distramatic kind of it's a member of the seat currently right now is the at large council seats. I was competitive considering that as fuck to my straight it is. He's like, he's not giving me the okay to pursue that. But, you know, I did, I did think on it a little bit over the weekend. So what about that member? Darsu. Well, November, we're now remember we're in a presidential. Oh, that's right. It's like no kind. So the presidential cycle we're only voting for Senate. If the Senate seat is open, you know, the Senate, um, term is longer, you know, for Congress, the House of Representatives, they run every two years. So we're all they got to be voting or Congress person and our state. Um, there is a state Senate seat because, um, in Maryland, Bennett, Carton, Ritzide, he stepped down, I think we'll now Friday to gain his retiree. And so we are going to be voting for a state senator. You still have Senator Chris Van Hollen. Moving his his feet will he'll have to run for reelection. The next presidential cycle. Okay. And I'm not this one. It's always sad. And next, uh, the, uh, county head. Yeah. The statewide offices is not until 20, 20, 20, 20, so I still have some ties, you know, ticket sitter. But, you know, my heart and so like I said, I've been in our, we've been in our house since for 30 something years in Clinton. My heart and soul is still always district nine here. And, uh, you know, so that's, that's that's mostly first priority and first interest for me. It's to pursue that. But I did, we, you know, take, take the, you know, I got interested, you know, when that little was, I'm like, no, okay, something's coming up all the year. Yeah. I didn't think about it. So, uh, but you've got a plan, you know, uh, well, you know, I, I haven't totally ruled it out. No, it isn't. I mean, this is so new. I think the council met last night. I was in to set the dates. Oh, where the special election is going to be. And all of that, they haven't actually formally announced it. I haven't, and I've heard any news. So I'm not breaking any news. We're here. But, I think they voted last night. You know, when they want to do it, what the dates are going to be, you know, there that I think they'll release that. Uh, you know, it probably most like time trial is a public area. Uh, no, well, I'm here because it's a decision of the council. Oh, um, teach me. I bet that's clearly. I don't know what I was. The physical of the council's I think I charter says that if a person, if a county council person resides and they're still two years or more left on their turn or not resigned, but, you know, leave office for whatever reason. Why I'd be a resignation, it could be, unfortunately, they've been laid. You never, um, you have to have a special election. Yeah. If it was a little later in the session, I mean, later in the turn, like the term was almost over in that they can appoint that on by they can appoint somebody. Right. Okay. Right. So, um, so I'm assuming a, you know, publication is going to be coming out press release or something's going to be coming out next week, you know, um, at the earliest and announcing the date, sitting in the filing deadlines for those who are interested and down solo. Well, sitting in out of east and out to my probation, well, as I normally do and, um, you know, we just want, you know, we want the best for our county and we want good candidates and people that, and this is why I talk about not being a politician. It's, it's okay to, um, I think to have, you know, build those relationships because you, because politics is that you've got to build relationships, just compromise, give it a, you know, you're not going to always agree on, you know, what's the right horse, but you got to be able to work together and, you know, and make some compromise. But we don't mean what I consider people like career politicians that they just try to, you know, and we're the, yeah, we live from a little to one position to the next and, and never are, I won't say never satisfied, but just, they may be in it for the role of me. But they had to split that. Well, I, I, I'm here, you know, and I'd like to see those who are moving from one position to another is because they're actually making affecting change. Yeah. And that's positive for our community. So I'd love to see that, you know, like being consistent, right. Um, um, uh, mayor of those that we had, you know, elected, like, currently, so, um, let's be, our orities that you set out just pretty much, um, net, just now what's all you, development and, you know, trash and, you know, beautification of our community. Um, if you were to say, you know, to your, you know, get to toe wet in that back in that, especially a less sit. Um, are there any other priorities you think you want to share? Um, that's a big question. Um, we think back to what your constituents, um, shared a more, most passionate about, uh, well, you know, what I, what, what I think about in terms of, particularly if it's at large, um, what I'm hearing, most of, I went to, um, the Brady wine norquee, done on civic association meeting last night and they met, um, normally they meet at Brady wine elementary school and they met this time at, um, the community center in, um, Timothy Bryant, sure there's just new big development behind the basketball here and all of that. So what, uh, what I'm hearing are people are concerned about public safety because, you know, unfortunately, we've got this, he's banned of teenagers that have nothing else to do but break into beaker's cars and this event. So they're concerned about public safety, but again that and it's such a small group of individuals that just mess it up Everything everybody Yeah, so definitely looking at public safety, but again, I Attribute some of that to over development because You know if we had enough officers to be able to control the injury and district nine is the largest LAMATS one eyes base wise mileage wise you've got enough Officers to patrol all of that airing you probably cut down on some of that because you're seeing the police officers more frequently patrolling your airing where you're less likely to Try something. Yeah, but I also I also think that if we have more outlets More opportunities for kids to For the youth to express those cells have some fun, you know in a way where it's safe and you know That is I think a concern too. I think a lot of times You know they're left to their own devices and it's really nothing to them to do right so You know what I think we've heard a lot more often yeah, that's what we have on part the planning or and I think part of planning can Potentially I've seen them make great efforts, you know and bear it stril team Programs and trying to have basketball Sessions at night all those things to kind of help Bring our yellow people, you know together. I wonder if they're talking to the young people like if they're having conversations with them to Understand what it is or what and what what they want versus dole what they think should have but yeah because a lot of times we we as The older seasoned, you know individuals we get in a role where we have a conversation about what we think they need and what we think they want and what at we feel Should you happening and we're not actually Listening or having some input from that generation that tell us right What their desires are what's lacking in their homes or what you know what they need right right and it it It plays a a major role I think in the reason why some of the youth are Being pulled into a certain direction or into a certain group, you know because there's one getting the attention that they were I get it before they got so long to listen someone was paying attention to them and now that they're you know they have that That individual has that ear they're giving them the stays that we don't want them to have with we had more of an opening I've opened mine to bring them in and hear what they have to say and listen to their concerns and Take that seriously it actually act on what we hear from their life will have Less of the crime that we're having now. I don't think it's an ever-go away because I know every generation says oh, you know, you know You know they weren't as bad back in my day, but it was always something We're happening. There was always somebody that just There's always somebody that just won't be a right name, you know, but there is several kids who will probably choose differently if they had other Access opportunities of other outlets of people actually listening to that because we always want to also say that You know, we need to get with these parents have been out with their doing it. You know, that's always in the case to Sometimes they just need a little help, you know, I still believe that it takes a village to raise a child I don't care, you know, what anyone says it doesn't you know these days Nobody knows we don't know our neighbors. We're not saying hello. We don't have that saying I feel that the environment that I'm worth it like well, mom my mom She lived that we lived in the apartment, but everybody in the apartment built a new issue, right? It was nothing I could do that nobody you know go back on my own a tale or you know something if something was to happen And they were there my mom went there they straking me up, you know, and we don't have that community likely used to so I'm trying to build that that as you said I try to make sure that this is a safe space that people come in here They still like you know, they've got a voice they you know can do what it is that they you know Phil will help them you know rowing with sure as an individual and I expose the youth to opportunities to Careers and things that they wouldn't typically think about because the only thing you see on TV is you know I can be a doctor or a basketball player or a lawyer, you know, and some of them they feel like that may be unattainable and there's other options that that they can choose that will help them to you know gain a Skill they can gain a skill they can do a career they can work for themselves and they could you know gain wealth in a way that you know Does it require them to rob anyone or steal it? It buys a car so I'm sorry. I'm off my soap. I don't know no no no no and I appreciate the work you're doing in that you know giving It's Landsking thing yep Last game management What then you know, I know some water there's in district matter right now. I just to go to church with yet you know There's a thriving plan skewer landscaping business and he you know at his business is taking him Literally all over the world. I mean he posts, you know more somebody's already through a bar skate Some some of them you know is just posting on vacations that you're again and this and that but But some of the projects they're just gotten because of the landscaping business and he's doing quite everybody Everybody means that even especially with The cold that I think most people don't even realize that and maybe they do now You know COVID exposed the fact that you know wearing our homes war now and you know everybody's looking around They wanted to look beautiful and or more Last game. It was one of the industries that shot up and it's still going up. Yeah, yeah, yeah So no, I'll hardly agree but we were talking about you know some of the initiatives so public safety would be war Um the the other that I I'm hearing a lot about you know Is just the ability to manage the county's budget, um we I think the county council just approved the budget, but we were facing the death as it man and air was a little whispers about potentially raising taxes that whatever last night was you know, we've been a lot of taxes. We would all get the services That we have itself and how do we manage our our budgets a little bit better and this is what federal government come in and more in terms of negative sure that we're applying for those federal dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that we don't have to Tank us our citizens a lurch because here let's face it and it's it's a period a thousand times, but it's absolutely true We are a county of residents and not a lot of Business and big industry business that can pay The corporate tax dollars that maybe um Montgomery county or fact facts or Alex Andrea are getting and so Until we change that paradigm and I know that the county council of the county executive are really working hard to try to do that But until we do so we need to come up with other areas of how to Yet Dollars entire community and I think that's where we have our Partnership with our federal partner. Yeah, so as a federal level there are so many federal brands and one of the things that I do in my native day job might actually have a brought them business where We are working to provide high-speed internet service to the wool and underserved areas. Okay, and so I know for a fact isn't it there are several federal brands out there That's our town eat to do a better job in in terms of whether it's housing affordable housing whether it's um anything we're We're all agricultural Just just a lot of federal brands saying you need to take a day to jump a little bit more In terms of meeting money to pay for services that we have or that we need to push out to our residents That won't be a tax burden to net because guess what it's still our tax dollars because guess what the money to the federal government comes from us Look for what we're in for you now, okay, so either way we're still painful, but we might as well be Might as far we the benefit fate the benefit of those federal tax dollars as well. This will can get from the state and at the local level and not try to You know continue to raise taxes and so forth. So You know just looking for other creative ways to do that and I think the other thing that pandemic is done is bring about more Phil and drop it work and you from Bigger foundation. So when I'm talking about bigger foundation forward foundations, you know Then huge amount there start to look for ways that they can help individual community and I think on Yeah, yes, and so we also need to tap in so if they're not moving here to do business here You know, you know throw some dollars You know towards some of the projects or some of the things that we will want to have done here. And I think those partnerships we could do, you know, would be something that would be a priority for me. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. But with that, that sounds like something that we could get behind for sure. Yeah. Um, the, if there was anything, um, you wanted to share as it relates to your business, because you just spoke about, you know, the broadband business. That's the time I heard about it. Okay. Um, I'm going to flip the script just a little bit. Um, let's, let's talk about that. Let's talk about sure. Sure. So again, because of telecommunication, one thing that I learned way back in 1993 was that, um, I was actually working and I'm doing doing this, doing this work and I knew what our, our, our new rate was as a law offer, even though I was thinking to myself, but I was like, these people are paying this amount of money in order to do this by any of this work. They have to be making good money in order to do it, right? Yeah. And I said, I need to be on the business side. Okay. Oh, and not necessarily always on the legal side. So I always thought I said that in 1993, and I've always thought that I wanted to do something in a telecommunications camp. So we kind of talked about, um, when it was, you know, the cellular service first came out and they came out with books. Well, first I actually thought about what's owning towers rents, telecommunications towers. When I said, well, then you got a land or at least the lay and I'm going to have any property other than my own all minute. And I'm definitely not that led to, although we probably need a tower because I lose signal sometimes in our area going down some of those little valleys. But I said, I thought about doing that. And then I thought about the big way that they came in for what they, at the time it was called the Battle Communications Commission called it the PCS personal commutation service. And that's the boy they, you know, started calling the cell phones or their mobile phones or what hadn't. But, um, they really engineered that for larger companies for the, for the, um, for rises and the 18 teens and all of that. They didn't engineer it for the smaller person. But it wasn't until I actually ran for county, California district nine. Okay. I was knocking on doors in the rural area of Christos County, literally in a rural area. I think I was in in, in Baton, the Plasco or somewhere. And when I say your door knocking, I was literally knocking in my car driving the next crying man, my mouth, my out of the night out phone that I heard that people said, well, I just need, you know, and they found that out, so it can be cases of turn. You say, well, we just need access to the internet. You know, I was like, do you guys already have access to the red, you know, like a 15 minute drive before all the traffic was right? You know, like a 15 swing button. You're going to drive for DC. How do you not have access to that? They won't come out here. Bumble, bumble, I was then really, and I put two to together. I said, when all the light load went off. And I said, I am going to start a broadband business with the focus and the neighbor like companies called Lance, my brother Lance, my broad pants, you know, the Maryland and the, the tagline is is that we go the distance to bring you the internet. Move, okay. And so meaning that we'll come, we'll go that last mile. You get you the service you need. And I've been really big. My business partner, well, is a former military has done military, telecommunications installation on military bases all over the world. So if he knows this stuff like the back of his hand, I met him believe you're not at a function. I didn't realize I lived at a key, don't need to. It's a wake or me, but I met him at a function for another form, you know, kind of a political fellowship or a former county executive of our horse for the county. And I kept his car. I was like, I'm going to meet this guy's car where that kept his car. And I just called him out of the blue. It's it. This is the name of the company. This is what we leave. Do you want to start this business? Because I can see, I can see, I said, you know, I'm back yard. There are people up. I've knocked on the doors. I know. And we said, yes. And we got started and off to the races. Now, as unfortunate as the pandemic has been, it didn't belong for our business. Dude, us now. And first, it was really, really tough because we couldn't get the funding. You know, we we were applying for things. It was like, I'm nobody. It's not that they didn't believe us, but it's just like they didn't see that there was a knee here. When the pandemic hit, everybody passed it go on wine, it go to work to school. It was a lot of everything for a lot of it brought everything to light. And so a lot of what I do now is just like grant writing to get this, why I mentioned those grants, but I know about it. I write the grants to get funding. We have been focused on on HBCUs actually. No, current. And so we got a project at Southern University, at Louisiana. We, you know, we're working with some other, one other guy that we know that has some access to other HBCs that we're working on. And then we're, you know, we're trying to actually help the folks down in the bait and in the possible area. Luckily for, I will say, luckily for us, because we actually didn't get the work, but because of our, our, um, grant writing and advocacy, I think like the concast and the AT&T and the printing boys kind of woke up and said, Oh, there's a community down that says in the first or just county that needs broadband and we're going to provide it for them. But, um, nevertheless, I'm happy that it happened because you, I saw the knee and now the need is being fulfilled. It just so happens to me not have been our company. I wouldn't love for it to been our company, but nevertheless, there's still lots of areas that do not have access to the ever that because they're, they're not in a, densely populated area and the big boys won't spend the money. Now, the interesting thing is, is since the Biden administration has said that we're making this a priority. It's almost like all electrification and when they brought light out so that everybody had electricity, it's the same pro-Fartha. Oh, okay. So there's throwing money in it and now the big boys went, Oh, okay, look at me. Look at me. Look at me. Look at me. A plus like, no, you're in an opportunity. Be great. I think God, the funds grow. So, and then I'm not doing those nights. You know, you want to come in. If they, you know, try to elbow us out the way that we've been here all along. So, you know, we're, we're, we're, we're making progress and we're making, we're, we're, we're meeting some needs and so I'm really happy about. Come on on next slide. Or you, we owe that to you. Actually, yes. The proposal. I can't believe it's, it's been as long as I thought it was, I think we, we formally filed in the state of Maryland. I believe in 2014. Oh, current stuff. Well, it's been a year. Why? Yeah. And, you know, like I said, we had to fix, you know, steps or starts and all this other. Where you survived the pandemic, a lot of people can't say that. Yeah. Like I said, the pandemic was a booming for us because it brought to light what we were saying all along. And now that the federal government is starting to put federal funding behind it, we know it's a lot easier for us to, you know, get the grants and do the things that we need to do for that. So, how, how is all of this then on your family life? I know you're a wife, so long. Like how, how is that, you know, positively or, and, you know, negative? I've rigged that along. You know, some, some people said, how many kids do you have? Yep, two. Okay. And they have grown adults now. We have a son. He will be 20. I can't believe it. He didn't be 27 in August. Seren and I've daughter will be 25 in November. I know she is a big reason why he started talking. The fact that she was the one that says, you know, you know, we not reading those emails. We, you know, you need to come up with the target of social media and the podcast is, so she's my executive president. And I'll say executive producer does that answer. We have, we have an idea for something to come up pretty saloon around what's happening in the county with the open seat. What have you? So we're gonna be pretty decent. Something pretty simple. But, um, so just like my parents drug me, they sell with an audience around. They were kids. I drugged them to all the media. And the good news is it's kind of roped off on them. At least on daughter for sure. But my son is well, you know, they are very politically astute. And they know how to ask the right question. And, you know, what had you and advocate for themselves and what they want. So, um, it's my husband's always been there is supported. Um, I remember I'm early days of my father's, you know, he was the one that, you know, now I've gotten quarter boats sophisticated and I have a team that goes out and put it in five. Well, I know, I know they're putting one. Yeah, my husband and his brothers will be out there, putting up size and using the regular. The people. Yeah, the people. That's all that stuff. We've come a long way, but he's always been very supportive. And it was him that if I couldn't drag the kids with me, he would be a at home with kids when they were younger, obviously. - It's so good to have that kind of suffering. But having my husband at home with boys is good. It's just a gossip. And I would not be able to do a lot of the work that I've been able to do over the years if it wasn't for him. - It's great, yep. - The strong man. - Yes, yep. And that 100% never, ever once in a while, he's like, "I'm a terrible baby, you shouldn't." Whatever. But when he sees that my mind's made up and I'm a dean, like, "I don't need to go for it, "but I don't need to go for it." - Right, right, no. - Exactly. And so he always had been supportive. So I asked him this time, I was like, "Well, what do you all think about?" And they always tell me, "Don't run again, y'all need to run again." Just any other thing. - They're soon, and they're the all right. And my daughter literally called me yesterday, and she was coming out with all the news broke. And she was like, "You know, you know, "integrating matters, you really, yeah, "you need to do it here." So, you know, again, I've got a strategy just to know, you know, run things through. So even if I don't do any special election or anything, I'm content with the local district mind and doing that. I really love this area. I'm like I said, but I was here, you know, for the three years that I was in Fort Washington, but we were, you know, Fort Washington's still very south. - Really? - You know, I do. - Yeah, I do. - So, then when I found Cleanson and Akite, you know, they did Akite for a year. - Then, I just kind of fell in love with the area. And I was like, "Oh, wow. "Would this close to the Telming, "would this close to Fort Washington Park, "would this close to the Patuxet, "you know, just all of these things around natural." - Yeah. - You know, I like to walk. And so, I'm not a gym person or a treadmill person. I like to go out, you know, I was just at Costa Parabla walk with other day. - Well, just around the lake. And then I take the actual trail in Cowsca, you know, they've got three trails. They only did do a little work, I got a call and about that person. I got a couple of fallen trees. - Yeah. - On some areas, but just being out in nature of the playlist, I don't like to hear, like when I'm out walking, I don't like to hear cars. - Yeah. - I don't mind here, you know, I don't mind people, if you're talking and children are playing, you should go away. - And I don't want every year, boys, and I don't want to hear. - No, none of that. And so, I just like to get out and, you know, walk in the park and enjoy nature. And bring fresh air, see the, you know, the animals, whether it's birds, they got eagerness, the turtle around. - I love that. - You didn't find a turtle here in our backyard. - We had one in our backyard. - We kept it for a little while, but it got too big for the tank. And then we released it at Cowsca Park. - Did you? And all the kids, every time we go, they look for ants, right? - About five. - They know that there's like hundreds of turtles in the park. - That's the polar. - You know, I'm gonna need to give it a voice. - Yes. - I put a mark on it, it was something. - And then we didn't be gone. - No, no, no, they don't. - They're scared, they're right there already. You don't realize that they're scared, they're scared. - Can't forget, I can't forget where the one that was in our backyard. It was a baby turtle. - Yeah. - I was like, where is the muscle? I brought it to like, let us do it. - Yeah. - And even I was like, there's gotta be some parents somewhere. - Where are you? - You better look down the mall. - And probably a couple of days later, it was going. - New, go. - And you said, you're not feeding my baby? - No, let it. - We want real food out there. We could leave grass over here by the rooftop. - Well, this has been nice. - And gotta cook that. - We're not ready to announce them. Tell everybody what you do or then, you know. - I can't everybody a little teeth. - Give up a little teeth today. But yes, come back and share with us. - And we gotta come back. - I share, I share all we gotta come. - So if you had one last thing you wanted to leave our audience with, or there was something, you know, escalational, something that you just feel like you wanna share to help those who want maybe, you know, consider an advocacy themselves, maybe consider a being that voice for the voiceless. What would you leave them with? - Do it. - Do it. Pick up the phone call, you know, as my mom told me, those people, our textiles pay for their salaries, they're accountable to you. So, you know, pick up the phone, write that emails and then note, write that letter. You know, we PC them at an event, step tall. (laughing) Be true to power. Be true to power. And I've started putting it at the bottom of some of my emails, I quote, I don't do it all the time, but just depends on the topic of the email. And it's the quote that I found from Plato that says that, if I'm not, I know I'm not saying it correctly, but it's basically saying that if you're not involved in politics, you're allowing someone not as a stewed-ish into a rule over it. - Wow. - And then, well, it's so, it's that whole, you know, speaking truth to power and, you know, asking for what you want because, you know, power can see that thing without a demand. - Yeah. - And so, if that is the case that you don't want to, you know, just take any and everything that whatever somebody is in office to give you, you've got to make that demand. And so, I encourage you to definitely- - Free to power. - Yeah. - Freeing that demand and be her. - Yeah. - Well, I couldn't end it any better than that. I think you so much. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Again, for coming on the hot test. - Yeah. - Thank you to you all for sticking around this long. And if you did, I hope you hit that follow button, like and share this out. 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