Inside the Fight for Louisiana's Future: Land, Energy & Food Security | Rodney Schamerhorn | Ep. 409

The concerns of property owners in Louisiana have not been collectively addressed by the legislature. You have stood up for them, others have stood up for them, but they've not been addressed in the status back in the legislature. It's not good ourselves. So you bring this bill that simply would say, okay, if you're going to do this, can we at least limit the industrial waste that we're bearing under private property in Louisiana? Can we at least limit it to what is produced here in Louisiana and not take on the industrial waste that's produced by these activities in other states? Could you at least throw the citizens of Louisiana up on this? And the legislature couldn't get it done. Thank you for joining us once again, State of Freedom. The State of Freedom is a listener supported podcast. We are committed to pursuing the truth about policy making, regulatory actions, and political maneuvers in Louisiana and at the national level that stand to impact your freedoms. 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Louisiana's future is being shaped by some of the biggest issues facing our state from carbon capture and sequestration projects impacting landowners, to the rapid and seemingly unchecked growth of AI data centers, and to the future of our food supply and Louisiana agriculture. During this legislative session, Representative Rodney Shammerhorn was at the center of several important fights to protect property rights, strengthen consumer protection, and defend the industries and resources that make Louisiana strong. Today we're going to go inside those battles, what happened during session, what was won, what work lies ahead, and what these decisions mean for Louisiana's families. Welcome, Rep. Shammerhorn. Thanks for joining us this morning. I'm Danielle Walker, and I'm joined by my friend and co-host, the Watchdog and Chief of Louisiana Citizen Advocacy Group, Chris Alexander. We're coming to you all live, as always, on Voice of the People USA TV and Radio Network on X, Rumble YouTube, and Facebook. Please give us a like, subscribe, get into the notifications, send us a star, retweet, share it with your friends, and you can always catch us later on our audio only platforms, and you know where you watch us or where you listen to us there. So let's see if we have any audio from Rep. Shammerhorn. Nothing yet. Let me see, and you're not muted. You're not muted, so I don't know what the issue is here. Oh darn. Let me move you backstage and see if I just bring you back. See if that does anything. Yeah. Actually, the moving him backstage doesn't work, which explains a lot about our problems. What if we just kick you out and bring you back, sir? Yeah, let's kick him out and bring him out. Bring him back. All right. One again. Yeah, one of the bills, Danielle, that we're going to be talking about, well, three of them actually are the local option bills, the same ones that were tried last year just to give local governments and local communities the opportunity to vote up or down one way or the other on CCS. Can you imagine? Yeah, I mean, it's just it's extraordinary. And once again, they were killed by the same people whose names really should be becoming quite familiar to our viewers and really to voters in Louisiana on CCS. Yeah, while we are, let's see, I wanted to give Rick Shammerhorn just another second. I wonder, I don't know if he's having issues. I know he was joined in by phone. Yeah, we'll see. Let's just give him one more second and then I'll, sure. I'll read the scripture the day. Yeah. Let's see. All right. The stuff is, it's going to be really exciting getting into this. I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm getting, getting here. Well, let me, I'll go ahead and read the scripture the day while we wait for him to come in, but it is Matthew chapter 14 verses 28 through 33. And it says, Peter shouted out, Lord, if it's really you, then have me join you on the water. Come and join me, Jesus replied. So Peter stepped out onto the water and began to walk toward Jesus. But when he realized how high the waves were, he became frightened and started to sink. Save me, Lord, he cried out. Jesus immediately stretched out his hand and lifted him up and said, what little faith you have, why would you let doubt win? And did I say to 33? Okay. In the very moment they both stepped onto the boat, the raging wind ceased. Then all of the disciples crouched down before him and worshipped Jesus. Well, I was just reading the scripture of the day and it is a passage about Peter wanting to step out onto the water with Jesus. And so I just wanted to share some reflections on that this morning because I was just thinking when I read that, how many of us are like Peter? We say, Lord, do you have an assignment for me, an adventure, a plan, a purpose, a destiny? If so, tell me what it is and I'll follow you and I'll do it. And then one day, so we pray that prayer for a while, right? And then one day the Lord speaks to us clearly and he says, you want to come? You sure you want to come? Here's your assignment. And this is it, now come. And so many of us are like Peter and we jump out of the boat into the water and we say, oh dear, what if I didn't hear correctly? I'm not sure I got that right. And we start to sink and we get overwhelmed by the waves because we did not hold on to the word of the Lord in faith. And of course, you know, we can all criticize Peter, but there were disciples in the boat who never got out of the water. Who never got out on the water. And so, you know, there's those of us like them who never get out of the boat because we're too busy analyzing why the instruction the Lord gave us is impossible. And why it's an assignment will would never be able to fulfill. So the point is this, with Jesus, all things are possible. And he has seeds of destiny planted in each of our hearts. He has great wild adventures plotted along our path and our job is to trust him to obey him and to remain steadfast in our faith that he said what he said. And remember, the enemy's oldest trick is getting us to doubt what the Lord said. Adam and Eve, listen to the enemies, manipulating words, the serpent's words, did God really say? And because they operated outside of faith and listened to that manipulation, they got kicked out of the Garden of Eden. So what are we supposed to do with the passage this morning? If the Lord said it, write it down. Believe it in faith, look at it every day and start walking it out, refused to be moved from it, refused to be moved from it. Daniel, it's strange because our preacher hit on that Sunday. That's how the Lord works. Now the Lord came out of the mountain and the waters were rough and he walks out to the boat therein. And Peter said, what would you have me do? And he says come to me. So Peter did step out of the boat and almost suddenly he got the thinking about his actions and he started to sink with the Lord heading. Okay? Trust in me. So it's strange, you know, what doubts gets in your mind about what God really wants you to be doing. And I'm one that believes that each and every person that was ever thought of being born from God has certain gifts from God. Look, we have surgeons, we have IT people, we have all these people that actually have a gift from God and God has a plan for you out there. You know, and he expressed his guidance. Right, right. None of us is here randomly. No. And one of the things that I'm thinking about here as y'all are as we're talking about this is it's not always the people who are the best known in this life. It's not always the prominent figures. You know, many of the greatest people in history are buried in essentially unmarked graves. And, you know, often they're their reward, I guess, is in the kingdom of heaven because they weren't seeking fame and fortune in this world. And we don't even know who they are yet they did, you know, just extraordinary things anonymously. And we don't even know who they are. I just think it's powerful. The other thing that strikes me is, you know, it is absolutely amazing how, you know, at least me and I'm sure the supplies to other people you can be going, you have your faith is strong. Christ is right there. You're right. with him and then you can be overwhelmed with this thought of that just can terrorize you and just sort of paralyze you momentarily. And then you've got a refocus on Christ and and just try to the challenges I guess to always put him first and to always keep our focus on him and to always make time for him because it seems like he's always the first thing to be put aside when we immerse ourselves in the chaos of this world. And I guess Rodney that's kind of the way the devil would want it. It is, it is. You know, the devil, you know, sin is out there each and every day and you know the devil puts it in front of you and you know you have to rely on God's true faith to believe in God that you know is this right or is it wrong? You know, but the devil I mean he's out there every day just tempting you like you said Adam and Eve, you know, in a garden. And he speaks through people. Let's not forget that right? He speaks through the naysayers, the people calling us conspiracy theorists or crazy or you know people who say that any number of things that are contrary to what the Lord has told us we are and what the Lord has told us where to do. Yes. Yes. You know Rodney, I have a before we get into the meat of this I want to ask you and I'm asking you this because I know that you're a conservative and I've seen that I've seen you make votes because they're the right votes even if you're the only person making the vote and I've seen you bring bills that I'm sure you perhaps is skeptical about whether or not they're going to cross the finish line but you bring them because they're the right thing to do. You fight for them. What what is it in the legislature that you know your your faith must be very important to you to be able to sustain the sort of fidelity that you show to the citizens even when it goes contrary to the establishment narrative in the legislature and I've seen you do it time and time again your faith must be really foundational in your ability to do that. It is you know we have two different groups of prayer groups that you know come to the Capitol and take care of us each and every week and you know that that's Michael and Rodney and I try to attend both of them and you know it's not because it's you know just your duty because you're out of town you don't get to go to you know Bible studies and stuff like that but I do that because you want to know who is like minded in the group you know we have one with brother Rodney on the Senate side and we have one with Michael on the on the house side and you know it's surprising that it's just a few of number in these groups that do that but but look I really believe that you know it was God's will for me to be here especially the second round because I had such strong opposition from everyone and you know mayors and you know I was running against a mayor and I had all the mayors I had police jurors and and they were actually the police jurors were and the mayors were actually going to these low forums that people were having forums and really talking you know negative about me because you know at that time Governor Edwards had vetoed all of my projects they said I couldn't work with any of you know I wasn't down at work for him I was sent there to represent my district you know the people of the district I didn't go down there to represent the police jurors the school boards and all the mayors I went to represent my 44,000 constituents yeah yeah and you know yourself at on the western side of Louisiana we're very conservative and that that's the value that I bring to Baton Rouge along with a few others you know we're Republican but but more than yet you know we're conservative and to me there is a difference you know absolutely and that difference is becoming obvious by the day it seems like but speaking of representing your district Rodney I want to talk about the local option bills for carbon capture and sequestration which is not the first time frankly that these bills have been brought they were passed in for three years yeah the third year they've been brought it was you know this year 497 498 and 504 Vernon Beauregard and Sabine to allow those parishes to make their own local determination with respect to carbon capture and sequestration projects and not have those projects imposed on them statewide tell us about those bills they they were voted on in the House Natural Resources Committee and all went down the same people always voting against tell us about it did it surprise you anything interesting that happened with regard to those bills you know we we started the session off with Mike Johnson's bill you know which was essentially one of the same bills so whenever it failed you know we couldn't get them scheduled into the committee rooms until the end of session more or less and we knew that they weren't going there were more bills that other representatives had put together but they decided not to run them because they knew we didn't go anywhere but but look I had three resolutions from the three police jurors opposing you know the so it was my duty to go ahead and run those bills even though we knew they weren't going anywhere yeah but right you so you knew you're not gonna interrupt you here I just think it's really important that our viewers know this these three parishes Vernon Beauregard and Sabine all three have memorialized resolutions opposing carbon capture and sequestration yes sir and yet you go before this committee and you know could not get it through and what what's really sad Chris is you know we we vote on gambling issues we vote on after-hull issues we get to vote on all of this other kind of issues but then whenever you know carbon is such a forefront that's in a scam in my opinion but but you know they wouldn't let listen to the local government government body you know to oppose it to to keep it out so it's it's not dead you know I get criticized all the time because I'm not one of these Facebook guys you know people you know they criticize me all the time because I'm not on Facebook you know we we go through we we had a training in a Republican caucus and they said if you're not putting stuff on Facebook two times a day three times a day you're you're not you know doing a good job that's not the person I am it's just not I'm gonna have town hall meetings in July and all three of my parishes but but you know how many people show up those town hall eight or ten maybe you know out of 44,000 people you have eight or ten show up but but you know you have to do and it you know we have some representatives do a great job I have a hard time who can up to y'all you know so and it's just not me that does you know that it's not about me you know and that's why I'm not on Facebook a lot I used to get up for years and wish everybody in my friends list a happy birthday okay hey I had so many negative you know comments just from wishing somebody happy birthday congratulating somebody on some achievement they did I've quit you know it I don't know I call them keyboard warriors because they don't care what it is that they're negative about any and it's extraordinary yeah you know so well and how you have to keep your peace right you can't just continue to subject yourself to being pummeled for no reason when you're out there fighting no for the good of people and for the same reason I stayed away from Facebook for a long time I'm in I'm in the I'm in the throws of it now and anyway it is what it is but I can 100% appreciate not wanting to be out there on Facebook every single day and a lot of it is a time suck I'd love to just maybe switch gears and talk about another bill that you brought up Shammerhorn that would have stopped Louisiana from being the world's dumping ground for polluted CO2 or industrial waste whatever you want to call it it's certainly not pure otherwise I guess they wouldn't be putting it in the ground but that bill did not did not also find success do you want to talk a little bit about this you know I was thinking then yeah all we've heard since the carbon issue has risen is ugly head is that you know the benefit that we would have industry comes in and needs the disposal of the carbon and and you know it's gonna have the economy here so much well let's help Louisiana's economy if we can't get it stopped let's help Louisiana's economy but why do we want to help Florida's economy to build out industry jobs and help their economy and take their carbon into Louisiana for disposal why do we want to take any of the mid-states you know carbon for disposal the the The disposal is not where the money's at. the industry that goes along with it and and that was my thought behind it and I was just wanting to cut the head off the snake you know from us taking more than what we could actually benefit from. Or more than we or what we're not even producing. Right right exactly. I just read article a while ago while I was waiting on the back portion listening to the cows walk around and moaning grown and and beller for the calves and the calves and so on but you know there's more people die from cold than heat you know I mean there were like 400,000 deaths back several centuries ago and and now from the heat side it's down into low figures I mean it is so tremendous and they were actually using carbon because the United States while the whole world has become greener in the last century because of the carbon that's generated to make the green. So you start taking that away and you go slow the process down you know and look we need a green world we don't need one it's like to see how they're desert all the time. Yeah exactly and maybe on that excuse me if we could touch on one other aspect of what you're dealing with with regard to CC I saw that you brought some house resolutions that would aim to address the seismic activity. It is. Talk about what you're seeing up in northwest Louisiana with regard to seismic activity and what do you think it's connected to? Maybe it's the drilling of the injection wells themselves. No I don't think it's the drilling of the injection wells or self because they're not in this area. Okay we really don't know what it is and it just hasn't been done you know Texas does a good job of mapping out their seismic activity and and stuff and that's what this study is for is to get Louisiana on the same track as Texas Oklahoma possibly has it but I do know Texas does and and we need to be recording that because you know yourself that up until several years ago we didn't have any seismic exactly in Louisiana and then all of a sudden it starts kicking off. We don't know what it's from but I think the study would help create and log and make sure that you know we're starting to understand what maybe causing it. Now if we're injecting CO2 into the ground and you have a three mile seismic activity we're in trouble yeah we're in trouble because you're opening up at depth and you're putting it not three miles under the ground it's you know a mile they claim a mile but who knows what the ceiling is you know but and that was one of the reasons for that. Yeah did it did it surprise you at all Rodney I mean we've already got imminent domain for pipelines and for geologic storage in Louisiana you know the concerns of property owners in Louisiana have not been collectively addressed by the legislature you have stood up for them others have stood up for them but they've not been addressed in the satisfactory way in the legislature let's not get ourselves so you bring this bill that simply would say okay if you're going to do this can we at least limit the industrial waste that we're bearing under private property in Louisiana can we at least limit it to what is produced here in Louisiana and not take on the industrial waste that's produced by these activities in other states could you at least throw the citizens of Louisiana a bone on this and the legislature couldn't get it done and people wonder I mean people wonder why Louisiana citizens in property owners are just becoming increasingly disenchanted with the establishment party in Louisiana it's like this is not an unreasonable expectation it was a very very reasonable bill that you filed so does it surprise you that they couldn't get that through it did that that bill really surprised me whenever it didn't get election be able to walk out it really did because you know like I said when we started you know it was all about growth coming to Louisiana the the hundred billion dollar investment okay but but look that's coming to Louisiana if we've got to take some of it there you know the rest of the states benefiting but hey like I said earlier Florida has you know prohibited it and a potential oh no I did not hear that yeah and and you know that that's kind of upsetting you know we're spending losing out of money take somebody else's trash that's exactly right so when when people say that you know we are becoming quickly dumping ground I don't you think that that is an accurate decision it is it really is it is yeah getting over to eminent domain since you mentioned it a little bit you know I received some I don't receive a lot of money okay because I'm a care body man but some of the debt and some of the oil monies has come to me over the years and I have it in my account and I'm waiting for the first eminent domain court case from a landowner I'm not talking about save Louisiana and all these that are fighting it I'm talking about where they go to court to fight a landowner for his property I'm going to give it to that first case to have on his finding on his attorney fees that's awesome you know yeah I think that's very very commendable for you to do that you know they they I'll say we're not going to use them that domain but they don't want to take you to out the two box you know they use it whenever they go to see these older people and I've had several of them tell me that you know the land man came to him and said hey you know you need to sign this or we'll take you to court and take a bayonet domain and I've even had one told me that they said that you would not receive any monies if we took a bayonet domain which is completely I you know there but you know my own son he's got property heaks and they hammered him for over a year trying to get him to just sign the lease and he just refused and you know and you know we are concerned but our main concern is the water you know our water preferring and you know that's why I ran the other bill on prohibiting the sale of our surface water outside the state of Louisiana you know water is one of our resources that we cannot do without you know and Texas and I and I used it like a cattle on a field you know you can overstock that grass and it runs out well that's what Texas has allowed to happen with industry coming to Texas and the growth of population you know yeah it's inviting you to go to Texas but they have overused their water and and that's why they're wanting Louisiana water out of Caledabin and that's why I continue to fight you know for for all water and it needs to be this this I just wanted to mention here the you know they say well they're not using them in a domain first of all I believe that there are expropriation actions occurring in Louisiana now based upon what they my Louisiana has said and others but what we have to understand here Rodney is that even if they're not explicitly invoking imminent domain it doesn't mean that imminent domain is not being held over their head like baseball bat just like representative McCormick very appropriately pointed out in the House Natural Resources Committee if you're threatening people with imminent domain and they know that they're going to have to spend a whole bunch of money that they don't have to battle you in court and ultimately you know they're going to be out you know a ton of money and may win may lose what do you think people are going to do so people have to understand that as long as the threat of imminent domain is present and viable that is the problem that's the problem and that's the very reason why there was so much opposition on the part of industry and Jones Walker in the House Natural Resources Committee to representative Johnson's HP 7 it is say they're not oh we're not going to use them in a domain well then repeal it take it out of the law right yep you know one thing it really got him worried was the court case of for the landowner down south you know the court was wanting to expand and he took him to court and he won yeah so that's really got him on edge because you know that was for private gain and and and the court system ruled in his favor so but one day they're going to have to do an individual and get him into court and whenever they do that's when I think all of this have come to a head and we'll be able to do it and you know and and you know representative Owens he did the resolution I think I think it was HCR to let the law institute study to see if the vote in 2020 was against the constitution that's a very very big study right there and you know if if we can get that vote throughout but but also on top of that you know we we've got the carbon wars not a benefit You know, so if it's not a beneficial use, you know, you're eminent domains out the door, you know, on top of that. So, you know, we're packing away at it. Are we going to be quick enough to stop it? I don't know that. That's the question. And the only thing profit it up, the only thing profit it up, Rep Shammerhorn is money at this point. It is. It is. Our money. Yes. And I look, I had a company came out of Minnesota. The CEO came to my office and went back. They have a look at the gas plant and it's having a parish. And he came to him because he knew I was opposed to his question. The CO2. And, you know, he came and he wanted to know my opinion. And I said, look, I said, you know, my opinion is I'm not far. And he said, well, you know, we do a lot for saving parish. I said, I know. And we do appreciate that. He said, with this here, we just add to what we would be able to do. And I said, well, taking consideration, you know, and he told me exactly what was going to be. And it was going to be in the woods and all that. And I said, yeah, but you're going to have to get your pipeline through to it from where you're at. And, you know, anyway, we stayed at it for about two hours in the office. And he agreed that he was going to go back and tell the board that it was not a good deal to do. And, but he actually got on the plane and flew down here to see how it is. So if they would all come and actually ask the deal, you know, I think it would change a lot of these boards, mind, you know, to see what the activity, but look, they have hard guns to go out there and they're land man. Where we live right here, there was another group came to see us. And, you know, they actually asked the land man that what do you think? He said, look, I've got a job to do. He said, if it was me, I wouldn't do it, but he was the oil and gas guy. But he was the old two. He said, I wouldn't do it. So, you know, there's a couple of dead, but a majority of us didn't sign that lease. And it's just the CEOs, you know, they're like any CEO. They're looking at the numbers side of it. They're not out in the public to see what actually is going on. And I'm going to throw the timber people in there. You know, the same thing with timber. You know, we all blame the lawyers for carrying the roads up. Well, the lawyers have a job to do. It's the timber companies that need to be footing to be or not the longer. And, you know, timber, they're taxed around $3 an acre. You know, and it's just not, you know, it doesn't hurt at all. You know. Yeah. And Rep. Shammerhorn, one point I just want to draw out of what you're saying, you know, that CEO came to you in the parish that was affected to the area that was affected when so many of them seem to be having or peddling their influence in areas that are not affected. So, so, you know, someone pointed out and Chris, this is something you and I were thinking about before session even started that the people who are such strong proponents of CCS don't have any projects proposed in their districts. Right. Right. And that's the main thing. So, look, if South Louisiana wants it to collect it, you know, they should be able to dispose of it in South Louisiana. That's where all the benefits are, you know, and that's where all the opportunity job opportunities are going, you know, and I was reminded yesterday that by leadership that, you know, because we were talking about the teacher, the governor's executive order. I told, you know, I was going through water finances, water on my three school systems and, you know, he said, well, you know, they're refusing some benefits from industry. And I said, no, sir, they're not. That's not where it's at. I said, there's very little benefit. You know, it may be a little financial, but the risk is not worth the benefit that would be coming for the disposal, you know. And we had a chipmills came to a meeting and they said, man, we're going to have 100 plus jobs and the lovers are having somewhere to bring their stuff. And to, you know, get to wood chips, chips, it just be this wonderful deal, but we can't come unless we can dispose of carbon. You know, they were here to really push the police jury into saying, hey, okay, we're going to be a trade dish for allowing disposal. Who's mandating, who's mandating for the timber companies, these ESG requirements is, I mean, who are they selling their timber to that needs low carbon timber? Well, it's any carbon neutral. I mean, isn't that kind of retarded? Sorry. It's just more money, you know. Yeah. But they're the guys. These are the same people that buy the carbon credits whenever they buy a flight. I'm sure they are all faithful to go and spend the extra money when they buy a Delta ticket and they paid to neutralize their own carbon footprint. I'm sure of it. Yes. Yes, just like go. Exactly. Exactly. I'm sure they would never accept a flight on a private jet either. They would never. Well, you wonder how many they own. Exactly. Well exactly. Yeah. So you have the local communities here. But now look, it's completely honest with y'all. When the door opened on this, you know, they bombarded rural Louisiana, you know, first of the question. If they would have been like a all company and, you know, like I'm going to use Royal Martin because they're one of the big guys here in our area, they had like 15,000 acres for their lease. Okay. If they would have went and done a deal where Royal Martin in the center of that 15,000 acres put in Jackson, Royal 34 years later, if there were no problem, them would have been the time to go out and start trying to expand and do it the right way for landowners saying, hey, you know, we have not had any instance three or four years. Do you want to be involved? No, they came and since Royal Martin had the biggest chunk, you know, they were able to force a lot of these others into thinking that hey, it's going to happen. I've got to sign this lease. And, but, you know, why do you need such a large footprint on this? And that was another concern. But, you know, it's like anything else. If you get something so large and something does go wrong, you have a big, you know, big problem. I mean, so, but, yeah. What's the, what is Rodney that, to me, this really comes down at a heart to what is the purpose of this? Why are we doing this? What is the public benefit of doing this? It's not, it's not. I'll read. It's just the dollars. When the Chris and Daniel, you know, they've been working on this since the 90s in Washington. You know, and, and, you know, yeah, they, they kind of blindsided us in, in 2020 because, you know, we was going through COVID, everything was shut down. And it was the golden age for us to be able to keep. And we didn't know we needed better. They knew better. They knew. They knew. And they knew. And that's why I said it actually started in the 90s. And, you know, Gore was heavily involved in it. I don't know who I'll remorse in it. He was heavily involved in it. But, you know, everybody looks at the cost of the question of the CO2. You know, it's more money on the collecting CO2 than it is on the question. So instead of it being in the 80s, per ton, they're getting like 120 to capture it. Per ton. Wow. Wow. To capture it. Meanwhile, the atmosphere has 0.004. Asmospheric CO2. Yeah, it's coming down naturally. You know, so. And, and Rip, Shamerhorn. Here's a question for you from the chat. It's a good one by Walter. Hey, Walter saw him last night down in Homa. He's running for Congress against, well, in Troy Carter's district. I can't remember the number. You can type in the number if you, if you want, Walter. But he says ask if he was present. Is congressional district to think you ask if he was present when Governor Landry said if they don't want sequestration, he will pull the permit. I think that's an excellent question. Actually, there. But I heard it numerous times that that's what he said. Yeah. I know there are several permits that have not been signed and okay. And I think it's a big question, Mark. And, you know, it is how can I say this? You know, I think whenever that was said. you know, cause it was later said by leadership that, you know, if you don't want any of this, don't expect any roads, bridges, anything like that, you know, so it's punishment. But, you know, they don't understand rule Louisiana is get the hell out of my life. Tell me what I can do and can't do. You know, this is my life. And, you know, look, I was on the police during the 80s, I ran for one term and we got a lot done. I was building my business so it was a conflict of interest so I got out. I didn't run for reelection. But, you know, one of our main deals was, you know, we need industry in here to keep our kids in Louisiana. Okay, I was at the age coming up to where college was important, but it wasn't as important as when my kids were coming up. So, you know, at that time we required all children to go to college if you want to get a head, you know, now I think that it Louisiana doesn't have enough of that type of job. So, everybody we were educating were actually leaving Louisiana and going to rest of the United States. My point is Louisiana rule Louisiana is rule Louisiana. They don't they don't want to be a big city. If they wanted to be, they moved to Lafayette, Baton Rouge, but they like to rule. And you can see that happening all over like Youngville. You know, Youngville has exploded in growth, you know, over in each side of Baton Rouge, it happened. I mean, they are really exploding, but the people are moving out, you know, and if you have jobs and stuff like that, that people can do. But, but, rule Louisiana is happy with their little 48ers, you know, get to see everybody at the store, you know, and that's just the way I live, you know, if you've never lived on a lake to lead a man as a wonderful place to visit or to live. And and that's like that on all lakes and the bi-use and everything else. It's just a different atmosphere, you know, and, you know, 90% of the people would vote against a lot of this stuff because they are content with their way of life, their rule of life. And the city people don't understand what rule life is. And, you know, like myself, you know, I'm a rule guy, you can tell by the way I talk and everything, but, you know, I love getting up in the morning going on the bank porch drinking my coffee and then I go check on the cows or the horses and, you know, it's just a relaxed atmosphere when I live down the lake, man, it's not, it take me four hours to cut the grass because I just said I'm the line more watch away, you know, and it's just the thing type of life. And, you know, you, you may have. I think Rodney, I think that's part, I think that's a big part of the reason why these rural landowners are so alarmed by this carbon capture and sequestration because I believe they perceive it as just a direct threat to their way of life, to their health. I've often said to Danielle and others that, you know, people can put up with a lot of things, but when you start toying with their property, when you start toying with their health, when you start toying even with their large amounts of their money in the form of these substance, you kind of cross the line there and people begin to wake up on this stuff and I think they are waking up now across the state, especially in the rural communities, but even beyond that, I think people are beginning to understand the threat of this. It is. It is. And, you know, what's really sad, Chris, is, you know, I'm conservative and, you know, I'll be honest with you in '88, I went under out of business. I went bankrupt and it was from a federal contract and, you know, they wanted to do some shady stuff and I just wouldn't do it, you know, and he said, so he arranged it to where he'd actually put me out of business. But I said that it never happened again and I built my business back up and I mean, it's working 20 hour days, seven days a week. I'm not proud of it, but, you know, when you're in a service industry, that's what you have to do. But it's the price. That you can expect somebody else to pay your way, you know, the I am and I have been since I started back in the '80s and, you know, after that debt free, all of it. The federal government, the state of Louisiana, the teachers unions, all of the teachers, they turned them down twice in a amendment that would have got them out of debt. You know, and, you know, on the retirement side and gave them a raise. Why in the world do they think that they need debt? You know, the Bible even says, hey, oh, no man. But yet our, our nations want 40 trillion coming up on 40 trillion dollars in debt and we're going to give a trillion dollars to carbon scale. Well, that's true there. True there. I got to push back a little bit though on the amendment though, Reps are saying, I certainly understand the, you know, the debt and, you know, you need to retire the teacher's debt. But I think that there are ways to do that that don't require, you know, the rating of education trust funds or the liquidation of dedicated education trust funds, which will exist for a long, long time. And that, but then again, I mean, we don't, we don't, I understand your point about the debt. I just think the way that the governor wanted to go about doing that through that amendment, we didn't agree with that. No, and that, that was hard. Okay. But there again, the other retirement funds was not coming out of any of that. You know, we're paying, well, we're the school systems are paying like 8% interest on that each and every year and the money that we're setting in that fund is collecting about 1.5 to 2%. You know, the, the thing I think is once that retirement debt is paid off, I think the school systems are looking at it as a windfall. And I said this yesterday is a windfall of money that's going to be coming in. It won't be dedicated to a teacher's pay raise, a permanent pay raise. And that's the part that I don't think they like. Maybe not, maybe not. But is there, is there any reason why, you know, I know you weren't a part of this representative statement horn, but Louisiana Doe was, was, was instituted with great fanfare, probably close to a year ago now or if not even longer than that. I think you feel a little longer than that. And if you compare the effort of our Louisiana Doe's to the, the Florida's Doe's, it doesn't seem as though there's been any real robust development there or progress on Louisiana Doe's, particularly as it relates to, you know, the 500 or so regulatory agencies. You realize that we have 500 regulatory boards and agencies in the state of Louisiana. I do. I do. I mean too much. Too many. It just seems, it just seems, seems so extraordinarily and so oppressive. But I got to get to this point because I know that that Danielle has some stuff, she needs to get, I want to ask you about your, your bill, your great bill that was House Bill 922 that we followed and it was the bill that simply would have required, statutorily, all these utility companies, these big data companies to, it would have prohibited them from offloading any of their infrastructure costs onto Louisiana ratepayers. It looks like a clean bill. It looks like a good bill. I watched you before the House Commerce Committee on that and basically what they, what they came out of, what I came away with was this. You know, the Public Service Commission and Energy, they're, they're guaranteeing that there's not going to be any, any offload onto Louisiana ratepayers. None of their infrastructure costs. So basically that's all we need. But your bill would have statutorily prohibited that from occurring. Yes. And the Commerce Committee basically and you, I think it was voluntarily deferred. Well, I think you, well, I think you realized that, you know, there's, and always you voluntarily deferred it because there's a chance you can always bring it back. Whereas if you go and have a vote on it and there's no way it's going to pass your debt and understand. So understand why you would have voluntarily deferred it. But the issue here is all, we, all your bill was trying to do was codify exactly what they have promised. Yes. You know, and I've been brought up, you know, seven of them had signed that pledge with President Trump, you know, and, you know, they, they claimed that, you know, hey, we're going to do it anyway. Well, if you're going to do it anyway, just codify, make it loud. You know, seven on the Commerce Committee signed the pledge and they, they wouldn't vote for it. Wow. The, the hypocrisy is, is stunning as always. So because of this, repressions, I just kind of make this way because of this, because of their failure on your very, very good bill, there is currently nothing more than a promise from the big industry that they're not going to roll their call. Any of their infrastructure costs on direct and you know ultimately it's going to happen. So we walk away with an empty promise. Yes, exactly, but but you know Chris that ties in with carbon also You know they promised this promise that but they will not agree to anything You know, I had an injection fee per ton. I had a pipeline fee per ton You know for pipeline it would went three miles out to protect, you know the Regis residents And it would have been used for roads bridges for quicker access vehicles protect the schools let them have a little income to make sure everything was safe They they do not want to do that and it's like I told some of them I said y'all just like carpet backers y'all are going to come and take what you can take Give what you give to start with and once you get it approved you're out of here Yeah, and you know it's It's just the way they are and you know And I can't believe the legislature will not get on board for some of these bills, you know And it's just it's just heartbreaking really Yeah, it is heartbreaking Rodney, but but you know what it is a great service to us That you bring this very good legislation because it allows us to highlight First of all the issues that are critically important and secondly because this is part of our job It allows us to to isolate and name the legislators who are who are killing these bills these very important bills You don't you don't have to do that because obviously you got to work with these people I get it, but our job is to make sure that Louisiana citizens know full well who is responsible for sabotaging Good good important Well, the only the only problem with that and and I was hoping that you know Some of the CCS bills would have got out natural resources or just one of Because the only people you see are those in committee that are opposing yeah, you don't see the whole house It's true that would be the interesting vote You know to see what the whole house would vote on Paul heard Rodney Paul her den. Yeah, you want to tell him about what Paul heard his proposal Yeah, he would he put for basically the idea is if you can get 20 state reps at any point during the session to say that We want a full floor vote on a certain bill whether the bill's been killed in committee whether the bill has lie dormant in committee Whether it's passed and hasn't moved on the house floor any of those scenarios It would allow for the the reps to call forward the bill and it would put the speaker in a position to have to Absolutely run the bill run a vote on the bill because I think he said that you can't run any other bills Once that once that call is made no other bills can run in front of it So it would completely put gridlock on the entire house operations that that's good to know and we were looking at that the freedom caucus members were and Just trying to play it through and You're gonna have to do a lot of homework because if if they find out that you're trying to get 20 votes It's gonna be some kind of tough, you know People that are not there don't understand the pressures that the residents are under, you know You're under enormous you're under a tremendous amount of pressure I totally get it and I don't care, you know and and You know, I don't represent Baton Rouge. I represent West Louisiana and and you know, that's that's where my My desire is to you know to have improved West Louisiana as much as I can or protect us from from everything so Yeah, and speaking of that representable horn You brought some legislation that was very important to me and I'm really grateful for that and it was your bills on Lab-grown meat the cell cultured meat One was a labeling requirement That was house bill 17 that passed through unanimously and the second one I was was going further And that one completely prohibited the sale of it. I believe in the state of Louisiana It does and the reason behind those was The reason I ran the labeling bill first is if my other to prohibit it The Supreme Court in Texas or Florida Florida had a Supreme Court, but it was on one part of the labeling. I mean on the prohibiting the meat Texas has won for commerce part and that's in Supreme Court That's why we also added the amendment That depending on what the Supreme Court does it would then become law that that's the same amendment per say As the abortion law what that does is keeps us out of the millions of dollars fighting a lawsuit because they're coming So that's the reason Rodney because when we first looked at that, you know It the our instinctive response to that amendment was completely negative and it's because our state seems to have a pattern Unfortunately of bowing to the knee of the federal government and and not asserting the sovereignty that that the Constitution This is in us and you know to say that the bill can the law can only be enforced if the United States Supreme Court ultimately decides That it's constitutional to us looked as though it was simply a deflection and an excuse not to enforce the law Since then we've had some discussions that sort of have influenced me in a different direction I think Dan Yell that that these lawsuits and the cost of these lawsuits that would be paid probably by the Acrocro I guess the Acrocrocro if it's an easy yeah would be would be absolutely debilitating To them and and therefore they they want to wait and see what the U.S. Supreme Court ultimately does again The the concern that we have is whether or not it ultimately gets to the U.S. Supreme Court and when in the meantime What is occurring on this issue that was our concern? Yeah, but we understand the other side of it But but yeah, and that's what it is Look Chris you you understand that every time we do something The lawyers line up because they gonna get their pockets feel you know, and you know since floridives ran it Texas is ran it. There's probably another like a Nebraska or somebody like that has done it That's why I went ahead and allowed that amendment because that department has no money Available for lawsuits. I get that would get out of their direct budget. So yeah But anyway, that's why we allowed that but But I I did want to and look getting back to the Commerce Committee, you know, one of the main deals with that was commerce You know, they keep saying commerce, you know, and that's what they said about whenever I tried to prohibit the carbon from coming into Louisiana It's against commerce, you know, you they would Bring you to court and they would like it's against the commerce clause in the Constitution. Yes. Yes Because I know and I want to do a lot of studying while I'm off this time There are there are plants and mushrooms that are prohibited from being sold in the state So how can they even have the temerity to say That carbon carbon toxins are not that that would be against the commerce clause. That's insanity But that's what they used on the meat the carbon and the electric okay, yeah, that's very selective isn't it? For several years ago Joe Orgeron or good friend on carbon he ran a bill for wine Because there were some wines that couldn't come into Louisiana. They were prohibited in coming to Louisiana So I think to be all past and we got it passed so now they can come into Louisiana But before it it was all all on there, but there's a whole lot of research has to be done on what can and can't be considered Open commerce right what you can and so much and so much Rodney so much of Of the tyranny that we see Imposed on states by the federal government is always is always done at the altar of the interstate Commerce clause it is the point where it's been so distorted and so abused That state governments and state legislatures are not even allowed to engage in actions that Protect its own citizens from clear and obvious threats without being without without it being Vitiated under the interstate commerce clause. I can tell you that our founding fathers absolutely did not Did not envision the way the interstate commerce clause is being used and abused in our country right now I don't think they know they did not foresee that no look they did a great job on it, you know But there's so much change since it was yeah, you know And so many abusive that have been tried in some as liberal courts Have allowed to move forward yeah, you know the way that lands. So Well, you're doing honestly you're I'm just continue to be very very impressed with your efforts in the legislature You know, I was there firsthand and watched some of the votes that you made on principle the right way votes and I wish we had more in the legislature like you, but I have no doubt that others are inspired by you and the resolve that you show in the legislature. So it's just an incredible pleasure to have you with us today and I know that you're continuing to fight. And when Luzard draw, Rep. Shamerhorn, it's important that you know what you do there benefits us so much because it allows us shine a spotlight where it needs to be shown. So the ultimately we can contribute to the effort to return our government for the people and make sure more people like you are serving in our legislature. So nonetheless you sir. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for joining us today, Rep. Shamerhorn. We'll see you soon. Yes ma'am. Hey Chris. I've got real quick. Have you gave us the scorecard yet? Not yet, but we're not yet, but we'll make something else. One thing I want to hear from you next couple of weeks will have them out and ready to go and I'm looking forward to getting that done. Okay. Sounds good. Look, I certainly do appreciate y'all taking the time to have me on and anytime you'll need anything, just hall or reach out. And I will be looking at her deal and we'll be trying to figure out a way to do that for next session. So next session is the physical session. So we're limited to five bills that's not local or not tax related. But we could work it to where it would be a physical bill so it would be counting against us. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully so. And there's one other part to it, Representative Shamerhorn, that will affect the governor's line item veto under a certain threshold amount of money that the line item veto would be off limits. And that's something I'd also like to do. And that's also part of Paul Herd's package. But we look forward to working with you and talking with you more about it. Okay. Well, look, y'all, I do appreciate y'all. I do. And I bless you. You know, we don't always see how to, but I look and listen to everything you've seen me. Okay. Well, thank you. We take you to consideration. Yes sir. But thank you so much. Thank you. You too. And God bless. Chris, I really enjoy talking. I'm Captain Shamerhorn today was the first day I've met him. And as he was talking kind of in closing about that commerce clause piece, I was hearing you in my head that the legislators suddenly had a spasm of constitutional recognition whenever it comes to something that they want to do, but not whenever, you know, the full picture of the constitution doesn't come into play, but just the part that may shoehorn their wishes and their desires upon the people. Exactly. Exactly. The, you know, too often their fidelity to the constitution is contingent upon the extent to which that fidelity benefits them or enriches them. And I think that's unfortunate. It's not really a principled fidelity. But I agree with you, Representative Shamerhorn is a very, very good legislator. And what he does there is so valuable to us as an advocacy group. And you know, on the state of freedom as well. Yeah, 100%. And Chris, maybe just to go back to the CCS bills, his bills, the three bills that came forward that actually got a vote in House Natural Resources where those self-determination bills, I believe is repeats. What do we say repeats Vernon and Sabine and. Vernon, Vernon, Boe, Ricardo and Sabine. And I just wanted to mention the names of those who voted for and against it. The people who voted for the parishes to be able to decide if they actually want to take the liability of this carbon capture being shoved on this captured carbon being shoved under their property were DeWitt Carrier, Kim Coates, Jason DeWitt, Brett Geiman, Shane Mack, Danny McCormick and Lauren Ventrilla. And the votes were the same across all three of these bills and the people who voted against it. So the people who said, even though you live there, even though it's your aquifer that's going to be potentially contaminated, even though it's your neighborhood that could have, you know, potentially be suffocated by this, you don't get to say in it. And those are Ken Brass, Jacob Bro, Jessica Domaine, Travis Johnson, Jacob Landry, Joe Arnill, Riser, Paul Sawyer and Zeezerang. Yeah, one Democrat and the rest Republicans who decided that it was not appropriate to give local governments and local communities the ones who will be most directly and immediately impacted by this, the choice to make this determination for themselves. Those Republicans and that Democrat and the names always seem to be the same. Occasionally, Danielle, one of them is absent, but if they're there, they're always voting against property rights, against local authority in favor of big industry and in favor of these tax subsidies that propell this scam forward. It's really, really sad. It's unfortunate, but we cannot say these names enough. Right. We cannot say these names enough. And I do want to address two other things that seem to be popping up on Facebook in the chat when with our reels related to carbon capture and sequestration and particularly for the first one with the imminent domain. And Chris, if you would address this, people keep popping up in the chat and saying, but there is no expropriation for pipelines. There's only expropriation of private property for injection wells. Is that true or false? Please. Absolutely. Absolutely false on the pipelines. But what is required, this is probably what they're talking about, on the pipelines in order to be able to expropriate for the pipelines under SB244 from last year, the year before, whenever it was, they have to say that they are a common carrier, that they're a common carrier, and that what they're doing, and that they intend to provide a public benefit as a result of it. They go before the conservation commission, that is utterly and irreversibly compromised to the carbon capture sequestration industry. They absolutely will tell them, okay, yeah, you're saying that you're a common carrier. You're going to be providing a public benefit. They're going to give them the stamp of approval, give them their certificate of public convenience and necessity, and they're going to go on down the road expropriating your property. So don't be fooled by this. This common carrier theoretical obstacle to, and then it domain for pipelines in Louisiana is really ultimately a fiction because of the partisan nature of the Conservation Commission in the state of Louisiana. If they were actually going to require these CCS companies to go in and prove, and prove that the permanent burial, or pipelines used for the permanent burial of CO2 waste underground, was a public benefit. They'd probably lose and they probably wouldn't be able to do it, but that's not the way it will happen. Either way, they're going to end up having to file suit in court and spending a tremendous amount of money vindicating their core property rights. That's what it's going to come down to. So don't let anybody tell you that imminent domain is not readily available in operative in Louisiana for CO2 pipelines and the geologic storage of CO2 waste. It absolutely is. Very well said. Thank you, Chris. I want to address that's coming up in the Facebook chat, not live now, but it's been coming up in the Facebook chat over the last couple of weeks as we've been talking about carbon capture and sequestration is that we have to do carbon capture and sequestration because of European demands for low carbon fuel. Otherwise we're going to get left behind as a state. And I'll simply say this, carbon capture and sequestration is not energy development. It is taxpayer-funded waste disposal and Louisiana is the place that these companies have set their sights on to be the world's dumping ground for toxic waste. Why should we back a Ponzi scheme that gives big corporates and corrupt politicians all of the benefits and leaves Louisiana citizens with all of the liability? It does not take a background in chemical engineering to oppose that. You can call us conspiracy theorist until you're blue in the face, but this is pure common sense. This is looking at the facts. You don't have to be some kind of physicist to understand this. This is very straightforward. If you start looking at the incentive structure, the incentives are all for the big corporates and the big corporates know how to incentivize the politicians. So don't tell me that this is for my good. Absolutely. That this is for my good and don't dare say that there is an organic market demand for carbon capture and sequestration because there absolutely isn't. It is propped up solely and completely and everybody knows this now with our money in the form of billions of dollars of federal tax credits. If you take those away, this whole enterprise folds up like a cheap lawn chair and goes away and everybody knows it. The thing that it continues to stun me, Danielle, less so than six months ago or a year ago, is the fact that even though they're clearly and demonstrably is no public benefit to this enterprise, even though it's clear and demonstrable that it's being propped up with our money. money that it is invoking the use of imminent domain to seize people's property for an activity that is actually dangerous if it gets down to the water aquifers as most scientists have said, the ones that we've spoke, despite all of that, they continue to move forward head strong with this in the face of the overwhelming opposition of Louisiana citizens. I cannot continue to get my arms around this. You know, when Jesus said Danielle that the love of money really is the root of all evil. I cannot help but think of this one issue because it's all about the money. That is it. Yeah, it is all about the money. And if this is an issue that you are interested in learning more about, if this is an issue that gets you hot under the collar, I would encourage you to read my sub-sec article series. It is, you can just look up Freedom State US on sub-sec and I can drop it in the chat as well. But this is where I have been digging into this and really I think trying to tackle these points that people say are the reasons we have to do this and saying no, we don't absolutely do not have to do this. And there is an alternative. And what's happening is our energy independence and our energy future is under attack by this CCS because the money that's being spent on that is not being spent on showing up refineries is not being spent on building the infrastructure for energy companies to actually do extraction. The CCS projects being proposed. Some of them are even in the area where the Bozer formation is, which would completely maybe at least it would inhibit potentially the ability for companies to extract. And so what good is that doing? That is cutting off your nose despite your faces while enriching a few. So anyway, I think I may have beat a dead horse on that one today, but it just really gets me very angry when people tell us that we have to do this or we're going to get left behind. No, we're not going to get left behind. We have to stand up and stand our ground literally for our ground or else we're going to have to move somewhere else. I cannot say it any better than that. That is absolutely exactly what is going on, exactly what is going on. Last point on this Danielle, you have, I can't tell you periodically on social media, you probably seen it where you'll have why is, why are people like Dr. Fleming so focused on carbon capture and sequestration? Why are these people so focused on carbon? And the answer is very, very simple and I really need you to understand this. It is because it is the issue in our state that involves billions of dollars of our money, our core private property rights and the health of our water system and the health of our children and their physical safety. That's why it is so important. That's why it's important to take a stand on this issue right here and right now. It's a battle that we have to win, not just for us but for the next generation. We have to win this. And if we want industry to come here, we have to not destroy the state so they actually want to come here. Exactly. Okay, a couple of announcements, Chris. Tomorrow on For the Love of Freedom, I will be having Dr. Fleming back with me for a little bit more of a personal sit down conversation. People, you know, I'm tired of the politics of it. Everybody's kind of exhausted by the race in a way because there's so much negative stuff namely by the Let Low campaign coming out. You know, you can't turn on the TV without having three ads. You can't even look at your phone without getting a text message and you can't go to your mailbox without having multiple mailers in their full of lives. So I just want to sit down with him tomorrow and talk about what made him the man he is today and get into that rather than, you know, leave some of the political stuff aside and have a more human conversation. So I'm really looking forward to that and I think you all will enjoy it as well. And we want to make sure, you know, that Saturday is not that you could forget because you're seeing all those text messages but get out and vote on Saturday. This is a really, really important election. Not that much is on the ballot but what is on the ballot is very, very important. Extraordinarily important. I'm going to listen to your interview with Dr. Philiming-Demaradennial and I agree with you that there's so much negativity, so many lies that are being directed against Don Fleming yet he still moves forward and I believe that the grassroots are increasingly lining up behind him across the state of Louisiana. So I'm looking forward to watching that interview tomorrow. I just wanted to mention a reminder to everyone to continue to follow the state of freedom, support the state of freedom. Vote lookaglacag.org as we continue to build and continue to move forward because we want to be and we will be your portal and your voice for constitutional liberty in the state of Louisiana. And I'm so happy to be filling this niche, Danielle. Yeah. 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