Inside The Covid-19 Cocaine Boom: High-End Drug Dealer Reveals GETTING RICH During The Pandemic

- Yeah, I've heard there's a lot of time, like you'll get you whatever you want. Ah, yeah, whatever. Two weeks later, somebody was in my door. And I was like, oh, these guys wasn't playing. Give me 20 joints, 20 bricks of coke, yeah, yeah. And then it all came to a head during COVID. December, 2019, wholesale breaks of cocaine, and New York City was going for about 28,000, right? By April, that shit went to 50. So I took one brick, we made 10. January to July, I put about 2 million cash in my pocket. Yeah, it was crazy, man, I ain't got a lot. It was, that was a time that was, man, get ready. That's what we made the movie about. Today, I sat down with Polo Cisnetos, a former Coke dealer from New York City who made millions of dollars selling cocaine during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. From April, 2020 until the end of that year, the cocaine shortage in New York City and throughout the rest of the country was so severe that Kilo Price's shot up to $50,000, like it was the 1970s again. But lucky for Polo, he had a supplier who was still getting product in. And over the summer of 2020 alone, he made $2 million selling stepped on Kilo's throughout New York City. Wild. Polo has since gotten out of the game and become a filmmaker. In fact, he has a movie coming out about his life, a dissection of the dollar, which is releasing on June 11th on 2B. So make sure to hit the link in the description to sign up for alerts when it drops. And make sure to follow him on all socials where he puts up short films and documentaries. He's a very talented guy. All right, everyone, get ready to hear some game. It's Polo Cisnetos right here on the connect with Johnny Mitchell. [MUSIC PLAYING] What's up, everybody? Thanks so much for watching. As always, please smash that like button, drop a comment, subscribe to the channel, and turn on that alert bell. You know what to do. And just a quick little disclaimer before we get started, I went and re-watched this episode. I interrupted and talked over my guest a little more than I'm comfortable with. So I do apologize for that. It's just when my man Polo came in, it was like talking to a friend. I forgot the mics and the cameras were on. And we were just kind of chopping it up about game and about the drug game. And I just related very much to everything he said. So yeah, I wasn't as professional as I would have liked to have been. So anyways, you could just tell me how much I sock in the comments. But you know, I did my best. And you guys are going to love it. Go check out his movie, Go Follow Him. This is an incredible story. So I appreciate you guys. I appreciate every single one of you for tuning in every week. Enjoy. I'm going to give it a little bit, I'm going to give it to you like 27. So you can still make a couple of points, make him break it down. And I like, I didn't like all clients. I didn't want someone who, that says you're going to take the most. I just want someone who I can see who's moving responsible. That's it. So if you just, I'd rather take somebody who's consistently picking up one or two but some month, then someone who's taking ten, but who's, man, irrational. Right. They're doing too much. I don't want that attention in me. So my run was really more calculated. That's right. Steady. Steady. Yeah. And I had the flow. You got to have like, you got to have two flows. I looked at it like, you got to have like a overflow because that's what's going to keep you. That's like your low margins, but it's, you know, it's going to keep your flow going. Your whole sail flow. Yeah, because then you couldn't afford to have a, then a good connect is going to find you. Because if I'm, you know, if I'm only picking up one brick a month, I'm not going to get a better number. Right. If I have a whole sail flow, I'm going to outrun that connect and find the one that fits right. Right. Right. So I have my breakdown flow. It's crazy. Mm-hmm. I have, you know, a couple of little towns that I will, you know, a couple spots in Jersey that I just knew people there and I love that white market, though the weekend warrior market. Of course. The Wall Street client, the ones who want to pay more for the secrecy, more for like, they don't want a problem. The screen is, you know, the screen is, so I have like, our cats actually are like, like, local bar, little Apple Bs, you can find the construction worker crowd to work in crowd. Construction workers, they get out of work at 2.30, they go to the bar, they drink till 7.8. They might spend, you know, 200 hours a day and you catch a bartender who's someone smart. That's what I look for. I look for people who are smart. Right. Everyone wants to make a little bit of money. I'm not greedy. So I just say, yo, you couldn't take this and give me that. So, you know, if I make $1,000 a week off of this little bar, maybe $2,500 off, I feel like a bartender with a strip club, you know, a couple of direct clients that maybe they wanted to roll. And that roll price is $100,000. I'm moving 10, 20 grams, my margins are huge and it just consistently just adds up and I got the whole cell flow making five points on a brick, you know what I'm saying? Wow. That's great for just passing the brick off. It's good and bad because most, when you have work that's hit, you're usually going to front it out. So my thing was always like, I got to turn this brick over like three times with this customer until I'm even. So I'm always building in that loss because eventually I knew something was going to go wrong. And just I'm like, say, I think about like, I know what I'm doing. So let me save that money I'm making. So I know it. When I see if it's a year later, six months a year later, two years later, when that loss comes and that guy goes, damn man, some shit fucked up, something happened. It's not that it's all good. It's like, I'll be like, you know, that's your responsibility, but you still got your flow right? Is everything still safe? I'm going to give you more work. People look at me like, you crazy, this guy's lost the whole bird. It's all profit and just add a little bit of extra on instead of giving me back 33. You know, I'm going to give back 35 and work it off. It's all very easy to work, but I wasn't like an ego. I didn't come into this game. I'm not a tough guy. I'm not no, you know what I'm saying? Like, give me my money on my shoe. That's not my, I didn't play it that way. Far from a pussy, I never been wrong, but I did not carry myself in a way where it was like, you know, trying to come out for a rep, you know what I'm saying? That shit wasn't. Yeah. All I did when I first learned how to cut cocaine, which is like, I say the right way, like when I was on the 13, you know, with the, with the, with the comeback cut that called the Dominican, just called Masu Kama and that's it right there. You, the cut comes back because right when people buy a bird, they drop it. Yo, it didn't, it didn't lose any of it's raw. It's raw. You know, it's like, so when I learned how to use that type of cut, and you know, it was, I never thought I'd go broke because you saw, you know, you were in the game. You're one of these rare birds where you never did a bid. You were in the game for almost two decades and it's interesting because you saw the different arrows and the different cycles of drug use because cocaine, I believe, went out of favor. You know, somewhere between 2004 when you first got in and, you know, around the pandemic or shortly thereafter, Coke fell out of favor and wasn't moving as much, you know, in between, in between those years, fentanyl came much later, opioids became a huge thing. So you've kind of seen like the market go up and down. I mean, it's incredible. And you have this encycl, it's encyclopedic knowledge of kind of how drug dealing really works. Who'd you learn it from? You're Dominican? No, no. So I'm a little bit of everything. You know, Filipino, Spanish and Black, so just a little bit of everything. Boy. And you came up where? Where in New York? On the map, but I was raised in Jersey, actually, and I was always back and forth. You know, I used to be a barber. That's like the only real job I had. So, but when you learn the game, it's on, you got to pick it up, like you got to pick it up from different people because you know, it's going to really teach you. So you kind of just got to be cool and me and more is observant. So I like to watch cocaine was very steady for me throughout those years. It's just after COVID, that's when the cocaine market, I mean, I exited the game by that time already, but the cocaine market changed so much because it got flooded. Yeah, you were telling me that you said, like the streets almost don't even want to bother with Coke now because it's just the price is so low. Yeah, I said, like, you know, I'm been out the game for a while now, but you know, you still hear things. And you can see how the flow has changed and, you know, numbers have dropped drastically. And so when, you know, you got so much supply and demand is low, right? You know, it forced a lot of people to, you know, move differently. The only people that are surviving now is the people who got the good breakdown flows, right? Because there's so much wholesale out there, right? As far as like, um, how I learned it, I started out learning it, picture when you're younger, you know, you start selling weed, everyone starts out weed when they, when they're younger, you know what I mean? I always knew like, if you sell the weed in the area, I'm going to try to get it from someone else and put everyone around me on, you know what I'm saying? I mean, I don't smoke. I never really did no drugs. So that's not my thing. I just like make up money. So when I started cutting hair, you know, I met a lot of connects through that. I remember going, you know, and I was a type of person. Let's go. Let's go get it. And, you know, you buy, I'll just buy like, I don't. So 100 grams of the time. I'm a coke and I would, you know, bring that down, break it down, like everyone else does. So it, but then it's probably around 2000, like I said, 13, I had messing with them and they were like, asking me about the cut, like I told you the Masu and I didn't know how to use it. I just went with that. It's Arabic. I hit a store downtown man, like a smoke shop. They sell all the cut. So I'm in there and he's like, "This is my deal. "I try using it. "I ain't know how to work it." So I gave it to my boy that I had met through his cousin, I used to work in a barber shop way. He was from the Bronx. So I went up there and he's like, "No, let me see it. "I'll show you how to work it." Come to find out, he was getting charged $5 a gram for the Masu. This is back then when it was style kind of rare. - Wow. - So I had a connect for a dollar of a gram. I said, "Yo, fuck, I'll just keep giving it a roll." 'Cause at that time I was probably making maybe like, oh, maybe like 2000 a week off of the blow. Just breaking it down, $1,500 to $2,000. Plus I was still cutting hair a little bit. I was sounding a little bit less, a little bit lapped. But it changed when I really learned. He taught me to come to his crib in the Bronx and he showed me how to break down a whole brick of roar and repress it. And he only showed me that 'cause he's tried to sell me that brick and he beat up. And I was like, "Now, bro, that shit tussed. "I got the roar." I brought him some of my shit thinking I could get a give him a better number. And he was like, "Oh, so you're already getting a roar?" I'm like, "Yeah." So he's like, "Well, yo, look at this." And that's when he showed me, "Yo, I pressed it up." And my head, I'm thinking, "This muffle is trying to get me." But all good, let me see what he got. I stayed his house for two days. We pressed up like 10 joints. 'Cause he originally wanted me to work with him. He's like, "Bow, which I did in the beginning "to see if it would really work." He was like, "Yo, here, take these two joints, "get rid of them, come back." And we'll split the PC. And the cut is just a white chemical. Or a white, it's usually like a supplement that they cut coke with. It's not the innocent soul. 'Cause before that, if people use a nasty soul, you get from GNC. - Right. - People still use that for like the sniffers. But when you put it in water, you're gonna lose it. So this is something different. I don't know what the fuck it is. I mean, I don't know. I even went to it, but it just, the price on that came down so much. It was like, "Who cares? "Masoo, that's what they call it." - Right. - But so the way I learned, I saw how to do it, he will cook the Masoo separately. When you cook it, it crystallizes. When you take it out, when you take it off the heat and you throw acetone in it, it crystallizes. It looks like glass. And so we break that up. And the perfect mixture we had found was every, was you take 300 grams of coke out. We put 300 grams of cut in, you know. That's a lot of points right there, totally. So after I saw that, "Oh, this guy said it works." I was like, "Bro, I'm just, I'm gonna buy, "I'm already getting raw. "So let me just go in with you." And he was like, "Oh, cool." So he taught me, he did teach me something. I taught, I learned a lot of people by just watching them. And like he was first, I was like, "Yo, I don't like having work." 'Cause I made money, 'cause I can spend it. I like having work. 'Cause eventually, in all them years, maybe like two or three times a year. Maybe two or three times a year, I would see all my money. Because there'll be a little drought for like a month, two months. - Right. - And that's when you can up the number. So you always gotta have, that's why I like consistent clients, 'cause if I got three clients, and they all taking one to two breaks a month, I can plan ahead. I don't need no more clients, you know what I mean? And I got my breakdown flowing. So that's how you would see your money, right? - Right. - So he taught, he did taught teach me that. Just make sure you have work. Just have a little bit of money to pay the bills, lawyer just in case, take care of the families. Then they're my family man, you know? I wasn't outside doing stupid shit. You wasn't gonna see me on the block hanging out. You wasn't gonna ever see me with a gun. If I had to go to a gun somewhere, I was not going. - Yeah. - Fuckin' my gun somewhere, if I'm not a gun. - Of course. - I mean, maybe one or two times when it's like, some shit you can't avoid. But God willing for me, I just was cool man. I ain't, you know, I just, I just like doing business. - So you found this mix that was stepped on quite a bit. You know, you're stepping on a whole third of a brick when you take out 300 grams. But why were your customers loving it so much? Because it was still good. And then they could get it off to like their crack dealers. Or who were your customers? How were they mainly getting off their work if it was already cut by at least a third? - Alright, so most of the time raw coke wasn't like the easiest thing to come by until like, it's like, you have to know a lane for that, right? She's different now, but, like I said, it's everywhere, it's flooded. But during most Jodo times, like, that work was so, it was raw. So when you cut it a third, it was still good enough for the street. You couldn't cut it again, but it was good enough. You know what I mean? Sometimes I'd have to put a little less cut just to know the market, but it was good. 'Cause most of the time people don't know. Go cocaine and baggo cocaine. - Definitely. - You know what I mean? They don't know what the fuck they sniffing. So it's like, and even when you're cooking it, you can tell, but, you know, it's here and it's consistently here. So that's why you'll just make it work. 'Cause most of the time you get out there as garbage anyway. - Yeah. So your connect had to be really good. The person hitting you off with raw, that had to be 90% pure. - Yeah, if you were gonna put 300 on it. - Yeah, yeah. Most of the time it's always really good. I never had just one connect. - Who were your connects? - I had like two or three connects I met over the years. I don't know, solid people. Are these Dominican guys? Black guys? - Oh, everything, everything under the sun. You know, sometimes you get worked from, I look like just two ways to get worked. But eventually, yeah, it comes through the Caribbean. DR, PR, it comes here, or you get it from the West. You get it from the Maxx outwards, right? So, like, it doesn't have the coverage. When it comes through, Mexico is always better. 'Cause if it comes to PR and DR, they don't touch it over there. Y'all don't play with it over there, yeah, no. You know what I'm saying? You gotta be compressed it too much. - Right. - And then it's one, but when you get it from the Mexico side, it's some big, fluffy joints. - Yeah. - That's just beautiful. - That's because they have other drugs that they make money from. So, they don't have to make as much money on Coke so they can send more of it and it's better. - I think the making guys, the Puerto Ricans, all they have is Coke. - I felt like, so they have to touch it more. They feel like they have to touch it more. - I felt like with the Mexicans was more like, there wasn't, there was more discipline. Like, they couldn't pick and choose. I'ma just press this song 'cause someone's gonna get in trouble. It was a small part in time when I had a Mexican I knew. I don't know if he was a cut, sell, press, none like that, but it was like almost to the point where I was there. I'd rather just, I don't know, good bro. Like, that shit was a little bit, for me, I'm not trying to take it to that level. I'ma go back with the Dominicans or whoever I can just buy it, buy it from cash. - Do the wholesalers in New York, at least at this time, do they seem to be mostly Dominicans? You know, Dominicans, man, they go hard. They gotta, they gotta grip on a lot, man. You know, so why is that? Is that just because they have the most people willing to push it to that limit? Or do they have a special connection with the Puerto Ricans who have the route bringing it in for Puerto Rico? 'Cause Puerto Rico, if you get your bricks to Puerto Rico, they say they have a way better chance of making it to the States because the cargo ships, they don't check 'em as thoroughly because they're domestic, they're not international. So, do you know why the Dominicans tend to be the, the big wholesalers in the New York area? - Man, that's like asking what can't you first, the chicken and the egg, you know, it's, it's um, it's whatever, I feel like if I learn anything, the game is whatever goes, as long as you can figure it out. So, I met some people in Puerto Ricans, that was fires, the Dominicans, I met some brothers that was, you know, had it, it's just, however you get it, you gotta just know what you're buying, number one. Don't get played, and yeah, definitely the ones in Mexico was fire, like the only time I went in 2015, I have bought some land in Colorado to do the marijuana grow. Didn't really work out, we had 50 acres, we bought in Yoder, Colorado, you can look that up, Yoder, Colorado, that shit is the middle of nowhere. Like, that shit, I saw a line of the subway over there. Only the time I like you see a line of the subway on the Friday, and I can say nothing else out there. So, I'm over here, I'm really thinking, I'm gonna get smoked out here, I'm like, yo, this is crazy, I'm gonna get cowboys, I'm gonna kill my ass, but we out there, we had 50 acres, right? We had to build telephone poles, all that shit, 'cause it was not easy to roll land, but straight out there, it had two grows, but the pick partners were greedy. The neighbors next to us with these Mexicans, cool as fuck. They had 300 acres, they had excavators, so the one of the people was building up, I think he borrowed one of the machines, so I'm over there chopping it up over here, talking with him, and that's fun, I'm being him got close, you know what I'm saying? And he was like, we were just chilling, maybe one or two times hanging out, we'd go out to the clothes, whatever, and we just got cool and he's gonna come out to Houston with me. All right, well, I'm not thinking nothing of it, you know what I'm saying, I go out to Houston, I'm like, yo, what should I stay at, you know what I mean? I'm gonna get a hotel, no one will pick you up. I was a little like, I don't know, but my curiosity got the best to me, it was fine. Went out there, took me to his house at a big ass crib, he was chilling, and you know, I never been in strip club that long, my whole life, we there for 11 hours, and that's where he did his business at. Everyone came through, talked, and they was kind of like, you know, telling me what's up, and I'm like, I'm thinking, yeah, I've heard there's a lot of time, like you'll get you whatever you want. Ah, yeah, whatever, nah, like, sorry, like when I got there, we was talking, I had to give my ID and everything too, when we were about this crib, we were talking and just that, and then I'm thinking whatever, I think it was something, you know, like two weeks later, somebody was in my door, and I was like, oh, these guy wasn't playing. - Wow. - Yeah. - Wow, what did they send you? - Give me 20 joints. - Wow. - Yeah. - 20 bricks of coke. - Yeah, yeah. - And they sent to New Jersey. - Nice. - Or to your Spartan Colorado. - No, it's to Jersey, to my place in Jersey, but it was just someone knocking in my door to bag, go ahead and I was like, oh, it wasn't playing. And he's like, oh, I told you. And the number was so good, it like scared me a little bit. I was like, oh, it was like, it was 22, 5, the number. And at that time, shit was like in the 30s. - Right. - So I'm like, yo, what the fuck? And I'm like, how do you buy, you know? And it was blew my mind, so he gave me an email. And he was like, yo, when you go on the email, go to the draft and type anything, don't send it. And he's like, yo, we'll come back and get the bread. - Yeah. - But for me, it was, it was like, that was it. That's what I just put one point on it. Galburium joints. All right, I gave it to him, thinking I'm gonna have to call him for another one. No, you know, they just sent another one. So you only, why'd you only make a point off that? Why didn't you, if you had the pay, I want to pay him the money. So you wanted to get it to him fast. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I already tell someone, give me that many, that's 20,000, if I'm making one point every break, you give me 20,000, that's 20,000, so, right. And now you just made all this new clientele. Oh, no, hell not, I just saw the people. I don't, is they about making new clients? But you help when you can give your people work that good at that generous ticket. I gave it to a one person. I gave it to two people. Most of the people were giving me the code. I'll show it to them. - Okay, okay, okay. So they just gave that every cartel story is the same. That's how I know you're telling the truth is because it all starts with a knock at the door and some tiny little indigenous Mexican guy, like DoorDash, dropping you off, fronted work. - But this guy looked like he was white. I ain't go lie, he looked like the Mexico City ones. - I'm just racist, sorry. - He was looking like one of them, 'cause when you go to Mexico, it's like, you have, I don't know where the ones where we see the most times, is the ones, you know what I mean? - Right. - Or like, looking one way, but then you go, it's like Mexico City and they look like you're a peon. - Did you know where the organization was that your man from Houston was working with? What part of Mexico is it now? - Now, I didn't ask. - I didn't ask no questions. - It was cool. RG was cool as hell. Me and him was just kind of cool as shit, but he just, you know, what he did. So I tried to ask as least questions possible. So he gave me two loads that way, and then we had to go back to Colorado, we were kicking it. - Right. - So I can, and then, you know, he'd be around his people, it was a lot, and I just kinda saw how like, they did business a little bit, and that's why my thing with them, that as honest with you, I came to this game to make money. I'm not trying to be no gangster and I'm like that. So like, I always had a feeling they was gonna ask me to do something that I didn't wanna do. I didn't come in this game to do, and I feel like if they asked me that, what am I gonna say no at that time? 'Cause they already know we live, and they got a wife, they got a kid at the time, you know what I mean? A wife of time, that's my daughter's living with me. - So you were bringing them 450 grand back to Colorado? - No, they would pick the money up right from me. Same way, they drop it off, so I would just come pick it up. I had to go to Colorado for the weeks of, I was still doing it. And me and him would kick it all the time, I'd come to Houston, hard because he loved the part. And dude was just like, he loved the fucking part. So we'd chill in, but then I'd be with him, and he'd be, you know, like, yo, what's up, what's good? And he'd be like, nah, it's a problem over here. And I try not to be here, you know what I don't, I don't even speak no evil, but I just had that feeling like, you know what? These guys are gonna ask me to do something. Something, 'cause one time they asked me, yo, can you hold something for someone? And I'm like, I didn't wanna do that shit, but in my head, I was like, they gave me that look, I you hold this, someone, I'm like, somebody's head. No, it was in my spot. No, it was work, it was some work for someone, but I was like, I don't wanna, my thing, I don't like getting caught in other people's webs, right? If I'm doing what I'm doing, you could only, you could only plan for so much, but it's like a whole other person comes to you, you pick up a whole new client, I really thought a lot about that, 'cause like, when you open a door, you don't know what's coming through that door, so I was very selective in my whole time. It's like, I just passed on a lot of money. But I also look at it like I passed on a lot of time that way, 'cause that is the smartest way to move. Almost nobody can do it, including myself, when I was in the game, I could never pass on money, and that's the problem, it's not all money, it's good money, especially on the dope game. So you felt like these guys were gonna ask you to be on some murder shit, or. Whatever they were, I always trust my gut. I always trust my gut, and thank God our gym meeting was mad, cool, I was like, yo, I'm about to do, he knew I was flippin' home. He was like, yo, I'm about to just go doin' that, and then he was just laughing at me. Like, man, you're gonna come back, you're gonna come back. And, I mean, I was still doing my thing, but I just didn't let him know that, you know what I mean? - So you're the height of your run, almost 20 years, is in those, the teens, where you figured out how to press coke. Tell us about the pressin' it up, tell us about, you know, how you grew your business, and how you laundered your money. It's fascinating. - All right, so when you break it up, a break is not that hard. Like, let's say I'll get, I'll keep it simple. Let's all get one break, I don't wanna make it. And so, you know, I wanna stretch it. So I'll take the 300 grams out, I'll grind that up. Not like, super fine, but I'll mash it up good, put it through a sifter, and then I'll mix in, I'll probably keep 100 out of the, let's say 700 grams I got, I'll keep that like 100 of that to the side. And I'll mix in the cut with the other six, now I got nine mixed up. You get the box, I have my boxes custom made, so they're all aluminum, and they've come together. I'll put that together. And I'll, you little ass, I just like makes the ass tone and paint it in a little bit. You put this special paper, like crap out paper, they call it, give it the wrinkles on the side. Little tip, y'all can use a white beater too, take a white beater, put it at the bottom of the box, wet it up a little bit, a little bit, you don't want too much ass to tone, good burn it, a little bit. And I'll put a layer, push it down with a spoon, you know. And paint thinner, what is that doing? Paint thinner, and ass to make it together to evaporate so much, because you need something to bind it. After you make the layers, right, then on the top, I'll pick whatever stamp I want, I'll make my own stamps. I'll put them in shark stamps to bend the signs, whatever you want. What do you do with the 100 grams extra? I'll sprinkle that on after I put it in between each layer. As well where you get some fake fish scale, and I'll put that in there too. So, and then you, and then also put the holes on the side. That section of the dollar to move, you see it in there, I recreated the scene. What is that about, holes in the side? A lot of times you get the bricks and you get the joints, I'll have like holes in the side. I don't know why, a lot of times I have like little holes in the side, you might even get it, they might have like a little bit of dirt in them from processing them. They'd be wrapped in rubber crazy, you know, you have a brick. So, I used to recreated all that. We used to get rubber balloons, wrap it up, those from dirt in there, coffee to make that shit look. But I never lied to them. I always told people, go, I hit them. I had partners in my who didn't do it. They would be lying to people and they should have come back to them. I always thought like, the truth, no matter who I'm dealing with, if you're dealing with someone who rail, you can only respect the truth. So, I'm telling you, I hit this shit. But what is the point of recreating a brick like it just came over from across the border? What is the point of recreating that that's marketing? That's just like a marketing gimmick. What is the point of being honest if you're marketing, which is lying? I'm being honest to you. I want you to go and do it. Okay, what you do, once you ain't going to have no problem with me. Right. I'll deal with a lot of real people, but I'm a real person myself. Meaning, real is true to myself. Well, a lot of people I deal with, they do the same way, but they take it in a different way. And you a lot of someone give me a word. Like, they have my man in trance, what's wrong? We had this song and he was like, "Yo, the shit fucked up." You know what I mean? And I was like, "Go here, I can get back all this cash." I took the work, I reworked it. I gave it back to him, he was like, "Give it up some real shit." Huh, huh. So, and what is your profit margin like that? Like a normal month, you know, when you're just not dealing with the Mexican connects, when you're just dealing with, you know, connects in New York, what do you take off of that kind of money? Do you see profit wise? Profit wise, say you run around like 20 to 20 to 30,000 a month. That's after you get your real money back. And that brick that I'm breaking down might take a little bit longer than a month to come back, but some a little bit faster, but yeah, it's a consistently, you could run it to 20 to 25,000 a month, profit, clean, which, you know, when you break it down, it's not that much money. And so it's really about what you save it. And you might have a good month, you make a little extra. So that's just, it's almost like, that's how I live it. You know, you make a couple hundred thousand a year, but we all got families, you know, I wasn't really doing too much stupid shit. Yeah, I like to live nice plays, nice cars. Like, you know, nothing crazy. I wasn't having no lambo's off of that. I had, you know, me, bands in the beamer, you know, my daughters in private school, you know, white home telling, you know what I mean? I'm just, my favorite thing about that was that I had it afforded me the time to be with my daughter. You know, I love being a father. So it afforded the, and now no joke. Having my daughter kept me alive at least three times, 'cause otherwise I would have been, or one, and then other time could have got locked up, 'cause it just, I would have been there if it wasn't the fact that all got my daughter's soccer game. I got this, you know what I mean? So I would look at like, what's the use of money if you not? That's why I never really got into the dope game, 'cause it was like, Aaron, I feel like it brings you back omens. And number two, it's like, you can't do that alone. You can't, you can't, the way I saw Coke alone, you could do it alone, you could cut it up, so you could put it out there with dope. You need a whole table, you need a crew and someone's dying in that game. So for me, the Coke was easy. - Talk about heroin. - Why, because you, you need a whole team, 'cause it's so strong, and it takes so many people to cut it up and giving out. Yeah, it takes a lot to make them little bags. You know, it takes a lot of time to me. It's a full-time job. People will have a table just packing little bags and then they just distribute it in that and the way it works now in that game is like people will front a lot of it. They'll be like, "Yo, here, take, you know, two, three hundred bricks and not like the big brick. I'm talking like the package, like the bundles. Take take these, you know what I mean?" And then if it doesn't work or doesn't pop off, they'll give it back and I'll rework them. Right. And when I saw all that stuff. And number one, someone's always dying in that game. I didn't like it. It wasn't for me. It wasn't. I didn't learn that game like that, you know. They're getting killed or overdosed in here. Both. I think death brings more death. Same thing, violence brings more violence. That's why I never really like to play it that way. Right. I've had times when, you know, a situation got like, even where it wasn't for me, like that situation where I got too much. I had a couple spots out of town. You know, people try to compress that spot or you've got to pay this. Nah, I'll just close up shop or go somewhere else. Yeah. Well, I'm not like, I'm not into this to have no ego and no name. And especially if I know she's getting hot, I'm getting the fuck out of there. I got money saved up. I can just chill, lay low for a couple months if I had to. Yeah. I always thought about like a businessman, you know. It's never worth. Violence is never worth it. I'll just leave and go somewhere else. If you have the best product with the lowest price, there is never a reason to be violent. Look, drugs, drugs sell themselves. That's it. There's something that I always call myself into because like, are you a real hustler? Because drugs sell themselves for the most part. Everything else is the hard part, the logistics. How do you not get caught? You know, when you, when you're really doing it, when I really don't, I had two cars with just for stashed cars. I had all three storage units. I had a parking garage, probably just constantly moving stuff around. I had two apartments just to one for hit work and one without keeping, you know, some more of that. So you had to, it's, I invest my own money into my operation. Security. Yeah. So you want to make sure everything is separate. You know, I have a car. If I'm going certain, what's one, I'm not even going to bring that car over here. I'm going to make sure it stays over there. And it's like, how are you going to register that car? How are you going to push the name, you're going to put it in? Who's the name, you're going to get this apartment in? It's a lot to it. That's why like logistics is a big, um, I'm, I'm goody. You know, I, and that's honestly the part I like figuring it out that way, you know, that you just could have been drugs. It could have been something else. It could have be the films and moves we make it, you know, could be a lot of things. It's just making sure you want to copy your business. And, um, would you think about the worst case scenario when you were plotting out how you were going to, your chest moves? Would you think about, okay, if the cops hit this and won't leave me, it won't leave them to this. If I get locked up, they won't get, did you think like that? Or did you, did you try not to think about the worst case scenario? Because you're putting it out there, you're manifesting it. No, no, I'm not manifesting it, but I'm always real, I'm a realist, you know, like, you can only do the best you can do. It's like this, right? When you first get into the game, let's say you got like a couple of joints in your car, you drive it. You might be nervous. Like, oh, fuck, I got some shit, you know what I mean? Yeah. But eventually, if you don't learn how to manage that pressure without destroying you because that pressure is there all the time. It's just how do you handle it? Right? I got to accept, I got to know, I did the most I can prepare for, but it could go left. You know, it could, I could be sitting. So let me make sure I don't have more than I can sit with. If I can't deal with the consequences of my actions, I'm not going to do it. That's the same reason why I got out the game because I realized I'm not willing to no longer take these chances. So that means I can't be in the game because that, what's that mean? I'm never going to snitch. So it's like, but I'm never going to put myself in a position if I'm not willing to accept the consequences of it. Would you, you said that you said that you would only keep like five kilos at a time because then you knew, all right, if I get locked up, it's only going to be so many points. Right? Like you tried to say under the mandatory minimums. Yeah, under the mandatory minimum, but I really had to serve more than five breaks ever. Maybe only during COVID, it got a little crazy, but even then I'll do it differently. I'll always make them give me the money first, right? Someone told me like, yo, no one gives, he's like, the fair is no one, they won't give up the money. So marks money. Yeah, someone, someone they won't give up the money. So I was like, if I wasn't sure, like, let's say me and you were cool, right? And you bring me a deal. I don't want to meet your man. That's your man. You make the money. I don't want to get extra points. If you don't trust you, then I'm not going to serve you that shit because that means that's your man don't even trust you, that don't make sense to me. Or if you trying to fill someone out, I get it. It's in the beginning, trying to fill them out, make them give you the money, make them give you the money and leave, which is how to come back in the morning. And if you wouldn't do that, I'll just, no, it's ain't worth it. Because if he's working with the feds and they got, they're not going to let a C.I. Just take $30,000 worth of their money and go run off with it. That's super interesting. That's what I was told. That's what I told. I told, somehow the feds might do it might not, but I don't stay police. Local police never will. So that's what I was told. That's something, that was one rule, someone else told me a rule, like, yo, don't ever break more than one rule at a time. And I always like that. Because you're going to have to break some of your rules. Yeah, you got to break. You ride in dirty, put that fucking seat belt on, see what that, you know, and don't keep the money where you keep the work at. Right. You know, don't be like after I bagged everything up, I took time to vacuum seal all my shit. I don't even know if they, if it worked, but I did it just to make my own self feel. Right. That's when you ride it, when you're driving the pits, burger, you're driving the, you know, PA, South Jersey, you know, North Carolina, you're driving in these places, you want to feel like you, if I'm going somewhere, I'm going there for what? I'm going to hang out, have a good time. I don't get what's what I'm really doing there, but in my head, when I'm on that fucking road, that's what I'm doing. I just have to drive from fucking Colorado sometimes, when I, when the logistics wouldn't work out, in Colorado, I'll drive to Vegas. And from Vegas, there was a, there was a, this was 2015-20, there was a company called Jet Smarter. You ever heard of it? Uh-huh. So Jet Smarter is a lease out private jet, so they give you like a jet car time. Bro, that shit was crazy in the beginning. But their jets didn't leave from it, but they would leave from Vegas. So Colorado wasn't that far from Vegas. Well, a couple of times I had to take a trip. I did that two times. That shit was a lot. I was like 13, 14 hours straight. You're dropping off work in Vegas? No, I had a couple of deals where I had just, something that came up where I just needed to get something back. And that's how I didn't trust the mail that much. And definitely wasn't the mail not a Yoda Colorado. They have one post office on the head with that. Yeah. So I was, I'm just gonna, then I had the Jet Smarter because, you know, I just figured, fuck it, why not? Let me just do it, try it out. Yeah. And as you were smooth until one time, I think it just got too, they got too much. I'm going to land in the West to airport. I thought I thought they was there for me. They was there for someone else on the flight. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. They got him with a whole bunch of cash. The D. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Some fans. Yeah. They had someone out there, but they were bringing shit back on the Jet Spark. I didn't have to bring work. What's on how to brought some guns back for someone I traded to. They wanted some guns and the sky just had them right there. So I was like, all right, fuck it. Let me get that. You know, I traded them the guns for something else. So did you were driving always, you always drove your own work. Yeah. Wow. I don't like people knowing my business. Yeah. Sure. Because I like moving along because only I worry about me. Yeah. Even when I was going somewhere, I would text people totally different shit. I have so many different names because if I know you and you know me as this and you know me as that, that means I should never hear nothing between the both of you. I always kept everything separate. And your dealers, you each had a cell phone just for you and you got it right for the wholesale. Yeah. Right. I wasn't really worried too much for I had a cell phone just for the breakdown, but right. I wasn't really worried about that. My thing with that was like making sure they made sure they got good quality. I didn't over those because they were people like working people not in the five jobs. But for everyone else, yeah, I made sure we had you had a phone, I had a phone. Yeah. So you have your press up game where you're, you know, making a nice little 25k a month, just pressing up bricks and with the with the cut and moving those to dealers in New York. Where were your your breakdown game? The little towns that you used to flip your retail. Tell us about that. Yeah. So me, I love college towns. I love like Rutgers and New Brunswick. Yeah. Um, Stockton down in South Jersey. Jersey Shore was fired during the summer. You know, I may make 30 grand and through through the whole summer time of a one person down there. Yeah. I liked Johnson and Wales and Rhode Island. Austin, BU. I should with West Virginia. The frat homes in West Virginia. Yeah. I'm sure it was crazy. I had a, there was a town of Outer Banks, North Carolina had a fisherman out there. He was crazy. He nothing but russians out there. I don't know what they own was part of is a lot of big sort of, but it's the Outer Banks. Yeah. Yeah. I was getting in Outer Banks. That she was good. I was selling grams out there for 80, wholesale. You know, I'm not even going to hold that. Tim might take 200 grams. I'm selling two over 80. Right. Right. That's some money right there. Two guys that's already flipping them. You're not selling them to a dealer at 80 a gram. Yeah. That's why I knew him. I'm a man through someone who went to cooking school with him. Then with the CIA, you know, the colored Institute of America in New York, they went to cooking school there. You get it. See, my base is all so many people like drugs. It's like you never know. So my thing is, I'm, I'm easy to work with. People want something. Yo, you got someone who got this and then you just got to work it. Yeah. Once I give you something good and you trust me. Yeah. And I go here, just getting back the money for that later. People come back and you know, I made $5,000 of what you gave me. I can't believe it. Yeah. All right. Cool. I told you it was going to work. Give me that. But here's take it again. Right. I would just almost make sure they didn't get ahead of themselves. Right. You know, and you're given out like just ounces at a time or how much are you giving these? I didn't we sold a bunch. I used to sell about like the breakdowns. I got 50 grams or 100 grams at a time. Or if I had to bag, some people would lie, I had his kid in Jersey, sure, right? He didn't like to get it like that. He like to get it bagged out. So I had to charge him more. I just bag it out to like, you know, point nice. You could get out to him like that. And what's your profit margin? Like if you're selling a guy in Jersey, say 100 grams, what's, what are you charging him and what are you paying off for each of those grams? Well, after I cut it, you'd think of my price, even if it was like, my price margins probably like $15, $16,000 a gram, but that's not there. Cutting it, if I'm charging him 40, insane. You know, you're over doubling it. Yeah. And plus you, this is this is, this is cookie cut. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you have 1,300 grams to sell off of a kilo. Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So you have a whole extra brick. If you're buying five birds at a time. Yeah, it's like an extra whatever. So $370,000 if $3,000 you make. If three turns to five, those two bricks of your profit. That's it. You know, I had one cut, I had one or two customers down. They were Wall Street. I just tried them 150 year grand. They wouldn't buy that much, but they were by like, I bet you got about me 10, 1500 out of row. You know, every time. Yeah, but that right there only cost me like, you know, $350. Because they bought it 10, right? But they know it was going to be that. Right, but they liked it. And they liked the Wall Street guys like the best coping, yeah. You liked it, right? He lived around Gold Street at a big-ass apartment there. He used to hit me up for that. E, Molly, with all that shit. Another quick tip right here when that fucking Molly was coming in. We made a wild money on that. Everyone thought that she was Molly, that crystal shit. That shit is not Molly. That shit was coming from China. I've seen that shit. My boy brought him in. He bought like seven keys. I think like $7,000. I remember selling them each one of them. She's about $25,000. Kilos, because it's synthetic, whatever that synthetic stuff, right? I've taken those. The crystal Molly. That's no good though. It's meth alone. It's like meth, something of meth, something like that. It does, it maybe tweaked out a little bit. Like it made me feel great, but I had the Coke jaw like sore teeth and it makes you grind a little bit. So you're saying that's not the real Molly, from the Netherlands or wherever, right? Yeah, that's what you get the good. So I had someone else who'd big into the house scene, we used to get mad money at Pasha. I don't know if you remember his club downtown in my hand. Pasha. That's big. I went to the one in Buenos Aires, Argentina. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So first time I ever did Coke, was in Argentina at Pasha, Pasha they call it. Yeah, that shit was crazy and we got a lot of money. But he was big into that scene, so he used to get his shit from Germany, he used to like to do it, right? And he's going to talk to me like, no, I didn't even fucking Molly get that shit out of here. He was showing me the real shit and that's what I learned from him. Wow. Like, can you get that in quantity in the United States or does it just come like small pieces? I don't know. That was something we never really, like he liked that for his personal shit, but he's to sell, you know, some blow from me out there in Pasha and shit like that and some clubs. K, K was like a big market for them. I didn't get into that, but I didn't know what that was, right? Well, I know he used to do a lot, he used to sell a lot of that shit too. Wow. So you got your hands in a couple of different pots. Yeah. Everything had like a run, you know, but the most consistent for me over the years was a coke. Of course. And then it all came to a head during COVID, like, you know, I mean, it was, yeah, it was, it was, it was crazy. I didn't go a lot. It was on. That was, that was a time that was, man, get ready. Yeah. So COVID is where you and a lot of hustlers made a lot of money very quickly because the supply just, yeah, it was on shrunk overnight. Let me put it like this, COVID, right? 2020. It was that January 2020, figured December, 2019, wholesale rates of cocaine in New York City was going for about 28,000, right? By April, that shit went to 50, 45, 50,000. Yeah. So when that shit first started coming, I had about five joints, right? For my regular customers, right? I wasn't greedy. I wasn't crazy. But then it's like, damn, I really can't get no work. But then the people who had work, because someone had people with people had a couple of breaks here and there. Right. Yo, can we cut the, how much can we cut this off? Because people was starving. Yeah. People was like, yo, starving. Mm-hmm. So me and my man was like, fuck, let's just hit him one time and then they should have go back to normal. Let's get some dollars, you know? Right. I'd go say, grind me shit. But if I'm telling you the Coke was garbage, they know now they can say I lied to him. Right. I said the Coke is garbage. But the customers was, you know, right? But there's none of it. So none of it. None of it. So I took one brick, we made 10 out of one. So it's 10% coke, 90% cut. Even with the comeback cut, even with the Masu, that shit really wasn't getting hard. It was coming like a gel, you know what I'm saying? And are you selling that wholesale? Yeah, wholesale debt. Okay. So then what do you sell a 10% Coke brick for? I sold them for 30. 30. And how much did you paid for that brick? We paid 50,000. Oh, it was my partner. He had it. He got it for 50. Okay. We made, you know, or 40, 45, I think, a 45, so, you know, we made $300,000 off of one key wholesale. Yeah. It was fucking crazy. Yeah. Went to the jewel. It went to the jewel of the blue bag after that. Immediately, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're a little bag. But then after that happened, people started, all right. So we got American planes and shit. And I went up to y'all and make it better. And I didn't lie to no one. I said, look, if you're taking this as a one way street, we'll make it better, right? Okay. Calm down. We're getting a couple more brick numbers. It's still expensive. So instead of taking three, turning them to the five, three was coming to six. They were turning to six. And people were asking me, yo, can you, remember people bring a 10, 15 bricks. Big cement mixers. The cement. That's how we was cutting the cook. We was putting 10 bricks in at a time with 10 keys of cut, turning it up and that fucking cement mixer, acid stone, acid stone, we were pulling them out. So we looked like like paste and shit. And we just put them in the press like that. That's how busy it was. Yeah. Yeah, we had a multi, my boy had a multi family in the Bronx, man. We had a whole top floor, man, that shit was fucking with the big ass cement mixer that you see on construction. Not like the, I guess you could say it was a plastic bucket, but it was like made of portable ones. Right. I remember going to, what's that, not home depot, but lows. Now, one of them, other one, Harbor Freight, Harbor Freight would get you whatever you need to get the whole trap. You get the A frame press. That's a good one. You can get the car, the car, you know, the three-toned jacks, you need them to press it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get you right. Yeah. So, um, that was, yo, so figure, let's say January to July, January to July. You just feasted. I did about, I put about 2 million cash in my pocket. Profit. Yeah. Wow. So you, your man was able to get joints in and your people were just couldn't sell it fast enough because there was just no competition. We was getting up for everyone. Like, you know, I had, it was like, people knew we pressed up joints, right? And we were trustworthy because people would be like, yo, say you gave me a brick and you want me to press it up. I would charge you $500 to do that normally. Just if it's convenient for me, and I know you, and you give me a cut in the work, but now it's different. So it's like, yo, you want me to press them up. You got to give me one of those, you know, man, you got to give me one of the ones I'm pressing up. Wow. Or I'm going to charge you more. It's not even my time because it was on my birthday. I remember pressing all day. Wow. Like, that whole year was like crazy, but the peak time in that year was from that January, or you could even say March, March to July, when things were like, completely shut down, especially in New York. Like everything, nothing was open, not even like outdoors. Remember the time you had the black lives matter? Yeah. Cops didn't give a fuck. Right. No. Everyone was inside. No one was afraid to go out. Yeah. I was up and down. Man, I had 15 minutes. I go from fucking into Chinatown 15 minutes and back home. No, it was beautiful. No traffic. No. You could kill whoever you want. The murder rate shot up to like early 90s numbers in New York. I remember pulling off. It was beautiful. It just closed actually the BBQs in the Bronx, when things started opening up and letting people outside and they had, they let you drink out, like, they didn't give a fuck. They would let you drink outside. I think salsa called Fuego's did that, but that block where it's at. I've been there. Yo, I tell you right now, it was like, I had a, I was one of the first people who had of the MA 50s competition convertibles, right, thinking I'm doing it. I saw about seven Lambo's and my clamoring, this year I was like, yo, I was, I wasn't around, you know, I was born in '86, but I can only imagine my, and all my people was all older to me. All my partners, my sweet spot was a lot of these guys did a lot of time who came home. I was supposed to be, you know, I used to meet them through someone I knew and that's who my clients were. Right. They was in the feds for so long. They had so many clients. So all my people was like that, you know, 50s and plus age. So that's how they were so connected because they did all this fed time with all these other drug dealers. And me, I just made it so convenient for everyone because no one wants to go back to jail and I was, I was never one of dumb shit. So it was like, yo, I got you. Right. So we was just blowing like up there in the Bronx. It looked like paid in full, maybe five. It was. So cats are getting money and the way that it sounds like the way that you were able to keep your supply up, because demand is now greater than supply, you, is that you knew how to press. And so you would get all these other people, you kind of were able to amalgamate all of these different sources for Coke and then that's how you kept your own supply up because you would press for other people and then get to keep work as payment. And I had people, there was a lot of people here who had connects, a lot of the things I knew who had connects in Cali, they was taking flights. I mean, shit. On any flight, I mean, you could imagine like flying in with work, no the cash, but they fly and they just, sometimes they drive it back or I've seen them, you know, mail is still super, you know what I mean, but I mean, obviously people packing at $600,000 a million, going to Cali, going to see they connect, be cash and then bring it back just on like a commercial flight. But they wouldn't, the cash yet, no problem, you know, it's easy to bring cash, but for the fucking work, I don't know how to drive it back, whatever they would do, but they would make an end points. They would make it, because they've still getting work in Cali cheaper. I didn't know I never went out there for like, like, they told me they're still getting it out there for like 30, coming back here, some of 45, 40, making 10, 10,000 each joint. Everybody, all the customers, all the society has free money that they've just been given. Yeah. Yeah. It was free money, them loan scammers, I mean, I was making my own money time, so I never got into that. I was never a scammer. I didn't even understand how it works, but the ones who figured it out, yo, these guys was, those are the ones, like, they might have taken home $5 million. Yeah. Yeah. Because they would, I mean, I think a lot of them got caught because of the names and the paperwork. Yeah. It was, um, it was a time, I can't, I can't, everything I think about it, like, I didn't take you for granted. I knew that shit was coming to end too. Uh-huh. That's why I let go a lot of my breakdown flow, because I didn't give a fuck. I'll make it so much more and so, but I'm having to count one time, like $850,000. And that's a lot of money for me. I know it's, I'm not no big time guy, but for me, that was big time. And I remember sitting there, I'm like, fuck, you gotta organize all the singles, the five, 10s, you put it through the machine, fuck, I'm like, yo, this shit took all day. Wow. I remember sitting there and being like, yo, this is never going to be as good. Incredible. But it also kind of got me thinking like, that's what a lot of people didn't get. I'm like, yo, this is coming to an end. But what I fucked up was what I'm going to tell you how I fucked up. So around, probably like November, December of 2020, things are still going good, slowing down a little bit. Numbers are coming down a little bit. They're like 35. I'm like, I get a chance, like, yo, we want to buy like 20, we can get them for like 30. I say, okay, so I put out the money to buy them, right? Do you have 500 grand of real money? Yeah, so I, you know, I had money, so I mean, so yeah, no problem, I'll buy it. But now, the thing that felt we hit all the work already, one to one, you know what I'm saying? We took that, we took one to one. Now, the prices started coming down so rapidly in 2021. And the work was coming in so fast that like, I'd say around, let's say like, I'd say April, I still had the numbers was in the 20s already. And it was raw. I was losing customers, losing food when I had all those work that was pressed up that wasn't moving. So I had to continuously buy. I spent over about $200, $300,000, my own money just buying, trying to even out the number to break even. So you'd have to buy more Coke just to repress the bad Coke that wasn't selling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's what I said. I'm done. I said, it's not even worth it for me, no more. Wow. So I stepped, I stepped away, you know. So you lost on that whole buy of those 20 keys? No, I mean, we got rid of it, but it was, it wasn't a profit, and it was a process. That same so much, so much work, the cops came back, so strong, the fans came, the people was getting locked up crazy, a lot of weird, she was going on and I just said, yo, this said, I had a feeling one day, no, this is not for me, you know what I mean? This shit right there was, was not for me, and yeah, then I just had to start figuring out right. Life is like a civilian, you know? Is that all that it took was just one day you said, I don't want to do this anymore? I knew it's almost like, I don't know where it's like to get high, but I can imagine you feel a certain way. So when I was counting up all that money during COVID, I was like, bro, like, it can't get better than this. I'm a realist. I'm like, yo, it ain't never going to be this good, so I'm always going to be chasing that. And then on top of that, the customer's slow, everything's slow, and I was like, I still got some cash. Let me try to do something legit, which was totally another set of problems, you know, that's why it's like, on this whole thing, everyone wants to take the go with the bad. For me, was I had to apply everything I learned in the streets to go legit and to do something I love, which, you know, I literally just found the films, you know, recently, where I had all this stuff that I had been through that I really want to tell a real story about. Yeah. Because everyone I know, who got one of them getting jammed up, getting jammed up, not being able to figure shit out. It's something when you've grown this hell and you ain't done nothing your whole life and you realize, no one cares about this street shit. This shit is, yeah, okay, but now, they only care when you still have money and you're helping them out, you paying for shit, but then when you can't do that anymore, it's just you, man, it's so long, so you like, what the fuck do I do now? How do I actually, how do people live off of, what's the minimum wage, 20 something? Now I tried to get a real job, just ladies like take the trash out, I almost said, oh, that's part of the job I guess. Right. So I had to humble myself, but I just want to realize the films, when I started writing, I was like, well, I saw it writing, I was going to be put this, that's what a film is really about what it costs you, think about, I got the voice, you know, my daughter's not living with me all the time anymore. A lot of that was because, you know, what you doing in this game, it takes time. You have fun, you spend the money, you're traveling, you fucking other bitches, you know, you live in your life, but it takes a toll on you and going all the time. I was home a lot with my daughter, but at nights I was gone, so the wife's not mad, the wife's mad, I'm probably saying, you know, I'm probably, I'm a humble person, but sometimes your ego gets the best, you know, certain cases, yeah, shut the fuck up bitch, that's maybe not like that. But I owe $2 million, that couple of months will make you say, you know what, I'm not going to be as nice to you. It would be more for me like, you know, I always had a girlfriend on the side, you might have something else, like another chick or you just maybe not hearing them all the time. You know, I'm always a respectful person, but sometimes I realize relationships, you know, it takes, takes time to build. So, and when I come out of it, when I stop, stop hustling in and, you know, money's getting low, because for as you're, I stop hustling, I didn't care, I said, money, you don't figure itself out. Well, yeah, talk about that. Like, did you, had you, you own some property, but where, where did you put your profit? Did you, did you start it away and, and metals and gold, you said? Yeah, a lot of my problems wasn't gold, which, which did hold me, hold me over, tell us about that real quick. So this is a long time ago, well over the, the statute of limitations, of course, but I used to buy ounces after my flips, because I, I just love jewelry. Alances are gold. Yeah. So, go to 47th Street, make friends with any one of these jewelers who think you're friends, you're really not friends with them, but you can get a good deal. You can buy your gold cash, right? And once you become, so I used to give test jewelers out like this. I just said, because you can't go with them, like, you don't want to buy this cash, because they're going to think you, you know, a cop under someone. Go buy you a watch, right? And tell them, I need to borrow this watch for a, for a video shoot. I'm going to pay you cash for it today, right? I'm going to become back Monday, with the same watch in the same condition, buy it back for me for a thousand dollars less. You good with that? Nine at ten jewels will say yes, right? Nine at ten, not all, but nine at ten. So I did that, like two or three times with different jewelers. And that's one guy I was like, yeah, why do you keep doing this? And I said, yo, you know what? I'm just, I like, you know, wearing it to the next time I said, yo, you know what? Let me just give you this cash, just give me a check, because I noticed him, he would pay people with other people's checks all the time. So right? So he, I mean, he's trying to avoid his taxes and do whatever. So, you know, he's, he's cool. This guy can be, this guy's willing to play ball. I don't know if he was cool, but he was, you know, small in the play. Yeah. But that's another story. We could say that for the paid subscribers. He wanted that jewel, I'm talking about this, scumbag, and he wanted a snitching on that sender, Bob Menendez and we jersey. So again, we're going to talk about that maybe, maybe now. Yeah, but all those jewelers, all those jewelers on 47th Street are all criminals. Everybody knows that. I don't know about all of them, but we're all criminals, but I guess for me is like how you treat people. Yeah. If you really, I don't care what you do, well, it's not something I land as shit that, you know, can't respect. But if it's, if you deal with me as a person and it's the right way, don't try to scumbag me and throw me under the table, that's what that jeweler tried to do. He tried to set me up on some bullshit. So you were able to, as time went on, you were able to buy gold or jewelry wholesale with cash. Yeah. And I'll get a check back. I'll just have to clean up some money. So how does that work, though? You buy it and then you sell it back to them and then they give you a check. How do you make the money turn into a check? So I'll get the gold and I'll wait, but you can't do it all the time because you've got to set up your, whatever accounts you set up or put it in someone's name. And I'll say, get someone you trust to open up a LLC for you. Get someone you trust to open up a business bank account or if it's a small amount, they can have it just, you know, you want someone where you can put it in their account and you're going to trust them and they can leave it in there for a little bit, you know what I mean? Before you can, you know, funnel it to something else, but yeah, just, I'll buy the gold and you can sell it to anyone else. I need you. I would sell it to different people because I didn't want them knowing all my business. I would just bring, bring it in there and I would just say, well, give me a check. Maybe look at me crazy. You don't want cash? Well, no, give me a check. Yeah. What are you going to make it out to? I'm like, I'll make it out to this name. The LLC. that you could even like to put it into someone's name. - Right. - And you could have it put into the stocks if you want, you could put it. - Right, right. - And gold back then was like, you know, less than $1,000 an ounce. - Oh, I think it was like 11, 1100 or something like that. - Yeah. - Up to like 15, 16, that's why I stopped buying. And so that's not like a sketchy amount. That's not for somebody. - And I would keep them, I would keep them for a while so I needed to money for something. - Right, right. - I didn't really keep too much money in a bank. I just, a couple of times I was going to buy some property where people are so invested in. And you know, you know, get to put the money or I would cool them and cast them and just go about. - Right, right. - But you know, regular stuff, like, I always say like this, you're going to get guys 'cause they put in a spotlight on you, you know what I mean? So even talking about this now is so crazy, but like I said, it's past the statute limitations. I never killed anybody, nothing like that. So this is all stuff on that just. - What about jewelry? You said you spent like about a million bucks with your jeweler? - Yeah. - A million dollars spent with them. - Talk about New York jewelers. Like the guys that are really, you know, selling diamonds and ice to rappers and drug dealers. Like what does that look like? And yeah, I'm fascinated by the way that you can put jewelry on, lay away and then buy it back. Like explain your relationship with your diamond guy. - First of all, they're almost always going to rip you off. You don't know what you're doing. Number one, yeah, and for the jewelry that I had, you know, I had sold that back to them so many times, even the jewel I'm borrowing, I'm borrowing this from a jeweler right now. It's keeping hundreds of hours with you. You know, because it's just, you know, I have built ladies of the jewels that I know me, you know what I mean, in that way. But when it comes to actually buying jewelry, I'd say do your homework look around. They put that calculator for a reason. So whatever take, take whatever casting you, whatever the gold weight, that's really the only thing to value. The diamond, especially the small ones, they're not giving you anything for that. But when they love ripping off the urban community, of course. Because who else is going to spend, you know, 50,000 dollars on the chain, and then keep coming back and buying it again? That's why I always tell you to test your jewelry by saying, how much will you buy this back for me when I need money? If they tell you, no, that's a good answer because they said, oh, fun. If they tell you, I'll give you the same number that fucking line and you probably don't have to hurt them. - Right. - If you tell them, if they tell you, you know, you might lose 10% because I have labor costs and this, wear and tear. That's actually a really good number, but usually on like any custom piece that you have, you're losing like 50%. - Right. - If it's an existing bus down chain or something like that, that they already have made. If they're not a scumbag, you probably lose 10%. - Right. - All of the values went up so much with gold that you might even made money now. - Right. - The only thing you're really good is them gold, Cuban links, the solid ones, because you could have bought those for a good number, so you got them from a right manufacturer. - Right. - And they appreciate over time. Watches also, I liquidated my whole watch collection during COVID because the numbers were insane. - How much did you sell your watches for, tell us? - I almost doubled on everything I sold. I'm gonna have like two prezzies I bought, like the Olive Diles, the anniversaries. I paid 30,000 for the roll. I paid 27 for the white gold in 2019. And I'm gonna make the rolls when I hit like 55 during the time, so I mean, I probably was a stupid, I mean, probably would have to sell that anyways. I need a money later, but you made like a hundred G's. They gave you back like a hundred for two watches. - Oh, last, but it wasn't one. - But if I'd doubled on one, they'd know that one. I had like two patecs, I had sold, I had made a lot on. - So you just bought jewelry and especially the diamonds and chains as just a way to hold the value of your cash and then you sold it for a profit later on down the line. - I mean, I like jewelry, so I've lost a lot of money on jewelry. - When I had the intention to do it too for just in a way as an investment and a way to clean up some cash, it was always gold bars, always gold ounces. I would just buy the gold ounces, and that's what it was. Everything else with jewelry, I don't care what Noah said, jewelry is not an investment. Buy it 'cause you like it. It's actually a stupid thing to buy. I just love it. I don't know why we all got our vices. - Well, most people don't know that diamonds are not that rare at all. And now I think it's getting out, the words getting out, you can get like a lab-grown diamond that is eight to the price of what the little African boy who's working for a warlord digs up out of the ground. So there really is no scarcity out of diamonds. It's now they can easily be replicated. So the value once people figure that out is just should come crashing down. But gold is incredibly scarce and difficult. They only make one percent, they only mine about 1% new gold out of the ground every year. That's why it's perfect, it's been money for thousands of years. - You know what's crazy about that? So I had a fund of mine, he's American, but he lives in Columbia, and he's a Medeen. And they have gold mines out there in Columbia. So this was about 20, maybe 20, and the 21 going to 22. I got a kilo of gold. He's like, yo, we got it. It was like 25% less than like you buying it here. So I'm like, how are we going to get it out? How to make it to a chain? They made it into a chain for me, and we boarded out. That was mad, difficult though, I was like, fuck, right. 'Cause they was questioning the shit out of me over there. That's my guy, he owns a tourism company out there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And gold that would have been three times the price now. - Yeah, it was, I wish I kept it, man. You know, should've would've cut it, it was a lot. But during the, you learn things during the game that my mom was in it, even like, and this is not glorifying. This is just letting people know. Number one, you gotta know what you're doing. Don't get yourself into something, thinking this, anything you do, even when you're in the game, you ain't gonna blow up overnight. It's back in consistency and longevity, right? So I don't even go say it was quick. It was quick money, but it was, I worked for that money. You know, even like, how did you get a connect? How did you do this? Really the connect will find you. Don't, I've seen so many people get there, get fucked up by just going out of town, look for a connect, or going to the, if it looks too good to be true, what always is. But if you stay consistent and build up your clientele, eventually you're gonna outgrow that one connect, and you will, the connect will find you. That's it, 'cause eventually through that person it's gonna not, it's gonna be willing to be there, then I wanna take that risk anymore, or you're gonna find someone with, it just will. It's just like, anything in motion stays in motion. Totally, totally. So if you're going down that road, just know what you're asking for, 'cause it's gonna come. Yeah. And just be aware of what you're doing, save for them rainy days, always know, you know. Did, tell us about the fentanyl, because obviously towards leading up to COVID is where people really started to drop dead from the bad coke that was cut with fent. Yeah, how did that come into play at all with your hustle? Or what, as a coke dealer, what were you hearing and seeing in those times? I'll tell you this, I've never seen fentanyl mixed with cocaine on a large scale. To me that's so crazy, 'cause maybe you're on like with people trying to get higher than you might mix it themselves, but fentanyl's not like, it's not cheap, number one. And I don't know why you would fucking, I think the government maybe made that shit up or something, 'cause I have never in my life seen fentanyl cocaine, 'cause it just not, they're totally different, you know, things to process. But with the fentanyl, I saw fentanyl came, like I said, I didn't fuck with that shit, but obviously you hear, you see things. So back in like 2000, and I'd say seven, I had that guy in North Carolina, he owed me some money. And he was like, yo, these pills is coming, they were in the oxycines. So he knew someone in Florida, he put me on this shit. I didn't believe it's when down there, you could sign up anyone to go to a pain clinic and say they were hurt and they would give you 250. In me, I'd tell you how to a pharmacy, that it would cost me like, maybe a hundred or twenty dollars to fill that script. 'Cause you could just pay somebody to go in there and say, yeah, and it was crazy. I didn't, so we would go down there. This was like that summer of, oh wait, it was crazy. He was like, at that time it was a lot of money for me. I remember me like a hundred or eight thousand that summer off of this shit and being like, oh wow. We'd go to Miami, and I was younger too, so I was having fun with it. And we would just line these fiends up. We had rented a van, like a one of them work van, you pick up workers in, pick up these motherfucking people, go throw them in and you say your back's hurt, this and that, we throw them into the go to the pain clinics, they would be coming out, then we drive them onto the pharmacy to fill it up. We'd stay down there for about two weeks, get like 10,000. - Wow. - I'd bring them back up here, and I was still knocking them off for 25 hours a pop. - In New York? - Yeah, Jersey, New York, it was a very white drug. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But that was very big in the suburbs, and then I had my boy in Boston. He's like, yo, they love these hits up here, the M30s, the M was like, he was taking all of them at a lower margin, but it was one shot. So then that lasted for a while, so that one guy driving down, he's fucking fucked up in North Carolina, he was smoking the car, cops took the money, and that was the end of that. But that's how I saw all these kids get hooked on it, and then I had this other guy who was giving me some coke for a while, like not big time, he'd been me one of two keys, so he was from Queens, and he was like, yo, my people's got these two. He's like, it's just the Mexican, they got the fake, they do the same thing. I didn't really know, I'm like, wasn't super big, fat and all, I didn't really notice those later, so I was like, alright, and then, you know, people would say, yo, it's quality's good, it's not good, but that's when also I seen people like, but the heroin game used to use, they used a lot of different cuts, right? For whatever reason, I think it would go bad, or I don't know, I know this, when they put, you cannot sell dope without fettin' on it. Any more, because the fiends won it. - Right. - That game is so fucked up, when a fiend dies, the other fiends is like, damn, I like that shit. It's like, what the fuck? - That's the bomb, man. - No, I don't want none to do with that shit, and then also then the suburban kids came in, and they were, you know, passing away, it was dying, but you know, you know, it's sad to say people cared more about, they got the family, so that's why to me, Fattenaw, the crack only affected urban community, right? It only affected our community because it was killing us, right? But Fattenaw affects everyone because they cut into the dope with it, right? And then they also make it into pills, they're giving it to the suburban community, they die. So it's to me, it's like the most dangerous word. I actually have a script written about Fattenaw too, how I've seen it, how I've seen it transition and really, I don't even like saying it, we're called at the F, that's the real F word right there. - That's the F they call it in the streets. Yeah, nothing has had such an impact since crack cocaine, but Fattenaw's way, way deadlier than crack, which is just smokeable coke, you know? So the hype around it, you know, the fear mongering is more legitimate to me than the fear mongering around crack, which is just kind of excuse to lock as many, you know, black and brown people up as possible. But did you see, okay, so that really is interesting. There's no, no coke dealer or whatever say, oh, I got some Fattenaw, this would be a good mix. Like nobody's stretching their product that way. - Figure, figure, figure, figure, a key is some raw Fattenaw, you know what I mean? Let's say you're, you know, 25,000. Do you wanna go experiment with that? - No, right. - You probably gonna try to cut that up and sell it as raw, I'll see if you can do that. - Right, but you know, it's not, yeah, it's something that I've never, in my life, seen that on a still Y. - Or never heard people dealers putting a mix of Fattenaw on coke. - No, maybe on the smaller end, maybe if you got people who are getting high and they like that shit, like that, maybe? - Well, but there were a lot of people that were dropping dead of it, you know, leading up to COVID during COVID right after COVID. So what was that about? You think that's just small, just dumbass junkie dealers? - Maybe, I don't know, maybe on like, I mean, there's definitely a lot of Fattenaw overdoses for people doing dope, but as far as coke, people, you know, doing coke, and even if I'm selling coke and you want coke, I'm gonna give you just coke, you know what I'm saying? 'Cause I want you to come back. - Yeah. - I don't want you to die. So that's part of it, which I didn't ever really understood. - But yeah. - I mean, look, anything's possible. This is just my take on it and what I've seen, but even with Fattenaw, it's so dangerous, 'cause I know two incidents where, you know, people's kids have died, 'cause they'd be, you know, they'd be cutting up in the girl's house. I should get in the air. You gotta have, be masked up, loved up, you know, to really work with that stuff. - So what are you here now? Do you, like the heroin dealers in New York, you know, the uptown guys, do some queens, the guys in the Bronx, you know, those are like the communities that are really moving heroin, right? They, Fattenaw has to be, has to be part of their business bottle. - Um, yeah, like I said, you know, I'm pretty much pretty removed right now, but I can't imagine things changing too much, but yes, once something is there, it ain't never gonna go away. - You sure? - You know, when you open a door with anything, whatever it is, it's, you know, it's there. Because when someone gets a demand for it, you think about it here, right? We're just talking about New York City, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, right? When you go to Middle America, you know how Middle America is, you go to Oklahoma, Kansas, Hawaii. Even maybe part of the Texas, you know, you guys are close to the border, but there's not much to do in a lot of these places, but get high. Hitz Burr was a big marker for me for a while because there was, you go, "I know how y'all steal "of fans are crazy, 'cause they ain't shit "else to do it to." - Yeah, yeah. - You getting high or you wanna get the fuck out of it because, you know, it's sad to say, that's just what they do, you know? They just get high and this is problems. I don't know how to change. I don't wanna be in a position to know how to change it. I just know that for me getting into film, it's to shed a light on certain stories, the right way, not to glorify. I'll tie to these gunbusting movies and these street movies that talk about that. Even a die-section of a dollar talks more like mentally, but I was going through at that time of COVID. When COVID happened, I was doing after so long already. That I was like, "Damn, this is God telling me. "Here, take this last perfect storm for you." - Yeah. - Ain't, ain't, ain't get out. - Right. - And that's why I really felt it. Whatever you do, just leave. - And that's usually, that usually means you're about to get busted or killed. - Feds took one of my boys, right? - Well, this was really kind of another thing that I was the time I had seen them. And he was already about 50, you know? So I'm like, when they took him, we thought he got kidnapped. He's been kidnapped before. So his son hit us like, "Yo, 'cause they can't "when they X-5 in a van grabbed them up, "meaned him for days." And then finally, they contacted. That's about three or four days. They contacted him. Our contact with his family was like, "Yo, they let him, he got arrested." Whatever, and he was in MDC for a couple of years before he got sentenced. But I was like, "Damn, that shit. "I'm not gonna be like 50 years old, then." - You imagine that? - Going off to do another 10, 15, 20 or so. - 20 or so long, 70 years old. Like, you know, like, it's a lot. So that was one of the moments for me when I was really just like, I don't even care. I think people still owe me money. I don't give a damn. When I keep that shit up, you guys are good. Because it's just, you know, and even in, and this is me being older. And I tell people that this is a young old time, like, bro, I lived this life, I did that. Yeah, I have fun, I learned, and it made me, but it's really not something you want to do. Think about, like, if you just really find something you love to do at a young age, really just buckle down on that and the money's gonna come. Whatever it is. Because it, what you lose, the relationships you lose, the stress you put, your family throw the, well, I've seen a lot of people break. I don't know why, if whatever reason I could deal with the pressure, well, I've seen a lot of people break. And you're not normal. Sometimes when you go through something, you just don't come out the same way, and not a lot of people can handle it. You're so rare. How many guys do you know like you that had 20 years in the game that didn't do any time? I don't know anybody, really, I don't know. Everyone I met, I met certain people. I never had a lot of customers. I might have had the most of the time of five, six, now I make three to four wholesale customers. I have like maybe five, six, seven breakdown, but the wholesale ones, the ones who did me the best, and we've still to this day or cool. 'Cause I never did bad bins, and they all came out from doing wild bids, from the 80s crack laws. A lot of them came home from doing 15, 20 years. When they came back, I just happened to meet them. Right. Through certain people that we knew mutually, and they were like, "Yo, that's my boy." And then once I started, they see how I moved. They were like, "Yo, you kinda, you remind me of a lot of shit." But I never once thought that I was anything like, I was never, I never had that ego like, "I'm the man." 'Cause I knew once you have, if you're not a humbling life, life hum was your way harder. And that's what I was like when you're bad, when you're doing something illegal too, like, "Yo, you best count your fucking blessings." I was always waiting for the other foot to drop, always. So what do you think you lost? Because there is this, I do believe in this universal law of justice, to where justice always comes, maybe not directly, you know, like, instant karma, but things will always return to equilibrium and what is right. Right, we'll always win in the end. What do you think you lost since you didn't do any time? You got out with your life. What did the drug game take from you? What kind of justice did you have to serve from all that time in the game? It definitely jaded my reality of how things in life work. 'Cause no matter what, all them years, when I was living like that, right? I put it like this, most people don't see any money until they're in like their 30s or 40s, right? I was making money at a young age, so it jades you to think. Like, you know, that's why even when I got out of the game, what the fuck am I gonna do with a 40-year-old man? Growing man, I got no formal education. I have no, I just have myself. So I really had to, these last couple years, being mad hard because you're trying to figure out what to do next. It's not as easy just opening up a business. I'll try, but you really, it's just the fact for me anyway, I have to love what I do. And not saying I love selling drugs, but I love the fact that I was doing something that worked well. I've built up a business, and it wasn't in my control, but the thing that weren't in my control ended that business. So when you try to find yourself and, you know, seeing how you can live and by doing something legit, it's like, okay, that's one way. Another thing that cost me a lot of relationships. There's three, four people that I really love to this day that, you know, they're not here anymore. They got two other people that I don't know when they come to home or even where they are, but I don't know where they are. So that's why I always say, when you meet someone in the streets, then you get you get money and you really, that you give me a hundred, I'm giving you a hundred, and if you have the opportunity to fuck me over and you didn't, and I had the opportunity to fuck you over and I didn't, that bond can never be broken. It's like, as people I've met for months or even like a year that I see them today, it's whatever you need because that's how strong that love was. Have you made real friends in the game? A few of them. - One in that, 'cause everyone I, that way, you knew my family's at, you knew where I live. I didn't believe in that, except if it was out of town, it should've been general to ones who was closest to me, but they know, 'cause I didn't like talking on the phone, You'll pull up at the crib. Let's go work out of the gym. Let's go do this. You know, I'm just gonna pull up on you. It wasn't like I Wasn't lying to you, so I'm not scared Because like you gotta be a sucker to fuck if I'm showing you love and you not showing me love back That and once we get past the point that you established that respect Saw good brother, whatever whatever I can do for you on my dude because I already see your character. It's good for you It was good for me and that's just how I move and they added up going away a couple of those clubs Yeah, I got one of them. I don't know where he's at You know it and that's something I you don't process till later or there's a lot of situations that you know You find yourself in Where you don't realize it till later You don't you know me. You don't really realize it till later like Or actually it affected me, you know saying I'm gonna be getting into a shootout so much shot on my car when I was 18 You know we was just driving it and at the time you're like whatever. I didn't get hit. I'm good And then you realize later I'm more paranoid. I mean, I'm thankful for it because it allows not paranoid way like you scared But more like you are aware right or you can either for me. I'm thankful all these situations happened because it now I'm very aware, you know like everything what I'm doing But I see some people totally bug out off of that, you know, I'm saying they go too hard or they just make irrational decisions, so it's like It's how you handle it You know even relationships with with family members Did your family your your extended family or your parents did they know what you were doing all those years? I think you know people aren't stupid, you know I left my home at early age, but you seem to come back with a band you know, I mean or this and that Kind of had to cut a lot of hair. Hey. Yeah, you know, it doesn't really and then even my daughter There was time my daughter is to be like I'm or she found I was in the car I ain't and she snuck in the back that I had popped open the staff. She was like whoa, what's that? It's so cool And I was like oh shit she saw the coke. No, she didn't see that Um, I was just working the box, you know, I had a box and that time it was one of them accord SUVs and the box was in the back So I was hitting the switches and the box popped open and To think like what's that or why you always have three phones or You know why what do you do when she goes to school? I wasn't I'm a family person like I love my daughter That's what's like and we know even though our marriage wasn't good It probably wasn't going to work from the beginning anyway, but we even me or how to go relationship, but it's Yeah, you can't bring these people to the house. I don't know them or what is this or careful to tell your family or you know this and that so Everything comes at a price. It ain't never gonna be the grass ain't ever green on the other side because if it was you'd be there You know, uh even even now figuring that out with with uh making decisions to make movies and films All I knew was I loved it once I saw right right in something and I seen it come to life on the screen And like and my and my people's my peers like yo you doing something. That's right. You can tell the story Like you know, it's amazing. So how does you start writing? What gave you that spark to say? Oh, yeah, I want to write a movie I was frustrated nothing was working. I opened like three businesses. They weren't doing well I just didn't give a fuck about them. I try getting a regular job That's it You know, I take my hat off the people that work regular jobs and I didn't even know a minimum way what wage was. I just you know, sometimes you I might have made 2030 a month But I probably sometimes made more because you don't know. Yeah, you know, sometimes you just buying whatever you want Move within reason, but like you know, it's you know, I never really spoke about it for us at the stage as else I could talk about it now in the movie but I started writing out of frustration And I thought what what what better time to write about then no one spoke about COVID. It's like I don't know what was going on in the rest of the country or the world But I know you couldn't move like we was moving like even man had the terse areas was dead But you went uptown. It was like fucking crazy triple park everyone's parking And the fucking coke was flying the scammers were flying every drug was selling crazy, right people was getting money And I was like, yo, this is like another world So let me write about but also my feelings without feeling at the time was I was never really happy Even though my wife was getting on my nerve. We wasn't I'm like, you know, where I went treating each other right My fucking family. It wasn't feeling good Um as much as I wanted to help people You know what I'm doing is illegal and it's not like I got a hundred million dollar. They got a one or two But even at that time you're like y'all wanted to what am I gonna do next like a last week my whole life So that's kind of how I always thought about it. So it was I just was writing out of frustration out of like This is what I'm going through right now What I'm feeling and I just shout it for a little bit Um, that's the box allowed when I'm still box now, but So I started trying to train people try to make some money, you know, I mean to do some training I want to train this girl. She's an executive producer for different shows And um, you know, she lived in not far from me. So I'll be training her and I'm telling about the idea a little bit This is a girl. I like it. Let me see it Working she offered me some money for it So I said you know, I'm not I'm so business man. So I'm like she offered you money for the script. Wow It's rare, but they don't pay me like 15 or 1500 dollars for it. Right, right I'm gonna do it that right so I said you know what? Let me do short film. So I just got a Found like some whacked out camera man that lived in my building. I got him I put together the um short film and I put it back out YouTube to see what people would say if people liked it Right, I did three of them tested just I did a focus group. So I'm gonna make a focus group to see how that would go Just to see what the reaction would be right and then the lady offered me another shit. I'll give you five grand for it That's what I knew I had something. I said let me sort out like let me make a movie Let me see how much it makes to make a movie. So I took kind of like the last bit of my money. I had made a movie um Put something on a credit card whatever just like everyone else chasing the dream I'm looking like I'm just even though I did all this other shit. Who cares? I don't got that shit anymore I'm in a new shit. I'm here to learn But I'm also here to know like your my these are different nobody fucking my ideas Because real life people's stories bringing it together and my goals is put these out and I'm figuring out distribution now and waiting for them way to come out And learning people like yourself Johnny I look up to you. You do you put something successful together So anyone is entertainment that's actually putting things that are successful together I want to work with you. I want to link up with you because I want to work and learn so I could put my people's on Yeah, I got a lot of people that I love that you know who are smart. They just Always kind of looking to me even when they're older than me or whatever they look at me to you know, what could we do? You know a lot of people I know they you know, I'm doing a lot of shit. So we'll hear let's let's do something we can do legitly legally and feed our families and what's more beautiful than that So we're pre recording this obviously But by the time it comes out where can folks find the movie so the movie is definitely going to be on to be 100 percent And it's looking like it's going to be able to be available for sale on Amazon Prime But I'm going to put it on to be first so they have the exclusive. Right. Oh, I'm trying to get a lot of the 50 cent You know if you know anyone knows him. I would love to work with 50. Um, yeah, I got some in the works right now. Yeah, because uh, you know My day is a great and I said I'm trying to really bring back the I'm sure bring back them feel good movies like the comedy we doing The next one, but if it's right here. This was definitely the passion project It's like my resume to the world now. What is the name of it name is dissection of the dollar? Um, you can see the um, obviously do a brief copy of the um the trailer like I said it's also on my Instagram which is it get yours 1,000 Um, people don't understand that name either like yo, why did you get yours? G-E-T underscore yours underscore 1,000 But I wanted to do some like to when I made the Instagram like I said it's my first year. Have an Instagram And uh, I was like yeah, I was like you know what When I got it, I never got less than a thousand and when I got got it I don't do nothing less than a thousand percent. So it was like get yours 1,000 so that was my own My my IG name yeah Put together the promotional company always in motion with two elves. So double the lessons we learned You know wow, so you really Love this stuff. You really love movie making and writing um, which is great. It's a power. It's a powerful thing being able to write I love writing and I write in a different way. So just that everyone out there wants to know. I don't even know how to type So I just write everything on paper like yeah, I write it like the first movie I did write that 100% myself And I gave it to a professional writer to transcribe it But um, I write out a whole detail like how I want the movie to start how I want the high-pip point the low point the ending And I put together a character list and then I write on my hand like certain I'll just talk and show type it like certain specific scenes that I want in there to establish character points and subplots And then she puts it all together You know, who does that Quentin Tarantino? Oh, no way really used to just write out he wrote pull fiction or even reservoir dogs his first Film by hand just scribbled it and then he gave it to his assistant to put together into a script I feel that's crazy. I feel like you got to empower people if you're good at something You got to do what you're good at. I don't know. I don't know. It's a building house like I'll I know how to hire people to get people around me Who are skilled and I'm not trying to micromanage people my real goal once I Can bring these people's stories to live just like I know so many people That I want to partner with them to write scripts. So they can have a part ownership And then I could have this production company shoot it And I can so if I could get four or five films out or series out in a year And I could just manage it because that's my ultimate goal with my my skill quality and what people's person I'm for whatever reason it comes naturally me to just manage How things go? Yeah, it's just whatever it is. It's all right. This is person is good at their skill Yeah, so you got you've got the personality of a producer. That's what a producer does Yeah Thank you. So go get dissection of the dollar on to be, it'll be available on Amazon shortly after the to be drop. But for our followers and listeners that are watching this, we'll have the link up, obviously go follow Polosi Snarros, get underscore yours 1000, you'll be promoting it, you know what I mean. But the first thing people could do and should do is go watch dissection of the dollar on to be. And then, you know, we'll see what comes next. They say your first film is to do the next film. That's what they tell early filmmakers, you do your first film so you can get the next one. So yeah, we got links to 50 so we'll, we'll, uh, yeah, we're going to get you in the door. I appreciate you all. Yeah, brother. And that's crazy how you said that. So the one thing I'll say about this is like, when I decide to do the movie, say building a house, right? You could finesse me once, which once I figured out, once I saw how much people finesse me after I finished the movie, I said, oh man, I never working with these people again. Right. Yeah. But hats off to the PAs, the talent, everyone and say people like yourself, man, I really appreciate it. It's awesome. I hope it goes very well. And yeah, dude, it was a pleasure to sit down with you, man. No, thank you. Cut the one shout out real quick. Please do. I got a shout out. A good jeweler out there. A good jeweler. Someone who was, who only helped me after, um, I got out the game didn't even meet me with money. My guy Freddie over there, Julie Yannis and, uh, Param's New Jersey man, he, uh, salad guy, uh, only does straight up business and, uh, if you need him, check him out. That's it, man. If you want to deal on jewelry, you can't, you can't be on 47, you got to go to Paramus. Yeah. There you go. That's where you get a little price break, dude. Yeah, yeah. Just for the drive. There you go. Hell yeah. Policies, narrows, and now we're going to jump over the Patreon now and do a little more, you know, have a, have a, have a, have another chat, uh, patreon.com/thekinexshow. Policies, narrows, on to be right now, dissection of the dollar. We'll see you next time. Bye.