Inside NYC's Craziest Weed Trap Spot: Bronx Kingpin Reveals Open-Air Drug Market

How did you first get involved? I was basically raised into this shit. Who were some of your connects in New York? I had Jamaican connects. I had white boys. I had all type of motherfuckers that would come give us weed. I'm sending it for 13, 14. I'm making three, four hundred of a pound. I was so four, five pounds a one day. So I'm going home with $1,800, young boy. Killin' it. I used to get rid of me, like, 50 pounds a week. My guess today is Angel Diaz, better known as Julito. A Puerto Rican drug trafficker from the South Bronx, who managed one of the busiest weed spots in all of New York City. Smokers and dealers from all over the Tri-State area would come to Julito's block to score bud. Didn't matter if you wanted a dime bag or a hundred pounds, Julito's crew had you covered. The federal indictment accused them of selling $100 million worth of marijuana in the nine years that Julito ran the organization. This is a fascinating look at how the drug trade still operates in New York City to this day, in forgotten ghettos like the South Bronx. Worlds away from the tourists and the wealthy glamour of Manhattan. Julito wrote a memoir, the United States of America vs. Julito, about his life as a weed kingpin and the murder that took him and his crew down. You can get that on Amazon and check out part two with Julito, where he tells insane stories from behind the prison wall, which you can get early over at patreon.com/theconnectshow. Ladies and gentlemen, a South Bronx and a New York weed legend. It's Anghel Julito Diaz right here on the Connect with Johnny Mitchell. What's up everyone? So it looks like YouTube has started suppressing our videos again. So I got to ask you guys a big favor before we get started today. Please just take a minute to smash that like button and drop a comment below. It really, really helps the channel out and I do appreciate it. All right, let's get into it. Puerto Rico to the South Bronx. That's just the pipeline. Yeah, that's the pipeline. My mom's and my problem is both of them from Puerto Rico. My mom's is from Otoado. That's a part of Puerto Rico and my dad is from Fahalo. That's another part of Puerto Rico. My mom came here when she was real young. After my mom got here when she was real young, my uncles and all of them came. My mom got one, two, three, four brothers and two sisters. So it's seven of them. My mom is the oldest out of the women. Then you've got my aunt Penny, Rest in Peace. And then you've got my aunt Nidia Rest in Peace. And then she's the oldest out of the girls. Then my mom got four other brothers that the oldest one is Uncle Caesar, Uncle Eli Rest in Peace, Uncle Ed, Uncle Lefty Rest in Peace, and Uncle Edy Rest in Peace. What happened to all your uncles? You know, substance abuse, drugs, doing that 80s. All that shit going through that all that while and now. You know, life catch up to you. Yeah, and your mom was in the game too? Yeah, my mom was in the game. My mom got in the game with in time. My mom's first, my mom came over here young. My mom's got married young. And I'm saying she got married to my older brothers and sisters. My mom's first three, my mom got six kids. My mom's first three kids is from one man that that's Adam's mother, my brother Tito, and my sister Nancy. Well, my mom's meant their father very, very young. As my father meant, as my mother meant dumb, very, very, very, very young. My mom's got pregnant, very, very young. I had my older sister that that's Adam's mother. When she had Adam's mother, she was about like 16. And you know, when she got pregnant, my grandfather was like one of them strict, old Spanish men that wasn't having a leg. And he was always like, you know, they raised up with like all that type of military because he was military too. So he had always that military, whatever one. My mom's got pregnant from dumb. My mom's wound up to leave. As my older sister got born, then that's when my mom came back to show my grandfather, my older sister. And as my mom showed my grandfather, my older sister, then she had two more kids with her previous husband. So my mom's been through a lot like as a young girl going up. You know, I'm saying he was really like abusive to my mom. You know, I'm saying that he was older than my mom. So he was a little abusive to my mom. So my mom went through a lot of bullshit with him. You know, I said, "Young girl." And whatever, but she left. Then my mom came back finally. My grandfather accepted his grandkids. And then my mom got left him. After my mom left him, then she met my brothers. My brother Julio, his name is Bopey. He's a Florida, he's over there. She met his father. When she met his father, you know, they was together. Whatever that's where my brother came to when I told do. We call him Bopey. That's like a nickname like they call me Julito, but his name is Julio. Then from then, the relationship didn't work. Then she wind up to meet my sister Christy, her father. And I guess when she met her, his father, her father, it didn't work out that she met my father. Then when she met my father, my father was like, came from Puerto Rico. He was like real, you know, abuse of two, always. You know what I'm saying? Raw, screaming, all that shit and all that. Then with the time my mom left him. But before my mom left him, that's when Julito came. That's me. And after I came, my mom, my dad was always, you know, that relationship. I could say more because I lived it. My dad was always in and out of prison. My dad being always in and out of prison. My mom was one of the women's loyalty. My mom's held them down, held them down. And then one time that my dad went to jail. And before my dad, my mom was daily, you know, whatever, guys that was from outside. They were street guys, but guys that was like, you know, official dudes or whatever. So my mom knew the game and knew certain people. And you know, she grew up in that South Bronx era. When the South Bronx was a South Bronx like Alito's way to moving while she grew up in that era. And she grew up in that era. She stood there with certain people that she knew like certain connects or whatever. And then my dad went to jail on a bid. When he went to jail on a bid, that's when I moved to my black way from Creston. When I moved to Creston, where I was from, my mom wound up going and looking out her window. And she wind up to see or oh, connect her husband. So she called out the window, called his name. When she called his name, he'd like, oh, come down. Him and my mom died in tune again. Once him and my mom got in tune again, that was, we was, I wasn't born. My sister, Christy wasn't born and my brother must have been small. My brother, Poppy was small. We was, me and Christy wasn't at that time quite born yet. No, they was born already. Excuse me. Now, as that happened, my mom met him back up. My mom started going up, I'm going to, I'm going to Maryland with him, going to Baltimore with him. He used to pay my mom for that and hit my mom with like, he had 200 grams. My mom used to take the 200 grams, get rid of them. Boom, boom, boom, boom, get rid of them. Now he started hitting my mom's move more work. How about hair on? Hair on, coat, whatever. But my mom was just doing her thing. Now my mom's had a cousin, that was named Primo. Primo used to go and be in, now we're not in the South Bronx anymore. We own, Creston, 193rd, Crenz was four of them. But my mom still had links to the South Bronx. So our cousin needs to come grab the work and go all the way to the South Bronx. This was when my mom used to be in Longwood and to Velfox. All that area around there, my mom used to be out there. Then my mom just started going crazy. That the guy that my mom called out the window actually put her on to the connect, the connect, the connect. Now the connect now with some Pakistan. And you already know for that brown, for that brown for real, for that work for real. So now I guess my mom was always so loyal. Never did no bullshit, always had their money. My mom, the dude that my mom was dealing with basically fell back when she called out the window. He felt like, "Yo, I'm gonna fall back, but I'm gonna put you on to Johnny or whatever." So now when she put them on to the Indians, to the Pakistan, they were like your size, your color eyes, your compraction, but Indian, we're the God. I was a small little kid, I remember this. They would come in my house with a bag. They start bringing my mom work. And after they start bringing my mom work, she started getting crazy back. The whole time I'm recording all this as a young kid. Now, how was your mom, mother of six, you know, get a woman, no education? How is she moving all this heroin? She moving all this everyone because she was loyal. She never fucking nobody money. This is the shit I've learned the night. And that's why I'm here where I'm at today. Like, she never fucking nobody's money. She always told us, "You know, you don't snake nobody." You know, saying, "You always pay." So I guess they started liking my moms because my moms would always pay them. But did she, I mean, like, how did she do it? Did she have dope spots for her? Were she wholesalers? First, she just started like selling to people in the building. Right. When we lived that, certain neighbors sniffed a coat on the floor doing this, doing that. Then she had her cousin. He had this spot. Then my mom's had her own spots that it was in spots, but she was just hitting guys that was out there doing what they're doing. My mom's stamp was called Seven Crown. Like how you got an obsession stamping the Bronx, you know, they got different types of stamps or whatever, checkmate, blue, thunder, my mom was Seven Crown. So that was my mom's stamp. If Seven Crown went to the South Bronx, went to the East Bronx, went to the West Bronx, whatever it was, that was Seven Crown. You knew that that everyone was Seven Crown. - That was a good stamp, it was moving. - It was a good stamp, it was moving. So whatever Seven Crown was, they knew what it was. Plus my mom's never been like greedy, never been like a snake and nothing. My mom's, I guess her client said, got crazy because she was to give people good work, big bags, and the shit just started going crazy. Mom just started eating that. And now I see the Indians coming more often, and more often, and more often. So when I see that, I'm like, oh shit was going on. I still don't know who these people was. I just know some Indian guys, one tall one, like your size, and another short one. But the one that was the man was a tall one, blue eyes, light skin. I'm like, damn, I ain't even know Indians come that color. But they've come with the brown paper bag, Nixon, you know who leave with the bag. Show me always being the way I was. Johnny Iceco always look at all this shit. Like when they were going to room, like the door handle, I would look through the door handle. And I would see my mom's with mass stacks. Mass stacks of money, I guess, you know, clearing them up, fixing them up, or whatever. And those dudes would leave. Then I still didn't know really what was going on too much 'cause at that time I'm young. I'm going back to when I was five, six years old. I just see a glass, a piece of mirror big, what a mountainous snow on it. I ain't know if it was cold, I ain't know if it was dope, or whatever, but I just knew it was a mountain there. Next thing I thought, see people not going on the door, fool, fool, fool, fool, coming in out. But my mom always kept us, you know what I'm saying? Like out the way. It was just me, I was always nosy, like young kid. Always looking like that, what's on that door? And you be able to come here. And I actually see like Christmas time. We used to sit on presents in Christmas time. Like the Christmas tree right here, we had remote control cars, my sister's, our house is like about millions of presents, you know what I'm saying? She was like hood rich. I mean, my mom's, no, I don't get it wrong. At that time, we was hood rich, like, 'cause my mom never really drove, so it wasn't like my mom had cars. And my mom never really did it to be flamboyant. Yeah, it's old school shit. My mom didn't always to take care of her kids, like, you dig it, wasn't that, my mom left us in the house and she was outside partying and doing this. That, now my mom, on social clubs, like, my mom was a woman like that, like social clubs that you go over there, you drink, you sniffing shit like that. You drinking two days, they got the pool table, they got the jukebox, you know, those are like the back in the day, 80s shits, like everybody had little social clubs. My mom had like two, three social clubs. So I guess she moved a lot of, yeah. Coconut and then she gave a lot of bundles out, a lot of bundles out. She gave out as in to people here, here, here, hitting the more love, hitting the more love, hitting the more love. But like I go back, my mom's really had like a real traumatizing relationships with men, you understand me? And I'm not gonna just say here, say only my older brothers and sisters were also my dad too, 'cause my dad came from Puerto Rico. He was really aggressive. You know, my dad was like a guy they brought over here from Puerto Rico because he was like on board shit. So he always had like a tempo. My dad was even stabbed like an off-duty cop in the neck with a 007. They was looking at him. I don't know if you ever seen the movie "Fort of Patchy". There's a movie called "Fort of Patchy" that my dad is about like cops and a preset in the South Bronx. And when they bring the guy to the actor, they bring him in the preset. Like you could see my dad's face wanted on the wall. Big ass Afro, he was on America's most wanted in all life. He was looking for my dad or through America's most wanted. Everything, they got him in Pennsylvania. Shit like that, got locked up. This some time came home. But when that happened on my dad, he wasn't with my mom at that time. He was with his previous wife that he met from Puerto Rico. But he was always so violent and drinking his shit like that. And when he caught that charges, first wife dipped on him. Oh, this is my time to get away from him. So when my dad came home, 'cause I just learned this before I'm here talking to you this, this is actually good. My aunt was the one that introduced my dad to my mom. My aunt Penny, Penny was a gangster. She was like some ladies from Shaft. Remember the movie Shaft? Like she ran around with a three, five or none. She'll take you lying. You up, give me that. Like she was on bullshit. My aunt Penny, rest in peace. My, she was on bullshit. She was like one of them and had dudes that are around for that with goons. Like if she got a drop on you, she was over for ya. Since then, like she was outside like that, my aunt Penny. She was up with fly. I'm talking about, she was doing that with more flamboyant. She was doing that water like the gazelles and the love of cold and my mom's never been like that. My mom's always more humble. You know, got fly, but humble. - So you really come from a whole family of gangsters and drug addicts. - Basically? - There's no point about it. - There should be. - So the world can know. - Yeah. - So how you're young in the 80s when your mom's getting on in the 90s, you get the-- - I don't know who's learned joke too. - They were drug dealers, what were they? - They were my uncles who's old type for sure. At that time in the 80s, you was a drug dealer, you was a killer. You was a whatever, my uncles who's no joke like. - Did you ever remember like the first body you saw? Like growing up in the Bronx, you're gonna see a dead body, do you? - The first dead body I ever seen in the Bronx. I seen a couple of them. But the first one I ever seen, I was playing a video game. Like there was a store that me and my best friend rest in peace, Ralphie, you know? This is my best friend, my bro. We was young, like we used to act like all the drug dealers for change, yo, yo, let me get it done, let me get it done. So we'll all grab our money together. We go changing quarters and we go play. And as we play in the game, we just hear pop. We hear a shot, like, oh shit. As soon as we see, we didn't see nothing. Everything got sounding. We still playing the game. Next thing you know, I said, hold up. That's just sound like it actually was close to us. I looked at our body and I guess I must have lost the game. He kept playing. And when I looked over the counter, I seen a stoner right on the floor and shit leaking out his head, you know what I mean? Like, wow, one shot right to the head. Well, he was just fell, I'm like, oh shit, what is that? When I look at the owner, he's on the floor, head leaking. And there's a bunch of money right there. But at that time, you know, there was no cameras, like in stores at that time. So we wound up going like, he's right there with his head. We like, we got more game winning leg. We like take the hand, but I thought he was still alive because I see him like, I guess that's your nervous system. We know after you going down, something like, oh, shit, we got to get a body hit. They see, you know, we were leaving out the stock. Woo, a whole bunch of police can't. And then we found out that the guy got shot in the head. Any guy, but it was so normal. I mean, I guess according to people, it wasn't normal, but it wasn't something that we already knew growing up since young me, what you see, don't say shit. How did you first get involved in the business? I basically got involved. I was basically raised into the shit, no disrespect. Like, I see my mom's getting money. I didn't know what it was because I never seen nothing happen. But I'm going to tell you a story. One day, they ran in my house, some stick up guys. Oh, knocked on the door, opened the door, they ran in. Nobody moved. I thought it was the cops, but it wasn't no cops. They took everybody in the house and they cuffed them. But we don't know really where it came from. Maybe it might have came from my dad, 'cause my dad was so aggressive to people and like, you know, trope to, ah, 'cause he was always just so aggressive that guys know a whole lot shit. Like, this is what I'm saying growing up. Like, you're not just going to trope to me no way. So maybe they sent some guys to commit. And I remember they put my dad handcuffed them, put him on the floor, put a pillow of his head. They had the bunch of his head and my mom's screaming. My mom's screaming like, please don't kill him. He just came out of jail. He just came out of jail, please don't him. And then me and my sister, we on the sofa, we young my sister, Christie. She's the youngest out of the girls. Show me and her together. And as me and her together, Johnny, she's crying. She's crying the guys like, yo, just relax. Relax, we like, yo, please don't kill my mom. Please don't kill my mom, whatever they had. Everybody handcuffed about friends, customers. Everybody that was in there. And they had guns drawn like, I'm like, oh shit. They had my father on my mother's floor with a pillow of his head. And they was looking, looking, looking, looking. Look at my mom was like, yo, just think everything. No, please don't kill him. He just came out, please don't kill him. They grabbed like some bullshit they ran out. After they ran out, everybody's cuffed. Me and my sister, young. My brother Popeye came in, Julio. After he came here, he's seen everybody cuffed. Everybody's crying my sisters like, "Oh, please, don't kill us, don't kill us, don't kill us." My sister, Christy, after they did that, I remember my brother went and got a fork from the thing, bent the fork and he started on loosening the handcuffs for people, on loosening the handcuffs, on loosening the handcuffs, on loosening all the handcuffs. That's when we like, "Oh shit, shit is real right in there." And I guess I got my mom like a little like, "Oh shit, no, I can't, you know, my kids or whatever." So my mom started petting it a little more different than-- - Fell back there. - Before it was just like more, like, you know, open house, people in the building, Johnny here, take that, go here, go, go, go. But I'm thinking really now, this is my conclusion, I came to have to learn in the street and be able to, maybe that should happen 'cause my dad was like, there's two people who come to get something. Oh, you gotta wait, you gotta wait, it's too early. And I learn like shit like that. That's not what you do with people, bro, you know? Well, did you learn, first of all, don't trap out of where you live? - First I learn, you don't trap out of where you live. I know that. But it was my dad that was like too little aggressive. 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They were his friends. They used to be out there selling mad weed. I didn't know what it was. But I know they were selling. Then before that was like, I used to be at a school and hit it to make it. It's like, says, says, says, skunk, skunk, skunk, skunk, skunk. You know, with that accent, then I see the world mad weed. I see the police locking them up. I see them taking the weed out the bag, rolling that shit up with smoke and a spliff. So now I started matching it like, all right, this green shit, this smell is this, this is weed. They call it says skunk or whatever. Then I started matching it with Fenton. After I started growing up, growing up, growing up, growing up, seeing what was going on. Now I started seeing different things as being outside. That's when I learned like, hold up, this is weed. Like, you know, this was that like, for instance, I'm gonna give you an instant like my uncle lefty, rest in peace, God bless him, you know, I don't know him, I feel. But he told me he loved dope. He said, I see my uncle wake up in the morning, me and my sister was Saturday. You know, we wake up, put the card tools on. We wake up real early so we can get all the card tools in. And the next thing I know, I just hear the door. Oh, a lock. Who's that? Oh, that's uncle lefty, he left. Uncle lefty roll out, go buy himself whatever he used to use. So he used to go get his helmet. But when he came back, he went into the bathroom for like a hour and a half. I went like 40 minutes, Johnny. So I used to go and be like, yo, I got a piss, give me a minute, give me a minute, give me a minute. I used to live on a third floor, second floor. I used to go piss out the window. Now I'm saying, my boy, I used to piss in a cup sometimes. We're done with another drain, we're set up a cup or whatever. I'm telling this now 'cause my mom knew back then she would kick her. So the family was drinking out of cups, you pissed in. So when that happened, but once he came out that bathroom, he came out that bathroom to about lit. Woo, all this scream was lit. Fuck happened to him. So I never knew what it was. So I would go to the bathroom. And the toilet bowl was here, the steam was right there. I remember when they I'm using the toilet, whatever. I put my, I kicked the steam and the spoon falls. Boom! What the fuck is that? When I look at the spoon, the spoon is burnt. You understand me? It's a burnt spoon. So I'm like, what the fuck is packed there? When I would look back there, I see a syringe. So now I'm like, what the fuck? Well, this spoon is burnt, what's this needle for? You know, I know the needle for the dog. I know the spoon is for the house to hit. Then I'll go outside and I'll see another dude making the same noises, singing the same music. My uncle is the same. So that's like that. And this sound is familiar. So I started matching them. This sound is familiar. After I'm seeing familiar, I will walk in my building or being around the street. I'll see drug addicts with like the belt on their arm, pulling it with a mouth. Shoot enough. So I seen the needle now. So I'll bring me back like, oh shit. This is the same thing that uncle left these doing. Did you realize that that was the same thing your mom was selling? At that time, I really didn't know my mom was selling that 'cause I really didn't know, but I knew that by him making, I was more curious about not what the white powder was. I was more curious why is he making this noise? 'Cause it was cold January. He'll open the window. He got the hot water on. That's when the hero was heron. And he'll start cleaning and start singing. And my mama come out the room, you know, going crazy like the window be wide open, it's snow coming in the hot water. Close that window to, that forget the screaming on him and all that. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Do you think Puerto Ricans, the drug addict community, do you think they prefer heroin? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In Harlem, the blacks were smoking crack. Can you explain that, right? That's basically the Puerto Ricans love dope. The black man, no disrespect, love crack. And the white man, love the coke. And meth. And meth, I mean, that's more meth. Now that he got like, but, right, right. You know, meth is like more the out of town shit. Yeah, yeah. 'Cause meth really wasn't New York. The three drugs that I know that was hardcore drugs at that time was cocaine, crack, and dope. Like now that error changed now. Now drug addicts do everything. Before you would never get a black man, do no heroin. You would never get, unless he was like a old school black guy from the '80s that was raised around Spanish guys, he did that. The Spanish guy, you could not talk to him about no upper. You could not talk to him about no cope or no crack. Wow. He want the straight, that lean, that drop, that itchy, that scratchy, that you couldn't talk to nobody about that. At all. Now drug addicts, now where I'm from, they do it all in China. They smoke K2, they smoke weed, they smoke crack, they do meth. They, if, if fat, no, dope, coke, crack. If they could use their finger to get them hot, they'd do anything like everything. One thing now, that's why so much people now like, overdose and dying fast, getting tore up fast now in the world. Did you ever try like hard drugs? Not the only thing I ever try in my life. I've done, and I'm going to be honest for the record. I try like a purchase set. I try like smoking dust one time, like that wet shit, that matrix shit, that did that shit. I took XC. Sure. Fun. You know, I smoked weed. I tried like, I wasn't a big cigarette dude. I drunk a little bit. Yeah, right. Okay, so you dodge that, that horror that is drug addiction. It was about me. Like I would never, don't get it wrong. When I was in prison, I was like four seconds from trying to some heroin. But is that I seen the heroin so much in my family? That that shit got me scared, you understand? Like, I just see my uncle coming out the bathroom. Then my aunt Penny, I told you, she was a player. And she got so involved in drugs like heroin and crack that it took up to the next level. That's what scared me, then I had my aunt Nidia. She passed away smoking crack and stuff like that. That looks like a lot of family members over drugs. You know, so I was really scared of them drugs and then I'm like, I know I'm a person that if I like something, I'll go hard. So I was always scared like, god for me, I tried that shit, I like that shit. That shit pulled me in all the way in deep in the water. I always respected that. 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I'm 43-44 they more 50-50 so they ever was the Wu Tang ever. that was the combination made my eyes bleed. that was that woolly shit. that was that cracking weed. woolly blood. woolly blood. there's a small woolly blood. but i never that was like when i came into the game that she was already failing out but my older guys that was raised around me. they were they tell me the story. they used to be smoking man woolly blood. so what year? how old were you when you first started when i started smoking weed or servant? yeah yeah i was young the first drug i ever saw keeping it a hundred she was cracked and it wasn't even my my area. i used to go all the way to go see one of my boys that he was from alan from alanton. like upstate. alanton no you don't know new york alan that's alanton. any from alanton in the Bronx. that's like another section in the Bronx. you know like going towards gun hill or that area type up there. basically we're here nice to go over there. i was young here saying give me i was talking about super young like 12. here's saying give me two packs of crack. it must have been like maybe like 18 bags. four for me and 140 for him. 40 for me 145. that's a good deal for him. but i'm not gonna lie to the way the crack was moving it was crazy because somebody be like give me 30. i just made $80. give me 20. full. i mean i mean $20. you know what i'm saying i'm making 15 but sell more that's 25 a pack. so it was just starting to move so much crack. i used to move man crack. in stand on the corner. how are you doing? i used to be walking around like i knew all the crackheads already. like i mean when i first started he was my boy. so he didn't let just let me like go out there and just burn myself. you know like a lot of customers that he had he would be like you know you know here's so so till i really started getting the floor. yeah then i even had women that used to want to get crack and do you know all type of famous for when he was young. yeah i'm like now i've never been really with that. so i used to just be i used to sell crack like that woman then i used to make my money now when i used to make my money selling the crack. i used to leave and i used to go to wash into heights. i used to go get that purple haze that piff. we sold regular good green weed. so i used to go get that piff and that happened. okay i explained the difference. the difference was that was like the first high grade weed. right. like you know how none of you got rung to think out all these names now whatever that was like the first high grade weed. we had mango pina and they had purple haze. right. that's why they say the home of the haze was washups and heights. right. that's like all of the mannequins is that and all that haze just to come from my hand me a lot of cubans just to have that haze farms over there. they used to bring them farms over there like that sort of haze was fire. people was growing it that she had the ill smell no seas sticky. and this is back in the 90s. this is like going to the 90s. yeah this was like the 90s. so you would take your crack money go to the price money. i rent the i rent the cab the cabs was called OJ they were like luxury cars. so i'll put the guy on hold. i'll put the guy on hold. yo shut up you're gonna want five what you're gonna do from up with y'all for four hours. he might charge twenty twenty dollars an hour. he might be like I what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna charge you 15 hours. so i'm like are you gonna be with me. i'm gonna get you. i'm gonna put you on hold for five hours. here's the hundred dollars. come on drive me over here. go to the hay spot. pull up. he had a nice eddy bar with expedition with the music and then we jump out yo boy yo let me get five bags six bags they give me one. now i go back to my block mind you. there's dudes out there hustling on my block all the dudes and all that. but i'll go out there. i got my money in my pocket. i'll be smoking that hay. he's then the older dude started attracting to me. so what's that? what's that? what's that? so then i will smoke with them and they're like oh that's that gas. then what they do like yo yo yo yo you're somewhere twenty. something or twenty. so i used to pull out. so i'm a twenty. here's a twenty and that. you know this ship five where this from yo this from Sherman. this from vermilia. this from one three eight. this from all over because they still running around all around the hikes. buying weed all around yo take it over take me there. then after this I used to buy the weed. I used to wind up going and and being like yo do me a favor. drop me off here at Jenny's house. drop me off here at sand. drop me here so i just go pull up on girl yo. what y'all doing? oh we in front of the building with my home because i make word. i'm gonna pull up right now. i got me and my man in there. whatever me and my other man and we pull up on a block. pull up on a block. right there. we get a little bottle. we be drinking on somebody else's block like somebody on a turf. and we'll be there when we pull out that weed. it's like oh shit yo. it was something on some of your bang. look well i only got a 20 to sell you so now i started getting leaked. getting name like oh shit yo. he said the hill is he got the hill. so then at one point i used to go and buy like 10 bags out there. so i'll smoke maybe four and sell six bags. yeah. and what was your profit margin? like how much would you buy before i'm would really need what's it really making no profit. i just get my money back. right right right like however we do. i bought it for 20 excuse me. i bought it for 20 and he might if i buy a 20 of them he might be like here take those two 20s for free. right or he might give me a dime or he might be like yo here but he always come through. so hit me off. so now you're starting to build all this clientele in the Bronx from this meeting. you brought a new client telling the Bronx or my block always been a gold mine and we. like my block was a gold mine before me. i'm not even going to sit in a lie. i mean i pertain to it and got it you know i'm one of the pioneers to it but i wasn't only the one. like it was my older guys that were there that i worked for. and in the 90s how was we being trapped in your neighborhood in the Bronx. my wee was being trapped in my neighborhood with you know the gallon bag. yeah. the Ziploc gallon bag. it'll be like that it'd be 13 guys out there with two three hundred bags of weed on them. yo yo yo smoke smoke running to customer. yo yo yo come here come in like they'll see you they'll run to you but like oh shit that's a cop but i already know who you are i'll come through what's up Johnny what's going on with you mom. yo Johnny do me a favor don't come in i'm gonna take my number down call me. you'll be a guy that's coming from upstate you know say let's say white dude you come from a state the bag is this big for $10. so you'll be like yo let me get let me get one hundred two hundred let me get two hundred bags two hundred dime bags is two thousand dollars that you guys that you guys pay a lot less for. yeah but we were by the week that we we was getting for nine hundred eight hundred. right we would sell a pound no more pound you came to the block the buy pound twelve hundred thirteen hundred no matter what. so it was also wholesale spot for other dealers. wow. we're so whole shit but we're so ice of some pounds a week every day like i had customers coming every day like if you came to my block and they seen you they thought you was a cop i took the chance. fuck it if he get me he got me but now if i take the chance and you good you know Johnny do me a favor don't come in no more this shit is mad hot out of you so you don't got to come nobody could snatch you just call me call me before you come in that I'm gonna have a ready for you right. you know i'm over here by the train i mean me right there stay right there give me a pound go bring you the pound how many two pounds or whatever. okay so at this time the sound Bronx was almost like what? - The Freight Dance. - The Freight Dance. - The South Bronx, I'm from Uptown more. - I hope so. - I'm from '93. - So that's like from like East. I'm from Uptown, South Bronx is downtown. - So you're more, it's more affluent where you're from. - Yeah, I start as ghetto as a South Bronx. - No, I mean, the South Bronx is real ghetto, ghetto, ghetto, 'cause they always say it's ghetto, 'cause they had the burnt down buildings and all. - Right. - But when we come from, we come from Kings Bridge and for them. - Right. - That's a little going up more. Going up more, it gets a little more clear. It starts clearing up. - So it's not problem. - What a smoke is in the South Bronx, no disrespect. But when you keep going up, it gets a little clear, but it was still smoking my block. My block was with the biggest weed spot in the Bronx. - Okay, so your block was to weed at this time, what like free race or cocaine was to like Washington Heights in the 80s. - In the 80s. - Everybody could come up there dealers or users and get hit off. Wow, that's fascinating. And so you're just like a teenager doing this. - The boy. - That's why. - I wasn't even a teenager yet. I was a boy. - But you're really good at this. I was 12 years old already, but the things was, I was with the hitters. I've always been young fly. Even when I was a son in my mom who would get her check and buy me Jordan's. And I'm saying always, always dead. Like my sisters was always fly. So I used to take my sister's clothes, tell you the truth for the record. And get fly 'cause my sister's always began flying my sister Christy. So I used to check like a symbol in Jack and it's with him to school. She had like that preppy look before, you know what the, that's when I was out, Banana Republic, Gap, all that my sister's to wear the little polo hat with all her teeth, with the jacket around her. But you know that was like boys and girls just to wear that, tries to wear my sister's shirt, run home, taking off who's shit, put it away. - Now you're still wearing girl's shit. 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So I was at the go to nobody, like the guys that was giving me the weed that sell, we have massive weed. So I had customers that would call me. Yo, I'm coming from upstate New York. Yo, I'm coming from Connecticut. I'm coming from Connecticut. Yo, I need three pounds. I'm like, yo, don't come to the block. The shit is hot, I would lie to them. Don't come to the block, meet me by the McDonald's because I didn't want nobody to get my customer, 'cause if they get my customer, they'd tell me, I could give you a better number. Well, I've gone from it. He did come by mistake and I wasn't dead. And they give him, yo, how much you paying? Or I'm paying $13,000, $1400. All right, I'm gonna give it to you for 12. You erase money, but write out your phone. So I always been like a young smart, you know, lair. Oh, no, no, no, no, don't go over this. Hot over there, the police did. They catch with that money, they're gonna take it. Then I had white ways. They used to come see me buy 400 dimes from me. 400 dimes is $4,000 when they could have bought two pounds. For $1100. And their money's good. And your money's good. So what I used to do was I used to tell the older dudes on my block, let's say like, you was one of my older dudes. I'd be like, yo, I got a customer 'cause we used to sell wholesale. So I knew you was coming already tomorrow. I used to take their own money, make me grind me, but this is a rank you'll go through, you know? It is what it is. They probably know now by the time this goes. But I used to take their money. Like I sold so much weed, I had so much client sale. - And you're working off the pager? - I'm working with them. - That's when I had the motor roller pager, the two-way pager, I had the next tail. And I had a cell phone. One man has raised a little skinny boot phone when they came out, or a tenter phone. - This is wild at such a young age. And your guys are getting work from the West Coast. - They get in work from the West Coast, from Arizona. If you was bringing work, you were from Texas. Wherever you was at, you really wanted to deal with my guys. Because my guys wasn't like, they didn't rob, we never robbed nobody. That's why we always made a name. We wasn't robbers on my block. Like my guys was money for money, money for money. You bring the product, we sell it. You bought us a hundred pounds, here's your hundred thousand. - And it would bring you different connects from out of town would bring you different types, right? - It would be different connects. Sometimes another dude might come and be like, "Yo, what's up, I got some pounds, wait, let me see." "All right, how many you got?" I got 50, let me see what you want for them. I want a thousand, now we're gonna give you eight for them. All right, cash out, boom, give me no 50. Then after the time he working with you already, you like, damn, I just gave, I sold, don't fit the, and I gave Frankie 50, and he taking man long, and he got fucked up, I'm not even no fucking Frankie no more. Let me just drop everything on dumb. So when my customers should be like, "Yo, I want 200 dimes, 100 dimes." A hundred dimes is a thousand dollars. I used to make that shit with a half a pound a week. - Yeah. - That was worth $500. 'Cause I used to get it $4,000 a pound. So what I would do was I'd go to them with the bag, they gave me bags like, I used to get stashes, packs of weed. They would give me a $7,000 bundle to knock down whatever it took me here. There's 7,000 there. But I'm selling weed, selling weed, selling weed, selling weed. People come for half a ounce. I'd grab five, I'd charge them $70, five half a ounce. I'd grab five bags, put it in a ziplock bag. Here, half a ounce, give me that 70. What you want? Half a ounce here. Well, girls just coming to the block. Beautiful girls, whatever. Oh, she's so young, she's something. I've always been fly. And I'm saying that so when they say drop or whatever, the world knows this, I've always been fly since young. So I've always dressed good since young. So I ran through every epic you could see about clothing. I ran the iceberg epic. I was the iceberg king at a young age. I ran the cool G when big. He was wearing cool G with a Versace glasses. I've done all the errors addressing. Remember, I lived home with mine. So I was getting money and just getting fly at one time, getting money, getting fly. 'Til I started getting money, getting money, getting money. And then after being fly, you know, once you fly, now comes the girls. So now I was getting fly because I'm not paying no rent. Now I'm getting the girls. And then I'm just going up the level. Your mom, let's see what's going on, right? My mom had one time, when I started really shaking, my mom wasn't shaking no more. My mom was out the game already. Like, you know, my mom's fell off a little bit. My mom was on public assistance. She was more like left that shit alone 'cause she didn't want to go to jail. She didn't want it. And that's when like BCW was around child. We don't protect her, whatever they take the kids away. So my mom fell back from that. But then my mom's, I used to sell outside. But when I used to do the crack like I was telling you, I used to sell crack and bring by sneakers. There was a store where we was from McDonald's called the Olympic tab. They used to have all the sneakers in here. So my mom used to buy me sneakers every month when a regular check, you know regular public assistance check. Like I always had Jordan's every month. Once a month, I'm going to five pair of sneakers here. Here, here, every once in a month my mom's giving me. But now with that now, you know, you don't want sneakers. You won't burn them shit silent one month. So I used to be hustling. And I used to throw out the boxes for the sneakers. But like, look, mom, Johnny just gave me these sneakers for helping them whatever one pair of sneakers. Mom, Jack, three pair, four pair, eight pair, twop. I was sneakers then. Now, instead of them, my mom having to buy me sneakers when I would get that sneaker money, that she would get her check every month. And I had to buy new sneakers. Now I'll start buying jeans, shirts, matches, shit. Did she know what was going on? No, she didn't know what was going on. Yeah, but my mom's was a stupid course. Then she started smelling the coffee. And one day she found a pack. And I'm looking for the way. And she's acting like she don't know what's going on. So I'm like, oh my God, what am I gonna do now? How to pay these people this money? Like, oh shit, you know, 'cause I came up with that. But like, if you play with that money, it'll happen to you. Yeah. Now, well, fuckers, no B like that, Tony. Well, fuckers, no God, no loyalty, no respect, no dinghy, no honor, no shit. So I'm like, it got such a thing that I'm like, she's like, what you looking for? I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, mom, I'm looking for this guy on Johnny's weed or whatever, she's like, Johnny's weed. Well, you know what I mean? Well, you got weeded? I'm like, yo, my God, like I left this right here. And this hamper. I put the weed in the hamper. And when I'm going to school, when I come back to work, she won't know. She won't have to take the clothes off. and this is what that raw wee. And then she grabbed the wee. I'm like, "Yo, ma, please, ma." And like this ain't mine. She gave me the wholeness. He gave me the sneakers for that. She like, "For what we gonna go to Johnny?" And I said, "No, you crazy. We can't go to Johnny, whatever." But my mom was always gazed, you know what I'm saying? So she like, "Look, I'm a t-shirt." Just what you're looking for, I'm like, "Oh shit." She like, "Don't ever bring that in my house again." I'm like, "All right, ma, I'm sorry. I just didn't get any look." So she still didn't know I was peddling. Then I was, that's when I was in the crack. Then from there, the guys from my block, they already knew I was selling crack. And they sold mega wee. So they went to my mom's like, "Look, ma'am, "steadily him going to selling the wee on the block." Sending him going to sell crack or whatever he's doing. 'Cause she already knew now. She came to crack two times. She asked, "Sending him selling crack on another block, "a couple blocks away from where I'm from, "you might as well keep him here with us. "He's only selling wee, and you can watch him. "I mean, you know he's our little bro, "we're gonna take care of him." Wow. So I guess, she lay, oh, it makes sense. Yeah, sounds like a good deal, a better deal. And then my mom's like in a real substance abuse too, you know what I'm saying? So, but never like substance abuse, like she was on the street, like getting all crazy, whatever, my mom's, if my mom's didn't get high, my mom's got high, like to herself. Like her own shirt, her bills is always paid. Her kids was always good. It should be a house. She wouldn't be with running around with crackheads. We're gonna take a crackhead bent to my house today. My mom's never done that. So you're like flagging down cars, cars are flagging down to you. You're getting pages, your beach breepers going off. My mom was like a, like, you ever been a time squid? Yeah. You know, in the New Year ball gun drop for New Year's, my block was like that. You can't ask anybody. You can't even ask my boy, Ali Al, that we go from high school, we come from junior high school. My block, like the older guys from his block, that were gangsters that's so crackhead, whatever. They were, everybody came to my, in my vicinity. You know, that's the federal word they use. We control drug organizations in the vicinity. Everybody came to the mango being our block. I'm talking about Jersey cars. You know, let me get 40 doms. I used to have white boys come to the car. Be like, let me get 10 doms and pull out a fake badge. I run from them. Oh, shit. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm gonna take out the red bottles. No bottles. Jump in the car, try to chase them down. Like the block was like, I'm talking about pumping like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna bag this big 200 bags of weed. It's crazy. 200 bags at one point I had doms, nickels, and 20s in a gallon bag. And that was, let me get three 20s here. That's $60. Let me get a half ounce. Hold on, running the building real quick. I walk around with ziplock bags in my jacket. Pull out the ziplock real quick. Make them half ounce here. Here's the half ounce. Give me that 70. What you want? 11 doms. What you want 15 and we bumping and tackin' in each other. Crazy. Customers are pull up. You pull up on my block. Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's my man, Johnny. Johnny. What you want? What you want? What you want? Johnny, don't get that. We all had the same weed. Don't get that. That's garbage. Cutting throw everything on the block. Like the black, this shit was like a movie. Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like the crack era. It was a movie. It was a crack. Never but we. The crack ever, they came militant. I'm talking about we were jumping over cars. Come in the cops. Oh, shit. That's the cops. Boom. Jump out. Running on them. Running on them. I'd rise to fly in the cops. All right. Yeah. Did you ever catch a case when you were a corner kid? Oh. You got the bottle I got under covers and shit? I don't. We running and gun is so much that I don't put my whole head in the car. Yo, what you want? Hey. Come in. Cuff me and know all that. Oh, shit. They got me. Like that. Like I'm talking about. I ran on top of the cop car to sell them weed. Yeah. And when I would look, I'm like, oh, shit, that's Officer. Yeah. Officer asshole. Oh, shit. Run on them. And up the high and wait. But three o'clock to his toes over to come back out to work because he was looking for me. But a weed charge is a minor. A weed charge is bullshit. I had six sales a weed at one time. I'll get caught. They'll take me to like, then they said undercover cops. Let me get five bags here and take the five bags. And five minutes later, they bitch that shit like cause everywhere. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Next thing I know I go, you got caught with 50 bags, 1100 in my pocket in the sale of marijuana. Paul, release on your own recurrent, it's all in all. And so I have five of those five sales a weed less than, if the block was hot, I had probably five sales less than 30 days. Yeah. So I get in the parking ticket. Yeah. But at least the parking ticket, they told your car. Yeah. Now, before they couldn't show me, and when they would get me finally, after all the charges, I would give them $1,000 bail. My big guys would get me right out. And I'll be, I'll get out of jail. And say I had to go, cause you had to go to the system. I don't know how it is over there, but over here, you go to the system in New York. When you go to the system in New York, you come right out after you've seen the, the judge, whatever. They'll be like, oh, we're going to give you, at that time they used to give community service. You got to go clean the parks, you don't give you three days, you got to clean the parks. So I'll go clean the parks. I have even that old smash because when I used to go clean the parks, the dude that cleaned the park was a, well, God, I probably got high. I'm like, yo, here, man, take this $60, sign me for them three weeks, I have to go every Saturday for duty. Yeah, take that, we take that money, show you sign me in and do the sign like I went. And I'll be out there. The day I was supposed to do, the day I was supposed to be doing the community service, I get locked up and get a sale. Yeah. But so it's nothing. You're not getting punished. No, you ain't really getting punished. And then it was like, after so many times of being like that, then they give me $1,000 for my guys. Remember I'm making so much money for them that they would never leave me in jail. Leave him in jail. Crazy. You think you were the number one sales guy as a kid for the, of the other kids? I mean, they was, they was different levels. Like you maybe had a older group that was a little older, but I was at one point. I was the number one. I went, I did have a clientele. There was like my guy shout out to my man, Smitty, white boy, raised with us. He raised me like, not raised me because my mom don't like me to say that. He raised me. But he took care of me. Boy, that white boy has so many customers. He used to ride roller blades. Imagine selling wheat on roller blades coming over caught, coming right here, selling massive wheat. That kids so massive wheat. But that's the one that I was like, you know, he sold the wheat and I was right, right behind him. And basically, I got the next torch. And I've been the number one seller as a young kid out there. At one point, as you started to get older, at one point, did you then start to own the weed that was getting shit? Basically, I put in like with us, I'm talking about me because everybody else got different stories of themselves because it wasn't only me out there. Of course not. It was a bunch of us. But as a me, I got the torch because I used to work for my one guy, wrestling piece, Blue. That was the one that I told you that brought daddy Yankee. He actually brought the reggaethon to our town area. He was a kid from Puerto Rico. He came over here and as he got over here, he just started blowing up, getting money, getting money. I was like his, how they used to say, oh, that's his son. He used to take care of me basically. So they used to all be jealous. But this is why I hear him today because he taught me a lot of good qualities and a lot of good morals and respect and honor and dignity and always told me never to be a rat. You played his game, you're on rat, homey no matter what it is. So I learned a lot from him, you know what I'm saying? He was one that I used to work for him and he showed me, gave me, he gave me the rock like as in, I got you homey, do what you do, I got you. So he was the one I used to me. That's how I got good because I was a kid. Some people out of the cops on my eye and care. The cops was around, get the cops on my nose, see them, everybody go, go, go, go, go, go. I'm out there selling. Kill it. And he was one that showed me that when I got the torch, how you treat people and how you do the people because there was like dudes out there that you would get locked up for them and they wouldn't bail you out. Like their honor was bad. When you say ran the block or had the torch, what did that look like? Was it a guy that had the bank roll to buy it from the connect and then a bunch of little guys like you serving it? It wasn't only little guys. Okay. He had grown and smear working from everybody working from older than him to young kids working for him. He had the bank roll. He was basically the one that the connect came and gave him the hundred pounds of weed. Right. And he'll go and distribute, you know, I take that five, you know, all the guys that was shooting, whatever. You take that five, you take that five, make someone to get yourself some work as boholytoles with me. So I had access to everything with him, just a man's, if I needed to, like all the other guys, I used to have to sneak and they would piece of shit. Anyway, some of them because came out to be rats anyway. So fuck them. But like Johnny has in him, I didn't have to do no trick to him because he gave me the land. Go, go, go, go. Do what you do. Just I couldn't just take my own weed and bag it up at that time. You know, but if I needed a customer full pound of weed, matter of fact, I'm getting it for not. I'm getting it for eight. take it for nine, not 50. Now I don't got to do no trick because I'm sending it for 13, 14. I'm making three, four hundred or four pounds. I'm so four, five pounds a one day. Plus I sell 200 bags. - Killin' it. - And for the record, they know I'm not lying. 'Cause the girls that dealt with me, know they all got McDonald's, they all got everything when I was out there as a young guy. (laughing) - Splurge on these house. - Well, ladies, sorry, sorry. So then how did you move up to finally become that guy? - Basically got up because I showed him my loyal treatness. - Explain that a little more. - What do you mean? - Like, basically, if me and him were together, right? And we was going to give 50 pounds, let's say from uptown, from the Jamaicans. And the cops caught us, that's mine. I wouldn't let him go to jail because he's the one with the money. What the fuck am I to let him go to jail? If he goes to jail, then what happens? We stop eating. So I was taught, and I was brought up. They couldn't do nothing to me anyway. If they caught me with 10 pounds of weed, they was gonna take me, grab me by the wrist, take me to the priest and handcuff me. You know, we know that weed is Johnny's. We know that weed is not Johnny's, that's my weed. They don't give a fuck if they knew that the weed was Johnny's or whatever. - So you guys, he would take you to go re-up? - Yeah, yeah, he would take me when I'm like, but he wouldn't take everybody, he just trusted me. - Who were some of your connects in New York? All type of connects. I had white boys. He just has so many different plots. - When did the weed start becoming better? Like when did the purple haze era start to come in? - Like when they hit Manhattan, but that had fought with us. Because that was Manhattan and we had the green. We had the best green weed that was existed in the Bronx. It was so crazy that we started, we named the weed Mangu Pena. And you had Jamaicans, they used to come to our block and be like, you only got a hundred pounds of Mangu Pena. We looking at them, they're like, you got what? All right, let me see what it is. How much you want for that? And he'll be like, now we got Arya and we got Mangu Pena bro. And our mind, I said this. They had no such thing as Mangu Pena. That was a name that came from Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican kids came to our block. They had warrants or whatever they did over there. Puerto Rico and their side, they ran. If they killed somebody that came over here or somebody looking for them, they'd kill them, they ran to New York and they would be Spanish dudes like I told you that was into their take them Xanax and all that shit and beer and be out there while in Mangu, Mangu, Mangu, Mangu, Mangu. 'Cause they came and said, we, we, we, we, we, we. 'Cause the cops will stop. So they started saying Mangu, Mangu, Mangu, Mangu Pena, Mangu Pena, Mangu Pena, Mangu. And that shit just started sticking. A year, that two years and that, that shit just spreaded like a wildfire. So that was the brand. That was the brand. That was like the name that we went. Like how they got the ween out at the end. Maybe got some ween and they lay me, let me curse you on this dad. Birthday cake, whatever. Birthday cake, but we had birthday cake before they even knew about birthday cake. It was just Mangu, Pena. So that was our name, Mangu, Pena. By us having that Mangu, Pena name. Everybody was like, yo, Mangu, Mangu. But when you'll come to the block, it was different than everybody 'cause the Jamaican sort of saying we. But they were some little bags like this for $4 dollars, $10 dollars. We sold it as 2020s for the record. Big ass bags like this, limo bags for $10 dollars. I would tell somebody, well, you know what I have? I have a bank like hell, no. I'm gonna buy these from 10 off of you and I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go upstate back to school and I'm gonna study shit for 30 of bags. Give me 200 bags. College kids. I had college kids. Then the reason why I was so good because those colleges came, I could've robbed them. But at that time, I wouldn't even think about that. Why would I rob you, Johnny, for $2,000 in you don't come back? If you bought $2,000 off me now and I gave you the right shit when you would go back to school, now you came in both $4,000. - So you think Mangu, Pena was the most popular strain in the Bronx? - At one time. - At one time. - And you said, like, Daddy Yankee was working on your block before he blew up. - Daddy Yankee was on our block. They was already known as Daddy Yankee and them. Nicky Yankee and Yankee was a duel, they were together. Like I told you, Nicky Yanke was a guy. He always been a playboy since young. He used to fuck everybody and anybody's girl he didn't care what it was. So he fucked the guy's girl and you know what I'm saying? In Puerto Rico, the guy was like a young, a young killer and he was behind Yankee for fuck, I mean, Nicky for fuck in his baby months. Now after he was behind Nicky for fuck in his baby moms, he knew that Yankee used to be with him. So any one of y'all get on his own with Charlie and over there they off your head. So he had to break out. When he broke out and Daddy Yankee had to break out and Nicky had to break out. But at that time, my man was having so much when he was making a compilation album. He was grabbing all the rappers here, paying them here, paying them here, paying them, paying them, paying them. But he didn't win that basically. You ever heard a thing or kind of don't? He's the one that actually put thing on his first, first shit is on my man CD, Rest in Peace, that's called Booty, and why? Pay them. Here's this money. Here's this money. Let me get that. Oh, I got the guy you got to pay him. How much you want for the song? I want $5,000 and my guy that's doing to me, $1,000, $2,000. All right, here's $7,000 for that song. Let me get that. You don't see nothing of that. Go that on. Let me get this album, go that on. So they were making money with the music, but then still selling weed? No, no, no, they fell off, they fell off. After that happened, they fell off. They came to New York, they wasn't doing nothing. Now, when they doing nothing, my man had them sleeping in a crib, Yankee, Yankee was, Yankee, Yankee was outside. I ain't even gonna lie to him. He was like one of us. He was on board, she takes a pussy. You don't even care about that, he was on it. Yankee was a little more humble. So they had Yankee like on a table here, back that up, but that nigga's I don't even care if they know what. Them niggas were sleeping with 150 pounds, 200 pounds in their apartment at one time. Straight up. Wow. That's wild. Another big huge reggaeton sauce. No, they big reggaeton's, they owe that. But they're on the block. And we got the stash. On the block, in the stash, I was Nikki was outside pitching. Nikki used to be outside, running with us. Got locked up in all that Nikki on the block. Nikki was on the block with us, pitching, bo, bo, bo, bo, bo. Out there, this girl shit, that's Nikki fucking that girl. In order to club this girl, like here's a playboy. Now he's more calm, God bless him. Shout out to my man, Nikki. He made it. OK, so how you start getting older, tell us how it evolved until like the late 90s, the 2000s, what happened? We'll evolve with me. Basically, as the we started coming as I came along was now I'm doing all these things like our children proven to them. So my boy, any problem will happen. I was quick to run upstairs. Go get the gun. If you fucked with him, I was shooting him. Did you have to shoot people? I mean, if I had to, I've gained some out. I never did, but if I had to, I would. I would have, if I had to kill somebody, I would have. Because at that time, I'm like, I'm 15, 16 years old. If I kill somebody, I get 20 years, I'll be back. I went up 30 years old. That's why now you know, it's old for me there, but that way. At that time, that was basically my mentality. And he backed me up so much. And I said, you know, even if I go to jail for 20 years, and he's around, he know, hold me down for 20 years. That's how loyal you were to your cat. That's how loyal I was to him. He was the boss, basically, one of the bosses. The rollerblader. No, the rollerbader was just a worker, but he was the one that raised me. Gotcha. Gotcha. The rollerbader just did his thing. And then I'm the one that made my rank up, like he was the top world. I made my rank from the top workers to being a boss on questions and being on the indictment as a boss. Okay. So who was the boss that you were essentially this loyal to? I worked. I worked this loyal. Yeah. This loyal one. Yeah. Yeah. When I was loyal, too, was one man, Lou. He was like, he was called pretty Lou Bonitillo. He was the playboy. He had all the baddest girls that was on the block. If there was this girl down the block, that was fly he had them. If it was a Spanish girl that was up on the middle of the block, he had it. If there was another girl on the corner, he had all the flyers girls in that area, he had them. And the playboy, good looking kid, talking about jewelry, real jewelry, big shit like, you know what I'm saying? They don't wear that jewelry no more. I mean, now they wear it in the butt. He was one with the big Jesus head, Rolex on, diamond earrings, fly every day, birthday fly. It was his birthday every day, always fly sneakers, clothes, always shaved everything. Drug kingpin, man. Drug kingpin basic. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So how did you become the boss? I basically became the boss because I was so loyal to him and he started doing the music. When he started doing the music, he started getting into like, there was another dude that was a boss that he's a rat, right? He did his first bit and then a rat. Then when we got caught up in the feds, he rat it. So that dude was a boss, that dude whined up to get locked up to do time. When he went to do time, my man Lou held it down, had everything. So this dude that was locked up, my man Lou was taking care of him and his family. But he started wanting too much, Johnny. And he started throwing a lot of comments. And my man said, he was already making wild money. And now he starts fucking around with the coke and all. like he getting money now, getting money, getting money, getting money now. Now once he started getting so much money now, he like, I don't want this dude to come home and I have to kill him. So he said, you know what I'm going to do? Now he went to Puerto Rico and won the meeting like a final, because he was a playboy. I'm sure there's a playboy. He met nothing but fine women, but now he met one of the models for cover girl Puerto Rico. So he was open on the girl. He walked in, he went to Puerto Rico all the time before he said, now go because they had some beef out there, but the beef got took and care. So now he's back in Puerto Rico, that's his way he's from. Remember he had to leave there. So now he's back where he's from with this money. He's retired almost. Basically he's like, you know what, before this nigga come over here and fuck my shit up Johnny, I'm going to do this, you I'm leaving. So when he was leaving, I used to go to Puerto Rico with him at that time. He started liking Puerto Rico a lot. We used to go over there, see the rappers, take the rappers out, he used to bring them to the studio. What you want? Like if you was a rapper that you was like on top right now, popping, he'll be like, all depending on how your status was, all right, right now you're popping right now. You the hottest shit in Puerto Rico right now, and I'm going to give you $8,000 to record for me. And I'm going to give you $2,000 for the beat, that's $10,000. So you'll take the $10,000, let's say if you was Daddy Yankee or whatever, you'd be like a right here, $2,000 to God, I mean the beat for you and $8,000 for your pocket. But you don't get no more money off of that. You don't get no money off that song, and he might let you use the song if you came with the album, well, depending on what you did. But that is his song. You got $8,000 Johnny for that song for him. So as he started going back and forth, remember, he's getting, we're not before, where he was at, where he was at, young, he out there, like does a storm out there. Now he's getting money. Now he's staying and go hold terms. He's going out there, attention. He meets the cover girl. And he meets the cover girl. He starts staying out there. He was already like, oh, I'm going to buy me a crib out here. He's already getting located. Now he here in rumors from this dude, hearing a lot of bullshit from this dude. Once he comes home from prison, he's going to talk to me. Was he going, we might try to get crazy about the talk shit or whatever. Even though the nigga that was in jail, he was dead pussy, like he was only tough because he was around more fuckers that he was with. I'm saying, it was the niggas that he was with because he was pussy. He was never tough. He just had people around him that put in work because of the loyalty and this, how he raised. So he was like, yo, before I get into a problem or his certain comments, because you know, you can't make sure in comments about people, you make a comment about you or kill someone, they'll come and kill you. So he said before any of the comments or whatever, he was looking out for pain, his rent, giving his wife to everything, what the fuck more you want, bro, you ain't outside. But he wanted more, more, more, so he's like, look, I'm going to do this. He said, I guess he was already like, position himself in Puerto Rico. He calls me one day, yo, who lead the way you at? I'm like, yo, my mom says, he's like, yo, meet me over here by an apartment we had. So I go to the apartment, when I go to the apartment, he brings me upstairs. He rolled up. I was young. I rolled up. Mind you, this dude just to leave me in the house with a million dollars. And tell me, don't open the door to nobody. I don't care if my mother knocked on the door. That door, you don't open for nothing in the work. You see this key? I got the key. He would be like, get whatever girl you got, come in the crib. Buy whatever you got to buy in a store like you do not open this crib. Lift up the gun right there. If you see a nigga breaking in the head, stop firing at the door. I will call you. So when you hit the door open, you don't fire. Shoot at me. The chest, I'm talking about a chest, like a chest, stacks 2020, 2020, 2020, 50, 50, 50. I'm talking about nobody. He'll lock me in that crib, put the chain on, put everything on it. So I knew that it was him because he'll open the door. And when he would push the door, he like, yo, yo, holito and I'll look and I'll see him and I'll push the door. And I'll look like and he said, make sure he was come because somebody could try to grab me and bring me to the apartment. How long would you be in the apartment for me in the apartment from like, he'll leave me about like 10 o'clock at night or you know, he'll be chilling with me there. He'll tell me, go, go show you. Stay here. Don't show nobody that money or nothing. The chest was in the room. It was in one bedroom. So I stayed. They had the big plasma tunnel for the lights. And I'm sad. I'd be smoking TV with the girl. So you were just the right hand man like you, you were loyal to him. He can trust you with anything. Yeah. Yeah. He trust me with everything. Okay. So continue. So now he calls you. And he tells me, look, bro, I'm going to tell you something. I mean, what's up? You're like going out of here. I'm like, my heart broke. You out of here. Where were you? Where were we going? He like, nah. I'm out. I'm going to Puerto Rico. There's that. I said, well, what happened, and he explained to me, you know, I'm already doing what I'm doing. He was a big producer. I mean, he was getting money. His album, whatever. Plus, he was really getting away for a week because he was playing with them situations. Everybody. The squares. So squares. He was getting away from that already. So he said, look, bro, I'm going to tell you something. I don't want to have to. Because I don't want it to finish like that. But I'm going to tell you something. My spot that I got out here. You got it now. I'm like, what? What you mean? He like, right now, my spot that I got out here is yours. He went, got to pull it out of bag and said, kid, he just started. He had these six pounds of weight. At that time, I didn't play with no coke or none of that. Like, I ain't no none about that. I'm the one that laid on. I got it to the mix with that. He like, take this weight, tape is gone. So you know how they said, I had to earn my glasses, earn my spot. Some niggas didn't earn. They spot out there. That's why the niggas came up to be rats because they brothers weren't crying. Oh, let my brother sell his weed out here. I really had no big brother that was out there shaking. You dig what I'm saying? So basically, it was like that with me. That's why I came up so then they saw a facial. He said, look, you right now, he could have put anybody. He said, first and foremost, you from here, you don't put on. You've been next to me and I'm like, girl, are you serious or you want me to just take the weed and sell it? I'll take half and give him. No, no, no, no, I don't want nothing. But the only thing I want you to guarantee me told me just like this, Johnny, I swear to God, he's up there looking at me right now, talking to you. He said, the only thing I want you to guarantee me that if anything ever happens to me, I could come back over here and get money. I said, you know what? You 100% right? I gave him a heart. Kiss him. Wow. He gave me the pounds of weed. He didn't leave yet. Right. Right. He said, take that weed. I didn't have no money. I ain't had no stash. Nothing. I was like, yeah, come on. My name is Stakeys. How old were you at this point? Like 16. I just came out of D.F. Why? Remember, I was 12 years old. I got locked up from 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, I did three years in juvenile. But when I came out of juvenile, the world knows I was belting them niggas outside Johnny. Hand game was crazy. What did you go down for? I got down for a type of shit. I was in school. They called me with $800. They're like family. Court took me for my mom's and put me like anything. Then I got called for weed. And I had so many cases that they put like my mom's kind of really, and I did three years in that juvenile defect. It was juvenile. And even though I'm D.J. division for youth, that was like little young spar footing, you know, we're out of letting young kids, but four out of less than, why? So this is why I had the jail bit, and that was when he said, "Young kid, that's why I learned how to fight. That's when you used to fight the staff like your size throw you on the floor, give you rug burrs, like doing. You want to lose the privileges. That's when I know how to be a solitary, how to, why am I going to play with, find out. And then after that, two weeks of that, you want time off or two, then you come back out. You can deal with the population deal with whatever you be with. But no lie, that's how it was. But when I came out at 16 already, remember I was in there fighting with, I'm from the Bronx, I'm in Spanish. I was fighting with Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, black, white, because remember over there, you in New York City, so you in New York City, you had a lot of the white kids, the baddest white kids coming from upstate. You know, bad motherfuckers, they're all saying light up houses, all that crazy shit. Killer cats. Yeah. They were not even, the motherfuckers were doing drugs that I didn't even know they do day. Yeah. So I'm like, yo, yeah, I was taking a strip without you taking a strip of that 12, 13. Yeah, I'm taking acid and all types of crystal meth, I ain't never know what the fuck that was. So when you do the street game and then you learned the jail game in a jail game, because I was smaller, but I was young and my dad was always ending out a jail. My dad is like a store called jailer, like my dad see me as phases. You know, my dad see me when I was like, like, like I was five, then he did a five year big came home. I'm 10, then he came home, I'm 17, 18 after that, my man. Fuck out of you. Can't tell me nothing. This is what I'm doing. I'm in there. Yeah. So I was growing up like that. So when he gave me everything, he said here. So I basically didn't know what to do. I didn't even know how many bag up we said, this is what you're going to do. You want to take it. But I really know about the ounce quarter pound, half a pound, I really know what that's it. He's like, you're going to take this pound. and you're gonna take this little zip lock bag, put it in the sandwich bag. 'Cause the sandwich bag, if you fill it up with the Arizona more or less, you're gonna hit as a quarter pound. So he would like stuff that, take that quarter pound, but don't take all the shake and leave the shake to the end. Take everything out, make a more even, the shake that's left, put it on for them, and bag them up by quarter pounds. So I'll bag up by quarter pounds. And then I learned that you make more money for dons than making more for nickels. 'Cause the nickels was like this low, limo bags. And then the dons is like this, right? So make straight dons. So I face to make straight dons. I used to work for other guys back then. And I used to even work for another motherfucker. That's a rat too. And I'm saying, so he was the one like, his brother went crying to the other rat that was a boss. Yo, let my brother sell, let my brother get his pound of weed. So then after that, I'm like, man, I've been on my life pitching for motherfuckers. You know what, I don't want no work. I don't want nobody, Johnny. Like I'm gonna bag my own shit up. I used to bag all my shit up by myself and go out there and smoke the bull, bull, bull, bull, bull, bull, bull. For a minute. And then after that, I started coming up, coming up. But I always had my best friend, Ralphie. He passed away on me, you know what I'm saying? God bless me, daughter Lupus. He was a motherfucker. He was a bad motherfucker. I'm talking about me. Like he used to be grown men up when we was in like mean. But he was always in the out of jail. So I would have him, you know, he'll manage the block for me. He'll eat with me, he'll be eating. Then he'll go, once we end the block eating, I'll stand the block. He was when he'll go chill on another block with a gun, let some shots go and wind up getting the case for being over there. Me, it wasn't me. I was on my block for this. Okay, so you do hire all these workers. Okay, so you got the, and then did Lou give you his connects to? Well, I already knew the connect. All right, because you can go on around with it. I was going around with it. Right. And they already knew me. I knew a lot of them because they were Jamaican. I would play dice with some of them. I would play Pogo with some of them. Yeah. I would gamble with a lot of them. But I really knew all the connects because he'll take me. So, and then did Lou go back to Puerto Rico? They went back to Puerto Rico. Wow. Now when he went back to Puerto Rico, he was out there for a while. They want him to get caught up in the news for like three hundred pounds a week. So he was dealing with weed on the island? Yeah, like after a while, after a while, like they, he started making way more money because he was doing a Texas. Okay. And he's to get that bullshit away from Texas. Okay. So the little, the little, yeah, that fucking Bama, we call that. That Bama, you know, that Bama, she didn't get that Bama, but in Puerto Rico, you can't get no weed. So remember the weed used to come like this, that little shit for 300 to 50. It just had to be green for him. He put 500 them from Texas. Yeah. And then you know the Mexico over there. They want to get rid of that. Actually, matter of fact, you buy how many two hundred, take another two hundred and he'll put them. She's on the island. Now when he put them on the island, he will do all the tough areas. Yo, what's up? What you want? I'm about 50. Take a hundred. I'm about 50. Take a hundred. That's crazy. I had no idea there was a market for Mexican weed on the Puerto Rico. You can't get no weed over there. That shit is garbage. But it can't. It's hard to get weed on a different island. That's a different joint. So what they used to do was he started to connect. He used to have to connect from Texas to Puerto Rico. They put that shit on the bar. Did you want to shit? They put that shit on the airplane. They had a bitch that used to put that shit, come through and wrap that shit, put oil for the dogs or types of shit, transporting that shit to all ways. They used to take cars, like vans, cheap ads, vans, fill them shut up, cut the dad's take, fill the whole gas tank up a wheel and ship the car to Puerto Rico, pay whatever it was. And that car got there when you received it, come in. 200, 300, 400 pounds, two cars were five and five and a thousand pounds. All right, so Luke didn't get out of the game at all. No, he got out there. He was doing that for quite a while. It's like, it never really got out the game because he's always so used to what his ideas are making him want. So meanwhile, you're back here in the Bronx. How did you grow the business from six pounds to. Probably now, I used to waste all six pounds, have no money for no weed, no nitrogen making give me 10, just the name of the block and the name of me. He had take 10 pounds and I'll take them 10 pounds so five real quick, which is what you got for me. Shifting. How much would you got for me? I got 10 pounds. I'm about five from you. Give me 10. Here. Take that five thousand from Dred. Here. Give it to Ross. Give me 10 pounds. Give me 10 pounds. Give me 10 pounds. I got the block. You already know I got the block. You're coming to you trying to dump work off to you. It was company work on me. I was taking everything. It was bullshit and it was times like, oh, shit, I'm going to have to take this bullshit. Go sell it to Franky real quick for bullshit. Take that money. Take that money. Bring it to Ross. Give Ross the 10,000. Ross is going to give me 30 pounds. After I take that 30 pounds, I'll go and shift up over here, give back to Dred. Here's your 10 pounds of bullshit. You gave me, oh, man, that shit is bullshit. Don't leave me that weed no more. But I already made it come up on. I remember the droughts. I'm old enough. I'm your age kind of. Do you remember the drought season? Were there any droughts? Well, it was so crazy because even if I found some weed that I'm making, I made me six months ago. He couldn't get out. Like, I had everybody. But I remember that drought. I used to run around from here today. What's up? You guys said, let me see it. Not that shit. Two garbage. Let me see. I got that. Yo, how much you want for that? I want to 1100. There's no weed in my neck. That shit got mad. Shake. No me in favor. All for it. I'm gonna give you eight eye. Matter of fact, I'm gonna give you four front. - Oh, you're the rest of it. - Yeah. - But that block was Southern January and we like did 10, 12,000, a day, 13,000, a day, 14,000, a day in bags. - Just in times. - Nine bags. - That's fucking crazy. - Bags. Think about it. If I sold 700 times a one day, 700 times each 100 is a thousand. I used to sell 12 packs of a hundred. - Wow. - That's 12,000. - So the business didn't slow down at all? - Yeah, you know, that's just started jicking. I mean, it got slow, the black got slow, 'cause when I was out there working, I was wooing 800 dams. I used to get $8,000 stashes and knock 'em down in two days. So let's say, if I took three days to move 8,000 and in a week, I moved three, let's say eight is 16. So I sold two packs of 8,000 and one week at six days and then in the other day, I was selling 400. So I was giving you $20,000 a week, me alone. And this motherfucking 19 makers out there, 15 motherfuckers out there working. - That's why Lou had millions of dollars. - And maybe he had out of them, 15 workers that were out there. Well, they say 20 workers, he had 14 of them. Okay, how many workers did you have other young boys? Like you used to be out there? - I have young boys, old men, old to crack heads. Everybody, I have everybody out there. - Really? - Anybody want to give money? Some dudes just wanted to get a hundred dollars to go sniff some coke or sniff some crack or do whatever they wanted to do. - Wow. - It was really no sin. - So how many pounds were you moving on the block and wholesale every week? - I ain't gonna lie, I used to get rid of me like 50 pounds a week, maybe more. I'm just giving you a little guess, not to think. I know I used to have customers that come to me by five pounds today. He'll call me. Yo, where you at? Yo, 10 in the morning. Come see me. Here. Give me 10. Boom. Yeah. That's already 11,000. Then after that, 11,000, somebody else will come. A dude who comes to me be like, yo, let me get a dime a week. I ain't even know here to take a dime a week. Go to the park. Smoke the weed. Come back. Yo, let me get yo, yo, yo, yo, you get me two pounds of the same week. You know, buy two dimes off me to smoke one and take the next dime and match it with the two pounds a week to make sure I'm giving them the same shit. And you would sell a dime even though you were moving 50 pounds a week. I sold everything. I did every. Even when you were running the block at one point, I didn't really do that, but if like the I come out myself or I come out with somebody. Yeah. I'd be like, you know what? Everybody knew me. Remember I was born and raised there. Wow. I'm born and raised on that block. So eventually the feds take all his down. Did. Can you explain how that. The feds basically took it down. Basically the feds took it down with the greed. Like the feds got in because he was dealing with coke. He was like trying to be true, trying to like live like something that he wasn't. Oh, this guy selling weed over there. Like what the fuck do you learn about them selling a pound of weed over there when we selling all this. He got on like his head blew up. Like he want to get on some John Gotti shit like some I rule the world. But he was dead pussy. That's why the empire fell down. He was a rat. He told it's a rat. Okay. So this is the higher case in 2006. Yeah. I caught my case. I caught my case. Yeah. I got locked up in 2006 for a shooting. Okay. When I got locked up for the shooting in 2006. I got locked up in 2006 for the shooting. So you were running the block from the 1998 to 2006. No, no, no, no, no, no. My conspiracy went back. I got on. I got on the block like 2000, 2001. I got on. I got my position. I called the shop. Yeah. Okay. So you were out there running for like five years. Yeah. Moving all that weed. How did you see the business evolving? I mean, was the weed getting better? - The weed was coming out a little better, yeah, because at that time, I started smoking good weed. So now, that's when I will go out as selective men, I'm so old, it's my own opinion, we just have a zonal. I might have one of my men's like a kid named O. Let's say, oh, he like, yo, I got this, I got this shower. - That's what I was gonna ask you, the shower. - The shower's start coming out. Before that, we used to go get the haze, like we're so weed, and I have a workout there, or do that'll be there chilling with me. You know, like my homeboy, and he'd be like, "What's you doing?" I'm like, "Yeah, what you going?" You want him at hand? - Yeah. - Go buy me six, 20s. So I got used to smoking that gooey, 'cause I was already smoking at that mongolopeia, actually, but it was good. But then I was tired of that shit, everybody. So you know how the weed is, I started smoking out of gooey. Smoking the gooey, smoking the gooey. Now, once I started smoking the gooey, the shower came about. Once that shower, that shit was different than that shower. I'm talking about that real sour diesel. - Well, a sour, a pound of sour diesel in New York back, then could sell for like 5,000 a pound, right? - No, no, they were saying that shit for eight. - Oh my God. - Eight thousand of that sour diesel. - That's right. - Now they got all this other shit they grow on sour and wide diesel, sour bullshit. So I'm talking about that sour diesel that police stopped me one time without a license. And I had like, you know, the little apple bag with a bag he's coming. I used to take two, three bars and put it in there more fucker. And I had that more fucker inside my hoodie. And they stripped me down. They thought I had a pound of weed on me. - That was just a couple of grams. - That shit was just a couple of grams of weed. - So how did you guys work that, did you have to pay 8,000 or could you get a better price? - No, I ain't going to lie to you. There was more, there was certain like everybody wasn't getting that shit. So the mother fucker that was getting it. He was squeezing niggas nuts. - He wasn't giving any money for anything. So the mother fucker point five for $20. I used to have to put the shit in the glass bottle that make it look elusional. - Yeah. - Hey, bottles falling on low. I'm like, oh shit, I got a smoke this now. Cleanin' the bottles, the glass bottles 'cause it was shit was so small for $20 that people don't. Then I had so many customers that I used to be like, look, I'm not even, they like $20 for that. You fucking crazy. Look, look what I'm gonna do for you. Give me 10, smoke that. The minute they smoke that sourdise and they come back, yo, let me give five bottles. Let me give five bottles. And we just started bubbling that sourdise on my plaque and we were one of the first with sourdise on the block. 'Cause you had other wee, like some shit in my hat in. I don't know if you ever heard brand saying. - Yeah. - And then they had that pellet, the chocolate pellet, whatever the fuck that was. And I had a dude from Cali. Oh my god, I seen him in the fairs. Toa white boy red, this motherfucker was the king of growing back then. I was with him in the fairs. But I knew my fuckers, I never met him. But I knew guys that he was giving that wee to. And he was the one. - So you didn't have a guy like 400, like 300 pounds. - So you didn't have a guy like me. You needed a guy like me that was gonna ship you over, you know, 20 of that, like $5,000 a pound. - Did it like fire as well. - What happened was you must have been giving it to, let's say you go, you're getting at real that good sourdizu, let's say you're going to take whether you're going to Oklahoma or Casey, you're giving it to that one guy. Remember a lot of people ain't growing at. The only one that's growing at is Johnny. And Johnny, and I'm not even alive. I never really had no connect for sourdizu. I know what it was. The dude just has some three grams. Three grams of 3.5, they charge me $100. I know a guy that had that sourdizu, he was sending nothing but to the rappers. He was sending them a three grams for $100. That was a gram. - Yeah. - And we were going chippin', I was chippin' with my man. He had 150, 150, so we could treat each other. And we stood by each other side by side to the jaw finish. Or, matter of fact, road to roads, taking home, we were taking toll. And we go smoke this 150, treating ourselves. - So how did your block manage then? Did you just have to buy smaller quantities? Then just break it down really small? He was, yeah, he wouldn't have it like, he wouldn't have it where he would be like, I'ma sell you a pound. He might have got maybe five pounds. And you already know, he squeezed the nuts out of that shit. Yo, I got seven ounces, he'll sell this dude three ounces. That's when the ounces were 600 ounce. - So how did that feel to go from like a guy moving so many pounds of bulk weed at a time to like-- - Nah, it was a nice-- - Going hand to hand. - It was a nice to me, 'cause the sourdese was just another, it was just another element for us. It was just another, just something that was coming in and it was coming in, 'cause the ones that bought it, they knew that she was going like this. So I used to be like, I used to take the sourdese and before we got the weed, I used to put it in the tupperware. So the shit don't bend, 'cause once that shit stick to that bag, you know, that shit get like this. Shit be this big, it's over. So I used to put that shit in the tupperware, I used to give out packs of 30 here. 30 packs of 30, packs of 30, tupperware. And it was only one person that had some sourdese like when my man Lou was getting it, I would he would buy it for my man, oh, rest in peace. And I was the only one that so sourdese on that block, you couldn't, it was 40 workers. Nobody could so sourdese, but me. I was the only one with sourdese. - So you did that same thing, you'd only give it to one of your workers. - Yes, I was the only one that had sourdese who seemed out there with a tupperware, which said what you want, and then it basically, I just had it for all the players in the hood. 'Cause only the players is gonna buy 20 dollars, one blunt only with 20 dollars, right? - Okay, so times moving on, are you, you made a lot of money? - I made a lot of good money. I spent a lot of money, I ain't got a lot. I spent a lot of money in jewelry. I spent a lot of money in clothes. I spent a lot of money in all types of young shit. You understand that I spent money in a lot of bullshit. - Okay, so how did the feds eventually take it all down? - The feds basically, 'cause it agreed. The greed, we were selling weed, like I told you, you could sell weed for a million years, and you ain't gonna go down. - Or you will look, but it's bullshit, and it won't make none, you'll make so much money, and then you wind up, but we started fucking around, we're harder drugs. Started putting the coke in there, the violence came. You know, once the violence comes and once the coke comes, all that shit starts making it hot now. Not even like, hold up, there's murders, this is bringing this, this is bringing that. The tension is getting things, some people get caught up with coke. Not even like, look, people snitching on us, 'cause you tell somebody, "Yo, I know these guys are selling weed." They're like, but where's all the weed at? You don't know where all the weed's at, what the fuck are you gonna do? Like me up 17 times, I'ma come out 17 times, it's like, we know the 18th time. But once we started doing that, the violence started coming in. Once the violence started coming in, that's when they started getting on us, you know what I'm saying? Then one of the rat dudes that was like, up there with me, he was doing this. Now he was so soft that he never put his work in. Here we see how other people put in his work in. So now I tell you to put some work in for me, you get caught up. Now you and Jay, which are as busted, no money, no nothing. And the often you 10, 15 is what they do. Well, I ain't doing that time. I wasn't getting the money. Yo, he sent me. And that's how it played out with us, basically. - So you sent the guy to go do some work? - No, I never put nobody to do no work for me. That's why I'm Hulito, that's why I'm here right now to this day talking to you. I push my own work and says day one. Well, if I did go on a slide with somebody when I went on a slide with them, the other nigga was so pussy that he used to try to put people to put work in for him, 'cause he was scared to put his own work in. And everybody know who I'm talking about. - Oh, well, most of us don't. So we're gonna need some details. - Gotcha. - That's why I said that so you can ask me that question. - So yeah, who was the rat and what were the feds alleging? And like how long did they put-- - Basically, you know, make buys from you guys all the time. - It was like basically the rat was a kid that was working for us. Working for, they just had like a whole thing of rat. Like they all got bit by rats and all turn it to rats, 'cause it was like me and my brother Ralphie, Resident Peace, and another rat that I was raised with, Master Splinter, you understand? We was all together, three of us together. As me and him grew up, we always was raised together from the sandbox. When me and Master Splinter was raised from the sandbox, he always been a dude that would always been jealous of me. So it got to a point that you don't really want to believe that about one of your friends. So basically, as I got older, and I truly, that Lou gave me my own torch, I could answer for my own, 'cause I always have my nuts where my nuts go and my old plates. So he'd done things, Master Splinter, that I didn't like. So I told him, "You know, we're not gonna work no more. You're gonna do you on this block, and I'm gonna do me on this block." So now he started his own little click, and I had my own click, and we went against each other. And I'm saying, we're eating against each other. He making his money, I'm making my money. If his guy's got locked up, or his whole team didn't come to work, I didn't care. I just shot more at them. I just made more money, I made more money. Now he had a worker that was working with him, that him, I guess, doing bullshit to the dude, doing whatever to the dude wasn't paying to do his money. Always with the, "Oh, I got you, don't worry, I owe you, I owe you, I owe you, I owe you." So now when shit goes down, the rat dude, me and him got into words. When me and him got into words one time on my block, he was upset because he's always been upset at me. Like he don't always chase a lot of girls that I didn't have. And he got more personally because there was a girl that I know from school that I was wither. And when I got locked up on the block to do like 90 days, my my tree I just have like nine cases. He wanted to fucking with the girl. When he wants to fucking with the girl Johnny, now he feels a certain way with me. I used to never be like that. Like if I had a girl, that's my baby mom's, that's my baby mom's, you respect any other girl from the street that whatever happened between us, if you hit it is still my man. That's how play is played. I'm not the type of nigga that I get tend to dick or whatever, but niggas act like they not tend to dick, but deep down inside, they really having feelings over a bitch. Once I knew you already hit it, it's nowhere in the world. I would look at her as wife in it. Now I would go and say then that's Johnny's bitch, does he feel for her, does he really like her? If Johnny didn't give a fuck about her, I'll shoot it down. But I would never in my life know that that was a squeeze. Even if you had your wife and that was a squeeze of that for years, I knew you had certain for years. It was a lot of feelings and that was a no-no for me. But then you got certain guys that are dirty that just chase they friends girls. They like what they friends got. I don't know if that's some gay shit to me. 'Cause I think that's gay and for you to be chasing every girl that your man got with the fuck you want to suck your man's dick or something, no disrespect. And I don't need to say that like that, but that's what it is. So he was a type of dude that was always like that. Like if you had a girl, he had a girl, he'll always be. 'Cause he had a little bit of money. So he'll try to like stun on the girls on his man's. Like me, I would fuck the opp. Any opps, I would fuck all the oppa girls. I don't care, you're an opp nigga, I'm fucking your girl. I don't like I'm fucking your girl. But not my niggas that I'm with. Not my man, that's with me right here. That's holding me down, coming with me here, coming there. I could never look at his wife like that. I don't even care if they break up for 10 years. That's in me, it's all feelings. It's certain things, you know? And this is what I learned about my man. You see, when I'm sitting certain guys, they like that. So that's why they grew up to me and come out and get that rat shit they get the hate and the animosity. Because the dude always had more than me, Johnny. You feel me? Yeah, more than me. Look, I'm sitting it, 'cause you can see I'm straight up. But what happened with him was, he used to always chase bitches. All the ones that he liked, the girls that he liked, just the way I was they liked him. They liked me and they gave me a man. Oh, he's cute, he's cool, he's funny. And they gave it to me. But it was never no girl, that was his girl. So make a long story short, his emotions. I guess much to start it or whatever. His brother used to put me in the fight when we was young. I used to beat him up since young. And his brother used to pay me. In digs, so I guess his brother was doing that maybe started this. I don't know. Maybe he gave him the thing of them, you know, the complex. Yeah, complex. But I'm never nothing, 'cause I've only been nothing but loyal to this pig. So what happened with the case? So now, as we growing up, now he winds up coming and we separate our separate ways. Once we separate our separate ways, me and him, now as we separate our separate ways, I'm doing me. He's doing him. Now it came when they was getting like, I had workers of mine. You know, the flow would shift up and down. Maybe I got some workers lost. Maybe I don't fucked up some money. Now I got some bullshit. He got some gooey, all the customers ran there. So the flow kept coming back and forth. So now he makes a poll. They make a poll. Him and the one that put him on the other rat. 'Cause you see, I came from Lou. So the other boss was a rat. And the boss that put him on, he became a rat. So I guess the water they drunk was a rat water. They all came to do staying rat pipe. See, my man made me stand up. Certain things you do, certain things you don't do. So now as we're doing that, give you the story. The poll is there. They would tell me, look bro, so we don't go void, whatever. That's the poll right there. The customers go there and you stay there. 'Cause before I was reckless, I was wild. I didn't give a fuck about nothing. So I would be in front of that building, in front of that building. So they're like, yo, and they've seen how the monstrosities workers will be fighting with each other. So they're like, look, we'll eat them for everything. To be thin, the poll don't pass, the poll don't pass. The poll, I'm like, all right. Right? It was all right. So now he goes and does 28 days in jail. When I've been going to jail all my life, bidding. He did 28 punk as days in jail when he was like 35 years old, the 32 years old. So I guess he had workers out there or he left some people trying to hold it down, but they were suckers, be with suckers. So they didn't hold nothing down for him. Now he's in jail. He's thinking he's supposed to get all this money and they tell him, yo, who let those eat and everything, who let those eat and everything. I really was because I'm out there with five of my workers standing out there with them in the cold or whatever. And come over here, we got to hit. Matter of fact, take a dime, take whatever, take whatever. So when he comes out, he's in his bag, cussed out. When he's in his bag, cussed out. This is how the feds that got more into the thing already. When he got in his bag, cussed out. Now he comes out of jail. When he comes out of jail, I'm across the street at summertime, but my guys, like my boy who come from another block come chill with me. I got guys from other blocks at the gym. The difference between me and him was, he was just local. I was everywhere. Like if that block, that block, I knew the gangsters from that block. They were cool with me. I'm going chill over there. He's blocked my man. I'll invite me to his block. I'm said, we go hang out. I go hang out with him. I met him in school, yo, come to my block leader girl. Like I'll be over there chilling on that block. So I made all the, I mean, all the gangsters on that block. The other rat do, he just stood on the block local. Oh, why are you going over there? Why are you going over there? You know, cussed out. I was never like that. I'm from the people. So now when he talk about the poll now, now when he came out of jail, I don't know if he wanted me to throw a party for for doing 28 days in jail. From 28 days, you do fucking 13 days. Two and a half weeks, shake that off. You know, come outside get that money. Like I've done like my man Ralph. He rest in peace has done. So now he got to add a two. After he has a attitude, I guess he must in the next day he's watching, observing everybody coming to us to me and my guys. So now he must have got a worker. He went and got a few new workers 'cause whatever his other workers were no good. Some of them even ship, jump ship on him. But they were guys that I'm raised with. So come on, yeah, wanna work? Come on, come on. Come on, boy, you my man for 20 years, come on. So they jumped ship on him, they came with me. He got other workers from other places. Now I guess when he got the other from other places, Johnny, he told dumb. You know that pull, fuck that pull. So now my nephew Adam comes from Texas 'cause my nephew Adam raised it basically. He was raised in Texas. You know, his father's been military. They went all over. He lived in San Antonio. So I guess he got hold of my sister's real strength. He's still getting lazy. You know what I work? And I said, you won't get your ass outta here. Like, I'm going to New York, he came to New York. So I knew my nephew was coming, but I didn't know when he was coming. So now my nephew gets to the block, access the work of the guy, go to the bathroom. So he's like, yo, you know who Lito? He's like, I don't know who Lito. He's like, you don't know who Lito, I don't fuck, you don't know who Lito. But my nephew didn't know that he was like a new type of worker, whatever. He's like, you don't know who Lito, no, I don't know him. I bet. So I get the call. Yo, Adam's on the block. You know, this is my nephew. And I want him on that block. Shit is going down. She'd be going down. And he'd tell you where any drug block, anything could go around anytime. People robbed, shooting, shootouts. So I get to the block. When I get to the block, I park at the pump. My nephew, I guess, must have went to like an avenue called Kingsbridge. That's like the main strip, like they got pizza. They sell mad shit over there. When I pull up to the block, they keep running on me. Yo, yo, yo, what's up? Smoke, smoke, smoke. I'm like, smoke. Mind you, I'm outside with all the workers, all my workers, like I'm there with them. This other dude wasn't like that. They'll just leave them and be laying back, riding the ground, living the movie. I'm outside with them, Johnny. So that's me being outside with them. The dude comes up to me and he tells me, yo, what's up? But the pose there, but he's all the way on my side. Yo, what's up, smoke, smoke, smoke. What you got, what you got? I'm like, yo, who are you working for? Oh, what you mean, who the fuck I'm working for? So I look at one of the guys I got mad. And I'm like, yo, he working with us? 'Cause I don't know, like, I don't put nobody on. They're the ones that put whoever they gonna put on. So I asked him, he was he working with us? You know, he's like, oh, now he don't work with us. He worked with them, I'm like, yo, what the fuck you? So I'm like, what's the dude? He's like, yo, these niggas is vitally. And they've been doing, I'm like, where the whole lot? So I go and I'm like, yo, bro, what you doing? Bro, you can't pass the pool. He said, oh, I don't give a fuck about the pool. Punch them, boom, boom. Punches, everything out. Punch them, kick them, stomp them, beat them up all crazy. Grab them, throw them to the other side. Grab this weight, throw his weight over there. The fuck out of here. The other ones that are working for him, they know me. I'm like, any of y'all past this pool, bro, y'all know what this shit is. Did any of y'all wanna poke? Now y'all gonna respect the pool. 'Cause me, I didn't give a fuck. Leave it open and season. Everybody run up and down, that's what I'm just, that's the way I would just hustle it. Then I told you, that's how it was just hustle. And we're looting everybody. Everybody, but they thought they were slick. Like, we're gonna corner at this and we're just gonna eat here. And I'm like, everybody's working. [BLANK_AUDIO] respect the poll now you didn't want the poll didn't he come home and say you want the poll you're gonna respect the poll now I guess make a long story short now I'm there he's riding around wherever the fuck he's riding around he is cuz he was always in running around now he comes to the block just the guys fucked up broke out guess he was whoever he was he comes now he tells me you know what the fuck bro I but I've always gave him a little respect because you know he's raised together you know what I'm saying and I didn't really want to break the ice but I was so tired of him already that I said now is lit now I said what you telling me he's like you know that you did that I said didn't you see a poll didn't you see that you know it wasn't me it was well yeah working together man stop the bullshit so he's like oh but I know his family we raised as the sandbox Johnny you understand so I know it could go left it could go crazy and I was already at a point I'm not scared of anything this lit is lit once I like that soldier they don't stop in it so I told him I looked at him in the face I said what you want to do bro you want to fight a certain summertime everybody outside I said you want to fight I took my chain off won't took the chain off even to my boy here take the chain mom I'm like yeah what what you want to do he's like everybody's looking like he let your cheat you know you'll go get that go get that chino to a kid that I'm raised with chino was with him with chino I raised him he's with me you know he's like raised with us but he just getting one on that side so I still have mutual love for a lot of them that was with him on that side because I'm raised with them just a condition I understand you by I got a manager you were managing here you're not gonna pitch for me you know if something open up it's different so chino's like yo I'm not getting into that I said go you why why you don't go get the gun I'll show them why you don't go get it so when I tell them why he don't go get it he don't do a motherfucking thing guess what the fact you see he did he got rid of my man chino for managing for him put another god of manage for him right a kid named grimace my boy grimace he was another cool kid but he broke him into the block he wound up going and getting some guys Johnny to shoot at me they wound up getting some guys to shoot at me so when I go I don't know this and I'm saying he went and got some guys yo I'm gonna pay you whatever 5,000 take who leaked throughout 10,000 I'll shoot him to eat and when we got to the thing he told people yo it was just that day he violated me he violated me that day so I wanted to get some guys to scare him or whatever whatever but at the midst of him scaring me he must have told his manager when you see who lethal call me so they had a drop on me so I pull up to the block when I pull up to the block I pull up I go to the manager I tell him yo let me get a thousand dollars because the kid with the roller blades my man Mike on the skates he's the gamble in the park he's like yo come to the block come to the block there was my money his man money on his summer day to make his Indian white boy you like there was mad money out here I'm like I'm on my way I'm on my way I get there I got a couple guys I'm going to give me a thousand dollars give me a thousand dollars when he gives me a thousand dollars I grab the thousand dollars and there's a whole like a fence like this I go through the park so his work of muster call him like yo Julito's here he's like what he got on he's got on some blue shorts that was like you know and then you know the blue shorts the new york shit the white team with the yanky hat white uptells on he's like yo he's here when he got on but the kid that call got the same shit on him so by the time the shooters came I'm already in the park they come out the side of the park on my block if you can look at it one nine three one nine two they start shooting from a distance this happened he got it they're getting the manager in the head the same with that call for me now he brought wow had them right in the head talking about the bullet skit my manager that was my cousin at that time he's another rack David Marty another rack saying his name to the world can know the bullet graze him the kneecap with the jeans he had a hole in the jeans show oh shit the bullets hit fool fool fool hit the floor they popped up they hit a girl in the back like you know like the fragments hit an ass and all that and the one bullet that hit anybody direct when the kid went down the duck right in the head oh done done fall out oh so now I'm in the park I hit a shot boom boom boom boom and I see somebody go through the park I see them running so I'm like what a fuck if that was us that shot somebody why would we run through the parks I'm like oh my god I got my cousin that got you know I'm raised there a family man I go running to the block when I go running I'm running from like the park side all the way to get to our block because our block is like three big buildings and right across from it is a fence and it's a park big park and we'll play around basketball where we think I go running when I went running that I got to like when I climb up that I that I get to the building side his managers on the floor crowing crowing you know his last yeah for shit leaking terrible that's another guy seen dead remember you ask mirror that I see guys dead talk about dead head shot like I literally look you can see the bullet right there boom that's instinct to my man pouring pouring pouring pouring and he called in to have you hit I'm like oh shit so now I'm like oh shit but it wasn't under my feet so I'm like oh shit what the fuck I don't know what's going on one of my guys tell me watch master splinter bro that niggas a sneaky dog and a guy that knew him knew him that was raised want to know his family they told me watch master splinter he's a sneaky dog so that shit stood in my head so I'm like oh the next day his older brother was always his narrative like with me and we're getting things his brother with oh yo y'all gotta chill but his brother only come when it was favorite for him I used to feel and then because when he was making all the money fuck me leave hulito fucked up so the brother whatever whatever he calls me oh where you at I'm gonna get a park now I see him I go see him now now my new Johnny I don't know what's going on I don't know where this came in from I don't know if there's some girl that I'm I don't know where this is coming from because remember I took I took I took the clubs I used to fight I used to cut people all that I don't know where this shit is coming from so to make a long story short and I know when it coming from I'm like I'm not dying I'm walking around with a scrap on me he calls me I'm like where you at he like I'm in a park but remember my guy told me watch master splinter he's a sneaky dog so I got that in my head show before me where are you like y'all I'm in the park sitting on the bench I drove by in the car I got four five of my guys jump out we check the vacancy you know what I'm saying make sure you try to do no sneaky dogs shit to me he's sitting on the bench this way I come from behind him but when I'm walking behind him he's lay crying that fake crying I'm like what's up your man make your grimmies bro they kill grimmies for me I didn't kill it do the none shoulder cops when they came the detectives grabbed me they said you're going down for that murder we seeing you shoot him and running the building I'm like man eat it dick man fuck you mean you see me man that's my friend you asshole and if you did see me but I know if they did get the camera from the building they did see me come over him look like I grabbed this hand like and it was already like he was stiffening up already he was already like you know that the last nerve to jumpy like when they jump and then it's out I saw like uncurrent I'm like oh shit and I grabbed this hand when I grab his hand I feel that that's stiffening I'm like oh shit yo quarter ambulance quarter ambulance quarter ambulance quarter ambulance I'm running the building when I'm running the building I'm like nah I can't be in this building I get the fuck out I ran out the building I went all the way I didn't even smoke cigarettes Johnny I went and bought a pack of new port I remember this I sat all the way on the other side of the park when I'm on the other side of the park Johnny I'm smoking cigarettes like they weed after the second cigarette I'm dizzy I'm nauseous so many police and it happened like that seven to eight o'clock light is light blah blah blah blah I'm shooting but the time the cops came fuck it was dark massive police massive police massive massive massive I got low now I'm riding around now I don't trust nobody now I'm in a car with a girl I got that I know that she's mine she's got the girl know me all the time true clips from me I'm riding all around then after that that's when he called me yo come to the park they killed grimace yo yo we brother We got to do this, this, this. I guess his conscience was killing him. Like, oh my God, I did something. 'Cause like I'll show you from the rip. Him and the one that put them all, both from the came out to be rats. They both bitches. - How did the feds get involved after this shoot? - I can see. - Okay. - So now, after this happens, the feds come now, right? After this happened now, it's a murder now. Now there's a murder involved. As the murders involved, nobody knows about the murder. They grabbed me, they interrogate me for mad time. They knew it wasn't me. They checked the cameras. They see me running. I'll tell them either dick, they let me go. Once they let me go, they grabbed one of his workers, the one that he didn't pay. Me and the dude get into an argument 'cause he was his manager. He was like a little jail dude or whatever. He's like, oh, that's why your boys don't even fuck. Which I'm like, boy, they could eat a dick, nigga. Straight up and down. They could eat a dick, nigga. I'm tougher than all of y'all. Y'all know that. And if you feel a certain way, you let me know. So he's like, oh, you can't. I run down on him one day. He's in the building. So I go through the building. I come down on the roof with him to the gun. I'm like, what's up with you all? Yo, I ain't got anything to do with nothing, who you thought? His name is little. He cry like a bitch to me. Now, the police knows he's always out in front of him. They grab him. When they grab him, they tell him, you going down for the murder? I try to do the same thing they did to me. But I know they didn't see me do anything. Now he comes Johnny. And he sits in the prison for about 18 hours the interrogation. Yo, I don't know what's going on. Yo, Julito, try to-- I don't know what I think it was probably levy. Oh, levy told me that if Julito ever fuck with anybody, it won't get the gun shoot up. So he's telling everything. So after that happens, they don't got nobody for the murder. Bunk is quiet. Now, he goes again and grabs my brothers. The one I told you Ralph, he rests in peace that died. He grabs his little cousin and puts his little cousin to go, yo, don't do this. He's selling weed back there in like a botanical. That's like the church shit that he'd be doing with something in real. So one of the kids, not my man, because he's another rat, went to the guy and told him, you know, son, no, we're here. Like, what do you mean, I'm from here? He's like, well, I tell you, you know, son, no, we-- we catch you son of a-- he has a problem when the kid walked away, he did to his back. Where he did him? Yeah, he did like-- he didn't shoot him, but he did like, you know what it's been like. So when he did that, they seen it. Somebody else seen it, and they told them. So he went back and got the gun, came through the alley, and shot up the botanical. Pup, pup, pup, pup, pup, pup, pup. This is all on public record. God damn. This is all on pace. So this is all on public record. This is why this is my case. Nobody think I'm saying certain that. It's not about, because I'm not-- All my people work this clear for the record. Since it's a minute's plea, minutes, and judge a commitment, everybody knows who leads those paperwork is clear in the face. So how are all these shootings? How do they tie this into the road? So now what happened now? Now, there was a detective, because there's a book called NYPD Green, Detective Luke Walsh. There was a detective that said, yo, I got a case for you, another detective. He gave it to a federal dude. That was, you know, what's the been like this partner? He said, I got a case for you. I interrogated this dude. He said, this, this, this, this, this. You got to get into it. So what they did was they took the kid little, the one that they interrogated for 18 years. They started wire him up. They started bringing them to the block. Now they get in the sales like that, the pre-recorded sales. They get in all the pre-recorded sales. So now they're making it a drug thing, right? Now, as they're making it a drug thing, now the feds are involved, now they investigate in the murders. They investigate in the murders. So they got enough already to know the fact that the master splinter sent to get him killed. He went to send him killed. The one that did the shooting in the botanica, they already know he's the shooter because everybody from the hood knows him. So they told on him, yo, that's such a such. That's cash, that's cash, that's cash. Cash, now they know who's cash, cash is such a such. So everybody in the area that was around that corner, they know us, we want to raise their, but they with the other kid that got killed. So they don't give a fuck about us. They like, yo, he got, he wanted to shoot in the do. So when he said that he wanted to shoot in the do, now they came, they already got him. Now cash disappears. He's in Puerto Rico. They can't find him. So now they stop tapping master splinter's phone. Master splinter's calling him in Puerto Rico. Yo, be careful, the feds is looking for you. But the kid, the other kid, the one that was doing the 18 hours, now he tells the master splinter, yo, with some of my money, yo, man, I need my money now, because he's not hustling no more in the black, you don't want nothing to do with the black, the black was so hot. He's like, no, you owe me 16,000, I need my money. He's like, no, I don't got no money. So you don't want to pay me my money, you bitch. I said, nigga, he's trying to make him flyers and posting them. You bitch, I said, nigga, you don't want that kill grimace, you fagging that, I said, nigga, you owe me $2,000. Took pictures of him, put a dick on it, made mad copies and stuck them all through our hood. While he's, while he's wearing a wire. This was before he got the wire. He started doing that first, put in all the pictures, put in all the pictures, I guess that got to the cops. And they found out it was him. And he told them, yo, the nigga owes me money. He went and killed the kid, grimace. He wanted me to kill Julito told them everything. So he was enough evidence for them to make a case now. Now they're going to make the case. They got pre-recorded by already. Now that's drugs and violent. Now when we snatch all of them and we shake them, some of them going to start to tell. The ones that started to tell was, the one I told you that was in jail, that my man Lou wound up leaving. He came out of jail. He got down with master splinter. Now he don't have nothing to do with the murders. He was just a drug deal to sell weed. But now they got him connected for murder. Come on, 'cause he got felonies. The one that I actually did the shooting now, everybody saying it's him, so they grabbed him. And he wind up saying, damn, they got me already. But hold up, I did the shooting for master splinter. So everybody wind up going and they told him master splinter. He's the head of the indictment now. - Everybody was telling that. - Yeah, oh shit. - They went and told them, dumb, his crew. That was basically his crew, that was his whole crew told. None of my crew told. - Right. - The ones that was with me never told. All my guys that still stand, they never told. That was him and his little crew that told. After they all told on each other, right. My brother Ralphie was the one that was the deal, but he was always in the out of jail. But when I told that, he used to work with me. And now he'll go hang on his back and shoot. He put in that work. So he wind up going and telling him on two of my friends. He told on Ralphie and he told on my friend that right now he was doing 27 years. My guy, B.I., that this is his girl. They learned that he's doing right now. He's in four dicks above daddy. - Wow. - You understand me? So he went and told on them and said, "Not him, too, did a murder." So before they had him, he didn't tell on nobody. He didn't tell, he just went and tried to think that everybody was gonna cop out. I took 10, I'm taking my time. Oh my good guys, they took big time. 10, 10, 10, 10, because that's what the conspiracy held. After we all took our time, I'm 10 years, everything. - Okay, hang on. So you guys get, your crew goes down as well. You all get your crew and master splinters crew are all in part of the same thing. - Yeah, what is in one bunch? We all have one indictment. - God, okay, and they had you on drug sales. - They just had me on nothing. All they had me was, 'cause people ventured to me. The rats mentioned me, who's Rulito? 'Cause they had me on a wire tap. - They said you were the one. - I possess pound quantities of marijuana. This is exactly what my indictment on my time says. I possess pound quantities of marijuana and distributed in the vacancy of 2600 people in the Bronx. And they gave me a 924C saying that I protected my drug organizations with guns. But I was in the state doing seven years for shooting already. When this happened, I'm doing seven years already. So I didn't go down on the indictment with them. I was already in jail. After he tried to get me shot and all that, I was in jail. Now that was a shooting, I told you that he did, that he shot the botanical, he shot the Decentre Maria. - So how did you fit in another shooting? 'Cause you're on the street, obviously, when the murder went down, where they tried to shoot you, but they accidentally killed this kid. - Yeah, it was part of their career. - 'Cause I went down before them. I went down for a state case for shooting in the state. - When did that happen after that happened after the shooting of this kid went down? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that happened after the shooting that the kid got killed. Now they grabbed me. When they grabbed me, they grabbed me for a gambler spot. For robbing a gambler spot, he was shooting in the gambler spot. I went to go play dice with some Dominican guys. They tried to put some fake dice on me. We came back and robbed the whole spot. Give me everything, I took everything, give me everything. The Dominican guys told them me. So now I copped out to seven years. - Did you shot someone? - Yeah, we shot one person, got shot in there, and people got hit in the head with guns, everything. So they gave me seven years for that. - Okay. - When they gave me seven years for that, he stood in the street with his crew, still doing activities. That's when the fence came and grabbed dumb. When they grabbed dumb, they superseded me and brought me for the state. Come here, get on the indictment, but they only brought me on the indictment to show me, look, remember the shooting with Grimmis? That wasn't for Grimmis, that was for you. They know I know him more of my life. So they brought me down to sell on him, Johnny. And I never told on him regardless, even though I found out that he did the shooting, that he tried to kill me, you know what's everybody's just a vacation of fucking and tried to kill me, I'm selling. I didn't tell. I took 120 months in the feds. I got my plead minutes. I got my sentence in minutes and my judge of commitment. And I've been to all the jails I told you and I never told. So how did master splinter fit into all this? Because you've been calling him a rat the whole time? Yeah. How did he rat? When did you know when he rat it? He rat it because the one that shot in the botanica, the one that shot the Dominican kid in the botanica that he went to Puerto Rico, he got caught up. He wanted to go in and tell him on his cousin that's my friend Ralphie, my brother when I keep mentioning my brother. So what he did was after everybody he read it from the read. The kid from Puerto Rico, once they got him, he came in, he said, yo, oh yeah, that shooting happened because master splinter sent me. And after they said master splinter sent them, they put the other rat dude, the older dude, they put them on, he said, I ain't got no to do with that. He's the one that did that sent to get the shooting. So now he didn't rat yet, right? But guess what? He did now. After we all copped out, he told by us, copping out, he was going to get the last time. They wind up giving them three life sentences. Because they charged them with the two murders. They charged them with grimaces murder. And they charged them with the murder that the other kid did. That's how the feds are. So now he got two murders. So they charged them with the two murders. He got life and he got life on the drugs. Because he thought he was a rocket scientist. Now where he came out the stitch. Now was after he's doing his time in jail, he wind up coming and saying, I know about a murder. What's the murder? You know, I know about Ralphie and the kid be I, they get a murder. And they wind up going and grabbing Ralphie. That's my code. If any of the same time my brother, he was coming home like maybe like eight days, they grabbed them, super seated him, charge him for murder, charge him for the murder. And that's what's called for the record. So you can know as a root 39, a root 39, root 35, root 39. That means you can be in jail. You can know something about somebody. You can go back to the district attorney and you can tell on them. And that's what he did. So now he comes out and tells people that he won the appeal. You did not win an appeal if you were rat. First, I mean, you did not win the appeal if they gave you two life sentences. You got two life sentences. He tried to tell everybody he's on Wade's podcast, criminal, entertainment. That's the only podcast he ever did. Okay. So Master Splinter got out of two life sentences, just by telling about another murder. He told on the, he told on the murder that happened. He gave up a murder. Do you think he that seems hard to believe? Like if I was a US attorney, and that happens. Well, he did was when they grabbed him, he said, I know about a murder. Now when he says he knows about a murder, they say, hold up. Now that's going to investigate this murder. When they investigate at the murder, they're like, Oh, shit, he's actually right. Because he knew about the murder. I understand that. I'm just saying like it doesn't, I'm shocked that because he's down for two murders. So why would if I was a US attorney for one murder, he got now for one murder was grimace's murder. I say the other murder that they try to mention in the botanic, I they charge the other kid would, but the other kid told on him saying that he's the one that sent them like John Gotti and Sammy the bull. See, Sammy the bull told, I did 19 murders, but I did 19 murders for Gotti. So they let him go because in the feds, they want the one that could send the one that could send is the one that got the mind to send. If you just a shooter, you just a dickhead. Right. I got to mind the influence people to do things. So he, so Master Splinter said he was sent by somebody else. No, Master Splinter was never sent by nobody. Master Splinter took his two life, his life sentence. They gave him for the drugs life and they gave him for the violence life. Right. For the, no, no, he got life. Now he went and said, there's somebody in jail that's innocent for murder that he didn't do. And he went and broke down that murder and told on my brother Ralph. Right. And on my homeboy, B.I. told on them, really can't did the whole thing and they went and got it. That's what a lot of dudes are doing now. Right. That's what they sent. How they mentioned with me, you know, that, that the guy came back later and said, yo, big me when it told on me, or after 50 years, this dude wound up. That's how they become telling that they rats and all that. That's what it is called a boot 35. So he ended up getting out after not that much time. He did 10 years, 12 years like us. He waited. My brother died in jail. He got a wait for them to get sentenced. They gave my brother 27 years. They gave one of my homeboys 27 years. They was going to give my brother 22 years. He died. He had lupus. He died in prison. He had to wait for my man B.I. to get sentenced. One's B.I. got sentenced. They let him out. Damn, that just seems so crazy. My point was like, it doesn't, if I was an assistant US attorney, and I got a rat coming to me with two life sentences, why do I care about another murder, you know, say, if it was, that's why I think he told on they saying is an influential man that he can send people to kill. So he's about to be in the street. So he's more important to take down than you are spending time in prison. He's more influential. And if you don't believe this right now, it sounds like that. I want you to cut into this and you're going to call me back and say, oh shit, who leads to it's crazy. But that's what's going on with the game. That's why when a lot of guys are saying that they don't got paperwork. And that's why I'm mentioning this to that be bogus right now. And now we got a video. I got it on my phone. My man accident. If you had to go right now and sit on Ralphie, what would you have done? He said, yeah, I would have sat on Ralphie. What you think? I don't have to sit on him. I got the video for you right now. What does that mean? They asked him if you had to go right now, testify against Ralphie to say about the murder, what you was going to do. He said, I would have to sit on him. I would have to testify against him. Damn. So does he come around anymore? Hell no. They don't knock this ass out already. He's trying to get on every show that I'm getting on. The world know he's a rat. I got him on a phone. I can't even give it to you, so you could record. They will put it up in the, they will put it up in the video. Wow. That is a, that is a fucking wild ass gangster tale that unfortunately ends all two with random, that's nasty stuff. This is my whole thing about my whole story. I talked to you about a no glory in the street story. And that's Hulito saying a no glory in the street story because this was my brother. The other dude put a mad pain for him. And when his ass got caught up, he didn't take his time like a man. Look, even sent for me to get killed that I'm his brother. He wound up going killing his old man that he brought. You understand me? And now he's outside in the street trying to puncture people that I'm a rat. How the fuck am I a rat? If I've been the big saying that I've been with all the gangsters everywhere, they call my folks at this day. If you've been in prison or whoever been in prison, know what it is. There's no way in the world you're going to a USP, you're going to a jail and you're going to be around rats because you know how this goes. You need to run with a car. So for the ones that say you don't run with a car, if you ain't running with a car, there's either two things. You're a child pedifier or you're a fucking rat. Damn dude. Only the good die young. Well, I want to talk about prison because you have a fucking crazy incarceration journey. But we'll do that for part two. Hoolito, that was amazing. So just for the record, you did 12 years. I did 10 years. 10 years. Seven in the state. Yeah. And I did 10 in the feds. That's 17, bro. 17, but it was it was different because I did it was all concurrent. Okay, so I was down for exactly. I was down for 10 years and a half. Okay. So I put my state bid first and then I put my state bid. This was when the fed thing happened. He brought me down to the feds. And then I got jammed in the feds with them. So we've been home for a couple of years. What is the Bronx like now? What is home like now? What is home right now? It's totally different. I'm right now just trying to give a good message to the kids like I told you ain't no glory in the street story. All that shit about my homey, my cousin, my brother, all that shit, it's not real. That shit is all fake because when this shit hit the fan, motherfuckers do tell because the nigga I told you about master splinter is a dude that we raised from the sandbox. Yeah. And I'm saying how did Lou end up dying? Lou died of overdose. Oh no. Yeah. And Lou died of kingpin. Lou. Yeah, kingpin. We love those. He died because he didn't even know he used to. He was poppin M30s. And then he got caught up with some fentanyl M30s. Only thought they were like regular M30s. And when he went to pop the M30s, them shit was fentanyl. So it was like one M30. He popped one M30 that she was like 60 effect. No, he didn't even know that that's when they was just pressing them shit. And that's two of them shits and went out. Nobody gets out of the game, man. He was the one that really made it too. He should have been been retired. But do you feel lucky that like you're here healthy? He's had it like man, lucky to be right here talking to you, giving my story. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'm the luckiest one. Yeah, man. It could have been like I'm so much worse. You did try to get killed me and they try to kill me two times. You understand the rat one. I told you the rat that was in jail. That was be fentanyl. He tried to one time set me up with Lou and lie to Lou and say that we robbed them. So I went to Puerto Rico. You know, lose the big home. He can't allow that damn mulito. You robbed people. Luckily, he did his investigation because they was going to kill me and Puerto Rico. and it didn't happen 'cause Lou, you know what I'm saying, Lou Winning was like, "Yo, homie, hold up, "there is a investigation." And then I had this master splinter to take my spot, I guess. He was upset that his baby moms that he has five kids or three kids with, you know. - That's a fucking mess, bro. Just go get your book. Shout your book out, man, and your Instagram. - You already know it's the United States of America versus Hulito. - Okay, so Diaz, my new book about to come out soon, true, calm his son, and the whole new movie coming out, and no glory in the street story. - Man, you are one wild ass blotipah. I am so honored to have you here today, sir. - Thank you so much, Dan. I really respect that Johnny, for you having me here. Johnny met you, thank you for having me here. - My man, my man, we're gonna talk a little more. We'll see you guys over for part two. - With Hulito, over at the Connect. - Hey, see you. (upbeat music)