Indo Sport Movie Club | Marty Supreme 🏓

This is an Irish Independent Podcast. IndoSport listeners, welcome. We hereby convene. The inaugural movie club, we are happy to say, I am joined by Mr. Will Slattery. William, hello. Hello, Joe. Ronan Mullin. Hi, Joe. And of course, no movie discussion on the show, complete with the Earthswile. Dave, good afternoon. Great to have you with us. So look, this may not be for you. But we are arrogant enough to think it might be. We've sort of stumbled our way into this. Like every good workplace, we spend our fair portion of time talking about television, movies outside, films, if you will. And then the week before Christmas, will Dave and I, with Christmas in mind, in about 40 minutes, reviewed every sports movie in history, which may undercut future episodes of the movie club. You really pendid us into a corner there. We need some new releases quickly. But thankfully that came in the guys of Sipan, where we once again, convened. And people seemed to enjoy it, and for us it was not unenjoyable. So we sort of said, should we do that again? And it's Oscar's week. The early Supreme has nine nominations, including Best Picture, Timothy Shalame, of course Best Actor, Original Screenplay, Director Anacos, nine nominations. So we thought, you know, sports movie, Oscars Week, could we start a little movie club? So I think we're going to do that. It'll be mainly sports movies we suspect, although we do not rule out branching out. If there's a weathering heights discussion in a month's time, then so be it. So that is the plan. We're going to start a little movie club. It will be, I mean, I would think relatively infrequent. I'd be surprised if it's monthly, but we'll do it from time to time because why not? An Oscars Week, the week to do it. We have no real rules. Aside from this, we'll be doing on the assumption that you have seen the movie. There will be spoilers, galore, there will be no, I mean, we'll jog your memory. But we won't be doing much in the way of explanation or plot points. So if you've seen Marty Supreme, buckle up, come on in. If you haven't seen it, come back to us when you have. I think that's our approach here. No, we're not professionals. Or if you're never going to see it stick around as well. Maybe. We're not professional reviewers. I mean, Dave is sight, who can master the art of a review with its borders. We're not doing that. We're jumping in, I think, as if everybody's on board here and everyone's seen it. They could read the Wikipedia page if they want to. Some people do that. They, it's not going to see the movie. They'd read the plot synopsis on there and imagine it in their head. I wouldn't recommend that either. We'll do it. So, well, here we are. This is fun. I think we're excited to do this. You, Ronin proposed going to see Marty Supreme at the Friday meeting just gone. And we had a meeting. A wheel was there and I was there. And we're like, wow. And then I guess the movie club idea was, was, was birthed. We teased it out for a good 45 minutes, I'd say. Yeah. Joe went from being, I'd say, non-commental to then having to move his car urgently. Then coming back to the meeting room, like, all pumped up. Like, we should do. It shouldn't just be sports movies. Imagine we're doing heights. No, the Odyssey was mentioned. The paramedic car is funny because I couldn't see you guys. So all of a sudden, and I just heard on my laptop, someone driving a Hyundai. And then Joe disappeared for 10 minutes. Why don't you give it my Reg place? And then came back with all these fully formed concepts of, oh, this and that and this and that. I got cooking and the measures really. And I wasn't going down on the car. That's not like, that's just the life is too short. We should do a movie club. We should talk about movies. Someone did walk by on one session there like, Jesus, the sports signs are in there for a lot longer than the usual on the Friday. It must be really serious. And it was. It was, you know, it wasn't a good way. Constructed. Pros and cons of this. And so that's it. That is the only thing. Plot supporters are coming your way. They always will. And this is very much if you've seen the movie kind of vibe. Or again, you can keep listening if you want to. But you'll be confused. That is. I feel like in, you know, kind of a dead poet's society. So when should read a poem or something just to really give this a bit of heft. Dave, have you got something? A food, a steak-freeed Sassoon maybe. Some wartime poetry. Exactly. Sure. But is it the inaugural episode? Did we not do. Is the Sly-Pam? Sly-Pam, yeah. Not the first one. But we've now dreamt of the incredibly original title movie club. So that was a soft launch. Yeah, it was soft launch. We're retroactively going to go back and retitle Sly-Pam. And we're committing to it here. This is a movie club number one, Marty Supreme. Hello. Hey, it's Marty Mauser. I'm in the Royal Suite. I saw you in the lobby yesterday. Okay. Well, they never talked to an actual movie star. You know something of a performer too. Are you? Yeah, you don't believe me? I. Shit. What? What? You got the Daily Mail in front of you? This is you. Yeah, the chosen one. It's a nice picture, right? I am a purpose. And if you think that some sort of blessing is not it. That means I have an obligation to see a very specific thing through. And with that obligation comes sacrifice. Everything in my life's full on a part, but I'm gonna figure it out. Teeny help. I could help you. I know it's hard to believe. But I'm telling you this game that fills stadiums overseas. And it's only a matter of time before I'm staring at you from the cover of a Weedies box. I'm not trying to control you, Marty. It's all you, Stephanie. But I don't think you understand the stakes. You have no power here. What are you planning to do if this whole dream of yours doesn't work out? It doesn't even enter my consciousness. Now look at this. The Norseball. Which no one's ever thought of. Seeing you already following the way better. Look at his eyes. You're looking more engaged now. What? Custom ball like that. It's not a custom. It's a ritual ball for a ritual guy. It's a morning supreme one. Not the morning normal ball. That is Marty's supreme with its nine Oscar nominations. Will Slaughtery with an early flying the ointment. Is this even a sports movie he threw in minutes before we walked into the room? I'd startle be an interesting debate to have. It's the what constitutes a sports movie and whether this reaches the threshold. What would you say? I think it does definitely because as when we were mentioning around the office in meetings I had to defend this going to the cinema yesterday in a meeting with higher ups in the company. I had to be like it's a sports movie of course. That's why we're doing it. And Mary Carl I think that of audio is like I suppose it's tangentially related to sports. But I think it does constitute a sports movie like I think say if it wasn't about table tennis. If it was about a more mainstream sport. I think we're the question we would consider a sports movie. If it was say it said in America say it was regular tennis. It was a tennis player. It's challenges a sports movie. So I think there's enough of a sporting hook there. Obviously there's you know, you know, myriad of digressions into other areas of his life. But I think at the core it is about a sports person trying to achieve greatness in sport. And there is extensive table tennis scenes as well. So for me it ticks the box to be called a sports movie. Agreed. Anyone disagree? I agree. I would have taken a few more table tennis scenes but it is sportsmen. So I would have I would have too. What did you think of the table tennis scenes by the way? Not that I'm unbelievable. Breath taking. Love the word extraordinary. I was like considering to Will's point or Dave's that it doesn't dominate the movie. The sports scenes when they're there they're very good. And he's obviously and has been revealed been training for this for like seven or eight years. And there are instances where you can see a double and the camera pans out. But for the most part of Tim clearly doing it. And very unlikely demanding as as a sport as well. Yeah, I just thought the ball was so obviously fake. The bands of the ball wasn't true. At times. Yeah, there's actually some visual trick going on and it's hard to distinguish it. But they dressed up very very well. Do you think? The one where it goes to like the wide shot and the ball's fancy. And I was like, what this is? People say AI is the business. I was thinking it's not that good. But ping pong in general or table tennis is hard to film in real life anyway. I'm sure. So it would have been there would have been a lot of takes required to try and perfect a real sequence with doubles. Like who you're getting in professional table tennis players. What about when the seal showed up and hit it with its flipper? Is that what they call? I turned into a child in that moment. I wasn't expecting to see that thing. And I was just like, oh my god, that's amazing. And so it's a sports movie. Let's get a broad thoughts then. Who wants to set us up? Ronan you. I've seen this twice now. Yeah, I feel like I should go last because people already know my opinion on this. Okay. I don't know any of your opinions. I know that's true. I don't know what anyone thinks here. So will we start yesterday together? Walking home. I was very militant from the cinema back to the office. Well, it was like a child who was told you're not playing Xbox when you go home and just covering his ears. I was covering my ears because there was I think kind of on tree. He's from both of you to kind of talk about the movie. You know, I was just like, I just asked the producer is just trying to get ahead of the structure and format rather than asking Joe. What did you think of X and Y? We were trying to format, but you put in your hands and yours was excessive. So go on then. I don't have a clue what you think. I couldn't even read your body language. Should we give a brief synopsis of what the film is about? No, necessary. This is only for people who've seen the movie. Okay. So we don't need to do it. No, Marty Mazer's rise from humble shoes at two salesmen. No, we're straight in. This is this is movie clip. My my broad thoughts were that I thought it was interesting. I thought it was very stimulating. I thought it was pretty enjoyable. I thought certain touches like the period setting were excellent. I thought the cars, the clothes, the suitcases, the phones brought the film to life in a brilliant way. It was so engaging seeing New York in the '50s. So they had a brilliant job there. I thought the use of kind of high profile figures who aren't actors to play key roles was brilliant that gave it a certain, I don't know if authenticity is the word, but it certainly made a feel real or gritty or certainly not as produced. I thought it was too long, thought it was probably one definitely one side plot too many that I think you could take out and it would be a smoother ride like it was two and a half hours and towards the end I was like when is this going to wrap up? I thought the time I saw this film which is just before Oscars week rather than when it came out. I think has given me a very different perspective on the lead performance than if I had seen it right away because it was a good performance by Timothy Chalamet, but I felt myself taken out of the film slightly in certain instances because his behaviour as a character was so closely aligned to his behaviour in real life and this Oscars pursuit, this hungry Oscars pursuit. I actually felt myself laughing and I was like this is funny how closely the rise and fall of Mardi Mouser, the rise and fall of Charmelet, like a brush cocky guy he wants to get to the top by any means necessary and I actually felt I hadn't had this whole Oscars campaign in the background I would have been able to look at it in a different way. So I'm sure we'll touch on maybe the actor and the person later, but I thought it was a very good performance but I did find myself kind of, I don't know if one winningly being like God is actually very similar to what's going on in real life at the moment. So I guess a cautious thumbs up for me. Cautious thumbs up. First of all day. I think it's a great movie. I saw it pretty much, I saw a press screening I was, so I saw it before came out and it was the thing where like you got a press screen sometimes and critics just kind of sit there and most people don't really talk or gasp or react too much, but there was a good vibe in the room because there are some, it was funnier than I expected it to be and some of the jokes are extremely tasteless but that's kind of the point and there was gasp and there was reaction and I would slightly disagree with it as much as I think it's a very fast two and a half errors. I think that and one battle after another were two of the faster longer films I've ever seen. I was saying that I saw Project Hail Mary this week which is two and a half errors and I was really feeling the length of that by the end. So I think when you get that balance wrong it can be very apparent. But I came out of this film kind of being like that was great. I felt like I was taking somewhere with it massively. I also never need to see it again, which one I'm curious that Ron has seen it twice in quick succession because I still feel like I never need to see it again while also thinking it was one of the best films of last year. Shalamey I think is excellent in it. I completely see where we'll come from when it comes to art versus artists because he totally has been deploying that in his interviews in this press tour which we will cover. But I think as an experience goes, as a visceral experience in this cinema, it was one of the better ones I had last year. Ronan, come on in then. No, it's your turn. No, no, no, no, I want to jump in. I want to hear a smattering. Well like today's point on the end here to experience I saw this basically when it came out and it was I think New Year's Day and it was like a euphoric in theater experience. Like I remember the last time I was in a full cinema in the big screen was Banshees of In A Sharon and there's some jokes in this and misdirection that people were like visceral reacting to in the theater. So that was very enjoyable. But then I watched it yesterday and I removed like and it was a bit more clinical to let's just say we don't know to go into the details of who we are. Who we can. It was sparsely attended screening. Shout out to the one other guy. I mean we're praying you email in. He was sitting in my seat by the way. So by the looks of because we had to review it today and I'd seen it in that context. I just wanted to see it on its own. Marist John Giles style. Yeah. I thought it was very good. I still think it's very good. I am obviously more minded to Shalame's arc than other people in the room. But I felt this was his arrival moment. This was all him. If you're talking about usage rate in the basketball game. It felt like he had the ball for the whole thing. There's hardly a scene where he's not in it. The thing is to know if I was up in Heimer Esk in the fact that how much he dominates it. He's in the whole thing, which is demanding. We all know the stats that like he's the youngest three time Oscar nominee since Martin Brando. So like his credentials speak for themselves. But I feel like he's an overnight success that arrived with this film. I think this is the first one where you can look at and say we're watching a great in real time here. My opinion. Oh, interesting. I think it's very kind of complicated feeling to have an opinion on like with Saipan when we came in and talked. We all had the same thoughts like in a hard work brilliant, better overall than we thought. The F.A. I still for joke. It was from our straightforwardness. I just really open term interpretation. I could imagine in a euphoric setting or a bit of a buzz or excitement setting going along for the ride more. I should disclose I had an appointment and I didn't realize it would be two and a half hours. I'm going to get a bit tight for it. That probably shades my, I was in a different headspace to euphoric and your body language did shift towards the end. I noticed you were like arms crossed, leg folded and I was like, oh, I wonder what is Joe like hating this right now, but no, I know what. And it's a stressful film by design already because it's obviously coming from one of the safty brothers. They did on cut gems. This is a similar territory really. Like it's kind of seeing a guy race through the streets and get into all kinds of havoc. So yeah, if you're watching, if you're looking at your watch, you're probably in a bit of ed's place. Oh no, you have to surrender to this film. You can't be. You can't be in an ocean that I need to. When is this over? So I declare that like it's very hard to take your eyes off it in the best sense. Like I agree it will, looks phenomenal. The way the thing is edited, the way it's put together, the pace of it, the music, the whole, the whole, like every single scene pretty much in isolation. If you just like if I was going into this movie and you showed me borderline, any scene, I would think to myself, wow, that looks really good. And then there's like, you know, there are kind of what would be iconic scenes almost, like Milton Rockwell, Padley and Marty's bare ass and saying, reach over there, I want more of an arc. Or the bath tub falling through the roof, you know, it's kind of like out of visceral reaction to that. Or, you know, pulling his, the gun on the co-worker, the safe and you know, he just, you know, machine guns dialogue and it's so good and you can get me arrested, the hustle scene at the bowling. I knew there'd be a hustle scene. This film just had, you know, it was always going to have a hustle scene. Bella, his friend on that like story he tells about feeding his fellow prisoners at Auschwitz Honey. That's incredible. That's incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. And every single going, every going to Paltrow will come to the cast in a moment, like every scene, her and Marty. And yet for some reason, it just wasn't like the sum of its parts to me. Like in isolation, like I said, every scene, I couldn't, I actually couldn't fault any scene. Thought it was, it was like every, it was bang, bang, bang. And I think I'm just not a huge fan of that episodic kind of a style. Like it reminded me of when I read David Carperefield by Charles Dickens trying to be, you know, very aspirational pompous and I was like, I should really read some Dickens, you know what I mean? And David Carperefield is just this never-ending episodic thing, you know, because the way the book was written that was like a monthly story in a newspaper of its time. And then they were like, this is very popular after several years. Let's compile it into a book, you know? Yeah. And like, you know, you read this book on, I should really stick with it. I mean Dickens is a genius, they say. And I was like, oh, no, can he not just get where he needs to get to? Like, he's been trying to get to this other town for like eight chapters. And now he's just bumped into the long leg of guy with the donkey and now there's going to be another thing. And definitely by the time they were like getting the dog from the house, where, you know, the conveniently the bad guys are taken out, you know, how do we wrap this up? Bang, bang, bang. Okay, that's cool. We're dude with the gun in the house. You know, fine, an isolation and watchable, but by that stage, I was like, this is just becoming a bit tiresome for me. And the episodes in and of themselves, a kid in the day of a car revealed are not so gripping or so brilliant because like you take the kind of pillars of this plot for me and it's the two love affairs and losing to endo. And invariably the two love affairs and a revenge match against endo, you knew somewhere that was a destination point of sorts. And so on the one hand, I stand back and I look at the thing and like I said, every scene, almost every scene was quality. And yet somehow I was like, I don't respect the plot art. Like let's throw in a bunch of random shit in between and just keep throwing it and stylistically it'll be cool and that'll be cool. And what if the bathtub falls through the roof? You know what I mean? I can see them like, geez, and his arm gets caught. Oh, another dog. At a certain point, that just waned for me and I yearned for, maybe I'm more basic, but I was kind of yearning for a bit more of a conventional plot or like second time when he beats endo. And this is like the sports person to me. I was like, the guy hasn't picked up a bat in six months. I mean, his legs are messy. He's like, no practice time. Because you know, that's been a misdirection with the wooden bat. It's a disgrace. What sorcery is this? I thought there was, I was, again, it's me being a more conventional type. I was thinking, oh, there's going to be like a scene where some mentor is going to work out here to beat the wooden bat and the weird spain. I thought I was really looking forward to that. And of course, that's where the tablet has got sidelines. So it's quite a long answer. I wouldn't recommend it necessarily to anyone. I liked it, but I didn't like, I didn't surrender to it. I think you do have to surrender to the kind of screwball almost aspect that like the nuts aspect. You probably have just to go with it. It's on rails. I didn't really. And so I don't think I'll ever watch it again. No, we don't need to. Like it's a stress test experience, I think. And it is. It's 200 pounds of movie and 100 pound bag, which is the reason why those scenes are kind of spilling it together. And I think a lot of people, the problem with this for a lot of people and a lot of convention movie goes would be like, well, I don't like anybody in this movie. They're all horrible. They're all whichever. And that can be, you know, that can be a problem. But I think some of my favorite films, the characters are pretty hateful. Some of my favorite TV shows, the character's pretty hateful, we all watch succession and that kind of thing. But I do wonder for any of you if hanging it with this character for two and a half hours, 'cause it sounds like it proved to be too much for you. There was no real emotional hook to it. And I was like, "Do I care if he wins today? "Do I buy if he changes as a person?" All that kind of stuff. It can be hard so for some people. The film is doing well, but there's definitely people coming out of it being like, "Do I look like I sucks? "I never want to, I would never have a point with that guy. "I would never cross the street to avoid him." - I quite liked him all the way through. So it wasn't like, "I can't stick any more, "shall I make or I can't stick any more of this character." It was almost like, can we get back on track here a little bit? - Yeah, I know what you mean, 'cause when I set it to the start, like I thought there was too many sub-lots. I taught the dog and the gangster was just not necessary and it was almost added in to be like a look-out kind of zany and wacky we are in this movie and we can still make it all work. In isolation, I agree it did work. If I was like, "assure it will be very, very entertaining." But I just think I actually really enjoyed the opening, say, 30, 40 minutes when he goes to London, he's competing in the British Open, he's mixing with Milton Rockwell, he meets K-Stone. That was really good. And the endo piece of it, I found the endo character very interesting and the little digression of the Japanese news, that was all perfectly zany enough for me. And I just thought the gangster element was just one too many. It ballooned, it's still running time to two and a half hours when if that was two-ten, with a quicker kind of pursuit of him getting to Japan, which was obviously the back half of the movie was him just trying to get enough money to go to Japan and this was obviously a way to illustrate how desperate he was to get there and to get money. But I just didn't think, I just thought it would have been a stronger film just taken that out. And sometimes the chopper thing that it was an editor is to take it something you think is good. 'Cause you think it's on its own, it sounds well, but I actually think as a whole piece, it would have moved a little better. It would still was panty quick, I agree. I didn't think it dragged in terms of what I was watching. Just as a plotter, as an experience, I thought, I just think they're delaying this way to Japan a little too much and I just think getting rid of that one arc, which was probably about 15 minutes in its entirety, even though it was good would have maybe got the pace a little better in terms of what plot for me. - That was the most expendable subplot of the whole film for sure. I think they just wanted to heighten the stakes and make it not seem like a lovers quarrel with the table tennis match at the end. They just wanted to add a little gangster element to maybe drive it up. And also, this is Josh Safdie's passion project. He's been ruminating on this for over a decade and you know yourself, if you have an idea, you just keep, after 10 years, you just keep stitching on like little endings. So I think that probably fed into it as well. - Yeah. Well then let's expand on Timothy Shalame then. Both Marty Meiser, the character and Shalame. - Me and you are, where are you in Shalame generally before this? We're not massive fans. I'm sort of in between on them. - What's the opposite to a fan? - Earlier when you said about the Oscar campaign, user or campaign, I genuinely thought you were going to your own personal campaign against Timothy Shalame. - Well look, perhaps someone might think it's rich of me to slag Timothy Shalame off for building his brand considering I'm in pursuit of that myself. But I think, I just found, I just find him to be a very inauthentic individual. And the performance just was so close to what I actually think of him in real life that I was like, I'm like, you actually just portraying yourself here, like you want an Oscar so badly, you want to be a world champion so badly. And I just found him quite distracting. I said, perhaps if I had seen this two months ago before this had blown up a lot more, I would have been able to divorce myself from my thoughts on that. Now I did think he was good and he deserves accolades and plotlets for the performance because as Rowan said, like he's in every scene and he just carried the movie to large degrees. But I don't know if the feel for him as a person. I know we'll play him on the press trail later on, but I must say when I saw a produce by Timothy Shalame, did you notice that? When my initial thought was, oh my God, he's just created this vehicle where he's in every scene to get an Oscar, like it was just so geared towards what a Shalame performance, you know. - I think he's open. - So he goes on college game day and he has his whole rehearsal about Ohio Bobcats, just no-mark team. He goes on an interview with the BBC and all of a sudden he's waxing an Eric with a Susan Boehl. He goes and grabe Norton he's talking about, look, actually, Damnit Thompson, I feel like he always, he just tries to play to what he thinks the viewers of a certain team will want him to say. Like I say, he learned off Ohio Bobcats, he got the love actually plot completely, he asked for his name at Thompson, not to call him out, even though he claimed he'd seen it the night before. Like he maybe is a huge Susan Boehl, but it's all an application. - That'll accept. - He did it with Cody Rose's podcast, well, with wrestling, he started coming in with all these really insider terms that you could only possibly know. If either he was online when he was 15 or if somebody did some research for him, I'm like, here's your notes, here's your cliff notes, which is, yeah, when you can see through it, but then again, is this not more interesting than your standard press tour and your standard actor and it's just, oh, you're so great, tell me how you're so great and nobody giving you anything. Like he's, even if he's playing a character at the moment off screen, which I guess he kind of is, I still find it so much more intriguing than just the same old press tour you get every single time. - Well, let's divert then. Here he is on the press tour. So this is him selling the movie and there are like, him overtures maybe of the Marty as a character. - Sometimes you get it call things as it is, as they are and not tiptoe, especially as you get older. I'm about to be 30. I want to look back on my interviews when I'm fried and mentally anguished in my 60s and look back at my interviews in LA Tango. He goes, man, I was really speaking the truth and not afraid of the truth. - Well, may you always think truth? Like this is probably my best performance, you know? And that it's been like seven, eight years that I feel like I've been handing in really, really committed top of the line performances. And it's important to say that I love because the discipline and the work ethic I'm bringing in these things, I don't want people to take for granted, I don't want to take for granted. This is really some top level shit. - Oh, I hadn't heard that before. But if I told you that was from the film, you would you believe me? - A little bit. - So like, I think it goes what I was saying that he's deliberately blurring the lines here. - It started with the side speech after the complete unknown win where he says, "I want to be great." And that was somewhat authentic and for some reason people hate people showing ambition. It's just the thing people fundamentally dislike inside. It's like, look at this guy, we need to drag him down. And is he trying to suggest, I'm so method it's taken a while from Marty Heiser to wash out in my system? - No, but it's just been, it's been such an immersive press. Like this film was an independently made thing, granted to put more money into it than most independent films get. But this, we would not be reviewing this film had he not gone on every conceivable platform to promote it. Like he's embarrassed himself purposely to get this thing visibility. And there's a reason why he's nominated for Best Actor and the film is nowhere near winning Best Picture for the reasons we've outlined because and the extent to which he had any real, like this was a safty passion project, as I said. I don't think Shadame had much say so and had it was formatted, but this was a means of him showcasing his wares. - Well, it's a good time to play a clip from the movie. So this is him with Rachel when they're kicked out of the apartment and things are really unraveling and he gives her some home truths. - All right, I gotta tell you some Rachel, all right? It's not intended to be me. I have a purpose. You don't. And if you think that some sort of blessing is not, it puts me at a huge life disadvantage. It means I have an obligation to see a very specific thing through and with that obligation comes sacrifice, okay? My life is the product of all the choices I've had to make. Your life is the product of, I don't even know what your life is the product of. You're just making it up as you go on. That's the kind of person you are. That's not the kind of person I am, okay? You're responsible for the shitty decisions you made. I never told you to get married. Not once. You cannot pawn them up onto me. I understand how much to make a year of the pet store. About $200. - Okay, in case you forgot I have a week to make $1500, not including airfare. I need to focus right now. No distractions. - I'm sorry. - No, it's okay. It goes without saying, I'm in no position to settle down right now. Get that out of your mind. I will not settle down right now, okay? If you're serious about leaving Ira, I will not abandon you. As your friend, I will help you. We'll do the research. We'll find a great maternity home. They'll take you in. They'll ensure the baby's got a good family. We can do it, no? No. Just hang on there, children. Just go home. What am I gonna say? - Figure it out. - Go home. Go home right now. - I think he's brilliant. I think he's great. I don't have any of the baggage. I don't know much about him in real life or his sense. I don't even know how kind of, I don't know what his natural cadence of talking is. Well, like the speed, what would he talks as Marty Meuser and everything. It feels so perfect for that character that I suspect he can't be that machine, GUNNY in real life. But that's a perfect scene because that shows even though he's not just in every scene, he's completely dominating every scene. He's older vocabulary, the dialogue and every scene. It's 99% about him. One of the few times he doesn't is when he's getting paddled by Milton Rockwell, who kind of is, that's a more even contest. But generally, everyone around his grim neighborhood, it's he's the kind of exotic energized thing. And you can see why, you can see what Rachel's in love with him and trying to get at it like lower aside because this guy's just so swashbookling by comparison. There's the funny thing though to bring up about him. And I have this with him in a few things. I just find him so pre-pubescent. And I can never, like you know the opening scene where him and Rachel are added in the shoe storeroom. My initial, I just, my initial thought was, he's too young to have sex. Like I was like, hang on, is this progressing to sex? I thought they're just gonna make out like 14 years. - He says he's 23 later in the film. I was instantly like, he must be lying to have sex with it. - I just, I think, so I always have this with him. And then like I did find when Gwyneth Paltrow, and by the way, like there are some weaknesses 'cause this thing just hammers along. The way one weird phone call and him buying dinner for the husband and she just looks across the room, that she would then walk up to the Royal Suite and take off her jacket and be seduced by this. This is a starlet who's seen the greats of Hollywood for like 20 years and had love affairs with them. And there's like the body of a 14 year old boy. And again, I'm not body shaming him, but like, but the same token you would talk about the physicality of Brando, you know what is in his 20s as being like kind of like overpowering. With Chamolet, I always just think he's so pre-bubescent. It's a personal thing. I just find it odd to see him as like able to seduce Gwyneth Paltrow. Like he's barely up to her neck, it feels like, I don't know how tall he is. - Well, she's playing a fading star in this, I guess he's younger and there is some kind of, there's weird elements to vampirism towards the end of the movie so you could even get into all that if you want to. Shalame, though, in terms of his filmography, I guess you look at some of the roles and he is often playing a younger man. He's often playing like he's like Ladybird, you know, even don't look up the worst film of this decade. Dune, you know like Paula Tredes, like it's kind of like Call Me By Your Name. Like he's often playing younger men who are kind of in a time of their life and add lessen the time of their life. And yes, he doesn't have the physical stature of a brando, obviously not Dwayne, the rock chants and whatever. So, I don't say similar to Pacino at that age though. - Maybe, but I guess, I mean, yeah, it's kind of, Pacino was kind of playing with larger than life, gritty your characters, I guess. You know, you think about CERPACO or something like that and yeah, Shalame, like it's, the thing is, it's interesting because our people taking him seriously in that way as an actor, as a bio-below-territor. - I borderline thought it was ludicrous when Gwyneth Paltrow took off her coat and it cut to him. - But you mentioned earlier on, you're talking about like his magnetism and how everyone in his world is drawn to him despite the fact that for some people, you know, he's a prick. And yes, I kind of can't get away from this guy. - She hadn't got a glimpse of it though. - True. - The phone call was not him at his magnetic best. It was kind of him like call calling her and being weird on the phone. - I think it's kind of an asexual. - When was it on someone like magnetic? Like I don't think it's like, Brando had a sexual magnetism. - Sure. - This guy does not. Now there's magnetism, there's charisma, there's like, God, he's just so full of life and whatever. But I don't think it's like a sexual, in that case, in that case, maybe he's the poster, but a perfect poster for JNZ, but there definitely are people who would, you know, thirst over Shalame, but the thing is, but the phone call though, it's like maybe Gwyneth Paltrow's character hasn't had male attention of that nature in quite some time. She's trapped in this kind of loveless marriage to, you know, Kevin O'Leary's weirdo billionaire character. He persists, you know, it's nothing as well. Like his character, like he is the definition of the, like the manifestation of the law of attraction. Like he can't take no for an answer. He's brash with everybody, even, you know, the aforementioned friend of his who was in a concentration camp, which incidentally that's seen, which might seem very at a place in the movie, in a very interesting way. Like that is based on a real story. That is based on a real thing that apparently happened. Like someone did cover their, Slav of their body and honey and that kind of stuff, but like the way he treats that character, and I was so fascinated by their dynamic because he's saying these awful things about him to the press, which were, you know, again, you laugh at it, like, 'cause you're like, what the fuck do you just say? But it's the thing of, this character I guess has heard it before, and he's like, "Oh, that's just Marty being Marty." Like he's the kind of guy who just is full-pelt, constant momentum, and I do think, like there are many men in this universe who are punching him over their way when it comes to the ladies in their life. And it could just be a force of personality, and that's it. I did buy it. I did, like, we'll get to it, but the only thing I didn't buy in this film was how it ends. - Okay. Ronan's gonna defend the sexuality of Tony Shalvan. - Not overly comfortable with it. Like he's dating Kylie Jenner, so I think he's doing just fine. - Listen, I'm sure he's a very, you know, and only he's gonna mind her remarks too much. - No, and I do think your point about when a pal just character is true, like if they're flatter, and a bit like, I could eat this guy for breakfast, but there's something I can have about him. And even there's sort of things, the way she's coloring in the ball spots on all the old men and newspapers, like the youth of. - Yeah. - I get it, but I just thought visually, it looked like a mismatch. - To say the least. - Yeah. - Again, like I say, there are many examples for history. - Oh, mismatches and relationships. - Also, if that's his only work on Joe, if that's his only learning from this. - See, he's just here. - Yeah, if he hits the gym, and comes out, he wants to do like, some people's to be like, - And he wants to do like, some people's to be like, I think he's just, he's destined, like, this is a narrowness of chest and shoulders. I just think he's. - I think it'd be just fine. - No, I know. - Will, do you want to weigh in? - Well, it was actually, I found his lack of physicality more jarring in Dune. It's why I hated it so much. I just found it so absurd that he was like an action hero. And like, why didn't he hit the gym for that? It's certainly the sequel. Obviously, in the first one, he is like the boy prince, but for the second one, I thought he, when he has a bit more physicality and he's a bit. - You hated Dune when you went to see Dune, too. - Yeah. - 'Cause everyone. - Dune, Dune. - Yeah, I was like, I didn't want to be left out of the cultural zeitgeist, so I was like, - Part two is much better. - I put, well, I thought it was much better. - I'm gonna see, I'll status all finished. - In his huge defense, by the way, just to say, the original, I mean, this isn't a biopic, but the original Marty is stick thin as well. You know, up and down, you're thin. So you could. - But did he get what a movie's there? - Well, that's the question. - That's the question. - He looks like a table tennis player. That's fair. - Yeah, he's not a shot of table tennis player as well, but he looks like he could buy table tennis. - I think David's something to do. It was more a reflection of where she was at in her life. - The interest he was showing in her and his sort of vibrancy. - It's right. - She's like the peak of her powers. - The apex of her career. - I think she'd be like, "Go away, little boy." (upbeat music) - Let's segue into supporting cast then, because obviously she's a big part of that. Here is, and again, this is a good example of how every scene just kind of pops, I think. This is Gwynnepaltro, K-stone, and Marty invariably, he's on the bed, they've just been in the shower, you know, amazing scene where he steals her necklace. It's just like there's so many great kind of bits like that. And, you know, she's kind of, she can see right through on the whole movie, I think, and is indulging it on the left. So here they are talking, she's getting dressed, he's on the bed. - With me, I'm never accepting anyone's hope. I gotta do it completely on my own, purely on the basis of my own talent. Otherwise, it's like the success we even count. But that's just me. - Yes, well, that's very easy to say. - Well, it's easy to say, but it's not easy to do. I mean, you know that, that's what you cashed out. - Let me ask you something. Do you make money if this little table tennis thing? - Not yet. - Do you have a job? - No, I mean, table tennis my job. - How do you live? - Well, I live with the conference if I believe myself, the money will follow. Ultimately, my struggle isn't even about money. - How do you pay rent? - I don't. - You're avoiding the question. - I'm not avoiding anything. - How do you plan on eating food today? - Honestly, I was gonna order room service to second you leave. - Nice. - Yeah, nice. - And what do you plan to do if this whole dream of yours doesn't work out? - That doesn't even enter my consciousness. - Okay, maybe it should. - Wow. It's like my mom, no offense. - And you sound like a child. - Oh yeah, clearly I'm old enough. - What is that supposed to mean? - Pam, I'm old enough to fuck you in your hotel room in the middle of your big comeback. - You're disgusting. - Take your leg. - All right, everything is good. And so supporting cast start with Gwenna Paltrow. - Who had retired, I thought. - This was a comeback, yeah, very much so, which I guess there is some kind of matter commentary in there, which is interesting. Initially, I was kinda like, oh really, Gwenna Paltrow was like, you know, goop. Like, I thought we were done with this, but she's fantastic in this. She really, really is. Like, it's, again, it's the thing about this after he's, especially, you can see all over this movie in particular, they're very into the, not so much stunt casting, but unconventional casting in a way, 'cause we mentioned the aforementioned gangster. That's legendary filmmaker, Abel Ferreira. Like, he's primarily a filmmaker that rather than someone who's on the screen, Tyler the creator, the rapper. This, I think this is his first feature film, and he's very convincing in a, I thought, they like people with strange faces. Kevin Ellieri mentioned, they're Emilton Rockwell. He's not an actor, he's Guy-Off Shark Tank in the States. He's a big, yeah, he's not an actor. He's a billion, he's a real life rich guy, and he's a big mega dude, and he's made some comments that are fairly apparent, and he's set himself, he's like, I'm basically playing myself. They wanted me to play this rich asshole, that's who I am. So he was very good. Yeah, he was. Yeah. He was amazing. Like, that marriage of Paltrow and Kevin Ellieri, then, they're here. They're amazing. Yeah, but today's point, like, playing himself, and the first time in his adult life, he's been disarmed, 'cause, on set, he was like, he was saying, I've been reduced to an every man here, because what if I did it this way, and stuff? He's like, no, you'll do what I tell you, which is so at odds with the guy in the film. Yeah, it's funny, 'cause, you know, we mentioned Timothy Shalime dominates every scene, but I actually, I don't agree with it. I actually think that, like, the supporting cast, all the people he's asked to play with, bring so much to the party, even people in one scene, like Lloyd, the shoe salesman, yeah, very good. Is brilliant in that opening scene. Like, he embodies that kind of New York 50s, like, you know, low level employees, so well, the father and son, the larger father and son business partners are brilliant, like, that father is a billionaire as well. He's not a real actor either. There's picking billionaires off trees to come into this movie. Like, when he goes to the Tabletown as Hall, you know, where he kind of seems to, you know, hone his game with his friends. Like, the owner of that is NBA legend George Gervan, and the guy behind the cage is the fella, and Ted with the Golden Ball. voice, the homeless man who was a former radio and they plucked all these people and they said at the start, it adds this degree of authenticity to it. But I think they all, whether they have large monologues or only a few lines, I think Brian largely almost all bring their A game and actually are more than a match for him. He obviously has most of dialogue, but what the people are given and in particular I thought Kevin O'Leary was elect every time Milton Rockwell wasn't on the scene, like Poochine and Simpson like, where's Kevin Rockwell? Where's Kevin O'Leary? When he getting back on screen, he was culminating in the paddling, which is like, what a immascul- what an unbelievably cinematic kind of way to describe like a masculation. You have all his cronies with their cigars, chomping under cigars, all laughing, derisively as he gets paddled, one again, again, again. And that's, he's asking a lot of acting there for a non-actual, like he has a monologue that he nails, maybe his own point he's playing himself, like just rich guys. Well, that cinema has shown playing yourself, not always easy. So I talked to supporting cast, I was actually my favorite part of the whole movie. I talked to, I talked to, I talked to, I brought, so I'm with you. I'm just a culler and no bro. I would say as well, we mentioned as well, but like his, his table tennis kind of partner in crime because they go off and they do their kind of trick shots and stuff. It's played by a Hungarian actor called Geza Roig. He's playing Kleski in this. He's, I thought he was fantastic in his little bit of business. But also, you mentioned Endo, Martinis Nemesis, played by Kota Kaugucci, who is not an actor. He isn't a match for a table tennis player and he is also deaf. So it's just like, they're putting all these real people into this surreal world, which again has been a bit of a skill of this after he's today, I think. Okay. I thought Tyler the creator of the Wally character, his, his chum that he does the hijinks with was amazing. The kind of tracks the driver. Yeah, considering he had never acted before and was saying in interviews that he didn't even learn his lines. He was so kind of. Overall, by the whole experience that he just before he went on to do a scene, he just memorised the lines then and do them and you can kind of see there's a frantic, yeah, everything that Wally does, but very good. And again, to my earlier point, I think Saf the Astub in 2017, would you be off for doing this if I ever make this film? And he said, yeah. And then seven years later, it comes to fruition in the record. Rachel Rachel very good as well. I guess. Yes. I've got a great voice. Everything. Yeah. She was coming out so good. The next big thing really, she's like, she's a break out star. Okay. She comes from, I think a family of actors and like, this is kind of her moment. She was on the I Love LA show, so she's very much, yeah, she's coasting. I was kind of surprised you didn't get an Oscar nomination, but she has been kind of, I guess, law to elsewhere. Yeah. What a great moment, by the way, sorry, Ron, when the bruise on her face is makeup and you sort of had this great moment of, oh, you two are perfect for each other. Yeah. Again, it meets game. Gasp's in the press screening. Yeah. It was great moment. That was a big twist. And the Mr. Action, I was that was the big one, I think. And I love the bit where at the beginning, and it just plans to seed for a later scene where Marady's mom is on the phone and clearly giving instructions to her going to the hospital to quote unquote, and then that's almost married when Marady's coaching Rachel on the phone. So it just shows he didn't lick it off the stones, you know. Yeah. Did you recognize who the forbidding farm has owner was? You stole the dog. I didn't know who it is now. I didn't die there and I saw his name in the credits and I didn't know who it was in the movie. Who is it? Pen Gillette, you know, from Pen and Tyler. No. I was a musician at one whose silent and one the target was lung herring glasses American. He was just a great of the teenager. All over TV. All over TV. All over TV. And the 90s, like you leave. Didn't look like a metal. No, I was when I saw that as well. I was like, who does he play? Oh, the framerate. Do you know who plays Marady's mother? It's a frowned pressure of the nanny and friends fame. I don't know. There's all these people. There's all these like, again, like recognized faces, well-worn faces and the southeast are like like the common brothers think, you know, it's let's populate our film with interesting looking people, strange looking people, dangerous people. And it totally works. And it's funny because even like I'm looking at like letterboxed here and usually you go on to like a cast list and it's like show, you know, 15 more actors. Like it gives you the first 12 or so here and then the next button I can press here is show 112 more. So despite the fact that yes, Shalame is the center of this film and the center most hold otherwise this film does not work. There's still so many people in the world. The world building is very strong. Because I saw Josh Saddvy said that him and his co-writer, I think Ronald Braunstein, they flesh their backstories for every single character who appears on screen. And not really, Brian would show us to me, like even when he goes to the motel, the fellow behind the counter, he just felt like I lived in that, you know, he's been doing, I've been sitting here for 40 years watching all manner of people come in here. Even the police officer who comes in and they stage the thing and after he's like, what do you get in that restaurant? Oh, you have the corn beef. Like they felt like real characters would like they were probably given a sheet with like, you know, their whole biographical details and they seem to all assimilated that because I thought they all felt very kind of kind of nuanced. It wasn't just on playing one scene, even though I'm here for one scene. It was like, I've lived the life and I'm here for my whole life and this one scene. Yeah. The up and high my reference I made at the beginning was kind of about Killian Murphy's on air dominance as in her oftenies in thing. And it's similar to Will's point in that because like he thrown Casey Affleck for eight minutes while you're going to do their Emily Blunt, you know, like Benny Saddvy, Josh Saddvy's brother is Edward Taylor in that movie as well. Yeah, it's just a machine gun of like, heavyweights. Yeah, and that's similar in this like lesser caliber of esteemed a list actors, but like you're here's a really quirky character. How are you going to deal with that for four minutes? And I think that's what showed Shadow Man sort of 360 chops. Yeah, no, he was very good. So how do we like or dislike the ending? And by the ending, the two major things I suppose are getting revenge of sorts off Broadway on Endo. And then secondly, to what extent is this like a coming of age when he sees his child? Do we know what's the son of our daughter? When he sees his newborn child? I think it's a son. I look like a boy. Yeah. Which I guess is kind of like, you know, you're the new Marty Max. You got a eye on Willie and Willie and I was thinking and he gets very emotional. I mean, that that's how the film drop by the way finishes. Well, we'll come to the music and say, and he gets very emotional and weeps. And by the way, I thought, you know, it's just it's a it's probably like a one-on-one I think, but I thought, good crime. It wasn't even good. Yeah, good. It's good. The way the live he really emoted success. He emoted so authentically, I thought it wasn't weeping. It wasn't a lot to what his personal. It wasn't the classic like begins with a sob and then it was ugly crying. It was really, really good. First the dams. Yeah, it felt really real. I have to say, it's a small point. It was fantastic. Did you cry at the breadth of your show? It was exactly, it was, I don't think I went as blobby as he ended up, but that initial well of emotion that that starts hits your lower lip and your face. I was like, God, that's, I felt that. Did you? No. You're very streaming a game at the time. I was in the bottom of the day. Hang on, hang on. They're two no damn. I walked to the local pub just in time to see Enrico Chieza score the winning goal for the opening of the opening. Incredible. Were you also being a terrible person in your life up to that point though? That's what you asked my wife. Yeah, and this changed everything for you. So start with them, the table tennis redemption. Do you like that? Do you like that? Do you like he saw Endo again? I like the off-broadway aspect that you mentioned. I like that it was no longer a bit being world champion because it's already, we know he's a very good player. Like he can mix it with these players. He could win a world championship here and there. This was more a personal than that and the fact that he had to do it in front of a pig in like some off-broadways he said Rockwell Showcase for pens. Like I thought that was actually perfect for this film. It would have been, it would have actually lacked something if it was at the Glitzy serenzo or the conventional. Yeah, it would have been, yeah, if the Tokyo Wembley stadium, whatever that is. If you've taken this film on this mental run for an hour and a half, you can't then just suddenly steer back onto the road and be like, and now welcome to the world championship. It would be too mad. Yeah, I agree with you. That was clever. Yeah, I actually liked the kind of a fissious 40-duty from the Italian Association who actually reacted completely legitimately when he was like, you're too late. Like it starts on Monday. Like I just show up. I'm not going to redraw the bracket for a one on grateful American and it's like, well, yeah, that's actually, that's how we should think, that's how he should have behaved. My only quam with the ending, I love the Japanese starting, how they ended up doing it. Like that kind of cultural fissure to water thing and I cut to the crowd. You have the announcer announcing it like we obviously don't know what he's saying and it's getting done. My name is Larsen translation, you know, the long translations and then Bill Murray's only getting little snippets of it. But I did think it was a very untrue for landing for him to win that match. I think what we'd seen up to then would have been a much more, I think, narratively satisfying ending for me if he had lost because I like, he wouldn't have won that game. He unpracticed since he lost that. Endo was a superhuman competitor. I could have seen it being like 1817 and he ends up losing at the very end and that could have been a narrative redemption. You could have had the moment where like, you know, like Rocky, at the end of Rocky won, he loses but he wins. But for him to actually just take it and beat Endo, I just thought, I know the whole film is meant to be realistic or anything, but like just that did your bow to me. I was like, in truth, I actually thought he might lose 213 and it would be a funny anti-comactic almost moment that he gets smoked because that's why his, his preparation would have warranted really if you're seeing. Like Endo was like month like preparation for this match. Yeah. Not for this match though, that's what I mean. It wasn't the clinical environments of a world championship where he would have been dialed in and had a sleep. Like, Endo rocked up there probably just expecting what it was in exhibition, whereas Marley saw this as the BL and Endo, this is my life's work. This is my world final. Yeah. So that's why I think it was, it was realistic. It would have been unrealistic if he beat him in the championship final. Not that I know much about Endo because we only didn't see him but I don't think Endo ever treats any game as an extreme. I don't think he was at all. Endo, every single exhibition rental, he's so broken. He's cyborg like with his preparation. He didn't have a hangover. He has him to kiss a pig, he was literally in on the act. Oh, he was put up for that. Endo wouldn't do that. That's what he mean. He was puppeteered by Kevin O'Leary's character. He was feeding into the narrative. It's quite big if he loses though, you're like, my god, this guy's a complete spoofer. Marley, you scream. Yeah, like you're sitting around and we're like, should he win or should he lose? And you make your kind of convincing argument there. Like certainly, it's unrealistic that he wins. I agree with that. His preparation, he just, he just picked up a bat. I don't think it's unrealistic. 17 would have been like I'm not saying he couldn't have put up a good fight because he's clearly one of the two or three best players in the world, but Endo is being portrayed as this unbelievable player. He won one British Open, you understand? He's the best player of all time. He will lose today. He's an emotional attachment to it. He got fed. You know how he was fed in his homeland. He was an actually international hero, clearly. They wouldn't have rolled at the right car, but if he hadn't have been performing well. Go on when the World Championship didn't get back to me, right? Dave, do you feel-- I haven't played yet. Marty Houser should have won or lost. He's pretty much-- Mevzor. I can tell Marty Houser. I wanted him to lose because it's the most pro wrestling section of the movie, which naturally I will obviously gravitate towards. It felt like Marty's got to get his win back because he's the character of the film. He's got to win. I never thought he wouldn't win, and I thought I would agree with Will that it would have been more interesting. He came just this close and lost. What would that mean for him? I don't know if this guy's ever going to play table tennis again anyway. That's why I think that this is his final. This is his big win. It's symbolic. It's an exhilarating scene. The music shed out to Daniel Lopatown as well for his soundtrack. It also performs as one of Tricks Point. It's really, really good stuff. I think in his review was like that scene is where Charlotte Mays got to win the Oscar. We'll get to that in a second. Willie or not. But it's an amazing scene. It's shot perfectly. He's going against the odds. He's being defined. He's not going to lay down. He's not going to throw the fight. Essentially, and he's like, "No, I can beat this guy. I can beat this guy. No, I can beat this guy." At the same time, on any given Sunday, the one you lose, and it's kind of like, maybe he could just pull out the bag despite his lack of preparation. Maybe the raw and nature, the electricity, the talent of there is in him to do it. But I would have loved to see them lose. I think it would have been more compelling. Yeah, it's interesting. It certainly gave his character a kind of redeeming quality of dignity. I'm not just taking the money. I'm not just taking the easy way out here. I'll be a kiss and a pig and maybe sway them somewhat. But it's relationship with table tennis. At no point does he really talk about his love for it? When we're like, "Is this a sports movie or not a sports movie?" People are like, "Is this a vehicle just for fame and money and all that kind of stuff?" It happens to be really good. Yeah. Whereas I thought in that moment there was a certain kind of, "Okay, when you file this guy down and all the bullshit that goes with him, there is the nob of a sportsman there." Yeah. He had to win. But maybe. Yeah, he had to win for him. I'm like, "So, yeah." I just mean that he asked for the rematch. "Did he have to win?" I don't know. It could have been more interesting if he had lost where without a left. But then they fell in with a run of another three and a half. You know, we wouldn't go with a three and a half hour. You definitely would have missed your appointment then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know. I think it was a part that he won. Do you? Okay. The ending. He's a family man now, is he? I don't buy it. I don't buy the ending at all. Don't buy it. But buy what? I don't buy his character change in that moment. So basically, he picks up the baby and it ends with him, bawling his eyes out crying. It feels like, "Actually, no. I'm going to be a good guy now. I've seen the light. It's my road to Damascus moment. I've seen the light. This kid is actually everything. This is everything. It's a real, you know, winning the table tennis tournament. I have it here and now. My young baby. No, this guy is going to be a terrible father. He's going to be out the door. This kid isn't going to have a great relationship with him. He's a toxic presence. I don't believe that he can just suddenly become an untoxic presence. Because of this one life moment, maybe he'll give it a go for a week or two. I didn't see it that way. I know Josh after he has done interviews kind of saying things like, "Well, having kids changed my life." And it's like, "Oh, so it's meant to be right?" It's this. Oh, so sorry. He is suggesting this is a hundred percent. A penny drop moment. Happy ending. Yeah, big time. I don't see it. I don't think Murray's going to change the spot. I thought it was more. I interpreted it as them kind of getting to maybe that well-meaning aspect of like, "I'm going to really try, but like, being under no illusions, I'm going to cheat on Rachel a thousand times. I'm going to be an absentee father." Like, this is a momentary burst of emotion, but like, you can't divorce that from the guy you've seen for the previous two hours and 28 minutes. I'm a narcissistic, doled of a person. I'm actually kind of amazed that they would try and set it as, "Oh, he's ascended to a new plateau of humanity." Well, the people have taken different things from us. Yeah, which is kind of. I like that in an end. Yeah. To be fair, slightly ambiguous. But I, like, does anyone think, "Oh, this is a happy ending." Yeah. No, but I believe that Marty believes in that moment that he is changing. Sure. I do too. But I also agree with Dave. I don't think it would stick, but I think is that not the point? That's kind of. But that's kind of. That's interest. It's complex. He's claiming, "No, no." Because he obviously isn't controlled by the character. No, Marty has changed. Oh, no, that's not. If Josh has to be his deciding, "No, he has changed in that moment." And he will be on the straight narrow. Then I'm like, "Oh, I don't know what I believe that." He's more saying he is scope for change, that this could be a turning point. Yeah. That this is a turning point. I think that is it. It's. There are no knowns from what you've just sat through on how you look at this specific one scene. And that is. It's an overwhelm. Like, I haven't experienced it, but to be overwhelmed in the moment is very natural. And then what comes a week, month, year later, very different thing. And I think, you do in that moment have all of the best intentions imaginable. You know, and I think that's what's really kind of lovely about it. But the notion that the director, Sadfi? This after Josh's after is presenting that as, "No, no, this really is." He's really. Living his own. This isn't change. Life experience, party, which is for us. Yeah, yeah, make Joni and the car and the events. But like, this scene can work. In fairness, it is. It's good that you can make it go on like, "Well, will you. I won't do it, but I don't know if you've ever seen a film called Gross Point Plank with John Kusak. Great movie. Wonderful. One of my favorite films, he plays a hitman and he goes to his high school reunion. It's phenomenal. One of the best films in the 90s. And there's a sequence in that film where he's at the reunion and he's obviously hating life. He doesn't want to be there. He's talking to someone and she's like, "I had a kid and actually it's the best thing of all time." And she's like, "Oh, can you hold him for a second?" And he's holding the kid and under pressure is playing. And he looks at the kid. The kid looks back at him. And it is this moment of like, "Oh my God, like this could be a different path for a healthy bite with that character." No, I don't buy that character. It necessarily will be the best man of all time now and you won't kill people anymore or whatever. And then it's kind of a funny note in that way where he does get the love of his life, but he improves his views to retire from this life, etc. So maybe I took too much of a hard line ending where I was like, "He's gonna suck. He's gonna be terrible." Maybe the real journey here is you should see what could be. Gross, some sort of, well, he has the scope to change. But it's interesting on his terms. We played the clip with him in Rachel, where he's like, "I'm not setting down. You're not trapping me." Like, I've got a purpose. On his terms, you know, he sees it as a failure if he suddenly trapped on family man and never picked up a bat again. He'd sell that kid for the flight money to the man. Rachel looks at him with disgust when he comes into the hospital room as well. When he goes to her bedside, it's not like a look of your back. The nuclear family is being assembled. It's like, what are you doing here? She was tired. Have you given birth? No, but she wasn't happy to see him. Yeah. He might think his life is changing now, but I think he'd love to do a lot of making up to prove to her that he can be. That's true. He did seem to flight to Japan when she was, like, you know, nursing a gunshot. Yeah. He didn't hang around. It seemed to be there at the after surgery. But she was kind of like, "Go on. Go off and do it." And again, her character is interesting. And there's been all these essays written about is she a bad representation of a woman and this, that and the other. And it's like, well, everyone in this film is flawed to an insane degree. And that's a good sign of a film, isn't it? Yeah. It's complex. Like I said, at the very outset, Saipan was an easy. "Throw it up and let me bat." We all of the similar take-giver take. Where is this really kind of. I can feel your opinions changing a little bit in the room. Yeah, and that's a good sign of. Also, sorry, just your name. In general, I think it may be even my own. But also. Are you looking at me? I will say as well, the song at the end. Everybody wants to rule the world by tears, perfumes, as that plays, is just astonishing. That song is amazing. And just I remember leaving the cinema and just kind of floating on the cloud for that moment. I'm seeing lots of commentary saying this music should not have been part of in the 1950s. Because everything else was so. Anachonistic, yeah. So real. Yeah, you know, I'm true to life. I never buy that with any. Like, people were complaining about Charlie X the X and Wethering Heights. It's like, this is an art form. Like, you know, it doesn't all have to be. Like, should the. The Cots in the film are 2020-Ester. Like, On-Cot Jams, like, Cotto Ways. It's 50s film with like 70s lighting and archetypes and 80s music. It's deliberately disorientating. Okay. I think. As long as the music is playing out of a radio in the scene, I think I'm okay with that. Like, it's not like Marady, like, oh, look at this new song. Like, they're very aware of where they are. Like, the Wembley, the original Wembley. It would have been embarrassing if it was the new Wembley. You know, they're very vigilant. They didn't do anything by accident here. Yeah. Can I give you one other thing that Josh Shafty said, because I don't know how many of you like went. Well, hang on. Is this film about to turn something else entirely? That line when Rockwell, Kevin Leary, says to him, you know, I'm a vampire. I've been around for centuries. I wish he was like, is this about to be the most unbelievable twist of all the time. And then I was like, oh no, it's symbolic, I suppose. But they told with it. Well, see, I don't believe that. Shafty has done interviews where he said, actually, no, no, the real original ending was that he is a vampire. And he was going to bite. He was going to bite Marady. Ash A tears for Fear is concert. And I was like, I don't see any of this actually being. The tears for Fear is. Yes. I was like, I think this is all bullshit. This is all. You haven't filmed with the interviewer. It's just a line. Maybe you're not even improb'd it. But yeah, I did have a moment where I was like, is this about to be the most unbelievable ending to the film I've ever seen? So let's say, final thoughts and you can give stars out of five. Why not? Let's make that a thing. I will go first. I largely stand by my initial point, which is every scene pops. Looks great, acting great, dialogue great, can't fault any individual scene, but the episodic detour for an hour and a half just didn't work for me. I wanted a slightly different movie. Maybe this on me being a bit more conventional boring and wanting a bit more of the sports movie aspect, but I was kind of. I didn't surrender to it. I didn't go with it. And yet each scene in isolation, like I said, you couldn't fault it. And I don't love the absurdist, the batter, the floor thing and the dog and all that kind of stuff. But I could see what it was appearing. So I am saying. - Four stars, definitely not five stars. I don't get the five star thing. - This is edu-five. - Yeah, edu-five. - Okay, you gotta lay that grain rule down. - Four stars, yeah, for movie glue here. - Four stars, very good. - Four stars, I thought you were gonna go less, a lot less actually. - Yeah. - Look, deep down I wanna say three and a half, and if someone said to me, would you recommend that I'd probably say no? - No, half stars allowed. - I'll come out with out of 10 if you're gonna do half stars. I hate what a cup of disaster. - Yeah, but that's when someone says, "How good looking at my hand," but you can't say seven, you know what I mean? - It's always, even if, four, I can't go three because so much of it is so well done. So I feel obliged to say four, but, but, but, if someone said to me, "Should I really go and see this?" I'd be like, seven out of 10, that's fine, score. - No, no, it's not really. I thought it'd be kind of my, - I'm here in three and a half here. - Yeah, I'm three and a half. - I'm three and a half, it's my heart. - I'm three and a half in, yeah. Okay, that's all from me. - Can I have a very brief regression before I give my phone? - Well, we are talking about Marty's Supreme, so take all the digressions. - Take an hour digression. - I don't know. - It would have been fun to vary, probably, - I'd probably imagine the future for the main characters, post and credits. Like, what's happening to Milton Rockwell after this match? His pen company is Potenti in Rooms in Japan. The Japanese launch has been completely sculpted. What's he gonna do with this giant pig? Like, he hired this pig for today. Like, that pig is gonna have to be returned. That pig was huge. - He's murdered by Gwenless Paltrow in less than five years. - He can't die, he's a vampire. - That's true. Damn it, I didn't think of that. - Well, the sun comes through there. - I think Gwenless Paltrow transitioned to like, Adverts for vacuum cleaners. Her days is a starlet on stage is done after this shot interview. - She's an independently wealthy woman. - You know, household products on TV. - She retires just a way to isolation. - Does Dion ever make it as a businessman as far as shadow? His Maddie Supreme balls are scattered all over the, you know, the Manhattan street. Does he ever get a crack at the whip? - This is a 45 minute regression. We can't don't go through. - He's really encourages the hub and mention this. - He's like, Lloyd, like Lloyd is the manager of the shoe business. - Second man's for Lloyd. - He makes manager eventually. - Yeah. - He's last man standing. - It's like, yeah, we're actually not gonna feel the position even though Maddie's gone. Lloyd, you're gonna have to, like, that'll be a goal. - I'm gonna assume the position. - I want your rating. - Out of five. - Well, one last one. - What happens to Ando? Like does Ando go on and win the world championship? Do we think after this, - No, I'm not. - He's rattle by the defeat. - Yeah. - It destroys him. - And when he comes back and wins, 21s, hip and every single game and it proves to the Japanese people on the world, well, competitive. - A real sportsman, by the way, who walked over and lifted Maddie's hand in the air. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Touchdown's done. - Ron is out on Ando, I can tell. - He was giving me-- - I think Ando wins the world championship. - Okay. - Maddie, like, true. - A bin. - A bin out of him. - Yeah, he said it's all cheating. It's all the equipment. - Yeah. - Will. - That was a sufficient regression. I am going to give the film three stars. - Yeah. - I thought it was an enjoyable, interesting, stimulating ride. I loved someone supporting characters as we go online. I loved the period, New York in the '50s, to touches, to kind of the style of the time. I thought it was really cool to spend some time with. Just, yeah, I thought it was too long. Just thought that the gangster plot point, which we didn't even discuss, it shows that we thought it was a little superfluous, even though it was entertaining. And my Timothy Shalame, my problem with that performance and how his actual real life Preston has informed my interpretation of it. It's probably lingering over and perhaps that's unfair, because maybe I should just be judging it solely as a performance, but I just thought, I was taken out of it, and I blame him for that, not me. I think the way he's behaved took me out of the movie, so I'm giving it three stars. - I blame him not me. The ultimate worst lottery review there. I love it. Dave, you hit us and because we're running overtime here, a quick word on who's going to win the Oscar. Four stars from me, as Bill Hicks once said, it's just arrived and that's all it needs to be in this regard. Mike Abbey Jordan is going to win the Oscar for sinners, I think because Shalame has dirtied his bib, he's already measured too close to the sun. And don't get me wrong, we've had this thing recently about the him game in Ebay Ballet, the Oscar votes have already closed, but there has been this turning point where I think he had people in the palm of his hands. Myself included, and it got a bit old. Awards season is very, very long. Lastly, I will say on that point, when you played a clip earlier on of him, I think it was him and Rachel, him and Kay, I initially thought the wrong clip had been played and it was an interview, because that's how, like lined up the two of the things are, so I actually don't think it's your fault, I will support you on this argument, because he has done that, and you know, as a multimedia figure, he has brought Marty Mezzi with him on the press tour. It's a really good movie, it's worth seeing, I don't need to see it again. Okay, we're almost there. Man who made all this happen, I suppose, you get final word. Yeah, it's been on and off our planning sheet for about three months, that we would go see this for the, just a few different things there. Like the Oscars and the Academy and how they select winners is so out of date. Like it's just ridiculous at this stage. The Leonardo DiCaprio was punished for being too good to young, so we can't give him that age, like, come on. And then Michael B. Jordan is probably gonna be rewarded as if one of the greatest actors of our generation needs to be rewarded by these random assorted people. For a role, like this is not the best role of his career. And anyone who's seen these films on tanks, Timothy Chalmers shouldn't win, it's just incorrect. He's clearly the best candidate in this field. And that he deans to try and sell what is a floundering enterprise of going to the cinema and trying to bang the drum for people to go, and that's being used against him by the Academy to not give him the award is ridiculous. The fact that, like I didn't realize we're dating with Montessori, children here, that like, it's, he's unlikable. You know, oh, we don't like him in this film, so we can't give him an Oscar for it. Like, that's, you're deliberately missing the point, I think if that's what they arrive at, I think Dave has hit the nail in the head. If the Oscars was six weeks ago, he would have won it. It's gone on too long. Like this toxic personality that's been in front of everybody's eyeballs deliberately, and it's his own fault for like over-egging it in that regard, considering the way the wind has gone. And if the Oscars were in January, February, you probably would have got it. So I was oblivious to all of that side show, I have to say. It's interesting. Yeah, so we'll see your pants. I think the film is great. Like it reminded me of, so catch me if you can, as my favorite film, as I mentioned, it's got similar pacing in that regard, but it's more similar in how it refuses to reconcile itself with pursuit of happiness, which I find, I like the film, but it's very frustrating in that every time you think it's been achieved another knockback, and then eventually it does get to him and the streets clapping his hands. He is this main character syndrome before the term was invented, Martin Meuser, where I am so amazing that I'm gonna be wealthy because of it. I've chosen this really random thing to be good at, but because I'm so good and I believe it, I'm gonna be super successful. So let's go on, and I think they ultimately land the plane, and I think for that reason, maybe four stars as well. Okay. With that, I adjourned the inaugural movie cup. We don't have anything planned for episode two. Are there any other sporting films, movies, on the horizon that we know of? We should rewatch all sports movies, Monie Barley, Given Sundae, remember the Titans, to name a few. We boxed that off in a pre-Christmas movie. They were short. I didn't get to spray my wings. I didn't get to spray my wings during the Titans. It was not anything I'd have to say about that, remember the Titans. Is there any Dave, you know? On the horizon sports wise, the Odyssey is the original sports, for the original race sports movie. We've been here. Nicholas K, just being John Madden, Christian Baill, plays legendary Oakland Raiders owner, our Davis. Okay. That'll be good. That's, I think Thanksgiving, sometimes, or maybe late November. We can't wait that long though. Well, we may have to. The Odyssey is actually fair comparison point, because even Mary's premium does feel like a take on the Odyssey in a way. So there's three outcomes. We don't have time for this. We got a wrap, these days. We don't have time for Marty Supremevers on the Odyssey. This is actually turning into Marty Supreme. There's three outcomes that were here. Is there a dog to be rescued? A bathtub comes through the room. Yeah, come on. The feedback that will come from this podcast will either be, who do you think you are? Great job, keep going. Never do it again. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, that's what you just said. Or a third option, no response at all, which would be the worst in diamond we get. The most chilling. But I just be interested to, do people want us to stick to football, stick to sports. They should, like listeners should say, oh my god, should suggest that was hard. What to cover next? There should be a, you know, a straw poll of here's four options, pick one. Well, the only promise I make is that movie related emails will only be read out on the movie club. So it's confined. So we have to wait like months, months, months, weeks. This should be monthly. I mean, this is going to be. Weathering Heights, I don't know. So I'm saying weathering Heights, why can't we do money ball? I don't know how about rewatchable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it feels a bit, um. One of the most successful podcasts in the world is literary gallery watchers. Yeah. But this one's been done. Which is watching movies. They can't, they can't, you know, TM watching a movie and talking about it. Like a lot of podcasts talk about sport. Like I don't think we're in someone else's lane by doing it as well. Well, that's true. That's true. Well, let's see. We will play this very organic. This is alive. Who knows what's going to happen here? Next time clear your schedule as well. Don't be clock watching for the last 30 minutes of your answer. That was unfair. That was unfair. I call it as your entire review. I declared it. I declared it. You still get before stars though. No, I don't. It's three and a half. Three and a half. The podcast won star. And then everything else is five star and it just meets somewhere in the middle. Can I have a friend? I was well. Yeah. We can't stop talking about this film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone needs it. Stop. We're going to wrap this up. So my thanks to Will. I've won last. Oh my God. I'm joking. My thanks to Dave. Thank you. Thank you. And Ronan. Thanks. Thanks everyone. [BLANK_AUDIO]