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We'll be right back. motivated. and just at the end of the season, he'll know that we paid him. That's what I would do if I was in that space. Unorthodox, yes, but effective. Not the worst game plan. Maybe try it. Yeah, we're in a bad spot. It might be what you're trying. You do have to pay Baker. The vibes feel very bad. They don't feel good, no. Like, it doesn't feel like it'll give him a competitive edge. You said it won't leak into the locker room, but they're all adults here. It's their job. I feel like it could very well leak into the locker room. Is that, and Vita Vey wants a trade? Yeah. Like, bad vibes to start. These are not the two things that you want to hear to start. Jomar in solo defense is like, I'm out, too. So, yeah. Yeah. Weak one's going to, and we'll see. It's so early, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then the Bengals got into a fight. Mm-hmm. Jomar Chase was throwing, I actually didn't see any punches thrown, which is good. It's smart. And then afterwards, Joe Burrow was like, yeah, I kind of actually respect what Jomar's, excuse me, not Jomar, won. Won. What number one's doing out there. Number one, you know, you got to have a kind of like a dog's mentality. And then he referred to zero. He's only calling guys by numbers in Cincinnati. I like that. It feels like there's a little bit of back against the wall going on with the Bengals right now, which I like. We also had Tony Romo's arrest video hit the internet. Yep. Listen, don't drink and drive. We've established that. Or drink and operate. Or operate. Bad. You put everyone's life at risk. I watched that video. I was like, he seems okay. I don't know. He also. When he started stretching was like, was like laughing out loud so hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so objectively funny. He's firing up the hips. I thought he was going to run a 40 at one point. He got into a stance. I also, the moment that he, they asked him if he had any head injuries and you could see his like brain flashback to like all the times he was just like put into the dirt and just fucked up. He's like, yeah, I've had a few concussions. Yeah. He should have done the Dak Prescott with the hips. Like gotten those ready to walk the line. But yeah, I mean, I walked away from it. I looked at the video. He said, I'm going to see grandma and grandpa, which I don't think he's talking about his grandparents. No, there was some guy who's like a got you like one obituary. And they're like, yeah, according to the obituaries, all four of Tony Romo's grandparents are dead. He was referring grandma and grandpa like his parents. Well, he was, I think he was going to pick up his kids at his parents. So they were then referred to as grandma and grandpa. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. If you're picking up your, if your kids are with your parents, you would, you, you sometimes refer to them that way. Yeah. He's like, I'm. You're going to go see Nana and Papa. Yeah. Wait a second, Tony. Oh my God. They both passed away 30 years ago. Tony also would have been a nice, sneaky, good move by Tony Roma. Like ever, you know, in, in high school or middle school, you do the move where it's like, you just have like 15 grandparents die. So you can get a day off school. Yeah. She's like, oh yeah, my grandparents died again. That, if that is your excuse, I think then you are allowed to drink and drive in Wisconsin. I mean, Wisconsin, it's a different place. Wisconsin is going to put in like a special lane. Like in the middle of the high occupancy. It's just like high, high alcohol content lane. Drive at your own risk. But yeah, the, uh, the video of him stretching was, was quite something. It was good. He, he looked like he was getting loose. He was, he was getting ready. I'm not a lawyer. Uh, I am studying for the bar exam, but I do feel like he's probably going to get off on that. I'd be, I'd be shocked if the charges stuck to Tony Romo. The question is, does CBS, and I don't know where CBS stands with Tony Romo, but do they use this if they, if they do, in fact. Are, if they do have buyer's remorse on his contract, do they use this as a catalyst to say, Hey, we're going in a different direction. If the video was bad, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think they use it as training. Like the next guy that they sign, it's like, Hey, here's how you're expected to conduct yourself as an employee of CBS sports. If you're ever pulled over for drunk driving, make sure that you activate your glutes. Yes, exactly. For any type of test. It's like Tony Romo does this. Oh, you're so sweet. Mark Sanchez does this. Oh, hello. Human resources. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it is funny also to, to think about Tony Romo sitting in his car and the police officer was like, no, you cannot call your lawyer. We're taking you in. Meanwhile, Tiger Woods flips his SUV. He's just talking to the president in the woods. He's just walking around the woods being like, just talk to the president. I think Tiger's car probably had that like instead of on star, if, if it flips, it just dials Trump's cell phone. Yeah. Okay. Other, other stories. So Tarek Scruble is going to get traded. The question is where Dodgers. Uh, Dodgers, I think actually who, who released, uh, Tarek Scruble. Cause I saw there was like a five teams and the Cubs weren't on it, which pissed me off, but yeah, his, his, so he, he, in his last start, maybe his last start for the Tigers, he leaves the game up seven to one. Then they lose in like 12 innings, uh, blow that lead. I think his catcher got DFA. So that's a pretty good sign to, to say that he's. He's going to not be on the Tigers. I saw the list. Yeah. So it was Dodgers. I think the brewers were on it, which would be, that would be an interesting move. Cause brewers are not known for that type of stuff. Maybe the CC Sabathia trade, like we're like going all in Braves, Cubs, Rays, and Yankees. I want them on the Cubs. So bad. That'd be great. So, so fucking bad. I just feel like any good player will become a Dodger unless we hear otherwise. Yeah. Well, it's even if he's not a Dodger, this trade deadline, he's going to be a Dodger. Yeah. It's going to be a Dodger after the year. Yeah. That, that all, all roads lead to Dodger. What are they saying that, that the expected price is going to be for Scooble? A lot. And. Oh, in terms of contract? No, in terms of, uh, to get him. Cause it's just for the end of this year, right? Yeah. There's no, or he, he's a free agent at the end of this season. Yes. So what is it? What's the price for a rental for Scooble rental? I think it's going to be like couple prospects and probably a big league player. Like it's going to be a lot. Brewers. It kind of sounds like the season. I mean, the Brewers have a loaded farm. So, I mean, the Brewers never lose and they just, they just shit out like good players. So. That'd be fun. No, I would not have fun. Cubs would be fun too. The Brewers would not be a fun thing. Brewers are already, they, they, we went every game anyway. So. Kind of a fun team though. Yeah. But it is. Yeah. It would be very similar to, to the, uh, to CC Sabathia. Um, all right, let me do DraftKings real quick. Then I have a couple other national sports podcast topics. We can, we can chew on for a second before we do. Not rush more DraftKings this summer, where whatever you're watching baseball, golf, soccer, racing, DraftKings has you covered for every single moment of it. DraftKings sports app is now available in all 50 States, bringing the game straight to your fingertips, wherever you are from Florida to Texas, to California, you're in on the excitement at the speed of sports. 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Avoid in New York bet to get bonus bets that expire in seven days trade to get predictions dollars that expire in one year $50 in rewards issued every seven days via click to claim for 14 days. One non-withdrawable reward redeemable terms at DKNG.co slash offer limited time offer speaking of DraftKings. Hank, do you have the leaderboard for the golf tournament that's going on right now? It was the rocket. Can you look up? I did something on DraftKings a couple days ago that might be stupid. I placed a bet. I placed a bet for $500 to win half a million on. Can you guess what it might be on? Brad Dahlke. Correct. Why not? Why not, Brad? He's got a win. Why not? I saw him win the Internet Invitational last year. Yeah. No, it's a fucking stud. Yeah. Is he already? I'm looking at the. Oh, I know. He hasn't teed off. Okay. I was scrolling. So still alive. Is it competitive? Are they better or worse than Francis? Depends. Depends on the day. Yeah. Slightly better. Yeah. On the day. That's fair. Depends on the day. Yeah. I just saw it. And I was like, I know that name. And this number is so crazy. What's the field like? Is it a stacked field? I mean, it's pretty stacked. There's some good players there. Yeah. Fuck. I mean, it's not Scotty and Rory. I don't think. But by the way, shout out Wyndham Clark. Did you guys see Wyndham Clark's first pitch? No. It was nasty. Pull it up. Where was it? Tigers game. It was really nice. Like, rarely do you see. You'll see guys throw a nice first pitch. Like, oh, okay. He did. He had some heat, and it was painted. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Look at that. That's the dream. That's a great first pitch, Max. Is it not? Yeah. No. I would kill for that first pitch. Yeah. He hit the corner perfectly. Donkey is tied for 41st right now. All right. All right. Because he has a T-dog. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. We're good. Listen. We got a little bit of. Strike. There's some names in this tournament. Brad Dahlke is one of them. Correct. He is one of the names in the tournament. What are some other names? We got Paige. Frantic. Frankie. Frelly. We got Shoffley. Ricky Fowler. Nadeshot. No. The Duke. Siwoo Kim. Oh, I can't wait to get back with the boys. Wyndham. Ryan Ruffles. All right, Brad. I mean, it would probably be one of the most shocking results in the game. In sports? Yeah. if he won yeah has he played any other tournaments this year uh speed he's played like a couple dp world tour tournaments how'd he do he made the cut in one of them okay i mean if he like winning would be shocking i think he could make a cut and do decently what if he just won but if he won that would be i'm doing it too oh yeah right i mean i get on the donkey train i can't we have to at least i can't endorse something put five dollars every day they put the words gamble responsibly underneath our faces five dollars five thousand it's a little it's a little it's a little baby unit i don't think i'm allowed to bet on it's kind of like the wmba rules as somebody that's going to be competing against them i don't think i'm allowed to put money on them yeah um okay other stories uh did you have any pft because i have another one that that uh i mean we're yeah we got a quarterback battle oh we gotta we gotta keep people updated on the quarterback battle okay uh so is it going to be uh our good friend deshaun watson or is it going to be sador sador sanders in cleveland because uh the way that that their coaching staff is putting it is like we don't know the players are going to have to be the ones that tell us it's i think i think i said it's not up to the coaches to make that decision it's up to the players to make that decision for us who the who the leader is going to be and then somebody asked jerry judy on the live stream who it was and then he just held up four fingers that's deshaun that's deshaun yeah it sounds like deshaun might be coming back or is it mr fourth quarter sador sanders that's a valid point i don't know i didn't think about that one but i the funniest possible circumstance would be if it was deshaun and he plays really really well and then the browns give him another contract yeah that would like oh yeah we actually committed to you long term that might be the funniest possible i hope it doesn't happen for for my cleveland people out there you guys have suffered long enough but you have to admit like you'd be if you're gonna lose you might as well be hilarious and that would be the funniest way yeah um okay the other the other golf news that we forgot to talk about hank yeah congratulations on what live would you like to apologize no why because i don't want to you should you should apologize no i will not live is not dead it is on life support potentially potentially not dead so what happened hank uh there's not signed that's the one thing i don't you know we've we maybe called it too early with it being dead we might be calling it too with it being back there's reports that they have uh gotten a 250 million dollar investment to be able to put on future events from who it's undisclosed and how many future events it might be a ramco yeah a ramco they make good oil well i don't know they would um obviously they would have to restructure everything like it could be less oh no they're not good at restructuring no they should just go back to three rounds and shorts yeah wait so 250 million doesn't feel like it would keep the league going for very long unless it's like the league just becomes a hole in one stream or something well that's like half of that's like half of phil's contract yeah what that's all of john rom the funny thing is like yeah that's the thing the players yeah i don't know who would stick around but lives like the teams the ip of the teams the four aces like there will be four aces dustin johnson might not be one of them like they just might have might be like a you know like the corn fairy guys just are now live guys smash gc bryson was saying like that's one of those options oh come on come on is that bryson they're the oklahoma yeah they're the oklahoma golf club now but but bryson was on the on smash gc right no what was he on brooks bryson's the crushers oh my bad crushers still gone brooks was the crushers okay so bryson was saying though that when it came to the crushers the ip and the crushers that's worth at least a half billion dollars for him so he'll be okay i'm just thinking about it i'm just thinking about it i'm just thinking that if you're if you're on the live tour and you've been on the live tour the players get accustomed to a a certain lifestyle over the years they get you know first class flights great spread nice meals great transportation no cuts no cuts are they going to be running this on like a shoestring budget because you might lose some of the players that way definitely yeah i mean there's yeah saudi money and then like a regular investment it's it's different different companies different worlds yeah i'm so congrats yeah thank you you're gonna take the yeah yeah yeah i mean you said it was dead so if you're gonna say it's dead then you you know i still think it's dead i think you should apologize i'm not going to so we're at a standoff but you took the you i'm not apologizing for saying it's dead but you're taking the congrats for being alive yeah interesting yeah but it's not alive yet it's more alive today than it was the last show is it more dead or alive alive i disagree it's a zombie i think it's dead zombie live i think it's far more dead it's critical condition okay okay so but a lot does it is there a picture of it maybe it's in a coma but like it's kyle shanahan stable with this with his uh red button down did you guys see wgn yeah his older asian wife yeah actually accidentally used that beam yeah pretty funny so yeah i i just think hank um 250 they're gonna need maybe it's just the start maybe like they just need to see one go through one domino falls and there might be a bunch of we've got about a half billion in marketing money that we like to light on fire where are we going to spend it and then they see this and they're like oh i know yeah what that sounds good let's invest and live it might just take one company to do it and then the dam breaks us us no absolutely not how much we could put on we could sponsor one hole we could sponsor john rom walking from from the from the clubhouse to the t-box that's what we can afford what do you think that our name got brought up and the negotiations been like it's not that relevant but this show talks about it every episode yeah yeah they're like as long as they keep talking about it we got to try to save it i i don't think it's a zero percent chance that we got brought it is kind of crazy that we made zero dollars off live yeah like we should have gotten fucking money on any league podcast of all time we are a sports podcast a national sports podcast my view facts we have gotten paid from any league but if there was ever a lead to get paid by pretty much they paid everyone they asked me i i said i said i don't want to know the number because if you tell me the number i'm going to want to do it so no number what do you mean they asked you it's also a lie what hank just said what i said pretty much yeah no it's this is uh pll f1 yeah good point excellent points all around f1 didn't pass i mean oh i guess it was advertisers yeah okay yeah but i they did they didn't okay anyways anyways there's definitely been a pitch there's been a marketing meeting at live where they they just say like the uh here's here's how much buzz we've generated across media and they they say like they've been mentioned for like 70 minutes per week on the number one sports podcast they don't disclose what the content of that discussion is they don't say what we said but they're just like we're generating buzz invest and live this guy's in a four aces hat and shirt and tie talking to the former president of the united states just use that screenshot from the the joe biden club true yep okay i mean it would be funny if we are the reason why live is still trying to stay alive yeah it's chicken and her egg are we saving live is live saving us who knows who knows who's all right last story i had uh lebron james is doing a full documentary he signed a deal with espn uh welcome to the clown show that's a great intro is that the name of it yeah the clown show it seemed like michael jordan had some cameras following him around yeah i mean that footage didn't come out for like 30 years so the cameras weren't there those cameras it also way less way less cameras than today's cameras cameras just peered out of thin air there's there's so much cameras and there's gonna be real-time clips way more cameras in the world today than there were back then yes you're proving my point with inflation it's the same amount of yeah it may be fewer cameras i think it's actually fewer cameras you think it's gonna be a distraction i don't think that i don't think i'm jordan did any confessional one-on-one interviews during that documentary it was more like after you know the season it wasn't while he was playing he didn't like get changed out of his uniform take a shower and then go sit down for a camera i think lebron might be this back in the day interviews documentaries didn't exist back in the day what not like that yeah right it was a lot of cameras that were filming stuff that were not like it wasn't hey lebron what do you think about this game compare do you documentaries documentaries that are in season now yeah compared to the 90s that's true yes but there were such thing as documentaries and i'm talking about like day-to-day basis max i'm talking about in-season documentaries there's a documentary for everything but what i'm saying follows everyone in every sport in every league i think and everyone's distracted it happens i think with me and big cat we're saying talking about lebron because everyone talks about lebron i think what we're saying is that the quarterback how about jayden daniel yeah that worked out real good last year didn't that was a great season how about that you didn't think about that last year jayden didn't have a good year he stank he got hurt didn't win a super bowl that year be a real shame if that happened to lebron we'll see real the chiefs were trying to do i think they weren't they doing a three-peat documentary when they were trying to win the third in a row and they didn't oh no distractions we'll see are you excited about this i don't give a fuck actually yes i am excited about i want to watch it yeah even if you when he wins i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna watch Watch it so fucking hard, and you two are just going to cry, and I'm going to drink your fucking tears after LeBron Doc just shows him. You know what? He's finally stepping up. Hold him, Larry O'Brien. I forgot the name of the trophy. You're becoming LeBron sexual. Yeah. If you decide to steal and they get knocked out in the first round, they still have to put it out. They have to put it out. Then it would be the greatest thing ever. They don't make the playoffs? He wouldn't. No, he wouldn't. I guarantee you that they will put this down. If there is a signed deal with ESPN, that documentary is coming out no matter what. Now, do you think that it's going to be, like, weekly basis? Do you think it's going to be monthly? How often can we expect an update? No, it's after he's retired it's coming out. Oh, so it's nothing in season? Post-mostly. Yeah, if they lose in heartbreaking fashion, zero. Zero percent chance it comes out. Mm-hmm. It's coming out. Okay. What do you mean? It's coming. They're signing a deal. Okay. So you're pumped for this documentary? Pumped. Fired up. It's going to be sick. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome to the Clown Show. It's actually a good name. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you got to, like, if you're like Joel Embiid, you see LeBron going to the confessional, you're like, what is he talking about? Yeah, you have to wonder. Yeah. And then you're not going to find out for another year? Mm-hmm. Give me a break. Give me a break, Max. Give me a break, dude. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Come on. You kidding me? You're not ready for this. No. I just nailed that. Yeah, you finally showed a little fight. That was probably the best arguing I've ever done on this show. Yeah, you showed a little fight. Well, I think that it is reasonable to say that when they did the Michael Jordan documentary, like, after a game, during the season, he wasn't spending his time going into a room, talking to the camera. It's a different world now. Throwing his teammate on the bus. Yeah, I'm saying it's more distraction. People do it all the time now. And it's not great. I don't think it's always great. If you haven't figured out by now, on this show, specifically when it comes to LeBron, we're going to be playing the results. So whatever happens, then we're going to fit our narrative around that. What are you going to do if he wins? Oh, we'll get there. We'll get there, Max. Yeah, we will get there. Don't worry about that. We will get there. I already said it. It was the four teams. You can't be the GOAT. And then someone pointed out Wayne Gretzky played for four teams. But listen, that's why we stay fluid. That's why we're always fluid here. That's a good point. I'm shocked. I had that one in my back pocket. So LeBron, is anybody else on the Sixers going to be making money off this documentary or just LeBron? LeBron has taken enough sacrifice for the money of this team. So he's going to be. Did you see that he turned down $20 million from the Clippers to go to the Sixers for $3.8 million? Yeah, I'm just saying. So he's going to be making money. And he's going to be like, hey, everybody has to be in my movie that I'm getting paid on. Yeah, correct. But you guys don't. Because they're getting paid more than him. It sounds like Pablo Torre needs to give him a call. Sounds like he should look into. He should look into this movie business. I'd agree. I'd agree. Okay. Let's do. Should we do Mount Rushmore? And then we got some interviews? Yeah. Kumbaya. Yeah. Kumbaya. All right. Before we get to Mount Rushmore, it is brought to you by our friends at Reese's. There's something for everyone when it comes to Reese's. I have a new favorite. No, wait. It's not new because I've been doing it a lot. But Reese's Sticks. Reese's Sticks are just so. I've been on a Reese's Sticks kick. Reese's is the best candy out there. They got everything. You can go with just the traditional 1-1 Mount Rushmore pick of the Reese's Peanut Butter Cup. They also have it with marshmallows or Oreos. Or you can do the Reese's Sticks. 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No regrets about that. I have lots of regrets about maybe the way I performed in some of the other Mount Rushmores, notably the two prior to this one. This one, I was back. Statement loss. Statement loss. And I'm a process guy. I don't play. The process was good. And I think we're trending in the right direction. And now you got to stack days. That's the next step. Yeah. So you lost. But you haven't. Don't you need to start to then stack? No, we're stacking days. That was a good. But you're at the. You haven't. You need one to start the stack. You're a results guy. I'm a process. You're playing the result. Got it. You're stacking. That was a good process. You're stacking. Yeah. I'm stacking process. William Clark. Good process. Yeah. Good process. Okay. Because that was. Like, look at that team. That's a team I'll lose with. So it was. What was the final? It was 39.3% for me, Max memes. And then 30.6%. Yeah. For Hank and Zach and 30%. That's as close as we've had in a very long time. Going to sleep, coffee, watching golf on TV and spanking. So that's a team that I will lose with. You'll go to war with them. I'm happy with that team. Yeah. Okay. So it's 35 points for me. Memes and Max. 25 points for PFT and Hank and Zach are 24 points. Mount Rushmore of buttons to press. Who's up first? We are. I thought, Zach, those two, I just texted one. You pick. I honestly, you pick. We're going to go with the order now button. Order now. Order now. Okay. Order now button. It's a good button. Okay. I had it on the list. Order now. So that could be food. That could be shopping. Yeah. Order now is a good button. You're getting food delivered. You're getting new clothes, whatever. You know, it's. It's fun to buy things and hitting that order now. Yep. Okay. My one one is on the table. So I'm going to go with it. I'm second, right? Yeah. Okay. Snooze. The snooze button. It's a good button. I love the snooze button. That's a really good one. Just delay the waking up. Yeah. That is a good one. I didn't even. We were talking about alarm and I was like, no, it's actually the worst button to press and I didn't even. The next thought should have been. Snooze. Yeah. That also would have been a bad one maybe for Zach to press. Yeah. But we're. Yeah. Well, it means I feel like we both love the snooze. You do love the snooze. Yeah. Snooze button's the worst button you can hit. Okay. Boys, what do we do? We have our first two. Should we just. Wait, which ones are they again? I just texted it. Seven. Oh. Do seven. Okay. Should we not? Should we not say that first one that we initially thought was one one? Yeah. No. I think we might be able to get that. Okay. Right. Should we do it? Should we do. So five and 19. 5 and 19, you're saying? Yeah, the one that I texted. 12. You guys shut up. 6. No, no, no. 2-5, 2-5. 2-7. No, stop it. Three of us. Yeah. 7 is a good pick. All right, go 8. You're fucking us up now. Yeah, but this needs to happen so you can be decisive. This is insane. I like 5 and 18. I like 12. All right, all right. First one we're going to take is the TV remote. Press power on for the TV remote. Power on. TV remote. TV remote. And then the second one we're going to pick is hotel AC down. Just jamming that button. Getting it as cold as possible. A million times. So many times. But yeah, there's nothing better than turning your TV on when you sit down and you're just like, here we go. Turning my TV on. What do we want the exact phrasing to be for that? TV power. TV power on. Yeah. Remote. Yeah. Remote TV power on. I don't know how to phrase it. TV remote power. Button. Button. And then hotel AC down. Yeah. There's something getting in the 50s. Yeah. It's great. But they don't actually get in the 50s. No, it doesn't. They just let you click the button because they know that it's satisfying to do. And honestly, they're right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So my second pick, I'm going to take skip ad button. Okay. The skip ad button on a video. I love that button. I actually disagree. I don't think anyone should skip any of our ads. Yep. I agree with you. To each of their own. Ads are very important. I disagree. Ads support your show. I would argue. Skip ad. Terrible pick. We get paid either way. We really need that. Skip the ads. Nope. Nope. That's not true. Definitely not. Definitely don't skip the ads. Skip the ads. Way to go, PFTs. Right against ourselves. Skip the ads. Nope. Do not skip the ads. Or just pay for YouTube premiumly. You could pay for YouTube. You're rich. But there are sometimes ads on not YouTube. I'm not necessarily talking about YouTube. We don't want you to skip those ones either. Keep listening to the ads. Please do not skip those. Skip ad button's pretty sad. Nope. No. You know it is. Your entire job. All right, Zach. I think we go with one and three or three and one. I don't know if it matters. Oh, three and one. No, one and three. One and two. Go two. Go four. What about seven? That was a good impression of yourself. What do you think about? Yeah. Yeah. Those are both good picks. All right. We're going to go with the chair recliner button. We had it. And we're going to go with your best friend's button. Okay. Pushing the buttons of your best friend's. Yeah, I had a similar one. Fun. Okay. Chair recliner, best friends. Yeah. Thoughts? I like it. Good picks. Yeah. I had reclined, too. We had reclined, as well. I'm going to go with exiting a video call. It's a good button, especially if it's work-related. If you're in a team's meeting, if you're doing some sort of remote thing with your boss, exit the video call. Very satisfying. Okay. Yeah, it makes a noise, too. What are we doing, boys? I mean, we could do four. Easy. Right? Max, we could do four. Look at Max's list. I also like 14. That's got to be the best of all. Oh, no, no, no, no. Let's go four and 17. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. The podcast button. The PMT button. Needs to be the PMT podcast button. It's got to be pressed. It's a great button to press. Max pressing it. Very relatable. Yeah. Well, yeah, because everyone listening right now, they need that button to be pressed. That is correct. They've never pressed it. So listen. Anyone voting for that has never pressed the podcast button. No, they need the button to be pressed. Jacob is going to vote. Yeah. It's already been pressed, though. You're going to vote. You pressed it. Yeah. Memes is going to vote. He's pressed it. Colton. Pug's going to vote. Yeah, we're also thinking about the people. Yeah, we're thinking about the people. People are going to press the button to listen to this podcast. If anyone is allowed to make that pick, it's us. We're allowed. You're allowed to make whatever pick you want. I mean, yeah, but it wouldn't make it. Welcome to America. It's true. Big Cass never even pressed the button. button i could press the button you want me to press the button tonight no i'll do it we need the podcast though yeah i just i just texted i just texted you guys what our actual last picture be yeah yeah okay yeah covers everything video game console turn it on yeah best yeah like you know you're about to sit down and do some gaming yeah it's a great fucking feeling that's gonna be that's gonna be our next pick thought about taking it one one yeah it's zach you know it's a good pick it's a good pick it's a great pick thank you you do all four of ours at the same time what was ours uh tv remote yeah video game council yeah ac down yeah and listening part of my take yeah sure i'm gonna go with uh voting in an online twitter poll as my last pick for button to press i think everybody that votes in this is probably going to agree that that's a pretty important button it is yeah very important that's your pick that's your pick yeah i think it's a pretty good pick and it's worded like that voting great pick yeah vote voting in an online poll you can't change it now you should have just said team two okay voting for team two but yeah well i don't want to exclude anybody that is thinking about maybe not voting for okay it's true and they see that and they're like yeah i love rush we always get to it eventually kind of it kind of nailed me i'm going i'm about to vote in this poll yeah and not pandering mm-hmm you can vote for whoever you want you also hate our sponsors you do i don't and you wouldn't be able to listen to this if you if if the podcast button wasn't pressed that's also a good point yeah it's a good point it looks like we've all just done a really good draft that's what it sounds like kumbaya kumbaya yeah kumbaya yeah i mean we i think do you want to do that one zach you want to just take a safe one do we just say fuck it oh i hope i i hope yeah say fuck it i think the fuck it is probably could be the one that we've that we were thinking doing one one i think i think say it uh this last text at 11 32 yeah all right we're gonna take any red button any red actually not bad i love that yeah any red button's good that's we nuke we were yeah we're gonna think about nuke but then we're like it doesn't it's the most powerful button but it's probably not a good button you don't feel good probably pressing that button i think you probably do though you probably feel in the moment no way ah you feel bad after you press i mean adrenaline rush of a lifetime and then yeah you're probably dead i also had uh i had right trigger like on the gaming console we had spin move yeah a perfectly tight spin move is the best one of my one that is not relatable to anyone but must be the best button to press of all time is the confetti after a championship what about we also fucked up what about confetti when you're going into overtime uh good question that was a bad one that's that wouldn't have been my pick i we also fucked up after a champion because one of my favorite picks we just didn't pick we should have the submit bet button oh fuck so stupid that is stupid that's we had we were planning and then we had too many we had too many we got 19 buttons did you have clit pft we actually had more we had g spot i did not have clit no but we didn't know where to find it so not sick rag hank yeah uh closed door elevator great button to press i've heard that those aren't connected really yeah most of them like if you ever call in a repairman and if that button's not working they just never fix it yeah that well that's but it's still a good button to press yeah it's good but yeah i'm getting it feels like you're doing something sneaky button that really has no meaning but it it just it's actually it's fun to press microwave door open the one that goes in yep it's just a fun button to press it's nice and mechanical yeah uh what about the uh stick i but you missed so many tackles not a button yeah it's not a button stick but you have to don't you have to click it no this is you you're doing the the inglorious bastards three okay well how about the fox three fox three launching an amram shit that's a good button this is this is about to be a gunfight um i love max hates this because max is a pussy i love the garbage disposal i think it's awesome uncomfortable that button oh yeah you're like what does that mean he makes you uncomfortable have you ever lived dude living in new york without a garbage disposal and then getting one back it's like it's the best there's just nothing better though it's one of the greatest inventions and you like pile it up with shit and you're just like or like even weird like when you do eggs or something like that you're just like i'm gonna go for it and it sounds like it's good yeah when it's like full and you can tell it's really like carving through yeah it's like or you throw like a like a lime in there and you're like this is gonna take some work i'm gonna have to i'm gonna have to really run some water and listen to this i think my biggest fear is having my hand stuck in the garbage disposal when it's on so i think that oh is that because you're just trying to get one last bite like what if you're trying to shove something down there yeah yeah you're like i'm throwing this away and then like oh no i want a last bite 10 minutes later you're like something down the garbage disposal that you have to put your hand in and take it out but i didn't press the button i know but like that if it does turn on not really pfd well no what do you mean you've never had to take something out of the garbage disposal you gotta you gotta do it you gotta do it you gotta do it gotta clear you've never used a sink i've never reached my hand down there but you have to like clear the top sometimes and when you clear the top but it's not all max is saying it's not on there was one house that i looked at and uh this is like probably 10 years ago i was going to move into this place and uh the garbage disposal button was a little light switch that was in front of the sink at your like stomach height that's that's just just terrifying it was the most terrifying switch that i've ever seen i was like no this this house is cursed i'm not losing hand here that's crazy yeah um all right other yeah but max don't eat from the garbage disposal okay i had pressing max's buttons yeah we did too but he kind of they kind of took it with best friends it's just a worse version of it max my best friend i i had to explain in the car pft to max and memes the cbs boss button oh the boss button unbelievable button the for for anyone who doesn't know what we're talking about cbs when march madness it was probably like 15 ish years ago you would watch march madness on your computer at work and they put in a boss button on the browser where if you clicked it it immediately went to a fake excel spreadsheet yeah the boss button great button i had uh the button that sends the vacuum tube at the bank oh that's good that's a good button that's good it just sucks it away we had walkie talkie the talk yeah that's good click um the i'm over 18 the yes i'm over 18 button that allows you access to certain websites yeah that's a good one yeah for sure that's good that's a good one probably should have gone with that one yeah um push to walk i still press it doesn't do anything but it's kind of fun to press it yeah push to start push to start we had push start add to cart was you kind of guys took it with but add to cart is fun oh soda fountain great yeah it's not really no there's one where you press on the front the the new age ones i like the one and the old one i like the one where you click it into the level yeah but there's new age ones and now there's old like the old ones that you used to press but the new age ones too where you have like you can make whatever so like you there's like 7 000 sodas also the ice button when in a hotel that's fun just filling it up like i'm getting all the ice ice buttons good um like submit button when you're submitting a resume or submitting like a term paper yep yep max ac button max ac pretty good yeah what about what about the mute button i said that max city like the unmute button but it's the same button yeah yeah it's just i'm i was thinking going back to what you said the other day when it's like oh yeah you're watching sports but then it's like could you mute that i want to listen to i want to listen to music there's there's people here we don't need to listen to the audio and it's like that's that's a tough button to press when you have to click the mute so you can listen to the music garage door i love pressing the garage door button it's a good one it just makes you feel kind of it makes you feel like uh walter white i did a project yeah yeah just like i'm gonna it's just the whole world opens like shit that was cool or closing it and the play button is actually we're in a bad spot it's good button i think we're in a good spot i think this is gonna be another tight race i think it's gonna be a really tight way to know we got all i mean video games we probably should have taken but we we got our top we had four about out of our top five we could have had video games we just didn't what if your top five wasn't great i think i like our top five was your first one order now your best friends chair recliner any red button yeah that one any red button is good okay that one i'm no i like any red button he's better than your best friends but that's the best button to press yeah but matt we would have if you hadn't taken that we would have maybe taken max's buttons because that's my favorite button to press in the whole world you guys are max didn't understand when we first started talking about it i was like max's button he's like oh you mean like for the podcast it's like no dude like for you and he's like oh yeah i do i like to press it i like pushing your guys buttons too though any of your friends we never we never push your buttons no hank is one giant button we play it straight up with you hank he can't exist because he's just he is a button uh all right good mount rushmore boys let's get to our interviews we got coach sig coach bob chesney and then we have our good friend joel clatt talking football with all three coach sig's gonna be brought to you by mountain dew summer is coming i can't wait to see you for camp barstool i can't wait to hang outside with boys can't wait to spend some time by the lake nothing goes better with it in the lake and hanging with your friends than the refreshing citrus kick of mountain dew mountain dew is proudly born in the foothills of tennessee you can enjoy the refreshing citrus kick of mountain dew it's an american original check it today mountain dew grab a do tasting great since 48 and now here's coach kurt signetti okay we now welcome on a very very special guest it is indiana football coach kurt signetti national champion am i allowed to say that because i know that you've banned those words from your office they're not banned but we're getting ready to start a new year that's for sure okay how many times has it been said in your in your office since you won the national championship oh i don't count i'm more interested in converting on third down and scoring touchdowns in the red area i like that yeah you did get rid of all the the uh trophies though you put those away you stash those away so they're not staring you in the face yeah the the trophies we had a new trophy case you know we had to uh create build a new trophy room uh in the facility because for such a long time there wasn't much to put in it right so it's almost done it's going to be big time first class i like that that's great uh so we got a few little items in my office you know my office has always been very spartan secondary to me you know i've never tried to create a monument but uh there's been so many uh that we don't have enough room to do that so we're not going to have enough room for them yet so they end up at my office somehow some way i just put them where i can't see them yeah maybe bring them out when a recruit comes in that's got to be a nice like reminder that hey this thing has uh this has worked pretty quickly because you had to build an entire trophy case finally to put all the trophies in yeah now we got to build a new stadium yeah no i'm just kidding maybe a little bit maybe you're a little bit serious about that one this is so this is two years uh almost to the day that you sat down big ten media day of things at your first big ten media day was that a strategy were you were you like i better burn the boats i better say all of it yeah that way i feel like i have i have to back it up or else well i was out there on a limb thank thankfully it was a strong limb yeah uh but you know it all began really with my first day on the job uh and i it didn't take long to feel the doom gloom despair and hopelessness and uh so at the basketball game that night you know what was said was said and i had to find out if the fan base was uh on life support or dead and uh you know said a few things uh obviously the google me caught fire uh that was just being asked the same question for the 15th time media day actually two days ago somebody sent me something on our first media day here where i talked about being picked second to last and gave some historical facts and i looked at it and kind of laughed like wow i was really out there yeah you know yeah uh so two years you know a lot of wins 27-2 called uh national championship uh we've done a lot of good things uh so chapter three getting ready to turn the page i'd say you backed it up pretty well and i was a big fan of yours at james madison when you're the coach there um i'm sorry for jinxing you after on the college game day appearance um the one loss that we had against app state that's on me i don't know who else you can blame about that one so i apologize for that um because i was watching you last year i was like how did how did this team lose to app state at home i i didn't get it because you had so many guys from jamie that followed you to uh to indiana and i was just because after you guys won the national championship the one thing i noticed immediately i believe the first five guys to touch the trophy were all guys that came with you was that intentional or is that just like these are the guys that were naturally towards the front because they're deleting mendoza was up there also yep uh to be fair coogan also uh but you did have camara uh pawns uh surat tucker i believe uh you know that was a nice nucleus uh you know we had been together a long time uh recruited a lot of guys and uh you know we had been together a long time uh recruited a lot of guys and uh you know we had been together a long time uh recruited a lot of guys guys out of high school and developed them uh and then you know they wanted to play on the biggest stage and prove themselves because uh you know why wasn't i recruited by virginia virginia tech kind of thing and uh they came here and proved that they can play at the highest level and a lot of them are in nfl camps right now high draft choices not only good players but uh high character smart guys you get good players that are smart and have good character you can do a lot of things yeah i had a question about your path as a coach because it's an interesting one a lot of people if they're at alabama with nick saban that is kind of the last stepping stone to something bigger but you realized hey i have to go somewhere else be a head coach at a lower level and work my way up this way right uh was there a moment where you're like hey maybe i'm not going to be a head coach like this isn't going to work out for me a lot of them and then you know i was hitting a big 5-0 and uh being a coach's son you you tend to like follow the other coaches through all the years from the 70s that were on staff and they're you know they're they're they're they're they're career paths and yeah the market for a 60 year old assistant coach at that time it's not a great market right you know i was turning 50. and so i always wanted to be a head coach i always thought i'd be a good head coach it was very unconventional move it was a huge pay cut um and but when i took that job like if you know if i was there 20 years i was gonna be there 20 years like i didn't take that job every day waking up thinking i got to get here i got to get there we just we got good we did it and uh the opportunities came yeah you started winning and you just never stopped winning really yeah that's kind of what has been the story yeah we win yeah yeah how did how did you identify like the different jobs that you want to take were they the only ones that were offered like was indiana university of pennsylvania no there were turned down jobs and then sometimes you interview for a job you don't get it and i mean i was at iup for six years yeah and i i mean i had two great teams coming back i thought could really contend and maybe win the national championship uh and then you know this opportunity elon came and yeah i was in nc state before i knew elon there wasn't much down there i wasn't even going to go talk to my agent convinced me i was on a plane what am i doing i get down there man they had built the school had doubled in size it looked like a country club they built all kind of new facilities back then that was the top one double a conference in the country then missouri valley and we went in there and everybody thought was hopeless much like indiana was probably in worse shape in indiana and shoot you know we lost to toledo in the opener they won the mac and then we ripped off eight in a row man and we were beating teams that beat them the year before 56-6 people couldn't believe it uh and uh you know a year later um turned down a couple jobs ended up at jmu and you know i liked it there i wasn't looking to leave jmu now jeff bourne was retiring i loved him uh and he told me oh fuck people are going to come after you people are going i said no no no i like it here you know a little uh i'm a miffed that you know we had transitioned to sunbelt won the east two years around couldn't play in the championship game yeah yeah wasn't very pleased about that but uh this one here uh had been here a couple times the big ten tv contract really caught my eye i knew they'd had some years with mallory uh i really didn't realize how it had bottomed out in terms of fan support and the long-term record because it was such it was three-day process i get here oh we got 10 offensive starters in the transfer portal the whole defense is gone i mean we had a lot of work to do and uh it just sort of all came together yeah it i mean it really is one of the best stories that's happened in sports like i i you can't really look at many teams franchises schools that have had this type of turnaround this quickly that if you told someone five years ago indiana's gonna win a national title in football they'd be like well you're you you've you've died and you've gone i think most people in the know would agree it's one of a kind one of a kind yeah yeah story yeah and it doesn't happen without great support from the top pam witness scott dolson and i don't take this job without a great them uh who i got to know in a 72 hour period and uh you know as you guys know nothing great gets done without a commitment from the top yeah so so in terms of turning the page and like you said chapter three i'm i i would assume you you're a type of guy who has no no problem turning the page no no problem yeah but in terms of your staff in terms of you know some of the guys that are coming back who have had all these the other they're rocks don't have a problem either they wouldn't be on staff yeah true okay so but but but the player like they're you know these are these are 20 21 year old kids that are rock stars now no question and they've gotten all the success how do you get them to be like hey we we're back to zero and zero no one's proved anything i think our people that went to dinner last night would disagree with who the rock star is right now as the pretty young girls were passing up to 20 year olds but no um i think we have enough core guys in that locker room that have been we've been together that know how we operate and they've done a great job of bringing the new guys in and helping them out and they've done a great job of bringing the them a simulated culture and you know that's what coaches get paid for is you know we don't talk enough about development which is what it's all about uh you know and i think that's where we really excels in development and uh getting everybody think alike and creating the intangibles on your football team and i think this is going to be a huge uh fall camp for us uh because playing a 16 game season and some of the portal guys we brought in had injuries at their previous places uh those guys didn't get a chance to work together a lot so this is a huge august camp for us yeah and then uh getting them to do things our way you know the marathon is not a sprint it's a marathon the season is a marathon not a sprint and uh once you kind of develop and maintain consistency and performance in terms of your standards uh in terms of the way you do things day to day and prepare then anything's possible yeah how are you going to handle being the uh the hunted now that you're at the top it's like now you've got a big target on your back it's a i bought a bigger gun that's a great answer okay all right that's you i also like you we kind of passed you just won the championship but you're like you're going to win again with an answer like that yeah we passed over it but when we were talking about you winning and you just like you kind of mumbled under your breath like we went we went that's what we did we went like that's just you're just it's just coursing through your veins winning i mean i believe in our um blueprint plan process and the way we go about doing things and our ability to get everybody to think alike and perform to a standard uh it's worked in the past and i don't see any reason it shouldn't work again all right so now here's a tough football question do you go shirtless under your q-zip i do that's weird is it yes get the zipper caught in the chest here it gets caught in the zipper sometimes like what do you do does the fabric not feel weird i don't like things that are tight like this button up here you know okay uh i noticed nice and loose and i feel comfortable it's kind of like a psycho killer move where it's like i don't trust that guy but he's got something to him like gonna stay away you gotta have a little killer in yeah in this business but i think i first remembered it when the rose bowl i i i was i was heavy on like hey i think indiana's gonna kick the shit out of bama and i you came out with that q-zip with nothing underneath and i was like this guy got a screw loose and they're about to lay the hammer on him wow you're really looking yeah no that's a hey it's attention to detail we can help you out with that we know that attention to detail we notice all the dumbest stuff that happens during a football game somebody has to right and when you're sweating on directly on that fabric it's got there's got to be some chaffage there's got to be the the chest you're getting caught in the zipper but that's a man that's only focused on ball you don't care about that yeah i've never noticed yeah uh go ahead i was gonna say you talked about bringing a bigger gun this year um where's that gun manufacturers that um is that cuban is that a cuban gun that you're bringing this year you know indiana has the largest alumni base in america i think penn state's number two and as you guys saw we took over the college football playoff i mean we probably had 75 percent of people at the rose ball 95 at the peach ball and 60 in miami on miami's home field so a lot of wealthy hoosiers out there yep uh mark played a role last year uh and hopefully we can keep them in the program uh but there's a lot of wealthy hoosiers out there so when you were hired um we i don't know if we said it at the time i was confident that you would do a good job because i'd gotten to coach i knew what you were all about i don't think anybody predicted this but after you won the championship last year i think we said on part of my take you might be the best hire for any job that's i'm not talking about football i'm talking about just any occupation anyone that's ever been hired in american history you might be the best would you agree with that statement do i get a trophy for that this is your trophy one that you're going to put in your closet i really can't think that way uh that's counterproductive to what i've got to do in the way i operate um i bounce back from wins real quick we stalk complacency if you're not striving uh and getting better somebody else is so you're getting worse uh what are you doing now what's important now and i always like to be uh productive in my work in the moment uh organized structured work smart uh because i grew up in this business you know and if you want to be the best it takes some different kind of qualities and traits and uh you can't always have a good time you can't always be a good guy uh you're the leader my job is to get the most out of every single person in that building coaches and players i read something mendoza said last week about he squeezes all the juice out of that orange you can that that's the key of the drill and then you got to get them all think alike yeah yeah how long did you give yourself to celebrate though you had to have like a couple days where it was like this is pretty cool i think it's just so chaotic and hectic you know you don't go to bed till three in the morning uh because you're you know maybe go up to the president's suite right and then uh you're on with espn at eight in the morning the next day and then you're traveling back and then you get in the office and you're way behind on everything and really feel like i'm just getting caught up here as we get ready to go to camp yeah yeah all right i know you got to leave in a second uh by the way what makes it what what makes pittsburgh such a football city where it feels like a lot of coaches come from that area it's like it's something about it well probably back back in the day the steel mills i mean way back ditka and those guys yeah joe walton and uh schottenheimer and you know then was cower and uh you know and then the steel curtain right yeah people got fanatic about the steelers and after they got done you know but it's that one in 13 seasons yeah joe green and lc greenwood and those guys yeah yeah it's a tough blue collar area yeah and uh you know so tough people are not given yeah um all right last question rollback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k dot com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts rollback.com promo code take we got zach here zach is uh it's gonna ask you a question come on zach did have a quick question for you uh you know just us right now a couple guys talking football having a good time i was wondering if you can give us a peek at the secret formula on uh pretty much how you got it done last season he asked for a secret sauce wow you want your secret sauce he did it in a very nice way though so you should probably blueprint people plan process standards consistency and performance in that order say that again what's that acronym wait say that again blueprint blueprint standard people okay process plan standards consistency and performance preparation accountability you're just throwing extra ones in there you just threw a little extra salt little extra pepper yeah it didn't do you definitely have a thesaurus huh you got a lot of synonyms a lot of those kind of mean the same all those words mean something yeah i'm gonna break that we're gonna have to break that down later certainly yeah okay you work on that um well coach thank you so much we really appreciate it uh maybe next time we'll come down and visit you we'd love to do an extended one but appreciate any time you gave us all right guys thanks so much appreciate it coach sig was brought to you by cuervo and cuervo devil's reserve pineapple jalapeno infused tequila it's like a spicy marg in a bottle it's smooth it's delicious devil's reserve is the perfect drink for when mischief is on the menu it's available in multiple sizes included 50 milliliter shooters perfect to bring to your party or your tailgate it's time to listen to that little devil on your shoulder pour a round of shots get ready to raise a little bit of hell check out cuervo today go to your local liquor store or go to cuervo.com get your own bottle of devil's reserve raise a little hell please drink responsibly and now here's ucla coach bob chesney okay we now welcome on a very very special guest it is ucla head coach bob chesney and i'm your host bob chesney and i'm your host bob chesney coach uh thank you for joining us how's how is your first big time media day because this is you're in the big boy league now this is the start we're the start yeah this starts so i'll let you know in five minutes or so when we're done here okay yeah is it is it still like uh you know obviously not a i don't want to say whirlwind because this is something you've expected your whole life i would assume but you are now like you you've graduated to the to the top in terms of like the power five conference the big 10. has it kind of set in like hey stakes are different like this is this is big big shit yeah i think i respect the fact that the the margins are a lot thinner up here and that the competition and the coaches and the players and the you know stadiums will play and i recognize all those things are going to be different but at the same point i think when you're building a team there's those foundational elements that regardless of where you're playing have to be held true to right and they have to fit you they have to fit the players you got you know schematically culturally what environment am i in you know who are are the connections I got to make in a new area. Because for me, this is very different on the West Coast. there's a whole lot in there that, that you got to do, but you could pull on previous experience. And to me, my confidence doesn't just come from my previous experience, but it also comes from the fact that I'm willing to learn and grow as much as humanly possible on a day-to-day basis. Yeah. Are you ready for an entire off season of people anointing UCLA as the next Indiana? That's not me. That's for sure. That's not me, but I get the parallels and I guess what I get what they're saying. And that's just to me, a very easy little, you know, I don't want to say cheap, but easy, you know, connection to make, but realistically time will tell. Do you have a, do you have any relationship with coach Sig? A little bit, not, not much. So, uh, you know, a couple of our guys on staff were there when he was there and then getting a chance to see him at the Bear Bryant awards last year, I had a chance to hang out with him for three to four minutes. You're not going to get a whole lot much more than that. I don't think from him anyway, but I had a chance to hang out with him, you know, a little bit. You're a smart guy because I think along the way, uh, you've, you've kind of built up your career. You've had protection from the media to a certain extent. Because at Holy Cross, you've got Bill Simmons running interference for you at JMU. I'm going to go to bat for you. And now you finally upgrade to the final level. And now you've got Liam Blutman ready to die on his sword for you. Are you just looking at bloggers and you're like, yeah, I think I'll go to their school next. Yeah. And I'm following the hierarchy of them. And clearly I'm significantly higher than you at this top of the food. We got to figure out where the boys went. It seems like an awesome opportunity. And, uh, I'm curious, like you don't like be honest. At JMU, it was a great thing that you had going. Awesome season last year. Great second half against Oregon, by the way. Excellent last drive. Uh, was there any part of you that thought about not taking that next step and going back to Harrisonburg? I think that Harrisonburg is a tough place to leave. You know, as you know, like that's a, it's a pretty special place because you don't get drunk all the time and don't graduate in four years. That's why you're stuck there for seven years. But I think for me it was, you know, uh, just the right opportunity. And, and there's other opportunities, but I think when I look at this one, you know, it has everything, every positive from every job I've had or every place I've been a coach all exist in this one place at UCLA. It's, you know, to me the perfect match for, you know, what I was looking for. And then when you start talking about alignment, you start meeting the people and the search committee and the, the, just sort of the, you know, the, the leaders in the sports world that you can glean in, uh, you know, information from and be supportive of you is really special. Like, and that was the thing that I was looking for. And I think that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, I think for me that I just saw it as, you know, all of it combined into one from my previous past, along with the energy of the people, with the alignment from the top down that made it feel like this is the right fit. LA is great, but you're going to miss it when it's rainy outside in Harrisonburg and the whole town smells like dog food. Right. I will miss that. I went back recently and it was hot and humid. It smelled like dog food, which might take the rain. I think other, can we address a potential negative for UCLA? And I'll, I'll listen, I'll just, we'll do truth talk here. It's tough when you don't have a football stadium on campus and the Rose bowl. I love the Rose bowl. I think it's one of the best venues that we have as a country. Uh, but it is a challenge when you're playing against some of the other big 10 teams that have massive, massive on campus stadium. So what's the plan there? How are you going to, how are you going to change that culture? Yeah. So I think for me, as I look back through the history of it, when you're winning, they will come, you know, and I think that's just the truth of it. If you put competitive teams, you're going to win. And I think that's just the truth of it. On the field, people will support it. If you're involved in their lives, they'll support it. I probably, I would imagine more than any coach in the country spent more time, you know, with our alums, with different sports teams, you know, traveling around, doing whatever I can to make sure that they understand that I'm connected to them and that we need their help. As far as the Rose bowl is concerned, Bill, Bill Plaschke was just at our place the other day. And, and, you know, he's, uh, thinks, you know, and thinks extremely highly of it, that it is the Augusta of college football. It's beautiful. It's church. And it really is. And you go there and you feel it in a setting of it. All of it is perfect. You got to get there, right. And you got to get people there. And I think, you know, if, if without incentives, without a good football team on the field is probably challenging, but that's things we got to change. Cause it also doubles as, you know, all the other big 10 schools, a lot of, you know, Midwest footprint, you know, it gets, you know, cold in, in October, November, Hey, we want to go to the Rose bowl. Like that was, so it makes it a little daunting. Yeah. That is a battle just because of the fact, if you're looking at the schedule and you have a chance to go to the Rose bowl and play, you said you're probably going to go to the Rose bowl. And I think that's a little doing that. Right. So the, we got to shift those numbers and get them more in our favor, but you know, I understand the challenge. Okay. Maybe more like free hot dogs or t-shirt cannons. Yes. Like do something like that. Nice. Yeah. Or a flyover before every game. Yeah. Promise a flyover. I mean, we have shuttles, we have buses for everybody to be able to, you know, come over. We have every fraternity has their own setup over there. We have DJs, we have buses that take them to the game and back. So I think we're doing everything we can. We just got to make sure that we put a better t-shirt cannons yeah like a head coach doing a t-shirt cannon would be awesome oh myself doing it yes yeah in the middle yes after the first quarter i think it's like any commercial break any commercial don't go to the team yeah don't go to the team don't take it off yeah you have you wear the t-shirt can like like the backpack and then maybe yeah you shoot off a commercial i hit a timeout or say and then turn around just fire one you can keep talking to the team like you can be in the huddle just like have your you know just be firing away like hey guys we got to really focus on this third down yeah you know watch for the for you know the run pass i didn't think about that yeah i thought being like totally present any but you don't have to do that i'm just thinking let's bring up a good point also i love when they do the the little pair i know it's not in like a nba arena but the parachute so maybe we get like mini parachutes like when they drop like burritos and stuff oh the drones yeah drone drone strike people with burritos yeah that would be cool nice touch i think that'd be yeah you got the right people back here yeah they're taking notes and that's the poor thing we got more ideas uh you're known or at least last year was you were probably the best second half team in america certainly like defensively it was incredible what jamie was able to do in the second half i forget how many months you went without allowing a single point um at what point were you like i would like some of this second half magic to be there at the start of the game like at what point did that almost become frustrating yeah where you couldn't start out like every point i'll tell you what though when you start off a little slow you're going to be like oh my god i'm going to be like oh my god i'm going to start off a little slow i'm going to be like oh my god i'm going to be like oh my god i'm going to slow but you know you're getting to halftime and have some adjustments to make and and i i don't understand necessarily why that that worked we didn't change like a ton of things we you know we just had the opportunity to you know settle down and do what we needed to do um but yeah you you would like to start faster but when you at least know you got a good second half coming you could deal with the first half if you had a slow first half then a slow second half that's just tough living but i you know i thought our guys by the end of the season started to turn it up a little bit and we just started to exchange score for score both quarterbacks were playing elite and then we got to the second half and just held them to 10 yards of offense you know in the whole second half i thought that was a big deal yeah uh you went to a ucla basketball game this year and said you're going to win the big 10 yeah okay you said you're going to win the big 10 yeah was that this year well it's it's uh open-ended you know answer realistically at some point yeah it's a goal right it's a goal it should be our goal yeah we should not be sitting in a spot to me you know lowering expectations and hiding behind the idea that we're going to win the big 10 yeah we should not be that we're rebuilding and we're not we're building a program period and i think that's it to me is that that has to be the goal that has to be where we're setting our sights it has to be how we recruit it has to be how we develop it has to be you know how we play it has to be every little thing in it we have to understand what everybody else in this league is doing and find a way to close the gap it is kind of funny when you when you like answer that it is funny that whenever a head coach gets hired and they say something like that everyone's like oh look how cocky he is yeah whereas what would be the alternative if you got in front and said like hey guys we're gonna suck yeah like that would probably not go well either no that won't that won't no or let's get to 500 if we can like yeah here we go yeah let's try to let's try to go six and six did anyone talk you out of like saying the big 10 thing though or are you just like no i don't think anybody knew what i don't think i knew what i was gonna say honestly until i got up there okay that's just what came out of my mouth okay maybe say like we're gonna have the most fun in the big 10 and that's what's really important we're gonna we're gonna do the most t-shirt for seven years yeah exactly fun is at the top of the list it's about the journey not the destination that's right that's what i always say yeah so you so your coordinators that you bring with you yes um how have how have they adjusted to to the big 10 so far and like the different caliber of players that you're playing with uh specifically your quarterback who i actually have a lot of faith in this year um some people may have taken a future on him to win the heisman trophy in this room um but how they enjoyed the kind of the leveling up do you think that they're ready for and what have you seen from them yeah and i think for me the idea of always doing what we had to accomplish and now we have a chance to do more with more and i think in the transfer portal we ended up as the i think top 11 you know team in the in the portal rankings which was really strong given that school had started the day the portal opened and we had two weeks to do it probably did it in a week and a half and you know we're able to secure a pretty good class so i think that to me when i watch our our coaches and i see them and their excitement of the caliber of player that we're dealing with and not that it was bad anywhere else it's just different here right the stakes are raised a little bit and i think that's what i'm looking for and i think that's what i'm it just opens their eyes a little more into the possibilities of you know things you can do or can't do before it was more about what you couldn't do that you wanted to do on offense and i think it just opens up a little bit more possibilities yeah uh so in terms of your career as a coach because you you did it you know i would say probably the hard way where it's like you know you start small small schools and go you know a lot of guys they do it and they're starting at the big school as a ga and then maybe get a position coach and defense coordinator then but you did head coach small schools and you did head coach small schools and you did head coach small schools yeah was there ever a moment in that path where you're like i no one's giving me a look like i keep winning games yeah and i'm winning at a crazy clip, but I'm not getting the interviews and maybe this is just what I am now. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think every step of the way, you know, even at the D3 school, I was that nobody ever heard of in Newport, Rhode Island. You know, we became a top 20 team in the country and, you know, you were trying to take that next step. Right. All right. Now we need a new locker room. We need to do something about this field. We need to get admissions and, and eventually it just, they're not ready to climb that quickly with you. So that was really the, you know, the, the, the reason the move had to happen next, but there was an opportunity and now you're at a D2 world, right? And the D2 world now, first time dealing with scholarships. Then you go to the FCS world. First time you got to recruit nationally because of the academic rigor of that school. And you're dealing with no grad students and no walk on or no fifth years or no red shirts. So you got to really develop now. And then you got, cause you got to go stand toe to toe with South Dakota state and these types of teams that have sixth and seventh year guys, you know, grad school and JUCOs and transfers. You don't have that. And I thought we did a nice job of that. And then you get to JMU and you learn about the portal now, you know, and the portal pieces, holy, you know, we have very few guys left, 67 new guys come into the portal, win the first ever bowl game and then go to the playoffs. And then you get to UCLA and it's all of that then comes into, you know, in this one cauldron kind of, right. So I think every step of the way for me, I never felt like I was stuck anywhere. I felt like if this is where I end up, it's where I end up. Like I, my, my, I think it was my mother was like, just grow where you're planted and the rest of it, we'll figure it out. Cause as a younger coach, you're looking all the time. Right. And then as you become a head coach, you know, the, the ties are a lot deeper, right. To the players, to the community, to everything. You can't jump after a year somewhere. Right. And I think for me, those were the things that just changed a little bit for me, but every step of the way really helped prepare me for the next. Yeah. Did you ever think in that, in that process, like, why don't I, why don't I do the, maybe the shortcut? I, it's not a shortcut, but why don't I do the thing where I go be a defensive coordinator at a powerhouse? Yeah. Yeah. Power for school. Yeah, I did. And then, you know, honestly, for me, I visited a lot of them and I went around and saw a lot of them and I just felt like, oh man, I don't know if I want to work for that guy. It's ultimately where I was at. And it came down to the idea of, I know the environment that I create and I, as the head coach, and I know, you know, the, the culture that's there. And I know, you know, that we all enjoy going to work every day. We don't have to, we're not beating people down and forcing them into our way of thinking. This is a place where they, you know, get to go. And, and enjoy it and, and not have to do it, but get to do it on a day-to-day basis. And I think that's the difference. And I, everywhere I went, it didn't feel like that, you know? So as I thought about it, I'm like, all right, it'd be cool to work for that guy, but then go and visit that wouldn't be that cool in my mind, for me. And I think not fun, but quality of life, you know, comes into play a little bit. And when you're the head coach, you get to control that a little bit more than, you know, who's above you and, and, you know, how challenging is that relationship going to be? Because the energy you bring into that room, the positivity, changes the entire culture of the entire community realistically. Fuck, I think I'm buying stock in UCLA. Yeah, you should, you should. You're hired. I think, I think Sahir West is a name that people are going to start to figure out pretty quickly this year. Can you just talk about like what he is like as a player, the impact he makes on defense and like, obviously he was probably your number one guy that you wanted to bring with you to UCLA and how good you think he could be in this league? Yeah, well, Sahir West was coming with us to Holy Cross at the beginning. And then we ended up going to JMU. So he came with us to JMU. We redshirted him that first year, knowing full well how good he was going to be, but needed to redshirt him because he needed another year mentally. And then that second year, he just, the second half of the second year too, he just really came alive. And he is just a, he's a different kid as far as the work he puts in, as far, he's around the facility all the time, constantly there. You know, he's in the weight room all the time. He's out on the field working on his stuff all the time. He's just a guy that's fully committed, not only to this program, but he's a guy that's fully committed to this program, but also to his own personal development. Miles Garrett was there the other day and he was working out with Sahir and helping Sahir a little bit. And those were things to me that any opportunity he has to, you know, find a way to get better, he's going to do that. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's an awesome player. Violent, violent dude when he hits the quarterback. People at UCLA are going to love him. I don't know if you know the story, but at JMU, when he was redshirting, he, he didn't, obviously he didn't play us. I think we played him in a game or two maybe, but we were trying to save his redshirt. But before he ever played a game, I think it was a punter that ran, something happened on the sideline and a fight, like sort of a fight happened and everybody else was breaking up and see here, punches the kid in the face and takes a 15 yard penalty. And I remember being like, you don't even play. You're not even on this field and you're already collecting a 15 yard penalty, but that's the type of player he is. And I think for us to be able to rein him back in a little bit and use that violence and that, you know, aggressiveness for, for good. Learn when to unleash it. That's right. Exactly. Was it, was it weird at all coaching JMU last year, knowing that you were leaving after that happened? I know that there was like an agreement, like I'm going to do this. You were able to, and then Billy Napier, obviously kind of in the mix too. What's that like, like watching another man coach your team? Well, I, it wasn't that way. So Billy Napier was there and just there as an observer, all of his assistants stayed up in the press box and they were just kind of collecting numbers on, on what kids, what he and I spoke. We're very transparent about who I think would come with us, but I told him we don't, we're not having a single conversation right now with these guys about that. We are, and I refuse to let our coaches have that conversation. So we're going to play the season out when the season's over, then we'll have those conversations with them. But then it gets a little tricky because they're not in the portal yet. Right. But you're now coaching at a different place. So it's technically tampering. So we didn't talk to these guys until the portal opened. And when the portal opened, we called, they're like, guys, where were you? Everybody's been calling us. I'm like, well, we didn't want to get caught up in like this tampering thing, but I guess everybody else was except for us. But it ended up working out that 10 of them were able to come with us, but it wasn't weird. It was, something that I felt strongly about because I think when you have a new coach coming in to a program that's had success, that's a challenge in and of itself. I did it. You know, when I came for the bowl game, the issue was none of the staff was left, right? It was just, you know, a bunch of guys put together to finish that bowl game in that armed forces bowl or whatever it was. But if I had the ability to say, why are you winning? Let me watch how practice works. Let me watch a lift. Let me sit on a meeting. Let me be present. I'll be a fly on the field. I don't want to see what this culture is like. Cause I don't want to dissolve it all the minute that you walk out the door. And I, I really, you know, I think that's a brilliant move. And I was really proud of, you know, Billy for putting ego aside and saying, all right, let me learn how they do it. Cause there's a great culture here. How do I just keep this culture advancing it and accelerating as opposed to get these guys out of here and let me become the new head coach. Can I give you a tip? Yeah, please. Okay. So you're a good looking guy. I feel like I can say that guys can compliment guys. We should normalize that more. A good looking guy. UCLA, LA, big city. People have thoughts about California. The colors are cool. I think you got to do something to remind people that you're from a coal mining town in Pennsylvania. Do you know what I mean? Like, cause that is, that's where coaches come from. I don't know what it is. Maybe you can tell me, but like if you're, if you're from like Youngstown, Ohio or somewhere in Pennsylvania, West of Philadelphia, I'm like, that's a coach. Yeah. Well, I think it's, first of all, it's the entire community. You know, you go to a Friday game, there's not one restaurant open out one store. There's nothing the whole entire, that's the time to go rob any house you want to rob in those towns. Cause everybody's at the game. So it's one of those things to me that I think, first of all, that's it, right? The culture and the community is part of it. So it's not like you kind of like football. You're living football every single day. And so is your grandmother. And so is your grandfather. And so is your cousins. Everybody is living for this team. I think that's one. So the passion is different in those towns. The other thing I think is this is not an easy job regarding the work ethic. And in these blue collar, tough towns, like, everybody works. I mean, I picked up a shovel for my entire life. You know, even when I was still coaching in college for the first two years, I was going back and working job, like labor jobs. I started at 14 and was doing, it was just what people did. You didn't complain about it. So the hard work, the passion for the sport, right. And the toughness, I think all those three things, you know, come into play. And I think that has a lot to do with why you see guys from those types of areas, you know, succeed. Yeah. So you need to figure out, I don't know what it is. I like maybe a shovel in your office. I don't know. But I could see it going sideways on you because again, you're a good looking guy and like the, the, the light blue colors in LA. Yeah. I'm going to just remind people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, maybe you, let's think about that. You and Mick Cronin could like team up and beat up Ryan Gosling out there. Like just go get into a bar fight together. I feel like he's got the same thing where like, he's a hot guy. Yeah. And so he's got to like, he has to remind people like, Hey, super tan behind the, behind the pretty face and the nice tan. Like these knuckles still work. I'll talk to him about it. It is a good idea. It is a good idea. He is a blue guy. He actually has done a good job of like keeping that grit. He is still great in the UCLA basketball program. Um, and like everyone thought it was a weird fit him coming from the Midwest out there. And so he's, he's obviously a great coach. I would, I would love to see you two teaming up like the new bash brothers. You guys have good ideas. Yeah. This early in the morning. It's unbelievable. What's your, uh, do you have an acronym that you go to for your team? Like a saying? Okay. No, I mean, are you talking about like what our core value? Yeah. What are our values? So what we talk about is, and this doesn't have to do with football. I'm going to present it in football. We talk about attention to detail, positive attitude, urgency, and relentlessness. Right? So here's, here's my problem. That doesn't really work, but that's, that's the, that's the feeling for me. That's the feeling for me. It's like, when I think about everybody successful in my life, they all paid attention to all the little things, right? They stay positive once it gets tough. And at the same point in time, right, they attack it relentlessly and urgently over and over again. I think if you go through life, passive, negative, and don't pay attention to anything, you're destined for failure. And if you do these other things, these are not lessons for football. They're going to be presented that way, but ultimately it's anything in life that you want to be good at. You better pay attention to the thing about, I don't know, going skiing or something, right? You got to pay attention to little things. You got to stay positive when you fall down, you got to attack it. And then once you, that happens, you got to get up and do it again and again and again until you get it right. So I think those are the things for me that I want to make sure that our team understands is it's not just football lessons. They have to be life lessons. And I want to lead the nation in development on and off the field. Like that's important to me. Blutman, do you have a question? Yeah. Come on up. Come on up. This is the guy that's going to be holding your feet to the fire. Yup. And he will. He also used, he, I'm going to, I'm going to toot my guy's horn here for a second. He's got an eye for talent. So you should, you should maybe have someone talk to him when transfer pro comes around. Cause he has like receipts of guys that he's called out from lower level. Cause he watches basically every college football game, lower level guys that end up being like, studs. Done. Yeah. Direct line to our GM. I was watching Dobbs at Holy Cross. Yeah. Of course. That's why we took him. Okay. Question time. All right. Question time. Your dad, what a character he is involved in practice. No, not Kenny. Okay. His dad's incredible figure that shows up at practice, has a blast with the players and everything. How's he been doing? How's he enjoying LA? So as just so you know, my father is in Amarillo, Texas right now, driving across the country with, with my mother. Okay. Because. He learned that it was going to cost $3,000 to ship his car, but for, he could do it for 2,200. So he could save 800 bucks and, uh, drive across the country. So he's in the process of doing that right now. So he's moving out to LA. Yeah. For the season. That's awesome. Yep. Okay. Yep. I love that. How about Mikey V? Mikey V will be back as well for camp. Yeah. So those two are important. I'm not joking either. They're really, really important to me. Like they're, they're just guys. Who's Mikey V? You want to share some of those inside jokes you're doing in front of us? Mikey V, when we went the other month, Kadek and I are just watching practice and Mikey V goes up to us and he's like, all right, here's what's going to happen. They're going to do this, this, this. They did none of that. We end up learning Mikey V's not on staff. He's there. He thinks he's a coach. He's your friend? He is a coach. He thinks he's a coach and he owns a subway. How do you know him? So he was our football op. He was in charge of our football ops when I first got there. He coached our running backs into D2 world. Okay. Uh, but it's like, um, one of our players, there's a windstorm, a tree falls and, and on their porch. And hits that. So at 5.00 AM, he shows up, gets a call, shows up with a chainsaw, removes the tree, cuts it all up. So he's your big Dom. I mean, he has anything. He takes care of everything. Whatever you could think of. Mikey V. He takes care of it. What's his name? The golf carts. Volcano. Oh yeah. He's in Paisan. I love that. Okay. His name is Mike Volcano? Yes. All right. We're Mikey V guys. Oh, you're huge Mikey V guys. And you put senior and Mikey V in the same room. Forget about it. Yeah. That's awesome. He's still got the subway. Yes. All right. I like this subway. Is it in Walmart? It's in a Walmart. Okay. Yeah. I like everything. All right. Well, then your, your question came around. Cause for a minute there, you were just literally having a private conversation. We're talking in code. That's my bad. Final question from me. You've been on the job for a few months now. What do you hate about USC? What have you learned to hate about you? I don't worry. I honestly, I, to me, we have enough things we got to work on, you know, in that game. So later in the, so much later in the season that, you know, the, who knows where we're at, both at, when we get to that point in time. So for me, it's not about that. It's about how do we handle this on a day-to-day basis? And I understand, and I respect the rivalry and, and the, the bad blood between them both. And that's great for the town. It's great for the community. We just got to do a better job of holding up our end of the bargain in that game. And that's what, you know, we're focused on. We had coach Riley on the show. Uh, and I'll tell you right now, stinking Riley does bother him. So just hold that in your back pocket. Yeah. We brought it up and it was, you know, you could see he was a little like, ah, fuck the guys brought up stinking thing. Yeah. The, uh, that's actually a great way to answer that question. It's like, I don't really think about them. Yeah. They, they hate that. They hate the fact that you didn't come in here. Like, I can't wait to get there. I think we have enough stuff of our own to keep. You already promised a big 10 champion. That's right. I got to work on that. Yeah. Um, are you intimidated? There's a lot of great coaches in the big day. Um, are you intimidated by Ryan day's nipple ring? I didn't know he had a nipple ring. Well, he could have one. It might be a Photoshop. I don't think it is. I got it. I got his back on this. I'm pretty sure it's just a Photoshop. Well, what if he's, what if he wanted one, then you have to have his back on, on people living their truth, right? Yeah, I guess so. Okay. All right. Would you get one if you won a national championship? A nipple ring? Yeah. No, I would not. Okay. Would Mikey V? Maybe. Yeah. No, I think you've got to say it right now. Mikey V's getting a nipple ring if you win a title. Put that out there. I like it. All right. Uh, we got one last question. Zach, come on up. Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com. Promo code take. All right, Zach. Great job, Zach. Good hustle. Good hustle. Sir, how are you doing? How are you doing today, sir? I did have a quick question for you. Sure. What do you say to the haters that say there's no grit in Los Angeles? I say that, uh, I first, I don't, I did not hear that myself. I think when I look at our team, when I look at our team, I see a lot of guys full of grit at this moment. And I think that's what we have to just continue to develop. I think, you know, Liam could talk about it. Katie could talk a little bit about it, but the competition and the way that we go about it on a day-to-day basis, there's nothing that's easy about it. It's tough. It's physical. It is demanding and it's competitive as hell. And that's what they have to be thrown into that furnace every single day. That's just to play football. I don't care where you're at. If you're in Harrisonburg, Virginia, you're in the coal mines of Pennsylvania. It doesn't matter. The game gets played a certain way, period. And I think that's important for me to make sure that our guys understand that and make sure that they don't understand it, but they also live it every single day. And they've done a great job accepting that challenge up to this point. Good job, Zach. Do you Well, Coach, thank you so much. I'm a believer, especially this Mikey V thing. That was like late-breaking news. I'll bring him back. Listen, that was late-breaking news. That's the type of guy we like. We're going to have to meet Mikey V. Super Bowl week, we're going to have to come and meet Mikey V. We'll be out in L.A. Oh, easy. Okay. He might have to drive us around. He will. He actually will. He actually will. That would be. Oh, it's a subway in Walmart. I like this guy. Oh, he's a coach. He is a coach. He's one of our better coaches. All right. Well, thank you so much, Coach. Best of luck this year. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Coach Chessing was brought to you by our great friends over at Twisted Tea. Twisted Tea. Hit the river. Hit the beach this summer. Grab an ice-cold Twisted Tea. Bring it out on the course with you. Summer is here. It's the perfect drink. And now we've got the Twisted Tea Summer Party Pack. That's where you got the brand-new Twisted Lemonade. 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This is the time of year I'm like jonesing to get back out there. And it should be a great year. I keep saying this. I feel like I'm the guy that's like, hey, everyone talks about the problems in college football. College football is amazing right now. The product has never been better. Interest has never been higher. And we got a lot of great players that could go win a national championship. Yeah. Which I love. Yeah. The parody. Maybe not Wisconsin. Sorry. Listen, we're still trying to build something back. I like it. I like it. You're right. Like, I think that we do way too much of focusing on the negative where like two years ago, the playoff wasn't very competitive. Right. And everyone talked about how it was broke. Why don't we talk about the fact that last year's playoff was awesome. It Miami team that came out of not nowhere, but like no one thought they'd be to the national championship. It's an unbelievable story. College football is awesome. No doubt. And I think that there's a giant myth and it gets perpetuated by other other platforms that like Indiana bought a championship that that was not an expensive roster, all things considered. And Miami was actually older than they were. You know, this idea that they were all 24 and 25 like that team. I don't know if there's ever been a better story in college football to be the losingest program in the history of the sport. And to get all these guys from JMU and this cast off from Cal and you go win a national championship in this this era and this day and age. I thought it was remarkable. And it really, to me, signifies what this era can be about. Yeah. Which which is development. Like there are. So I think that the most experience, the most important factor in now the sport is experience. Yeah. Yeah. And if you're not experienced, I don't think you can win. So last year, the speculation was that that Mark Cuban, the boys didn't spend that much money on the roster that they spent a little bit. But but what have you heard? Like because I feel like Cuban after seeing what happened last year, now the checkbook might really be opened up for him. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's nearly what like an LSU is spending or what a Miami is spending. But it's it's absolutely on par with some of the other teams that can go and win a national championship. I don't think Indiana is spending the most money in the Big Ten. And I don't know these numbers to be actually, you know, like I don't have access to the actual numbers, and candidly, I don't really want them. I don't want to have that type of on my shoulders but yeah i mean they're they're spending i don't think that you can realistically compete for a national championship unless you're spending at a minimum 28 million dollars yeah it's kind of the nature of the beast now i want to push back on one thing though you said experience is is like the biggest factor i actually disagree i think the number one factor is scheduling because with all these super conferences now and i know you've broken it down there are years where teams will just have an easier schedule yeah it's like a lottery yeah you win the lottery in your conference right you have a gauntlet year then you have a year where it's like hey we don't play any of the other big dogs we can have our team healthy we can be at the finish line because that was part of it i mean indiana 100 deserved a national title the way they did it but they also you know had a few nice things happen in their schedule where they were able to be healthy at the end is there one team that you've looked at maybe even you can go like conference by conference big 10 sec 12 yeah where it's like hey this team has a spot where it's like this is their season this is their chance to make some noise because of the schedule i think it's a combination though you're not wrong you're not wrong at all i think that the combination is you have to have the right roster with the right experience and and maybe hit that lottery that you're talking about in particular i think what you're referencing more is the in in conference schedule lottery with the big conferences two that jump out to me wildly is georgia and penn state out of the sec and the big 10 i think georgia got a really preferable schedule i think they're all hard in the sec i think they're all hard in the big 10 but when you're avoiding like two or three of the other real playoff contenders that's like okay this is this is very favorable i think georgia has that out of the sec and then penn state schedule guys if you look at it that's a 10 win schedule um easy and and maybe more you know so even though i don't know if they're the best team in the big 10 i i think that they're going to have a real chance to compete for a spot in that big 10 championship game yeah yeah it's it's it's weird it's not like it's it's not that you have an easy schedule it's just if you happen or even if it's like the home games or you know it lines up that you play ohio state at home that's right like georgia plays i don't know does georgia play alabama this year uh they do okay and i believe it's in tuscaloosa but that's that's really their their hardest you're never going to avoid right you're going to have one maybe two really tough games and then you're going to have a really tough let me give you a great example so penn state um they've got to go to michigan that's a that's a tough game and and they have to have usc come to them well i think usc is going to be really good like really good this is going to be lincoln's best team i think but it just so happens that usc you know they've got to face oregon they've got to face indiana and ohio state and go to penn state right you know like that's a really difficult schedule for a usc team whereas penn state doesn't have to deal with that they don't play oregon they don't play indiana that's right if we if we went gun to your head would you say big 10 another championship or the field uh i would take the big 10 over the field right now i think that the field so let's break it down like how many teams right now do i think have like legitimate before seeing them because i think lsu could jump into this but i think there's seven teams that i'm like yeah they could absolutely win the national championship so you've got um and maybe not in order i'm going to in a little bit um but not in order you've got georgia texas you've got indiana oregon ohio state you've got notre dame you've got miami i think those are the seven again no particular order those are the seven that i'm like okay those those teams can absolutely win a national championship um it's weird you have notre dame ranked sixth i don't no particular order no particular order um i would take the big 10 only and let me i'm tipping myself a little bit here oregon's the only team with no questions number one yeah well you know like when the big one that's the okay there you go question it's it's it's not a roster question right right where everybody else like if you go down those the rest of those seven teams notre dame how are you replacing the running backs and the running game now maybe it's cj car in the passing game with jayden greathouse and yeah that that can be good ohio state how you're replacing the defense who's catching the ball at georgia can you run the football texas and protect uh protect arch how you're placing the line of scrimmage at miami who do you you know is hoover as good as mendoza can you replace the running game you're having to replace d'angelo pons at indiana then you look at oregon and you're like oh football-wise on the field there's no questions they're going to have maybe the best defensive line in all of college football they've got a heisman trophy candidate at quarterback they've got backs they've got receivers they've got an excellent defense so i would take the big 10 over the field and it might be the fourth different big 10 team to win it yeah and and no lsu you want to see lsu they're one of those they're that team that like shows up to the party and the party's already going and they're kind of at the door and they're like this looks awesome yeah you know like i think it's going to be really good um they i think that we might turn on the tv when they're playing clemson and we're going to be like oh this is legit i think their roster could be that good now here's one thing and i'm gonna i always get labeled as like an sec hater i'm really not no that's fine no you said before we started taping it's like really glad this isn't sec media yeah yeah i think you're you're like yeah tee me up so i can just bash you that's it dude so yeah that's great lsu no why do you hate the south yeah that's right well let's let's get into this philosophically hold on there's been forever it's been there's people who have carried water for the sec we it's fine that it's nice that we're fighting back you know guys like us being like the sec well even even when but when they were the best i called them the best yeah you know and they they were the best there's no doubt it's not the case anymore no matter what anybody says and no matter what his credentials are it's not the best conference down there right now yeah it's just not you can it's and by the way it's not just that the big ten's winning national championships you can go down the metrics okay college football playoff record big ten owns them in the last three years uh first round draft picks last year big ten most first round draft picks overall uh bull record big ten over the s like you can go down the list over and over again and right now the best conference is the big ten lsu they're expecting lane to do something he's never done lsu they're expecting lane to do something he's never done lane to do something he's never done so like think about stick around for so like think about stick around for so like think about stick around for five years five years five years stick around and he's never won a power stick around and he's never won a power stick around and he's never won a power four conference yeah four conference yeah four conference yeah you know do you want to like that's the you know do you want to like that's the you know do you want to like that's the thing too with the new setup like is thing too with the new setup like is thing too with the new setup like is winning the conference even winning the conference even winning the conference even like you and like going to the like you and like going to the like you and like going to the conference yeah the championship game is conference yeah the championship game is The SEC championship game, which is a bummer, talking about the landscape of college football, that it doesn't feel like it means as much, but it might be an advantage not to play in that game. Possibly, and that's why most coaches will tell you they want to get rid of the championship games and that they want to expand the playoff and have those games played at home on campus. But they're also asking Lane to, you know, he was a 10-win guy at Ole Miss and built something really special. There's no doubt. This is a program that in the playoff era since 2014 has been to the college football playoff one time. Yeah, it's crazy. Now, it was a great run, but they had a historically great offense, historically great, with Burrow winning the Heisman and Chase and Jefferson on the outside. That was an incredible – well, think about that offense was wild. And now Lane comes in and they should be really good. Well, they also had the number one transfer class last year. How'd that work? Yeah. So, I'm not throwing shade at LSU. I think LSU could be really good, and they would be that eighth team for me that has the chance to jump in that category of potentially winning the championship. You mentioned week one and LSU playing Clemson. Is Dabo on the hot seat? Like, what's going on here? If Clemson and the ACC is not – the SEC and the Big Ten have separated themselves from the ACC and the Big 12 a little bit. And if he can't win the ACC or at least get to the ACC championship game, like, what's happening with Clemson in the future? I hesitate so much to even talk about Clemson. I had them winning it all last year. Yeah, a lot of people did. I did like a preseason – Brandon Walker did, yeah. Yeah, and what am I – and they just totally flopped. I have no idea what to think about Clemson. None whatsoever. It wouldn't surprise me if they won the ACC, and it wouldn't surprise me if they won seven games. And is he on the hot seat? Probably not. Like, a guy like that is not on the hot seat. He won two national championships. You know, I just don't see them walking in and being like, hey, man, like, thanks, you know, we're going to go in a different direction. But you never know. This is a crazy era in college football. I think it's more likely that Clemson is on the hot seat from Dabo. He puts them on the hot seat. You don't put me on the hot seat. How does he do that? At the end of the year, it feels like it might not be a great fit anymore. I mean, if we're being honest, Dabo's probably not happy, right? He hasn't been happy the way things have gone the last few years. I don't think he's happy with the structure of college football. Overall, with the sport, yeah. I would say that's very fair to say. I would – There's a better chance of Dabo saying, you know what, like, I'm good, and retiring early like a Bob Stoops or even Urban stepped away at a fairly young age. You know, all things considered, Nick kind of stepped away suddenly. There's a better chance that Dabo steps away than Clemson fires him. Yeah. The whole sport's on the hot seat. He might leave. Yeah, that's right. He's putting the whole sport. He's like, guys. But that's, I mean, it is like he, it's not a shot at him. It's the facts. Like, he hasn't adapted as well as some of the other coaches in this era. Nor has he wanted to. He's fought it. He's actively fought against it. Right. Which is always like, it's so weird to me because, you know, like, the one thing about Saban, and you could say anything because he's the best college football coach of all time, but I don't think people ever give him enough credit for the way he adapted to everything. Oh, this is such a good take. It's like the way he won with defense and pounding the rock. Then he went spread. And, like, he was able to win in so many different ways in different schools. and you think of a guy like that it's like oh he's got one way it's Saban it's his old school way it's like no he adapted he he was brilliant at adapting as soon as he saw you know he got into games when they're winning with defense right like they're they're just grinding people out in the early 2010s remember that Notre Dame national championship wasn't even a contest it's just like we're tougher than you we win it at the line of scrimmage it's the Mark Ingram years it's beating the Texas team in the Rose Bowl for a national championship and then he started seeing in like Johnny Manziel and he's like oh how like what what am I supposed to do with that I can't hold that guy to three right I can't hold that guy to to nine in in a game then he sees Deshaun and he's getting in these games with offenses that are not built to go go score 35 and he has to go score 35 in order to win and he changed. And he brought in Lane Kiffin remember who was like a pariah at the time brought in Lane Kiffin didn't emphasize defense quite as much although they still played quality defense he just did in a different hybrid type of way more modern way so you're exactly right he he's done and he's also I've gone back and I can't like I cannot think of another head coach who has won national if you look back through the history of college football normally what you see is what Dabo was able to do or what Kirby was able to do and I know they're still trying to to go on and win what Urban did at two different schools you know all these they build up their program they have this window it's open they win multiple championships with a with a very similar recruiting cycle even Tom Osborne in the 90s and then then it goes away and they can never replace it he won a championship with every cycle of recruit if you committed to Nick Saban you won a national championship which is bonkers yeah so like my my praise and admiration for what he was able to do he's the best he's the greatest of all time yeah yeah what about the uh what about the 40 acres University of Texas I feel like um going into last season the expectations were were pretty high yeah this season I mean sky high they're they're higher had to win the Heisman they had to go undefeated and win the national championship right that was it right and Arch you know he struggled a little at times last year early but he looked good he ended up looking good um this year do you think that the expectations should be higher on Texas yes and then the excitement level I feel like I I if I put myself in the shoes of a Texas fan I'm thinking about Arch coming in this year with a little bit more my expectations are more in reality than they were last year because I think most fans saw him stepping in and thinking like what if he just dominates the entire sport yeah and now it's like we what if he's just really good I think that they were unrealistic last year and I think that they are um I think they're unrealistic this year on the opposite side I don't think people realize how well he played late in the season um everyone just blankets Arch struggled last year not in the second half of the year he was one of the three best quarterbacks in the country with an offensive line that was not very effective no running game whatsoever and a stable of receivers that was subpar for Texas standards and he still was outstanding late in the year in fact his last three games he averaged I think 350 yards close to that I don't quote me on the exact number but right around there like 12 touchdowns no interceptions he didn't turn the ball over the last half of the year he had like 20 total touchdowns only two turnovers he was fantastic without a great I would say cast around him and now they've they've fixed that they've brought in some transfers they've fixed their offensive line should be better they have to run the football uh more efficiently and they should be better on the outside with a guy that I think could just take this sport by storm this year Cam Coleman so my expectations for Arch elevated from a year ago my expectations from tech for Texas elevated from a year ago if they're not better something went horribly wrong yeah like the one that Ohio State came early it feels like that will be the hey we're measuring stick are you from last year where that couldn't have gone worse for them I know it was a close game in the you know yeah the final but we all watched it they didn't yeah it wasn't that close right and and it didn't force Ohio State didn't have to do anything right with Julian Zane um and admittedly so talking with with Ryan after the game uh that's a monster game both of those teams because they each um they each have tough conference schedules after that and so a loss in that game puts you really behind the game yeah I think that's a good point I think that's a good point in terms of like are you going to make a playoff run or not you know that game at home if Ohio State I just keep saying thinking to myself if Ohio State were to go down there and lose what's the impact on Ohio State right I don't know probably not much they'll go on and you know again tough schedule we'll see right I know that's a very passionate fan base but it but it ain't like losing to Michigan right right if Ohio State goes down there and beats Texas what's the impact of that result and I think that's a much more dramatic result and impact on that program meaning Texas if that result were to happen with this team with the money that they've spent with what's happened over the last couple of years the the beginning of last season I think people would be really frustrated down in Texas if Ohio State were to go down there I would agree with that and and with um with Notre Dame this year if the over under over under uh what is it eleven and a half yeah well over under half a loss for Notre Dame before we get to the playoffs talk about the schedule lottery yeah I mean they make it make your own schedule they make the lottery and then win it that is which is nice yeah um that's a good team guys no it's really good team but it's the same thing as last year where it's like easy schedule great but when you're an independent like Notre Dame if you lose two games now they won't go at 10 and 2 you don't get the the makeup games later in the season yeah I mean I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know this year in order to go because the schedule just won't allow it there's too many again like a nine and three Ohio State or a nine and three Texas is much better than a 10 and two Notre Dame this year no question you go look at the schedules and the games that they would have had to win to be nine and three um much less 10 and two or so on so I do think that it puts some pressure on them to win those games but the Miami game is really but they only have really two games that they could potentially lose all due respect you're not counting the Badgers I'm sorry I'm sorry listen you know everyone's gonna sleep on us and we'll probably go seven and five so you're saying Miami and then he says it no so nonchalantly seven and five would be incredible yeah it'd be great we we got the schedule lottery this year that's true last year last year was terrible it was the worst schedule in the league terrible so yeah Miami maybe BYU BYU in ProVote that's a sneaky really tough place to play yeah and then Miami what about what about UNC things seem to be in the right direction down there they do yeah okay we I mean we just spent some time there a couple months ago unless something's changed in the last couple months I'm I'm buying all the stock in you has are you yeah okay well we'll see what their internal uh you know I don't know I'll I'll decline to comment until after whatever seems messy it seems very messy no I don't I don't think us UNC is um I don't think that's gonna work yeah yeah what uh are you buying Bryce Underwood's stock I can't figure it out because last year there were flashes but then there were games where it's like what's going on and I don't know if that's coaching where it felt like they were holding him back a little bit or if it's hey they were holding him back for a reason he wasn't able to do the things that you want to be able to do I think that there was elements of both I think he um needs to develop um true quarterback uh skills and I also think that they were trying to be patient calm whatever you want to say uh hold him back a little bit now this match I think fits him perfectly with Jason Beck um if you look at what Beck did with Devin Dampier over the last couple of years it was dynamic dynamic Dampier led all of FBS quarterbacks two years ago in Mexico um in terms of running the football and his production as a rusher then he came to Utah between him and Devin Dampier and he was a really good player and he was a really good player and him and Bird Ficklin who came in at times when Dampier was uh injured they led all of college football in terms of quarterback production on the ground now I'm not saying Bryce Underwood's going to lead the nation in quarterback production, but if it just increases, right, then, then Michigan has something. And there is going to be a sweet spot. If Bryce Underwood can run for between 500 and 800 yards this year and what that would mean to their run game with Jordan Marshall and Savion Heider, who's apparently like incredible. And I can't wait to watch him play. Um, they've got really good players on the outside. And I think defensively, they're going to be sneaky. Very, very good. Um, John Henry Daly, this transfer from Utah. See, you were out there in Utah. I remember like, it's an incredible place and their players always get slept on. Yeah. A couple of them drafted in the first round last year. I think Michigan has a sneaky chance to be, be pretty good. Their schedule is horrendous. Um, and very, very difficult. No, I think Kyle Whittingham is like, he was been probably the most underrated head coach for a decade now. It's like he, you know, every single year and then it faded a little, towards the end here, but it was always so consistent, right? Okay. Maybe he didn't win a championship or a national championship, but so consistent. I used to say all the time on my show, it's like death taxes in Utah football. Yeah. Utah at night, especially. Yeah. Yeah. And, and if he can bring that level of toughness and line of scrimmage play to Michigan, I think that they have a chance to be pretty good. Yeah. Can you give us your, your preseason top five quarterbacks? Yes. Um, do you want them in order? Yes. No, actually no. I, I want, but big cat doesn't give us jumbled and then we'll guess the order. Okay, great. Okay. Uh, jumbled, uh, CJ car one, Julian saying, uh, Dante Moore. No, he's one because you had Oregon wrecked one. Okay. Um, Dante Moore. Um, uh, I'm forgetting one Trinidad Chambliss. Okay. And I'm, I'm blanking on one. So this is definitely not high. All right. So he's five. All right. So Jaden's five. I think it's, I think. CJ cars and arch. I need to put arch on that. Sorry. All right. You really are. So arch is not top five. All right. I think it's, I think it's gotta be more because he had Oregon ranked number one car to say in three, my, I have a five and then who is four Trinidad Trinidad. All right. Now tell us your top five. That was, that was, that was very good. Okay. I'm still debating right now between car and arch one. You don't even know your own top five. Huh? You don't know your top five. I haven't done it yet. Oh my God. I'm recording. You set us up for failure for this exercise that we created 10 seconds ago. We could have guessed anything and you could have just switched your pick in your head. That's right. That's right. That's right. Like, like true digital media guys. You know what I mean? Like what are we talking about? This is a real who's on first segment. Okay. So, so arch tied with who? Car. Car number one. Okay. I think car could be outstanding. I do too. Dante Moore three, Julian saying four and Trinidad Chambliss at five. Okay. And which one of those guys would be the best NFL quarterback? Oh, that's a, that's a great one. CJ car. Yeah. Okay. All right. Is he too jacked? He looks real now. Is there too much muscle you can put on as a quarterback? We'll have to ask Brady Quinn. Yeah. Those EA sports or the EA drinks. Yeah. Like now I'm done. Yeah. Maybe he was to work out. Yeah. Hey, do you get, do you get to watch the NFL a little bit? I watch as a fan. What is, what is a little bit like, what are we talking? Well, we, so I get home Saturday night usually. And then, wake up, we always go to church as a family and then we come home and like football is on, but unless it's the Broncos, it's just kind of like on as we're hanging out. Okay. Um, but if it's the Broncos and you're watching all the way, okay. Would you think about Sean Payton saying that he was going to hire Bill Belichick to come in, break the record and then afterwards Belichick could leave and Sean would resume coaching the team. That sounds like Sean. It does. I actually, I actually played for Sean in new Orleans for like a couple of years. I played for Sean in New Orleans for like a couple of years. I played for Sean in New Orleans for a couple of months. It's not, it's, but in OTAs, he gave me a contract as an undrafted free agent, his first year before they had coached, he had coached a game. Quick story. That's the Reggie Bush draft and a Marcus Colston draft. And so I go down, I'm on the flight to go to rookie mini camp. Don't have a contract, undrafted, unsigned. And I go down and I'm in like 35 E in the plane, you know, and I walked past and it's a flight from Denver and they had, they had flown Reggie commercial and he connected in Denver. And Reggie was up in first class. And I was like, remember in 2006, I was like, that's Reggie Bush. Right. And even I was super impressed. We get down to the baggage claim and I just kind of had like a regular, like, you know, sweats on or whatever, getting ready to go to camp. And Reggie thought that I was one of the GAs or like the quality control coaches from the saints. So he rolls me his bag off of the carousel. And I was like, do I tell him right now? Or do I? Just take the bag. And I was like, definitely just taking the bag. So I just carried his bag to the, to the bus. I get on the bus and I'm sitting behind him and he was kind of like, Oh, Hey man, I'm sorry. And I'm like, no worries. And then I was handing him the football off. He's like, first carries the NFL. I'm the one handed him off. Oh gosh. I guess Colorado was in the big 12 then, right? Yeah. Yeah. So he wouldn't, that would have been, that would have been really tough if it was Colorado was in the pack 12. Oh yeah. Yeah. Ultimate disrespect. It wasn't happening. Oh my gosh. Did he just give you a tip? Did he hand you a little folded up 20? Like, thank you. No, he didn't. That's a, he hadn't had his bonus yet, I guess. Signing bonus. Oh my gosh. Another real quick story. I know you guys, I mean, you can cut it out, but we were, we were throwing one-on-ones and, and I thought Sean was really impressed with me because he came over and he kept being like, all right, Hey, throw him on the back shoulder here. Okay. Now that guy over there, lead him down the, down the field. Okay. Make him jump. And I'm like, Oh my gosh. I'm like, Oh, this guy thinks I'm so good. I can just put it all over the place. He was so impressed with Marcus Colston out on the outside. So he was having me throw him footballs like in different spots. Marcus Colston was a beast. He was so good. So he was, yeah. Yeah. And he was like a seventh round pick. Yeah. Right. Right. Probably like Joel's going to throw a slightly inaccurate ball. So yeah. He's like, this guy looks like he's throwing absolute ducks. Yeah. We'll cut this. We'll cut that story. Terrible story. It's funny. I mean, the fact that Reggie was like, Hey, can you grab this bag for me? He didn't even ask. He just rolled it to me. Oh, just silently. Yeah. Just like, you know, and I was just like, yeah, but now you have an, now you have an answer. If anyone ever asked, what was your welcome to the NFL moment? There you go. Yeah. Well, it didn't happen on the field, but I'll pay you a compliment. Like I do feel like listening to you, whether you're, you're commentating on a game or listen to the podcast, I do feel smarter about the game, but I do feel like listening to you, whether you're commentating on a game or listen to the podcast, I do feel smarter about the game, but I do feel smarter about the game, that I think is pretty valuable for a lot of people out there. Do sometimes when you're, when you're thinking of, cause you put a lot of thoughts into your take, I can tell. Um, do you think like this? No, this takes too dumb. Yeah. And then you have to go back and reword. Cause we think that all the time and we just go with, we just go with it. I mean, yeah. As you guys know, like if you talk enough, you're going to say something and you're like, nah, you hate March madness. Oh yeah. That's right. Remember that was a bad, that was a really bad one. Um, and what I get frustrated more, I'm too, listen, I'm too proud to actually have the take be wrong as much as I'm like, I didn't say it right. You know, yeah. You gotta just be like, hand up. I'm an idiot. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's what we do. Yeah. Yeah. So we're always wrong. But then in the, in the game, my, the thing I love more than anything is if I can unlock the game, like a Rubik's cube and like bring the viewers into the game, but what's happening, what's going on, what are the coordinators thinking about right now? And so I always just think about, don't, don't commentate the game through the rear view mirror. Like everybody knows what just happened. You know, stop talking about the replay, look through the windshield, you know, try to take the viewer forward, push forward and explain why, why is this going on? Why is this coach thinking this? Why is this quarterback being successful? Why is the defense being successful? So that's, that's what I'm constantly in my head. You've also reached, I think I've given you this compliment, but I'll do it again because you've reached the big game voice status too. It's like, it's a, it's an innate feeling of you turn on the TV and you hear certain guys, you're like big game. I love it. So you've gotten there. I'll take it. Yeah. I'll take it. You can feel it. Um, especially like the Northwestern Oregon game that, yeah, that was big game on the, on the, the lacrosse field place to play. I said it the whole pregame. We did big noon. I was like this T like you played Northwestern 11 AM and Evan's that's a sleepy spot. What are you going to do? I don't think they did. Yeah. They won easily. I remember Dan was all pissed after the game. We didn't stop the run. It's like, Oh, you didn't stop it against Indiana either. So, you know, tough place to play. I've got a really dumb question for you. And you're, you're probably going to be asked this a few times. I feel like it's going to be a popular topic over the next month or so. Who is this year's Indiana? Yeah. Which is such a stupid question. Yeah, it is. Uh, but that's okay. A team that we don't think of as anything right now that could, are you saying Indiana to win a national championship or Indiana to just do what they did in the, in six first year? I think those are two different things. I think, I think the question when it's typically asked will not get any clearer than that. But I think what I'm really asking is what's a, what's a major, like a major conference team that might look to make some noise, be included in some of the projections for the playoffs, maybe even sneak into the playoff, uh, at the end of the season that you don't think about. Okay. Turn it around pretty quick? - Yep. I mean, it's the exact same blueprint. You get a guy he brings everybody with him including players um you know i think that's that's a really fascinating one for me especially in that conference because they're all so they're all so similar there's no one that's running out out away from them maybe texas tech is i don't want to take anything away from texas tech um and then the other one this might not be a playoff team but like sneaky ucla yeah well that's the right answer yeah sneaky ucla yeah okay that's the right answer for the for the indianic question because it's it's chesney and he brought the whole harrisonburg west with him yeah and they also have a great quarterback yeah i agree with not a bad rap with everything that went down with tennessee but nico amaliava is a really good player i took you're really good at saying his name oh thank you yeah yeah i had to practice i got it i got a little long shot on him to win the heisman oh very long shot i love that probably won't happen but he still has that skill set he could be good and and he he did take major steps forward last year yeah and so he looked like you saw flashes where it's like i get it i understand why maybe there was a lot of hype around this guy even if he hasn't like fulfilled that yet but i do think that they could i think the win total might be five and a half this year and i'm over on that one i would take the over on it yeah yes for sure who's this year's penn state lose a close game then everything falls apart people get fired everyone freaks out mass hysteria buildings on oh fuck that's a that's a great one that's a great one um you have to you guys will i think you'll appreciate this i really hesitate to to answer that question right because you don't want to put that out into the atmosphere but alabama is the one yeah i mean you have to say it feels like this is the year like if if if things go sideways you go really sideways yeah that's right and um i don't see that happening in the future i don't see that happening in the future i don't see that happening the the other one is texas yeah like if if you all of a sudden lose ohio state you lose at tennessee and you lose red river and you've got three losses at texas by the time we're in the middle of october then that's you know that's panic building on fire but then the alabama thing man is i think calen is an excellent coach but he doesn't run the football well enough there are times and you know this better than anybody at wisconsin there are times when a fan base expects a certain brand of football and if you're not giving them that brand whether it could be successful or not they don't like it yep it's just like it's like a it's like a taste at a restaurant could be a really good restaurant but you don't like it yeah and i think that that fan base and calen like it could be headed towards that type of deal i told fickle this i was like listen we there's games that i'm okay with losing but if you lose when you try to run the ball on fourth and one on a shotgun against usc it's gonna kill me like you know that's that's gonna drive me insane and i won't be able to handle it when you when you hire a guy to go air raid offense right you know and and change the defensive structure that we ran for years right and it's like everything i've known about football wisconsin should be able to get one single yard against usc of course they should they maybe can't get 10 yards maybe they can get one that's right hey third and eight maybe we're in a sticky spot here but i can get one this is yeah um zach oh go ahead yeah who's this year's michigan and you can take that whatever way you want so and like a scandal i just want to put you on the spot yeah i want to think of the worst possible school to ask you that question for i think it's probably michigan or we could just do like um who's who's this year's uh let's see who's this year's i'm trying to think of the team georgia they did okay which team do you think will rack up the most speeding arrests yeah they did okay they had a pretty good year they didn't really do that great but they went is it fair to say like it might be an indictment on kirby smart as a head coach that he hasn't embedded himself and made enough friends in the athens police department i feel like back in the day like this doesn't get yeah we don't hear about this yeah you know cell phones are a hell of a thing yeah in the day when no one had cell phones uh i don't i don't know what's you don't have to answer any no you don't have to answer any of these yeah this is the portion where we just try to make you uncomfortable uh achieved rowback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts or rowback.com promo code take joel has been awesome we love having you i love being on i appreciate we got to play we had a golf video planned it was a bummer we're gonna do it we're gonna do it yeah zach finishes off i do need sir i did have a quick question uh could you give us joel clout's official heisman trophy winner for the season oh the official yeah sir and it better be right it has to be has to be right my only claim to fame is that i called um uh the florida state uh quarterback now i'm blanking this james james i called james that year forget james i know right that's crazy the crab legs and everything how did i forget james if i have to be right have to be right sir i've got to take jeremiah smith oh you don't think there's gonna be a split vote situation yeah certainly that's gonna be a part of it and julian went last year but this could be a year where a player's body of work is is respected enough where they're like no he's been should be he should be he should be you know up there now does that always happen no uh i think peyton would have gotten a body of work um andrew luck would have gotten a body of work heisman but if i if you said you have to be right you have to bet your own money i have to take jeremiah smith he's he's the best player in the sport uh to pivot uh is there anyone people a lot of people are maybe talking highly of right now that you just know doesn't have a chance if you were going to put your that same own money on it is there a 20 year old you hate how about we go back to reverse that can we go can we go back to march madness so you can talk positively about we're gonna pivot flip it and reverse it dark horse for the trophy okay dark horse dark horse for the trophy i think jaden mayava at usc lincoln has a knack for getting his quarterbacks to the finish line he's got a schedule if they all of a sudden mid-year beat oregon at in the coliseum my ava is going to be right up there and then way dark horse watch out for a guy like turbo richard the new running back at indiana i'm in i'm in tell me more i mean that's a heisman name right yeah that's crazy turbo richard turbo richard are you kidding where's he from he he played at uh boston college last year and here's the one a couple of things that we have to know from indiana's recent run kurt signetti incredible evaluator they're gonna run the absolute heck out of the football look what they did to alabama in the rose bowl yeah 50 runs in that game which was astonishing and they have to run the absolute heck they have to run it in order to throw the rpos and they're going to have one of the best offensive lines in the country with carter smith all-american back at left tackle and he's not going to have to split carries as much as last year they did between uh himby and uh keelan black so i watch out for turbo richard in the like 1400 1500 yard range yeah that's just kind of a um yeah i mean i would throw personally malachi tony in there i love maybe jesus he's i love malachi tony i love malachi tony so dynamic i think i think he's the second most dynamic player in college football to smith i think you're gonna have to give smith yeah no i agree right it's a good point but tony is is unreal yeah love that kid um all right well joel thank you as always you're the best and uh we will get this golf set up although we didn't realize you were a plus two and a half so that's that is that kind of like yeah we thought you were you guys want to just scramble we could play like so shane bacon you got everyone knows shane he's an excellent excellent player he and i could just like best ball against your scramble or something like we're saying do you think that six of us can beat you two of you in a scramble if we're scrambling i don't think you can yeah i don't think so if we're doing you're doing best balling and we're scrambling i think that could be a good match i actually think that that's probably the way to go yeah because we're not what would you scramble like the six of you would you shoot like four or five under uh sure yeah yeah probably yeah why not like that why not that sounds good yeah we played in in uh jim harbaugh's like golf tournament 10 years ago about yeah it was a long time years ago and we did scramble as myself big cat hank and tony scheffler and this is before we played golf at all yeah uh and i think we ended up shooting like three over yeah yeah but now you're you're so mad at us was he really oh yeah he was like what do you guys it was like it was at the turn and he was like what do you guys shoot and we're like plus one he's like you don't scramble and he just drove away he's so upset he's like these guys don't want to compete yeah they don't want it they don't want it you know all right well thanks joel i appreciate your time guys thanks for having me on okay fire fest of the week wrapping it up henry oh you don't have one not really i see that face yeah i i mean it's it's the same fire fest that i had maybe like a month ago i'm i'm and i'm it's so i don't even want to i don't want to repeat the conversation back no the we got crazy rain my car roof is still fucked oh and like every time i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god ever since you said i didn't have a sick car your car has been yeah i'm honestly i'm i'm i'm thinking about just i actually you were doing the ad read earlier and i was listening because i love listening to our ads Thank you. I actually might get a truck. I'm a Chevy Silverado guy. Wow. Pivot from the sick to just like the grit. Yeah. I mean, trucks can be sick, too. You're not that guy, pal. Why not? What are you going to use it for? You're not a truck guy. First car I ever had was a truck. I'm not that guy. I want to be. I will get a Chevy Silverado if you get one. You want to go matchies? Yeah. Same color? Not a big truck. I'm not going to be like the. It's almost like you want a car that's like part car and part truck. It's useful. I mean, there's cars that have like. Every time we get to drive it, it's so sick. So, yeah. But, yeah. If that only existed. My car. Look. There's a Silverado that's towing the El Camino. Oh, look. That's Hank. That would never happen. That's Hank right after the Wizards. Yeah, that could be me. Yeah, because I'm going to have a sick car in like eight months anyway. Yeah, sick like hospitals. Sick. We saw NBA Johnny today and he was like. PFT was like, what do you think about the Wizards? No, I was like, if you're going to be NBA Johnny, you got to talk about the Wizards. Yeah, and he said, I think it's going to be like the Hornets last year. I'm like, that's not good. You need a little better than that. I know. Then he clarified and said playoffs. One through eight. Somewhere one through eight and not one through six. Just to clarify, he never said that. What do you mean? He never said playoffs. Yeah, he said one through eight. One through eight. No, you were cutting him off when he was saying that. He was like, yeah, they might be. He said one through eight and then he said it's going to be tough to be in the top six. He said, we'll see. You're gaslighting. This is some gaslighting shit. Don't gaslight. Watch PMTV. Don't gaslight. Okay. Good. So you got a wet car? Yeah. How wet is it? It's pretty wet and then it like smells now. So it is what it is. I got to get it fixed. Yeah. I had a pretty good week. What? I had a really good week. Huh? I had a pretty good week this week. You can't walk. You've literally been in traction. I know. Pregnantly. You walked in the studio. I don't know if that was yesterday or two days ago and I felt bad. You were screaming out of nowhere for like, I could see the pain. I had a spasm. I had a couple of spasms, but I took steroids this morning, so I'm feeling better. I'm feeling strong. But if anybody has anything better than steroids, I'm all ears. To hear what it is. So not a great week. Not a great. And in fact, a pretty rough physical week, but you have a $4 million tournament coming up like in a week. Every day you wake up above ground is a good day. You're the most injured podcaster ever. I know. I know. But that's why I don't want to talk because no one wants to hear me complain about like an injury, but it does say having a fucked up back is bad. It sucks. It's the worst. It's a fire fest. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he has had an injury like every week. Yeah. It's been like one thing. This last year has been really, really bad physically, which is tough. And I don't, I, it's hard to get out of it when you have a bad back. But yeah, like Tuesday, Wednesday, this morning, it took me about like 30 minutes to get out of bed to like find a position where I can like finally. Sounds like a pretty good week. But then once I get here, I can't complain. Got the best job in the world. Hang out with the boys. Living the dream. It's just my days get off to a slower start than they used to. And hopefully this, the steroids just work like, cause I'm sick of doing the, like take really strong aspirin stuff. Yeah. So the steroids there, that's, that's my bitch right now. Okay. So we're going to see what happens with that. I should be good by the end of the weekend. Okay. I got a two fire fests real quick. One is I definitely had the diarrhea disease. I did white knuckle it. I've just been chugging Pepto-Bismol every day, but it was, I think I'm in the clear, but it was eight straight days. So I had it. I don't know how I got it. Cause I didn't eat salad. I had it last week. Lettuce. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't eat lettuce. So I don't know how I got it. How many burgers have you had this summer? I met like 50. Eight zero with lettuce. No, there's been some lettuce. There you go. Okay. I need to, by the way, I'm, I'm, I'm in some trouble with the burgers. I've slowed down significantly. I'm going to have to have a week where I eat like 20. It's going to be a problem. I'm actually, I'm about to eat too. Donnie's about to make me too. How many, what am I at? 59. And you need to get to a hundred, a hundred by labor day. Yeah. I've slowed down. You got a big weekend. Then you, I got to, I got to do, I got to stack some days. I got to stack some days. So it's going to be camp week. Well, camp week is going to be the final push. I got to do it. Yeah. I can't believe it's going to be big. And then my real fire fest though, is, uh, last night, the pugs 10 PM. First pitch showed up the other team. No showed no email, no text 10 PM. Quack and balls. Fuck you guys. It is such a kick in the dick to have this happen. And I know like 10 PM sucks, but it's like, all right, you're going to have to do this like probably once a season. Right. Everyone has to do it. And you got to just, it's like, I did a whole, I had a whole not like I went out to dinner with my wife. I came home. I watched the last four innings of the Cubs game that sucked. Uh, cause the Cardinals walked off the Cubs. And then I was like, all right, time for softball. Like get out, get out of bed. I was laying in bed, get out of bed, go play softball. Once you get there, all you want to do is play softball. All you want to do is play guys completely no showed nothing. The only thing they did was one guy DM to max 30 minutes before the start of the game being like, Hey, we're not going to show that is not enough. We were at the field already. Just fucking email. You knew you weren't going to play. That is, you should be in jail. You should be in jail. If, if, if you do, if you, if you know, show a 10 PM softball game, you're just a piece of shit human being. I think that's fair to say, right? I think half the, the half the games. That are played at 10 PM must be no show, no calls, right? No, no, no. The guy. Yeah. You take it seriously. Yeah. Like that. I would never do that. Like in our team, the pugs, we have, we have, we have had to forfeit a couple of games because of our travel schedule and stuff. We are, we know we're forfeiting like two days in advance. We email them because it's like, that's just the right thing to do. You don't want to make people just show up to a softball field at 10 PM. Anyone who's ever played any type of adult. Intramural sport knows exactly what we're talking about. It is a true kick in the dick and you are a true scumbag. If you do this. So quacking balls, we're coming for you. I don't know what else we're going to do. I actually had to call off the dogs last night. Cause memes is like, I found the guys LinkedIn. I was like, dude, chill out. Memes is one of those guys. You gotta, you gotta every now and then pull on the leash. Somebody that goes too far. Yeah. But you gotta tell them not to. But you gotta pull on the leash every now and then. This kid got cooked. He got cooked. He, he, he got ratioed to hell. His, his. He's got 1.3 million views. 1.3 million views. Yeah. No, we were just warming up and you know, that that's the worst feeling is, is showing up to the field warming up. Was the umpire there? Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, I guess he was there for the game. Yeah. Warming up and being probably pumped. You know, you know, in the back of your head, when you don't see a single person 10 minutes before the game, it's a, it's, it's a no show, but in the back of your head, you're also like, maybe we're on the wrong field. Yeah. What if they're, yeah. Like someone's like, Oh, maybe they're down there at that feels like, no, that's another game. So you, you're doing the, the coping mechanisms where you're in denial. And then it just, it was, it sucked. It sucked. Max memes. It sucked. Yeah. Well, the 10 PM aspect, because it's like we, I, we both did something earlier in the night. I went home and I was like, fuck, I gotta like kill time before I go to this, this softball game. You go to the game super early. Cause it's like, I got nothing else to do. I may as well just show up. We're waiting around. We're waiting around, watching other people play. And then it's finally our turn to play. You just got to go home. All you want to do is play. Like I could have just stayed home. I would have had a great night just staying home and not having to go to the 10 PM game. I would rather lose a 10 PM game than win with a forfeit and a notion. Oh, a hundred percent. You still get to play. Still get to play. And you, we just wasted our night. I just got blue balled with softball. I wanted to play so bad. We just wasted our night. Yeah. Because it is, it's like a mental thing that you have to get yourself pumped up for a 10 PM game. And once you go through that process to have it. Ripped from you. Fuck. Quack it balls. You may as it would have been. So it would have been. So that would actually been a great cancellation. If we got a call from the league being like, Hey, the other team. Yes. That would have been an awesome, awesome night. I was already in bed. Yeah. I can stay home. Yeah. The fact that we got up, went to the field, waited around for 30 minutes just to get back in the car and go home. Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. And some people got parking tickets because of it. Jack McCarthy. But he also drives a Benz, which is so sick. See, did you guys see that? The Jack McCarthy's tweet was like, pay for my parking ticket. Yeah, I'm okay with that. But it was also. Yeah. He got all he got. He made sure to get 100% of the Mercedes Benz logo in it. Yeah. Really let everyone know. The C class. I fucking drive a Benz. That's what he's telling everyone. All right, Zach, finish off. My favorite this week is just, I guess, similar related to the fact that I have recently unlocked the square footage for a couch. So I've been in the market for a couch and it just seems like everybody who sells something online just lie because every couch is the best couch you've ever clicked on. And I just don't know who to believe. And I kind of have furniture trust issues. So all week I've been trying to do like due diligence and like being adult and like research these things. And there's just no way around it. Every guy with a couch is your best option. That's just pretty much what I'm going through. Have you tried it out? Are you on like Facebook marketplaces? I'm on like TikTok, Instagram. So are you learning all about the couches? Are you reached the point where there's like too much information about the couches? No, there's this weird thing. There's like a podcast. in the couch market with boneless couch now where there's no frames on the inside oh the ones that come fake you china that you just like they come like vacuum sealed then you just let them yes like amoeba couches and they hide those in the listings of the couches that are structurally sound for guys who fluctuate yeah so you just never know what you're going to get you can't get a boneless couch no i know i know that but they hide them well because it looks some of these photos i have a suggestion zach it might it might be time to go to a furniture store yes i'm saying because if you buy if you buy a couch online there's a non-zero chance it might be boneless yeah you don't know you're not taking for a spin you got to take it for a spin there's like quite a bit of couch clickbait going on in the market this needs to be a uh like a pen and paper flesh-to-flesh transaction ass on cushion that's the cushion i i would not buy a couch online no okay also no no free ads but someone in chicagoland hook our boy up let's get him let's get him a couch someone someone has to be a couch i would not buy a couch online no okay also no no free ads but someone out there listening right now is has some couches furniture store let's get zach in there off the truck on the truck yeah get you in there feel a couch laying a couch now zach the question is do you have enough room for a a full couch or is it a two-seater i've got uh i got like 103 inches to work with if we're just gonna go 103 inches what is that like eight and a half i think maybe two and a half seats maybe three seats nine feet what's max what did you guys search if feet this is 103 inch couch right here that's eight feet that's yeah that's yeah i felt like that was a that was a good visual representation oh no i was just looking for what 100 i eight and a half feet i was i was looking for that but but now you can see what a what 103 inch couch it looks like zach you might be getting a couch so you can go fully sleep on you kind of eliminate the bedroom nothing better yeah maybe get the l yeah get an l yeah but if you get the l then you have to do like more socializing because you're like if i have this many seats you have to like no you don't have to you don't have to invite anyone over you just get the come you get the one oh just go full l solo yeah yeah dude what do you mean all right that's of course you get it's a good idea that was the best place to sit that's where you're gonna eat your meals i'm confused what why does that mean you have to socialize if you have the l the l the l it just makes it more comfortable for a second i just thought looking at that many seats it might be like oh i gotta fill these seat voids but never mind you guys are correct you can sell sell seats to your to your living room no i wasn't talking about charging coverage i just yeah i started i preface with socialize okay no no you get you get yourself an l dude and someone please hook zach up let's get that hooked up we're also gonna need zach to learn how to donate those big uh everyone was commenting he's got to donate those 90 shirts i said just definitely donate those just aren't those shirts just they they like fall apart you wash them once like they're not they're like not they don't have the longevity of those are the shirts you're waiting on back order for the shirts that you can only wear once yeah but that they're low price point you get the wares they just they tend to fall apart that's all i'm gonna get you in some black shirts i'm gonna get you some new shirts okay good show boys numbers 23 5 89 96 86 69 6 74 what'd you guess beams 23 98 oh no it's too off what'd you guess 89 i guess 96 dang all right one more one more so as long as memes doesn't win it we're good i'm gonna take five so 59 anybody what's up you get it what'd you pick colton uh happy birthday to brian aracpo and mark cuban happy birthday uh tim couch happy birthday to bobby altoff and kipa key the rare spotless giraffe and happy birthday to scotty barnes and happy birthday to francis scott key bars bangers love you guys happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday to you we're gonna get right back to the show it's fran from chicks in the office the weather is getting cooler and abercrombie's fall drop has everything i need for the season the best-selling anf sloan tailor pant is a closet staple for me i'm always wearing it to work events happy hour anytime i want to be a bit more dressed up and the viral dylan dress is easy one and done perfection but my fall uniform will always be denim paired with a henley sweater a bra free top it's comfortable effortless it just never fails find your fall caps at abercrombie shop in the app online and in stores all right back to part of my take