In Your Shoes with Seun and Glory

Hello hello hello everyone happy happy happy new year to you guys and thank you Thank you so much for amazing 22 into 5 and now we're in 26 and I cannot say how much you guys have been so much of Respiration to me and always keeping me going like we want more episode than this and that so today I have to amazing guests here today, you know I always promise you guys premium content right and yeah, Shen Wang glory I will allow them introduce themselves today we're going to step into their shoes You know they wear a lot of hats past our project manager recording at his auto parent ETC, you know The Shepherd communities create ads and we're going to look at what does this look like for them day to day We're going to find out what that is about so Shen Wang glory take the stage and introduce yourself tell us what you are comfortable You know to share let the audience get to know you a bit yeah Okie dokie yeah I mean you said it all Okay, what can I add to that so like she said my name is glory married to amazing shield and What both parents to a beautiful baby girl Personally professionally at the time of this record at the time of this So professionally right now I work as a program manager I We run Accelerator programs for founders and startups with my company my company invests in in startups I also sing professionally I'm a Christian for those listening Which means a lot of my time is also spent encouraging and supporting young christians youths as well Not just spiritually but professionally as well so you're thinking all around mentorship All right On the other hand I'm shown married to the amazing glory We've been in Berlin for around three years and ten months now And I'm a product manager that's my career But aside just being a product manager I'm passionate about leadership wrote my facebook around two to three years ago and my self and my wife we are on track to release another one within H1 in 2026 So I am passionate about leadership and so these two books and I just spoke about has to do with the topic of leadership And I recently started a linear videography just so I can shoot some music videos from my wife We released a music video I think in the last two weeks yeah Bokbewa Yeah Bokbewa And we have a couple of music videos planned for 2026 I think we're already done with one That should be out in like some three weeks And then for the other one we see need to shoot some clips For we release it but within q1 q2 I guess Bokbewa is a very funny story on its own because he took me to a museum After one of those days we both took off from work And like it was our flexed experience having our baby in the daycare in the kitab We haven't had that since so it's like we put our in daycare and we got to go out like we would do you or no baby no No attachments and then we went to this museum like please and then he's like oh this place is nice Just take some shots that I can use to promote you so Turn them into a music I'm amazing show for your reason My hair was so rough like why did you tell me I'm going to link that video on this podcast you guys should actually see that video It's really good So for you two for you guys to believe me right Glory can you give us like a song something maybe Think within your shoes podcast or something So they can know now and let me know that I'm talking to you Okay, okay, let's see freestyle. Oh, yes now for sure Lord Well, let's see let's see Do you know what it feels like to walk in the shoes of a stranger Do you know what it feels like to feel what they felt Well now you know Cuz you hear On this podcast come on the more you listen The more you learn Oh come on You need to look at she'll be like come on that's my wife Wow, thank you glory Amazing so guys let's let's tap into the shoes right and let's talk about Let's start from ministry Like what is the moment that you call the start of your ministry Yeah, she and my glory want to go Yeah, I think I'll go first. Okay. All right I think I say this most of the time that for both of us It's hard to say when was the specific time for both like both of us as a couple because he just it didn't ministry didn't really start Um with both of us when we got married For both of us it actually started before we met Uh before we met one another so personally um on my end A lot of things had been happening a lot of professors a lot of things a lot spoke about Um as as from from childhood and growing up into my teenage years And even as a teen already was running an organization called shining star foundation basically for Young Christian the idea was to be able to give them a 360 degree View of what excellence looks like at the believer so believers are not just supposed to be people who are spiritually They're also supposed to be people who are emotionally sound spiritually sound all yeah And was able to grow that community to about 400 people who would have monthly meetups chats Uh and all of that there was a lot of God was speaking about my new music and And basically teaching ministry as well So I was really particular about who I was going to meet It was so fundamental. I'm like lord. I can't afford to settle for just anyone and when I met him it was pretty much like God basically packaged Someone and you know what my child these are all the things you need to do I will not give you someone who will be in conflict with you I'm giving you someone who's basically going to align with you So you don't have to turn off who you are and what I've called you to to achieve because you got married And I think that was the blessing. There's a lot He will share as well Personally about how it started for for him before we actually met and then came together To align our proposal goes and our visions together lies Yeah, so for me there like three 20 points in terms of ministry and I'm gonna just share two And the first one was when I was on campus I was in the music team But somebody did prophesy I think God said he was going to use me within the fellowship I was RCA by the way, within Chris and for me And so something happened that year when they were selecting the next set of escows that I think hadn't happened before in the fellowship Usually someone that was going to lead the Bible study team would come from the Bible study And scored but the movement from the music team to lead the Bible study team because the committee said the prayer and the belief got us Directing them to make me leave that team And it was as first overwhelming But got to control and there was a lot of revival that did break out I mean we had Bible studies that people came from other fellowships to join our fellowship And the fruit of you know that wanted to hear Bible study training Today we have people that I even passed or that I studied at ministries that were part of the fellowship A lot of people were really grounded in the faith So I mean I did that But after school I said you know that I don't have anything to do with ministry largely because I saw what my dad had to sacrifice as a result of being a pastor And I didn't want to go that route And this happened for a long time So I wasn't actively as involved in ministry for close to four years But there was a night when I was praying I was 29 at the time and I was like Okay God I want to be more serious and the Lord was really talking to me within that period I'm part of amongst many things that the Lord was talking to me about One of the things he said was hey the things I told you about when you were compost the plants I have for you I've not changed my mind My calling I'm not repenting of my calling So I should go back to my notes to check out those things he told me Then he told me that I was going to meet with my by the way this was after I filled relationship And the Lord also told me that I was going to meet my spouse, the best I'm going to get married to. I was going to get married at the age of 30. And once I got married, it was going to open setting doors for me. And I think towards the end of the year, I met with glory. No, started chatting off from around the year. In November of the year, then January the next year, I met a person in Portacote. I was visiting Portacote every month, taking a flight to Portacote every month. And I think eventually after eight months, I relocated to Portacote. And in true to what God said, I got an offer. I was going to bring me to Germany, for me to relocate to Germany. And I had to come with my family and my wife. And so that prophecy really played out. So we got married. And that was how we moved. And so what God had told me the previous year actually played out. But one of the interesting things as well, when it comes to ministry and alignment was, I think the first day that we had, there was a lot of synergy, synergy in terms of, some of the things our parents bought were in three ministry. That were very unique experiences that we couldn't share with a lot of people. We were able to talk about it. And this was the first person I was able to ever share this with in my life. There were things I have never talked to people about. But I think you were talking about it. I was like, "Yeah, my dad actually experienced this." And so we had lined on that front. Then we grew up reading very similar books, especially Canadian books. So I was like, "Okay, there's this synergy there." And I felt like, "Man, this was a dry place to be." And yeah, that's been the journey so far. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you for sharing that. I mean, as you're talking, of course you have families, you have friends, you have colleagues, you have ministry, you have a full-time career. How do you jog with this without boning out? Yeah? Like, what do you do? Maybe somebody there can pick one or two things, I don't know. But yeah, maybe you guys have like, "You follow one to three?" Oh, like this. I'll keep it honest and say, because I'm not going to pretend like it's a walk in the park and something we just do because we're that awesome. The truth is, it can be very difficult. Well, the first thing I've found has been the most helpful for me. It is being married to someone who's on the same page with you, regarding what your goals are. Like, what do we want to achieve? I think we've had this conversation and we came to a place where we decided we don't want to sacrifice our career. We also don't want to sacrifice being present parents. We would not sacrifice our spiritual groups. And we also don't want to sacrifice community. So basically, we want it all. So the question, now that we're both aligned, that every one of these, the entire priority in their own rights. None of them is something that's meant to be true in a way. It means we've been forced. I mean, that was always the plan, but we are more so having to be intentional about being actual partners in every single thing. I mean, I shared this story with the time when I just had my baby. The work opportunity came up. It was pretty much just three months after she was born. And I said, "I really want to do this. I want to travel for this. I don't want to be left out." And I said, "You know what? You go for it. It's three days. I'm here. I'll take care of the baby." And I thank you. And I felt confident to let him do that. Then I was also like expressing milk for the baby. And I traveled and I left him with her. And I had no fear. How long were you held for? Three days, actually. And then while I was in the week, took you over to. I started becoming angry because this baby was not kind of busy. I'm like, "What's the meaning of this? What kind of insult is this?" What does she mean? And then our parents were calling him back to. I was just checking on you every two hours. Why do you want to see the baby when you check? Let me see the baby. Because they wanted to be sure that it was going to be out. It was happening to their grandchildren. So that is very key. You guys are on board. And then you become partners with regards to helping one another win. Not anybody feeling like, "Oh, you know what? I have to take precedence right now because you're going through this." I mean, everybody's situation is different. But if you both decide to be in tension and about each other's success. Yeah. and take the pinch sometimes. It really, really helps to balance things out. Secondly, I realized that I'll be honest. I'm not the strongest when it comes to keeping up with friends when I'm overwhelmed. It's been. he's better at it. I don't know how he magically just makes it work. It's like. I feel like some of the relationships in my life that I've been able to still maintain is because of him. I'm like, "Lord, I thank you." I hate being overwhelmed. I also. Even though I lost some of the most amazing people in my life because I wasn't really being able to juggle this stress conveniently. What I realized that has helped me with the healthiest is I need to plan for my relationships and friendships. I have learned how to plan my products. I wake up in the morning and you have your two-doolistic things. I need to be accomplished this week. I put them on a schedule. But I wasn't scheduling because I'm not coming out of your schedule calling someone for five minutes. It makes no sense. But it does. If you know that your weakness is scheduled, so if you need to write your friends' names down and say, "So, Monday, so, so, so, so, when's the next one so Friday?" Even if it's just a text that says, "How are you doing for the week?" "Schedule the fact that you need to send that text message." And I think it's getting a little bit better. I'm not there yet. Yeah. But it's getting better. So, just in addition to what she was saying, I would just say two things. No, but when you have to face the find division, what do you guys want to achieve together? Then secondly, you have to come up with a structure. So, recently we had this conversation where she told me some things that were important to her. She wants me to reach her before she goes to bed. And I don't like doing that. I'm not the kind of person that when I'm reading, I'm reading that, I'd rather internalize all the words. So, we came up with a structure where we say, "Do you know what Friday nights will be the time where I fulfill this your desire of me reading you to sleep?" And I think I missed it too Friday night ago. And last week, she forced me to do it twice. She didn't do it. To compensate for the time I missed it. Then we also did things like, we came up with a structure to stay once every quarter. We're going to have a meal and you time where we dropped the baby at the daycare. And we both have to take time off work. Where we go to somewhere where it's just meal and you just go to sleep or enjoying some sort of experience. There's a lot of experience within Berlin that we've no explored yet. So, we're going to use that time for this. And then once every year we're going to take a vacation. Of course, so just come in up with a structure and try not to take on too many things that we can, that is going to make us burn out. An example is also with the book writing. The book that we're both writing together. I mean, this has taken us about two years to do. So, three years. Ideally, this is something that could have been written within less than one year. So, come in up with a structure to say, "Hey, for this year, this is what we want to achieve." I think even recently, for your music, we've been discussing to say, "Hey, this year, that is in 2026. This is what we want to achieve. And not burning ourselves up and just walking within the confines of what we think we can accommodate." Interesting. As you are just talking in my mind, I'm just like, "God bless you, Mr. Henry." Because you see that structure thing you talked about. You introduced it also to us like a year ago and where you try to manage your vacation days. You know, intentionally doing things that you both agreed to do and not just burn out. Like, this actually works. So, yeah, I agree with you. Thank you guys for sharing. As we're talking, like I mentioned earlier, your both career parents. So, like, what's that leadership practice that maybe you've taken from work? And you've also taken from ministry. You know, and you're able to jog good things together. And it has helped you to manage work. Like, is there something like that that you like to share? I trust me. I think there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. One of the biggest and I would say, juxtaposable traits that I would say came from ministry. That has helped me so much in my career. It's confidence. And I would say this for Christians who are listening. If there was no heaven, there was no God. Get that discovery. It's absolutely nothing. What having your children go through ministry and seven ministry does for them cannot be treated for anything in the world. It's because from a young age, you are exposed to people. You are exposed to handling situations. If you're in positions of service, you are exposed to many of the things you would encounter in the business world. And so you start early. You pretty much have like a fest start as that is like planning your planning summer camps and all of that. You don't know that I didn't even know that this is where business skills. And then I get into the program and it meant space. Running text at the same time. You are just people like the new to my department that I talk to all the time. So there's a setting kind of confidence I showed up with that. I'll be honest with you. I think even for some people in the line, didn't expect the kind of commutants from you, African girls, just you know. Yeah, yeah. And that's just saying, but the truth is it does so much for you when it comes to managing people. And then emotional intelligence. When you've, when you are leading a society in church and all of that or in ministry, you find that one skill you must learn is emotional intelligence. People are so different. You have to learn how to manage attitudes, how to manage your own emotions, be self-aware, and know what you're feeling, why you're feeling it. Be able to call yourself out when you've experienced the moments of jealousy and say, no, that is not a God. And put a stop to it and say, I choose to see the best in this individual rather than try and project what I'm feeling because I feel left out in the moment. These are things people don't talk about. But you grow in and then you learn how to appreciate people for who they really are. You take that into the business, because you discover there's something different about you. People just realize, why is it like you really have arguments with your team members? Even when you work with hard, easy, tough boss, nice boss, not so nice boss, and yet you're still at the expert at managing this stakeholder expectations. It's because you've had training. It was ministry, but it was also a training ground to help you when it came to life and poppies and achieving your dreams as well. Yeah, I think she said it all. Because not, while we speak, and I remember the first time I was going to, you know, recite memory verse as a kid. I don't know if we did this in 1990 or in church. Yeah. I think the first time I was very shy. But I think the church encouraged me and when I was eventually able to recite my memory verse, the club for me. Yeah. So what that did as a kid was it boosted my confidence. You might not even know this. So from being a kid, you're able to speak at global stages. Like this year, I have been privileged to speak at setting places. And I was talking to somebody. You were saying, how were you able to build this confidence? Did you do this? I couldn't tell him at what point I was able to build that confidence, to be able to speak to any kind of crowd. To give you context, there was a particular crowd I was speaking to. I was practically the only person of color speaking there. And it was a called German crowd. And I was able to carry everybody along. But I had been building this as a kid, you know, because you have to stay in front, speak to different people. You have forced to do setting things. So that's also building you. And also in the same way, being a product manager, there are some skills I'm getting there. And we were to apply to even family. You know, we talked about structure the last time. So as a product manager, you have to have your gira board. You have to plant these. Yeah. In the same way, there are some skills I bring from that, that you know, we usually define me to say, hey, for this year, this is what we want to achieve, this quarter. This is how we structure our things. So I think there's a lot of transferable skills between-- Between both. Between both. Yeah. Follow-up question on Asura Discozen. Yeah. For people that are not early exposed to ministry, yeah. And they find it difficult to be audacious or having confidence. And they find themselves in the-- especially people of color, or even not. Yeah. And you find yourself in this space where there is a lot-- imagine you're working in a company, no, 5,000 plus. And maybe in your team, you guys are like 50 or something. Yeah. How do they lend this confidence? Like, what are maybe practical steps or something you have to say? Yeah. Because I can-- I'm just imagining somebody hearing this. OK, we that were not exposed to ministry. Yeah. So I just wanted to make it balanced. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And I love to speak to this, because I mentioned the organization around-- started running in Nigeria. So I started foundation. This was exactly why one of the major reasons why we started doing what we were doing. Because we saw that a lot of questions were very spiritual. But when it came to being professional and showing up with excellence, it was zero. And some of them knew how to be that person in church. But it's like, OK, when I come into this class, why can I still be that person? Does what I have in me still quote value in this setting? One thing I would say is it's not about when you started. It's about the intentionality with which you do what you do now. Fest step, I would tell anyone in that she was get a mental. It is so key to be able to look for people that are currently doing what you would like to do. It's like, OK, this is the kind of person I want to be. But I've not become that person. Who is currently doing it? You need a reference point. You need to be able to look at someone and say, this person is doing it. This person is commanding the respect that I hope to be able to command irrespective of where I think I'm coming from on my background. Because what that verse of what does, where it tells you, it's doable, it's realistic. Now, all right. So what do we need to work towards? And I'll get very nitty gritty practical. In Chinese, that's what we used to do funny little exercises as simple as getting people together in a group. And we'll take a word, a random word, it can be bodacious. And then we'll get you to speak, give a speech around bodacious for two minutes, impromptually. So we do it. We laugh at each other, feeling for each other, you try again. And people start realizing that, wow, now I can, like I can randomly take any word. And it's too many speech around that word. Or five words, incorporate those five words into a story. Simple exercises like this that a mentor can actually guide you to. Then you start doing things like recording your own voice. You speak and you hear what you sound like. You watch out for your persistence, like, ah, so it's the little, it's the little, it's the little, it's two things. Then intentionally start speaking in front of your friends. Do get, do hosting, get together in your house. You have 10, 15, 20 people come over, get up and speak. Assign 10 minutes for speaking, get involved in your current church right now or society belong to and start serving, stand and worship people into church. Look at them and smile and say, welcome to church. With a broad smile on your face to a stranger who is founding until I'm one changing, I'm founding, when do you smiling? You know, get up on stage, looks stupid for the first three months that you do it. If you've got a shake and you never see a world of error, but watch yourself improve over time. So it's more about the consistency, intentionality, the practices and you have to get really practical about that good. Use metrics as well, be able to measure your progress. Oh, I can't do better now after two months than when I started to want to go. Don't treat it like, literally be so intentional about the better in a goal. Amazing. Thank you so much, glory. This is, you also had anything? I mean, she has said it was just kind of like keeping. So, just leave it there. Like, just a bit of comment on that. I am a huge believer of, I wouldn't say what I've not done. So you see these things that you said about recording yourself, speak to your friends, etc. I remember before starting this podcast, I keep asking myself, what do I want to say? How do I say it? Yeah. I start to listen to a lot of podcasts, especially in the line of what I want to do. I start to listen to a lot of them. I talk to my husband about it. Sometimes I'll pick my phone. Oh, I have a lot of filler words. No, this is not. And after I did that, I was still not confident, but I said, started anyway. And the truth is, even if you listen to the first podcast, and it's an ongoing journey. But I can confidently say there is growth. And there is something God is doing with this. So I agree with you like one or one thing. So thank you for sharing that. Just what you said is something that's very profound. And I hope anyone who's listening pays attention to it. One of the biggest mistakes people make is, the thing is allowing perfection from the enemy of good. So it's like, if I'm not able to not hear a single filler word, I'm not going to do this. That shouldn't necessarily be the case. Because what you do when you do that is you spend three years building proficiency that could have been built in six months. If you had started practicing actively. And funny enough, this is something I've had to learn from my husband because I'm a perfectionist. If it's not done to the tea, let's not put it out. What is it like? No, let's put it out. If I let the mistake become the virality part. Let them love at you. We need love at you. You will get better. They will be talking about you because they are loving and true. And they will know that they are promoting you so that they are on board to watch the next one. That's his perception of life. And I've found that since I adopted that approach of, OK, yes, it might not be 100% yet. It won't be bad. Because it's not about mediocrity. I would absolutely nothing to do in mediocrity. I hate mediocrity. But it should be you intentionally putting out your good works. Yes. All right. And then trusting God that as you are working on yourself and putting out your good works, people can see the goals. And they can see how much better you become with time. Amazing. Thank you so much. And let's talk about you. Sean released a book, "Leadership 101 for Millennials and Gen Z." So why the book? Why leadership book? Yeah. So it's two things here. No, but why a leadership book? And also why leadership for millennials and Gen Z? Because this is probably not a topic that we want to use for that demographic. Haraindatara, kawara, nabithia. Haraindatara, kawara. 小 cheaped Ol buradan Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa Olipa aipuliaz, aapik an instrumenta that I really love. I really, really love it. Like a soft flute instrumental. I played on one tab and then I opened the next tab and stopped playing the audio book I wanted to listen to. So they are playing together and I was like, "And David said. " [laughs] So I end up like, I'm lying down and I'm listening to both of them. And when I want to work out, because that's something, my workout time is time that is long. How do I utilize this workout time properly without just using it on workout time maybe a fast song or something. So I did the same thing. So now sometimes I'm listening to an audio book or an audio book. Yeah. With an Afro beat instrument. [laughs] I mean, this is where people just do a walk-through because. Yes! So like, we are probably would be distracted. So, you know. I mean, but this is what I'm looking for an instrument that has no words. So it's no words. [sings] [sings] The man was going to the street. [laughs] So that's what I do. So for workout time, when I need to go write a book as well, I use an Afro beat. And that's because Afro beats is. I love Afro before. It depends on what any other person likes. It can be jazz, classical. So Afro beats instrument are not with words. I reduce it to be honest, because if it's too loud, it's overpowering. But it's on the background. It's helping me feel like I want to work out for the next 40 minutes. But then the audio book is slightly increased and listening to the audio book and on the treadmill or something. Then another thing I think we used to do is sometimes when you read something or you listen to an audio book or you listen to a message or something. To make the message really thinking we talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Thank you guys. As you're talking and for guys that love reading or maybe audio book, you know, won't work for them. I mean, I can borrow this actor, my husband, do, because he's a reader. And because of a parent and our life is busy, so we decided to slip train our kids. Yeah. So they have. They have time that they slip. They're so used to it. Especially our second born. Just seven. She's sleeping. And recently, my husband would get like a reading light. And he likes reading from his. What does this thing come from? This Amazon Tab. Kind of, yeah. And then he just stays. Even if it is a chapter, he ensures that he reads it in the night. For me, before I was reading, before marriage, you know that. But now it's really podcast. It's just audio, just plug it in on my way to work, coming back from work, going to sleep. I find time to do that. I mean, if you heard what you said, it's one of the reasons why I got him to start reading to read. Yes. Because I love. See, I love. And podcasts are not your books are actually also good. But I think there is also a difference. I'll be honest, that happens when you're reading and you're using your eyes. As well as your voice. Because the thing is, you may not be vocalizing the words, but your mind is vocalizing. So you're engaging two senses. You're engaging with your eyes and your vocal chords when you read. And then, I think about that for me, I'll be honest. Sincs in less time than it takes an audio book to sink in. And without having to pay as much attention. I know I'm different, I might be different. I also think it's because with reading, you're able to avoid as many distractions as possible. And so you're into the message. True. Which is one of the reasons why I'm like, "Managhan, I love being reactive." So the Lord is your strength. Wow, amazing. Thank you guys. So yeah, what's he talking to you about you? How do you write for two different audience? Like, there's the secular leaders rather. And then there's the church leader without watering down the truth. How do you do that? So for the first book, I went for a secular approach, actually. So I actually did not quote any Bible verse. But some lessons they have on the Bible. And I learned to do that from Paso Samadhi. So I'm part of this mental shape in the Dosa very much. So I think it was same for some people. He wanted to bring in new that Christian values on leadership and business was going to help people. And it was going to organizations to speak. And of course, if you went there and said, "Hey, let's open to the book of Song of Solomon or Proverbs." You was going to turn those people up. So he just started by saying, just talking about this story. And from time to time, we can reference maybe the name from the Bible. And even John Maxwell does that. And so sometimes people are curious and they want to know more about this. So for those that want to know more and they are saying, "Hey, where did you get this story from?" Then he can then reference them to the Bible. But I think for our next book, which we are writing together, is going to be released in the H1. We actually had to code the Bible because we were making a direct reference to someone from the Bible. But at the same time, because we know we are writing for two audients. Or just like you said, we were also able to address those people in the language that they can understand. And so that meant drawing examples that pertain to, let's say, the workplace. So I wasn't just using examples that would happen with leadership in church. I was using examples that were happening. All we were using, because it's the second one we are writing together. Nice. We're using examples that pertain to the workplace. Using examples that pertain to an NGO, not just an example that is going to pertain to a religious setting, kind of organization. Interesting. Thank you, Sean. And, I'm glory. You're a music person, a worship leader. How has this changed your voice or taught you something about leading people? Okay, I'll share a very funny example that has happened. It's a practical example before I get into anything more tangible at work right now. I realized something funny. There's no program I have run. Where I haven't had to end up singing for my coat. It's so funny, but I realized it accidentally kept happening. The first program I run for with the mobility company Audi at the end of the court. In fact, the finalist, what he wants to say, you need to sing us a song. You need to sing us a song before we leave. And then I did a farewell song for them. I literally everyone, people were in tears. I'm like, that's that's so funny. The program I run in Abu Dhabi, weirdly, as sang a song as a surprise, for one of our stakeholders who was doing her birthday. It's the fact that I don't plan these things. Somehow they are naturally up and then they become a beautiful part of the professional experience. The last one, and the funniest one was the last program I ran in London. And then there was this awkward pause and break while I was programming on stage. And then some of my colleagues who know me, some of the judges on the panel who were, you know, many of the live pictures, the founder pictures were like, you might as well just sing us a song. Why are the tech teams trying to sort out this thing? And I'm like, I just might. And they were like, "Gurry, hurry!" And they started hitting the table. Everyone said, "Okay, am I just doing this?" And just like I did right now, I did a freestyle. Yeah. The video is actually the odd way for me. I did a freestyle song for the founders and every one they were so amazed. And I'm like, "I can't believe this happened." I think one of the leaders of my department was there. And she wasn't willing to do the video recording because I didn't like that. It was just a flirty woman. And then she sent it to me. She was like, "This was so amazing!" You know, so I found that because it's a very natural part of who I am. And worship is something that happens effortlessly. It's a part of me that I realize I cannot hide it. I can't even try to hide it. So even when I go into the professional space, it's a part of me that I don't consciously. I mean, we do in the confines of professionalism because you don't cross the professionalism barrier. It unconsciously finds a way of finding the expression. And it's also something that has helped me connect with people as well. Because one thing about the professional space is people think it's not about being professional. People are also first human. Yeah. And if you can find human ways to connect with people, the professional experience becomes a lot better. So something as simple as worship and leading worship and, you know, being musical. And how much experience you have with that becomes literally a tool for connection as well. With professional individuals and everyday business that ends up strengthening your professional relationships. I mean, this is very profound because you can imagine now that maybe you're just a different person. Maybe a workplace. You just decide to keep that part of you. Yeah. Imagine examples that you just gave now. So it's very profound. Thank you for sharing. I mean, this is what a bit of you know. As parents, first, how old is your kid? Is that okay actually? No, that's right. She's 16 months now. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you, how do you guys intend to discipline your children? Yeah. With, but of you. Herakabago reachirse Nations Hentai, oomdau. Aksperend. I am a big fan of it. There are lots of things that I can share. aliputin doo. work that looks like the work of the person who is just we eventually become perfection. So that consistency, right, don't come don't feel like, hey I'm moved from my comfort zone and then truly we all the giftings and the things that God put in you. Find ways to ensure that your giftine continues to consistently find the expression. If you don't have a dog created or if you if no one's giving you a room at the table, please build your own table for finding a way to ensure that you create the scenarios that allow you to express what God has put in you. Find a community as well. Find mentorship. Don't like one of the easiest things to do is get convenient and easy. Yeah. And it's so easy. You wake up and just keep repeating your days. Same same old same old eats, sleep, work. I'm protecting my space. Yeah, protecting your so-called space. And then you wake up 10 years from now realize there's no difference between you up to the end. Yeah, it existed 10. Put yourself in uncomfortable situations. People who will challenge you so much to come back and you feel like man, I need to do more. If those rooms are actually the best rooms for you, if you're in rooms where you don't feel like you need to upgrade or you are in the wrong rooms. Yeah. Thank you. Sorry, I'm actually a little bit short. I think what I will just tell people is especially I think you asked the question about people that moved to the diaspora, any advice? Yeah, also for family, ministry, jogging, everything together. And general advice for 2026, anything that comes in. Yeah, I think people should love God. They should define what they want to achieve. Yeah. Okay, this year do I want to take a course? Do I want to go to the university? Do I want to switch to this career? Be consistent with it? Get mental if you need help. Talk to people. Yeah. I think people are the estimate the power of talking to people. Yeah. Just I mean, we had the anger towards it last week. Yeah. And just listening to everybody talk, you know, from how they got more gay to how they got a car to how they. You know, I got a lot of insights and help. I was also able to share some of my lannies with other people. So just talking to people, especially if a diaspora is going to help you. Then another thing I'm going to say, which is actually good advice is I believe people should belong to a good local assembly because a lot of people also move and they lose touch of doctrine. You have to think beyond yourself. You have to think of your kids. You have to you have to come up with a structure, basically, where you are making sure you are doing your fits. Because one thing we've not growing you might think, well, everything is fine. I have a good job. I have good that I want you to have a structure of maybe like we talked about reading book and listening to stuff. Yeah. You just discover that you look at yourself five years down the line and you are in shadow for what you want to be. Who you used to be. Who you used to be exactly. So you want to make sure that you are properly connected to the right community. Yeah. I think one of the things that we've been blessed with in Berlin is we've been connected to quality people. And I think there is the same thing too for you. Yes. Yes. Just being connected to quality people can be a game changer. Yes. Yeah. Wow. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much guys. Like this has really been enlightening even personally for me. Thank you for the conversation. And just like that, we've come to the end of today's work. Yeah, in Berlin. It's and yeah, but anyways, guys, I'm going to link Shion's book in the section in the comment section. I'm going to put their Instagram pages if you also want to reach out. Maybe anyone to reach out to Gloria or Shion I'm going to put all the necessary information there for you to see. So you can also read the book. And also from my side, guys, it's good to read. Do what works for you more read quality things. Yeah. And if this conversation encouraged you, challenged you or made you feel sin, don't keep it to yourself. Shade with someone we need to say it. Take one real step from what you've heard today. Remember, you don't have to have it all figured out. You just have to keep walking one step, one season, one faithful moment at a time. Yeah. And everything is going to be all right. Everything is going to be fine. Keep trust on the process. So guys, thank you for your time. See you in your shoes. Bye, guys.