236: In Our Spooky Era..

- We're recording. - Yay. - I'm literally everything. - Audio's rolling. I'm gonna fucking check it today. - You do want me to check mine too. - You should? - Oh, I think I cranked 'em. - Da-da-da-da. - Yeah, you're good. - Yeah, I can hear you. - I can hear you. - Great. - I see the levels move in. - I bet. - Gordi is not gonna jinx us today. Annabelle is not gonna jinx us today. - No, no one is jinxing us today. - No one's jinxing us today. - They're giving us good calming energy. - I'm gonna be honest. I kept Annabelle in my car last night 'cause I was like, I can't bring her into my house. - You can even bring her in the house. - No. And then I was sitting here at the studio getting ready with her and like, I don't know, dude. It's in my head. I'm like, she's scary. - She's scary, but you can at least sleep knowing that she is the replica. She's a replica of a replica. - Right. - 'Cause the original Annabelle is a raggedy and all. - Yeah. - Which is so crazy. 'Cause she's so sweet. But like, this Annabelle is based on the movie version, which is completely invented for the film. So she's not even really in the same. She just, her face looks really upsetting, but like, I don't think there's anything. - She's gonna. - Bad about her. - No, she's a good girl and she's gonna help us get some good energy on set today. - Yes. - For all these spooky stories. - Yes. - Our favorite. - Our favorite. - Happy spooky season. - Ooh, I'm in my spooky era. A listener gave this to me at a live show. - Really, what does it say? - It says in my spooky era. - Well, that's great. - That's a swifty and spooky girl. - Oh my gosh, that's so kind of a listener to give that to you. - I get the message. I thought, well, yeah. - The blanket, someone, like, crocheted me. - I guess someone jumped up the blanket in Denver, which I saw you message me, but I can't find it. I need you to message me again, so I can message you about the blanket because you have people out there asking where the blanket is from and they wanna buy your pattern. - Ooh, that's great. - I know. It's a good marketing. - We're gonna hear Etsy going. - I had a listener, Sandra, send me a libuboo. - I know, I'm like, which was way too kind. That was so nice. - Which you had taking as the libuboo connects, I know. - My foot fell off mine, so I had to, like, sew his pants shut. - Oh, really? - Yeah. - Oh, yeah, I've seen the sewn pants. - Yeah. - He's on my tote over somewhere. - Yeah. I was ready to do the whole, like, getting on the lives on TikTok, trying to figure out which one. - Is that how you get them? - Yeah, 'cause you can't just buy them on the website. It's a whole thing because they sell out so fast. They're-- - Oh, no, I know that. - I went to Pop Mart and I really think and I was gonna get one and she laughed at me. - Right, yeah, exactly, exactly. - It's fine. - Like, one libuboo ma'am and they're like, that's not how it works around here. - No, they're like, good luck. - Yeah. - But hi, guys, welcome back to another episode of Two Out Takes. I'm your host Morgan. And today I'm joined by Kaelin Moore of Heart Starts Pounding. - Hello. - Whoa. - Very excited to be here. And you're also joined by my son, Gordy. - Gordy and Annabelle. - And Annabelle. - I love, I actually love that we have Annabelle here today, despite me being scared of her because we really bonded over the fact that you worked on the nun. - Yeah, 'cause, yeah, well, that's kind of our invisible string. - That's our invisible string theory. - 'Cause I worked on the first nun and then you-- - That was like your first date with Justin, right? - It was like the first real date. Like Justin, when he first met me on Hinge, had to kind of like, play the front card. And so our first date, I thought we were just like, meeting at a bar in Minneapolis. The second one, I went over to watch a Vikings football game. And the third one, we went to the nun. And he put his hand on my leg and I was like, he does not wanna be friends. - Okay. - Did you get vibes right away from him, but you were like, this is my husband. - No, honestly, he knew from the first date. - Wow. - He like saw me walk in and after the date, he like got in the car with his friend and was like, get the wedding invites ready. - Oh my gosh. - It took me a little longer. - Yeah. - A little longer. - That's so sweet. - A horror movie is a good, not maybe not first date, but like in the first batch of dates. I feel like a horror movie's good because you have to like hold each other's hands and you get scared. - I know, especially that first time. - That's the tone to like get, like, cuddly. - Yeah. - You worked on a few of the movies though. You worked on the conjuring. - On conjuring three briefly. I worked on Annabelle, two and three, nun, one, a little bit of nun too. I worked on La Eurona, which is technically in the conjuring world. I just worked for the company that made all of those movies. - I'm insane. - So I just, so I got to go see, I don't work there anymore, but I got to go see conjuring four with them and I brought Gordy because I was like making the joke like, if you guys are looking for another doll to make another movie about, like I have one. - You're gonna manifest this for him. - I think he could be a movie star. - Absolutely. - Look at him. - He's just so spooky. - Well, I was telling you, so I got him at this place in Austin called Uncommon Objects. It's an oddity store. It's great if anyone's been. And I have a set that I film on, so I put him in the back of the set. I was like, this is perfect. And at night, it would sound like my dog had gotten upstairs and was running around on the second floor of the house. And we would run up to get the dog out and realize like, oh, dog is asleep, like, fits is asleep in our bedroom, but Gordy's up there. So whatever is inside of him is pretty rowdy. - Did you start putting him in a box, just to be sure, were you still like, I don't want to mess with Gordy that much? Like, he'll be okay. - No, I just kind of close him in the set. Like, yeah, I would just leave him in the room and he'd be fine, but I would hear those noises upstairs. - That's so crazy. - Yeah. - Gordy. - He'll behave today, though. - Okay. - He'll be fine. - Okay, we're gonna have to get some holy water otherwise. But did he get blessed at the con drain? - Yeah, so they were giving out holy water at the premiere, which was-- - What? - Really, yeah. People, yeah, it was fun that they did that. But he did not actually get blessed. So we'll see how-- - You almost don't want to mess with his juju, though. - I know. - I know, I don't want to tip the scale too much and then have something get really mad at me. - Especially if he's gonna get his own movie. - I know. - And the little demon inside is probably hearing this being like, "Give me my movie." - Exactly. - Yeah, that's exactly it. - Everyone at home is probably terrified. Don't watch this episode if it's late at night and you're alone. - Watch it alone, watch it late at night. - Nope. - I will tell you this right now. I was looking for these stories until 4am. And I scared myself so much. I literally slept with a light on. - Oh my gosh. - I literally slept with a light on. I was like, "I can't." And you'll see some pictures. I've got photographic evidence today. I'm just like-- - Well, we talked about, I mean, you are living in a haunted house, so it makes sense that you're also just kind of freaking yourself out too. - I know. And she's supposed to be nice. Like, this is a famous Hollywood actress. She passed in my home, but I don't know what's going on. Like, our cameras keep finding someone. And it'll say someone spotted and it'll track an invisible figure down the hall and then stop. - That's like paranormal activity, just like the movies. Very scary. - I know. I'm gonna be sleeping with a light on again tonight. - I wouldn't freak out with that. Obviously with a light on again. Ugh. Without further ado, y'all, let's dive in. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Okay, first, this is coming from one of our listeners. - Ooh. - Which, if you guys are hearing this, this is our first spooky episode of the month. There will be a Google form in the description. Go and tell me your stories, okay? Especially if there's pictures. Let me know. But this first one, when I heard that you were looking for spooky stories to read on the podcast, I had to become a patron so you would see my story. It's a bit of a doozy and in my opinion, what you might find in the movies, minus the dramatic ending. I have to preface this as it's not my story that has much of a conflict and unfortunately, I can't do anything about what happened or what we found. But I would love to know your thoughts onto the story. This all happened when I was 22 and my two best friends and 22 and Margaret, 21, were all staying at Margaret's grandmother's house to watch her dog and house sit while she was out. This was all around the beginning of fall. As typical young adults, we love to have a good time with alcoholic drinks, some good snacks, a few of our favorite movies and of course witchcraft. We were all itching to stay overnight here alone since Margaret's grandfather, John, died in the exact chair that resided in the living room a few years back. Margaret has had a hunch that her grandfather hasn't passed on. Since she felt his presence frequently there, especially when you sit in that chair. A little backstory. Back in those days, the three of us would participate in practicing WCA, having several Ouija sessions and collecting crystals for their various properties. We even went as far as recording our Ouija sessions and evaluating them afterwards. We always made all the spiritual precautions to protect us from the negative spirits and burned our boards after every session. Yes, we made our own boards out of pen and paper. Don't ever get the fancy store-bought ones since they are hard to dispose of if you plan to use it to communicate with spirits. Disclaimer, I would never recommend practicing in any Ouija sessions if you don't know the basics in particular. Detective spells and precautionary actions before and after asking them questions. They are no joke and you could potentially cause yourself or possibly close by harm. Morgan, you are right to not fuck with them. You literally got the chills. I tell everyone. I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it. Okay. Back to the story. Once the witch you now are struck and the night was quiet, we started our Ouija session. I'll be it a bit tipsy, but still with our wits about us. Sitting by the very chair where Margaret's grandfather had passed, we asked to speak with him. At first, nothing really happened and we encouraged John to use the energy sources we put out around us, mostly water and crystals. Eventually, the planchette moved to the yes position after about the fourth or fifth time we asked, are you with us? Exilarated, we asked the following questions. What is your name? How old were you when you died? What is your birthday? Where did you graduate college? Who was your wife and more? It's important to ask number-based questions and ask specifics that yield short but accurate answers. There are common red flags if you're dealing with a negative spirit or demon, where the answers would be scattered and nonsensical, where the vibe would be off and they say zero for their age. These are all signs to terminate immediately. We did not get this feeling. As the spirit we were speaking to, answered with intelligence and poise. And Margaret stated, it was the same feeling she got when she sensed him before. Prior to starting our session, we had gone around the house to do some research on her grandfather John. We knew the answers to our questions exactly and when asked, the spirits spelled them out nearly verbatim. We asked John spirit more about his life and as he answered, it was as though he was sitting beside us having a normal conversation through a series of letters and numbers as I recorded them in our book of shadows. I no longer have possession of this, otherwise I would provide pictures. Margaret had needed a telegram father something very personal and once she did, it brought us all to tears. As John spirit spelled out her nickname that only he called her when she was a child. Followed by, I love you, VM. Once we got to the point where we had to say goodbye, we asked one final question. Quote, is there anything you need to help you pass on? He answered with bedroom envelope and sorry. We promised we would look into it and do what we could as we slid the planch it over to goodbye, releasing our link to John spirit. Immediately we went into the grandmother's bedroom and tried to find something that John would feel the need to apologize for. Try not to invade her privacy too much while putting everything back in its place. We mostly found typical things that would be in an old woman's bedroom drawers, except one thing. Found in the side where John used to sleep at the very bottom of the lower most drawer was an old unsealed envelope with John's name on the back. As we opened it, we found a printed photo of a woman in lingerie smirking at the camera, with miss you heart written in pen on the back of it with nothing else. Oh my God. Margaret looking at the photo said, quote, that's not my grandmother. Putting two and two together, John must have cheated on the grandmother and now John's spirit cannot pass on without her forgiveness. Allegedly, Margaret was torn on this news and pleaded that she cannot tell her grandmother of this, that it's too personal, and she feared it should be meddling into a relationship that she had no place in. Not to mention, rummaging through her private possessions. But Anna and I didn't feel that it was right to break the promise to John's spirit and potentially never allow him to pass on. Unfortunately, this is where my story ends. Oh my gosh. Margaret never told her grandmother about the session at all. And several years later, the grandmother passed away peacefully in her sleep at her retirement home at the age of 88. So fam, what would you have gone in this situation? Was Margaret right? Oh my God. Cause this is also kind of like an am I the asshole? Like literally, I have like the gosh blown goose bump chill. I was not expecting that at all to get that and like our writer does provide like additional info. I just want to say that this occurrence is a rarity. The spirit has to have strong ties to the people, location, item. And have the ability and strength to use the energy around itself to physically move the planch at two to the degree that John spirit did. In most cases, you would get one or two letters or numbers per questions, then eventually the spirit would deplete itself over time. If it were a true human spirit, in my experience, most sessions last about 15 to 30 minutes. And then they say, John's answers and participation was detailed, intelligent and our conversation went on for about an hour and a half. I cannot stress enough how uncommon this is. And please, those at home do not attempt to use a Ouija board without someone experienced in spiritual ways. So are they suggesting that because it went on for so long, it was maybe not John, it was maybe not human? You know, they don't say that like it almost implies it with that to be like, it went on for an hour and a half, but I think there's so much energy from him. Yeah. And I think like they're in the house. They're right next to his chair where he passed. And clearly like Margaret has like felt the spirit from him before. Whoa. There's part of me that's like, they're right because he cheated on his wife that's horrible. Who knows how long it went on for? Like I could see someone arguing, I don't want to hurt my grandma while with the time she has left by burdening her with this. When this was his mistake, I'm sorry, you can't move on without getting her forgiveness. But you're putting her in a really tough spot being like the only way I can move on in the afterlife is if you have to forgive me for this now, like I can tell you when I was alive because you wouldn't have forgiven me. I know. But now you have to forgive me. And so I don't know, yeah, what do you think? Would you want to know after? No. In just like the few years you have left and he's passed away, you know, oh gosh. No. I mean, she died at 88 a couple of years later. She was like, what, probably like 80 through 84, 86. I mean, no, like what if you then were the reason your grandmother died like from a broken heart? It happened. I know. I know. So I don't know. It is like interesting because you you had this connection with the spear, but like you also don't necessarily know if it was him. Ding, ding, ding, I was going to say that it could be I was going to say that I heard a story. Something more dark. So this girl who would play with this Ouija board in her house and her mom didn't know she was playing with this Ouija board, but she always felt like she was talking to her grandma. And so it was like this really special way. And then one day the Ouija board was acting really bizarre, but it was like kind of like, I think I'm talking to my grandma, but maybe she's not coming through today. So she asked the board again, like, who am I talking to? And it spells out Zozo, which if you're playing with a Ouija board, Zozo is not something you want to hear. What is Zozo? I'm not a demon. Zozo is not here to help you. And so after that, it's like, well, the Ouija board, like I thought I was talking to grandma. I was actually probably talking to this demon the entire time. And now I've let all of that energy in and it's like a trickster spirit. It's telling you things. So who knows if that even was John or if it was someone else being like, I'm going to just ruin your family members' lives for the rest of the time that they're alive. I know. Like that picture was in there, but like we don't really know how it got in there. You know, who knows? Maybe John had a bit of a stalker in younger years, but why would he keep the picture? I don't know. I'm sure. I think I know why he had the fun. I mean, I can be sexy down lingerie. And lingerie says miss you on the end. I mean, on the other side, that is a wild one. It kind of reminds me of the last episode we did, which is all deathbed confessions. It is like an odd deathbed confession, but from deathbed confession. Oof. Yeah. I wonder if that was his unfinished business and that's the only thing keeping him. And now she's passed away. So he's stuck forever. I know. I wonder if now that she's passed, if he would be free because they're both maybe on that plane. Yeah. Unless she went up and he's stuck in the middle. If they ever try to contact him after that and if they can still get him to come through on the board. I would personally stop messing with it after that moment. I don't know. But maybe they've tried to contact him again and he's still coming through and he's stuck. You know, I get a little nervous because I'm like, oh my god, this session was so long, but hey, you're the expert. But he also did know the granddaughters like name that only he called her. So I'm going to be hopeful that it was actually John, then again, it's sad that he's stuck. Yeah. What would you have done? I would have left the pictures out. Yeah. Didn't have to come for me. I don't care the messenger, but I think, you know, she probably also like maybe she did know and she just never confronted her. That's kind of what I'm thinking. If that photo is still in the bedside table, it's it's opened. He passed away a long time ago, maybe she's already kind of been through that. I could see it. And has seen the photo and is like, whatever. What am I going to do now? Can't kill him twice. Maybe she knew when he was alive. I feel like a lot of people, like the partners, like this is the best kept secret they'll they never knew I did this and the wife is like I knew the entire time I just like it wasn't worth it because it's a time period to like bring something up but yeah so maybe she did know that's kind of I guess my hope is that she had made use with it a long time before I could see that I know like my grandma like I feel like that's kind of the same generation she put up with a lot of stuff that she knew about but just like my grandma too did it on a confront are like it's not worth it and this and that and I don't know so my grandma has probably 200 letters that she kept that she and my grandfather sent to each other during World War II and when she came to the end of her life she was like don't ever read those and then she died and so we have 200 letters and my family have you read them? Toil over them we haven't read them yet and everyone has a different opinion on like she's been dead for 15 years we could read the letters now and then other people that are like it doesn't expire if that's your dying wish it doesn't expire wait why do you guys keep them then instead of disposing because it feels weird to throw away letters from World War II of this like young married couple there's something to preserving that also it's our handwriting and just knowing that the letters were between my grandparents I think that's really sentimental yeah I'm a little bit I'm curious what people in the comments are going to say about this or like anyone watching I'm a little bit team read them I think usually it's history I love my grandparents so much and I know that they were very flawed people so I'm okay with like learning things about whatever you learn wouldn't totally ruin your image of them yes if it were my parents I'd probably leave it because I'm too close to them but if grandparents you have a little bit of distance you can kind of look at them as like historical artifact a little bit more yeah hopefully they keep them long enough that my kids can read them and then tell me what was in that I think that point there's enough distance you're the type of person though you're responsible historian type so I feel like you should be the one that safe keeps the letters I know because I also want to make sure that they're not deteriorating if there's ones that we want to frame and save like you know there's still a good enough shape that we can do that I'm sure there's a love letter or two yes I think they're all love letters okay most bad news I don't think it would be any bad news but honestly this this could be a movie too crazy you like don't know but yeah I know I think you need to read them yeah my my great grandma passed and she had a bunch of diaries and my whole family has passed them around like a monthly book club wow really yeah I learned anything crazy I think they learned a lot about her psyche and just like how strong of a woman she was like her husband was a flandering alcoholic wow and she really kept the family and the farm together I mean she had six kids and like just like was the glue and was a nurse and just like a saint of a woman like oh my gosh like the pastor at her funeral was like if anyone's going to have and it's going to be this lady yeah yeah yeah so she was really really strong and so they just got to see more of like what she actually put up with that no one knew I love that so they learned a lot so I'm team I'm team freedom yeah same but let us know guys I think you good I'm sure you could have some hot takes on that one if you liked this listener right in though I will say I did steal this from our father knows something vault because we do spooky episodes over there so there's going to be a father knows episode this year that spooky too but there's a couple from the previous years and they're insane which maybe I'll stick on the listener right and trend while I'm on it yeah yeah this next one in 2021 after a two and a half year battle with a rare and extremely fatal brain tumor one of my younger brothers Brandon male 15 passed away the day after Christmas at the time I female 23 was it first year veterinary student at the University of Minnesota co-golfers so while I normally would not have been home as I am an out of state student I was back for the holidays Brandon suffered a brain herniation and was suspected to be brain dead due to the massive amounts of damage that it caused however he could not be declared passed until certain tests were done as a result he had to remain on life support for three days while the doctors conducted these tests my parents did not leave Brandon's side for one second during this time because my house had essentially become a hospital due to the around the clock care Brandon required me and my remaining brothers male 24 and male 12 had to help load trucks and trucks just full of medical equipment to either toss donate or return to the insurance provider one of these nights I went into Brandon's room to look for any machines we might have missed before I even touched the machine or anything for that matter the TV turned on I froze blaring from the TV was a dolphins game and surprisingly they were winning to give some context the dolphins are my eldest brothers favorite team with Brandon being a fan of the cowboys with every hair standing up on my body I immediately look at the nearest outlet and hastily unplug every cord I see convincing myself I must have turned something on by mistake somehow despite desperately trying to rationalize myself through it I knew what was happening it was a sign from him I ran to my eldest brother sobbing and told him quote I think that was meant for you months later still learning how to grapple with my grief I made an appointment with a medium ever the skeptic I made a fake email address gave a fake name a fake birthday at a fake place of residency as this was over zoom I made sure I was in a room where he could not possibly pick up on anything while we were talking he immediately asked if I had two siblings I tentatively answered yes he then asked why he saw another younger specifically male energy around me and then followed that up with quote did you have another brother that passed away I couldn't believe it I immediately broke down and told him yes he told me things about Brandon and my life during that session that he could have never known however probably the craziest one of all is when he told me he would try to allow Brandon to speak through him he warned me that it might be only one or two words if that and there would be no promises immediately the medium told me quote I'm only getting one word dolphins does that mean anything to you yes the day that Brandon passed away his favorite player of all time Dak Prescott had the absolute game of his life he followed Brandon on Instagram through the make a wish foundation and they would talk here and there when my eldest brother message to him to tell him that Brandon had passed away he immediately said that it was no coincidence how he played that night I couldn't care less about American football but I root for Dak Prescott every single time I'm in my field I know holy smokes yeah I believe that so wholeheartedly sending signs as yeah especially from siblings I had a story we do listener tales pretty frequently like once a quarter probably yeah same thing all stories from listeners and I am shocked at how emotional some of them can be but this one girl reached out to me and she goes so something crazy happened my sister and I were always really close but she passed away when I was like 15 years old and before she had passed away she she made a joke that like if I ever die I'm going to come back as a black cat and so of course like the the listener she's always remembered that and like fast forward maybe 10 years her grandma is dying and her grandma similar situation like not responsive but is just laying in a bed in the family home and they're just kind of waiting for her life to end and so she like the listener goes out to get some air opens the door and all of a sudden this black cat runs in to the house oh my god jumps on the bed and sits there and no one had ever seen this cat before it was like not a cat from the neighborhood it was not their cat and it just sits on the bed and she was like what's crazy is I one of the last things I ever said to my grandmother was are you afraid to die and she goes no because I'm gonna see your sister and then the cat runs in runs out they never see the cat ever again and the grandma died like three days later what and it was just I still get like in my fields when I talk about that one because like coming to guide her and just make sure she was okay oh my gosh yeah I saw the craziest tiktok and I'm honestly having cried so hard watching a tiktok in quite some time and this girl was doing a gender reveal for her baby and she said like something on like the video where she was like my sister passed a couple of years ago and she keeps visiting us in the form of an eagle and in the video you see like the little like smoke can and thing go off and it hits blue and then you look to like the right in the video and there's a woman like standing on the top of the hill like overlooking a lake and all of a sudden you see this eagle just swoop down near this woman and wow it was her mom and they just keep thinking like this is their sister coming back as an eagle and then we're really set me off the comments it's always the comments on videos like that and someone comments and it was because in the video she goes denali denali and was like screaming denali at the eagle being like denali is that you talking to the eagle and in the top like comments someone was like wait your sister's name was denali the brother bear movie the brother comes back as an eagle, and his name was Denali. - I'm like, what the fuck? - Oh my gosh. - Why are you doing this to me, TikTok? I don't eat this today. - Whoa, I mean, I'm sure you're gonna get comments of people getting signs from people 'cause it's just so common. - I'm so glad that people can get these signs and just feel that sense of peace and closure. - Yeah. - I know visitation dreams are huge for people. - Teaching dreams are huge. And I also, I'm a firm believer that the signs don't have to happen immediately. I'll have some listeners reach out and be like, "Hey, I heard your episode where you were talking about signs people sent from beyond the grave. Like, my mom passed away. I've never gotten a sign from her. Do you think that means anything?" And I'm of the belief that at some point you will. When people die, they have a long list of people they have to get through of signs they have to go send. I promise you're on the list. Like, it just might take some time to get to you, but I feel like more times than not. Even if it's years and years later people got something. - Or they're just there, but they haven't needed to break through to give you a sign yet. - Yeah. - Like, you haven't had a day that's been so dark or you haven't been in a situation where you've needed that guardian angel yet. - Yes. - Which like, that's kind of another thing. Like, it could be coming. But also like, you don't want to need a guardian angel sign. Like, I remember a story we've done on a previous THT episode where someone was like, "A guardian angel saved my life." And they fell asleep in their home. And they were having issues. I don't remember why they were sleeping so soundly, but all of a sudden they heard a, "Get up!" in their ear like clear as day. - Yeah. - And like, their house was on fire. - You know what that's called? The Third Man. Have you heard of this? - No. - Yeah, it's like a, it's a very well documented phenomenon. It is one of the most common, we have a whole episode that's just called Third Man. Or like, Third Man stories, it's called Supernatural Survival. It's one of the most common stories I get from people where life or death situations, it's all, it's usually a life or death situation. A lot of car crashes. Someone will visit the person in that moment, where sometimes it's someone who says they're an EMT that no one else can see, but a lot of times it's someone they know who's already passed away like a grandfather. They even talk about it in the, I don't know if you watched the biggest loser documentary that just came out. - No. - In like the second episode, one of the women, in the first episode she runs too far and has some sort of heart condition and like passes out and dies for a moment. And she even says, I was on the helicopter and I know I died because I saw my grandfather and woke up in a hospital. But even she had someone come to her and it's just really common. - Wow. - We've gotten some crazy stories from listeners about like, I was in a car crash where my grandpa was in the passenger seat after I got hit and he told me exactly what to do to stop the bleeding and then I survived. And yeah, they'll tell the EMTs too like, oh, there was like someone showed up and told me what to do to stop the bleeding and the EMTs are like, oh, that person was probably a ghost. Like that happens had a lot of these scenes like when someone's been hurt as badly as you have. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - I remember seeing something along these lines of like, did you ever watch the movie with Ashton Kutcher and Kevin Costner, the Guardian? - No. - It's a movie about like the Coast Guard? - No. Oh, I know which one you're talking about, but I haven't seen it. Oh my God, it's so good. - Okay, I'll add it to my list. - It's really good. I mean, the two of them, they're chemistry. They're just, they're good. But at the end, they like, because it's loosely based on a true story I think, but at the end, they just talk about like the Coast Guard and like how there's like stories about these people getting like capsized or whatever. They need to be rescued in the water and they say that someone like sits with them for hours and then they're always like, what about the other guy? They were with me, they were with me and it's like, yep, no one else was there with you. - I'd fully believe that. I hear so many stories like that. - Especially stuff from the ocean. The ocean is like one of those places that like, maybe we need to do an ocean episode someday because the ocean is insane. - There's so many stories. - Lakes, the Great Lakes. - Water. - Yeah, yeah, just in general, there's so much, like there's a lot of spooky stuff going on and bodies of water, but I totally believe that about the Coast Guard that there's like, another guy there. I think that's why it's slowly called the Guardian. It's all making sense now. - Yeah, yeah, wow. My gosh. Okay, moving along to this next one, we're getting into a phenomenon. I'm really excited to talk with you about. And I have a story for your episode we're doing, for your show. - Oh yeah, yeah. - That kind of has this similar thing, like time slip, alternate reality. So I'm really curious. You guys might remember the story I'm hinting at. It's in, I think the very first spooky episode we ever did, it came from a listener who's a paranormal investigator. And I actually just had him email me a couple more stories. - Oh my gosh. - I'm sure, if he's seen so much. - I just got one back and it was actually like, I'll tell you about it, I'll spoil it for you, but no spoilers for you guys. And it's one of the best stories I think I've ever gotten. - Wow. - It's really good. - But this one is up there too. - Okay. - This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Life is all about choices. 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Hi y'all, I'm watching the most recent podcast and heard y'all were looking for some spooky ghost stories. And I've got one that still creeps me out to this day. Sorry in advance for the long post, but I wanna get all the details in, LOL. Now just a preface, the story happened a few years ago when I was still in high school. I grew up in a small town, so it was often hard for us young angsty teens to find things to do. Me, now 21 female, and my best friend, also 21 female, are usual Friday night consisted of driving around aimlessly trying to find something to do. This night, it was me, my best friend, who I'll call Cindy, Cindy's boyfriend, Aaron, and Aaron's best friend, Zach. Now on to the story. We were doing our usual routine of driving around the nearby big city when Aaron decided to call up his other friend who lived nearby. Now this friend I'd never met before, but Aaron said he lived in this small mountain town close to where we were driving. I'd never heard of this town, but it is known for its history in being an old copper mining town. The friend didn't answer, but we decided to drive up that way anyways as the friend had a cool car, Aaron and Zach wanted to look at. Big car guys. We start driving up there and mind you, it's close to 2am at this point. We had driven on dark roads throughout this entire night and the vibes were all good. We're driving on this dark barren road when we pass under a bridge. Immediately, I become overwhelmed by this eerie feeling, something just felt off. I thought it was just me experiencing this as everyone else was talking and joking about, so I brushed it off. By the time we get up to the town, Cindy was passed out in the passenger seat. I was sat behind Cindy and Zach was sat behind Aaron who was driving. The second we start to see houses, we all collectively agree that something about this town was just off. The streets looked impeccably clean and polished. The sidewalks all completely smooth as if the concrete had just been laid. It had made an off-hand comment about how it felt like we were transported to another time. The boys in the car collectively agreed with me. All of us acknowledging how it felt like we had passed through a portal straight to the 1930s. We continued on the drive, making jokes in an attempt to lighten the strange atmosphere we had stumbled upon. At this point, I chalked it up to the dark night and the fact that the whole town was likely asleep. Then we see the park. Now here's the thing about this park. It wasn't a full-on park. Literally just a plot of grass with huge, I mean, huge ass trees. The road allowed you to loop completely around the park, and it was absolutely empty when we first arrived. Aaron makes a comment about the park, saying he had taken pictures of his car and it before. Then he decides to drive around the park and show us where the photos were taken. As we begin the loop around this park, I feel this creepy feeling begin to intensify. The best way to describe it is it was like a heavy weight pushing down on the air in the car. At this point, it's close to summer, so all the windows are down as we're cruising along. Once we get close to the end of the loop, I spot a couple of deer outside my window. This was the first and only sign of life we saw, the entire time we were there. No people, no other animals, no cars, just three deer. Aaron pulls over so we can get a better look at them and then decides to call his friend again to see if he would answer. At this point, I'm watching this deer and trying to distract myself from this seemingly unwarranted anxiety I was feeling. While Aaron was on the phone, Cindy was still passed out and Zach is staring out his open window, which faced the park. Not long into us being parked here, does Zack start to yell and frantically try to roll up his window? Both Erin and I were shocked by Zack's sudden screaming and both go look at whatever had freaked Zack out so much. When I look out Zack's window, I saw something that I still cannot explain to this day. There, sitting beside one of the large trees, was a pure white figure. No white it looked like it was glowing. I got a pretty good glimpse at this figure and it almost seemed blurry, but you could clearly make out the shape of a hooded person. It appeared to be kneeling with its head bowed, almost like it was praying. At this point, Zack is screaming for Erin to get us the fuck out of there. All I could do was freeze and fear and stare at this figure, sat alone in the park. Erin, after getting a good look at the figure himself, proceeds to kick the car in a drive and high-tail it out of there. This all happened in probably a matter of seconds, but everything seemed to move so slow. I remember so vividly how my heart was pounding and how paralyzing the atmosphere felt. I almost remember telling myself to not look back at whatever the hell the thing was and just focus at the headrest in front of me. The car right out of town was completely silent and we only began to discuss what we had seen as we descended down the mountain. Just as we passed, under the aforementioned bridge, it felt like reality snapped back into place. The atmosphere lightened and the world looked back to normal. At this point, we were all freaking out about what happened and I was surprised to find that the boys also felt this snap. The best way we could summarize it, it was like waking up from a dream. At this point, Cindy finally wakes up after sleeping through the whole ordeal and we begin to tell her the story. I normally would have summed this up to us being tired and it being dark, but what really cemented what I saw was the fact that both of the boys saw the exact same thing. We all described the exact same hooded figure nailing with its head bowed. I was the type of person who have asked, I would have said, I didn't particularly believe in ghosts. I liked the idea of ghosts and the spooky ambience the subject brings, but I didn't believe in the slightest. I'm a pretty rational person with very science-based beliefs. After this experience, I would say I do believe that the supernatural is possible. I'm still unaware of what I saw that day and I don't think I'll ever truly know what I can say is that since that day, I feel almost a heightened sense when it comes to anything paranormal, especially considering I 100% believe that the house I currently live in is haunted. But that's a story for another time, LOL. However, one thing I truly will never forget about this experience is how when I looked at that figure a cold fear I'd never experienced before washed over me completely. I often think about how peaceful the figure seemed and despite that fact, something in my gut told me to get the fuck away from it. That fact alone creeps me out still as I'm writing this. It almost felt like it was trying to put up this facade of innocence to lure us in. I have a good intuition and no one to trust my gut and I'm glad I did that day because who knows what that thing was capable of. Once I was home, I began doing some research on the town in some attempt to decipher what I'd seen. While looking back at old black and white photos of the town, I realized how on that night, it looked exactly like those photos. I was pretty creeped out and haven't done more research into it until making this post. For anyone curious as to what town I'm talking about and wanting to do some research yourself, it's Copperten, Utah. I'll link the website with the photos I saw at the top of this post. If anyone finds anything of interest, please do share. Whoa. I know. Here's the picture of the town that they share. I want to see what it looks like. It's already old mining towns are so spooky. Oh. It's very like granted, this is an old picture right when the town was made. It's pretty cute. It's cute. It looks very liminal. It looks like a liminal space a little bit. That's a big word for me. You've definitely seen pictures of like liminal suburbia where all the houses look the same. It almost looks like a fake town. Like did you ever see Don't worry darling. Okay. Yeah. That is kind of like liminal suburbia where you can see the mountains in the back, but it looks like the town is fake like almost like all the houses would be empty. It's so crazy. I, when I first saw this post on our sub-reddit, I actually commented and I was like, "Did you see any cars in the driveway?" Like, if you went back in time, like, my first thought was like, "Would you see any old cars in the driveway?" Right. Yeah. And OP said that they didn't notice any cars. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Damn. I know because I would be curious if this was some sort of time slip. My first instinct was the back rooms. I know that that's-- Yeah. What is that? Creepypasta about liminal spaces. Okay. Everyone is probably seeing the office space. It's very severance, the first level of the back rooms. But the idea of the background is like, you could at any point during your day accidentally slip into this liminal space that kind of feels like an alternate dimension. It feels like you're the only person there and the lights are just wrong enough. And the walls look weird enough that it just doesn't feel like you're in our reality. Oh my God. So the idea that they drove under this bridge and that was some sort of portal or something into this neighborhood that just didn't feel right and it felt abandoned. It felt like they were the only ones there. And also in back rooms lore, there's always an entity. There's always some sort of entity on each floor. And so it's almost like this white glowing figure was the entity in this level of the back rooms. I have never heard about this back rooms before. I loved the back room so much. I did a whole episode on-- I did an episode of times that people have accidentally wound up in liminal spaces and gotten trapped. And it was really spooky. Like there was this one woman who she remembers being on a flight in Canada, this happened up in Canada. She's on a flight and she-- the drink service starts. She puts her head on the window, falls asleep, she wakes up. Plane is pitch black. There's no other people on the plane. The pilot is gone. What? She looks out of the window. She realizes that the plane had landed and moved into the-- like everyone left and moved into the storage unit that holds the plane at night. And she had been sleeping and no one thought to wake her up and get her off the plane. So she was trapped on this plane. I'm no, no, no. Like she actually-- This is real. Yeah, it was-- They forgot to get her. I forget the airline that it happened on, but she sued the airline. No one woke her up and they forgot to get her. She stuck on this plane. And a plane-- you can't just open the door and get off. You're high up. So she had to figure out-- and if you've never opened one of those doors, it's actually really hard to open one of the doors. And it was pitch black at night, too, and it's not like-- yeah, you don't-- just open the door. You have to crank the whole thing open and even then you can't just really jump down. No, it's big. She was able to get rescued, but the whole episode is about times that that has happened to people where people wake up after surgery and are the only person because they're on the abandoned floor of the hospital and they don't know how they got there. This is my nightmare. People walk into the stairwell of a mall and can't get out because they get lost. It's just there's so many spaces like that in our world. It's reminding me of Denver Airport. And I don't remember. I saw a video on TikTok of like a guy who was like, I'm in Denver Airport and I'm trying to get to my next gate and I've been walking for miles and I'm not going anywhere. I'm literally-- I'm trapped in this airport. I don't even know how to get back. It's like the woods in the Blair Witch Project. You're like, I keep walking past the same gate and I'm not getting anywhere. Yes. It is very much that. That would really bother me. I have a really hard time on planes, like really, really hard time. I'm scared of flying. I'm actually-- I'm going to test out beta blockers, but I have to test it out before my wedding because I want to take a beta blocker on my wedding day so I don't cry as much. Maybe this might be the same thing. For the photos. I just don't want to be up there trying to give vows and I'm just like-- Yeah. I have a hard time with some of these reddit stories, but like that I can edit out and like me and Lauren will be crying like for a minute straight, but we can edit it out. Of course. You can't do that when you're up there. No. No. I mean, it's mostly just because like you feel that craziness in your heart, so-- Yeah, definitely. I got some beta blockers, but I'm like, I need to test it out before the wedding. But now that I'm saying this out loud-- Are beta blockers-- are they the ones that you take like in the emergency or do you have to take them every day for them to work? No, you usually just take them before big things. Like I know a lot of like stand up comedians will take them before live shows to keep their heart rate down. I think that's what I take on planes then. Okay. So maybe a plane is a good place to try it. So what I did because I was also kind of scared to take them first because I have anxiety that's really bad and then I also have anxiety about taking things. So I like get the medicine and then I'm like, what if it makes me panic more? We are the same with our fear of planes and-- I know. A hypochondria? Hypochondria? Hypochondria? Yeah. Hypochondria. I think it's hypochondria. But how do you say that as an ism? I don't think you have to. Do you have to add ism? No. Probably not. Or both of our hypochondria. We're both hypochondriacs. What I did was I took one the night before the flight while I was just packing just to be like, test it out. Do it-- does my airway close up like do I-- Do I panic? Do I see the hat man? I think that happened. I mean, the answer was no. So I took one on my flight the next day. Was it good? It's really good. I understand now where they only give you eight pills. I feel better. serving or like one prescription 'cause like it's really good. - Okay, but it did make a huge difference. Like you normally during takeoff, I am white not going my seat. - Oh yeah. - Takeoff and landing. - And it was like I didn't even remember takeoff, not in like oh, so much, I didn't remember. I just like was not focused on the fact that the plane was leaving the ground at all. I was like on my phone or listening to something, and it was great. I think it'll help you a lot. - I think I need to try it because, and this is kind of like a paranormal weird thing. Like when I'm flying, I have final destination type dreams. So in my dreams, I will be sitting on the plane, I'm the window seat and I'll fall asleep and I'll put my head up against the window. And then all of a sudden in my dream, like the bells start chiming on the plane and like all of a sudden I look out the window and like the wing snaps off and the plane is spiraling down. - Oh my gosh. - Sometimes I wake up as we crash, but then there was one time I survived through the crash and I remember I was like towards the back of the plane and like I was like crawling out through the window but like I could feel my skin charred and I felt like the smoke in my lungs in my dream. And then I snap back and I'm awake alive on a plane. - Oh my god. So I'm like, that's really scary. - Let's go. - That is pure anxiety, you know? - That's really bad. - But to me that feels like a weird alternate universe time slip thing on a plane. Like, because it feels so real. - It feels so real. - And you're like, okay, so either I am a prophet chosen by God to see the future or I just have really bad anxiety. - That's what's making me dream this. And every single time I'm like, no, I am seeing the future. This is going to happen. But that's the anxiety speaking. And so like the meds help with that at least. - It's so, I'm like genuinely, I don't know what it is about a plane. And then the other day. - Because we don't understand how they work. And it's like, it is a very unnatural thing for humans to do. And I have to do it so much unfortunately. Like I just, I wish I could take a wagon. - I know and it's like, I thought with how much that I fly, it's like exposure therapy and I would one day and it's, no, not at all, it does not help. The more I fly, it does not make me feel less anxious. It's just the weirdest thing. - It's so bad. What do you think the figure, back to the story? What do you think the figure was? - I don't know, I was trying to figure that out because it sounds like it, what did they say? It was so white, it almost. It looked like it was glowing but it wasn't necessarily glowing and it was kind of blurry. I don't know, it felt like kind of ghosty, kind of like an omen. The fact that it kneeled down and started praying was also very strange. It reminds me a little bit of like, almost a movie, The Ritual, where there's like maybe something in, like you say that thing. - Oh, it's horrible. Like in the best way, it's one of my favorite horror movies, but it is very, very scary. But the idea that that thing came out and it bowed down, it's actually worshiping the scarier thing that's in the woods that you just haven't seen yet. Like this is just a foot soldier for the really horrifying thing that lives there. So I don't know. - Yeah, at first I was like, maybe, I think I said like when I first read it, it was giving me like grim reaper, like a different version of the grim reaper. - Yeah, 'cause you were telling me before too, sometimes people see the grim reaper as a white figure, not a hooded black figure. - Yeah, there's actually a couple reddit posts I've seen on it and I probably looked this up on the original time I read it. - That's really scary. See that to me is final destination stuff. If you saw the grim reaper and you escaped alive, is death just coming for you in other ways now? - Yeah, like there's this one from our slash ghost, saw a grim reaper white cloaked man at bedside. Several weeks ago, I was awoken to a man in a grim reaper cloak face covered, standing at my husband's side of the bed, sort of looking at his nightstand and at him. In no way was I dreaming. I was terrified, paralyzed with fear, tend to be asleep. As I did, I cracked my eyes to see again and he was gone. - Did they write any follow up? Like did their husband die? - Oh, that's so scary. Isn't that too free-doubt? - Um, grim reaper in a white robe. It's another post on paranormal encounters. - Wow. - It was a grim reaper as a kid. It was a white hooded figure in a doorway. So I feel like a lot of people actually see the grim reaper white. - Which is interesting. I guess there's a lot of white, light associated with death. - So into the light. - Going to the light. - Yeah, yeah. - Do you see the light? - Heaven is a lot of like angels and white. So it wouldn't surprise me that's like other beings that they're seeing from beyond the veil are also cloaked and white, maybe. - Yeah, well, I'm like the grim reaper. I'm so curious where the origin stories of the grim reaper came from. 'Cause you see it in like all of these movies. There's always like someone that's like a guide to like be the bridge or whatever. And someone like was the grim reaper, why did he get such like a negative like association with like dark and the sickle and like a hooded figure and scary grim reaper? - Yeah. - Okay, death is scary, but like who's to say the grim reaper isn't like a happy little glowing white man who is like your little bridge? Your buddy as he drives you up. - Yeah, I mean, sends you down. - I guess it would depend on the time period that the origin comes from, right? Because the idea of like dying peacefully as an old person is such a luxury that we have today in our society. Back in the day. - Okay, that's true. - You were dying of horrible illnesses and infections and your village being pillaged in the middle of the night. And other war things like it was a lot more grizzly and they were just like throwing the bodies in these mass graves and stuff. So yeah, this like peaceful death thing that we get to experience now is. - It really is? - Yeah, death wasn't always looked at as like, "Oh, he's taking you over the rainbow bridge." (laughing) - Okay, you weren't, see this is why you have smart people on your show. - I mean, that's just my guess. I actually, I should have like looked into the origin of that at some point, but that would be my guess. - This is a new heart starts pounding episode sometime soon. Grim Reaper originated in 14th century Europe as a personification of death during the black death pandemic. - That makes sense. - The six, I said it right the first time, didn't I? The sickle? - Sick? - Yes, sickle. - What's the? - Scyth. - Scyth. - Scyth. - Scyth symbolizes reaping souls like wheat. - There you go. - There's so many of them. - There's so many of them at the time. That was a really grizzly way to die too, so. - Black death pandemic. - Yeah, people just in the streets screaming the whole way. Yeah, it was not a fun time. I would know I was there. - No. - Reincarnated. Ooh. Okay, well, no, let's move on to the next one here. - I'm really beautiful, happy note. (laughing) - So, yeah, death. We all do it eventually. So let's talk about a funeral home experience. Ooh. This is coming from our slash paranormal, 21 hours, old, titled Weird Funeral Home Experience. I work for a cleaning company and we do mostly residential homes, but we have a few buildings we take care of as well. We clean for this local family chain of funeral homes weekly, and one of the buildings is a lot stranger than the other. I get the weirdest feeling whenever I enter this building and I constantly feel like I have to look behind me because it feels like I'm being watched. The workers here are super friendly and they are always just in their office. They've never once hovered in the nearly four years I've worked here. One day, I cleaned all the areas that are for the grieving, bathrooms, kitchen, casket, display room, and I had moved to the back where the staff bathroom, flower delivery room, and kitchen area were. Back in this area, there's also the entrance to their mortuary. It is not uncommon for them to have caskets out, ready to be wheeled into a display room if there is a funeral starting shortly after I'm supposed to leave. When I was cleaning the bathroom, I had my back to the door while cleaning the front outside of the toilet and I get a weird sense I'm being watched. So I turn around and I see a man looking at me. After a few seconds, he walks away. So I jump up and look out the door down the long hallway. He wasn't there. The weird part about this is that he wasn't a worker as I have seen and met all of their staff and he wasn't in uniform. He also wasn't a flower delivery man because there were no flowers in the delivery room. He couldn't have been a funeral guest because they had no funerals or appointments that day. He made me so scared I haven't been alone in there since. There are other instances where workers have been freaked out there too. One coworker said she was vacuuming the long hallway in the back where they have the rack for jackets and they just started swaying at random and not gently swaying. The other weird thing about this is that the other building doesn't have this feeling or any weird stories like this and we've had a contract with this company for a long time. The other building is almost light feeling. Like I haven't looked over my shoulder once while there. Anyways, this happened to me a while ago but I still think about it. It was so strange and after going through this subreddit, I felt like I needed to share. - Whoa. I've always wanted to do an episode on scary funeral home stories. - Oh my gosh. - It's hard to get stories specifically from funeral homes, ghost stories. Do we have any out there that listen that our directors are working at a funeral home? - I would be so curious, because-- - I feel like we gotta have one. - There's definitely, there has to be. So I wanna have one. - We gotta have one at a funeral home or a funeral director. - Yeah. - Where the explanation I've gotten sometimes is that a funeral home is where the vessel of the body sits in kind of this intermediary period. The person has already died, the spirit is already left. The body's in the funeral home and then it gets buried. So the idea that ghosts hang out in funeral homes is not really as much of a thing versus like hospitals where the person died or at the person's home or like the places that the person had ties to. It's like your, your body's at the funeral home for like three days and then it's gone. - Yeah. - So I would be so curious, like who the man was, was his body downstairs? Was it someone who worked there or like had some sort of tie to this funeral home? But yeah, most funeral directors are like, no, we haven't had any like scary experiences here which is fascinating to me. 'Cause you know what they're saying? - That's so surprising. - Yeah. - For me, that's surprising. 'Cause I'm like, if I was stuck in this liminal space, I'm walking around, I can see everyone, but I'm out of my body. I'd be trying to go put myself back in my body. Like I'd be trying to, like where's my body? So like I feel like if you are stuck, maybe you have to be stuck in the place you died. But I feel like for me, I'd wanna go like, make sure my shell gets put in the ground the way I want. - Go try to find it. - Yeah. - Yeah, like some people wake up in there. Like I don't know, like something about funeral homes, like really like in the fridge, they wake up, they yeah. So I'm like, I don't know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I told you this story about the scary story I ever got from someone who works inside of a funeral home. This actually I think was on an episode of Radio Rental, but this woman, I don't think she was a funeral director. She worked at a funeral home or some sort of, it was a funeral home that also had a crematorium. They also disposed her bodies that way there. This woman comes and she has her husband's body. And she's like, he died. We have to do a really rushed cremation job because like in my religion, he like people have to be cremated really fast within 24 hours. And the person's like, who works at the funeral home is like, okay, like totally wanna respect your wishes. Let's figure it out, whatever they figured out. Wife leaves. And she's prepping the body. And she's like, this person's like really warm for being recently deceased. - What? - And just had this feeling of like, it wasn't as warm as a normal body, but it wasn't as cold as a dead body. So she kind of like starts freaking out about it. Eventually they do cremate this man. - No. - No one ever came to pick up the ashes. - Yeah, because she killed them. - Yeah. They could not get ahold of the wife after that. - How did she get him there? Did she just like drive this body in her own personal car? - Yeah, I wonder, or I guess I don't know if, right, 'cause hospitals don't have to arrange the stuff with funeral homes because people die at home and then they just go to the funeral home. - You know, so you can self-arrange. - Yeah, you can just self-arrange. She must've just self-arranged. She was like, yeah, someone died. I guess I was able to get it down certificate or something. I don't know, but the person that worked at the funeral home was like, I still think about this all the time. This case, this will haunt me forever. - That would haunt me. - Yeah. - I'm telling you all right now. I want Jewish style. Three days, okay. Woodbox, no metal. I want to go back to the earth. But just give me a bell, okay? Just in case. - Just in case. - Just in case. Like give me a bell because I swear to God, if I get put in a box and then I have to like suffocate down there or just give me a bell. Just give me a little bell. - That's fine. - Those are the scariest stories to me. There's this recaleta cemetery in Argentina where there's a tomb of this 15 year old girl she died in like 1904 sometime around then. And she gets buried in her tomb. And that night, the guy who works at the cemetery, the funeral, the grounds keeper of the cemetery, oh, they're all above ground tombs, kind of like how you say in New Orleans. - Oh, like crepes or whatever. - Yeah, crepes. So, he mausoleums, he starts hearing banging, coming from her tomb. And he's like, that's weird. Sometimes I hear ghosty things, so I'm not going to think too much of it. But her aunt comes. And he's like, hey, I just thought you should know like the other night I did hear some banging coming from her tomb. I don't know what that was. I don't know if someone was trying to rob the tomb. You might just want to check because she was from a wealthy family. And so the aunt pays to have her tomb opened and inside of her coffin are just ratch marks everywhere. And she was like, face down. So she had flipped herself over. Scratch marks everywhere. She had definitely tried to get out. - She didn't make it out. - What the fuck? - It was a thing. It came out afterwards that her mom had been pursuing, 'cause she was 15 years old, but she was set to be married to this older politician in town. And the mom was maybe pursuing him. She also had this condition where she would faint. So they think that the mom kind of took advantage of the fact that she fainted with her and was able to kind of very quickly have this funeral and get her buried. And she's definitely not dead. - That guy could have saved her. - He could have saved her. I know the grounds keeper. If he just ran in there, but so scary, so scary. - Yeah, maybe we need to start bringing bells back. - Yeah, we just start bringing bells back. Or like, burying with an iPhone that's got a charge for at least a week. - Like the emergency button. - You get an iPhone, yeah. With just some sort of emergency button. - Send me down with something, guys. I'm telling you right now. Like, send me down with something. What? - I know. - How long ago was this? I mean, it was early 1900. So it was 120 years ago. But, it doesn't really happen as much these days 'cause we have ways to, yeah, exactly. Hospitals that check your blood pressure and make sure you're actually dead. But, I guess if you just died home and your family just arranges really quickly for you to be buried, it can still happen. - I know, because like, how does that work? I really hope we have some funeral directors that can chime in on this. Because if you just died home, like if I died in my sleep, like, would they have to do an autopsy? They don't have to? - No, you have to have one ordered. You don't have to do an autopsy. - Even if I'm just healthy 31, you're old and I died? - No, my uncle just died, he wasn't that old. And they had to order, specifically order an autopsy. 'Cause you could just be like, yeah, don't worry about it. Like, we'll just, that seems really fishy. - Yeah. - I know, actually, this is a really interesting thing here in the state of California. So there was a cast member on this season of survivor named Joe. And so Joe really talks about on the season, like losing his sister and how he's like made a big push for domestic violence laws in the state of California. And so like, I looked more into it. And his sister was in a really, really bad relationship. According to like one article I saw was like attempting to leave, but then died. And Joe thinks it's like very mysterious circumstances surrounding her death. - Yeah. - And because she was still married to the partner who was not great at the time, he had control over everything that happened afterwards. So he did not order an autopsy. - Yeah. - And so Joe has been really pushing where in cases where domestic abuse and violence has been documented, if that person dies, an autopsy is mandatory. Like he's, I don't know if it's gone through yet, but he was really pushing for that. - That's so great that he's doing that. - I know because he's like my sister, my sister wouldn't do that. Like what happened, like so he's really trying to get justice for her. And I think even afterwards like the guy moved on quick and was seeing someone else or just some, there's a bunch of weird stuff with it. - It's so weird. Yeah, there was just, there was a case of the dentist and Colorado who poisoned his wife. - In the smoothies, right? - In the smoothies and she died. They couldn't figure out why and he was like no autopsy. What? Just demanded that they didn't do an autopsy. And luckily for the whole situation, he was dumb enough to have the cyanide sent to his office. So the office manager got the package and was like, this is kind of weird. Googleed cyanide 'cause she didn't know what it was. And the first things that pop up were all the symptoms that his wife was having. So she was like, I feel like I should call someone about this called the hospital. That's how they figured it out. But just crazy. - There's been a lot of poisoning cases like that recently. - Yeah. - There was another one that someone commented to us and told us to look into and it was another guy who had like poisoned his wife with something used for hunting. - Oh really? - Oh, forget what it was. - Like, yeah, what would that even be? - I don't know, we're gonna have to find out. But like, there's been a lot of poisoning cases recently. - There was a big high profile one in Australia, the mushroom poisoning case. - Yeah, mom has her husband's whole family over invited the husband, but he didn't show up. Serves them, death cat mushrooms and a beef Wellington. They all, two of them died, two of them survived. There was four people there, I believe. And the police asked her like, hey, so those mushrooms you served were death caps. They weren't like food safe mushrooms. Where did you get them? And she goes, oh, the Asian store. Mind you. - She just thought if she said that, no one would question it. Like, oh, yeah, the Asian store is always selling death cat mushrooms. First of all, there was no Asian store that she bought them from, she just like totally made that up. I can't remember exactly where she sourced them from. Like, all the stuff is coming out on the case now because she was just sentenced. - Oh my God. But then there was another one in Brazil where this woman put arsenic in a cake and fed it to her husband's entire extended family. - Wait, you have an episode on that one, don't you? talk about it. So I have, I have a whole episode from it was our, we did it in February of this year. I feel like I listened to one. Maybe it was like a mailbag mailbag episode you did. I gave an update on it because I covered the Colorado dentist poisoning case and then at the end, I talked about this Brazil poisoning case and then in a mailbag episode, the day I put that episode out, the woman who did it took her own life in prison. So I gave and then a lot more information came out. So I gave a little update about the case and like the mailbag episode, but that one was crazy because the, the family will never see justice because the mom who did it just like took her own life. So it's just horrible. Horsening is insane. She was at her own 10-year-old son. She just didn't care. She just want to get back at her husband. And this is why we have a true crime podcast. I know. I know. One note for you about the funeral home experience, the top comment on this one, former office administrator of a funeral home here. I heard a watery hello. Hello. Once when I was there, sitting at my desk all by myself one dead Sunday afternoon. I can't visit the area. No one was there. Oh my gosh. Horsening.com. If you were going to funeral home, I have a forum. Send me your stories. I'll compile them all for an episode. This is someone out. You should message them on on Reddit. Their username is blazing and trails. Okay. I'll find blazing and trails. I don't love it. That sounds like a like slang for some really horrible illness. Yep. Yeah. Nope. Not loving it. But okay. Moving on to this next one. Okay. So this is coming from our slash paranormal five days old titled, what was your paranormal experience that turned you into a hardcore believer? I'm an unbeliever and I've yet to experience anything paranormal. No matter what people say, I still have a hard time in believing in the paranormal. Yet I'm curious about people's stories. I think a part of me wants to believe and wants to have an experience. But sadly, I don't think there's a way or place to have a guaranteed encounter. And then this is the top comment so far. This is a long read, so bear with me. I used to work nights at a group home for people with mental impairments and illnesses. We had a guy. Let's call him Ray. Ray stopped participating in reality after his parents were murdered in front of him. The dude was legitimately bonkers. He exclusively drank toilet water because he thought the tap water and bottled water was poisoned. I tried to explain toilet water was tap water, but no dice. I also tried to at least get him to drink the tank water. No luck there either. Occasionally, Ray would start screaming in his room like stop and shut up or leave me alone, which was accompanied by loud banging on the walls. This mainly occurred at night. We assumed he was throwing stuff at the voices in his head since his belongings were often scattered. This isn't very uncommon with people suffering from severe schizophrenia. The only evidence of the contrary was we almost always found him in bed and his belongings were on his dresser on the other side of the room and one time he had a black eye. We assumed he got caught with a ricochet from throwing a baseball he had. He always denied he threw anything and seemed legitimately scared every time we came in a check on him. This wasn't what convinced me though. What convinced me of spirits or energy that could manipulate physical reality was I was lying on the couch watching TV at like 2.30am when all of a sudden the doorbell starts ringing like crazy. Think a stranger is getting chased down by Jason holding a knife and they are trying to get help type of doorbell ringing. It felt frantic almost. I get up and walk over. Mind you, the door is like 15 feet away and the door has a huge window built into it. The top half of the door is basically entirely window. As I'm walking over I don't see anyone. I assumed it was another staff so I opened the door to see if they left a note or something. Nothing. I go check out the front. No cars. I thought it was weird but whatever. I go inside and check if it was a resident. They were all asleep. I kind of brushed it off at this point but as soon as I walk back over to the couch and right as I'm about to sit down it starts up again. I'm fairly freaked out. I walk back over to the door and nothing again. I double check that the door is locked and go back. As soon as my butt hits the couch it starts again. I sprinted to the door and swung it open halfway expecting another staff to be crouched and laughing. No one was there. I started freaking out at this point because it would not have been possible to get away without seeing since the walkway to the door was enclosed between two walls of the house for about 20 feet. I only had to sprint 10 feet to the door and could see out the window within one foot. At this point I'm genuinely terrified. I closed the door. The second the door closed the bell starts going off again almost taunting me. I locked the deadbolt and ran from the door. This time the bell kept going for a long time. This further drove home the feeling of it taunting me. I turned the living room lights and TV off, kept the walkway light on so I could clearly see out the window. At around three the doorbell stopped and scratching in the walls and attic started. I spent all night huddled on that couch. I even took a ride up for not getting any nightly chores done. I wrote up a work order for maintenance to check for squirrels and check the electrical. They didn't find any evidence of squirrels and the doorbell circuit looked okay. That was the only time the doorbell ever acted up they said. I did occasionally hear more scratching in the walls on my shift. I doubt it was squirrels though since I don't think squirrels follow you around to scratch the walls near you. After that I was a lot less skeptical of ray. Wow that is so spooky hearing things in the walls. If I had stuff in the walls like you know you can hear I can just hear the scratching on like sheet rock or plaster in my head and as you're walking the scratching just follows you. Yeah I'd lose it. I'd crash out. Yeah I'd crash out big time. It's when they said so the first poster was like I don't know where to go to have like a guaranteed experience. It made me think of one place that I've researched Waverly Hill Sanitarium, have you heard of? No. Is this Sanatorium? Sanatorium? Okay. It's in Kentucky and it is this old tuberculosis hospital. It's always the TB hospitals. But it of all the places I've looked into it seems to be the most guaranteed to see something. Just everyone I know that's gone there, all of my listeners that have gone there, all the reviews, it seems like everyone sees something. Wow. You can buy tickets to go through their haunted house. Yeah they have a tour. You can go tour it. They have I think it's you can go for like an hour tour or you can pay to spend the entire night there and do like a real ghost call which sounds very spooky. But there's apparently on like the third floor there's a hallway and the tour guide just sends you down by yourself and that's the spot where everyone has experiences. Jesus. I do want to go, I'm gonna go at some point but I'm a little spooked to go. I see I want Justin to go because he really does want to have like an official experience. He's had some weird stuff at our house and this is where I get a little conflicted on the ghost being good or they're being something a little darker there. He woke up one night and like at the bottom of the bed saw like a really dark, scary, like he describes it like really well but like a dark figure and then he said he felt all of a sudden like both legs got yanked down of his legs got yanked out and he grabbed his legs. Yeah. Whoa. And he looked over at me and I'm still sleeping peacefully. So like I didn't feel it but like he felt he's like no like it was physical. I was awake and something yanked me down. And even then he doesn't feel like he's had a paranormal experience. No, which is what does he think that was? I don't know. I think he like in his head he's like well like maybe it was like a sleep paralysis thing but I was like one you've never had sleep paralysis ever in your life before and you moved. You got yanked down. Yeah. And you saw something but I know people can see so I'm like I don't know. I think he's trying to rationalize it. And he looked at you. Yeah. He was moving when I sleep paralysis. I'm fully and everyone I know that has sleep paralysis on my listeners was sleep paralysis. You're you're locked in paralyzed. You're not really looking at the person next to you or no because he like he said he sat up and then like looked over at me to make sure I was okay. Yeah. You're not doing that with sleep paralysis. I know. So he still is like no I want I want a real experience. And I'm like what? That was a real experience. Yeah. So I'm like Ida I feel like Ida is good but like I don't know I need to have some. There could be some professional in house too though. Yeah. Maybe have someone come and just feel it out. Do we have any professionals in the Los Angeles area that can come help me just come get a read on the place. Come get a walk through. Yeah. Come get a vibe. Yeah. Just to see because I do feel good energy. I've never felt the darkness but like him having that experience and then our camera kind of being weird lately. I don't know what's going on. It all started on the anniversary of the lady who passed her birthday. It was like the 30th anniversary. of her death. And that's when the energy started picking up. - Oh my gosh. - So. - Yeah, so I wonder if there's-- - I don't know what's happening. - I know 30's a big, big one. - And you always hear three, like 3 a.m. or whatever the witching hour is. - Yeah, yeah, three. So maybe you have something about the 30th anniversary. - Yeah. - Opened something. Did you guys, when did you find the bone in your backyard? - That was a different house. - Oh, it was, okay. - Yeah. - And I did have my animal experts 'cause I posted this bone I found in the dirt in my backyard on Instagram. And people were like, that's a cow. And I'm like, okay, cool. I don't have to call that FBI cool. - A scary ghost cow. - Dude, I thought I was gonna about to be like the rug, the rug tick-tock lady. - Oh, yeah. - Which I found a bug. - It's a bug that I like to call the FBI because there was human remains found on our Broadway. - No, no, no. - You don't want that to be you. - But I'd be curious to go here. Maybe I won't go down that hallway. - Yeah. - But honestly, it does look like just looking at the picture. It does give spooky. It's like very, honestly very, very big for a sanatorium. And just like-- - A lot of people had TV back in the day. So they had a lot of patients. - And it was kind of its own city, right? 'Cause they decided to keep all those patients away from people. So it really was built as its own city. So everyone that was there was sick. 'Cause the most part-- - Yeah. - And some people would actually recover. It was in a good area where the airflow was nice, and so some people would recover, but a lot of people died there. And there's pretty tunnels underneath. Truder Gothic architecture. Tunnels tunnels underneath. Yeah, because they would bring food and supplies up from the city or up from the surrounding towns up through these tunnels. But they would also, the story goes, send bodies from the morgue down the tunnels to the funeral homes. So-- - But you can go through the tunnels there. - Yeah, no, okay, so I'm looking at the ticket prices. Only 20 bucks if you wanna get in. - Wow! You can do an RIP for 60. - Oh my gosh, what does the RIP get you? - It doesn't really specify up here, but they have a paranormal tour. You can do a two hour tour in the dark, come walk all five floors, or you can do a public investigation yourself, which is six hours, or you can do a group of 10 private investigation. - Ooh, there we go. - I wonder if they supply you with the, I don't have any of the tech that people bring on those tours now. Lauren's got the radios and the dousing rods and all that stuff. I don't have any of that stuff. - I can reach out to my paranormal investigator see if he wants to join us. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah. - Would be good to do that way. I'm sure he is all of the gadgets. - Where is this Kentucky? - Yeah. - Kentucky, okay. - We can do a trip. - I know where my guy lives. He's somewhat close to that. - Okay. - This is insane. - Give him a date, meet him. - Oh my God, okay. Maybe not around Halloween because that feels like we'd open up some really serious energy. So he got to be careful. - You let me know when you're ready to go. - Yeah. - Ooh, but not around Halloween. - That'd be fun. - Okay, I like Kentucky. Kentucky's a good time. I don't know how I'm going to feel. - Really? - No, so that'll be a first good trip to Kentucky. - Okay. - There's a lot of paranormal stuff in Kentucky. I feel like, I guess it makes sense, right? It's south. - It was in the Civil War. - Yeah. - Very involved in the Civil War. - Yeah. - Yeah. Which, oh my gosh, my ghost guy. I feel like he did say his name on the story. He said his name was Jake. I can say his first name. Jake, he sent me some stories. And like one of them, actually, he did do an investigation at an old plantation. And it was really, really like the energy there. And like what he experienced was like really, really hard, really heavy. - I can only imagine. - I know, so I feel like you hear just a lot. And then, didn't you see our girl Annabelle in that plantation that burned down? - The Nodaway Plantation, yeah. - Didn't they see Annabelle in the window or something crazy? - Some people, yeah, some people on TikTok are like, "Look, she's in the window." - Annabelle, man. - Yeah, the story with that is Annabelle was on tour and she was in New Orleans and then the Nodaway Plantation, which is, it was the largest, still standing plantation of the Annabelle himself. And it was, yeah, Nodaway Plantation. Lots of bodies buried on the property. - Really? - You went on the website. This is always what killed me about this. You would go on the Nodaway Plantation and website. And it was like, Nodaway Resort. And there was Neri a mention. They had a whole page that I went on the website afterwards. They have a little tab on their website. This is history and it was great. I would love to learn some history in this place. The history included why six trees on the property had the names they had because they were named after the Nodaway family. And that was the only history they gave you on the whole place. - Who gives up? - Talk about the trees, talk about the actual history. - There were 155 enslaved people on the property and they never mentioned anything about that. So like, that's what's so weird to me about people having weddings at plantations. - And it was all, yes, the website was full of people's weddings and just all these photos of people. They would do tours, did not bring up the history of the enslaved people on the property at all. And enslaved people built the house. - Yeah. - And so really bad. - And it was just about, well, this guy, he had a lot of trees and yet, I forget exactly what it was that he was known for selling. He was like the biggest salesman of some sort of crop in the south. And so he was one of the richest men. That's what the whole tour is about. - Okay. - Lies, liar. - But it's all burned to the ground. I was a total loss. Our girl. - I'm gonna see if I can find the picture. - Annabelle in the window. - Yeah, people thought they saw a lot of different figures - I've seen things as the police was burning out. - Yeah. I saw a lot of like, and it honestly like with my own eyes, it did look like that. Maybe if I can find the video, I'll try to post it on our Instagram, but as it was burning like through the flames, you could see figures like walking through. - Yeah, I mean, fire is very cleansing. - Cleansing, but like releasing. Like, it releases a lot of energy just even to burn. And so I think a lot of people, if like a haunted location burns out, a lot of people think that like all the spirits are also released. - I've seen that. - A lot of that's why you can see the figures within the flames and stuff. - I'm gonna have to find these pictures. - Very scary. - And post them for you guys. It was, yeah, I remember it happening at the time, and like people really being excited about our girl, Annabelle. So, yeah, let me know if you saw it, 'cause if I can't find it, I'm gonna need you guys to drop the links. But okay, I've got one last, the personal share, and then some photos. - Oh, excellent. Okay, this last official story. Coming from our slash paranormal, four months old, it's titled Reddit. What's the creepiest, unexplainable thing you've experienced that still haunts you to this day? And then the person goes, "When I was 12, I used to hear someone whisper my name every night at exactly 3.11 AM. It wasn't sleep paralysis and I wasn't dreaming. It would wake me up from a deep sleep. One night, I decided to stay awake and wait. At 3.11, the door creaked open by itself, and a whisper said, "You're awake now." - No, whoa, ugh, chills. I never stayed in that room again. Your turn to share. This is coming from username, not a deer. At a tough childhood and bad associations with my childhood home, so I don't ever know what to think about this. Poltergeist, ghost. I slept with the lights on every single day. I do not remember a moment. I did not feel uneasy in that house. The least of it was stuff turning up missing and reappearing. I would find stuffed animals that had been gone for months, sitting on top of the clean laundry that I'd washed myself right on top to find. I would have finished books and then they'd up and disappear and I'd wake up with them on the floor by the front of my bed. Kitchen implements were famous around the house. The shears or the good knife would go missing and then reappear in the knife block at will. Forks would turn up on random end tables once I was looking for my glasses and when I turned around, they were right on the floor behind me. Hated that. There was a patch of grass in the yard that was very much the classic three foot by six foot grave looking area that no grass would ever grow no matter how well it was seated. We lived on the site of an old railroad and my father always said it must have been something industrial dumped or buried there, but the feeling of someone watching you was intense. The area around it had been landscaped so it was a perfect circle with the dead grass rectangle right in the middle. There was also always the sound of crunching gravel like someone walking up the path. It happened so often I quit thinking about it but now that I've moved out for years, it really is weird. You'd hear gravel crunching in a footstep type cadence and then the porch swing would creak like the wind was blowing it back and forth. It was metal and set on a metal stand. So a very distinctive rusty metal groaning kind of noise. Sometimes it would go for over an hour. Then it would just stop. Never anyone out there but the swing was always swaying even though it was under a covered porch near the house and protected from the wind. There was a mirror in my bedroom that my teenage boyfriend now has been hated. He made me cover it up with a blanket whenever he came over. It faced my bed and I'd always slept so easily in that room. One night I was asleep and I uncovered it. I saw the quickest flash of a woman in a wedding gown looking right through the mirror. The angle I saw her at made it so that she would have either been floating or hanging. I pissed my parents off by taking it off the wall. I was not messing with that ever again. When my now husband saw the mirror down, he said, "Did you see the lady writing this now? I feel a little ill." One last story, almost funny. It was just my now husband and I, teenagers, upstairs and doing things we shouldn't have. We heard a feminine voice. I assumed my mom, "Yell, not a deer. Rosie wants out." Rosie was our dog. We dressed so fast in the, "Oh, shit, my mom is going to kill you." Way of teenagers doing shit they shouldn't be. I booked it downstairs. My boyfriend stays upstairs. I assume trying to think of how to get out of this. Nobody was home. No cars, nothing turned on. My dog, cowering under the table, wouldn't come out. I call my mom and I can hear the sounds of her work going in the background. Needless to say, we did not go outside. Which I guess leads me to one last story that I forgot until now. That I just kind of put together. Our house was surrounded by a little grove of pine trees on all sides. My mom was absolutely stringent about shutting the windows at night. No blinds open. Flood light on if you're going to walk the dog. One day, she jokingly, but not said something. Oh, having seen something, hopping through the trees once. And that was that. It scared her so badly that she never opened the blinds at night again. I don't know what the hell it was that she saw. I never asked her to elaborate. Ooh. Nope. Mm-hmm. Did you see the lady? He, they 100% saw the same thing. Oh, yeah, 100%. When two people see the same thing and they don't share. And it's truly like, I saw what did you see? And you compare notes. That's when I know I'm like, that's real. Yeah, I agree. It's a hundred percent real. There's so many times where, yeah, it's like one person experiences something they convince themselves. I'm crazy. I didn't really see that. And then finally, they'll confess to their roommates and then everyone's like, oh, yeah, we've been seeing that too. We didn't think it was anything, but yeah. OK, we all need to talk to each other a little bit more with the paranormal stuff. OK, guys? They're even-- yeah, there was one story. I covered last Halloween where there was a group of guys in a frat house I want to say in Ohio. They all felt like something was off about the basement. But none of them ever said anything to each other. Oh, no, guys. And I think some of them were seeing this guy outside of the house that didn't look like he belonged there. It was weird. And then one of them kept having to go down into the basement. And he was like, I something's wrong, but I think I'm just scaring myself. There was fully a person living in the basement. Because it was basically a fraternity house. So many people were in and out that no one ever really noticed it. But there was in the basement, this locked room, basically off to the side, it was like a utility closet. And someone had been living in that utility closet for a while. And it was someone who was a little bit older than college age, because one of the guys admitted that they had seen him walking up the stairs, but thought it was just one of their friends once. But for sure, it was just this guy who was living in the basement. What the hell? That whole concept of someone being able to live in your walls or in a closet you don't know about or in your attic really, really freaks me out. Like any time I hear something that's bigger than a raccoon up on the roof, I like, I've sent Justin up into the crawlspace the attic before to be like, can you make sure? Like there's no one up there. Because it happens more. I even had a listener write in that was like a story just like that. That she had been dog sitting for someone and she kept coming home. And the furniture would be moved just a little bit. Same thing, she starts convincing herself she's crazy. Then she noticed that the wash would always be in the wrong. Like sometimes the dryer had moved back to the wash and moved back to the dryer. And she was like, someone is swapping out the laundry. She calls the police twice. Both times they tell her she's crazy. She ends up calling the cops one final time when she comes home. And the furniture has like four shore been moved. Like the table, coffee table was in front of the door. Everything couch was blocking the entryway to the bedroom hallway. Like the hell? The police come back. They go upstairs and they find that they had missed that there was a guy in her attic. Essentially there was a little drop down area where he was kind of sneaking back into. Oh my God. And yeah, he was a fugitive on the run who had been just taken up. He had some, this was also in Kentucky, funny enough. What is out of Kentucky? If you're a listener from Kentucky, are you okay? Are you guys going over there? He was called like the mull man or something like he had a nickname. Stop. They had all given him. And he even mentioned what they were dragging him out to. And he mentioned, he referenced a conversation. He heard the girl having with a friend 'cause she called a friend being like, I think I'm crazy, but there might be someone in the house and he referenced that conversation. Like, yeah, I heard you have that conversation. You were right the whole time. And then they hauled him off into the cop car. No. Mm, mm, mm. I hate it. So my home security stuff is so important. I know. But then you gotta make sure your ceiling mull man doesn't know the code. Well, but then you read a story like BTK where he worked for the company that installed all of the home security units. And then I know there's always something. It's like no matter. And then here's the thing with like the whole thing is like no matter how safe, like we can try to be. Sometimes like it just, it doesn't matter. Like it's just like people are going to truly be people and be crazy. And it is so incredibly rare for there to be another human being living in your house. Normally that is not what is happening. Okay, that makes me feel better. But I don't know what it is. Well, that's a great transition into this one because this person, something's going on in their house. This is coming from our slash paranormal. It's titled Freaking Out Right Now. What is this? I'm the only one home. I went outside to feed our chickens and looked up and saw this in the bathroom window. I took a picture and zoomed in, looked back up and nothing was there. Oof. So this is the first picture this person shares, okay? Okay, it's just a normal house. Three windows on the top, two on the bottom. And then when you zoom in on one of the windows, do you see that face? Oh my gosh. It looks like the nun from the movie. That's literally what I thought. It's someone with a powder white face and you can see the indents of the eyes, these black indents. It looks like a woman. Like maybe she has really dark stringy hair too. Yeah, dark hair. Ooh. Someone's in your house and then they post another picture, like sure enough, nothing in the window. Gone, gone. So I wouldn't go back in the house. I mean, speaking of someone living inside of your house. Who's in there? Yeah. No, but I'd be burning it down. Cleansing it. Cleansing it for sure. Cleansing it. Oh my gosh. Okay, so moving on to our next picture here. Well, the ones that pictures are always as scary as. I really, really messes me up. This is what I couldn't fall asleep over because then I'm just starting to like, I'm falling asleep and I'm just envisioning that woman's face like in front of my eyes. As I like open my eyes to wake up. So this is from our slash paranormal again. Titled, blood-colored footprints keep appearing on my garage ceiling. I've lived in this apartment for about a year. And every day there are new footprints on the wall that are a weird color. They seem to be the right shoe and no left one. But I swear up and down that they move around just about every other day. I've had my friends come and look and they agree that they do move around and then disappear. All of these pictures are from the same day and I will post an update in a couple of days to show the change since this is the first time I'm documenting the footprints. So here is one of the pictures. And these pictures, it's a shoe print. Where is this in the garage? The ceiling. It's on the ceiling? The ceiling. That looks like blood. And it's a boot print. It is a full boot print. It's blood-colored. Like fresh blood, too. Not dry blood. Blood. And it's only one shoe. It's only the right shoe. It's not both. Not both. And I mean, it's very clear. It's a ceiling. They posted it in Paranormal or Sash Paranormal. Because part of me-- Have you heard of a inter-kypec? No. So we're doing this for Halloween. We're doing the story of inter-kypec, which is one of the scariest unsolved mysteries of all time. It happened in Germany in the 1920s. But it's this family. They all live in this farmhouse in rural Germany in the 1920s. And they start noticing things like that. Like, dad goes outside one day, opens the door, and there's footprints in the snow coming from the woods towards the door that don't go back out. And he's like, oh, maybe the neighbor came over or whatever. Meanwhile, one of his housemates quits because she thinks the house is haunted, because she keeps hearing people walking around upstairs in the attic. She thinks it's a ghost. Other people hear someone in the house. The whole family gets murdered. One by one, it seems like they each one by one got lured into the barn. And we're killed with a hatchet. And they think that a person had been living in their house for possibly a month or so. And the family was like, oh, I guess we have ghosts. What's that? And just normal. Kind of like this person where you're like posting in the paranormal subreddit, is this a ghost? And really, it's someone with a bloody footprint walking around in your house. I mean, it's on the ceiling, which is kind of weird, but still, I know the fact that it's on the ceiling would weird me out even more. I know. And it's like, it literally looks like blood. So the top comment tells them to spray them with hydrogen peroxide. If it bubbles its blood, please record the experiment for posterity, posterity. Whoa. Interesting. Okay. So OP says I'll make sure to do this and post an update. If you go to OP's account looking for an update, they do have this comment. And they also posted this in R-slash unexplained, wondering how I could clean or test these weird boot prints for organic material. And they go, sorry for not providing an update. I know how unbelievable it sounds, but I moved out after a friend sprayed it with hydrogen peroxide and it had a very strong bubbly reaction. At the time of this post, I was in Florida for a bit for vacation, so I had a friend do the experiment for me. He never sent me a video, only did it on FaceTime. So I apologize for not being able to provide evidence. After further researching into Moro Ohio court documents, there's been multiple murders at or near my apartment. So I decided it wasn't worth living there anymore and moved in with family. I don't have any plans to visit or gather any of my belongings because I'm so freaked out. When I build up the courage to return, I'll post a video. Baby, you have to call the police because if there's blood in your vicinity and you don't know who it is, it could be part of a different crime scene. And the police need to know about that. What if someone else got murdered in that this person doesn't know, but a neighbor, something happens to a neighbor and he doesn't know you have to, I would report that. I would definitely move out. That's great, but I would for sure try to report that. Well, you know, it's a weird too. I'm just like, how would they get on the ceiling? That is very strange. But there's also like this weird, you see this little hook? I'm like, you can't really tell what it is because the picture's kind of dark, but I'm like, there's a little hook there. And then the other ones are by like the garage door opener. That is so weird. It's like why, why they're like, I mean, here's what's crazy with one of those footprints. So if you guys have seen garage doors that like they retract up onto the ceiling, does not make any sense where those footprints are. No. And so the footprint is like, if there was the garage door opener motor thing, okay? And then there's a track that goes down to your door. There's some of these boot prints that are under the track. Yeah. You get a boot to fit up under in the track. It would be very hard to get the bloody boot print up there if you were doing it by just putting the boot on your foot and stamping it around. And you know what? That is not for the poster to figure out. That is for the forensic scientist that gets sent to that crime scene to figure out. So I would say definitely got to someone. I would just be too paranoid that it could be useful to solve maybe another murder that happened in the area. I know. Why am I going to be sinking through the ceiling? I don't know. No, I don't think so. Someone got hung upside down and then their boot just on the ceiling. Oh yeah, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I really don't know how that would have happened. Maybe it's paranormal and some ghosty bloody boots around, but it looks very real and recent. I mean, ghost can do physical stuff. I've got this next picture to kind of prove it. I've had multiple pictures sent in by listeners on two outtakes and father nose episodes of like scratches they got and like all this stuff. But this is coming from our slash paranormal, cleaned a dead woman's house and she didn't want me to leave with her things. And this is the person's arm. Oh, it looks like they got grabbed a full hand grab print and like hard. Yeah, hard. Winkers look, well, there's only four. Oh, I guess the thumb is maybe underneath underneath. Yeah, that's scary because it doesn't. It doesn't just look like a ham print. It looks like some of the fingers are crooked or too small. Parthritis. Oh, lady had arthritis. Oh, lady, but I mean, original poster did say I was trying to leave with her stuff. So what's up with that, you know, the story gives me shivers every time I think about it. A friend of mine invests in four closed homes and invites friends and family to come and take whatever you want from a home that he was buying when I get there. It was cluttered hell and smell awful food wrappers expired milk receipts from years ago. It was filthy. There are about 15 of us masked and gloved up scraping whatever we could find, but as we dug deeper into the mess, it became sad. Sentimental items started to appear new clothes that were in gift boxes, old passports that were stamped many times over handwritten letters and many photos from the 60s and 70s. It looked over the photos and felt bad that I was scavenging was left of this lonely woman's life. From the photos, it seems that she never had kids and she was widowed for a while. I ended up being the last one in the house. The sun just set so it was quiet and eerie being alone in the musty home. My friend was waiting outside. As I took my basket full of things I had scavenged. I felt it, a cold, tight, tingling tug at my right arm. I nearly dropped what I was holding. It really, really felt like someone tugged me back. My body buckled backward slightly. When I got home, I saw it right where I had felt it, the tug, clearly a pressed handprint on my arm. This is not a sunburn. It never hurt. It hadn't been in the sun at all for days, the pale pattern of a hand stayed belanched on me for days. Wow. I hustled to get rid of the items and only after everything was sold or donated, did the handprint go away. What? I mean, no. Well, first of all, it's interesting the poster was like surprised that there were sentimental things in a foreclosed house because what do you, what do you think is going to be in there? I mean, actually, this was a real person who lived there. Yeah. I feel like most people would think like, I mean, it's clear she might have actually died there. Yeah. And that's why I was foreclosed versus like, oh, they lost it to the bank, but they still took their items. Yeah. And then she's just kind of scavenged. It's not like that's what the friend does though. He invests in foreclosed homes. So I feel like there's got to be. So I'm like a weird stuff that he's got going on. That's insane. Very pro-ghost in this story, I would say. Give me my stuff. Give me my stuff back. What is crazy though, when I first looked at the picture, I did think, oh, sunburned and then like to try to explain the hand, like when you're burned and then you press on your skin to see how burned you are, and then it like stays white for a second. But the fact that this stayed on her for quite some time until all of it was gone, that's scary. It also makes me think of when you are thrifting items, and you don't know their history. Some people feel like they take stuff back with them when they thrift an item. I've never felt that from any of the items I've gotten. And I did just buy a dresser from another famous Hollywood actress. Really? Yeah. And like I found some kind of steel. Like an estate sale? I'm a big estate sale person. I love an estate sale. But I've never felt that from any of the items, and like I found her needle work in some of the dresser parts in some of the nightstands or wherever it was. And it was like this beautiful sunflower she was working on and just never finished. So I can't throw it away. I can't bring myself to throw it away. I know. And so I'm like trying to find someone to give it to so I know they'll finish it versus goodwill. I'm now thinking about it, I'm like, did this stuff start in my house when I brought the dresser in? Oh my gosh. Morgan. What the hell? I need to evaluate that a little more, but okay. So captain is off with this last one titled, my uncle was murdered a while later, my aunt took this photo. And so the first photo, okay, it looks like the person was taking a picture of a snowy night. Yeah. Yeah. Looking out their window. Yeah. And you see someone in the reflection. Yeah. You can see the room reflected in the glass. And it looks like there's four-shore person sitting behind her. You can even see the painting on the wall. You can see the couch that the man is on. Everything. Yeah. You see his like, it looks like he's wearing glasses. Oh yeah. I could tell he's wearing a black t-shirt. His glasses. He's probably bald and he maybe has a little bit of facial hair. Okay. So then we do have a little zoom of it. Yeah. You can see it even more. I can even see his hand. You can see the shirt he's wearing a black long sleeve. And then we get a picture of what the uncle looks like. It is literally him. Oh, that's exactly him. It's him. He's even wearing a black shirt in this photo. And he has the facial hair and the glasses. The glasses. Maybe not bald but really cropped hair. Uh-huh. Wow. Yeah. That's him. It's so crazy. Oh my gosh. So that photo, did they say how long after he passed away that the photo was taken? So I've been hanging on to this for about six to seven years and would love to know what y'all think. In 2017, my uncle was murdered. Now I can't exactly remember if my aunt sent this photo a few weeks or a few months later. I can really go digging and find out if that's a told new back from believing me. It had been snowing outside. My aunt was home alone and decided to send us a picture of the snow. Within a couple of hours, my mom is blowing up the group chat telling us to zoom. And asking us what we see. Wow. I go back to the picture and sure enough, it looks like my uncle had been sitting on the couch in the reflection. Needless to say, my aunt was spooked. She insists she was home alone and didn't notice the reflection before sending the picture. My aunt is a nobody. bullshit kind of person and even if she had done a complete 180 impersonality or degree for something she doesn't know how to edit or Photoshop. What made me finally decided to post this on Reddit? A couple of months ago I asked my aunt to resend me the picture so I could show a friend. I never actually saved the original. It had been saved in the group chat files. I saw I saved the picture to my phone and notice it's a live photo. I'm thinking here we go I can play the video and I will see my uncle completely still. Since in all reality it was probably something on the couch that happened to make a reflection that looked like him but no. He fucking moves his head to look at the camera. I know this is Reddit and a huge trust me bro but feel free to analyze and dissect the pictures. I'm confident they haven't been messed with other than the zoomed in pick of his reflection but that was just me cropping the picture. I don't know how to post live photos on Reddit so if someone tells me how I can post it for you to watch. Let me know what you think. Do they ever post the live photo? I had not looked and now I'm like. I know I'm scared. I get that it's gonna try to save it but yeah you can save a live photo as a video. You can yeah. Okay. Oh god I'm scared to watch it. Does it post? Okay so at the time they had posted because this is a year old now. They had posted an image gallery and then they posted like the data time linked to live photo video but it doesn't it doesn't take you anywhere anymore. I'll send opiate message. Maybe we can see it. See if you can send it. Oh my gosh that is very eerie. I know. I know. I know like you still there with you. Yeah definitely. Paranormal stuff y'all I cannot wait to see your personal stories. Yes. Put it in the comments on Instagram YouTube wherever I'm also putting together another theme so if you want to share your story fill out the Google form and I'll see if I can get to it. This is spooky season. We did an episode for your show. Yes we did more listener stories. Some very spooky paranormal stories that happened to our listeners and so that's available. That's gonna be available the last week of October on the HR's planning theme. And what else are you working on this month? So our spooky season. October is gonna be all the theme is monsters but we're doing kind of like the real life equivalent of certain monsters. So I'm doing like the vampire of Dusseldorf. It's the the time that Dusseldorf Germany thought that a vampire descended on their town because a lot of bodies started showing up and all of them had bite marks on the neck and some of them were drained of blood. What is this where Dracula kind of started? It's actually it was the 1920s that this was happening. This is like after Nosferatu came out. So this is post Dracula post everything. And oh my god was it a serial killer? Is there really a vampire in the town? We get into it in that episode. And then we talk about the Hinter kyfx story but kind of under the like the Hinter kyfx story is our bogeyman. So we're getting into like bogeyman lore and then telling you the story of Hinter kyfx. And so we do that with siren lore and we do that with Werewolf lore as well. Oh my god. You're the real life equivalent. Buckle up. I'm very excited. It's it's I'm really proud of the programming. It's gonna be really scary. It's gonna be such a good month for you. It's gonna be really fun. Yeah. Kaelin's first episode will be out at the time of this. But keep your eyes peeled for when ours comes. I'll be sure to share it everywhere. Yes. It's gonna be a good month over on Heart Starts Pound Day. And it was kind of always spooky season there. But we really like to go hard for actual spooky season. That's gonna be a good month. But thank you guys so much for being here. We'll have a bonus spooky episode on Patreon as well as the last one coming the week of Halloween. Thanks to our special guest Annabelle and Gordy. Thank you guys. You're so well behaved. I know what like really good today. Yeah. I appreciate that. But Annabelle will be sleeping here tonight. So yeah. In the car. In the car. Say bye Annabelle. Bye Annabelle. Bye bye. Bye. (upbeat music)