Speaker 1just go and do it and see what happens ideas are worth like jack shit absolutely jack shit like if you can't execute there's nothing just take that initiative to actually take whatever crazy ideas that they might have and just try to see what comes of it don't be afraid of ambition chase it love it wrap your arms around it and and say it out loud new zealanders don't know any better they will just get up and give it a shot that's why we were first to get to the top
Speaker 2of mount everest go to dream that ultimate dream like what is it that you ultimately want to do and it's all achievable today's episode tackles the question
Speaker 3every parent is quietly asking what does learning look like in the age of ai we've got four conversations that build on each other from the most human stakes possible all the way to the workplace of the future first up is irish from car attack whose story shows how ai avatars are making education accessible to the deaf community for the first
Speaker 4time so we are some look like a content management system for an organization but in sign language a bank hospital currently we are focusing on education especially in the u.s so for example one of our customers they said we have like 10 000 hours of content it's practically not possible to use a human interpreters can you help us to make that accessible to asl then we help you to design an avatar which is exclusive to you and that avatar or digital human has a sign name it's a character and it will connect to our system and now all the system is now accessible to sign language so that's one area the other area is for emergency notification in the united states it's compulsory to make an emergency notification accessible to asl but sometimes it's like most of the time to four to six hours during the human interpreters and imagine like there was a shooting happening in the street i like oh by the way uh six hours ago there was a shooting there i don't know don't go there it's funny it's a sad sad comedy that sometimes the things are not accessible so i mean our tech we can do less than a minute
Speaker 5more like practical level i mean a lot of the folks who are deaf they understand these problems presumably they find workarounds and ways to get information and go to the bank and go to the hospital and get emergency notifications working around these constraints and not having translators right so yeah is this actually making a problem like i guess i've never heard of the problem until until i met you and yeah like like i'm just trying to understand and maybe help other folks and i think most people probably never heard of this problem because they're probably not familiar with anybody who's deaf how do people get around this problem and is it actually like a big problem
Speaker 4i really suggest to watch a movie called coda i think they won oscar two or three years ago and it shows the challenge of everyday the community are are dealing with that the fact that sometimes that we are not ever it shows how distant we are to that community and it's it's very sad again i was in academia never see any phd on engineering who are dead i was in a high-tech startup so i've never seen these people and again because of the distance that we have which is which is very very sad humans are finding a way to to do things right but it's a responsibility of us to make sure that this is happening to the fairest way having access to yes there was a shooting event six hours ago it's cool but it's not fair and we can use the technology to make a society because this is the society we live in and i think it's very important to make a society this is more fair currently a couple of deaf communities they rely on so much and the kids imagine you go to hospital and you want to talk about things with your doctor and you have you bring your kids who like sometimes five or six years old and you have to ask these kids to translate that for you they will doing willingly but it's extremely unfair extremely hard again in case of emergency they rely so much on other people to give them information already to give them information on time it shouldn't be that way
Speaker 5and there's a large percentage a large percentage of deaf deaf community that does not does not read
Speaker 4not able to read they are able to read but the literacy is and and reading speed is lower than the hearing community is not because the people who are for deaf are not smart the reason because it's different language this is my favorite part is the part that the the caterpillar become a butterfly so the english product of the caterpillar become a butterfly now let's look at it in sign language how would you narrate it so there's like
Speaker 5he just keeps going he keeps going yeah
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Speaker 5like illustrating the butterfly
Speaker 4flying yes the people who are the translators who are actually sometimes translating is if they are narrating the story and translating that's why we for narration the ai in next 10 years cannot beat up humans inside we're seeing
Speaker 5what he looks like on the screen right yes but but the person who actually signed was a woman and you you took that video and you overlaid that author's avatar
Speaker 4over her yes so when you're doing a motion capture right you you're technically getting a skeleton and you and avatars are like a different skin for the skeleton so you can put a different skin and the skin could be in human to some extent animals uh human with different age gender ethnicity right right and so this was like
Speaker 5was this like version one of your technology so yeah that
Speaker 4was version one okay because we will need that motion capture studio to start recording vocabularies anyway and it's like wow there could be another really nice byproduct and could be again capturing the storytelling inside language it's the next level i think this video if i'm not mistaken is 88k views right the number of deaf people in new zealand four thousand the storytelling is so cool it could beyond just deaf community
Speaker 3ara shows what happens when ai opens education to people shut out of it for decades next up pina barton from crimson global academy takes that idea home literally she's already built her son a personalized ai teacher and says real ai driven teachers are only three to five years away have
Speaker 6you ever read the diamond age uh this book by by neil stevenson he's the sci-fi writer and writes about this world in the future where there's this um kind of unequal society and like the the very rich folks they give their kid this basically kind of ai tablet called like the primer this thing learns learns about kind of what you are from a very young age and then that kind of teaches you very like exactly how you'd imagine like the best personal tutor would do across everything right and the correct story is like some some one of the kind of like poor kids gets a tablet and like becomes like a genius and like takes over and like changes changes society um i i guess that's sort of you know what i was doing kind of at tech companies that was like always seen as the holy grail about tech is like this sort of the young ladies primer is what it was called and people thought it was the ipad for a while right we're like you could just give kids this thing and like they could they could go and like create worlds in minecraft websites they could do whatever they want i mean now ai is taking it to a whole new level um and you mentioned you know your son interacts with like alexa and siri and stuff do you see at some point you kind of don't need an adult i don't know if you've ever had an adult or an adult that's kind of mediating that experience like at some point ai i think it's very close to that just gets good enough where like you just give your son a tutor and like the tutor just like is exactly tailored to him or her kind of always on you don't need to like go to class at six o'clock or five whatever like at a certain time it just like does it whenever you want to and like pushes you and allows you to explore any interest at that point like what's the point of going to class or even having like a even if it's online if
Speaker 7it's easy and that's where you'll start to see there are some subject that i still don't want to go to class i don't want to go to class i don't want to go to see that becoming quite straightforward for over the next like absolutely i think we will have that in the next five years at this point there is still a lot of flaws i mean you think about the environmental impacts you think about how those models are trained the bias within those models like i don't think we're there yet but i love the idea of being there and i think probably in the next three to five years we will absolutely have ai driven like teachers working in in proper the ones i've seen right now so you know a lot of uproar from students on them i don't think we're quite there yet but absolutely i think we're going to have that in the next three to five years we will get there and then school will become more of that it will become more like a discussion it will become more project based it will become more putting that into practice because like great you can like have that discussion and kind of learn that learn that concept but then like how are you putting into practice and i expect that's where we will see more of these uh you know school anchoring around great like let's launch your own business let's put this all into practice let's um you know go and kind of take part in this uh you know model united nations um you know go and kind of take part in this uh you know model united nations um you know go and kind of take part in this uh you know model united nations um you know model united nations um you know model united nations um you know model united nations type experience you will see more of type experience you will see more of type experience you will see more of that in practice learning and there's that in practice learning and there's that in practice learning and there's absolutely still a role for that and i absolutely still a role for that and i absolutely still a role for that and i see the role of the teacher is also see the role of the teacher is also see the role of the teacher is also helping there is this model if you think helping there is this model if you think helping there is this model if you think about ai driven and right now the way it about ai driven and right now the way it about ai driven and right now the way it is is like good prompt good result but is is like good prompt good result but is is like good prompt good result but how does the student know the best place how does the student know the best place how does the student know the best place to start how does it know what it doesn't to start how does it know what it doesn't to start how does it know what it doesn't know and so i see teachers that have know and so i see teachers that have know and so i see teachers that have that experience of going through this that experience of going through this that experience of going through this over many many years being able to go over many many years being able to go over many many years being able to go and then being able to provide that and then being able to provide that and then being able to provide that guidance back kind of as part of this guidance back kind of as part of this guidance back kind of as part of this like ai teacher student team to be able like ai teacher student team to be able like ai teacher student team to be able to kind of refine what it is they're to kind of refine what it is they're to kind of refine what it is they're covering because in a world where it's covering because in a world where it's covering because in a world where it's all student-led there is always going to all student-led there is always going to all student-led there is always going to be this gap if you don't know you don't be this gap if you don't know you don't be this gap if you don't know you don't know know know and being able to sort of help that and and being able to sort of help that and and being able to sort of help that and then there's also that piece of how do then there's also that piece of how do then there's also that piece of how do you create learning experiences that are you create learning experiences that are you create learning experiences that are shared and synchronous because if we we think about what makes amazing communities is shared experiences at the same time. And if everyone is having this individual learning experience, then we are then starting to take away from that. And, you know, we talk a little bit earlier about social connection and that's definitely part of it, but another part is community and you're having the shared experience in a virtual classroom. if everyone's individual you start to take away from them you start to see that kind of rise and like loneliness and social isolation so i expect there is going to be kind of more of a little team around it with teachers helping inform and then that shared learning experience it's my thoughts off the top of my head but we can spend longer on god
Speaker 3so pin is mapping out the school of the future but what about the very top the ivy league jamie beaton from crimson education has gotten thousands of students into harvard and yell and shares a bold take on ai avatars replacing elite professors plus what open as chief economist told him about the future of
Speaker 6jobs that's already possible now realistic avatars that can talk to you in real time i'm going to engage in the same way the teacher will engage with you does that change in a good way or a bad
Speaker 8way do you think about that i think that um hopefully that that that'll be great because ultimately only a small number of kids can sit in the yellow class and learn from the guy from walk to ellipton about corporate litigation so having these ai teachers is a really good experience i have a feeling that you know through a combination of the motivational effects where you interact with a mentor who makes you want to be better and it holds you to more account with a grading incentive structure and diploma that means something in a framework where like the jobs at the end of it are very lucrative that whole structure will be very differentiated compared to like just your ai coach that ultimately will be harder to properly incentivize you to really commit to it so i i think i think it'll be very enduring but i'm you know i'd be delighted if you can replicate that yellow school teacher through an ai avatar and that becomes very mainstream i still think the demand for these skills would be much higher in that world if anything in an ai world of abundance these types of experiences will become more coveted not less and you can see that in manhattan there's an explosion of these like weird membership clubs people apply and they sign up and they do the random thing and they're sort of craving this like exclusive community so i think if those things are thriving based on very little beyond some you know interesting entree in a weird building you know these universities that are actually based on a lot of actual value and i think will become more and more desirable and i see it in crimson from sort of the world's most prominent business leaders to you know first-gen college kids from the maori community in new zealand it's a very universal aspiration to go to these places and i think people love to hate on the universities because most people are getting rejected but it is fundamentally a very desirable product what do
Speaker 6you think about how does education kind of fit in in a world where you know a lot of people prognosticate 40 percent or 50 percent or 60 white collar jobs will kind of now be around next probably whatever your pick your favorite like prognostication metric right because of ai i actually had a call
Speaker 8earlier today with the chief economist of open ai it was very interesting and i asked him this exact question and i asked him this because a couple years ago i asked a mentor of mine larry summers will ai basically create mass job loss and what he said is in every major technology revolution people are scared of job loss but the net effect is always job creation and i do have this feeling that in an ai world if if you have these you know amazing agents there's still some ratio of human to agent that you need and i suspect that all this boost in product activity will will create you know an explosion of new types of jobs and i suspect that overall the amount of net employment will actually go up not down it might change the kind of jobs you do but i i i have an instinct like i find it hard to believe that this is a technology breakthrough so revolutionary that it rewrites all the laws of the economy that have you know taken place through all previous revolutions so i'm kind of optimistic that actually there may be some massive job loss of certain types of existing roles but there will probably be you know more stimulating more interesting jobs in the ai world that we'll be able to look forward to
Speaker 3imagining school is one thing but what happens once you're already in the workforce finn built an entire internal ai curriculum for his staff because as he puts it entire industries are about to face their own rust belt moment let's get into it
Speaker 1but the actual process of getting ai inside a business people using it at scale was it was something that really interested me so there's a i've got a co-founder who's running an amazing business called expanse.com over in new zealand in auckland with a but the idea came he was visiting in brazil and helping me out with some stuff inside the company and we're talking like how do you implement like best practice prompting what models to be using what's the future of like are you going to have like a model that is expert for you know legal work or data science work or copywriting or any you know anything any sort of process that's inside a business and how do you get that there ramped up super quick so we built expense i did the pre-seed of a million us to get that started which is thinking about the future of humans and with co-working with ai inside that platform we've got all the different lms available so you can you know you can have access to super cheap models super expensive models big thinking models etc etc you organize all your prompts everything every workflow and prompt that you have for automating and getting the productivity gains inside your business organized and then socialize so shareable across departments with all the other people inside the business you like we tested this here at fluency so we had to build like i was like okay we want to get we want to get really good at this topic i kind of put in put in a head of ai education and we built a course that we taught to all of our all of our team and then we had like a an actual kind of like a university project where they had to deliver to us automating their job so like find a process that was either a pain for a student or a pain for themselves and automate it we had 165 different projects delivered of which 40 of them we took to production inside the business like yeah so this like looking internally and teaching staff how to use best practice ai and then building the tooling and the platforms around that is something that i i've been looking at really really carefully because there's two there's two really big pieces here one is major major groups inside the workforce are going to miss this platform shift and this technology shift and we'll get left behind it's kind of like the idea of like the rust belt in the united states like there are people that worked inside mining and then or or construction or steel and then it's just gone right when we are out there and we're not going to be able to do anything about it so outsource these jobs in history so i'm concerned with the teaching of people to be able to keep up with this so i've got a couple of projects in this space and the investments in the tooling around it so that it's truly giving the data governance that businesses need and and insight from managers and for ceos looking down into how it's been used inside organizations it's something that i investing a lot of time and money in thank
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