Illuminati Insider EXPOSES: Trump's Betrayal, Secret Sabbatian-Frankist Networks, & Epstein

And welcome back to the show and joining us today is returning guest Leo Zagami author researcher and Luminati insider Leo how you been? Well, so so about Backstrom We are here in the proximity of the summer or in the desert. So it's getting hot Well, you're speaking to the choir. It's getting it's getting to us here Yes, you can see I'm trying to get a suntan. I just went on a walk earlier got to get my my vitamin D but Anyhow a lot of interesting things going on around the world. Obviously there's like basically we're basically in I would say a world war three without people Just declaring it outright You know, Epstein stuff. We don't really hear much about that at all. We are hearing people talk about a cult Well, I mean teams like since they descended on the Zorr orange It's even worse than before. I mean now the the level of censorship is just quite blatant, I guess Absolutely and I love it. It's definitely a Important moment for humanity because it seems like we get distracted towards like Another war and probably like you said maybe it's About time to to call it a world war three as it's you know The late Pope Francis used to say it was a world war three in pieces, but now the pieces are coming together and so We only have the invasion of Taiwan the next on the list and then we just Say definitely we know Shraddato that we are in front of A world war three scenario though. I mean I hope that the people realize it was the big betrayal of President Trump that really makes a lot of people like me America first maga people that were Siding with Trump from the very beginning the moment he came down the escalator who are also betrayed because the promise of Stopping all wars was there from the very first moment. He started this new presidential campaign and so I think that at this point There is also a general disappointment in politics all together like Both the Republic and as well as the Democratic Party It's there's no difference because we're going back to that neo-con Republic and party that simply wasn't lying We both are always happening on the other side just in line with both are a military and that's a complex operation Was was up and running and that means definitely we will see A lot less people going to vote in the mid-term elections, but at the same time we're gonna definitely see a major defeat of the Republican party Yeah, well, I Up until recently I bought into the whole voting matters and you know left-right paradigm and I've realized you know It's all controlled a lot. It's pretty much all theater more or less to me at least My mental model of things presently so yeah, I think I think greater polarization We're seeing a we're seeing a major rift go on and I think it's gonna continue and you know as it relates to that you see Tucker you see the cantises out there. I know I spoke to you offline about my My my my position on them as it relates to the controlled opposition things of that nature At some point in the conversation today. I would love to hear your take on them. I hear Candace I don't really watch Candace, but I see some of the clips pop up. She's touched on like a sabotein frankism and Things of that nature of cult stuff, which I was kind of surprised when she started talking about it I mean, and then of course I noticed there was a squabble between Candace and David hike now David Ike is a guy who has been doing this for a very long time and People like me who have been doing my luminarian confessions online and then on my publishing Pensions along the world with books as you know published in Japan Italy Bulgari Africa American everything you know, I've been for a long time doing the same thing and I know That 20 years ago Candace Owen was nowhere to be seen Like many others who are now Since the pandemic the experts between brackets of the situation they kind of Built their following in one of the worst moment for moments for mankind But it was also something which I had already Announced in one of my books that was published ten years ago and volume two of my confessions Where I literally said that it was in 2020 there will be a virus and you will be all locked up in your homes so it it's like When they argued online and then of course I understand where David is coming from and at the same time I understand where Candace is coming from Candace is definitely a novelty she was she's very young she has This experience as an influence as an opinion is that but she has not been fighting the system head-on Like people like me or David I call even Alex Jones Because I think she is Relatively new to all this she's also saying at times some interesting stuff at times She's sensationalizing since I say sensationalizing some some topics She's talking occasionally even about the Sabatine practice which is a good thing But it seems like it's a little bit superficial for me I mean people at times tell me she says some interesting things but then after I know this the whole choreography of it is a little bit the whole The whole topics as she brings up especially in relationship to the death of Charlie Kerr with this ongoing failed with the with the wife of Charlie Kerr and everything else It almost seems like a major distraction So I completely understand if you tell me Candace so when is control opposition or Candace so when is a massive sigh-up But I don't think she's actually doing it with 100% awareness I think that she's actually Too young for for that kind of awareness and so she is simply participating to the discourse she was able to rise Pretty fast. I saw her rising because it was Alex who brought her on on the show and I used to work regularly appearing on in force from Rome so I saw how quick This former Democrat because she's a course in African-American she managed to gather quickly a lot of attention then of course she jumped on board of the Maga movement and now like many others she's disappointed but I don't see Candace at the same level of Tiger Carson I mean, I have also a training in journalism Like Tiger Carson. I don't think Candace has that kind of Journalistic approach she has never written to my knowledge an essay of importance or relevance So it's two different figures here and there is a lot more Though that are getting disappointed because of course the new sea tramp saying you have to agree with Mark leave In on everything Matt Levine is of course Somebody who has an allegiance more to Israel than to me. I say it's America So this whole thing of accusing then Tiger of being a foreign agent. Well, then There should be a lot of registered foreign agency here in America as a lot of people are Working either for Shimbay or for Mossad like people like Ben Shapiro now At times these people were never trumpets. So it's quite paradoxical that now these are the people who are defending Trump at all cost and is in his Cruzee de Niran now. I'm not country to you know to to waging war to The Yato lads. I mean the only time I ever went to Iran was in 1976 as a boy The young boy at the time of the Shah and it was of course a different kind of Iran From 1979 onwards Things have changed I have written a book volume 10 of my confessions Which is a book dedicated to the eternal war in the Middle East the secret societies Freemasonry also in the Middle East which is a subject very rarely discussed also amongst Muslims My own experiences in the Middle East because I was connected to the Middle East, my first wife was Turkey, she was also working for a period time collaborating with the Butrus-Gali family in Egypt, went there, worked on some research there with them and on some projects. So I mean, the Middle East for me is something that I lived counted to other people who never been there in the first place. Also, I'm half Sicilian. And Sicily is like the last bastion of the West when you go south of Lampedusa, you find Libya, you find, I mean, you have Northern Africa, so you have Tunisia, you have Libya, you have Algeria, you have Morocco. These are countries that are not so far from the south of Italy. And that's why I explained in this book, Sicily was conquered by these people for several hundred years, they actually transformed Sicily in a numerate, including my ancestors. So for me a few days ago when I saw in the island of Valicudi where most of my ancestors come from, the Rock of Ali in the Allian Islands, which is in front of Sicily, it's not south of Sicily, so it's in a completely different, you know, you will not expect irakians and iranians to be left behind the island, the saddened fishermen, a friend of mine found them in the morning there, 20 people left there and they could of course have died because there's no water there in that island. In ancient times they left 2,000, 3,000 Phoenicians to die there or first. But it is interesting because this island was actually named by an ancestor of mine who was called Alidza Ham and it was dedicated to Ali, Ali is the prophet of the Shia. And so both irakians and iranians, of course are a representative of the Shia minority within Israel and they give the same importance to Ali than they give to Prophet Muhammad. These are things that of course people will, but you have to understand, the Sicily is a place where the mosques were transposed in churches, opposite to the Byzantine Empire and what happened with the arrival of the Ottoman Empire where in Istanbul churches were transposed in mosques. So my ancestors were also members of the Knights of Malta who defended Europe from the Muslim invasions. I mean the Christian crusaders used to have a pit stop Messina, which is basically the city of my grandmother or part of my family. So we were all involved as a family and aristocrat family from the area with the sacred Roman Empire, we both happened after with the Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies. So it is a lot of things that for me it's more than just an opinion. It's something that I lived like when I was a boy, I spent a few months in Cidilanka. I will never have expected an Iranian ship to actually be sink in front of a place which I know very well, which I used to be there when I was a kid. So maybe because of my experiences around the globe, I see the present scenarios very disturbing and definitely we are not heading towards peace, contrary to what Trump promoted, you know, the board of peace. I mean it seems like it's an orwellian kind of scenario at this point where you are talking about peace but you are actually doing war. So it's something that people are waking up to. And so I don't think that people are stupid enough to buy into the liberation of Iran and stabilizing the whole of the Middle East. Then there is the whole squabble with NATO and of course Trump saying, "Okay, now you have to help me." I mean think about it. We are the United States of America. You are a former Navy vet, I think. Okay, so you know exactly what kind of capacities we have. You start the war, the first thing you do, you take the straight, the straight of almost, you put all your naval capacities that can detect any kind of drone. We are here in America, we have the most amazing way of scrambling drones of counteracting that kind of technology. So why not use it? I mean I think that the way this war is conducted is that it's a namathur level. I'm not asking you to be Napoleon. I'm not asking you to be some great Julius Caesar. I'm not asking you to wage war with that. I don't know, some kind of, I mean at least the basics of war. When you study war, what do you study? You study Julius Caesar, the Belogali, you study Schunzul, they have to war. But this is the basics. And you don't conduct, you know, you don't get the people who now there is a ship that is arriving. I think yesterday passed in front of Singapore. It is a ship of incursors who are of course used for then landing from from from the beaches. You know, you have to incursor. I don't know how you say it in English, but I was in there for so. And I think the terminology is a little bit different. But I can tell you that it's done at a namathur level this war and it's really disappointing. Because it's it's it's done in a way that in the end you are like, OK, they're simply doing this for the great reset. They're simply following on what they are already promised us. And that means ruining our bank accounts. And that's the being happy on nothing. It goes very well in line with what I wrote in my books. In case. People are interested volume seven on my confessions. It's based on the occult roots of the great reset. So I see that the prices are going up and everything is, you know, in turmoil and everybody likes to give their opinion. The first thing that they should ask is why the American military force, the most the most the mightiest military force in the world is even this asking for help to other countries. Only for that, the people should riot go to Washington, pick up Congress, throw them in the river and get the White House freed from all this rubbish. I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me. It's just like, do you get on purpose? Because they're following a plan and the plan eventually is to lead this whole, you know, we are at the end of almost sapiens before we transform ourselves in something different with the advantage with the arrival of transhumanist. The I robotics China is of course spearheading this this whole thing and they might be really the country that in the end becomes the number one country like we used to be. And that is a disappointment because we could still maintain that position if we didn't have a bunch of corrupt individuals and also amateurs in the military field because who I had the general said, okay, you know, I mean, we will overthrow the Iranian government. We're there in a few days so you shouldn't worry about the state of almost that the kind of advice was given apparently to Donald Jidran. That is the kind of general you have to put in front of a proper of an execution pro. You know, Trump is saying he wants to have general is executed for not being in line with his with his military, I mean with his caption of Iran, whatever you want to call it with his operation. But, you know, I mean if a general gives you that kind of advice that is that that's that's a crime. I mean that is bad because you you shouldn't be really that amateurish. No doubt will you? I also heard another guess that I have frequently on the show is Bob Moriarty and Bob mentioned about how I think it was an Air Force general conveyed to the Trump administration. He said, "Hey, look, I cannot guarantee success." So, from a military standpoint, when someone says, especially that, I cannot guarantee success, that's a major red flag. From what I've heard, what I have been hearing from sources is that the U.S. Iran is winning. And the U.S. and Israel have not been, or at least the U.S. has not been forthright with understandably so, with casualties and taking hits to your point as far as the Trump administration trying to galvanize support for the conflict. So, I think I don't think it's going to be this short thing. I think it's going to be dragged out. And I suspect you let me know if I'm off that this is all again part of the design, the theater to depopulate and to, you know, there's a lot of resources being extracted. I mean, if you go back to what I wrote a few months ago, when I described the present scenarios, almost a materialization of what George Orwell wrote in 1984 with a war divided in three spheres of influence where these never-ending wars are kept just to maintain the general population under their time with a constant destruction here and there, the fact that people are no longer able to buy a home, the mortgages are going to be out of control, of course. There is going to be a lot of problems for people who are still recovering from the pandemic and the crisis that we had with this hideous war in Ukraine. We still have the propaganda of the system with people like Shom Pen, who instead of taking his Oscar is there with Zelensk, I mean, come on, man, this is pathetic psychological operations that are driven from the Pentagon Hollywood department, which I discussed, I'm playing my volume made of my confessions. Think about the guy who was, I mean, the film who has won more Oscars this year with Leonardo DiCaprio, the one battle after another. Have you seen that movie? No, I haven't. That is a propaganda piece of the worst kind promoting basically as heroes, people like Antifas, people like those pieces of shit who go around and transform cities in a hellhole or finally glorified in this movie, as well as the illegal immigration. Now, I'm not saying that there is immigrants in this country who deserve, of course, to be treated better and ICE at times went out of control simply because ICE also became a spectacle. Instead of just doing their work and I'm glad to say that Tom Homan is a more serious person than Cristino ever was. She was definitely a failure of all failures and impacting the end. She's out of the picture. I think that now as the soupiness and pambondi for the Epstein files, we will have another person that will soon leave the Trump administration. However, the whole thing about the Epstein files, we still have millions of files that are not being released. The ones that have been released and are being analyzed and still bring us a lot of information today daily as we analyze them, are no longer considered of interest because suddenly with the world, it's kind of like at least Trump has managed in his intention to deflect the general attention of the population. That is, for me, for somebody who is not a Democrat, to hear the Democrats' talking points, actually making sense, it's really scary because it means that we have been betrayed in such a big way. I hope that, like you said earlier, this whole thing left the right. In the end, when you lift the veil of illusion, it's simply a fraud and a scam. What is the future? The future that they are proposing, which I have explained in volume 6.66, in volume 7, volume 9, cyber Satan, aiding the Antichrist. Today, we have Peter Till in Rome for this seminar on the Antichrist. Last few days, there has been a lot of controversy about Peter Till in Rome. Palantir is part of the algorithmic dictatorship. Palantir is the technocratic big brother. So today, Peter Till in Rome doing his behind closed doors, his conferences on the Antichrist, is just ridiculous to think that a guy who is actually helping the rise of the Antichrist can go there and seriously say the Antichrist is not going to be a scientific or technological model of wizard of sorts. Well, what is he going to be? A guy who comes from the desert of Baghdad, come on. He made a break. I mean, we know that we are heading towards a society in which everything is about AI and robotics. So it's obvious that the Antichrist is going to inevitably come out of this picture. And I made it very clear in my books. So I'm glad that people in Rome have at least raised some concerns. Though behind closed doors, even there, you have the Melonic government and everybody else like in England and the NHS. I mean, everybody's working with Palantir. And so Palantir is part of the problem. Peter Till, I spoke about him in my book because his family comes from Frankfurt. Frankfurt is together with Vienna. These are two of the major strongholds of the Sabati and Frankist. Now, the problem when you have somebody like Andy So, I'm talking about Sabati and Frank is that she scratches the surface. And now we suddenly have a Chinese dude. A professor. What's his name? Professor John. Professor John. Yeah. Some kind of, I mean, some people say it's not even a professor but he teaches, I don't know, in a school and in Beijing. So if you teach in Beijing, first of all, you have to have a clearance from the Chinese Communist Party. Just keep it in mind. I saw what he's talking about and his basically stuff which I discussed a long time ago. And he's also scratching the surface because he doesn't have any direct experience about certain topics. He's obvious. So in his mishmashing rose accruation, three months on templates, but he's not really knowing what to say. I published 12 books, Illuminati Confessions, which gives you a clear academic, serious, historic perspective on all these groups. How the pyramids of power is built and who sits at the top. Sabati and Frank is anxious with just like he says, but I give you the names. And I'm sure that he's, if he starts giving the names, he will never be able to exit China live because the Jesuits in China, like I explained in volume 12 of my confessions, even the headquarters of one of the most sophisticated units of the of Chinese intelligence is located next to a Jesuit headquarters. They have been there for hundreds of years, the Jesuits in China. They were the ones behind the globalization of Shanghai. And this is history. It's not conspiracy theory. So professional one should tell us the history. So then maybe he will find himself. I don't know, maybe you know, it's because I mean, I don't know if if if China wants to become the nation that has eventually, you know, teaches conspiracy theories of sorts in universities and so I'm available. But I don't think I want to hear the truth because the truth involves China also Chinese, the country that has 20% of the national bank involved with the Rothschild. China is definitely. part of the system because the Illuminati, as we commonly refer to code and whatever, the various thing tanks, sickle societies and everything that we commonly refer and call the Illuminati, have always looked at the Chinese model as the model of the future. I've been saying that for 20 years, I started saying that in 2006 when I started to become public with my confessions online. So it's definitely very interesting. Though it's interesting that Alexander Dugin and I wrote that in an article, I don't know if you read it on my website. A few days ago I published an article about Alexander Dugin that finally talks about the Sabatean francost as the roots of Zionism, like I explained in my book about the Jeffrey Epstein and that was very interesting. But then instead of citing me, he cited Professor Wang saying that this guy is saying these things and I was a little bit like, okay, but if you really want to dig deep in such things including Jeffrey Epstein, okay, you say, like for example, Professor Wang says, yes, the Rothschilds, but in Frank, his steps and was a subject of Frank. Yeah, give us the names, give us the context. And in my books, as well as in my articles, I give you the names. I also refer and when the finally the last bunch of the ups and fives was published and we saw ulterior confirmation of what I had already written. ulterior confirmation about his involvement with with the Rothschilds, the fact that they were both behind Adolf Hitler and sustaining a young Adolf Hitler, but at the same time, Epstein is not that just that Jewish guy from a working class family from Brooklyn. Oh, that's BS. He himself talks with Ariane the Rothschild about his family, the Epstein's, the Rothschilds and another family being the guys who actually helped a young and destitute it Adolf Hitler and he also admits that his family is the one that built the Epstein Palace in the center of Vienna, which is still there. His ancestor, in fact, because the Epstein family is a family that made their fortune from the textiles at the end of the 18th century and then after went into banking, both in Poland, as well as in Prague and then Vienna. It was the Epstein family that built the first railway from a crack of Vienna. So this is not working family and it says that you can go on, even on regards to the Epstein family and they will tell you even on Wikipedia, that the Epstein family, one point in 1818, it was a '68, they suffered like everybody else, the general depression and economic crisis and that's in fact in particular lost a lot of money. That pushed them to move and emigrate to America. But to describe the Epstein as a working class guy, the son of, I had the, you know, it's this completely ridiculous and so we would like to have the specifics from Professor Young about his assertion. Yeah, you know, it's been interesting to, because then, you know, he gets, oh, done the Pils Morgan show, he gets much larger audiences than I will ever have. He has millions of followers now, but I have been constantly shadowed by I have been arrested for his pure knowledge, persecuted, had the free country moved, changed even my nationality. Come on guys. And this guy, seven to three rises out of nowhere and becomes a celebrity is obvious that this kind of operations have behind them a good psychological operations unit. So he, he, he's dispensing truth, but at a superficial level is what I'm reading from you. And that kind of serves its own agenda or its own purpose, so to speak. And I guess the same could be said of a lot of other people in the alternative media space, Leo, because I know you mentioned. The thing that is disappointing is that you will not expect that from an academic, because you will expect a professor. I mean, for example, I have worked for the last few years, collaborated, you know, I, trying to time I do my book, I presented on his show, Professor Hamamoto, who is a great professor who actually touched here in California, a great academic, who is profoundly honest about citing my work about even when it's not important to shows and citing my work and stuff. So I mean, you can be, you know, honest guy. And just, I mean, maybe he came to the same conclusions than I have. You know, everything is possible. But at the same time, the Latins used to say, "Script Amanent, Verba-Balant," which means the words that are written stay, the dates in which they are written stay. And so then there is no way you can say, "I came with that before you." "Script Amanent, Verba-Balant." Remember this Latin saying. Regarding the two Jeffrey Epstein, very interesting is chats with the Rocher family, the fact that he actually helped the Rocher family when there was 10 years ago a division within the Rocher family on who was supposed to use the Rocher name. So there was two factions of the Rocher family fighting with each other and he intervened. And in fact, he was paid a lot of money, having 20, what was it? 25 million dollars and 35 million dollars. A normal amount of money that was actually paid to Jeffrey Epstein because he managed to put these arguing factions of the Rocher family to agree that they would both in the end use the name Rocher. And that is a big deal for the French and English faction arguing with the Swiss faction because these two factions were really to order and then Epstein intervenes. I mean, to intervene in a situation like that in which you have people from the Rocher family who are arguing, you have to have a certain, you know, I mean, definitely. When he writes about the involvement with the Epstein palace, Gustaf von Epstein, like I said, was the guy who created. And I think the exact date they lost their fortune was 1873. But we are talking about a family that was in charge. The father, I think it was Leopold, was the in charge of the national bank of the Osteon national bank. And instead of the Polish branch with Jakob Epstein, they became in charge, they established the first private bank in Poland. At the same time, Jakob Epstein, and you can go on the Jewish Encyclopedia, so I'm not making a conspiracy theory, it was very well known inside the Masonic logis of remission. Now we all know that the only ones who could exceed the Masonic logis of remission in that period were members of the Ziatic brethren and they were subletine francists. So there is over and over again the confirmation of what I said. Some things have been occasionally cited because I mean at one point I remember one show candy saw and cited Moses Dubruska. Now in Moses Dubruska is a very important figure because he was the son of the cousin of Jakob Franz and he was actually decided that he would be the successor of Jakob Franz, but he rejected that in favor of his role within the Ziatic brethren and then he ditched that to go and work for the Illuminati and the French Revolution and he would be eventually killed during the French Revolution or any changes named to I think it was Julius Frey or Julius Frey. And then you have, but I mean this guy is extremely influential. Culture is speaking in the French Revolution because he's the guy who coined basically the 10 philosophies of South, so South, the social philosophy at the basis of the French Revolution. And this guy was Sabatine Frank, he's the meaning, the Ziyadek Brederen were the first Masonic group that led using the Rogers. And at one point, they actually sought recognition from London and from the other large. So they could then have visiting, they could visit the lodges that will never have in the Prussian, in Prussian Freemasonry, they will not let Jews inside the lodges. So that is a very interesting talk. Then you have, of course, the whole transformation of American society in the 19th century with this Ashkenazi bankers that I'd like the chief, the rocher, the warburgs, their influence became massive. Because initially, the United States had the Sephardic influence, not Ashkenazi influence. And the Sephardic influence was the one that we noticed in the Supreme Council of the Scottish Right where four of the members were members of the most influential, the second most influential Sephardic community was in fact in Charleston, at the foundation of the Supreme Council. That then, of course, was moved to Washington DC. And then the founder of the Northern jurisdiction of the ancient and accepted Scottish Right is also one of those foundation members and also a guy connected to the Sabatian francost. So basically, we have here a Masonic reality in the United States, which you know is still in existence. It's not relevant as before because today we have fading numbers compared to people are no longer in, it's not the golden age of fraternities, that's for sure. But the influence was very vast and still to this day is very vast. So I think that we should realize that these, all these people, like when I heard Tucker Carlson accuse the Habad Lubavitch movement. I think that he's risking a lot there. In fact, one week after, it talks about the CIA investigating him as a foreign agent. Habad Lubavitch is the most influential orthodox Jewish movement, but it is also part of that form of casteism as the acidic Judaism that was infiltrated by the Sabatian francost. And we have a lot of evidence to prove that. I even have a personal experience with the Habad Lubavitch movement and it wasn't a good experience to tell you the truth 'cause they came to me offering me this, that and all the other. And I started to realize soon after what these, do these people want from me, really. And this is the first time that I'm saying this on your show, but they offered me money to become the editors of my books. And I, of course, I said, no way. I don't let even, I mean, my wife is the only one that has the permission to edit my books and that's sick, I said. Nobody even has to know what is my next book because if I talk about my next book, I'm gonna jeopardize my life. The moment in which the next book comes out and is out, then I can discuss it like I do with this, like I do with the previous one and the previous one, but I can never tell you what is my next book because it's so sensitive, the material that I work with, that I will be risking my life amongst other things. So these people offered me money, offered me this and that. And then I saw that they were not current with real Judaism. I saw that they were heavily involved with the occult, with new age, with this and that. And I said, how is your rabbi? I mean, how can your rabbi accept this kind of fear? And it happened in more than one occasion with different people, huh? And so I was like, shocked because it was a betrayal of the Mosaic laws. I said, well, what are you doing? You're putting a shaman for the funeral of your wife. Does your rabbi know what are you doing there? Is that the Kabad Luba which thing to just do everything together, orthodoxy, a new age and full mismatch everything in a big pot? Now I'm not Jewish, I'm Christian. I might have one percent of Jewish blood, but I know very well Judaism because I was brought up in the Jewish community in Rome. I actually asked them to spend some time with them in the early 90s. There was a rabbi eliotoath for many decades the head of the Jewish community in Italy. And at one point his son published a very controversial book, a book that was soon after censored. He's called Ariel Toath. You can go and check the history of this book I'm talking to you about. The title in English would be in Italian, "Spasco di Sangue, Brader opa, Michi di Rituali." It was the Ritual murders and the Easter of Blood. Basically it writes about the very controversial and this precedes Sabatine Frankus because like I explained also in my book, on Jeffy Hapson, but I also explained in other prior books, the infiltration of Judaism starts right when Moses goes up to Mount Sinai. He had brought out Egypt some magicians, some witch doctors and stuff that were at the court of the farrow that admired the power because they saw the power of God through him. And so they decided to follow him, but they were not Jews. From that moment onwards, they would be known as the Arab rap. Have you ever heard of them? Go and check it out. In the mix multitude, the Arab rap. There's even I think a painting that represents this Arab rap. But the concept is basically this. They're almost given by, because they became insidious from the very start. They were the ones behind the golden calf. So when Moses came down and so these people were shipping the golden calf, you know what happened after that. He got extremely disappointed. Procure. What the hell, this idiot's were shipping the golden calf, what are you doing? Now from that moment onwards though, the infiltration continued. They didn't diminish. And so from time to time, it said that 72 of these Arab rap members, the reincarnate within the Jewish community to lead it astray. Going back to Ariel Tof, this book that came out of Ariel Tof in 2007 was then republished after two weeks with some omitted work course. It created a lot of problems because it talks about these ritual murders that were conducted by these perverted Jews that picked up Christian infants and sacrificed them during certain periods of the year. I read this predates Sabatim Frankies, but at the same time, it's of course after because you have to understand that the Harry Robb were always present. I explained that in my book on Jeffrey Epstein. So what happens? There is the fact that the blood-delibal accusations, you know, were then used by Jack of Frank himself. When he was accused of him by the other by the Pinnacle Council, that he was himself an erratic and he was the worst kind of erratic because Sabatizavi Baruch Russo and then the fervor of the stringety of fake massias that played the unfortunately Jewish, man. We're doing things that were highly despicable. I mean, of course, the rituals laid the foundations for everything that then filtered through occult groups like the one Alistair Crowley was in charge of. So a complete reversal of the Mosaic laws, a complete and twisted interpretation of the Kabbalistic values, a demonic reality that was manifesting. Let's say that the Stabatian Frank is to wear the earth to that hered wrap. And this is actually something that, in fact, there is an important academic that has written a book. Let me give you the correct name of this academic that the era of rub is something. I'm sorry that I can't share with you because sometimes I would like to show the adoration of the golden calf, which is the starting point of it. The the term appears in Exodus 1238, a mixed crowd or a mixed multitude also went up with them and livestock in great numbers, both flocks and herds. The mixed crowd is the English rendering of a rub. And it is basically also appears in a Nehemia 13 free where it used to refer to non Jews. That like I said, non Jews who followed the Jews out in the desert and with Moses, but then became unfortunately this mixed multitude of people became unfortunately the basis for all the future problems of the Jewish people. It's almost alike. They deposited the seeds of evil that then plagued from that moment onwards. Judaism. Now, when it comes down to Habad Lubbiewicz and Takar Carson, who of course, pointed on a specific regarding something that was word by the IDF in connection to the rebuilding of the fifth emperor and all that. Habad Lubbiewicz movement had unfortunately embraced a false Messiah, who by the way is this figure that seems very much in line with Jere Kushner, who is also part of the problem here. Jere Kushner is part of the problem, but it's not like suddenly Trump became a somebody and Frank is because Jere Kushner arrived in the equation. Trump was already in those circles from the time of Roy Conn, from the time of the mentorship in the 1970s until the early 80s that saw Roy Conn. Roy Conn was a despicable individual, but he was also, he had amongst his ancestors one of the founders of the Bnite Brit, which is the biggest, as you know, Jewish fraternity in the world is the most influential is the founder of I, practice, the founder of the anti-deformation league. It is basically what is behind everything. So, you know, people say, "I, I, Park is controlling American politics." Yes, but who found the diaper? It's almost like people always are, you know, the egg comes before the chicken or the chicken before the egg. So what is the mission? Where are they coming from? And I thought it's found by Bnite Brit. And Bnite Brit, like I explained in this book, if interpreted the actual name, right, Brit interpreted correctly, not as the classic interpretation. It's actually connected to Shabbat-Azavi. So those, when the greatest formation, I guess, of American society happened in the, in for the whole system, which would then get better to the Federal Reserve in the early, I mean, over now a century ago, the Federal Reserve was a creation of the Shabbat in Frankus, the Rockefeller, or Rockefeller without the Rothschilds, without Schiff, without these people, they could have done nothing. And, but they all gathered together, as you know, and from that moment onwards, they are the banking cartel that roots this country. And the mentality is always the mentality of a sicker society that was very dear also to people like Jeffrey Epps. I mean, there is many references to sicker societies in the Jeffrey Epps and documents. And the only unfortunate thing, have a few, not the whole, probably there is many more, there is a reference to Peter Thiel in relation to his fixation with establishing a sicker society, this reference to the Zobiac sicker society that apparently was also very important for JP Morgan. So, I mean, the whole system is built by an elite. And this elite, I mean, when we're talking about the JP Morgan, we are talking about the world's largest banking capitalization. Still to this day, but very few people know that a hundred years ago, it was JP Morgan that actually helped the Vatican Bank and the Vatican finances to get back in line and straight and direct to the point that then they would become even more powerful than they were financially speaking. Because yes, they always had control over the culture, over the education, over this and that. They might have had a lot of gold here and there or a lot of properties which they still have. But they didn't have the art of finance, let's say, they didn't have the art of finance. So then the moment in which they started their own business with the Zodiac Club, because the Zodiac Club was and still exists the Zodiac Club. There is 12 members, each member has a is called like one of the sales signs. So they can't be more than 12 members. Now, it's very interesting. I was telling you earlier on about a movie, one battle after the other. Okay, which is the movie that has we won this year. The biggest number of of Oscars. Now, within the movie, aside from promoting these Mavericks from and Tifa, kind of, anarcho insurrectionally to free the immigrants from their clutches and all that, there is a very clear reference to a secret society. Of course, it's not called, it doesn't have a name of an established secret society because it's not that Zodiac Club, or it's not that I think they are called the Merry Christmas or something like that. But the way that Shom Pen, who is not the main character, that is Robert Ricardo, but he is the guy who goes after these people, but aiming one day to join this very exclusive secret society. And they say to him, during an interview about the secret society, they tell him, there is the possibility that this, this member has just died. So a position has been opened. That means that that is a closed secret society where the members have always to be the same number. And you can only join one, once one of those members is deceased. The same concept for the Zodiac Club. So, regardless of the fact that this movie is a propaganda piece from the left, you should definitely check it out because it gives you also an idea of what kind of secret societies they are. And I'm not talking about Freemason, which is not a secret society, because a secret society doesn't have the sign at the entrance of every town in America with a square in the compass. Welcome to this city, or welcome to this city, the local logist, perhaps 500 meters from me, you don't have that kind of thing. In every of secret societies, not a society with secrets. You never hear about them. You rarely have any documents about them. I published an article entitled on February 21st, 1026, entitled "Jeffrey Epstein, the Zodiac Lab and the Vatican Bank," which I strongly suggest you to check out, because I explained in my book the Sabatine-Frank is the legacy behind the temple on Little St. James. But then you have also from the latest batch of pictures, the vote of inside which was dedicated to the Zodiac and there is an email exchange in which they talk about evaluating a new member for this Zodiac Lab. So it's quite clear that in all the, I mean, it's a lot of material, so we probably never go through all of it, but it's very clear from this material is coming out of the Jeffrey Epstein files that he had a fixation for the bloodlines, for your position in society and for secret societies. I mean, I'm even cited in the Epstein files as an expert of the New World Order of Secret Societies. So that gives you an idea, now. But of course, cited in 2008 when we were a few individuals, it wasn't like you were on the internet and everybody's talking about this stuff. We were very few individuals 20 years ago to talk about these things. I give you an example. When I started my first blog in the fall 2006, almost 20 years ago, and I then spread it through the internet to see if I could get some interest. At that point, of course, I raised the interest of what? Of David Ike, who gave me the possibility of publishing some of my first articles on his website. I then was contacted by a guy called Greg Zismanski, who used to be a generalist in Rome and had a lot of experience with these kind of subjects, having operated as a foreign journalist in Rome, and who was announcing at the time the Vatican Jesuits and all the wrongdoings. And so we started to do a series of radio shows at the time. Alex Jones initially didn't like my work because he thought that I was too close to the Muslims at the time and he wanted-- but then after he came to Rome to personally apologize to me in 2015, almost 10 years after that, and we then collaborated for a few years after that. So the work I've been conducting by putting together these 12 Confessions of An Illuminati, the series, and then all the books that are going to follow starting from this one, there's going to hopefully go-- we're willing a new book in the coming months on a completely different topic that nobody can even imagine, but that's the surprise factor, which, like I told you earlier, is essential for not getting-- then, you know, mysteriously whacked along the way when I'm talking about such delicate topics. Because on the contrary of Professor Wang, I have direct experience with that. I was a free minister. I was the head of the Fraternars Rosacrucian Antigua in London and in Great Britain. I worked for the Sushitaros in Cushion in Anglia. I was a member of the Inegro-Jovingu and then the Regera-Garagro-Jovingu. I was a member of the Monte Carlo. And to list all the secrets to say this, I was a member. It's probably even too much. I was a member of the other temporaire, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, of course, unfold from bowling one of my confessions. And that direct experience gives also my work a completely different kind of perspective. Because I am the one who tells you the names of the people involved, the times, the dates, the places, and the reasoning behind it. So I hope that that is important for your audience. We are going now towards, I mean, the Luminarian, certain occult Freemasons have involved themselves with the Sabatean francist, like I said, thanks to the Sasiatic bread. But then it didn't end up there. There was a complete-- people, for example, talk about the Golden Door, where Alice Crolley was initially initially, she did it. The Golden Door inspiration, like I explained in this book, came from Cypher, that was actually encoded by a member of the Sabatean francist Rosicrution affiliation that came from Germany. The actual Asiatic brethren in their teachings were actually cited in the foundation documents of the Ordo Tempurentis, which then recruited later on Alice Crolley. So I mean, the evidence is there. It's not about simply speculating, because I like to bring had evidence to my work and make it this way credible, because I think that's what people deserve, not simple speculation. Of course, for some people, when you are accusing about the Lubric of being linked to the Sabatean francist, it becomes for them, unbearable. It's like, you know, you're touching a knife on a whole times when you're talking about their Messiah, who is revered by Jere Kushner and by Donald J. Trump, to visit his grave many times. I mean, all that is-- so Tucker Kerson is not saying the wrong thing. Is that Tucker Kerson then didn't go one step further and said, OK, why is Kabadlubavitch this way? Why they are turning out to be this kind of organization? Menachem and the Sherson, the Messiah, why is Trump going to pray on his grave? Why is Jere Kushner and the wife went to his grave after the first time the Trump was elected? What was this Messiah really proposing? And also, within the Kabadlubavitch movement, it's still controversial, even this whole thing about their mishianic stance. Because after seven-- I think it was seven Rebes, which are the masters, the Lubavitchers who are in charge-- he was the only one who claimed the mishianic. To be the Messiah is, at that point, you are, of course, immediately going to attract the attention of the whole of Judaism, not only your movement. And the whole of Judaism is reminiscent of what happened with the first Messiah, Shabbat, Isavi, or Jacob Frank. They're going to start inquiring. They're going to start viewing. I'm like followed by people within orthodox Judaism from other groups within orthodox Judaism who are confirming to me every day my fears about Kabadlubavitch. So it's not simply opening books and then writing down citations or studying this and that in some remote archive. It's also about direct-- like I said, direct experiences that we might have. Now, Jerry Kushner, the fact that he also had that massive office in Manate and 666, everybody, oh, 666, not a number of the beasts. It's not only the number of the beasts. It is also 1666, the year in which Jacob Frank was not alive yet, but there was Shabbat Isavi who was forced by the Sultan to embrace Islam. And his successor, Jacob Frank, also had some Islamic elements though he of course played the same role within Catholicism and then Christianity to get the whole of the Shabbatian, Frank's movement to infiltrate-- first infiltrate Islam. Then they spread their tentacles first through Catholicism and then after into the Protestant world. And that is the infiltration. But the Habad-Luba which movement is born out of Catholicism. And Catholicism was basically infiltrated, especially because they were all those Ashkenaz-- it was mainly in the Ashkenazic community, or Eastern Europe, that this happened. So anything about one thing, where does Zionist come from? The actual movement from Teodor Ersel. OK? Me, let me see. people like to talk. I like to show what is this? This is the Wikipedia of Zionism. Now very few people have the encyclopedia of Zionism. When you open this book, the first space you see is of course, the order of Ersen. Okay. Now, the order of Ersen, where does he come from? You guys, me a question, where does he, I believe he came from Austria, if I'm not mistaken. And who has came from Austria? A number of people, you're pertaining to the movement. I mean, obviously, Adolf Hitler came from from Austria. Stens family came from Austria. Yeah. Some of the Rothschilds came from Austria. So you see, it's like they all converge and then around that period in which other feature was that in Austria, we have the foundation of the auto-temporianities by Tell the O'Rourke and another individual. And then at the same time, there is also another Templar organization which was also created. Always within this milieu, the philosophical people, they also feel so was the one that used for the first time this Vastika. I mean, Franz Atman used this Vastika that inspired Adolf Hitler. Then you have, think about these connections, they're fascinating, you think about it. Who created the two legacieshaft? And what was the two legacieshaft? There was a secret society that basically laid the foundations for Adolf Hitler. But who created it? It was a lodge, a lodge of the racist German and Orden and one expects the thing to come from from Germany. Well, the guy in charge is the Nobel France and the Baton Doth, who is also was given later on a Turkish citizenship, was initiated in the island of Salonika, then the Saloniki, which was a Sabati and Frank Spastia. And it was initiated by the Telmudi family, was a Sabati and Frank, so the basis of Nazism is there. It's actually coming from the same, it's so like, pushed, no? The Odererzel, like I explained in my book on Jeffrey Epstein, is the guy who gave the name to Tel Aviv with his, you know that? The name Tel Aviv. He gave the name one of his novels, Tel Aviv. And what does he talk about in this novel? Talks about a play about who? Sabati is heavy. So when we go and then in my book, of course, I bring back the history of, you know, people now say Christian Zionism. It's the product of 19th century, this and that. Christian Zionism, I bring you back for a hundred years to show you what is Christian Zionism. It comes out of the Puritans who were behind the father of Shabbat Isaiah. I actually show you the first guy who theorized the return of the Jews in Israel. This guy, followed by his other guy, Mena Sheben Israel, who became the ambassador of the Jews for Oliver Cromwell. So it is very important that historically we are accurate. Unfortunately, you have to have a memory that, and plus you have to also cross reference different, let's say, I mean, the religious subject then meets the theological substance, but then you have also the political and geopolitical involvement. These are all things. Because in the academic world, every specialization is divided and sectoralized and compartmentalized. It's very difficult that you find an academic which knows the whole thing. That's why then you might have the professor one of the situation, but he can only scratch the surface because he might not have the theological capacity or other to study this and that to dig much deeper in the subjects. So I think that it's very interesting that in my book here, I show another participant of the very early days of the two legacies shelf and he's a guy that, I mean, this guy is fabulous. He's amazing. He's a character for a film. Never a film was made about him because he's got forbidden. They show one of this. So who do you think is this guy? I mean, what kind of look does this guy have? And what? Yeah. Wow. He kind of looks like putting a little bit. It was like a 19th century picture obviously that's not him. But in his last period of his life, in Yaths, you're Strabisch Selincon was a Buddhist monk actually became a harbot of a Buddhist monastery. Before that, he was an English politician without being English. He was an Anglican priest and he was, of course, an Hungarian Sabatean Frankus Zhu. He was, we d'adolf Hitler in the early days of the two legacies society and was involved in the very foundation of the Nazis. In fact, when he was in the Far East and he threatened Hitler to reveal some of the secrets he knew about him. The Japanese took him out and he died during an operation. He never came out alive of that operation because he was threatening out of it. Out of it, out of it, there was, of course, a lightly, the Japanese, the Japanese had control over all of Asia at the time. And that was the moment which he signed this execution order. But that is a typical guy from the Sabatean Frankus, to nobody knows. But if you go and study his bio, it's amazing. It's like international man of mystery or like other people like that. And then in my book, I referenced these people, the Agnieli family, the Elfkan family and for singing. Sorry. I think you had Orcini in there too, if I'm not mistaken. No, I have other members of the Black Mobility side. Actually, this is a Sabatean Frankus Bank. This is a member of the Black Mobility, this one here. This is from the Elkan family, which is a very old Sabatean Frankus family that goes back to France and to Frankfurt, of course. Now, the interesting thing is that the whole thing about Elkan and Agnieli came out in the last batch of the Epstein fights, in which he said, "The Jeffrey Epstein was desperate to meet John Elkan." And when I put him in my book, everybody said, "Who is this guy? Who is this guy?" Well, the last batch of the Epstein fights, this is the guy that Jeffrey Epstein wanted to absolutely have something to do with because he's the head of Stellantis. Stellantis is Chrysler, Fier, Ferrari, and everything else. The fairs are the maker in the world, aside from being the owner of the Economist that he brought from Epstein's friend Linda Rothschild. So you see these people are all, and then they are also related by blood with the Rothschild, one of them married the Rothschild. So it's all about a very close circuit of people and it's a club and if you're not part of it, you're not part of it. But because I will brought up in that club, I saw it with my own eyes. And it's a bit different, so the thing is I could have stayed silent and probably become a millionaire. I didn't have to do much to just become a millionaire, just me. They would have given me 50 companies like this. I got offered 50 companies one day and millions on the table. And I rejected them. Like that. To have the freedom I have today. So I'm very proud of that. Some people will call me an idiot. But that is, I think, when I saw what Tiger Carson has said lately that he hasn't taken any money from anybody. I hope that's the truth. Because if that's the truth, then definitely he is a freedom fighter. Well, I guess we'll see from there. I real quick wanted in light of time. I wanted, I had a few questions from the audience. I'd like to get your thoughts on the first one is from Colin K. He's asking if you could provide any information or thoughts regarding the pilgrim society. Also, if you have ever encountered Rudolph, Steiner's work and throw positive. I'm talking about the figure society. Sure. Okay. In regards to the anthropocopical society, Rudolf von Steyn, Rudolf Stein, I don't want to go from, but they come from the same milieu. Because let's remember that they were all theosophists. Then at one point Rudolf Stein had broke from theosophie. I think after the death of Madame Blavowski, he didn't probably like the work that I was conducted by, who was Annie Bessar, who stepped in and took over the. But Rudolf Stein, created his own system, though it's based on Rosacrucianism, it's based also, it has emisonic element because they were chartered with Egyptian rights. However, it is said that when Rudolf Stein had discovered that there were people within the OTO that let Alice Cercrori, he was opposed. So he seemed to have had some genuine. some genuineity about him, about his vision of things. Though after his death, the whole anthropocopical society got taken over gradually by Jesuits. And I mean, you are talking also about the Montessori. I mean, it's about also education because you have the Montessori schools. You have anthropocopical society and the Montessori schools. So it's a lot of. It's a lot to say about Rudolf Stein because I think that. he might have had some elements, positive elements. But unfortunately, he was still dealing with things that were manifesting from a very bad source because the philosophical society is actually at the roots of modern Satanism. So it's like. So if I say that, it's really like polishing a third. It's not gonna ever be polished. Though he kind of wanted to bring it back to a more Christian Western mystery school orientation rather than with the philosophical society, emerging yourself in. Like with this strong Hindu element, an Eastern religious element that, of course, was present there with Madame Blavaschi. But apparently even the philosophical society after the death of Madame Blavaschi was soon after infiltrated by the Jesuits, like I wrote in my books. So the Jesuits were always very knowledgeable about all these new religious movements and stuff. And. So I think that is very important to say. - Gotcha. The next question that I have is from Nolio. What will you. - Not that I want to conclude by saying, just so it doesn't get me to understand. That those people who went to Montessori and Rudolf Steiner, World of Scouts, have a more holistic, a central alternative that actually has brought some positive elements to their life. So it's not like we have to throw everything away because in reality some, this is the Montessori system and the chindren and the way they learn things is not totally negative. That's why a lot of people in the elite, and remember, Sigil Berlusconi wrote a brief booklet once where he stated that he sent his chindren to this kind of school because he wanted them to have a different approach. - Gotcha. And then the next question I have from a guest is, what will Europe look like in five years' time if you can speculate with us? - Europe is definitely a dying society because first of all they are old. They are 500 million, but most of them are old. They're not producing any chindren. They are getting invaded by a culture and a religion that dislikes their foundation and that's Islam. I'm not saying that Islam is negative, but Islam in its major eastern setup maybe is different from the Islam that we find in Europe where it never really integrates and where you have second of the first generation, Muslims who have not find that integration then rebel to that society. So I think that we will have great problems with Islam and with the spread of, because there is, at the moment, this Italy for example, or other societies in Europe are not producing a chindren. They are simply taking on these immigrants from a completely different background. Europe is a Judeo-Christian reality, like Rassinger said. Rassinger when he made his famous speech, he of course there were riots in the street and the Muslims were like completely unbezarko and he attacked, but the thing is that Europe is a Judeo-Christian reality. And this, you know, this, and this, including the United Kingdom, because the United Kingdom in the 1950s, I explain in Volume 10 of my confessions, they were searching for a way out of the, you know, they wanted to establish their society very quickly, they needed people to work. And so they had this empire that was falling apart and then at that point, they offered the possibility for millions of Muslims to come into their country. And now, yes, the country was rebuilt, but they almost feel the guilt for having, you know, being this colonial power in the past. And for that reason, so you were mentioning also in the question the Pilgrim Society, which is very exclusive, you know, elite top diplomats, politician things, is definitely a very important element because the membership of the Pilgrim Society has seen people like Margaret Tachir, like Karrikis, who was a somebody in Frankist. So here is pretty clear, you know, when you talk about the Pilgrim Society, you have to also understand that what I stated earlier on, you know, the people who came here, the first people to come to the United States of America with the Mayflower, who were they? They were not simply Christians, they were Puritans. Now those Puritans laid the foundations together with Oliver Cromwell and with Menace Benisrael for what we now call Christian Zionism. It was almost like you needed to go, first of all, Oliver Cromwell, Menace Benisrael, made the Jews go back to England where they had been banned from the whole of Great Britain for several centuries. And then after that, the next stop was going back to Israel. But they needed somehow somebody, a Messianic figure. "Tach, the father of Shabbat Azavi used to work for the English Puritans." So, apparently the sun turns out to be the Messiah of the Jews. And it's the first group to invite the Jewish, I mean the Jewish people are on the world to go back to Israel. Did you know that? The sun, the sun, the sun is most the first. And so, the factor that in the big green society, you had the families act in Morgan, the warburg, the rock fell there. I mean, it's always the same people. It's like always the same people. It's just, it's like if we had to go back in time, I would love to go and visit the off and back court of Jacob Frank, because it was there that the future banking capital of the world was established. And when is it that, for example, the European bank has their headquarters? Oh, like Brussels. I might know, I'm off. I think that Frankfurt is the place. for the business and for the money in Europe. The process is for the cheat chat, for the, let's say for the pariah, for the show, for the political theater. Mm. Gotcha. And then I have a couple other questions. Peggy is asking, are people being cloned if so, how? Okay. The situation with cloning, it's obvious. There is cloning, it's conducted even at the time we are speaking in places like China, legally, so they can maybe live longer and do all that kind of thing. But I don't support this whole thing about people completely substituted by clones from one day to another, you know, this thing. Cloning today is done. And we saw when there was a hot mic moment between we was a Putin and Xi Jinping talking about how they're gonna live for a long long, you know, why? Because they have the possibility of doing that. In China, you can grow organs. And actually you can take organs from anybody who cares their Chinese. So I mean, that's how it works there. It's not like, and so I don't give so much importance yet to a conspiracy of cloned substituting the real people because the real people want to stay in charge, believe me. Eventually they won't substitute and maybe parts of their body. That is something possible. And actually what, because we know that, you know, Epstein was fixated with Creonix, with coming back to life with the Virginis. And he was fixated also with uploading his brain to, you know, to the AI basically. What they aim is immortality. In fact, I talking about five major rituals in the history of humanity. And the last ritual is the one that was envisioned also by Epstein and by all the others to upload their brains so they could be immortal. Because that is always being the constant mantra of the rich and powerful. Rich and powerful want immortality. And any charlatan from back in the days was talking about immortality and chemical portions to obtain immortality. But he was talking about science rather than fiction. - Sure. - Okay. And then I have from Tony and Ciso. He's asking any comments that you have as relates to the Skull and Dagger Honor Society at USC as well as the independent Order of Odd Fellows. Order of gesture too. - Yeah, that is kind of, okay. Skull and Dagger, okay. It's, when we are talking about the odd pharaohs is more interesting. And it's more interesting in relation to what we have just discussing for a reason. The founders of the Bnidebreath were offered to open a new lodge of the Odd Fellows. They refused and in turn ended up founding the Bnidebreath which became much more influential later. The Odd Fellow is at the moment a reme, how you say, something that is, it's something that is left over from the golden age of the Secret Society, the fraternal Secret Society, let's say, of fratern, which we of course have still also in the universities. And the Skull and Dagger comes from that, it's like a Skull and bones or like a group, it's part of that contest. Now, still some of them are influential, some others no longer influential. - Gotcha. And then any comments on the order of gesture and orange order? - Same thing. Here we are talking about a media, the Paramasonic Secret Society that based, you mentioned a moment ago, the Skull and Dagger, honor society, which is just as bad probably, but maybe not as relevant as the Skull and bones. Then you have these other groups, which are not really within, let's say, they're not the university linked fraternities, but rather instead, more connected to a political reality. Because like I explained in Bolognese, you can have secret societies of a political nature or religious nature, secret societies that, for example, I mean, when, for example, you have these fraternities, the secret societies within the universities, they are involved with the elite bringing up an elite within that university, it becomes a way for the members to later on aid the child, help each other, and make sure that they will be influential also. Then it depends also from the way these societies are being. I mean, the Skull and Bones is typical of that kind of environment, where you go there, spend a whole night in a coffin, confess all your darkest secret, masturbating, franch of a bunch of strangers, but you share, basically your most intimate moment and your most intimate thoughts with people who then will bind with you for the rest of your life. So that is the concept here. But the last two, you mentioned the orange, no? - That's correct, yeah. - Yep. - That was just the order of gesture and order of orange. - Okay, the order is there is simply an inner order and order that recruits from Freemasonry, okay? And so they, it's almost like a more elite group that they of course is not the Shriners, but the Shriners are also recruiting from Freemasonry with the same kind of concept. The orange, it's different, that is more political, let's say. - Gotcha, gotcha. Well, I appreciate you making the time to answer those questions, Leo, how can people learn more about you as well as getting touch with you? - Go on leonsagami.com, then you can read about me about, you can read my articles. And you can find also the links to my latest books. And I think that today we pretty much covered everything, I think so too. We covered a number of topics. I mean, there's always more to talk about, I guess, but I thought you dispensed a lot of great interesting insights and I'm sure we'll reconnect here soon. And yeah, I mean, the important thing that people need to understand, the secret societies that are influential and that are influential because they have set the members will never come and promote themselves on the internet as they illuminate. That has been from volume one of my confession, one of my main warnings. There is a lot of scammers that are actually recruiting from the internet, people who are other naive. I remember one guy said, Leo, they offered me this diploma and I spent $2,000 and then I discovered they was from Nigeria. There is a lot of scams, a lot of people, I mean, now I don't know if they're still ongoing, but they were very popular at least 10 years ago, there was a boom of them all over the internet and there were people that were thinking that suddenly, they received a message, they were actually recruiting people on their social networks. And suddenly, the people were saying, "Oh, Leo, they offered me to join the Lumina." And I was like, come on. How can you be so naive? You don't get offered to join an important organization of sorts through the internet in that kind of way. And then who are you? I said, do you have more than a billion in your bank account? Because then the offer might be genuine. If you don't even have a thousand dollars in your bank account, then forget about it. Ah, but I have the blood line. I have my sister who was a free man. Forget about it. What do you have now in your book? Who do you influence? What is your own in society? And a lot of people, unfortunately, are very naive. And they think that suddenly, they can join the Mickey Mouse Club of Swords and become powerful, rich and powerful. It doesn't work that way. They recruit people within the elite. And it happens. And we saw it also in the case of Jeffrey Epstein. But definitely, they don't do it in a public way. They're very secretive about it. Very, very secretive about it. And plus, they need to be really a background there that is of interest for them. And it's not simply because you have the blood line. It's also where if this blood line still carries on some relevance, do you still have a castle? Or you don't have a castle? Now, if you are a bankrupt aristocrat in Europe with an old castle, you can still have relevance. Why? Because maybe some rich person from America wants to marry into your blood line, so they can have that image with the castle. Maybe they made their money with a bunch of supermarkets in South Carolina or something like that. They don't have, though, the blood. I remember one thing, when I came to America the first time, I was 12 years old. My grandmother was a course member of the elite. Felicity Mason, you can go and find a wiki pedign. You can see she was also during the Second World War with my grandfather, who both involved in military intelligence. And she was involved in translating she was an expert in cryptology for the communication between the British Prime Minister and the American President. So the highest level of security in the whole planet. Then later on, she worked for Felicity in the Firelli. She was also an artist. She worked also as a PR for William Barr, but she was a person that told me about the kind of eyeswet shop parties. And I would say, "What? Do they do that?" Yes, they were all naked. They were in a castle in France, and they were all like, "You know, but they were all naked." And we were having dinner, and then we had drinks, and then this happened. I would say, "What the heck is people sick?" But that's how it is. It's a reality. And on top of that, there is also other personal stories that I could be telling you for the rest of the day. But there is definitely a reality that they come and folk doesn't know about. And they don't even seem to want to know about, because when you start talking about certain matters, regarding the energies spread within a no-cult environment, to reach out to this and that and all the other, they will tell you, "We don't believe in this garbage." Well, it's what I said in my article on the Zodiac Lab, the billionaires believe in astrology, not the millionaires, the billionaires. And it's important to understand that. That's what I've been hearing. So, they will reflect the attention of the general population in a way that the people, they are like, "Okay, we are not interested in this stuff. This is focus." The population needs to be dumbed down to believe that this is focus-poise. So, they then can enact their own rituals and their own beliefs without anybody disturbing them. And when I came here, over the first time when I was 12, I was brought to Rhode Island. And you can imagine what kind of elite there was there in Rhode Island. And suddenly they have made a big, excused party in this very excused mansion only to receive my mother because she was related to the Queen. And suddenly, they said, "Lio, if you want, in the future you can marry this daughter, this other daughter of this, this and this other gentleman." And they were the most powerful people in America. And they wanted simply the bloodline. But there wasn't like a theory or bloodline. It was a practical bloodline that gave them immediate visibility. And everybody, remember what a party, I didn't go because, of course, I was too young to go. So, another left me there with a babysit. But everybody, partissiant to the pay paid a thousand dollars. It was 1982. You know how much is a thousand dollars? 1982 for each participant only to have dinner with my mother. I was just shocked about that kind of thing. So, I went to this place after. I entered it and looked like an old European mansion. And the owner said, "We brought every single stone of this mansion. We moved it literally from Europe to Rhode Island." That's it. So, I think I gave you some exclusivities for today's chat. Or thoughts? Absolutely. He absolutely will Leo. Great chat. Thanks for your time. And we'll be in touch. Are the best. Thanks for tuning in. And if you enjoyed the show, I encourage you to like, share, and follow if you found value in it. I also have a new show called "Markets with Christian White," which is exclusively focused on the financial markets. If that is something of interest to you, I encourage you to check that out. And I always look forward to hearing your feedback and thoughts. 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