If YOU Think Clancy Trial was Already INSANE, Watch This... | Julian Dorey

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Like, you know, Palo, big mistake getting on her bad side because she don't give up. So this was actually a very under the radar filing that happened. That inner city press, and I don't remember this guy's name. I have seen him for years, though. This guy, inner city press, is it Matthew Russell Lee? That's him? Yeah. Okay. Shout out to this guy. Whenever there is any kind of case, and I mean, if someone took a shit on Fifth Avenue in the wrong place and it is being brought up in the Southern District of New York, this guy's in the courtroom and he like he's always on it. In fact, I looked once before every time there's like even some case with like a little bit of media attention, he will instantly publish like self-publish, you know, an 80, 100 page book about it. I don't know how many he has, but he has like a lot. So he's just on it with what's happening in court and obviously has some great sources in the clerk's office there. You know, pure spec. Anyway, he was able to find that a UN rape case was filed civilly. So a civil case alleging rape filed by Victoria Drake against Palos and Poli. I want to highlight this is civil, not criminal, and it's allegations not confirmed. Just covering that for the back end. But it was filed with United Nations ambassadors cited in it. So he put a screenshot to the filing and then D, if you pulled it up already, but that article just so I get it. So a woman named Victoria Drake on September 3rd filed a lawsuit against Palos and Poli. And she was able to find that a U.N. rape case filed against Palos and Poli in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, where Intercity Press found it. He found it, Joey Deef. Let's go. Now, how do you think he found? Do you think like, you think maybe someone like just let a copy of it blow in the wind while they were taking a smoke break and just turned around like nothing happened and then he came out of the shadows and just like picked it up, took a picture and reported it and like that's how they do it? No. No. This guy's Batman. He's Batman. Yeah. Matthew Russell Lee. He disarmed a couple of people. Oh, he subdued them? Oh, he disarmed them. I think he like broke into the office, hit a couple of file cabinets. Wait, so they were guarding this civil case with people armed with weapons? Yeah, they guard the office with the filing cabinets in it. And he had to like go and subdue them like Batman. Now, are we talking like handguns in the holster? Are we talking like full-blown like Uzis in the office? There's probably one with an AR, one with just a handgun and a donut, but he's going at both of them full force. He's like, I'm gonna get this file. Yeah, you know, like how Batman doesn't kill anybody, but he'll like break their clavicle and everything in them. Yeah, like paralyze them. That's what he's doing. He's paralyzing all the clerks. And then he's just like going, he's flipping through the files and he's like, and you're gonna love me. Yeah, that's right. So before alleging rape, the complaint recounts that Zampoli, quote, invited plaintiff, referring to Victoria Drake, her friend and two junior UN ambassadors to his townhome, which is where at different points for long periods, Amanda lived with him and then also was getting away from him. Too. So maybe he was getting lonely at this point and decided to go commit crimes. I don't know. Pure spec anyway, but address is omitted by inner city press. Nice of him to do that, but it is publicly available. People can Google that. I'm not going to say it's classy, a sprawling multi-floor residence that housed multiple tenants and contained a situation room, ambassador room, at least one elevator and featured a pool and adjacent bedroom. So Joey, if I do have to say this, if I were a major modeling executive and I were designing like my dream home in Manhattan, wherever. Every square foot costs fucking $40 million. There is no doubt in my mind that before I looked at the master bedroom, before I looked at like the master bathroom, the kitchen, what do they call the place where you walk in? The foyer. The foyer. Before I look at any of that, I'm going up to whatever fucking construction guys running this. And first off, I got to check in and be like, yo, when Mario with the Columbo's, he's cool. He's good. Yeah, he's going to be a quick union job when he's out of there. Yeah. So once we clear it with Mario. And all that. Now I go to construction guy, hopefully his legs aren't broken at this point from fight with Mario, but neither here nor there. And he's got like that full page in front of him, kind of like Danny Jones when he drew out the studio. Like the blueprint? Yeah, he's got the blueprint. Right. He's got the blueprint. Thanks for the help. Of course. So he's got the blueprint in front of him. And I go, no, no, no. Stop at all those rooms. The most important room, the first place that we are designing here is the situation room. Because as a modeling executive, these are matters of national security and I need a situation room. Yeah, but you got to remember, Paolo Zampolli is a. And so he probably was like, sorry, I'll mark that. I forget that I'm one so I can say it, but you know, he probably was like on that Jersey shore shit and he's like, we got situation. And he was like, yo, we got to make a situation room. And I think the checks out. The problem is he would never say it like that. 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Peace out yo. pure spec he just hears like a bunch of wrangling in the house and pots and pans flying around and then he's just like on grand theft auto just with a bat oh by the way this just reminded me before i forget people asking for the pure spec merch we have it ready to go joey d's been all over it yeah but uh we're having a little problem with snap inc like snapchat yeah who is threatening litigation on my trademark of pure spec look forward to seeing them in court me versus a fucking i don't know 46 trillion dollar fucking company but you know what could go wrong right it's it's such bullshit though like they're claiming it for like their spec lenses or whatever yeah we have pure spec meaning speculation it has absolutely nothing to do with that it's not to be confused with that the context is all there i feel like i got a good case here i'm talking to my trademark attorney who fucking bills me two thousand dollars of text he's really good though very worth it yeah and maybe you know and stuff like that it's like first of all you know no one's i mean everyone is gonna get the meta glasses and like you know i don't hear anyone rushing to get those and then it'll be done in two years they won't make them anymore that's right you know i i don't i don't i don't know why they're they're causing an issue but they should give us a filter for the show that's right that's right give us a filter give us a snap filter and then maybe maybe we'll talk about cutting you in maybe yeah i don't know probably not but like i'll at least say that you got you throw us a bone maybe you get a little one right anyway i there's a bunch of stuff here deep i think some of it we're gonna punt to next week that because it's it's fine it's not like pressing to do but one that i have to hit before we move on here i just i i can't miss my mark on this one is our friend - Yeah, yeah. Ladies and gentlemen. the head of the fbi is a reek pun intended here you'll see where i'm going with that in a minute i've said it forever i'm not just talking about his eyes that don't know which direction they want to look at any given moment i'm saying it because he is genuinely fully dyed in the wool and this is all a meme at this point a meme of the fbi which the fbi already was having some low moments here i mean we can look at a history and talk about low moments but then you could look through some things in history and be like well maybe there's plenty of people there with good intentions and you know some okay things happen a little entrapment here and there a little cover-up here and there don't don't worry about that but you could say that some justice occurred jim comey comes in at some point and it seems to all go to shit a lot of people who maybe were i don't know decent fbi agents thief seemed to leave the fbi after that and then it was just a fucking mess for a whole litany of reasons in the wake of jim comey and so you think to yourself it can't get worse it can't get worse donald trump's gonna come in here and clean everything up right joey deep that's what he told everyone he's gonna do yeah and he could think of no one to clean that place up better just look at that guy dude there's another reason we're laughing there but yeah and now he's great he definitely was the cool guy in high school for sure no doubt about it but kash patel is in the news yet again and just keeps adding to the list of like reason to get fired and still somehow doesn't get fired because apparently when you are the fbi director these days your priority is pr on twitter x whatever you want to say so you pull up this uh text conversation you found joey deep yeah or you know what actually go back for one sec you were right i'm wrong yeah we got to go back and do this again and do this again and do this so we got to read the context first so people have it so kash patel wanted fbi staff and and this is not hyperbole we're going to read the text in a second kash patel wanted fbi staff to run an influence campaign on x by replying to epstein tweets with bureau stats he then asked his spokesman to reply to reply to and this is a real account on twitter that's pretty funny and at least from what i've seen the the at i find retweet post saying it had gotten 277k responses you know how you know he's tapped in on social media he said he's he's abbreviating the k yeah like he knows what's up he's like yo it's at 277k bro yeah that's a problem that's a problem that gets to 350 we out right his spokesman corrected him and said it had 277k views i'm sorry he's not good at social media he just thinks he is and just 400 replies that's not a lot he also warned that engaging quote would look bad on you referring to kash patel so here is the text message with ben williamson fbi public affairs who god bless whoever got this this is how secure our fbi is text messages with the head of public affairs or whatever he is and the head of our fbi are coming public so there's a link at the top this is from february 5th 2026 kash patel is at the blue text so he is sending this link meaning he's actively on his twitter during the day do we have a time stamp on that deep yeah 242 p.m so all right let's let's game this out joey he's at his desk at the just came back from lunch he's hammered he's because he's gonna have a few cocktails at lunch and he's like you know what this fbi director is going to take these epstein cats down and finally once and for all prove that there was no foul play because this fbi director is hammered off whiskey and so he sat at his desk popped an upper decky he's got he's got his in that yeah he threw his in in is he wearing the fbi jacket the windbreaker no he wears a wife beater in the office but it's like it's like it's like a wife beater that at the end of the day he takes it off and throws it on the chair and then washes at the end of the week so like if it's like thursday it's got like some stains like a little bit of a little curry sweat on it yeah scurvy that's right yeah that's right yeah okay so he's not wearing the windbreaker but he's got the windbreaker hanging up behind him right yeah yeah yeah you could see it like if he's on a zoom doing an interview with fox news yeah yeah yeah he's in the fbi yeah and he has like one of those like um it's like something it's similar to a tuxedo t-shirt but like but it looks like he's wearing his fbi stuff if that makes sense does it have like a like a little seal on it yeah yeah that's what i was thinking yeah just in case he has to take a zoom right doesn't wear pants you don't need pants on zoom no he's not he's a gunan no he's not good no no no no no don't do that he's trying to put in an honest day's work but you know apparently he's got a very good relationship so yeah he got hammered at lunch he didn't goon you know he comes back from lunch fbi jacket's hanging up behind he's wearing the fbi like fake t-shirt kind of thing in case he's got to go on zoom just in case he's maybe like four sheets to the wind we won't talk about that but he's got a good constitution constitution constitution constitution so you know just don't look at him at him at the olympics after he flew on a private fbi plane to get there neither here nor there but he's sitting there and he's like looking through twitter because that's what you do when you're the head of the fbi you look at a page called at i find reach and you're like this is 400 replies too many he's like oh about our epstein investigation which is absolutely ridiculous i don't know if you've ever read epstein's investigation which is absolutely ridiculous i don't know if you've ever read epstein's investigation which is absolutely ridiculous i don't know if you've ever read epstein's investigation which is absolutely ridiculous i don't know if you've ever read it's absolutely ridiculous i don't know if you've ever read epstein's investigation which is absolutely unimpeachable it's been done so well there's been zero cover-up of it in fact the trans it's so transparent your head's gonna fucking spin yeah and they are lying about us and my job as the head of the fbi and the government i cash patel i'm obviously i'm playing this out i'm not actually cash patel i cash patel need to fight back against this and i need to employ what is this guy called again the fbi public affairs head ben williamson i need to deploy him into the comment sections to make sure the people know yep the hard and good work the fbi is doing yep does that say 2026 or 2025 2026 okay so it's 2026 so there's no more bongino no it's got no more dan in there he's fresh to the job too he's feeling good yeah it's good to see that to get a good start at his new job he's doing stuff on twitter that's you know it's good that's right heads in the right place he probably still has like dan on like speed dial so you can call him up and like i don't know if you've ever read epstein's investigation which is absolutely that's like his console yeri on the outside that's true that's true and just reaffirm everything he does so that dan can go tell all 10 of his listeners who still listen to him all about it anyway so he sends this link to the at i find reach account and ben williams said ben williamson says this is in quote epstein didn't kill himself i think i actually have to mark that thief unfortunately the youtube yeah unquote bot account if you're wondering where that's coming from and then cash says three texts back to back to back 277k responses are not bots when i asked you and your team what i asked you and your team to do is find them and post on record our record year results back at them all continuously he wants a continuous barrage fbi working yeah locking people up doing everything not covering up the epstein files he says have they been doing that ben williamson replies that's views it's 400 responses a real visible tweet gets 5x that and then cash patel responds to yes or he responds to cash's previous tweet and says yes we're not responding to quote i find reach that would look bad on you cash patel then comes in and says it's not about them it's about the number of views yeah it's about sending a message yeah it's not about the money yeah no he's got it anyway because people see it and need to be seeing our stats yeah gotta see those stats dog he's great dude dog dog dog dog you know i've always said i've said this forever i'll say it till i'm blue in the face every administration needs to be judged on its own merits you want to sit out there and you want to say the biden administration was completely incompetent i completely agree with you you're right they were didn't even know what time of day it was he definitely didn't know what time of day it was the trump administration is the same thing in a whole bunch of different ways i mean there will be an episode like we've been collecting some links on just some of the like we've talked about some of the inside business deals that have been going on there throughout the administration there are so many more so i think in an episode in a couple weeks we'll go through some of them because we've literally been collecting them and it's just laughable you have a guy like this running running air quotes the fbi and like i'm supposed to take the country fucking seriously and by the way you know shout out to the people at fbi who probably actually care about their job because there are some of those people there like the fact that they're sitting here and this is their boss god bless him man i mean better person than me when there's six of them it's hard dude yeah It's a small group. Hey, to the six of you out there, keep doing what you're doing. we're proud of you the taxpayer thanks you yeah all right that's that's all i gotta say about that there's like four there we'll do those yeah we'll get those so we'll mark that but we do need to talk about the clancy thing like i said there's a reason i wasn't doing this out front it is something that continues to be in the news and is a unfortunately a forced cultural phenomenon that you know some of the opinions certainly have to be addressed so i have a lot of links there deep of like just some different things that happened this week that kind of are exactly what i thought they were going to be that proved the point but i do want to say as i said at the outset a lot of people reached out this week some through public comments of course and then a lot through dms you know i'm sure like they were doing a lot of people on social media who i think were having good times saying you know thanks for at least stating the obvious here and then there was a small sliver of people who are like yo you're totally missing this whatever some were a little more innocent than others i think and just severely misguided others i think were frankly totally brainwashed and obviously those are all private people i'll keep that out of it but i did see some of those dms i think only it is worth noting i think only one of them came from a man any dms i got like that came from a woman do with that what you will but we are on a pathway right now of suicidal empathy when you live in a society where you can't put at the forefront a five-year-old a three-year-old and an infant as the key victims in a case you are living in a society that is on a pathway to complete destruction that is not a hot take at all that is about as objective you can get with something that is technically an opinion i do have to say that because it is my opinion i don't want to live in a country where yes you have to put the burden of proof on the government to prove a case but i don't want to live in a country to where before the government even opens their mouth in a case that is very very clear in my opinion you are already assuming that there's no possible way the person across there could have committed the crime i understand that when you look at lindsey clancy you see like this you know petite seemingly innocent looking i should say white woman that you know was a mother to three kids and no one ever thought she was a monster before this and yada yada yada or whatever and you know she seems like someone you could empathize with as well but it's not true and i don't think there's any way she could have ever done this in her right mind but the fact of the matter is evil has a way of disguising itself in a really good looking mask sometimes and you gotta judge things on the merits and so last week before we knew anything about these jurors who were kind enough to come forward this week and basically confirm all my i already thought we had 11 people who were completely broken in how they looked at the situation i got firm confirmation on that week when they were here to open their mouths but so many people have continued to argue online that patrick clancy did this which goes against every piece of evidence imaginable this is a man who left the house at approximately 5 p.m did not return until 609 they have him on security camera footage they have his cell phone tracked they have her tracked in some cases with the phone call that went to her during the time she very clearly executed her plan i really did not mean a pun there at all that's that's really mean i didn't mean that like she did her plan where she killed her children not one not two but all three with an exercise band for some reason people want to say that the whole thing was psychosis you can hold two thoughts at the same time people you can say and you should and i said this last week but let me just be crystal clear on this you can say that like we need to have a better medical system we need to have a better system for being able to help young mothers after they have a child we need to remove this stigma around postpartum depression we need to have a better medical system for being able to take a look at the way that doctors administer drugs like they're going out of business we need to look at the options of drugs that they can administer maybe some of them shouldn't even be options at all all these things are true i'm not arguing that like the system failed her i will argue with people saying her husband completely failed her in every facet are there things that he fell short on sure let the person who's perfect be the first to throw a stone from a glass house though this is a guy who moved his home office back into his place you know went to appointments with her tried to get her help i could nitpick it and say there's some things he didn't do for sure no one's perfect and the fact that then the guilt goes towards him when he's a father who lost all his kids is just so fucking fucked up and i'm not coming off that that's crazy to me it's absolutely fucking crazy to me and i'm not coming off that that's crazy to me and i'm not coming off that that's crazy to me on your experts. I bring on mine. They agree to find different conclusions or whatever. It's one of those things. It's just a part of how the case works. It makes it messy. It makes it incentivized because experts are paid witnesses as well, you know, but the state's witness determined that she was not in psychosis. And again, you can put on the act later. Kevin Reddington came up with this postpartum defense later. This wasn't the defense when she was arrested. And I do want to play that real quick, right off, right out of the gate here. So under the Reddington section, you see the one that's green. There's a lot of clips where Kevin, his first name is Kevin, right? I'm not fucking that up. It's Kevin Reddington. I think so. Did my brain just fuck up short? I just always call him Reddington. No, no, it's Kevin. Okay. All right. So there's a lot of clips over the past couple of weeks of not only the defense attorney and you have all the time in the world to go make this case. And I'm talking even before the trial, when you're at the pretrial hearings and everything, and like, you know, you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to be able to do it. And so eventually it comes down to, okay, are we going to argue guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity? Which means in both cases, it's like an admission. And I'll put that in air quotes that she actually did it. There's no fucking way the guy would triple down so hard on not only defending that in court, but also openly saying there were some times where he danced around it, but eventually he openly was saying that not only does he think it's ridiculous, all the conspiracy theories against power, but he's also openly saying that he's not going to be able to do it. Patrick Clancy, but that like Lindsay supports him and that he was a supportive husband of her and everything. And like, it's clear that he did not do this. So let's, let's, let's play this, this second video right there. There's a lot of videos I could play. I don't, I don't want to play too many of them, but this one right here from one of his recent interviews after the case was listed as a mistrial. Well, Kevin hasn't come out and really done a full-throated support of Patrick Clancy. I have repeated, repeatedly and did during the trial and prior to the trial, listen to the 911 call and the gut the public has not heard it. The jury, I understand that the judge made that ruling, but I've said repeatedly the gut wrenching horror that, that is in his voice. No actor in California could ever imitate that. It's, it's obvious that Patrick was a man who stood by his wife through all of the cruelty of the medical issues, the psychiatric issues, the pharmaceutical issues, even up to the time of trial and even afterwards. And the man ought to be able to move on with his life and stop with the speculation and horrific conspiracy allegations that he was involved with some massive conspiracies to kill his children. So what do you say to the people who are still pushing that theory that Patrick Clancy was involved in these children's murder? As I've said before, I think that it's horrific what this man is going through. Horrific. And he's entitled to move on with his life and the fact that he's moved on with his life and still is standing by Lindsay as far as the legal issues tells, tells the tale. Now there are going to be people there who can already see it. Well, he's, he's not saying directly that he definitely didn't do it. He's leaving the door open and he's just trying to set a public track. Listen, people, he's a defense attorney. He's always going to watch how he says every goddamn thing. Apparently he didn't look up how a pardon works. I did see that. He asked Trump for a fucking pardon. It's a state case. Maybe my lawyers can help me out with that, but I don't think that's really how it works. Anyway, but when it comes to the case, like the actual case, of course, he's why this is not a dumb attorney. This guy's a good attorney. He's watching every little thing he says, but he did this in, from what I counted, nine different interviews that I saw over just the last couple of days, which means there were way more where he was repeatedly and in different, some different words every time. Yeah. Saying this exact point. And he also, there was the prosecution, one place where they did do an excellent job during the case. And I think the prosecution, you know, they could have done a better job in, in, in plenty of spots, no doubt about that. But one place where they did do a very good job is laying out the minute by minute timeline in, in the husband's testimony, Patrick Clancy's testimony as to where he was at each point. So, you could determine that completely and not get arguments against it. And that at the end of the day appears to be an agreed upon outcome. And like I said, every juror went out of their way to say this. Now let's talk about those jurors though. I have often said in different contexts over the years, and it's, it's, it's a, it's a tough thing. Cause like juries are a key part of the American society. And I think that's a big part of the American society. And I think that's a big part of our system and our justice system, which has a lot of good to it. I obviously always point out a lot of problems with it, but when you compare it into the history of the world, there's a lot of good things about our system. But one unfortunate thing about it that I've often said cynically is that in many cases, not always, but in many cases, juries are comprised of people who are a little too dumb to get out of fucking jury duty. It's not hard to do. Okay. And you know, I shouldn't necessarily say that. I will hypocritically admit that it's not a nice thing to say in America because juries are a pillar of the system, but you know, people got busy lives and stuff. They don't always have time to sit there for fucking three months during a murder trial. I certainly would never be able to do it. And I'd be able to make that case very quickly when being called upon jury duty, like I would not be able to operate my business without me being here. And so there we go. But you know, there's other people who are like, not the worst thing in the world. A little paid time off. Yeah. Well, you know, lunch, lunch, get to sit here and play true crime. Yeah. Right. And one of the stories I've always cited, I don't know if you would want me to say his last name. I want to say his last name because it's kind of a flex as far as like what he did here. Cause I always thought it was the funniest fucking thing ever, but I have a friend named Tommy and I won't say his last name, but we're going to call him Tommy. And this guy, I'm trying to think of if I should change, change his geolocation. Let's just say this guy went way back with him. He's, he's a friend from college. He's one of those hilarious dudes. Who's way too good looking for his own good. Always getting the most women imaginable. And his whole shtick is like, he's kind of like an asshole, but it's like, assume that you have to understand that he's that because it's funny. And then you like him. And that means some people fucking hated him, but a lot of people fucking loved him and greatest guy ever. But anyway, Tommy is someone I would describe as a very macho heterosexual male. And he bought a shirt the first time he was called the jury duty. And he actually had to like show up to do it. So he, he, he goes out and buys this shirt and this guy's about six, three, six, four, a boxer decked deck the fuck up probably fucking 3% body. Fat. He buys a shirt that is about four to five sizes too small. So the sleeves are all the way up here. It is literally choking him out. And the shirt simply says, I heart my two dads. That motherfucker walked into the jury pool and within three minutes was struck and out of there for the simple fucking effort of going to a thrift shop and buying the gayest shirt imaginable at a time. And he's like, I'm going to go to the jury duty in this country. So when you see 12 people to get on the jury duty, they're not sending their best in many cases. Unfortunately, I hate that I'm saying that I really do, but I have said it before. And some people will grill me for that, but it is what it is. So when I saw these people come forward this week and do so with what I would call a vendetta in, in many of the cases towards the lone juror that seemed to hold out here, I was quite disappointed. So let's start with, I think my favorite of all of them. Juror number one, can we play the first clip of her saying, I would say the quiet part out loud, but there's really nothing quiet about this. I just want you guys to, to hear this so that I, you know, I'm not thinking I'm sitting here crazy hearing this and there's going to be, we got, we got a few clips here. Here we go. Juror one. Not sure if rogue is the right word. So, but every one of us in the hours of a frustration would get up and walk the room because you just couldn't sit. You got to walk and we'd all go with the exhibits. Um, he, he, I think got up to the car once very briefly and went back to his seat. Um, he would not, he would not interact with us. Um, and, and try to understand we read to him on numerous occasions, the definition of a reasonable doubt from judge sullivan's instruction he actually said one day in the end why don't we have the judge come in and read it again and we were like no we have it in front of us no we're gonna make that decision for you and we would highlight it and you know so and so this is the definition of a reasonable doubt but you have the hardest time getting off the fact that lindsey viciously killed her children he had the hardest time getting he had the hardest time getting off the fact that lindsey viciously killed his children bitch did you fucking play that back to yourself do you hear what you just said he had the hardest time getting off the fact that lindsey viciously killed her children i don't know maybe because she viciously fucking killed his children her children what the fuck are we doing here i knew that was coming i i that was one crash out i absolutely knew was coming because she's just beautiful let's play the next clip of this extremely smart high iq certainly not pressuring highfalutin woman who sat on your so i don't want to dwell too much on the autopsy photos but i want to ask because i think that it's obviously important that the violence that was was done was done on the autopsy photos but i want to ask because i think that it's obviously important that the violence that was was done on the autopsy photos was done on to the children was represented as they were the victims in this however from my perspective i thought they spent too much time the prosecution on the autopsy photos and i felt that it was unfair to you the jurors considering that the act had been admitted to what what was your reaction to the amount of autopsy photos that you had to see yeah i thought it was too much i thought the prosecution was just trying to get us to realize how horrific the whole thing was that's their job the whole thing was horrific but i think she they wanted to keep piling on the morbid pictures and the morbid part of it all which was not even what we were trying to just prove whether she knew what she was doing or she didn't know what she was doing when the asteroid gets sent i got the coordinates for you i got the coordinates god i just wherever yeah i don't mean that literally youtube don't strike me down for that it the prosecution it was a little too morbid it was too morbid for us it's morbid because the fucking bitch killed me i don't know what to do with it i don't know what to do with it i don't know what to do with it she killed all her kids what do you want them to do say yeah she killed him just take our word for it no in any murder case whether it's kids adults anything they show you all of the images i feel like i gotta get joseph scott morgan in here to describe exactly how this goes down in court again but this is what happens in every fucking trial and these people are so soft that they're like and and don't get me wrong i i think it's horrible that unfortunately in cases in any case whether it's kid or adults people do have to see these things and that is the job of the jury i'm not saying they should be like oh yeah great i'm seeing dead bodies i'm not saying it's nice in any way don't mishear me but the fact that they didn't these people who are preaching on what how the job's supposed to work because apparently they're professional fucking jurors when you listen to them talk all this week you know they are also sitting here and quite literally saying that the most important part of their job which is taking a look at the evidence at hand was just a little too much for their safe space okay no i i just really can't do this okay it's it's giving too much it's giving too much there were said i mean they're setting back women so many years shout out to all the women out there that don't feel this way i know there's a way more of you but holy shit so that one right there the next link was also a little bit of overlap with her talking about viciously killing the kids i'm going to skip some videos here just because they're going to be a little bit longer but i'm going to piss me off too much but they talked about being entertained by reddington they talked about him like he was the hottest thing ever which not to defend them at all because i think it was ridiculous and obviously i'm making fun of them unfortunately this is a part of any courtroom the riz wins the riz is important so regardless of the context in which they were talking about it which i thought was gross and ridiculous yeah i will say the prosecution's table wasn't working with a lot of risks and the branding could have been a little better on the government's part i will say that and the guy reddington think what you want of him got incredible charisma incredible charisma it's just wild that they're like they're so openly laughing and smiling and citing that in such a serious case involving children who are the victims that they seem to not even want to talk about and you know like totally discount they also talked about and they explained this in a long-winded rant but they talked about it in a long-winded rant but they talked about it in a long-winded rant and they talked about how the holdout juror was expressing reasonable doubt you heard the first clip where that was mentioned and there were more clips where these three jurors were all talking about it and what's very clear from it is that he he most likely and we can't know this for sure never said the words i have reasonable doubt they were trying to pressure him into convincing himself that what he was saying was reasonable doubt and as you heard them say when he wanted the judge to come in there to give a clarification on stuff they said they said nah hun you don't need the judge we got you we we are the judge with the judge jury and executioner here we're executing everyone but lindsay there was also a part where some of the jurors were nurses and they were playing expert in the room do we have that link thief we should pull that one up it's supposed to be equal in a jury room as far as like people all coming around and assessing the evidence and then coming to a conclusion here the expertise is supposed to occur in the courtroom i'm not saying human beings are perfect i'm not saying someone at one point doesn't say well i've been fucking doing this right you know i'm sure some of that stuff happens but when nurses start talking about like drug administration and what it does to you and stuff to try to sway the other jurors that i don't know that's kind of interesting let's is this the this is this is the right okay so judge sullivan is getting calls to hold public contempt hearings involving jurors who like lindsey clancy are themselves nurses in the murder trial this is from mike kobe wildhorse at wild underscore horse on twitter three female jurors said nurses on the panel answered questions about medications and guided jurors through hospital and toxicology reports during deliberations i've served on on a jury jurors are required to rely only on evidence presented in court medical questions should have been answered by sworn experts or sent to the judge for clarification not explained by jurors using their personal knowledge the nurse jurors are accused of acting as unsworn experts and using their interpretations to influence the panel and press for clarification and not explained by jurors using their personal knowledge pressure the lone holdout juror to vote not guilty the jury reportedly deliberated for more than 36 hours across seven days before becoming deadlocked 11-1 discussions allegedly became so heated that alternate jurors thought they were fighting the nurse jurors should face contempt hearings that's his spec not mine but kind of interesting kind of interesting that they're playing expert in there for sure the best though that last link can you hit that last one six on under one two and three sorry yeah right there three lindsey clancy jurors say they plan to attend a potential retrial in support of clancy after the four person called the mistrial quote so heartbreaking unquote we're literally talking about pink shirt ladies who served on the jury and are now going to put on the pink shirts and hold up signs and heart signs for the lady that killed her kids that's where we're at here people so juror four who i believe was disguised identity they didn't show her face basically said that she felt i don't think she did she use the word bullied i don't want to say that if she didn't use the official word um i believe she said pressured not bullied yeah i can't see until we watch let's let's do that so that there's no mistakes here i don't want i want the evidence presented as it is don't take my word for it we're going to pull this up but interesting conversations leading into the her eventually saying that she was going to be voting not guilty by reason of insanity she was another juror though that clarified that the 9-1-1 call was the worst thing she ever heard and that there's no way that could have been faked and she felt awful for patrick clancy and that when she left they went once the trial was over and she got back online and saw all the conspiracy theories about him she thought that was completely wrong anyway let's play this first clip deep's got it that person the majority of the room was trying to kind of sway that person from the very beginning so where did you come down from the very beginning like what was your vote so originally i felt as though she was guilty and she was criminally responsible for it um and maybe i still believe that in a certain way um so she's talking about to be clear so again i want to make sure i had this right because we got a lot of links here and we're running through all this she's referring to the pressure on the loan juror not on her So I want to be clear about that. So if I'm wrong on the front end, let's make sure we have that on the record right there obviously we're not perfect in here we always point that out but she then and i will say this is implicit not explicit for sure but she says that originally her vote would have been for guilty and that she was liable for it meaning not insane and that i what did she say i guess maybe there's a part of me that still feels that way which would imply that when she's talking about the pressure on the holdout juror that perhaps there was pressure on her because she's sitting here after the trial and she's like well maybe i still feel that fucking way i don't know that's implicit not explicit want to be very clear on that that's pure spec and opinion on my part very interesting though then you had juror five now there were there were obviously 12 jurors nine of them were women three of them were men this is one of the men and unfortunately this is not a great example for courageous men in this country because you're going to hear in this clip what really shocked him and hint it wasn't the fact that there were three viciously murdered kids you wouldn't engage or couldn't find something to support his view there was times he wouldn't engage like he'd be scrolling on his phone while people are talking to him that's another thing we did look at this just to make sure we weren't crazy it's not supposed to be phones in a jury in a jury room i even specifically looked it up related to the clancy jury because it said when i went to the ruler like generally speaking it's not allowed in a jury room then i said were their phones supposed to be allowed in the clancy trial jury deliberations and the answer was hard no but he's referring to the holdout juror in this case who's the guy we're defending by the way having a phone and not then saying by the way none of us had phones either right like so maybe implying that people had phones in there meaning god forbid they had access to the internet to see what people were fucking saying and maybe they're i don't know that's total pure spec but kind of interesting he said that let's keep going things like that dargie told us one time he confronted the holdout after the man picked up what clancy used to strangle her kids he took the exercise band out of the bag grabbed an empty water bottle and and tied the band around the water bottle did he explain why he did that no um he might have i'm not entirely i think i was just so shocked that he did that like is that a mimic of how she killed the children yeah i i assume so yeah what'd you think when he did that i was shocked it didn't make any sense to me we're not in here to play detective or it's not a game of clue like this is serious i asked him why why was why why are you doing that that's a band that was used to strangle a child it's disgusting he's so shocked that the guy uses a water bottle to attempt to appeal to the humanity of people in there but he's not shocked that he's sitting there ignoring the most important victims that are supposed to be with them in the room the kids that's a weak weak man right there and i will die on that fucking hill there is nothing that happened this week that did not make me feel like i was way too soft last week let alone aggressive you really have to think about this stuff i had people being like how could you question the charlie kirk thing but not question this it's like it's not that i'm not questioning all the pieces of evidence presented we are in trial mode here we are getting all the evidence presented it's out there not everything looks amazing for patrick clancy like as a husband as i already said not everything looks cut and dry from a like are you god and can you know who what's in someone's mind 100 sure but like the burden of proof to prove that you're in psychosis at that point at that point like the burden of proof is on the government to prove the case and i do think they did plenty to do that they could have done a better job for sure but like the burden of proof to prove that you hear a voice in whatever which can't even be proved is like hypothetically on you and i'm saying hypothetically because my legal scholars out there are going to pick apart every little word i say right here especially if they disagree with me so i don't want to get in hot water but like she is trying to say no i was crazy with the defense that they came up with later there's a lot we're not going to get to today but there is one more thing as we've been talking about the whole way today we found out not the actual identity of the holdout juror but we found out some of his attributes we got that clip from gail king who was it's like this took her breath away joey d well here we go right absolutely she had to she had to sit with it she had to sit with it maybe she yeah i'm curious about the jurors themselves because we know it was nine women three men what was the age range what was the racial makeup i haven't heard any of that what was it um 70 in 70 ish to 22 and um one person of color and then every other person of color and then every other person of color and then every other person of color everybody else was white um a lot of the jurors had children uh-huh and one person of color was a person of color a woman or a man a man a man is a holdout juror a person a black man yes a black man is a holdout juror yes well i have to sit with that for just a second what the fuck do you have to sit with like i don't know what's going on in that household but i also saw like an oprah fucking round table where they're clapping for a woman saying let's make sure we have the same energy for all the black women who killed their children and like everyone in the room fucking clay yeah sister that's right how about we not have energy for fucking people to kill their children how about we focus on the children first some of the same people who claim to care so much about all the victims in the Epstein file seem to care about everyone except the kids who are fucking killed by the children or at least they want to explain away why their loving mother did this to them and didn't know that she did it but gail king here finds out and is shocked she's like oh oh i'm sorry i gotta sit with that i can't i can't believe someone who happens to share my skin color would possibly think that this woman's not guilty by reason of insanity and it is the ultimate symbol right here because we have already demonstrated how all this majority female jury room was pressuring this holdout juror all week to change his opinion seemingly allegedly pure spec putting some words in his mouth to try to make this happen and are now going on this giant public tirade campaign many of them with their faces out there to try to impeach his character do all these different things and i know nothing about this guy i i we don't know anything about him right now but what we do know is that he was the one person in there who's like you know maybe the kids actually are the victims here which is the most important thing so to be clear i don't know anything about here the nine women on this jury at least of the ones we've seen these are the exact kind of women who would have been out there with signs and holding up heart signs not even just for lindsey clancy at this trial but six years ago during george floyd and everything with blm saying you know the every fucking regular line that was pushed upon society at that time to basically apologize for every person who's ever existed and anything they would have ever done to someone who's a minority which got way beyond the pale and i'm not going to go into that but i'm going to obviously pissed off a lot of society these are the exact types of people who would have been doing that and what's ironic is that they would have been saying things at the time like oh we need to really amplify black and multi multicultural voices and put them at the forefront and take them seriously and listen to them but when push comes to shove according to this right here we have a jury filled with those women pressuring the lone holdout who happens to be a black man and then speaking out against him publicly after the fact and basically saying his opinions wrong in fact it's almost criminal what he was doing because he was ignoring the law so the moment they get put to the test to actually put their money where their mouth is and i don't know and by the way it should never be this way it has nothing to do with race but if you want to play their game the moment they get put to the test and they have to amplify multicultural voices or whatever they say shut the fuck up get in your place and do what we tell you what to do if that's not the ultimate sign of the hypocrisy of the hypocrisy of america i don't know what is of the hypocrisy of some people in america i should say i don't know what is and it's really really fucking sad to me god i love this country i love this country so i did talk with vivian kubrick stanley kubrick's daughter this week we are not going to have time to get to that this week i will go through that next week i had a nice back and forth i got permission from vivian to share 90 of it on the record there was one paragraph we removed that was that was a private paragraph between me and her that's perfectly innocent by the way it's just very side note kind of thing so thank you to vivian for reaching out on that i will discuss that obviously stanley kubrick father did eyes wide shut I've been talking about that the last couple episodes with some of the speculation on the missing footage she has had a lot to say there in response to that and we did a nice little back and forth so I will get to that and there's a couple other things as well that we did not get to but I am going to take when I see things that are common sense to me I am willing to look at the evidence build it and be comfortable with the idea that if someone presents better evidence to me in the future I will say I was wrong with the same volume with which I think I'm right right now and right now I feel very very strongly about this Lindsay Clancy huge distraction case as I said by the way if in the future someone actually shows me good evidence not the stuff I saw this week that was all shitty evidence at best I'll apologize and I'll say you know what maybe maybe maybe she had no idea but brother sister whoever's listening she killed her kids that said give it a thought get back to me peace thank you guys for checking out this clip if you haven't already subscribed please subscribe and hit the like button on this video it is a huge huge help and if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode that link is in the description below or right here and finally you can follow me on instagram and x by using the links in my description below