If YOU Think Aliens are Demons, Watch THIS... | Lauren Conlin

Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. You know, that's got to hit home. It's, you know, I think without without sounding insensitive also, I think when I look at these stories and then I. These stories, which are so horrific and where you have victims or survivors who have just been through it and then, you know, sitting in court for Harvey Weinstein's third retrial where even the prosecutors are saying, okay, this girl was in a four-year relationship with Harvey, right? They did have consensual sex. He did things for her. He took her here. He took her there. You know, we're trying him on one occasion in a hotel room where she says that she said no. Again, it's, it's just like, I don't, sorry, I don't want to get canceled for saying this. It's such a fine line to tow. But you are sitting there and you were like, okay, you were having sexual relations with this man for four years. It's clear. She wasn't very proud of that, right? He's disgusting, very powerful. You have to see the evidence. I was there for part of trial, too. In New York, then I switched over to Diddy, but when you hear a lot of this evidence and I am only talking about the Jessica Man case specifically, I'm not talking about California, I know that he assaulted women or else why the hell would he pay such a huge sum of money for part of these civil suits if he wasn't actually guilty, in my opinion. He is guilty there. But when you hear about this, you're just like, man, I have, I've spoken to victims who have horrible stories and I understand there's also what, you know, not every story is the same, not every survivor. You know, I get that. I totally get that. There's just something about it, you know, when you're sitting there and you're like, okay, well, you know, this feels strange. Some are more compelling than others for sure. Yeah, it just doesn't, I don't know. And I mentioned to you guys when I walked in, like, you know, we're in court yesterday in Alvin Bragg walks in and you're like, oh, yeah, look, like go, go get the criminal. Yeah, no, he's the DA is like, go catch the criminals, please. Like this man in a wheelchair that is basically dead. Like he's basically dead. I'm sorry. Like he's not a threat to our city right now. You're trying this man for a third time on a class E felony, you know, like I, I, I understand where maybe as a whole, it's important to, to the survivors or to, you know, people that, that it's political theater at the end of the day. 100% do you think if this guy's name was like Johnson, like we'd be here for that Harvey Johnson. No, we wouldn't be. It's because he's Harvey Weinstein. And for whatever reason, Alvin Bragg thinks that like winning that case will make him look good. And I just, I think it's, it's the opposite. I'm kind of pissed that we're spending our, you know, I live in Manhattan. My money is going to that trial. It's so silly. I understand. And also the Jessica man, the victim and all this, like she has to tell her story over and over again. Again, I'm not especially moved by her story. That's, that's my opinion. But that doesn't mean that, you know, she didn't necessarily go through it. Sure. I'm just saying to make her get up there for, right, how many times now that also seems weird. Yeah, it's just. Those cases are also, you know, like we hear about the Weinstein one because of, and rightfully so, like how powerful he was and the people he took advantage of. But then there's all these other cases that are powerful people that just maybe aren't on the news, national news or you don't know their name or whatever. It's the same kind of thing or worse. And, you know, you're going out there and getting the story. So I was unfamiliar with the Utah one off to look into that. You have to, you have to look it up. Like I said, it's actually makes me sad that I can't, I wasn't ready to, or I guess I wasn't prepared to speak on it. But I went so deep. I went so deep up all night talking to survivors. I mean, it's, it's a lot. It's crazy. So maybe, maybe for another time. I'll, yeah, refresh on. Yeah, that's him. He is. Yeah. No, I, it's. Yeah, we got, we also, if we got to get pissed a lot on here, we got to figure that out. It's fucking goaded as a writer, but yeah, one of if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day, because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. 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So the way I understood the reporting was that he had a high level clearance similarly to Garcia because he had access to a lot of serious stuff at Los Alamos, but he wasn't a scientist and he was probably working on HVAC. Some of that was a little unclear. What do you know? So I also reported that he was an HVAC tech. Now again, I could not independently verify this through public affairs. I am still working on it, but he disappeared in May of 2025 on foot. He left his home in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and his neighborhood was the Denver Steele's neighborhood, which is not as isolated, right, as some of the others, but his wallet keys and cigarettes were on the living room table and his car was locked in the driveway. And he, uh, per a friend had his friends that he never carried a cell phone. So what did he have any documented medical issues pertaining to potential early onset dementia or something like that, the people of disgust. Nope, not not that's been reported. It's never been seen again. There's nobody. Nobody, he, they said he hiked in Pueblo Canyon often, but it didn't seem like he left home that day to prepare for a hike, right? Um, and the weather wasn't that great. So why he left his home, that remains a mystery. Do we know how long ago he had retired from Los Alamos? I don't, I'm again, I'm not, no, I'm not sure. Again, that just goes back to public affairs being like, sorry. So it's tough. You got to find sources. Um, I did reach out to one source that I found on Facebook. I'm still waiting. So that seems to be the key here. Um, but again, it's like not many people want to talk about this. And again, that could be nothing too because he wasn't one of the scientists or something like that. He was someone at least working on at least something else. It's not related to actually dealing with any weaponry or advanced technology, but he could have had access to see something he wasn't supposed to see if you want to go there. But so that's the three that were the non guaranteed non scientists. We covered the MIT guy and we, and we covered Jason Thomas, the Nevada sky, which seems to be totally, totally separate. But then there's two more classes. The first one is Amy S. Gridge, and then the second one is the five scientists, some of whom we've already covered will knock out a couple more and then kind of get to McCaslin a little more. Yeah. But Amy S. Gridge, like I was saying, when we had a chance to look at some videos of her and everything over the weekend after we recorded this last one. Some of it feels a little bit like, and I don't mean to be insensitive here, but that she was a little nutty. Definitely not dumb for sure. She was definitely smart. I do have a friend who, I'll say spoke with someone very close to her this weekend who assured him that A, she was dead, B, it was suicide and C, yes, she was smart and could work on some things, but she thought she was a 10 on the smart scale, but she overestimated how smart she was. And drove herself crazy because of that. And so that's why, like whenever, yes, there are times, of course, when people are like, I am not suicidal and things like that where they're saying it in a perfectly calm tone and just being clear is, you know, a kill switch kind of whatever with her, it was a little bit more like, are, are you not, you know, like they're, I'm just saying hers was, she wasn't the kind of buttoned up person Carl Grillamher was. Yes, 100%. I would agree with that. Her parents have come. out and said, "Look, scientists die. She," yes. Her father said this, Dr. Richard S. Gridge, who was a former NASA scientist, and also founded the Institute of Exotic Science with Amy. They worked together. And look, her messages have been surfacing online recently, which, yeah, they say things like she thinks she's being watched. Someone went through her underwear drawer, she feels threatened, "It is in writing that she said this before her death," which I think fuels more speculation as to, like, look how perfect this is. She was saying that somebody was after her, and then she died. Well, I had a source reach out to me and say that she was suffering from some delusions. Again, it's tough because we can't say one way or another, right, because we are not privy to all of her work. We know that she did not have any type of government clearance, right? She didn't have anything. No, not that I could find. I know that those videos she keeps saying disclosure is coming out of Huntsville. It is coming. In my opinion, some of those videos, and I'm not a doctor, right, of course, she seems a little twitchy, almost like something, something to something, like on some kind of medication that I couldn't necessarily pinpoint, but it all felt too odd and too perfect that she was saying these things. And then it's like, you know, she didn't kill herself. There's no way. Eric Burleson recently came out, and there's no proof behind this, but he said that she could have been affected by something called Havana syndrome, which is a condition type to unexplained neurological symptoms. And that could have been that she was exposed to something, right? Yes, there you go. So again, but Ross Colterd has come out and said, no, she did not kill herself, you know, and he's done the research, but. Ross also said the egg was an alien. Yeah. Listen, I just don't I'm not no disrespect that just I think Ross sometimes runs with anything in the I want to believe syndrome case. So that's not the first story like this. That's not the guy I'm going to go to first on the facts. Right. Agreed. I totally agree with you. I'm not trying to shred him. No, but I think it's important that we sort of put all this, you know, in one pot and then kind of stir it and see what we have here. But yeah, I don't think that I think that she most likely killed herself. And it was also misleading when the Daily Mail came out with and said, 11 scientists now dead for the missing scientists went in fact, this was back in 2022. Right. And she would have been the first one on the list, by the way, that's deceased. Do we have a video of her talking deep so that so that people can see this? I'm sure there's something. It's the one where she's like it's kind of from the the neck up almost. That's where I sort of felt the tweakingness of I don't know. Yeah. Now she's in Huntsville that he's going to pull this up in a second. Okay. She's in Huntsville. That's where NASA has I what is it? Redstone lab? Or am I making that up? Is that what it is? Oh, sorry. Well, it's like redstone lab or something like that. Basically, they work on all kinds of propulsion stuff there. Huntsville is also one of the places where like the Operation Paperclip, you know, Nazi scientists. Redstone Arsenal. Yeah. Redstone Arsenal ended up going to similarly to Wright Patterson, which you mentioned earlier. And I put a little checkmark in that. We'll come back to that. You know, there's a lot of alien related or UFO-related folklore from those places, some of which may not be folklore at all. It could have some truth to it. But, you know, that all being together and then the fact that her father is a legitimate long-time well-known NASA scientist, it gets rightsfully so. It gets people thinking. But here is here is her I guess shortly before she died. Let's just get a little little Amy just to hear kind of what she was talking about. It's been independently discovered for other times. He said it has been he said it has been suppressed every single fucking time. And he said, I don't think they're going to suppress it this time. He said, I think you're in the clear. He said they obviously know about you because I've had multiple both protective and threatening interactions with various agency affiliations, whatever. He was like, if you haven't had a US government agent come to you and say, stop, shut the fuck up. Stop, shut the fuck up. If that hasn't happened, they're going to let you do it. They're waiting. They're like there are SSP motherfuckers that are fucking twiddling their thumbs. Like, is Amy not going to publish soon? God, we've been influencing this bitch forever. Doesn't she know we want her to publish? Jesus. Like, there's multiple people doing that right now. And on the other side of the fence, there's multiple parties looking at each other like, didn't we tell this bitch three years ago that we kill people for this? Is she not listening? What is she doing? She's still doing it. What? We told her we were going to kill her three years ago. So I have these two like, I have these two different scenarios floating constantly in my life where I have people being like, do it, do it, do it. You're the one, do it. And then I have multiple people being like, they're going to kill you. Don't do it. They're going to kill you. Okay. If you had something on this, too. Yeah, I saw something the other day. I wasn't sure if you saw this, too, that there was reports that she had like quit pain medication called turkey as well. Yeah. Her mom said she was experiencing pain. I don't know. Again, I'm not an expert, but looking at that video, she's maybe drunk, maybe something is in her system. Something is not. I'm willing to say. I mean, it's the mannerisms to the itching the nose constantly. The, you know, she's constantly moving. She's slurring a little bit. There's a few words that she slurred. Her eyes look very, very big. Yeah. There's something off about that. So yeah, maybe that was when she was on some kind of pain medication. And it's like, why? So this was Jeremy Reese's show. Alien scientists online to be clear. You know, I see him at the top there. So I assume that's what it was. Again, doesn't mean it totally rules it out, but why is someone who also might be on something going? And if they're allegedly this close to the world's most famous, deepest, darkest secret, openly talking about it on a Zoom YouTube channel. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, some red flags are flying with that. And I also do have to say, and this will, if this reveals some bias, it's only fair that I say this. I've just seen some shit with this space when you start getting to the UFOs and the people who come out and talk about them. I have seen some horrible bullshit and stuff get proven later that like, okay, because I totally believe aliens exist. I totally believe we're not alone. But it's like, what are they coming out and telling us? I'm not even saying they haven't been here, but why are they openly volunteering all this stuff? And then I've seen behind the scenes some stories that were brought blow up, meaning like, yeah, proven totally false, that then other stories that I thought had decent evidence, which might still, I don't know, but it leads me to question it because like, I know that the same guys who brought those stories are the ones who brought this one. Yeah, and I do feel like if you are saying out loud, they're going to kill me. If I do this, they're going to kill me. I don't think necessarily the people that have information to be killed over potentially are going to do that, are going to behave that way. Edward Snowden never did that. That is my opinion. Yeah, so I just feel like this, it's not connected and I do, I believe at this moment that she did take her own life tragically. And the thing that sucks for the parents is because the father strictly had that title and worked at NASA. Everyone's going to be like, well, that's what he's forced to say or they he's a part of the cover. 100%. And listen, yep, can't say 0% chance, but you know, I think you got to be careful making that leap, especially when you have other evidence in front of you where you're like, clearly she was loosening her deck a little bit. Yes, 100%. And like listen, she went to she had some serious degrees and stuff like that. Like this was not a dumb girl. No, but she definitely had some at least reported history of delusions. Does that mean for a fact she's lying about everything? No, but you should be very skeptical, especially considering the fact it took the daily mail so long to go back and find her. And then say she's the 11th, but really she was the first. Yeah, you know, and you found out she didn't have government contracts because that's what we thought she did when from where that one we went. Oh, we went on air because this had just happened. We were. And that's why we say pure spec with some things because like we're trying to be careful with where the facts line up Or where something's gonna change because we find out some new but when we talked about her for a few minutes That was it you know her location where she was and the company that she worked for You know we thought therefore was contracting with the government. I have found no evidence of that I mean but so but that doesn't I I mean I guess there could be a chance but I have found zero Yeah, zero. Yeah. Okay, so now back to MIT's out of the way and Novartis is out of the way Eskridge is out of the way for now. The other three who weren't scientists are out of the way. We talked about grill mayor Grill or Gromar. He was working on a Caltech guy who had worked with JPL working on finding liquid on foreign exoplanets out in the fucking galaxy Pretty important stuff his wife says nothing to see here Really quickly because you had mentioned you had something that I didn't on the other two guys where there was no List to cause a death one of the people I was thinking of in the obituary I forget his name in the obituary and mention give donations to alcoholics anonymous The other one where it claimed there was no cause of death perhaps you're gonna correct me on that he was also 61 He wasn't 30 right people die right 61 they can't so different people. Yes, okay. Yeah, so we go through these two guys Yes, so first we can talk about Michael David Hicks who you had mentioned in his obituary It did read quote donation and Michael's memory can be made to Allen on dot org. That was in his obituary Michael David Hicks was a planetary scientist affiliated with JPL and NASA. He contributed to asteroid research Just work. I guess related to planetary defense missions He died in 2023 and his cause of death is actually available Publicly on the Los Angeles Medical Examiner's website and so I am looking at it right now actually Let me send you if you want to see sure my I put this in my most recent story from the other day. I'll send it to you deep Okay So his cause of death is arterio sclerotic cardio vascular disease. That's cause a Cause D I'm sorry other significant conditions are morbid obesity and the one thing that I guess a conspiracy theorist could take note of on this is the body status not brought in the medical examiner's office Never saw the body, but that's completely common if someone has a heart attack and first responders You know show up and determine what happened they don't necessarily need to send the body to the Emmy's office They won't accept it and also both of those things. What was the first? What was the official name of the heart condition? Our teriose sclerotic cardiovascular disease. Okay, so Heart problems and obesity are two things that could be I'm not saying they are, but they are Also related sometimes to alcoholism of course, because you're not exactly active Yep, in that case not necessarily everyone, but sometimes that is the case so Yep would make sense and again, there's This is where you have to look at the law of numbers a little bit. There's tens of thousands of people Very smart people working on things like this some of them Robees some of them have alcohol problems and You know what at some point they all do die. We all die, you know, and again. He was what 58? He was 59. Okay. Yeah, so again. He's not 30 No, you know, he's younger. There's some issues there and Mm-hmm. You know, I understand why people are asking questions, but I tend to agree with you That feels pretty natural to me. It does it does. I mean again without digging too much further Personally, I did not feel the need to contact his family about that You know, and I guess as I continue to work on this story I probably should just so I can say that I checked all the boxes, right? But in the immediate as I'm digging that I just sort of pushed this side I said, okay, I can sort of for now anyway until I get a little more information I can you know, table that and move on to the next one. Now may walled was also working at JPL He's the one that died at 61 where they claim there's no cause of death Listed and he his work also at some point involved Exoplanets and trying to determine if there was scientifically habitable worlds there Which would include trying to find liquids on these planets, which is very similar to Carl Grilmer's research. Yes Yes, what what what am I missing there? So with Frank What I will say about that is that he reportedly he was German Reportedly he died in Los Angeles. That is what his obituary says. However, he is not listed on the medical examiner's website So I will say that he's not listed anywhere It could be because maybe his his name is you know, I've tried a bunch of different names Francis I've tried you know, I've been I looked up like the German version of Frank to see if there was one I haven't really found anything. I have not reached out to his wife yet I have her contact information, but with Frank everything that's listed on his obituary and the guest book and You know from from what I've seen They all say that Frank was just this larger than life guy always smiling always cracking jokes always hugging people and the notes and photos of him and There's a lot like this man looked like he had a lot of friends and a lot of fun, too, by the way It's just it's it's joy. It's laughter. It's love and I'm also not an idiot I know that anyone could paint that picture, but to have that many people in his life paint the picture of happiness and love and joy And they're talking about his work. They're saying how brilliant he was how you know what I mean and and somebody There's there was messages about how he was a manager and and he trained this person and that I just I didn't necessarily see anything again that would cause me to Really want to dig further when there are other cases that seem to be a little more suspicious Like I said the one thing. I did notice is that he's not he's not in the database Interesting. So that that is something to look into though. Absolutely. Yeah, definitely So they can get an update on that if if you track it all the way down. Yes, for sure Okay, not the top of the pyramid though are the ones we started this with that we touched on just some of the weird ship But we can get deeper into now, which is Monica Yes, and then and General McKenzie. General. So with Monica It's so sinister to to with the Disappearance story where she's I believe she's walking with one friend They're both experienced hikers, which as we said the other day moral the story don't go fucking hiking people don't don't go for a long walk alone Would nothing like just stay at home. Maybe this doesn't happen But she's hiking and the friend looks back at one point she's 30 feet behind she smiles and waves and the next time he looks back She's gone and as you said they've searched across all these a grids. They found nothing But what was what was the nature specifically of her work and when it overlapped These are VJPL and you named another company earlier with the general. Yeah, um, let me go back if you don't mind Please so I have I've spoken to several sources and Monica's life actually and I got a little more information About that hike so apparently the terrain that they were on is what or is very steep and even the most experienced hiker Probably shouldn't jog or run and for whatever reason Monica decided to run the male companion that she was with I believe encouraged her to run I am told by a source that this male companion had a habit of sort of pushing the limit may be putting people in danger too much They all knew each other that the hikers and many of the searchers from a yoga group because Monica was training to be a yoga instructor the practice of yoga that she Was practicing it incorporated Vedic science and astrology So it was in her her wheelhouse and this one source said, you know, I didn't really know much About her prior work. I just knew she was a scientist The crazy part is that The male hiker who last saw her and again, they should have never been running, but they were He gave the last-known coordinates. He also gave the last-known coordinates to where they found her hat And I guess she had like a visor on and her scent seemed to stop at the hat, which is also very weird But her last-known coordinates were actually much closer to the road or the highway Then I think a lot of people initially thought yeah, so um and again I'm learning this because I'm in a Facebook group and I'm just like, you know Messaging all these people. I'm trying to call them and and some of them are again receptive And they'll tell me certain things, but let me just put it this way. I know who the last person She was with I know who that is um, I've chosen at this point obviously not to put his name out there You don't want the internet turning on them and I don't know enough, but this person if he wasn't already should have been grilled by police Is she married not not that I know of um, I another source had told me that They had a younger family member who just looked up to Monica like a motherly figure. Like she was just so incredibly sweet to everybody. - Did she have any kids, was she divorced? - No, not that I've seen. And again, it's weird because some of the people that I talked to, it's like they knew her, but they didn't almost. They knew her through yoga. So it's this community. So going back to, I guess, what she had worked on and how she overlapped with General McCaslin. And I learned this based on her LinkedIn page. So she goes by Monica Jacinto if you want to just pull that up. But basically one of the companies, and there's only two companies listed. It's like, it's, God, sorry. Rocket, yeah, it's AeroJet Rocket dying. Yep, that's her and then yeah. And then, - Solar Materials Science. - Patent Winnie. - Nearing at AeroJet Rocket dying. - Yeah, so. Now General McCaslin, when he was at, let me see, when he was at the Air Force Research Lab at Wright Patterson, that was 2011, May 2011, to July of 2013. And so Monica, she was at Patent Winnie during that time. She was there until 2012. So that is where I believe there was a government contract. - Well, I also saw there was overlap in the early 2000s between the two of them with JPL, I believe. - Okay, so I- - So it could have been two places. - I did not see that. This is, yeah, this is what I was looking at. And so obviously Patent Winnie is a major aerospace company that designs and builds aircraft engines specifically for military jets and commercial airplanes. And she was also said to be a total genius. You know, she co-patented this burn resistant metal alloy and she was just working on a lot of stuff. And I just think that her disappearance is worth talking about because like General McCaslin, she appeared to vanish into thin air. And that's what I don't get. You know this person's last known coordinates. And I have looked at the, I mean, like I said, hundreds of thousands of acres. But I've studied this area, even though it would be better if I was there. I've spoken to people that have hiked this. They have all said we should have been able to find her. It shouldn't be that difficult. At months and months and months, dude, like months. - All right, so two questions. One, have there been other reported, like rape kidnappings and stuff like this on these trails and then two, what kind of animals are we dealing with out there? - Yeah, so the, that's, it's interesting. I, there's not, there's not a lot of rapes or kidnappings, I guess. But there are like coyotes, for example. - For one or two coyotes to get her without a scent, totally away with no blood trail sounds crazy. I was just about to say you, they don't, sorry, an animal is not going to eat her entire body. - Right, she's got a screen. - Exactly, well, so there was another document floating around Twitter, okay? And I don't know the origin of this document. I had just seen it and it, so I don't know, I don't know again, you know, how valid this is, but there was a report that she disappeared or she was last seen around 9, 10 a.m. around 2.30 p.m. per this document. Again, I don't, I don't know. Other hikers heard screams at 2.30. - But, but again, it's like, well, then why, why is it that in all the articles that you see initially when, you know, when the police are putting this out there? Why, why didn't we know about that? Why didn't we hear that? It just seemed strange. - It's very strange. - Yeah, and so I don't know. I'll take that with a grain of salt. I just don't, I don't know if I can sit here and say, oh, if this was a tragic, unfortunate hiking accident or incident when we haven't found her. - She disappeared June 2025? Is that right? - Yes. - June 22nd, I believe. - June 22nd. - Yes. - All right, this is really reaching. I'm just throwing it out there because it's interesting. She disappears shortly after they bombed Fort O. - Okay. - When Caslan disappears hours before they invade Iran again. - Is there anything there? I don't see any evidence for that, but. - I was gonna say, I mean, look, by all accounts, Monica was retired per her friends. Now, if she was working on something classified, obviously her friends would not know that. But I would think that you wouldn't have the time to be participating in a yoga group, right? I don't know, and training to be a yoga. - If you're retired and you're pulled into something classified to do something, part of it is you gotta, you can't tell anyone, and so you gotta have a cover which involves living your life. They're not gonna pull you in the lab 24/7 'cause people are gonna be like, where the fuck is Monica? - Yeah, okay, that's totally fair. She just did seem to have a lot of time with these friends. - Sure. - Yeah, this yoga group, they all describe, you know, hanging out a lot, being close like that. But again, they just knew her as this retired scientist. - And she had never been married, never had kids. - So I could not find anything about that. I don't know. - She's calling herself a different name on LinkedIn. That's interesting. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, I mean, again, she, you know, I couldn't necessarily find anything, but I didn't ask, I didn't ask the sources this when I was discussing this with them. I was mainly focused on her disappearance. - What did the other hikers say about, so when she disappeared and any realized she was no longer behind him, what did he do? How soon before he called the cops? - I mean, I think it was, he kind of was confused, you know, he was looking himself for maybe an hour. I'm not certain about that timeline, but I do know that, and I'm just saying, quote, her family. That's her family. A source told me her family was kind of like, why, why do you always let her go behind you? Like, and the word always was used. Like, like, maybe this was a thing, you know, like, why didn't you, why didn't you, I don't know. - You said they were very close to the highway? - No, where she was, yeah, closer, not very close, but closer than-- - How close we talk? - I'd have to get the coordinates. I actually-- - Or within a mile? - I can get the last coordinates. I actually put them, you know what? I put them up on Twitter this morning, actually. - I put-- - I can't tell how far away we are there, deep, like, what-- - Yeah, and it could be fucking 30 miles right there. - So there it is. It's Hiker last scene and then her hat found. So it's last scene at 34.341756. I don't know. - He's pulling it up. - I'm gonna give you one, just put the court, yeah. - Yeah, can you do that? I'm good. - I never done that on Google Maps. - Okay, it's um, ready? At 34.34. - At 34? - Well. - How old? - 2, so it'd be 0.34. - Yep, dot 34. 1756. And then comma dash 117.954. - What's the-- - Oh, sorry, 954729. - You have 0.34 in there twice. - Yeah, well it is-- - I don't know the four in center. - It is, hold on, it is-- - That's a range. - Well, it was, yeah, but it is at, it's 34.34. So that was-- - It's not 0.34, it's 34.34. - Okay. - 34.34.1756. - Yeah. - I've never done that before, I-- - Yeah. - I don't know, it'd be interesting to see how accessible it would be for someone to be able to get in there. - It's hard to tell on, right, on some of these maps. Oh yeah, maybe you could do it that way. But I actually, it's funny because I am so bad with this. I actually sent the coordinates to a Geoprofiler. So he's gonna get back to me on that, yeah. So we'll see, like I said, I don't know everything, but hopefully I can find the people that do know a lot more than me. But yeah, I do know that they had said, yeah, her family was kinda like, what the hell to this guy? - And we don't know if the cops have grilled him? You gotta assume they have him. - I'm assuming they have, because right, like it's, yeah, it's kind of like, that's their job to talk to the last person that-- - Who found the hat, him or the cop? - I don't know who found the hat. That is unclear. I was actually looking through the Facebook group to see if I could, you know. - Is he married? - I don't think so. - Interesting. - Yeah, I, yeah. Yeah, so it's-- - To walk into the woods, one walks out. - Oh, there was a female companion as well, but I cannot get information as to where this female companion was at the time. There's two of them. So-- - That's what I thought. - Yeah, no, there was. - You were talking like it was only-- No, yeah, it's weird because I don't know enough about where I'm kind of like, well, where the hell was this girl again, work in progress, you know, still trying to get these answers because for me, it's like I'm in the middle here of like trying to figure out from an investigation standpoint, like location-wise, geography and then it's like you've got their work backgrounds as well, you know, you've got to separate them first and then sort of put everything together I guess. For sure. Yeah. Now, this is June 2025. Yes. McCaslin, who we demonstrated at least one overlap with, perhaps two over the years. He disappears February 27th, 2026 on a Friday. Went out for a hike in the morning with just the pistol, like we said, which is wife didn't even know he took at the time. And that's all we got. Now his background, we alluded to it earlier that it's a who's who and what's what and you've mentioned a few places he's been, but can you just run through the highlights of that real quick so people will understand. And before I ask that, did he have any demonstrated medical conditions or any dementia-related things or stuff that could explain him wondering away? His wife said no dementia, just the mental fog or the brain fog, which was frustrating for him, but not a huge deal. I guess he was somewhat at risk, I guess, when they put out the silver alert for him and also multiple people. It's like here, I'll show it to you. It's like when someone older goes missing, but there was one for Nancy Guthrie and yeah, but multiple people have mentioned to me that live in the Albuquerque area that they didn't get the silver alert right away, which is very rare. So I don't know why, I don't know, I'm not sure why that would be, but it was brought to my attention. Yeah. Another thing I just want to add is that on February 19th, that is when Trump put on true social that he would be releasing all of the UAP files. So yeah, there it is. And I think it says, yeah, due to his medical issues, I don't know his wife, you know, she didn't really allude to any type of medical issues, which is so strange. Yeah, that was very, very weird. But yeah, so General McCastlin, he was a commander at the Air Force Research Lab, stationed at Wright Patterson. He was the Director of Special Programs at the US Department of Defense. He worked at the Air Force Base where he was, he worked in Space Acquisition Programming. He was at the one in LA too, I think for a while too. He was at El Segundo, yeah, California. And then he worked at the Air Force Research Lab in New Mexico as well. It was, yeah, in the early 2000s. He was the Director of Operations in Colorado at an Air Force Base and he, MIT educated Harvard MIT. He was an Air Force Academy before that. Yep. And, you know, his wife, you know, she was dispelling a lot of the rumors. She did this in March, basically. And I go back, we talked about this earlier where I think that maybe she, respectfully, was dispelling before she possibly knew all of the facts and all of the details. And I said this the other day, like, what do you tell your spouse about work when you are working in, you know, a sector like this? She also said, quote, it is true that when Neil was in the Air Force, he had access to some highly classified programs and information. He retired from the Air Force almost 13 years ago and has had only very commonly held clearances since. It seems quite unlikely that he was taken to extract very dated secrets from him. Hone in on that it seems quite unlikely. She doesn't actually know. She's just saying, like, I don't know, but it seems unlikely. But like, what do we actually know? She also brought up the fact that Neil, he has a brief association with the UFO community through Tom DeLong. And Tom DeLong was a former Blink 182 front man founder of the organization of the stars. But then if you want to tie Hillary Clinton into this, they're, yeah, there were emails. Yeah. When his, when his computer was was hacked, whatever. The Russian had, yeah, his, his stuff. There was emails about General McCastlin and Tom DeLong. And so she said that things sort of died down after that. But she says, and again, she could just be saying this. She says they were only talking and working together about sort of a fictional media project that Tom was working on. Yeah. She said that. She said, what was it exactly? She said, oh, yeah, Tom's fiction book and media activities. That was her, her exact words. So she said, this connection is not a reason for someone to abduct Neil. He doesn't have any special knowledge about the extraterrestrial bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Wright Patterson. Well, if he did, is he going to tell you like, is he going to tell you? That's the other thing. He probably not, but his wife's also like a serious scientist too. Yeah. Right. But it doesn't matter. Like she didn't work next to him. And so that's when she sort of said, you know, maybe the best hypothesis is the aliens beamed him up to the mothership and that's not helpful. No. And it's interesting. You know, you go back to like, you never, you never want to don't step to my victims. But you're just like, man, you, I don't know her as a person. But it is interesting that she's cracking jokes, right? That just might be her personality. But your husband's missing. It seems like a, I don't know. I don't know. People, what do they say? People grieve differently? Yes, that's not exactly true. But like, if you're doing an Erica Kirk pyrotechnics for fucking seven months afterwards and never around your kid and seeming like excited to take over. At some point, people can be like, all right, come on. I mean, yeah, I get it. I totally get it. And that's what I say. Like, I'm not trying to like, I'm just, I think it's interesting. She made it interesting and interesting that you are addressing these things. And you are sort of, you know, trying to stick a pin in them. Her 911 call, I found to be very interesting. What? Well, because she said the words, you know, I don't have to, I had it written down somewhere, but she said, and I'm paraphrasing, it would indicate possibly that he did not want to be found based on the fact that he changed clothes. He left what he would normally take back at home. You know, and I go back to saying like researching this area, if you know the area very well, it would be very easy to slip away and not be found. And, and I continue to get just amazed sometimes at how people can just leave, walk away, run away. And, and, you know, they don't seem to be, and I'm not talking about General McCastlin, but other people, right? They don't seem to be highly intelligent. They don't seem, you know, but they, they have a law enforcement. They, they seem to hide from, from the world, from the public view. I mean, what was that football coach that had child? Do you remember that out of, I'm just shocked. He seemed like a dumbass and we still haven't found him. Oh, I remember this. Yeah, this is a few months ago. Um, they still haven't found that guy. Not that I know, you know, I, I should check, I'm checking right now. Um, yeah, the high school football coach. No, they haven't found this dude missing Virginia high school football coach Travis Turner. That's his name. And that's, that's what I'm saying. Like what we still have not found this guy. He seems like a regular dumbass to me. And it's like, what? Why? He walked off again with a gun. He could be dead somewhere or, but, but also if he's dead somewhere, what? Well, maybe Nambla has a fucking underground railroad. And they just get all these fucking scumbags out. I, which is not what we're talking about with. No, that's, but that's what I'm saying where it's like how it's, it's, it's, it's mind blowing to me. But with McCastlin, he, he's intelligent enough. I do feel like where if he doesn't want to be found, he's not going to be found. But he is, there is no doubt. When it comes to potential military secret related alien folklore and UFO folklore, if you will, he is a form of a forest gump when you look at his career. Yes. If there's a there, there, and there's certainly some sort of there, there, whether or not it's what they tell us is a totally separate question. But like if there's a there, there, he is on a short list of candidates of people who would have multiple levels of intelligence related to those things. Now, being on the, to the stars academy is also sketchy because like, that is just filled with intel guys, like Jim Semivan and stuff like that, who sometimes come out and make these huge claims. And it's like, all right, what are they really, my thought is, what are they really distracting us from? You know, but for him to so systematically walk out like that, change clothes, take a hang on, leave everything else behind. Don't put on the apple watch. Don't tell your wife about it, leave. And there's no trace. They find the air force sweatshirt how far away? A mile and a half. A mile and a half away. So he shed, that was the sweatshirt he wore out. He to shed that words for. or simply taking off them, I don't know. - We don't know if it was his. - We don't, oh, she didn't even know if he was wearing that. - That's, but that's, no. They found it and that's what I'm saying. Like, nobody could identify. - Is White could not identify? - No, I, yeah, it's weird and you know, something else, Eric Burleson has been coming out and saying, I reached out to General McCastlin twice and then he just disappeared. And I reached out to his office, you know, about this, trying to get information. I was unimpressed. I mean, I was thankful that I got a response, but I was a little frustrated by the fact that he seems to say so much more on network news and I couldn't seem to get anything out of him because I don't want to speculate on anything out of respect for his family, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, you're on the news talking about how you guys reached out to him. So when I saw this, I reached back out to his office and I was like, I don't understand. Like, why do, you know, I can't watch every report and I can't watch every podcast to get information although I'm trying to, but if I email you directly, like, maybe you could include certain things, like, right, and say that. And so I just said, I heard him say this, can you let me know why? And I know the why because he wanted information. I mean, the whole UAP disclosure conversation came up, I think, you know, with the House Oversight Committee back in September of 2025. That's what the letter said when they were asking for all the videos, the 46 videos. So it was something relating to that, I believe. And I just said, like, can you give me a timeline here? Like, like, you know, why? You know, you wanted to find out more info and his office just said the investigation, oh, okay. They said the investigation began in the spring of 2025. And I think the big thing here is he said, our office has reached out to dozens of individuals. Okay, well, you're not saying that. You're only saying you reached out to McCaslin. So you reached out to dozens of individuals who I'm assuming are still with us. So stop doing shit for clicks. It's annoying me. Like, he, McCaslin have retired in 2013 from government sometime in there. Is that right? What's, it's funny because his wife said, yeah, he retired 13 years ago. His LinkedIn said that, well, it's he's a boarded director somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's doing things. Right. He's a consultant. Yeah, so he's a consultant in another company. So he's still, that's what I'm saying. He's still places where he's very intellectually engaged on the things that are part of his expertise that he spent all his time in the government about. And he definitely holds, you know, access to having seen highly, highly classified things throughout his career from someone who is also just not a traditional military guy. This is a literal like rocket scientist kind of trained, especially trained dude. I mean, his credentials are out of this world now. Have you ever had any interest in like looking into UFOs and what we know or what we don't? Yeah, I've been, I've been all into that. And I, I will say that I have spoken to some individuals that Dr. Bill Byrne, I don't know if you've heard of him. I do know that. He used to show UFO hunters on the history channel. He co-wrote the book the day after Roswell. And he's a bit older and doing a video interview with him was interesting because he had like his phone up his nose. So it didn't look great, you know. Here, but I'm not a cat. Yeah, no. And so it was that paired with some of the stuff that he was saying that was so out of this world where he was like, no, I've spoken to Emissaries. I've spoken to Aliens and they told me this. And I'm just like, oh, all right, you went all the way there. Yeah, yeah, so it's like, you gotta, and I'm really glad that I'm talking to people like that. But I'm trying to go more middle ground because I do believe like you said, you know, we're not alone. I think it would be naive to think that we are the only species right on this planet. I just don't think that, or not I shouldn't say on this planet. In, how do I say it? I know what you mean in the galaxy in the universe. Yes, in the universe, thank you. Yeah, I don't think that there's little green men. I don't think that we're talking about independence day when they're in like glass. Like, I don't think that. But until it happens. This, I will say, has taken over my life to the point that like I was in church on Sunday and I'm just like zoning out a little bit. No, and like flipping to the Bible. And I think it was like a Zekiel 1 chapter 4, wild, where, I mean, you'd have to pull this up to really. Zekiel 1 chapter 4. I think, yeah, you'd have to really pull this up where Zekiel is warned by four creatures that are essentially-- You've got to make sure the saying of Pulp fiction quote. No, no, no, he is warned about the Israelites. He has something beams down, right? Beams down, four creatures with like multiple faces. They also talk about the wheels on this. Yes. I mean, it is, I literally was freaking out. I showed my husband, I was like, oh, my God, oh, my God. I'm like, look, look, look, and he was like, you're insane. Like, you are really, let's see. A Zekiel 1 for key details. A wind storm from the north. A Zekiel witness is a massive divine wind storm. Yeah, let's get it. Because it's like in my 30th year in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kibar River, the heavens were open and I saw visions of God. On the fifth of the month, it was the fifth year of the exile of King, whatever the fuck is the name is. The word of the Lord came to Zekiel the priest, the son of Buzzi by the Kibar River in the land of the Babylonians. There, the hand of the Lord was on him. I looked and I saw a wind storm coming out of the north in immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal. And in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance, their form was human, but each of them had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight, their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnish bronze. Under the wings, on their four sides, they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings. And the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead. They did not turn as they move. Their faces look like this. Each of the four had the face of a human being on the right side of each face of a lion. And on the left, the face of an ox. Each also had the face of an eagle, such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward. Each wing touches that of the creature on either side. And each had two other wings covering its body. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or light torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures. It was bright and lightning flashed out of it. The creatures sped back and forth. Like flashes of lightning. Where should I skip to? You should go down to when the living creatures moved, the wheels beside. And then four of the creatures, actually, the rims were high. I mean, that's, yeah, as I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground besides each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels. They sparkled like topaz and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be bat made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in and out four directions. The creature's face, the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome. And all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved. And when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go. And the wheels would rise along with them because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved. When the creatures said still, they also said still. And when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them because the spirit living creatures was in the wheels. Maybe it's a paraplegic angel. I don't know. It might be in a wheelchair. It's possible. They had a face of an eagle and an ox. I'm sorry, that, that, to me, those are aliens. Come on, come on. And we are talking about a UFO with the wheels. Come on. In my head, I was reading that in Samuel L. Jackson's voice. And the wheels would turn in. Yeah, no, but I mean, how wild is that? It's kind of wild. It's pretty nuts. It's pretty nuts. And I'm trying not to be, I'm trying not to be nuts. I'm trying not to be nuts. But yeah. Eight days after he says they're going to release the UFOs. Yeah. Mackenzie goes away. Yeah, did something go off in his head where he's like, oh no, oh no. Or, or did-- He's got to go. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Or it could be that the question here is are there foreign operations? Because guys like that would certainly be sought after by any country, including allies. You could be in the UK and be like, oh, that fucking nuclear fucking Air Force guy over there. We could get some good info out of that chap. Yeah, I guess I'm wondering. And it's, you know, it'll take a lot more research. But how many guys out there are like General McCaslin? Are there a lot? Are there, like I said, if Eric Burleson's office is saying, we've reached out to dozens of people. OK. But not with his full kind of resume. There's not a lot of-- You would think, but I don't actually know. I haven't seen anyone like that. Running all these bases, it can't be a lot. Because he ran some of the most serious places. And it's not one or two. we ran like five of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I know I know long career military man like full true and blue. Yeah, part of the team. And then afterwards when he leaves, he's working with the guys who are very much still on the team like the gym semi-vans of the world. Yeah, it's weird. It's very weird. It's weird. I'm trying to be level headed about it. I'm trying. It's yeah. And like I said, I wish I could spend all day on this. I actually really wish I could, but I do cover a lot of stuff so it gets taxing. Yeah, it does get taxing, but it's an important story I think. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. 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