If YOU Think Aliens are Demons, Watch THIS... | Lauren Conlin

Welcome back, frickin' frack. Welcome to the jungle. ABC Wednesday. Abbott is back. It's gonna be the best year yet. Thank you, now we can finally turn this up. And everyone's going wild. Y'all think you run this school, but you don't. It's going great. Abbott Elementary. Anything can happen in the jungle, right guys? Season premiere Wednesday on ABC and stream next day on Hulu. Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. You know, that's gotta hit home. It's, you know, I think without, without sounding insensitive also, I think when I look at these stories and then I, these stories, which are so horrific and where you have victims or survivors who have just been through it, and then, you know, sitting in court for Harvey Weinstein's third retrial, where even the prosecutors are saying, okay, this girl was in a four-year relationship with Harvey, right? They did have consensual sex. He did things for her. He took her here. He took her there. You know, we're trying him on one occasion in a hotel room where she says that she said no. Again, it's, it's just like, I don't, sorry, I don't want to get canceled for saying this. It's such a fine line to toe, but you are sitting there and you were like, okay, you, you were having sexual relations with this man for four years. It's clear she wasn't very proud of that, right? He's disgusting, very powerful. You have to, you have to see the evidence. You, I was there for part of trial two in New York. Then I, I switched over to Diddy. But when you, you hear a lot of this evidence, and, and I am only talking about the Jessica Mann case, specifically, I'm not talking about California. I know that he assaulted women, or else why the hell would he pay such a huge sum of money for part of these civil suits if he wasn't actually guilty, in my opinion? He is guilty there. But when you hear about this, you're just like, man, I have, I've spoken to victims who have horrible stories. And I understand there's also what a, you know, not every story is the same, not every survivor's, you know, I get that, I totally get that. There's just something about it, you know, when you're sitting there and you're like, okay, well, you know, this feels strange. Some are more compelling than others, for sure. Yeah, it just doesn't, I don't know. And I, I mentioned to you guys when I walked in, like, you know, we're in court yesterday and Alvin Bragg walks in and you're like, oh, yeah, look, like, go, go get the criminal. Yeah, no, he's the DA. It's like, go, go catch the criminals, please. Like, this man in a wheelchair that is basically dead, like, he's basically dead. I'm sorry. Like, he's not a threat to our city right now. You're trying this man for a third time on a Class E felony. You know, like, I, I, I understand where maybe as a whole, it's important to, to the survivors or to, you know, people that, that. But it's political theater at the end of the day, him coming in there. A hundred percent. Do you think if this guy's name was, like, Johnson, like, we'd be here for that, Harvey Johnson? Right. No, we wouldn't be. It's because he's Harvey Weinstein. And for whatever reason, Alvin Bragg thinks that, like, winning that case will make him look good. And I just, I think it's, it's the opposite. I'm, I'm kind of pissed that we're spending our, you know, I live in Manhattan. My money is going to that trial. It's so silly. I understand what you're saying. And then, and also the Jessica Mann, the, the victim and all this. Like, she has to tell her story over and over again. Again, I'm not especially moved by her story. That's, that's my opinion. But that doesn't mean that, you know, she didn't necessarily go through it. Sure. I'm just saying, to make her get up there for, right? How many times now? That also seems weird. Yeah. It's just, those cases are also, you know, like, we hear about the Weinstein one because of, and rightfully so, like, how powerful, how powerful he was and, and the people he took advantage of. But then there's all these other cases that are powerful people that just maybe aren't on the news, national news, or you don't know their name or whatever, but it's the same kind of thing or worse. And, you know, you're going out there and getting the story. So I, I was unfamiliar with the Utah one. I'll have to look into that one. You have to, you have to look it up. Like I said, it actually makes me sad that I, I can't, I wasn't ready to, or I guess I wasn't prepared to speak on it. But I went so deep. I went so deep up all night talking to survivors. I mean, it, it's, it's a lot. It's crazy. So maybe, maybe for another time I'll, yeah, refresh on. Yeah, that's him. He is. Yeah. No, I, it's. Yeah. We got, we also, we got to get Pizzolatto in here. We got to figure that out. He's fucking goaded as a writer, but yeah. One of, if not the most, common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give you my top 10 book recommendations right now. Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show, you can do so via the discord link in my description below. And finally, you can join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the Patreon link in my description below. As always, please take one second to hit that subscribe button. If you haven't already, I really appreciate that. Also the like button. The like button's a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description below. All right. Well, let's get, let's get back to the missing scientists. Yes. Because we left off, Garcia was interesting, some lack of details, but also reported as a danger to himself, but not other people. That could be a clerical mistake or it could be what the fuck. But the guy, Chavez, who was retired, 78 years old, retired from Los Alamos. He had been prior to working at Los Alamos. He worked at an HVAC company. So the way. The way I understood the reporting was that he had a high level clearance similarly to Garcia because he had access to a lot of serious stuff at Los Alamos, but he wasn't a scientist and he was probably working on HVAC. Some of that was a little unclear. What do you know? Yes, I. So I also reported that he was an HVAC tech. Now, again, I could not independently verify this through public affairs. I am still working on it. But he disappeared in May of 2025. On foot, he left his home in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and his neighborhood was the Denver Steeles neighborhood, which is not as isolated, right, as some of the others. But his wallet, keys and cigarettes were on the living room table and his car was locked in the driveway. And he, per a friend, had his friend said he never carried a cell phone. So what did he have any documented medical issues pertaining to potential? Early onset dementia or something like that that people have discussed? Nope, not not that's been reported. I've never been seen again. There's no body, no body. He they said he hiked in Pueblo Canyon often, but it didn't seem like he left home that day to prepare for a hike. Right. And the weather wasn't that great. So why he left his home, that remains a mystery. Do we know how long ago he had retired from Los Alamos? I don't. I'm not. Again, I'm not. No, I'm not sure. Again, that just goes back to public affairs being like, sorry. So it's tough. You got to find sources. I did reach out to one source that I found on Facebook. I'm still waiting. So that seems to be the key here. But again, it's like not many people want to talk about this. Right. And again, that could be nothing to because he wasn't one of the scientists or something like that. He was someone at least working on at least something else that's not related to actually dealing. He wasn't dealing with any weaponry or advanced technology, but he could have had access to see something he wasn't supposed to see if you want to go there. Pure spec. But so that's the three that were the non-guaranteed non-scientists. We covered the MIT guy and we covered Jason Thomas, the Novartis guy, which seems to be totally, totally separate. But then there's two more classes. The first one is Amy Eskridge, and then the second one is the five scientists, some of whom we've already covered. We'll knock out a couple more and then kind of get to McCaslin a little more. Yeah. But Amy Eskridge, like I was saying, when we had a chance to look at some videos of her and everything over the weekend after we recorded this last one, some of it feels a little bit like, and I don't mean to be insensitive here, but that she was a little nutty. Definitely not dumb. No. For sure. She was definitely smart. I do have a friend who. I'll say spoke with someone very close to her this weekend who assured him that, A, she was dead, B, it was suicide, and C, yes, she was smart and could work on some things, but she thought she was a 10 on the smart scale, but she overestimated how smart she was and drove herself crazy because of that. And so that's why. Yes, there are times, of course, when people are like, Like, I am not suicidal and things like that, where they're saying it in a perfectly calm tone and just being clear as, you know, a kill switch kind of whatever. With her, it was a little bit more like, are you not? You know, like, I'm just saying hers was, she wasn't the kind of buttoned up person Carl Grillmare was. Yes, 100%. I would agree with that. Her parents have come out and said, look, scientists die. Oh, they have? Yes. Her father said this, Dr. Richard Eskridge, who was a former NASA scientist and also founded the Institute of Exotic Science with Amy. They worked together. And look, her messages have been surfacing online recently, which, yeah, they say things like she thinks she's being watched. Someone went through her underwear drawer. She feels. Threatened. It is in writing that she said this before her death, which I think fuels more speculation as to, like, look how perfect this is. She was saying that somebody was after her and then she died. Well, I had a source reach out to me and say that she was suffering from some delusions. I, you know, again, it's tough because, you know, we can't say one way or another. We can't say one way or another, right, because we are not privy to all of her work. We know that she did not have any type of government clearance, right? So she didn't have anything. No, not that I could find. I know that she, those videos, she keeps saying disclosure is coming out of Huntsville. It is coming. In my opinion, some of those videos, and I'm not a doctor, right, of course, she seems a little twitchy almost. Tweaking. Tweaking. Something, like on some kind of medication that I couldn't necessarily pinpoint. But it all felt too odd and too perfect that she was saying these things and then it's like, you know, she didn't kill herself. There's no way. Eric Burleson recently came out, and there's no proof behind this, but he said that she could have been affected by something called Havana syndrome, which is a condition tied to unexplained neurological symptoms. So, and that could have been that she. She was exposed to something, right? When she. Yes, a directed energy weapon. Yes, there you go. So, again, you know, but Ross Coulter has come out and said, no, she did not kill herself, you know, and he's done the research, but. Ross also said the egg was an alien. Yeah. I don't know about that. Listen, I just don't, I'm not. No disrespect. I just, I think Ross sometimes runs with anything in the I want to believe syndrome case. So, that's not the. For a story like this, that's not the guy I want to believe. That's not the guy I'm going to go to first on the facts. Right. Agree. I totally agree with you. I'm just. I'm not trying to shred him. No, but I think it's important that we sort of put all this, you know, in one pot and then kind of stir it and see what we have here. But, yeah, I don't think that, I think that she most likely killed herself. And it was also misleading when the Daily Mail came out with it and said 11 scientists now dead for the missing scientists when, in fact, this was back in 2022. Right. And she would have been the first one on the list, by the way, that's deceased. Do we have a video of her talking deep so that people can see this? I'm sure there's something. It's the one where she's like, it's kind of from the neck up almost. That's where I sort of felt the tweakiness of, I don't know. Yeah. Now, she's in Huntsville. He's going to pull this up in a second. Okay. She's in Huntsville. That's where NASA has, what is it, Redstone Lab? Or am I making that up? Is that what it is? Oh, sorry. It's like Redstone. Redstone Lab or something like that. Basically, they work on all kinds of propulsion stuff there. Huntsville is also one of the places where, like, the Operation Paperclip, you know, Nazi scientists. Redstone Arsenal. Yeah, Redstone Arsenal ended up going to, similarly to Wright-Patterson, which you mentioned earlier, and I put a little checkmark in that. We'll come back to that. You know, there's a lot of alien-related or UFO-related folklore from those places, some of which may not be folklore at all. It could have some truth to it. But, you know, that all. All being together and then the fact that her father is a legitimate, long-time, well-known NASA scientist, it gets, righteously so, it gets people thinking. But here is her, I guess, shortly before she died. Let's just get a little Amy just to hear kind of what she was talking about. It's been independently discovered four other times. He said it has been suppressed every. Single fucking time. And he said, I don't think they're going to suppress it this time. Talking about disclosure. He said, I think you're in the clear. He said, they obviously know about you because I've had multiple, both protective and threatening interactions with various agency affiliations, whatever. He was like, if you haven't had a U.S. government agent come to you and say, stop, shut the fuck up, stop, shut the fuck up. If that hasn't happened. They're going to let you do it. They're waiting. They're, like, there are SSP motherfuckers that are fucking twiddling their thumbs. Like, is Amy not going to publish soon? Gah. We've been influencing this bitch forever. Doesn't she know we want her to publish? Jesus. Like, there's multiple people doing that right now. And on the other side of the fence, there's multiple parties looking at each other like, didn't we tell this bitch three years ago that we kill people? Is she not listening? What is she doing? She's still doing it? What? We told her we were going to kill her three years ago. So I have these two, like, I have these two different scenarios floating constantly in my life where I have people being like, do it, do it, do it. You're the one. Do it. And then I have multiple people being like, they're going to kill you. Don't do it. They're going to kill you. Okay. D, have you had something on this, too? Yeah. I saw something the other day. I wasn't sure if you saw this, too, that there was reports that she had, like, quit pain medication, cold turkey as well. Her mom said that. Yeah. Her mom said she was experiencing pain. I don't know. Again, I'm not an expert, but looking at that video, she's maybe drunk, maybe. Something is in her system there. Something is not. I'm willing to say. I mean, it's the mannerisms, too, the itching, the nose constantly, the, you know, the hair. She's constantly. She's constantly moving. She's slurring a little bit. There's a few words that she slurred. Her eyes look very, very big. Yeah. There's something off about that. So, yeah. Maybe that was when she was on some kind of pain medication. And it's like, why? So, this was Jeremy Reese's show, Alien Scientist Online, to be clear. You know, I see him at the top there. So, I assume that's what it was. Again, doesn't mean it totally rules it out, but why is someone who also. might be on something going, and if they're allegedly this close to the world's most famous, deepest, darkest secret, openly talking about it on a Zoom YouTube channel? You know what I mean? Like. Yeah. Some red flags are flying with that. And I also do have to say, and this will, if this reveals some bias, it's only fair that I say this. I've just seen some shit with this space. When you start getting to the UFOs and the people who come out and talk about them, I have seen some horrible bullshit and stuff get proven later that, like, okay. Because I totally believe aliens exist. I totally believe we're not alone. But it's like, what are they coming out and telling us? I'm not even saying they haven't been here, but why are they openly volunteering all this stuff? And then I've seen behind the scenes some stories that were brought blow up. Meaning, like. Yeah. Proven totally false. That then other stories that I thought had decent evidence, which might still, I don't know. But it leads me to question it because, like, I know that the same guys who brought those stories are the ones who brought this one. Yeah. And I do feel like if you are saying out loud, they're going to kill me. If I do this, they're going to kill me. I don't think necessarily the people that have. Information to be killed over, potentially, are going to do that. Are going to behave that way. Edward Snowden never did that. That is my opinion. Yeah. So I just feel like this. It's not connected. And I do. I believe at this moment that she did take her own life, tragically. But. And the thing that sucks for the parents is because the father strictly had that title and worked at NASA, everyone's going to be like, well, that's what he's forced to say, or that he's a part of the. 100%. And listen, can't say 0% chance, but, you know, I think you got to be careful making that leap, especially when you have other evidence in front of you where you're like, clearly she was loosening her deck a little bit. Yes. 100%. And like, listen, she went to. She had some serious degrees and stuff like that. Yeah. This was not a dumb girl. No, no. But she definitely had. had some at least reported history of delusions does that mean for a fact she's lying about everything no but you should be very skeptical especially considering the fact it took the daily mail so long to go back and find her and then say she's the 11th but really she was the first yeah you know and you found out she didn't have government contracts because that's what we thought she did when from where though we went oh we went on air because this had just happened we were and that's we're that's why we say pure spec with some things because like we're trying to be careful with where the facts line up or where something's going to change because we find out something new but when we talked about her for a few minutes that was at you know her location where she was and the company that she worked for you know we thought therefore was contracting with the government i have found no evidence of that i mean but so but that doesn't i i mean i guess there could be a chance but i have found zero you um yeah zero yeah okay so now back to mit's out of the way nevartis is out of the way eskridge is out of the way for now the other three who weren't scientists are out of the way we talked about grill mare grill or gromar he was working on a caltech guy who had worked with jpl working on finding liquid on foreign exoplanets out in the fucking galaxy pretty important stuff his wife says nothing to see here really quickly because you had mentioned you had something that i didn't on the other two guys where there was no listed cause of death one of the people i was thinking of in the obituary i forget his name in the obituary i mentioned give donations to alcoholics anonymous the other one where it claimed there was no cause of death perhaps you're going to correct me on that he was also 61 he wasn't 30 right people die right 61 they get cancer you're talking about two different people yes okay yes but can we go through these two guys yes so first we can talk about michael david hicks you had mentioned in his obituary it did read quote donation and michael's memory can be made to al-anon.org that was in his obituary michael david hicks was a planetary scientist affiliated with jpl and nasa he contributed to asteroid research um just work i guess related to planetary defense missions um he died in 2023 and his cause of death is actually available publicly on the los angeles medical examiner's website and so i am looking at it right now actually um let me send you if you want to see sure my i put this in my most recent story from the other day i'll send it to you deep welcome back freaking frack welcome to the jungle abc wednesday abbott is back it's gonna be the best year yet thank you now we can finally turn this up and everyone's going wild y'all think you run this school but you don't it's going great abbott elementary anything can happen in the jungle right guys season premiere wednesday on abc and stream next day on hulu hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just 20 at bj's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save um okay so his uh cause of death is arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease that's cause a cause d uh sorry other significant conditions are morbid obesity and the one thing that um i guess a conspiracy theorist could take note of on this is the body status not brought in the medical examiner's office never saw the body but that's completely common if someone has a heart attack and first responders you know show up and determine what happened they don't necessarily need to send the body to the emmy's office they won't accept it and also both of those things what was the first what was the official name of the heart condition arteriosclerotic cardiovascular disease okay so heart problems and obesity are two things that could be i'm not saying they are but they are also related sometimes to alcoholism of course because you're not exactly active yep in that case not necessarily everyone but sometimes that is the case so yep would make sense and again there's this is where you have to look at the numbers a little bit there's tens of thousands of people very smart people working on things like this some of them yeah are obese some of them have alcohol problems and you know what at some point they all do die we all die you know and again he was what 58 he was 59 okay yeah so again he's not 30 no you know he's younger there's some issues there and you know i understand why people are asking questions but i tend to agree with you that feels pretty natural to me it does it does i mean again without digging too much further i personally i did not feel the need to contact his family about that um you know and i guess as i continue to work on this story i probably should just so i can say that i checked all the boxes right but in the immediate as i'm digging that i just sort of pushed to the side i said okay i can sort of for now anyway until i get a little more information i can you know table that and move on to the next one now maywald was also working at jpl he's the one that died at 61 where they claim there's no cause of death listed and he his work also at some point involved exoplanets and trying to determine if there was scientifically habitable worlds there which would include trying to find liquids on these planets which is very similar to carl grillmare's research yes yes what what what am i missing there so with frank um what i will say about that is that he reportedly he was german um reportedly he died in los angeles that is what his obituary says however he uh is not listed on the medical examiner's website so i will say that he is not listed anywhere um it could be because maybe his his name is you know i've tried a bunch of different names francis i've tried you know i've been i looked up like the german version of francis i've tried you know i've tried you know i've tried you know to see if there was one i haven't really found anything i have not reached out to his wife yet i have her contact information but with frank everything that's listed on his obituary and the guest book and um you know from from what i've seen they all say that frank was just this larger-than-life guy always smiling always cracking jokes always hugging people and the notes and photos of him and there's a lot like this is a lot of information and i think it's a lot of this man looked like he had a lot of friends and a lot of fun too by the way um it's just it's it's joy it's laughter it's love and i'm also not an idiot i know that anyone could paint that picture but to have that many people in his life paint the picture of happiness and love and joy and they're talking about his work they're saying how brilliant he was how you know what i mean and somebody there's there was messages about how he was uh a manager and he trained this person and that i just i didn't necessarily i didn't necessarily i didn't necessarily i didn't necessarily see anything again that would cause me to really want to dig further when there are other cases that seem to be a little more suspicious like i said the one thing um i did notice is that he's not he's not in the database um interesting so that that is something to look into though absolutely yeah definitely so we can get an update on that if if you track it all the way down yes for sure yes okay now at the top of the pyramid though are the ones we started this with that we touched on just some of the weird shit but we can get deeper into now which is monica yes and then and general mccaslin general so with monica it's so sinister too with the disappearance story where she's i believe she's walking with one friend they're both experienced hikers which as we said the other day moral of the story don't go fucking hiking people don't don't go for a long walk alone with nothing like just stay at home maybe this doesn't happen but she's hiking and the friend looks back at one point she's 30 feet behind she smiles and waves and the next time he looks back she's like oh my god she's like oh my god she's like oh my god she's gone and as you said they've searched across all these acreage they found nothing but what was what was the nature specifically of her work and when it overlapped vis-a-vis jpl and you named another company earlier with the general yeah um let me go back if you don't mind please so i have i've spoken to several sources in monica's life actually and i got a little more information about that hike so apparently the terrain that they were on is what was the terrain that they or is very steep and even the most experienced hiker probably shouldn't jog or run and for whatever reason monica decided to run the male companion that she was with i believe encouraged her to run i am told by a source that this male companion had a habit of sort of pushing the limit maybe putting people in danger too much um they all knew each other that the hikers and of the searchers from a yoga group, because Monica was training to be a yoga instructor. the practice of yoga that she um was practicing it incorporated vedic science and astrology so it was in her her wheelhouse and this one source said you know i didn't really know much about her prior work i just knew she was a scientist the crazy part is that the male hiker who last saw her and again they should have never been running but they were he gave the last known coordinates he also gave the last known coordinates to where they found her hat and i guess she had like a visor on and her scent seemed to stop at the hat which is also very weird but her last known coordinates were actually much closer to uh the road or the highway than i think a lot of people initially thought yeah so um and again i'm learning this because i'm in a facebook group and i'm just like you know messaging all these people i'm trying to call them and and some of them are um again receptive and they'll tell me certain things but let me just put it this way i know who the last person she was with i know who that is um i've chosen at this point obviously not to put his name out there you don't want the internet turning on them and i don't know enough but this person if he wasn't already should have been grilled by police was she married not not that i know of um i another source had told me that um they had a younger family member who just looked up to monica like a motherly figure like she was just so incredibly sweet to everybody um did she have any kids was she divorced no not that i i've seen and and again um it's weird because some of the people that i talked to it's like they knew her but they they didn't almost they knew her through yoga so um it's this it's this community so going back to i guess you know what she had worked on and how she overlapped with general mccaslin and you know i learned this based on her uh her linkedin page so she goes by monica jacinto if you want to just pull um that up but basically one of the companies um and there's only two companies listed it's like uh it's um god sorry rocket yeah it's aerojet rocket dine yep that's her and then yeah um and then material science pratt and winning engineering at aerojet rocket dine yeah so now general mccaslin when he was at let me see when he was at the air force research lab at wright patterson that was 2011 may 2011 to july of 2013 and so monica she was at pratt and winning engineering at wright patterson that was 2011 may 2011 to july of 2013 and so monica she was at so that is where i believe there was a government contract well i also saw there was overlap in the early 2000s between the two of them with jpl i believe okay so i could have been two places i did not see that this is yeah this is what i i was looking at and so obviously pratt and whitney is a major um aerospace company that designs and builds aircraft engines um specifically for military jets and commercial airplanes and and she was also said to be a total genius you know she uh co-patented this burn resistant metal alloy and um she was just working on a lot of stuff and i just think that her disappearance is worth talking about because like general mccaslin she appeared to vanish into thin air and that's what i don't get you know this person's last known coordinates and i have looked at the i mean like i said hundreds of thousands of acres but i've studied this area even though it would be better if i was there i've spoken to people that have hiked this they have all said we should have been able to find her it shouldn't be that difficult months and months and months dude like months all right so two questions one have there been other reported like rape kidnappings and stuff like this on these trails and then two what kind of animals are we dealing with out there yeah so the that's it's interesting i there's not uh there's not a lot of rapes or or kidnappings i guess but there are like coyotes for example um for one for one or two coyotes to get her without a scent totally away with no blood trail sounds crazy i was just about to say you they they don't sorry an animal is not going to eat her entire body there's going to be a scream exactly well so there was a another document floating around twitter okay and i don't know the origin of this document i had just seen it and it so i don't know i don't know again you know how valid this is but there was a report that she disappeared or she was last seen around 9 10 a.m around 2 30 p.m per this document again i don't i don't know um other hikers heard screams at 2 30 but five hours later but again it's like well then why why is it that in all the articles that you see initially when you know when the police are putting this out there why why didn't we know about that why didn't we hear that it just seems strange so it's very strange yeah and so i don't know i'll take that with a grain of salt i just don't i don't know if i can sit here and say oh this was a tragic unfortunate hiking accident or incident when we haven't found her she disappeared june 2025 is that right june 22nd i believe june 22nd yes all right this is really reaching i'm just throwing it out there because it's interesting she disappears shortly after they bomb ford oh okay mccaslin disappears hours before they invade iran again um is there anything there i don't see any evidence for that but i was gonna say i mean look by all accounts monica was retired per her friends now if she was working on something classified obviously her friends would not know that's right but i would think that you wouldn't have the time to be participating in a yoga group right i don't know and and training to be a yoga if you're retired and you're pulled into something classified to do something part of it is you gotta you can't tell anyone and so you gotta have a cover which involves living your life okay they're not gonna pull you in the lab 24 7 because people are gonna be like where the did seem to have a lot of time with these friends in this yoga group. They all describe, you know, hanging out a lot, being close like that. But again, they just knew her as this retired scientist. And she had never been married, never had kids. So I could not find anything about that. I don't know. Yeah, because she was calling herself a different name on LinkedIn. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different last name. Exactly. So I mean, again, she, you know, I couldn't necessarily find anything, but I didn't ask the sources this when I was discussing this with them. I was mainly focused on her disappearance. What did the other hikers say about, so when she disappeared and he realized she was no longer behind him, what did he do? How soon before he called the cops? What was that? I think it was, he kind of was confused. You know, he was looking himself for maybe an hour. I'm not certain about that timeline. But I do know that he was looking for her. That, and I'm just saying, quote, her family. That's her family. A source told me her family was kind of like, why, why do you always let her go behind you? Like, and the word always was used, like, like, maybe this was a thing, you know, like, why didn't you? Why didn't you? I don't know. And you said they were very close to the highway? No, where she was. Yeah, closer, not very close, but closer. How close are we talking? I'd have to get the. The coordinates. I actually. Within a mile? I can get the last coordinates. I actually put them, you know what? I put them up on Twitter this morning, actually. I put. I can't tell how far away we are there, Deef. Like, what? Yeah, and. That could be fucking 30 miles right there. So there it is. It's hiker last seen, and then her hat found. So it's last seen at 34.3417. So there it is. So there it is. It's not 0.34. It's 34.34. Okay. 34.341756. i've never done that before i yeah i don't know it'd be interesting to see how accessible it would be for someone to be able to get in there it's hard it's hard to it's hard to tell on right on some of these maps um oh yeah maybe you could do it that way but i actually it's funny because i am so bad with this i actually sent the coordinates to a geo profiler so he's gonna get back to me on that yeah um so you know we'll see like i said i i don't know everything but hopefully i can find the people that do know a lot more than me um but yeah i i do know that they had said yeah her family was kind of like what the hell to this guy um and we don't know if the cops have grilled them you gotta assume they have i'm assuming they have because right like it's yeah it's it's kind of like that's that's their job to talk to the last person that who found the hat him or the cops i don't know who found the hat um that is that is unclear i was actually looking through the facebook group to see if i could you know is he married i don't think so interesting yeah i yeah yeah so if you walk into the woods one walks out oh there was a female companion as well but i cannot get information as to where this female companion was at the time there's two of them so that's what i thought yeah no there was talking like it was only two no yeah it's it's weird because i don't know enough about where i'm kind of like well where the hell was this girl again work in progress um you know still trying to get these answers because for me it's like i'm in the middle here of like trying to figure out from an investigation standpoint like location wise geography and then it's like you've got their their work backgrounds as well you know you've got to separate them first and then sort of put everything together i guess for sure yeah now this is june 2025 yes mccaslin who we demonstrated at least one overlap with perhaps two over the years he disappears february 27th 2026 on a friday went out for a hike in the morning or with just the shot or just the pistol like we said which his wife didn't even know he took at the time and that's all we got now his background we alluded to it earlier that it's a who's who and what's what and you've mentioned a few places he's been but can you just yeah run through the highlights of that real quick so people understand yeah and before i ask that did he have any demonstrated medical conditions or any dementia related things or stuff that could explain him wandering away his wife said no dementia just the the mental fog or the brain fog which was frustrating for him but not a huge deal um i guess he was somewhat at risk i guess when they they put out the silver alert for him and also multiple what is the silver it's like uh here i'll show it it's like when someone older goes missing but there was one for nancy gothrian um yeah but multiple people have mentioned to me that live in the albuquerque area that they didn't get the silver alert right away which is very rare so i don't know why i don't know um you know i i'm not sure why that would be but it was brought up to my attention interesting yeah um another thing i just want to add is that on february 19th that is when trump put on truth social that he would be releasing all of the uap files yes yeah so um you know yeah there it is and i think it says welcome back freaking frack welcome to the jungle abc wednesday abbott is back it's gonna be the best year yet thank you now we can finally turn this up and everyone's going wild y'all think you run this school but you don't it's going great abbott elementary anything can happen in the jungle right guys season premiere wednesday on abc and stream next day on hulu hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just 20 at bj's.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save yeah due to his medical issues i don't know his wife you know she didn't really allude to any type of medical issues which is so strange yeah that was very very weird um but yeah so general mccaslin he um he was a commander at the air force research lab uh stationed at right patterson he um was the director of special programs at the u.s department of defense um he worked at the air force base where he was um he worked in space acquisition uh programming he was um he was at the one in la too i think for a while too he was uh el segundo yeah california and then um he worked at uh the air force research lab and he was the director of special programs at the u.s department of defense lab in new mexico as well uh it was yeah in the early 2000s um he was the director of operations um in colorado at an air force base and he um mit educated harvard mit he was air force academy before that yep and you know his wife you know she was dispelling uh a lot of the the rumors she did this in march basically and i go back we talk about it a lot and i go back and i go back and i talk about this earlier where i think that maybe she respectfully was was dispelling before she possibly knew all of the facts and all of the details and and i said this the other day like what what do you tell your spouse about work when you are working in you know a sector like this she also said quote it is true that when neil was in the air force he had access to some highly classified programs and he was a member of the air force and he was a member of the air force programs and information he retired from the air force almost 13 years ago and has had only very commonly held clearances since it seems quite unlikely that he was taken to extract very dated secrets from him hone in on that it seems quite unlikely she doesn't actually know she's just saying like i don't know but it seems unlikely but like what what do we actually know um she also brought up the fact that neil he has a brief association with the ufo community through tom de long um and tom de long was a former blink 182 front man founder of uh the organization of the stars but then if you want to tie uh hillary clinton into this there yeah there there were emails um yep when his when his uh computer was was hacked whatever the russians hacked um yeah his his stuff there was emails about general mccaslin and tom de long and so she said that things sort of died down and so she said that things sort of died down and so she said that things sort of died down after that but she says and and again she could just be saying this she says they were only talking and working together about um sort of a fictional media project that that tom was working on yeah she said that she said um what was it exactly she said oh yeah tom's fiction book and media activities that was her her exact words so she said this connection is not a he doesn't have any special knowledge about the extraterrestrial uh bodies and debris from the roswell crash stored at wright patterson well if he did is he gonna tell you like is he gonna tell you i don't that's the other thing probably not but his wife's also like a serious scientist too yeah right but it doesn't matter like she didn't work next to him and so that's when she sort of said you know maybe the best hypothesis is the aliens beamed him up to the mothership and that's not helpful no and it's not helpful it's not helpful it's not helpful it's interesting you know you go back to like you never you never want to don't victimize victims but you're just like man you i don't know her as a person but it is interesting that she's cracking jokes right that just might be her personality but your husband's missing it seems like a i don't know i don't know people what do they say people grieve differently yes that's exactly that is true but like if you're doing erica kirk pyrotechnics for fucking seven months afterwards and never around your kid and seemingly excited to take over at some point people can be like all right come on uh i mean yeah i i get it i totally get it and and that's what i say like i'm not trying to like i'm just i think it's interesting she made it interesting interesting um and and interesting that you are addressing these things and you are sort of you know trying to stick a pin in them her 911 call i found to be very interesting well because she said the words you know i don't i have to i i had it written down somewhere but she said and i'm paraphrasing it would indicate possibly that he did not want to be found based on the fact that he changed clothes he left what he would normally take back at home um you know and and i go back to saying like researching this area if you know the area very well it would be very easy to slip away and not be found um and and i continue to get just amazed so much about the fact that she said sometimes and how people can just leave, walk away, run away, and, you know, they don't seem to be, and I'm not talking about General McCaslin, but other people, right? They don't seem to be highly intelligent. They don't seem, you know, but they evade law enforcement. They seem to hide from the world, from the public view. I mean, what was that football coach that had child, do you remember that? Out of, I'm just shocked. He seemed like a dumbass, and we still haven't found him. Travis. Oh, I remember this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was a few months ago. They still haven't found that guy? Not that I know, you know, I should check. I'm checking right now. Yeah, the high school football coach. No, they haven't found this dude. Missing Virginia high school football coach, Travis Turner. That's his name, and that's what I'm saying. Like, we still have not found this guy. He seems like a regular dumbass to me, and it's like, what? Why? He walked off, again, with a gun. He could be dead somewhere. Or, but also, if he's dead somewhere, what? Well, maybe Nambla has a fucking underground railroad, and they just get all these fucking scumbags out, which is not what we're talking about with McCaslin here. No, but that's what I'm saying, where it's like, how, it's mind-blowing to me, but with McCaslin, he's intelligent enough, I do feel like, where if he doesn't want to be found, he's not going to be found, but. He is, there is no doubt, when it comes to potential military secret-related alien folklore and UFO folklore, if you will, he is a form of a Forrest Gump. When you look at his career, if there's a there there, and there's certainly some sort of there there, whether or not it's what they tell us is a totally separate question, but like, if there's a there there, he is on a short list of candidates of people who would have multiple levels of intelligence related to those things. Now, being on the To The Stars Academy is also sketchy, because like, that is just filled with intel guys, like, Jim Semivan and stuff like that, who sometimes come out and make these huge claims, and it's like, all right, what are they really, my thought is, what are they really distracting us from, you know, but. Yeah. For him to so systematically walk out like that, change clothes, take a handgun, leave everything else behind, don't put on the Apple watch, don't tell your wife about it, leave, and there's no trace, they find the Air Force sweatshirt, how far away? A mile and a half east. A mile and a half away, so he shed, that was the sweatshirt, he wore out, he shed that, or he was forcibly taken off him, I don't know. We don't know if it was his. We don't, oh, so we don't even know if he was wearing that. But that's, no, they found it, and that's what I'm saying, like, nobody could identify. His wife couldn't identify him? No. That's interesting. Yeah, it's weird. And you know, something else, Eric Burleson has been coming out and saying, I reached out to General McCaslin twice, and then he just disappeared. And I reached out to his office, you know, about this, trying to get information. Was unimpressed. I mean, I was thankful that I got a response, but I was a little frustrated by the fact that he seems to say so much more on network news, and I couldn't seem to get anything out of him, except I don't want to speculate on anything out of respect for his family, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, you're on the news talking about how you guys reached out to him. So when I saw this, I reached back out to his office, and I was like, I don't understand, like, why don't, you know, I, I can't watch every report, and I can't watch every podcast to get, get information, although I'm trying to. But if I email you directly, like, maybe you could include certain things, like, right, and say that. And so I just said, I heard him say this, can you let me know why? And, and I know the why, because he wanted information. I mean, the whole UAP disclosure conversation came up, I think, you know, with the House Oversight Committee back in September of 2025. That's what the letter said when they were asking for all the videos, but it was something relating to that, I believe. And I just said, like, can you give me a timeline here? Like, like, you know, why, you know, you wanted to find out more info. And, and his office just said, the investigation, oh, okay, they said the investigation began in the spring of 2025. And I think the big thing here is he said, our office has reached out to dozens of individuals. Okay, well, you're not saying that. You're only saying you reached out to, to McCaslin. So you reached out to dozens of individuals who I'm assuming are still with us. So stop doing shit for clicks. It's, it's annoying me. Like, he, McCaslin have retired in 2013 from government sometime in there. So what's it's funny, because his wife said, yeah, he retired 13 years ago. His LinkedIn says that, yeah, well, it's he's a boarded director somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's doing things, right? He's, a consultant. Yes, he's a consultant in another company. So he's still, as I'm saying, he's still places where he's very intellectually engaged on the things that are part of his expertise that he spent all his time in the government about. And he definitely holds, you know, access to having seen highly, highly classified things throughout his career from someone who is also just not a traditional military guy. This is a literal, like rocket scientist kind of trained, specialty trained dude. I mean, his credentials are out of this world. Now, have you ever had any interest in like, looking into UFOs and what we know or what we don't? Yeah, I've been, I've been all into that. And I will say that I have spoken to some individuals that Dr. Bill Byrne, I don't know if you've heard of him. He produced the show UFO Hunters on the History Channel. He co-wrote the book, The Day After Roswell. And he's a bit older. And doing a, doing a video interview with him was interesting because he had like the, his phone, like up his nose. So it didn't look great. You know, I'm here, but I'm not a cat. Yeah, no. And so it was that paired with some of the stuff that he was saying that was so out of this world where he was like, no, I've spoken to emissaries. I've spoken to aliens and they told me this and I'm just like, oh, all right. He went all the way there. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I've spoken to people like that. Then I'm talking to people like that, but I, I'm trying to go more middle ground because I do believe, like you said, you know, we're not alone. I think it would be naive to think that we are the only species right on this planet. I just don't think that, or not, I shouldn't say on this planet in, how do I say it? I know what you mean in the galaxy and the universe. Yes. In the universe. Thank you. Yeah. I don't think that there's little green men. I don't think that we're talking about Independence Day when they're in like glass, like, I don't think that there's little green men. I don't think that we're talking about I don't think that, but until it happens, this, I will say has taken over my life to the point that like I was in church on Sunday and I'm just like zoning out a little bit. No. Um, and like flipping to the Bible. And I think it was like Ezekiel one chapter four wild where, um, I mean, you'd have to pull this up to really Ezekiel one. I think, yeah, you'd have to really pull this up where Ezekiel is is warned by four creatures that are essentially sure this ain't a Pulp Fiction quote. No, no, no. He is, he is warned about the Israelites. He, as something beams down, right? Beams down four creatures with like multiple faces. Um, they also talk about the wheels on this. Yes. I mean, it is, I literally was freaking out. I showed my husband, I was like, Oh my God, I'm like, Oh my God, I'm like, look, look, look, look. And he was like, you're insane. Like you are, you are really, uh, let's see. Ezekiel one, four key details, a windstorm from the North. Ezekiel witnesses a massive divine windstorm. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get it. Because it's like my 30th year in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kibar river, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God on the fifth of the month. It was the fifth year of the exile of King, whatever the fuck his name is. The word of the Lord came to Ezekiel, the priest, the son of the land of the Babylonians there, the hand of the Lord was on him. I looked and I saw a windstorm coming out of the North and immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal. And in the fire was what looked like four living creatures in appearance. Their form was human, but each of them had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight. Their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze under the wings on their four sides. They had four faces and four wings. They had four human hands. All four of them had faces and wings and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead. They did not turn as they move. Their faces look like this. Each of the four had the face of a human being. And on the right side of each face of a lion and on the left, the face of an ox. Each also had the face of an Eagle. Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward. Each wing touches that of the creep touching that of the covering its body. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures. It was bright and lightning flashed out of it. The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. Where should I skip to? You should go down to when the living creatures moved, the wheels beside. Or you can go above, actually. The rims were high. As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground besides each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels. They sparkled like taupe. paths and all four looked alike each appeared to be bat made like a wheel intersecting a wheel as they moved they would go in and out four directions the creatures faced the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went their rims were high and awesome and all four rims were full of eyes all around when the living creatures moved the wheels beside them moved and when the living creatures rose from the ground the wheels also rose wherever the spirit would go they would go and the wheels would rise along with them because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels yeah when the creatures move they also move when the creature stood still they also stood still and when the creatures rose from the ground the wheels rose along with them because the spirit of living creatures was in the wheels maybe it's a paraplegic angel i don't know it might be in a wheelchair it's possible it's they had a face of an eagle and an ox i'm sorry at the same time that to me those are aliens come on come on and and we are talking about a ufo with the wheels come on in my head i was reading that in samuel l jackson's voice and the wheels were turning yeah no but i mean how wild is that it's kind of wild pretty nuts it's right nuts and i'm trying not to be i'm trying not to be nuts i'm trying not to be nuts but yeah eight days after he says they're gonna release the ufos yeah mccaslin goes away yeah did something go off in his head where he's like oh no oh no or or did he's gotta go yeah i don't know i don't know or it could be the the question here is are there foreign operations because guys like that would certainly be sought after by any country including allies you know you could be in the uk and be like oh that fucking that nuclear fucking air force guy over there we can get some good info out of that chap yeah i guess i'm wondering and it's it's you know it'll take a lot more research but how many guys out there are like general mccaslin are there a lot are there like i said if eric burleson's office is saying we reached out to dozens of people okay but not with his full kind of resume there's not a lot you would think but i don't i don't actually know i haven't seen anyone like that running all these bases it's yeah it can't be a lot because he ran some of the most serious places and it's not one or two he ran like five yeah yeah yeah yeah i know i know i know we're talking long career military man like full true and blue yeah part of the team and then afterwards when he leaves he's working with the guys who are very much still on the team like the jim semivans of the world yeah you know it's weird it's very weird it's weird i'm trying to be level-headed about it i'm trying it's yeah and like i said i wish i could spend all day on this i i actually really wish i could but i do cover a lot of stuff so it gets taxing yeah it does get taxing but it's an important story i think thank you guys for checking out this clip if 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