In this episode of Saved Not Soft, host Emmy Moore tackles the challenging question of why a good God allows suffering. She begins by explaining that this topic arose from a conversation with a follower who struggled to reconcile God's goodness with the existence of pain and tragedy. Moore argues that, for those rooted in faith, this question is actually easier to address than other theological mysteries, but it requires understanding God's nature and His original design for humanity. She starts in Genesis, where God created the world and humans to live in perfect harmony with Him, not out of ego but for genuine relationship. However, Adam and Eve's choice to eat from the forbidden tree introduced sin into the world, which brought shame, fear, and separation from God. Moore emphasizes that God did not create suffering; rather, it is a consequence of human free will and disobedience. She explains that love requires choice, and without the ability to choose God, true love cannot exist. Therefore, God limited His power to allow humans to freely love Him, even knowing the cost. Suffering, then, is not orchestrated by God but is the result of sin and evil, which He permits to draw people back to Him. Moore concludes that God's character—being just, loving, and truthful—means He could not have created a different system without contradicting Himself, and His ultimate desire is mercy and restoration through repentance.
Hello, hello everyone, and welcome back to Saved Not Soft.
What's going on, everybody?
Hope you guys have had a blessed week so far.
Hey, I'm ready.
Today I'm feeling kind of like chill, very vibey,
but also very excited because I know God
is just gonna speak through this episode.
And I am very excited for this episode
about talking about why a good God allows suffering
because I tackled this topic a few months ago
when a girl tagged me on a post saying,
basically she was just saying,
you know, I would be a sold out Christian
if I just knew why God would allow suffering
if he's so good.
And I kind of tackled that conversation
and I wanted to bring that into a podcast episode form today.
So there's one room to talk about it
and two for us to like really be invited
into the presence of God.
And experience his goodness
and not just our perception of what we think good is,
but actually embrace Jesus for who he says he is.
So if you do not know me, my name is Emmy Moore.
I'm the host of Saved Not Soft.
Also, I just feel like saying this.
One of my best friends, Imani,
she met somebody who had like a Saved Not Soft t-shirt
and she was like, oh my gosh, you watch my bestie, Emmy.
She's like, oh my gosh, I love her, all this stuff.
And she took a video of her and she was like,
hey, Emmy, I love Saved Not Soft.
And I feel like I realized I don't do this as much,
but I guess I do because people who follow me
literally be doing this.
But it's okay.
I don't even know where this came from.
But anyways, my name's Emmy Moore.
This is the podcast Saved Not Soft.
But what is Saved Not Soft?
Saved Not Soft is a catered podcast
to let you know that you are heard, seen, and loved by God.
You are adored by God.
God loves you.
He has compassion upon you.
And it's just, this podcast is supposed to be used
as a tool to help you out.
It's a tool to help you out.
It's a tool to help you navigate the Christian lifestyle.
This podcast isn't a replacement for God's word
or a replacement for God's presence.
Rather, it's just an opportunity for you to experience
the presence of God through learning tools in scripture
and prayer and fasting and community and et cetera.
Amen.
So I'm very blessed and happy that you guys are here.
And I hope you learned something very new today.
That's my prayer for y'all.
So let's pray.
Let's set the atmosphere and let's allow God to do
exactly what we want him to do, which is show up
and be good, which he already is.
Amen.
So let's close our eyes to your heavenly father.
Thank you, Jesus, God.
Thank you for this day.
Thank you for fresh breath in our lungs, God.
We don't take our breath for granted.
We don't take our lives for granted, God.
We are grateful for your presence.
We are thankful that you have called us and chosen us, God.
We accept you calling us out by name, Father.
And God, I just ask that through this episode,
Father, that you just help us navigate your sovereignty
and your goodness, God.
God, I just put to death all expectation
of what we think good is in our version of good,
in our version of sovereignty, God.
God, we open our eyes, our minds, our hearts, our ears,
our hands open to receive your goodness
for what it truly is and not just a fabricated version
manipulated and transcribed by us, God.
God, we give you the pen to be the author of our future,
of our purpose.
We give you the purpose of everything, Jesus.
We give you full control, God.
God, I release to you the responsibility
of this podcast, Father.
God, I ask that you navigate through this word
and you encourage my brothers and sisters
on the other side of the screen
and that you meet with them a compassion and a passion
and also simultaneously in order.
But God, most of all, I ask that your love
is the thing that arises
and it's the thing that keeps us glued to your spirit.
It's the spirit of love, God.
Let us receive you.
Let us receive you today, God.
I love how your word says we're only able to love you
because you first loved us, God.
So, God, let us embrace and receive the love
that you have for us so we can love you better
and love our brothers and sisters better, God.
God, I ask that you use me as a vessel, Father,
that I am just a, I am literally just a vessel of you, Jesus.
God, I just ask that you use me to speak your word
articulately, that there is no stuttering
or no inconveniences, Father, but instead
that you just love us.
Just use me as a voice to cultivate truth, God.
God, I decree and declare that this is your podcast,
not mine, your platform, not mine.
We're here for nobody else but you, God.
We want to receive you.
We don't want a self-defining, self-seeking gospel.
We want a gospel that's all about Jesus.
So, remind us of your goodness
and how you love us so, so deeply
and let us receive it.
So, we thank you and praise you
and I seal this prayer in Jesus' my name.
Amen.
Amen.
So,
like I said, what really inspired me
for this episode was
a conversation that I had
a few months ago
and I feel like
one of the questions that
a lot of unbelievers have
towards Christians that's kind of like
an aha, I got you moment is
oh, well, if you claim your God
is so good, then
why is there suffering?
Why is there children who have cancer?
Why are there good people
who are experiencing bad things
and I feel like it's
a really intriguing
and intimidating question
when it's prompted
but if you're deeply rooted in the faith
I would actually be confident to say
that this is probably one of the more easier
questions for me to answer
versus some other things theologically
that have been very difficult
for me to understand.
I think it's so funny that people don't understand
the sovereignty and goodness of God
and why we suffer
but then,
other topics are
theologically a lot more deeper
but I think this is one of those easier ones to tackle
but if you do not know Jesus
it's going to seem
very intimidating
and very harsh in a sense
for you to understand
but when you fully do get the picture
as to why God allows suffering
and why He's good simultaneously at the same time
you get to experience the compassion of God
that He has first ordained
for us to experience with Him.
And so, I think when we talk
about why does a good God
allow suffering
it kind of just shows us
this
contrast between
okay, well God is good
in suffering. Obviously those things shouldn't
be in the same melting pot
and I just want to add
language, biblically and theologically
as to why God allows suffering
that He doesn't permit it
and God does not orchestrate suffering
but God allows it to happen in order for us to
experience the compassion with Him.
And I think
that's something that a lot of people get confused on
well, why does suffering have to happen
in order for compassion to be placed with God?
Is it there any other way He could have done it?
Why do I have to suffer
on the behalf of God? All these things
and we're going to talk about those things today
so buckle in because the Lord is just going to say
what He's going to say. So let's just go
to Genesis chapter 1
we're going to start there in the beginning
anytime I have a question about Scripture
or I get really stumped in an area
just a little life hack, I usually go to the same
two spots. I'll go to the crucifixion
and I'll go to the beginning of time
because that will usually show us
two avenues as to
where we could be falling and where we need to be more
appreciative. So a lot of the
reasons as to why we fall in the same
cycles is because of the same things
that Adam and Eve fell for in the garden
and then the reason as to why we're saved and
redeemed, well, that's what Jesus Christ
has done. So those are kind of two pivotal
stories and I think
the entirety of the gospel and this love
story we have with God, that's super important
and so in Genesis chapter 1
through chapter 3
we're seeing this unraveling
of God creating the heavens and the earth
the birds in the sky,
everything in the water and below
it and then he creates male
and female and while he created
all the universe and said that it was good
he created us and said that it was very
very good. And so we have to first
know that God created male
and female and humans in general
for the intention for us to be
in correct and perfect harmony
with God. God's intention to create
humanity wasn't for us to do
all these things for him or to
alter or accelerate his
ego, but rather humans were created
with God because God wanted to
enjoy his relationship that he
made with his creation. So the reason
as to why we're alive isn't because
we're made to make God egotistical
or because we're
called to do all these things, but
humans, me and you, are simply made
to be admired and
loved by God.
And so we see that man and woman were
made and then we see that Adam's
name in all the animals and everything
and then we come to
Genesis chapter 3 and we see that
there's a snake planted
in the Garden of Eden. And so God
gave Adam and Eve very simple instruction
and he said, look, you can eat
from any of these trees, but this
one right here, you cannot
eat from this one. This is the
tree of the knowledge of good and evil and
you are not allowed to eat from
this tree. Whatever you have,
everything else you see in this
garden, you could touch, you could eat, you could
swing from the trees, but this one right
here, that's a no because you will
surely die. And so we go to
chapter 3 and we see that Eve is acting
just a little delulu and she goes
up to this tree and this is
when we have our first, or when
she has her first encounter with Satan.
As us reading the Bible,
this is the first encounter we have reading
about Satan and who he is and the
attributes of which he holds. And so
Satan, who is
masked as a serpent,
then tells Eve,
well, if you eat from this tree,
like, you will
certainly not die. For God knows that if you eat from it, you will be just like him, knowing and
obtaining all knowledge of what he has. God just don't want to share with you. So because Satan is
deceptive and because he's crafty and intelligent in deception, he tricks Eve into eating the fruit
of the tree of knowledge against evil. And then she gave some to her husband who was right there
with her. That's a completely different story of Adam being there and allowing her to eat the fruit
when he should have stepped up and did something. Okay, but that's a different conversation.
And so then after that, this is when sin imparts into the world, right? By the way, all this,
you have to understand in order for God to allow suffering. And so sin then imparts into the world.
And what does Adam and Eve do? It says that their eyes were then open and they saw themselves and
became ashamed. They saw that they were naked. And it's funny because they were naked the whole
entire time.
But the moment that sin has entered the world, it took their eyes off of God and it finally put
their eyes upon themselves. And the condition that they were always in, they were now made aware of
because sin had now given them a different lens. And so when sin came into the world,
it addressed shame and fear. And because of that, Adam and Eve then hid from God.
And he's walking in the cool of day and he's looking for Adam and Eve and he's saying,
where are they? And they're hiding behind the bushes, trying to make fig leaves of
clothes and garments for themselves. And God is asking where his creation is because he wants to
spend time with them. And he sees that they are hiding. And so whenever he does find Adam and Eve,
Adam and Eve then tell God that they were afraid of God because of what they had done. So they hid.
And so then from that, God declares a consequence, not because he has hatred for them or because of,
you know, because he had some sort of malice or wrath towards them, but because God had to release
a judgment in response.
And so that consequence was given. And then that's when we see God knitting wool for Adam and Eve and
even in the midst of their sin. And so whenever sin imparted into the world, that then opened up
a whole entire door for people to rebel and come against the things of God. And so the question as
to why, why does a God who was good allow suffering also kind of stems from the question of like,
why would God allow sin to happen in the first place? Because suffering happens because sin
happens, but sin happens because God took a risk by giving us free will so he could experience true
compassion with his, with, with his creation. And so when we see Adam and Eve in the garden,
first Adam and Eve were created with the intention to be in perfect harmony with God, but yet it
didn't happen because they were sinful and they fell into their own desires and they believed the
serpent. And so the question is,
why did that happen in the first place? Why did God put the snake there? And why did they have the
opportunity and the choice to not choose God? And we first have to understand why God created
mankind in the first place. And it's because of one thing, one thing only because of compassion,
because God wants to, wanted to experience a legitimate relationship with his creation.
And in order to experience love, love cannot exist outside of the parameters of freedom.
And so what that means,
is that when, when, when love comes into play, there also has to be a choice.
So love is like a two-step process or it's, it's a two-stepped, uh, two-step definition,
I would say. So love requires two things. Love is a feeling, which is compassion and empathy and
love and, and excitement. Like love carries an attribute that's, that's, that's embedded,
embedded into a feeling. But then the other side of love is also an action, which is accompanied
by choice. So this is why you see married couples who have been married for years and years and
years and years. You ask them, you know, what has kept you married for so long? Why have you been
able to keep your marriage? So, so, so great and tied together and rooting in Christ and all these
things. And these couples will say each and every single time you have to choose to love one another
because there will be days where you wake up and you don't want to feel like love for that person,
but it's an active choice.
So love is an action, which is accompanied by choice, right? So in order for us to experience
love for God and him for it, for him to experience compassion for us, there has to be choice in the
midst of all of this, which means in order for us to have choice, there has to be an opportunity
for us to exercise free will. And so the reason as to why free will had to happen and why there
is ultimate good and ultimate evil is because whenever you don't have the power to choose,
you don't have the power to love. So God gave the power of choice and he limited his power
in order for his creation to freely choose God, even if he knew the expense of it because he
wanted to experience a relationship. Because if God forced you to love him, would you consider
that love? No, because God is forcing you to love him. So love wouldn't truly exist because it's
represented by dictatorship. So what the Lord God had made for us,
to experience and why suffering had to come into the world is because whenever you don't choose God,
when you don't choose love, which he is the definition of, you are choosing the other side,
which is ultimately sin. And sin is the absence of God because there's people who indulge in sin
and they think that it's good and they're, oh, well, this isn't harming my life and this isn't
hurting me, but it is declaring separation from God. And that's what sin is. Sin is separation
fully from God. And God is declaring separation from God. And sin is separation fully from God.
God doesn't want to create a creation or a species to where he's unrelational because God is good.
God is just. God is loving. He is the definition of love. And he wants to experience creation with
humans. Like he wants to partner with us. And I think that's really special. And so while the
earth was created for us to be in perfect harmony with God, God limited his power. And then through
that, because Adam and Eve didn't choose God, they chose sin and therefore it entered into the world.
And so the next question would be, well, if Adam and Eve sinned, what does that have to do with me?
Why did, why do I have to struggle and be in suffering because of what Adam and Eve did? Like,
I don't even know them. They lived like thousands and thousands of years ago. What does that have to
do with me? Because the moment that Adam and Eve sinned, after them, their sons, they sinned. And
then after them, they sinned. And then this is literally how the human species was created.
Through repopulation.
Sin became hereditary and it started a widespread and it kept continuously happening. But God had a
beginning from the start that he was even going to use sin in the midst to bring people back to
the heart of God. Again, God does not permit suffering or let alone does not like it. Nowhere
in scripture will I ever say that God likes to see his people perish. If anything, Ezekiel 33,
11 says that God does not take pleasure in punishing the wicked. Get that. He doesn't even
take pleasure in punishing the wicked. You know how many people here on this day
see pleasure and wicked people getting tormented and killed and mocked and scorned? Like God doesn't
even take pleasure in that because God has empathy for everybody. So we have to understand that the
judgment of sin is released, not because that's God's, that's God's actual desire, but it's because
it's the designated response. Like with sin comes judgment, but God's ultimate desire is mercy,
but that only comes through repentance. If you want more backstory on that, you could definitely
watch my episode, God, please heal me, where we talk about repentance, restoration, and God
ultimately like healing our sufferings and et cetera. And so I, I want to
kind of capitalize and expand the idea of like, God uses suffering to draw us near,
but God doesn't create suffering. Instead, he just uses it and allows it. And it's not because he wants
to watch us suffer, but it's because that's just the condition of our worlds. And that's just the
condition of what we're experiencing. Right? And so when I, someone that, a question that somebody
asked me on this, on this video, when I was talking about suffering and et cetera, well,
if God is so almighty and powerful, then why couldn't he have done it another way?
Why couldn't have God made a species or made, made a way to where, you know, sin did come into
picture and we were able to choose, but like, why couldn't he make a different system? And it's
practically knowing that God couldn't have done it any other way, because if God did it any other
way, it would have been contrary to his very nature and character. God allows suffering to
happen. He doesn't create it, but he allows it to happen because he allows freedom and choice,
right? So if God gives us the ability to choose a AKA choose good,
or evil sin is able to be imparted in some way, because it's the repercussions of evil and not
choosing him. It's not something that's created by God and suffering isn't at the hand of God.
Suffering is at the hand of evil and of disobedience and of sin and free will. So it's like a mixture
of all these things that all declare separation from God. And so when, when I say that God couldn't
have done it any other way, because it would have been contrary to his very nature. The Bible says
God does not lie. According to Titus two, one or one, two, that God is just second Thessalonians one,
love. There's characteristics about God to where he couldn't have done it any other way
because of the nature of who he is. And where does that come from? We don't know that because God
is a spiritual and an internal being. We have very small, finite minds and God is an infinite
creature. So for us to even go down that rabbit hole, you're not going to find the answer to that
because you don't know because you're not eternal yet. We're eternally together with Christ whenever
we pass away from this earth and inherit a new heaven, which is after this. But as of right now,
there's just some things that you're not going to know and you're going to have to be comfortable
with that. And so I think also with the conversation of, man, why does God allow suffering?
We also have to address the truth of the matter of fact that we have to lose somewhat of our
understanding. Even if you're a Christian or not, it comes to a point to your life to where you
understand.
Or you have to realize and understand that you're not going to know everything. Even if you're Albert
Einstein, even if you're the smartest person on the entire earth and you've sent all these things
to space and you do all the stuff in the sea and I don't care what it is, but nobody, and I mean
nobody on all of planet earth actually knows anything completely in all certainty. No one is
all knowing like God. God has granted us wisdom.
But is there one person here on earth who knows everything a hundred percent certain? Absolutely
not. And so that's why the word of God is, is, is so impactful for us Christians because we believe
it's a hundred percent truth because it's breathed by God. But do we know all the mysteries of heaven?
Of course not. Because the God who has created this world is eternal and we're just so, so little.
And so I think loosening your understanding and embracing trust in the Lord and coming to a quicker
realization that you don't know it all is actually going to free you from a lot of baggage and
pressure to know everything. Like how great is it that I actually don't have to stress out about all
the extremities of my life because God has already gotten it figured out and I just have to trust in
it. I think that gives a lot of relief. Even in the midst of my trials, God will, will grant me the
provision and he already knows what's going to happen. And my job is just to trust it. I think
it's being okay with not knowing anything and no one on this earth is fully certain. Like even when
we talk about like science, science is a literally accumulated by predictions and hypotheticals.
Even these mad scientists and people who have studied like the earth and the stars and the
universe for decades aren't even completely certain. That's why. So I,
I'm a mentor and I disciple, uh, I work in high school ministry. I've been doing it the past
four years. And one of my girls, but she knows who she is. If she's watching this, she is probably
one of the smartest people I think I've ever met in my entire life. Every time we sit down and
have conversations, she always brings up a question that just stumps me like no other,
but not like a stump of like, Oh dang, I don't know. But it's, it's like she, uh,
knows so much about science and she, she works in like, well not works, but she's in school
cause she's in high school. She's like in all the bio stuff. And she's, she's literally studying
something so insane right now. She's studying how antibodies are found in alpacas to cure cancer.
It's like, this is the person I'm discipling. Right. And so I will never forget one day when
she told me she was like, well, because, because she loves science,
so much whenever we come and have conversations about God, we'll kind of mesh these,
these scientific and godly conversations together because science is honestly, it's,
it's just the discovery of like our universe and the earth and everything that's before us and what
we perceive and see. But then also like science backs up God and it's like finding God. And so
whenever she comes and I disciple her, like we talk about what she's learning in school and et
cetera, I will never,
I will never forget when she told me that no one, like not even the greatest scientist is actually
ever sure, which is why whenever you see claims, whether if it's like a medicine or whatever it
may be, it, it never claims this will do this. This will heal you from this. It's like, this
has the ability to do this or hypothetically, or this possibly like there's never certain language,
even in science, because I think there's people who stray away from God and they're like, oh,
well then I'm going to do this. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to do this. I'm going to do this.
I'm going to involve myself into science and all these things that are more certain, but it's like,
they don't even know as much, which is why their language in scientific language,
language is super like what ifs and hypotheticals and predictions. And some of those things are
effective and could be true, but none of it is ever a hundred percent certain. Right. And so I'm
not saying that they're not effective. I'm not saying that science is a hoax. I think science
is great. I just think that if, if you don't think, um, you know, if, if you think science is going to
give you all,
all power and all knowing of everything, I'm going to be the first to tell you that you're
absolutely wrong because even the smartest of the smartest people who have ever existed
here on planet earth, they did not know everything and they were never fully certain of anything.
And so a part of you receiving the peace of God is actually loosening and surrendering a part of
your understanding to him and noticing that you're not going to know it all and that you're not going
to, to have it all figured out. And
there's a piece in that when you realize that you're not responsible for that, God's responsible
for it. You are just responsible for doing what he has called you to do, to be loved and cared for
by him. Right. And so the Bible says in Isaiah 55, eight, it says, my thoughts are not your
thoughts and my ways are not your ways. So like the way that God operates is so far out of our
understanding that like we can't tangibly reach it. We can as much as we can through scripture
and things that he has given onto us on the earth.
What he reveals to us in the spirit, but more so like in a, in a realistic sense, even if you were
the smartest theologian, you will not understand all the mysteries about God until you see him
face to face. And it's, it's more so perspective and seeing that things are always different from
a different angle. Right. And so let's go back to the, the overall, this all bleeds into each
other, but if God is a good God, then why is there suffering? Because I understand that there's people
who are going through really awful circumstances, whether it is you or your family or someone you
really love about, they're dealing with a sickness or a disease. And you're like, well,
this person has cancer because I sinned that one time. Like you're telling me that this person
deserved cancer. And it's like, nope, that's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm actually not
arguing that any of us, like, I don't believe like God looks at us and he's like, you deserve
cancer. That's not what I'm advocating. My point of what I'm saying is that because sin entered
into the world, it fell onto those who were wicked and also those who are good. And that is just the
reality of the earth that we live in because God allowed it to happen in order for us to experience
a compassion with him so we could freely choose him. And so a lot of people would be like, well,
why is God loving then for him to allow that? And the simple answer is just like, he's loving because
he wants us to make decisions for ourselves and not be, and not be manipulated by God. He wants
authenticity. Even though God does not permit or ordain suffering, God still allows it to happen,
but not because it's his will. But I believe God is so gracious and so compassionate that he will
even use our sufferings that are deserved or not to teach us something and to draw us closer to him.
And there's been a lot of areas in my life where I've been like, I don't know, I don't know,
to where I suffered really badly, whether it was abuse or getting taken advantage of or going
through some sort of tragedy that impacted my life for the worse and getting caught up in addiction
and depression and almost committing my own life whenever I was 17 years old. And I no longer look
at those things and I think, wow, God wanted that for me. God wanted me to feel that way about myself
and He wanted me to experience that. If anything, I look back on those situations and I see where
God empathized with me and I see where He was strong for me in areas where I was weak and where
I needed Him, even if I didn't know Him just yet. And how God actually used those circumstances
to make me stronger, how God used very rainy days to just give me a rainbow, honestly.
And I think there's a lot of people who go through really terrible situations that
aren't deserved and they aren't fun and they could hold a lot of weight and trauma. And I've
experienced that firsthand. Even things that I have not shared on this podcast were one, the sake
of privacy and two, for the sake of just healing and et cetera. As a sister and as a human, I know
what it means to suffer. And I'm not acknowledging that suffering is fun. If anything, Paul writes,
in 2 Corinthians chapter 12, I believe it's verse 9 or 10, he says, that's why for Christ
sake I suffer. It's not for the sake of self, it's for the sake of Christ. Because you understand
that when God tells you to take joy in your sufferings, it allows God to just move and
reverse every single curse in Jesus' mighty name because he has compassion upon you. And so where
we know God has compassion for us is one of the stories, like I was talking about earlier, we were
talking about the garden in Genesis. And whenever Adam and Eve sinned in the garden, they created
fig leaves for themselves to hide themselves from God. And God is coming to look for them. He gave
the consequence of sin, one, not because he wanted to, but because that is just the judgment of sin
and that's what needed to happen. And even in the midst of their sin, and while God could have left
them for dirt, he could have started over and been like, know what? I'm done with y'all. Y'all
made me too mad. He then decided to provide for them. They made fig leaves for themselves, but
instead God knitted for them wool and real clothes made out of animals.
And God didn't have to do that because humanity sinned against God. And I think a lot of people
don't understand suffering and why people suffer because they're like, oh, well, why do good people
suffer? I think my question is, well, what do you consider good? What is good? And what makes you
the judge to determine what is good and what's morally good or bad? And do you believe that
there's people who don't fall short? Because if you look at every single person,
in, in, in everywhere, on every earth, in, in, on every crevice and corner of the earth,
everybody is flawed. Everybody has some sort of problem and we are not the judge of what is good
and what is not. And I think we have to release that judgment onto God and not become it for
ourselves. Because here's the thing. A lot of people will say, um, okay, so we're gonna,
we're gonna take two, two different types of people.
Just for you to understand like the aspects of good. So right here, we got a little boy who is
abused by his parents and who was beaten and mocked and hurt, spat on, bullied at school,
all these things. And he had such a kind heart. He was stripped of his innocence.
And there was a lot of extremities in his life that he had to endure. So we have this person
on this side. And then on this side, we have a man who is abusive, who,
who has gone to jail a multitude of times, who has done very harsh things to other people
for himself. He's an abuser. He's an alcoholic. He's a drug addict. He, he is a mocker. He's
prideful. He's adulterous. So we have these two people, right? We have this little boy who's been
abused and beaten. And then we have this man who's an abuser who deserves to go to heaven.
Is it, is it this little boy or, or this man? And then who deserves,
who deserves to go to hell? You being the judge, who do you think is more good based off of what I
told you? And so something I'm going to share just to give you perspective. What if I told you that
this man who was an abuser and alcoholic and adulterer, whatever it may be, had the same
past as this little boy. He was abused by his parents. He was spat on, mocked, abused, bullied
at school, kicked to the ground. What if I told you that this man who was an abuser and alcoholic
told you that this man who you would think as evil and atrocious and, and debaucherous and all
these things, what if I told, tell you that he was actually produced from an environment just like
this little boy? It gives you a bigger perspective of as to why this person is so wicked in the first
place because sin was committed on, onto him. And so we can't rely on our own understanding of what
good is because we would see the little boy version of this man and show sympathy. But then
as he's a man and making all this deliberate decisions, we would condemn him to hell. But
that job is only up to God. It is only up to God. And I'm not saying that this person deserves heaven
or hell. I'm just giving you perspective for you to understand and discern on your own,
because truly you do not know, no matter how good you think someone is, you truly do not know their
story. And the only person who is able to accumulate what good is, is God. And honestly, like we can
never,
we can never,
we can never,
even be perfectly good. Like God accepts us because of our repentance and because of what
Jesus did on the cross. And so we can't be the deciders of what good is because we don't carry
out perfect good. Like if I would say, if we were to be perfect human beings who perfectly carried
out what it meant to be good, then, you know, maybe, but the truth of the matter is, is that
we all mess up and all fall short. So we cannot be the contributors and the deciders of what
good is the ultimate good. If we don't even know everything. And so it's like releasing that onto
God and understanding that we endure suffering, not because God allows it or not because God
permits it, but because he allows it. And even through suffering, God is going to minister to us
and suffering is by the works of evil is by the works of Satan. It's separation from God. And it's
also just a repercussion of life. Even if you are someone who is toe to toe and just neck and neck
with God and you love him,
so, so much and you're in his presence each and every single day, you're still going to encounter
suffering because Romans eight says that those who want to share the glory of God will also share
his sufferings because we are heirs of Christ. And that's here on earth. Like we're enduring
a temporary suffering in order to inherit eternal glory with God. And it's because God has to
restore everything that the earth has swallowed up because of sin. And that's why we literally
have to die because God wants to perfect us and make us
whole and, and take us to a land of perfection, not live it, have us live as a stain on a world
full of sin. And so I want to talk about maybe, I guess, uh, um, well, I'll talk about this first
because even though you, we are sinful and even though there is sin in the world and there is
sickness and there is disease, that is no longer your portion whenever you are in Christ. So if
you're inflicted by the sins of the world or like, you know, you're in a state of sin, you're in a
disease and like all of these things, like you have the opportunity to step out of them by how
much belief and faith you exercise in God. So what does John 3 16 says? It says for God so loved the
world that he gave his one and only son for nobody to perish, but for us to have eternal life. So the
goal of God is not for us to perish, but for us to have eternal life in him. And because God loved
us so much, even though we were the people who committed sin and are bad each and every single
day, God loved us so much that he gave us one and only son for nobody to perish, but for us to have
eternal life, God still gave even when he didn't have to. And so Jesus was sent by God to pay the
debt that we could have never paid. Because here's the thing, like even after Adam and Eve committed
sin, God gave humanity time after time after time to come back to him and live in perfection,
but they weren't doing it and they weren't being obedient and they weren't doing the things of God.
And so he told them to, you know, sacrifice these animals and do all these things. And they were
still being disobedient. So
what did God do? He sent the ultimate sacrifice, the perfect sacrifice, which is Jesus Christ.
And through that perfect sacrifice, he redeemed humanity because Jesus literally took on the
sins of the whole entire world, like the entirety of the world, just for you to have eternal life
with God. Like get that all of sins of mankind, all the way back to Adam and Eve and beyond.
Jesus endured that in order for you to have eternal life with God. And so he sent the ultimate
sacrifice for you to have an eternal relationship with God. And the only thing you have to do is just
accept Jesus Christ as Lord and to pick up your cross and follow him. That's it. It's repentance
is getting up and it's following the things of God. And we have to understand that God is so
compassionate that while we were dead in sin, he still died for us. Even when you committed the
worst sin possible, you could think of the worst thing of your entire head. God will still die for
you, even at your lowest, even while you were doing the worst sin possible. And so he sent the
worst of the worst. God died. God sent his one and only son just for that. Like Jesus died for that
to redeem you through that very thing. And it's embracing that, right? And so we, the more you
embrace the cross and you embrace what Jesus has done for mankind, it relieves a lot of pressure
because you understand the price has been paid and you no longer have to come into agreement
with what sin and what the world has to offer. You're no longer a slave to sin. Instead, you are
just an heir now of God when you accept him. And so people are still caught up in sin because they
don't accept Jesus and they don't believe that he's good. And I, I really do think like in order
for you to see God as good, you just have to release your understanding of what you think good
is and allow God to define it for you. And, um, I think that's, it's opening your perspective.
It's seeing other sides of like, okay, well, if I think this person is really good, how do I know
this is good? Or how it's like, you really don't know at the end of the day,
God is the only judge. And it's like, I think a lot of people are like, oh, well,
if God is good, then why is there suffering? And then they'll turn to the universe and all
these crystals and these false gods and et cetera, and think that they won't carry the
same principles. And so it's funny that people will turn to crystals and tarot card readings
in the universe, and they'll have the audacity to say, well, if your God is so good, then why
is there suffering? But won't prop those same questions towards the things that they're practicing.
If crystals are so good, then why is there suffering?
If the universe is so good.
then why is there still suffering in this world if your false gods are so good then why is there
suffering the difference between your practice and between my true authentic relationship with
christ is that he actually has an answer and it's not that he permits suffering but god allows
suffering to happen because he's given us the freedom to freely choose him and with that evil
came into play not because he wanted it to happen but because people didn't choose god and that's
that and so i would even just encourage people who don't know the things of god and or or people who
have turned to these other things because they don't think god is good prompt those same questions
towards the things that you're practicing because the only thing that they're doing is throwing you
into delusion and into corruption at the end of it and so i want to talk into another thing which is
um a little more mature
um
, but definitely okay we're going to be talking about very briefly and i won't go super deep into
it i think another episode i might go into like a way deeper dive but to talk about generational
curses and what that is because sometimes sickness and the disease that you've experienced and
suffering that you go through isn't even on the behalf of yourself but it's from sins of those
before you so it could have been your mom your your god mom or not your god mom your great
grandmother
um and that's going to be okay we're going to be talking about very briefly and i won't go super deep
into it i think another episode i might go into like a way deeper dive but to talk about generational
and your great great grandmother all the way back to adam and eve like sin carries on so even though
you're purely innocent and there's a purity of of you or upon your life or even you could say for
the sake of children people who are experiencing disparities even when they're not deserved
are not at times mostly are not inflicted by themselves but it's inflicted by the people
before them so just to give you like super basic
terminology just like how okay the bible says on earth as it is in heaven so it shows that before
it ever happens on earth it first happens and it is decided on heaven in heaven and so just like
how there is like a natural state of sickness and disease there's also spiritual state of sickness
and disease just like how if you were to meet someone who has let's just say has cardiac
problems if they have like heart problems it's probably most likely in that family bloodline
there's there's a lot of people who have heart problems and they have heart problems and they
there's there's history of high blood pressure of some sort of heart disease of cancer whatever it
may be because it's hereditary right it runs in the family the same thing is spiritual so for an
example um well this is also just proven by psychiatrists and psychologists is that anxiety
is not a genetic mutation anxiety is taught it's behavior that's taught right so a lot of these
things like um for an example if
you have dealt with suicidal ideation or you know someone who's dealt with suicidal
ideation it's pretty likely that there was people also in that person's family who were dealing with
the same problems because everything is spiritual and just like how there is natural sicknesses and
diseases there's also a spiritual sickness and disease which is a generational curse so spiritually
what that looks like is because i'm the first generation first generational christian in my
family a lot of the things that i've been through i've been through i've been through a lot of the
things that i've experienced was sins on the behalf of my parents their parents parents and
their parents parents all the way down to adam and eve because no one repented and turned towards god
because i came from a family who who was enemies towards god and did not accept the gospel and who
jesus christ was so because of that a lot of the sins and suffering that i was dealing with were
not things that i deserved but they were passed down because people before me did not deal with it
and so generational curses are hereditary just like any natural circumstance so
whenever we read the ten commandments of god commanding the the people of israel we see in
verse five through six he says when he's talking about idolatry and he's given the first command he
says you shall not bow down to them or worship them for i your lord am a jealous god punishing
the children for the sin of the parents to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate
me but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments
beat that so there's such thing as generational blessings
and generational curses generational sorry generational blessings comes from the compassion
you have towards god so if you're compassionate for god and if you love him it says that showing
love to god will go on for thousands and thousands of generations for those who love him and keep his
commandments aka faith without works is dead so it's not just oh hey i love god and i care about
him but i'm also daily picking up my cross knowing that the destination is death but for those who
are in an iniquative lifestyle and have the same problems in their bloodline it was because no one
came against the sin that was happening and for my more mature audience what you're going to realize
is that a lot of sin that happens is manifested from a spiritual sickness like every physical sin
every sickness and disease is inflicted from something spiritually that is off bible i can
give you on the top of my head there's a story in second kings about king uzziah who was a king who
was being used by the things of god and he was doing all these miraculous things gaining a lot
of fame and then he became so prideful his heart literally turned into a full tombstone of pride
and from that he then committed an instance to where he went into he went into a temple and
burnt incense but he didn't have the authority to do so and leprosy broke out on his forehead
so sickness and disease took place because of his disobedience so but you got to understand like that
sin was already in his heart before it manifested physically even uh when i think of jacob and esau
esau was disobedient towards the things of god he was passive he didn't partner with god he was
denying the promise that god wanted to give him and there was a physical manifestation
of esau's sin like he's described as red hairy and rough and his sin manifested not even just
in himself but also through a nation and so when we see generational curses it's a
spiritual deposit that takes place which then manifests physically and so uh i i want to talk
more about this because i think people um as much as i can when we go to genesis chapter four about
cain and abel it's the first it's crazy because you get to like page six of the bible and it's
a freaking murder mystery not a mystery we know who did it but it's like you get to the fourth
like page of the bible and you're seeing that damn like homeboy just like killed his brother
out of nowhere
and it shows us that through this i'm gonna read genesis 4 10 this is after cain committed
murder towards his brother and the reason as to why cain committed it in the first place was
because there was hatred and malice in his heart and envy and unworthiness and shame
and that manifested physically because he failed to deal with it spiritually and so
says in verse 10 the lord said what have you done listen your brother's blood
cries out from me or excuse me let me start over the lord said what have you done listen your
brother's blood cries out to me from the ground so this was after abel died and god says this
very interesting statement that abel's blood cries out from the ground to god so even though
your great great great grandma who was cheating on all of her husbands passed away that does not
mean that that your mom could have been in the same place that your mom could have been in the
same place that your mom could have been in the same place that your mom could have been in the
boat your grandma or even you like if no one dealt with that sin and if no one was claiming the things
of god and renouncing it and denouncing it sending it to the pits of hell and repenting and turning
to god then there is an opportunity for that to manifest because it hasn't been spiritually dealt
with and so we know that this is referring to generational curses because we go to hebrews 12 24
and it says to jesus the mediator of a new covenant and to the sprinkle blood that speaks a better word
than the blood of the new covenant and it says to jesus the mediator of a new covenant and to the
of abel any any terminology could have been used in the scripture but it says that the sprinkled
blood of jesus speaks a better word than the blood of abel the blood of abel of which cries out
and the and and why the the the blood of abel is cried out is because at the end of the day like
spirits transfer blood transfers and it's like if you don't deal with sin if you don't deal with
what has happened or your anger
or or your wrath or your depression or your unworthiness of yourself it's like you're going
to pass that on to the next generation why do you think a lot of people who are in sin their parents
did the same thing that they're doing and so on and so forth because it's all spiritual just like
how there's a natural inheritance there's also a spiritual one and you could come out of the
agreement of sin and certain suffering when you choose jesus and not choose the way of the world
amen and so this
is the last thing i would like to prompt before we close out because we know that god allows
suffering because of freedom because in order for us to experience freedom that's the only way we
would have been able to experience love and also the the reason as to why we might be dealing with
things even though if it was inflicted solely by us it could have been because of our parents our
parents parents etc and it and what i want to say is that whether if sin that you're dealing with
because i empathize with you children of god i don't want to just like bypass this as if
people aren't really struggling
people aren't having a hard time because I know people are. And I know there's people who are
listening to this and have a hard time seeing God as good or seeing their situation as fruitful.
And I just want to encourage you that what has happened to you and what's going on right now
is not your fault, but it is your responsibility. It's your responsibility to finally choose good.
It is your responsibility to make the decision if you want to choose Christ,
if you're going to choose sin and a life apart from God. And I want to prompt this last thing
because I know why we suffer. We suffer because we're bad. We suffer because we mess up. We
suffer because we're sinful, right? And so I would just like to prompt this question because we
always prompt the question. We always prompt the question of if God is so good, then
why is there suffering? Why do we have to suffering? I have the answer to that. It's
because we're sinful, we're bad, and we mess up. So, okay, that makes sense as to why we suffer
is because we mess up and we're sinful and we've been in opposition to God.
But here's a question that I would like to form that I feel like we've never asked.
If God is so good and so perfect, then why did he choose to suffer? Because God is fully miraculous,
God is fully powerful, he's fully compassionate, he's fully good, and he's fully powerful.
So if God is all of those things and it claims to be true, then why did he choose to suffer?
And I believe that if we change our perspective of what suffering is,
we get to see that God suffered for humanity, not because he had to, but because he wanted to.
And suffering allows us to be in the compassionate heart of God because we get to empathize what God
has done for us on a way extreme, less of a. We get to experience the empathy of what God has endured for us on a less extreme of a level.
And so I think I finally understand at this point in my life what suffering means and what Paul means
by take joy in suffering. Because when I suffer, I get to experience the heart of God and I get to
experience a part of him I've never been able to experience before. And so I'm just going to leave
with that encouragement is that if God is so good and so powerful, then why did he choose to suffer?
If God suffered for you, why won't you suffer for him?
Why won't you suffer for him? Because God is a blameless God who is just right and perfectly
good. And yet he didn't have to suffer, but did. And so be invited into the compassion of God and
remain there because you just got to let your suffering be for the sake of God and not for
yourself. And your suffering allows you to empathize with God in essence. And so I think
it's beautiful. And like, man, the crucifixion is just something else because when you learn the
extremities of what Jesus endured, which I don't even feel like I could go into it right now
because I would just cry. But Jesus, do you want me to?
Man, I feel like I'm just going to cry, but it's okay. And before God would ever give us an outlet,
for us to empathize with him and to experience that suffering with him, we have to first
understand that God empathizes with us in our suffering. Like Hebrews 4, 14, 15 says that for
we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weakness for he has been
tempted in each and every single way, just as we have yet has not sinned. So God literally sent his
one and only son because he wanted to empathize desperately and deeply with you to just understand
your weak. So it's like, when you understand that Jesus was sent in order for God to empathize with
us, it gives you such more of a heart for God because God didn't have to suffer. He could have
left us to suffer, but yet he chose suffering. Like he is a perfect and good and just God.
And he chose suffering. And I think sometimes like
we're so cocky and confident and egotistical within ourselves that we probably need to
repent for to where we look at our suffering and we'll cry out and ask God, why, why did God
allow me to suffer? Why did God allow me to do these things? As if he didn't, as if he wasn't
put up on a cross and endured our sins on our behalf. And I want to take out this imagery that
we have of like cute little Jesus having nails through his hands on a wooden cross. Like when
you understand that Jesus, man, I can't say this without crying. So I'm just like going to try my
best to push through. But when you understand that, oh my gosh, okay, I could do it. Evie,
just talk about the crucifixion, what Jesus has done for us. It's so good. When you understand
that your suffering is nothing compared to what Jesus did for us, like he stood and was pinned on
that cross, like naked. And sorry. Oh my gosh. He was naked. They whipped him. I'm sorry.
They whipped him till blood was gushing out of him and his intestines ringing out and his,
and they spat on him and they placed a crown of thorns on his head and bogged him.
And they made him carry on top of that a 200 pound cross to a hill on which they would kill him on.
And then the people he loved the most abandoned him and left him. Even his own father,
left him for a moment. And when Jesus died on that cross, like every time he went to breathe,
like he literally had to lift himself up just to get a breath. Every time he breathed, he literally
had to like extend his chest up. And while he's doing that, he has like all these opened wounds
on the back, on his back, literally like being impaled again by like the splinters of the wood
on this cross. And he's like, oh my gosh, I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't breathe. I can't
breathe. And it's like, just trying to get some air. And it's like, you have the audacity to ask
why God allows suffering, but you don't look on what he did for you. Like Jesus didn't have to
suffer, but yet he did because he wants to live in perfect harmony with you. And we just look at
the cross once a year as if it's just some sort of friend with the Easter bunny. Like this isn't,
and you know, he's cool. Like I understand that Jesus Christ died for me and like died a very
extreme, gruesome death where they like cut him and marked him. And so, yeah, I think once you
see the sufferings of Christ, you no longer see the sufferings of self. Instead, you just embrace
them because you just get to share a part of God.
That's it. And so seeing God as good is all up to you. Because if you're watching this video and
you're finding every single reason for God not to be good, you are going to find it. And it's
because you're coming in with the intention to see God as not good. But it's like, what would
happen if you just died to that for a moment and open your mind of what it actually means for God
to be good? And not just your
perception, but like what he actually says. And people could go to parts of the Bible where,
you know, God could have been like super wrathful and all these things, but it's like
these things were never inflicted by God. It was always these people inflicting it upon themselves.
I promise y'all, if you were to see all this biblical stuff that was happening
in Old Testament times, you're like, oh, like why would God wipe out a nation
like of these innocent people? Because these people was not innocent. You want to know what
they were doing? They were killing. They were prostituting themselves. They were having sex
with animals. They were doing all these things completely debaucherous. And it's like, you think
these people are perfectly innocent and God is just punishing people for no reason. It's like,
no, like sin punishes itself. Like God doesn't punish. Like what we're seeing, like suffering,
like that's the work of evil. That's the work of sin. It's not the hand or the work of God.
Like he's the judge of who's good. And we get to,
be in right standing with God in righteousness because of Jesus. And that's all through
repentance. But it's like, you don't choose what good is. Even if you want to believe it up and
down, you do not. You do not. You are not the decider of ultimate good or evil. It's only up
to God. It's just a matter of releasing it. Amen. So yeah, I'm a hot mess, but you know, that's the
I think it's good to be wrecked in glory by what Christ has done for us because it
keeps us in a posture of humility. But suffering isn't fun, but I take joy in it because I know
it pleases God and he can use it to teach me something. Amen. So yeah, I'm not really going
to do announcements like that because I feel like I should just leave this as it is. The only thing
I'm going to say, y'all already know what the announcements are. They're all down below. Just
look at the description. That's it. Yeah, I think the biggest application I'm going to give is
don't just take Emmy's word for it. Go and discover God for yourself. You can find that
all throughout the scriptures. If you want to know who God is, it's really all through here.
And take away every preconceived idea that you have about God and let him just teach you who he
is. It's like me.
I think someone for the first time that you've only seen on the internet and that you've heard
about, and then you think you know everything about them just because you've seen them on the
internet and because you've heard your friends talking about them and all these things. It's
like, nope, you actually don't know them as much as you think you do. And so we have to kill those
expectations and we have to kill the expectation of who we think God is and actually allow him to
reveal himself and speak for himself instead of us deciding who he is based off of our perception,
rumors, and et cetera, but really discovering God.
And that can be done through prayer. It can be done through scriptural reading,
through community, church. But yeah, my request is for you to stay there and just meditate. And
don't take my word, take God's word, because I'm not on Emmy's side. I'm on God's side.
Amen. So yeah, anything down below, if you got saved through this podcast, if you
pray a request, if you feel led to tithe, whatever, all links are down below. But until then,
I love you guys. I will see you next week.
And be blessed because God truly does have compassion for you. It's just a matter of
choosing him because he chose you and he loves you. Just choose him back. Amen. Okay. Love you guys.
Bye.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Emmy Moore hosts the Saved Not Soft podcast, focusing on Christian living and experiencing God's presence.
The episode addresses why a good God allows suffering, inspired by a question from a follower.
Suffering stems from sin entering the world through Adam and Eve's disobedience in the Garden of Eden.
God created humans for relationship, which requires free will, and love cannot exist without choice.
God does not create or desire suffering; He allows it as a consequence of free will and sin, using it to draw people closer to Him.
God's nature (just, loving, truthful) means He couldn't have created a different system without contradicting Himself.
The episode emphasizes that suffering is a result of separation from God, not His direct action.
Summary:
In this episode of Saved Not Soft, host Emmy Moore tackles the challenging question of why a good God allows suffering. She begins by explaining that this topic arose from a conversation with a follower who struggled to reconcile God's goodness with the existence of pain and tragedy. Moore argues that, for those rooted in faith, this question is actually easier to address than other theological mysteries, but it requires understanding God's nature and His original design for humanity.
She starts in Genesis, where God created the world and humans to live in perfect harmony with Him, not out of ego but for genuine relationship. However, Adam and Eve's choice to eat from the forbidden tree introduced sin into the world, which brought shame, fear, and separation from God. Moore emphasizes that God did not create suffering; rather, it is a consequence of human free will and disobedience.
She explains that love requires choice, and without the ability to choose God, true love cannot exist. Therefore, God limited His power to allow humans to freely love Him, even knowing the cost. Suffering, then, is not orchestrated by God but is the result of sin and evil, which He permits to draw people back to Him.
Moore concludes that God's character—being just, loving, and truthful—means He could not have created a different system without contradicting Himself, and His ultimate desire is mercy and restoration through repentance.
FAQs
It's a podcast hosted by Emmy Moore that aims to help listeners feel heard, seen, and loved by God, providing tools to navigate the Christian lifestyle through scripture, prayer, fasting, and community.
God allows suffering because He gave humans free will to choose love, and love requires choice. Suffering results from sin and separation from God, which entered the world through Adam and Eve's disobedience.
No, God does not create or orchestrate suffering. He allows it to happen because of human free will and the presence of sin, and He uses it to draw people nearer to Him.
God gave free will so that humans could genuinely love Him, as love cannot exist without choice. Forced love would be dictatorship, not true compassion.
Sin became hereditary after Adam and Eve's disobedience, spreading through all generations. Suffering is a consequence of this inherited sin, but God works through it to bring people back to Him.
No, because any other system would contradict God's nature of love and justice. God's infinite nature is beyond human understanding, so we cannot fully grasp why He chose this way.
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