I Wasn't Even Listening (with Natalie Haynes)

this BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. You might drink it every day, but did you know that the history of tea is steeped in skull duggery, colonialism and industrial espionage? I'm Greg Jenner, host of Your Dead To Me, with a comedy show that takes history seriously, and in our latest episode, we spill the tea on tea. Join us to unpack the ancient Chinese origins of the drink and find out how it became the national drink of modern Britain. Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello and welcome to Strong Message Here from BBC Radio 4, the guide to the use and abuse political language. I'm Amanda Inouchi, back from the summer break. We're back, we're here, we're here for the duration. We've got in all our emergency supplies, who knows what might happen come the winter. That chuckle is from Natalie Haynes. Hello, hello. Stop piling, obviously, just to make sure. Oh yeah. I'm getting my canned goods ready. Yeah, and this week's phrase is, I wasn't even listening. Well, Andy Burnham was on a listening tour, an ideal for us, says he wasn't listening at all, so we'll be looking at some of the language around getting caught out and catching up on some other bits that we've missed. Over an eventful summer, did you have a good summer? I did have a good summer. I was finishing a book, so I spent most of it. Slow reader. Yeah, thanks. But it got there in the end, crawling my way through the. But yeah, I spent most of it outside of London running a lot to keep myself sane as I was writing. And I'm quite glad to be back, where now when I run through the park, I'm like, oh, that's probably a branch and not. Oh, that might be a rattlesnake. Because it turns out outside is quite a lot more perilous in other places, isn't it? Where have you been running? New York State, yeah. Okay, right. I haven't. They've got mountains and there. They've got rattlesnakes. They have, mostly they have water snakes. The thing I'm mainly worried about is that I will squash it, because I'm vegetarian and I would feel terrible. But it turns out there are also some other ones. So yeah, what are they? East in timber rattlesnakes. And they came back and said, "It's snowing!" My friend was like, "Did it rattle out?" You're like, "I don't know, I had headphones and I was listening to Taylor Swift." So yeah, but I survived. Yeah, great. So well done me. Me, yeah, excellent. Well, I had a restful. Those of you who might remember the last two episodes of this podcast before the summer, I had to skip, because I got Salmonella in Tobleetsie, Georgia. And it took me about a couple of months to shake it off. Really strange thing, wouldn't wish it on anyone. But I'm ready, I mean, it says here, we have a new Prime Minister. I mean, that happened when I was in my slumber. I see. Yes. It says you're faulting. Normally, you're constant wakefulness. Yes, I know. It contains Kirstama and power. Yeah. And a younger listeners might need explaining. But a little while ago, there was a Prime Minister called Kirstama. There's something odd about the fact that his leaving the public stage doesn't seem to have had any kind of aphor effect. Because it's almost like it never happened. Yes, it is exactly like it never happened. It makes me kind of hope that he's got quite a nice job, that he's gone. Do you know what I'm saying? You kind of think, oh, it must have been kind of miserable to say, I'm going to have to go back and sit down. So I told these people who hated me. I hope someone's offered you something nice. No, no, no, he's going to be an international parkkeeper. Look out for rattlesnakes as well as water snakes. That's what I would do if I didn't do my job. I'd just do for your roaming international parkkeeper. So we're sort of obliged, I think, to begin looking at the language of Andy Burnham. But I'm sort of sorry to start the whole thing off with a side. But I sort of feel like one of these podcasters who does a fan podcast about Marvel movies. And now onto the 105th one. Yes. And it's about, I don't know, napkin boy. It's something to me. And it's just very hard to get enthusiastic. Yes. You know, and I saw, you know, no offense to Andy Burnham, but I saw some thing on napkin boy. But there's just, I just feel we're at the bum end of the, the prime minister's cinematic universe. And it's time they do a complete rethink. I hope Burnham isn't one of these ones, you know, the certain Marvel movies that you need to watch in order to then enjoy the big film. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're waiting on Avengers 19. Exactly. So in the meantime, we've got to find out exactly what the, yeah, the crucial napkin element is going to be. Yeah. So Starma was like, you know, if you want to watch Starma, you've got to watch Blair and Brown first. Then you'll understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just, you're waiting for Baden Och assemble, aren't you? I think you're all right. I feel like she would yell at me if I said that. Yes, yes. So we have to put to rest. We had the pure Starma metaphor tree. It was a golden time. It was the, it was a vain attempt to try and give him some element of sparkle. Yeah, the metaphor tree where we, certain things he said, like an island of strangers are. Yes. The tepid bath of managed decline and stuff. I mean, if the metaphors are a bit limp anyway. I know, but here's the thing on the way into the recording. I was walking in through the park and they've closed one chunk of it because they're taking branches of the trees that have had such a difficult drought-filled summer. Yeah. So they don't fall on us and crush us. And I was like, oh, the metaphor tree is truly being pruned. Yes. It sort of now become a metaphor. It has. But like Starma is not so much the solid oak. No. It's a rotten branch that's been cut down all over the summer. Yeah. By the handsome tree surgeon. Yes. I imagine. Is that Andy Burnham? Or was that Louise Hay? Well, it's interesting. Louise Hay, who is the first executive state, has taken one of our favorite branches from the Starma metaphor tree, which was the tepid bath of managed decline. And it's given it an update because she talked recently about how government was now going to end the warm bath of constructive ambiguity, which politics has been too happy to soak in for far too long. It's actually quite a much more troubling image, I think, just the idea of soaking in something. In ambiguity. It's soaking in ambiguity. Yeah. Rinkling. Does she know what she's unleashed with this metaphor, you know? So unpleasant. I know. What we need is a bath bomb of intervention. From those shops that smell like chemical warfare, but, you know, in a sort of relatively benign sense. But I'm good for your back on stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I still don't want it. That's a strange era we're in where, you know, when there is a new prime minister, especially of a party that's already in power, there's an attempt to try and manage that element of renewal is all going to be different, but at the same time, it can't be so different, because that means everything we've done up to now has been an absolute mistake. Yes, or people can demand a general election, because this is a complete break from the past that they voted for. So, yeah, so you end up with this strange mix of, we're the same, but better, we're the same, but different. Yeah, although John Hilly, the chancellor, did a speech last week, attempting to put some distance between himself and Rachel Reeves. But one of the memorable phrase I could take from it was this one, we said, we will not deliver all of this tomorrow, talk about, you know, changes. Okay, yeah. But we're delivering the start of it today. I recognize the urgency of the moment. So, delivering a start. Yes, you're right. It's not very much, though, is it the start? Yeah, no, the start is almost by definition. Yes, the least amount. Yeah, this feels like one of Zeno's paradoxes, or it is just one very small step. And you go, well, well done, everyone. Let's end it there. And as most people have commented on, Bernham, as what he does, is he, he has a greater ability to connect with voters in terms of the way he-- His communication is better at it. You know, so you'll talk about, you know, it's a little start. I'm trying to do a little bit, just trying to make, we can't do everything, but, you know, we're going to, what's the finish line? You know, he wants every pulse call to feel growth. And I've tried to think what the stammer equivalent was, but it wasn't any of that. It was, I think, almost definitionally we've blanked it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Talks about breathing space. That's right. That's what Bernham talks about. A little bit of breathing space, as if we've been-- That's fixated for the last tune, yes. Right. So we shall-- we thought we might actually not have a metaphor for-- No metaphor for a theme for Bernham. You mentioned it. I mean, he was playing guitar in Ukraine when he went over those. Of course he was. So I would like him to have Andy Bernham's indie set list. Indy set list. That's what I want. So we'll put the breathing space on it. This one's called breathing space. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And also the triple helix. Yes, he used that once. And then I think people told him, no, no, no. That's all I need, because I'm intense from the rest of my life going, oh, I'm sure I saw them do that. Supporting the Inspiral Carpets in 1993. I'm just intent to do this joke indefinitely. Yeah, he talked about the triple helix approach to economic development, which is the tying business academia and government. Is it? Yes. Or is it the second song from the end? Exactly. Yeah. People leaving out it to get their cars. Yeah, maybe. When he goes into triple. Circuit breakers, another one he mentioned, as he went into number 10. A late 80s number. And I thought a circuit breaker-- I think he was trying to say-- So you can't say reset because-- You can't say it. Yeah, you can't-- The circuit breaker shuts everything down. That's right. Yeah, it trips and shuts everything down. It's because something terribly dangerous. was about to happen. So you turned everything off. And now you're hoping that you turn it back on again, everything's not on fire. I think I think you meant something else instead of circuit break. I don't know what it was, but yeah, I don't know what it was. You can't say relaunch, you can't say yeah. Yeah, renewal was nice. They should have said renewal. But that sounds like I mean reform, restore. Yeah. All the rewards have been taken. Yeah. They've been colonized. Yeah. Repair. Oh, party is called Repair after the horrendous splits in both reform and restore. For I just know launching a new party. Yes. Which is what he does really, isn't it? It's like he has a habit. It seems to be what he enjoys is just sort of flanting off and then starting again. It reminds me of the days of Twitter that it's sort of peak where somebody would flounce off it. Yeah. Roughly once a week. Yeah, I'm done. And then we're sort of quietly not flounce back. Yeah. Enabling them to flounce off it again at a later point in the same year. And you were just like, this feels weirdly. Yeah. I mean, not even cyclical just endlessly repeated. Well, yeah, there was UKIP and then there was the Brexit party and then reform. And he's constantly pupating. Is that the right word? I suppose so. Without ever turning into a beautiful butterfly. Yeah, let's go back to your snake. He sheds the skin of whichever party he's fronting. When it becomes toxic. Yeah, too toxic. Essentially. And he's reborn as the new snake. I'm not saying he's a snake. This is all metaphor. It's metaphors. No, I'm not saying he's thinking. But since this is the first thing we ought to look over the summer, we were hilariously there was a whole period where we couldn't talk about Farage because he was in a by-election. I sort of blanked that out as well. Alex Rills meant we had to. Yes, exactly. So if we go right back to summer, you know, he talked about the people of Clackton will decide, will judge him rather than the establishment. This is exactly how he tends to operate there, isn't it? Because, you know, the people of Clackton would indeed get to judge him. Were they picked as jurors in a legal case if he has broken the law? Yeah. That would be precise. That is how law works, isn't it? Yes, yes, it is. You don't get to just say, oh, I don't feel like being, you know, subject to the same rules of political donations as other people in the establishment. So I think I should be exempt from that. And we should just do a small popularity contest. In fact, I've been good if someone in Clackton, a photo in Clackton went up to him and said, I'm here to judge you. Can you give me all your financial records over the last five or six years? And if you like, you can have a tax lawyer at your expense. I keep the receipt. And let's just go through it. And then I will make my decision. Yeah, I'm here for that voter of Clackton. I want that. So what happens if now he's back as MP, they're going to carry on the establishment investigation? That might trigger another election, or is there another way? Maybe he'll have, he'll elect for trial by combat, like they used to do. In many times. Can we all get to decide who finds him? Yeah, the returning office. I think it should be Dwayne Johnson. Yeah. But it's for six weeks. I still feel like the rock could take him. Yeah. Yeah. Does the rock have a Clackton address? I'm sure we could arrange one for. Okay. So there's that, right? People have Clackton. Yes. And haven't they suffered enough TM? Well, Parliament will be the judge. And the summer has now ended with reform facing an investigation from verbatim and channel four in secret plot to accept political donations, which if we're true, would break electoral law, reform deny any wrongdoing? Two people cult filmed specifically in the footage where James or who was head of policy at reform and Dan Jukes, who was a sort of right hand. An aid. An aid. No, forage then called them a couple of contractors. I mean, that is a fascinating turn of phrase, isn't it? Yeah. Look at that narrative distance. Yes. Almost as though because the establishment would call them such things as head of policy or a political aid, but you know, you can somehow subvert the will of the establishment by saying they're contracting. They're not doing your roof, mate. They're not here to give you a new driveway. As the young people say, I cannot even. They are. And not all of them are kind of like friends, aren't they? I mean, Jukes particularly has been like next to forage for the last 10-15 years, you know, his right hand. Naughtiness is right, aren't man. So that's a weird. I've got to use a word contractor when I mean friend. All right. Yeah. I've had a very close personal contractor of mine. It was telling me. But he also said in defense of forage themselves was filmed meeting these spurious donors, one of whom is American and saying thank you to both of them for their donation or their offer of a donation with question about this. Why did you go? He said, first of all, he said it was, it was all bar room talk. It was all pub talk. Pub talk. Yeah. And I was thinking, what kind of pub is that? It's so interesting, isn't it? Because he presents himself as I'm just the man of the people that you'd like to have a pint with. And it's like, what pub do you go to? Yeah. Because this just isn't the conversation that regular human people have in pubs. Oh, so it wasn't pubs. I saw the footage. It was like oyster bar talk, really, wasn't it? Because, when he met, when he met forage, he asked for lots of oysters. He said, four isn't enough. Four isn't enough. Oh my god. He's like a medieval king. Yeah. Exactly. Which is why I think he should do try by combat. Yeah. I know. Well, now I know this. Yeah. Or see if he floats. It's one of the other. So I want to know, where is this pub? Where all this stuff happens? Because he says it timely. Whenever a reform candidate says something outrageous, he says, "Oh, that's just, that's how people talk in pubs." Sounds like a dreadful pub. I think he is a stand-up comment working in pubs, you know, five nights a week. And I don't ever remember anyone talking about political donations all the time. There were quite a lot of conversations going on and yet literally none. No. For centering over having more oysters. Right, pub Chris. At the end of all, we're doing a raffle. Donations of 500k. We'll get you this nice box of chocolates. Normally, we have a meat raffle. Today oysters, I assume, is the system out. And then he, he, another trope he uses because I've noticed this before. He said when asked about that lunch he had. Yes. The, um, oyster bar talk lunch. He said, look, I'm not a compliance officer. I was in the middle of canvassing for the Clackton Biological. Frankly, I wasn't even listening. Okay. Yeah. Now, I've had that before because when Nathan Gill, head of reform in Wales, was sent to you for remembering that. Thank you. Was sent to prison. Yes. Forage was asked, "Did you not think you should have looked into him?" And he actually said, "Look, I'm not a police force. I cannot access emails or phone messages." But it does suggest a sort of continuous want of critical thinking, doesn't it? I'm too busy for any of that stuff, that compliance. Whenever a politician uses defense against an allegation of wrongdoing, I want to see if that defense still works if it's being used by someone caught speeding. Okay. Right? So if I'm for, let's see where this goes. Could you as, could you as a police officer stop me for, and see, we'll see what we got. Yes. Mr. Forage, do you know what speed you were driving at? I've no idea. I mean, I've no idea. I was going forward, but I've not got a speedometer in my head. I'm not got a speedometer. You know, you might know, but I'm not a Formula One driver, not even Formula Two. I'm just not, someone tells me the speed. I've got a guy who tells me the speed. I don't, no. I wasn't even listening. I wasn't even looking. I just knew I had a speed. I would say I've got a speech on crypto. I'm running it in my head. I've got to get there. Look, people say, well, aren't there kind of dials on the front of the car? I don't even look at them. Don't look at them. You might drink it every day, but did you know that the history of tea is steeped in Skull Duggery colonialism and industrial espionage. I'm Greg Jenner, host of your dead to me with a comedy show that takes history seriously. And in our latest episode, we spill the tea on tea. I think we've now sort of tripped into the sort of default attack of any politician who's being accused of something is to just acknowledge the attack and imply that because there is an attack that that's somehow wrong. The attack is intrinsically in bad faith. Yeah, they're doing a heat job on me. I think there's always because I remember when I saw the channel for three, I think these entrapment things, these kind of setups. They do run the risk of someone saying, well, If that is all it, if that is all it, if that is all it, if that is all it. haven't set that up, it wouldn't have happened. It's almost like you're you're manufacturing her. However, what was said was volunteered. So it wasn't prompted by those study surveillance, it was actually volunteered. But any party that always goes on the attack against any kind of attack towards it, they will find the one element that people might see a point in. So people think yeah, it was a bit unfair undercover, you know, that's the thing they'll use to say and therefore, it was a heat job. Yes, I think that's probably right, isn't it? It's very the person making the accusations has some kind of ill will that we definitely couldn't trust. Because they talked about being the target of the hawks perpetuated by foreign funded climate change activists. The other thing that was said over the summer, you know, in the boiling heat was Richard Tice talking about climate change, saying it's arrogant to assume we can stop climate change. This is what he said. I think when it's a bit warm, let's enjoy it. And if it means that English wine and sparkling wine get better and better, fantastic. Well, I'm sure that will be a huge comfort to the people of Stauberidge whose houses were on fire and time. I mean, I can see how it's an effective strategy if you have every intention of carrying on behaving exactly as you always were to switch from climate change, isn't going to happen to climate change has so far gone that we can't do anything to. He said he said, he said, where's the evidence that we can stop climate change? You know, evidence usually emerges after you've done it, isn't it? The only way to show that you can stop climate change is to stop it. Yes. And then you'll have your head. You can't you can't show an advance. Yeah. How it will be stopped. Yeah, you can suggest you can show models. You can show, you know, that's what scientists have been doing for quite a while. There's modeling different alternate futures with different alternate outcomes. But you know, if there was a roaring forest fire coming towards you, you wouldn't go, well, there's no, I can stop this. Let's run at it with some sausages on a skewer and have a barbecue. I don't know. I would watch Richard Tyson do that, I think. Let's see what happens. No, no, no, no, you're getting to the territory where they will come back at you and say, how dare how dare I suggest that he's got a point on the BBC. Somebody suggests that Richard Tyson wants to fire a fire holding sausages. That is, you know, you see, this is where you are. So you then get into it. Well, I of course would insist on the being vegetarian sausages. So that would only make it worse. I've added insult to injury. No, we've got to urge politicians of every party to meet a terrible fate in a forest fire. Just for balance. A Davey pork chop. That's fine. Okay. Yeah. Vegetarian one, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'm going to bring meat to the table. No, he's going to have to have tofu. Can we be not marshmallows? But the vegan ones. What? Yes. Okay. I'm sorry. These are my rules. You should walk into a fire. This is why my joyless barbecue is the centre of every summer. I've heard things you don't like. I just would love to, you know, when reform were at and out to explain, we're going big on reform this week only because we were not allowed to for the last couple of months. We were not allowed. We will go big on Labour when Labour have had their conference. We will go big on conservators when they've had reform have had their conference and have dominated the summer. Yes. But we now increasingly have to interrogate them in much more detail because they are saying they are potentially the next government. So, therefore, we have to hold them up to the light in a much more focused way than we might have done in the past. So it's not just what for us says. It is what Richard Tite says. It is for Zia Yusuf says. It is. What we're all on the say, you know, does it stand out? Yeah. I mean, this is the point, isn't it, that they have spent so much time trying to present themselves as this sort of anti-establishment group and, you know, simultaneously to present themselves as a sort of business rather than a political party. So they have contractors rather than political aids or heads of policy or whatever. And it's like, well, okay, then I'm sure you must understand the language that other people are using, which is then you need to be professional. Yes. If that's what you want to do, then you need to be held to professional standards like everyone else. So there's reform government, Richard Tite's, you know, I don't know, environment minister. There are floods and he's going around. What does he say? Yeah. Other than, you know, where's your canoe? Why are you enjoying it? This would make a lovely aquadrome of this water, you know, maybe actually there's so much water here. We can have a data center. Just, you know, what do you say? And you're right, when not even tough questions, but questions that require a little bit of thought are put to them. They do get knocked. Yes. But can you imagine Faraj as Prime Minister being told, well, the prisons are nearly full. What are you going to do about it? How are you going to sort that out? I mean, his, his almost instant recourse to aggression is obviously not unique to him. There are plenty of people who can I'm not a prison officer's minister. There you go. I'm not a prison's minister. I can't be expected to. I'm not the chancellor of each checker. I'm not the. Yes. Yes. But it is that thing. It's like, but then then give me the next 10 words after you're angry with the person asking you the question, what's your actual answer? So it boils down to, it boils down to a very simple question. If we go I mean, Nigel Farage, what are you? Yes, it does. Good. That's the, we need the answer to that question. Yes, we do. Go take. We've done that. Good. Probably solved over the tail end of the summer. We'll probably in our future. So look at this, the language of race and immigration and asylum and so on. It gets slightly heated. But just tying up the loose reform ends. Yes. There was a tweet. If you still call it tweet from Zio Yusuf, who's the Reformed Homer Faire's book person, he likes to be called shadow home secretary. He gets annoyed apparently. Oh, sorry. If people call him, they're homeless fairs spokesman. He has to think of what I would like to be known as. I don't really know if I don't care that much. Maybe this is for his Marvel universe. Yeah. The shadow shadow out the secretary. I was talking about Kirstama standing down. It's good about by election in his home born and so pancreas constituency, a potential labor candidate who has worked in head of Camden accounts of the last 20 or so years. Yes. But who was born in Somalia? So Zio Yusuf tweeted, "The front runner being foisted on the people of home by labor to replace Kirstama in our parliament was born in Somalia. Do you understand what's happening?" Which is a curious thing to say given that Nadim Sohawi, who is with Reformed, was Chancellor Itscheker for several weeks, makes great play of the fact that he was born in Iraq, his family fled Iraq from Saddam Hussein. But this was called out by Faraj as just going too far this Yusuf tweet. So I know caught you nodding dores. I mean, I ask you, you understand literature. I do. You've written books. You've read books. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Her explanation of Yusuf says simultaneously to complete the opposite things at once. Okay. Okay. It was a nasty tweet. Zio Yusuf is a brilliant man and he's a genius actually and he's an incredible communicator. I wish he closed down his Twitter account. So he could communicate with fewer people. So that's he's brilliant as a it's a sandwich. It's that he's brilliant is the filling. Yeah. But the bread on either side is that was nasty. He should stop talking. Before we go, we normally end in our suggestions for words used in our political discourse that we might want to consign to the furnace. Do you have anything you want to? I would like to get rid of those sort of passive aggressive qualifiers. The brilliant American writer Cynthia Heimel once pointed out that the phrase why I was only is always used in a passive aggressive way. Why I was only telling you that didn't suit you. And you're just like, oh, someone reels in pain. Yeah, yeah. And I feel like the kind of minimizing of I was only suggesting you run into the forest. Exactly. So yeah, I would like to get rid of that that sort of passive aggressive, you know, it's for your own good vibe. See, you know, why it was only a few hot days. Why is everyone making such a fuss? Well, it was only, you know, a few people being harassed in this particular street protest. I was like, I might be done with why I was only. And just I was almost like a kind of a cousin to that is, is the use of the word frankly. Yes, you know, when Ferrari said, frankly, I wasn't even listening. Frankly, sounds like anything say after it will be absolutely fine. So it doesn't matter what you say after it. Frankly, I was just dodging my fare. Who wouldn't? Yeah. Only these petty fogging, you know, the establishment. That's who wouldn't. The establishment wants you to pay. The establishment conductors with their machines and their uniforms. Yeah, they just take the pen out and screen something on your ticket. What's that? Yeah, you know, their secret signals, secret signals. Yeah, to try and get us to 15-minute cities. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't get me started on those. Okay. Right. I want to get rid of, I mean, normally, word. It's a phrase, but it's an item really with an interesting nickname. It's purve glasses, matters purve glasses. I'm sure. I want to get rid of those. Yeah. And that's not short for pair of glasses. No. No, because we need those. We need those. What we don't need are purve glasses. No, we do not. I mean, when you bring out a new item of technology that instantly is labeled by somebody that implies sexual perversion in a negative, do you need to take a long-hauled look at yourself, perhaps? Not through those glasses. Ideally. Yes. Yes. And why no one thought just to, in case you're around a way, these are the new glasses from Meta. Right. So they look like regular spectacles, but I have secret cameras in so you can film people and things that have happened with a wearing inevitability would include people wearing them and then harassing shop assistants, so they can put up hilarious videos of how shop assistants behave when you're horrible to them. And it's like, you know, I, okay. I know lots of terrible things are emerging from the big tech companies, but this isn't on par with them. But surely, wasn't there a meeting where someone said people might use these in a bad way? I suspect the probably wasn't. Not wasn't. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so. They don't seem to ever think about the ethical ramifications of anything they do, do they? I mean, you know, Meta's been fined some gigantic sort of money in the States this summer. Well, I think you'll find, you know, if you go through all their press releases, which are the kind of core voice of their moral center, they all begin with our user's experiences important to us. So as long as, yes, I think they mean that with all the sincerity of a pre-recorded message when you're trying to ring somebody to get them to fix your phone or anything else. With all the moral authority of a company that comes up with glasses, yes. That allow you to film people with that. That allow you to truly film people. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the wholesomeness that implies. Okay. Oh, yes, something else happened over the summer. There was a strong message here moment. So strong message here is our phrase to take the way politicians use language, maybe without realizing what they're saying. There was another instance of that. I found better one in Canada, in the New Brunswick legislature, a politician Bill Oliver, who read out his speech, which clearly had elements of AI helping him write it. How do we know that? Let's have a listen. Another concern relates to expectations. One of the dangers associated with creating advocacy offices is that citizens often develop expectations that exceed the powers actually granted to those offices. Here's a more natural flowing version of that section that reads like legislative speech, rather than a series of short points. Madden Speaker, one of my concerns with this legislation is he actually then goes on does it again? He reads out his AI going, would you like me to? Yeah, would you like me to try this in a less antagonistic tone of voice? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to save my tears for orphans, because if you can't even be bothered to read back the thing you couldn't be bothered to write before you read it in front of other people, then perhaps you need to take a moment and wonder if you're really cut out for politics. I'm sure you're very busy. We're all busy, but could you perhaps treat your job with a tiny bit of professionalism or effort, ideally both? You're welcome. Thanks for listening to Strong Maturet here. I'll be back next week, and why not go on this to some of our episodes from our back catalogue? Just search for Strong Maturet here and subscribe and we'll see you soon. Goodbye. Bye. Greetings, malevolent munchkins, fiendish friends and devilish do-gooders. Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. 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