"I Was An Unplanned Pregnancy" - Michael Knowles Sits Down With Nevaeh Souza

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Until we know them and we assume they now have a personhood, everyone's kind of disposable. This is a verbatim quote. He just couldn't get over the fact that she viciously killed her children. And you can. Hi, Matt and Michael. My name is Navea Souza. Firstly, I just want to say thank you so much for carrying on with these campus events and keeping the dialogue open. Because I don't know if you remember, but I've met you guys a couple times at the backstage at the Ryman, and we went to The Daily Wire studio, and Matt was actually on my parents' podcast. We are going on a book tour later this fall and we'll be back in your studio. So we have been, we are wanting to get on Michael's show. We were wondering. I'm in. That's the best pitch I've ever had. If you ever want to get on my show, show up to a room of 1500 people and pitch it on air. You're in, you're in. I'll bring the cigars. Thank you so much. Navea Souza, I met you at the University of Idaho when I was out there with Matt Walsh for TPUSA. Navea is the author of Tiny Human right here, available from our friend Kurt Cameron's Brave Books. You get a cool little plushie too, if you order it the right way. I was just in another TPUSA event a couple nights ago, in which probably the most combative exchange was with a young woman who was defending abortion. Really? And yes, and she said, well, look, we need to defend abortion because sometimes women conceive babies and they don't mean to have the baby. And so you can't out dare you force that woman to carry the baby to term. I can't help but notice, you are the result of an unplanned pregnancy. I am. My mom, she, she was unmarried. She was fresh out of college. She just landed her first real job. She went to school to be an educator and she went to her employer and she kind of explained the situation. They were like, we can no longer hire you in this circumstance. And she came, she came from a really Christian conservative family and though she was raised to be pro-life and she had never considered abortion, she understood the fear in that moment that women go through and why they want the situation to just go away because she thought about the fact that she has to tell her very Christian conservative family that she was unmarried and pregnant and there was just so much, there was so much uncertainty and fear there and we know that one third of Gen Z has been aborted due to that fear and that's a fear that's very much validated by the current culture and by the abortion industry but I'm very grateful that my mother did choose life because 20 years later. Here you are. 20 years old, unbelievable. I, so I'm at the University of Arkansas and this woman says, you know, we need to be able to abort kids if they're not wanted. And I said, I have plenty of friends who are the result of unplanned pregnancies. A lot of people. And I know people who are conceived as a result of rape, which is even though that's less than 1% of abortions, that's the one I always go to because it seems like the hardest case for conservatives to defend. And I asked the young woman, I said, would you look someone in the eye 15 years later, 20 years, like 20 years old and say, hey, it would be better if you did not exist. It would be better if someone had murdered you. And now you're sitting here. I use you hypothetically the other night in this debate and now you're sitting right here. So I guess the question for someone who's pro-worship for the woman who has the unplanned pregnancy who doesn't want the kid is, okay, would you look Naveia in the face and say, hey, it'd be better. The world would be a lot better if you had been murdered. Well, and it also, it insinuates that if a baby is unplanned, that determines their value or that the circumstances determine their value and that you are in some way going to hurt your mother. Your existence may have hurt your mother or held your mother back when that's just not the case. And I recently did a doctor daft debate on abortion and one of the ladies that was a pro-lifer, she was conceived in sexual assault. Her mother was attacked and she talks about how once she found out about that, she felt so unworthy and it kind of sent her life into a spiral. But then she decided she wanted to prove everyone, she proved everyone she was worthy and she got married, she had kids and now her mother and her father were in a really tough situation, they have a wonderful family. There's generations after and their, you know, grandparents and there's so much good that can come out of so much uncertainty. Of course. And you can see how someone discovering they were the product of rape would be that could really damage them. And yet there is the flip side of that, which is, well, yeah, I was conceived in the terrific circumstance that no one asked for and yet my mother still chose life for me. In some ways, I'm even more vigorously wanted and desired than a job born in other circumstances. You mentioned that you're 20 years old, which means you might have a perspective that I would like some insight on, which is the Gen Z seems crazy in understandable ways, but a lot of the craziness seems to come down to sex. Like 30 percent of Gen Z identify as LGBT, LMNOP and you do see a little, a little rise in a touch of massage and you say on the right wing side of the young right. And then a lot of the Gen Z women are defending like out of the room and fantasize in the lens, fancy case, women really of all ages. So it seems like everyone, but especially younger people, have gone sexually insane. Is that accurate? I think so. I was just talking about this actually because we always knew there was this gender divide on the left. The men, they're a little, a little up a feminine and then the women don't respect them and the women became man haters and they were shaming men into feeling like they were victims and then we have the male loneliness epidemic. But the right was supposed to be very passionate about biblical marriage and strong relationships. But now I think we see a lot of that on the right too because women are being told that there's no longer any biblically masculine men. And I think women we've, we've become victims too on the right just like the ones on the left when they were saying that men are the problem. And I think the men as well look at things like the Lindsey Clancy case and the majority of women are not on Lindsey Clancy side. And that's a very important distinction. But when you live on social media as a Gen Zier, it really looks like they are. And so I think they look at that and they go, women have lost it. Women have gone nuts. They're pro Lindsey Clancy. They're all completely pro-abortion up to nine months. Well, this is what I can't tell. I mean, so yes, I like to think that most women are not on Lindsey Clancy side. And yet when you looked outside the courtroom, it wasn't just three or four lunatics standing in solidarity with Lindsey. It was like hundreds of women with their kids standing doing little hearts for poor Lindsey. And then you look at the jury. The jury was nine women, two men. And all the women. And then the one little more probably on the beta side that you were alluding to earlier man, they all wanted to let her off the hook. It was just that one Haitian giga Chad, very devout Catholic apparently, who said, no, I'm voted guilty. Absolute boss by the way. Absolute boss. I saw the other jurors he was talking to when I was like, oh my goodness. Yes. Get the man a cigar. One of Michael's very nice cigars and a drink. We need to get him to buy some cars. Absolutely. And so I look at that then and I say, well done. It wasn't just like a minority of women. All the women on the jury were on Clancy side. Yeah. And so is your suggestion then that the problem is bad, but it's actually social media is making it seem worse than it is? I think so. I think also the minorities just very loud. And even if the majority of women have lost their or the majority of men were no longer biblically masculine, there's still so much hope for you to find a good spouse and to have that you know, nuclear American family and that American dream. And I think on the right we're starting to discourage the youth so much you're never going to be able to buy a house. You're never going to find a good biblical spouse. You're never going to have that nuclear family and that achieve that American dream. And I think it's turning Gen Z on the left and the right just into very discouraged and cynical victims almost. Yeah. And that's extended a lot to the right very recently. And stories like this just perpetuate that even further. And even me as a like I'm a Christian conservative young woman, I look at that and I go, "Women have lost their minds." Yeah, of course. But you almost can't blame the chuds on the right because they're just reacting to something. thing, you know, and in a battle your opponents have a say. I do wonder, especially since we're focusing on the pro-life issue and how it spreads out everywhere, I wonder if all of these problems really do come down to sex and maybe even specifically abortion. I'm reminded of Mother Teresa's speech at the United Nations in which she said that abortion is the greatest threat to peace in the world because of a mother can kill her own kid. More moral ground. Yes, and even there's racial tension and ethnic, geographic, national tension, but sex is so much more at the center of human nature than race or nationality or ethnicity or what have you. So I do wonder if it's just if Mother Teresa was right and if it's all a kind of sexual craziness that comes all the way down to the bond between a mother and a child. There's a lot more to say first they're going to pre-worn.com/noles, canadaview LES. Here's some good news. Through the Ministry of Pre-Worn more than 50,000 babies have been saved this year alone and more than 5100 people have made commitments to Christ. Those are extraordinary numbers and the reason this ministry works is simple. Here is Dan Stein or the President of Pre-Worn. Because of you, he says we can invite mothers considering abortion into a pre-war network clinic to meet their baby and when she has that close encounter of the best kind in her womb, she is 80% more likely to choose life. 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And I think that comes from a lot of just the secular influence because if you don't believe that there's a creator, if you don't believe that everyone's been creative, the unique and special purpose and is known in love by God, everyone's kind of disposable. It's just not that big of a deal and until we know them and we assume they now have a personhood, we don't assign any moral value to them or worth to them. Yeah, pagan societies disposed of children all the time and sacrificed them sometimes. Explicitly abortion is more of an implicit sacrifice to the false gods of career and money and all the rest. And as we become less Christian, we've sacrificed more babies. Now it's to the tune of over a million a year. And now we apply that same logic of, well, what's the mother going through? That makes it morally justified to kill the unborn. We apply that same logic to even things like Lindsey Clancy. I think that's totally, that's a total pro-life issue. Yeah. Because though they're going, I feel bad for those kids. Yes, they are victims. It was horrible what happened. She needs to be found not guilty and she was justified because of other people's actions and the situation and how she felt and what she was going through. And in doing that, I know they don't think they are, but in doing that, you've completely minimized what's happened to those children and you, we've turned the whole discussion into a postpartum discussion. Yeah. And I don't know why. I don't know why everyone who has postpartum feels like saying Lindsey Clancy's guilty is a personal attack on that because it's not. It's not about postpartum. It's about what Lindsey Clancy did to her children. And so I think we've. But if we've accepted abortion on the left's terms, then what the left is arguing is that the feelings and desires of the woman always trump any rights of the supposed child up until the moment of birth and is really including after birth. Even before the Lindsey Clancy case, you had the Virginia Governor Ralph Northam saying that if a baby was born, survived an abortion and the mother still didn't want them, they'd have a discussion and determine if the mother wanted to kill the baby or let the baby live. So that's an actual example of fourth trimester abortion as we call it. So in that world, if you have legal abortion and you have the left exalting it, of course you're going to take Lindsey Clancy's side. Whether she was insane clinically or not, if she desired to kill the kids because their existence was affecting her emotions, her passions, her sense of self, then of course she would be justified. The logic is basically inexorable, seems to me. Absolutely. And I think that's a really scary thing because how far are you going to take this? Because when we first started having this big debate about abortion, it was well just in these circumstances, just these exceptions for rape and incest and then it became well just up to six weeks and then it became roby-weight and then it became nine months like we see in Michigan and what they're trying to do in my state right now. I know with a very big language of any health concern and I know this is I know I know it's a great state. You were just there. I was just there. I think I've set the record for most trips to Idaho with anybody in the last. Not many people go there. It's not much out there. No, that's what we like it. But yes, but to your point, if we permit killing a baby at six weeks, why not seven? You can't answer that. If we're going to permit killing a baby in Massachusetts, why not Idaho? Those are all the questions. So before I let you go, you might be the most well-adjusted 20-year-old I've ever met in my life. So especially these days. So four groups we're talking about. The men on the right, the women on the right, the men on the left, such as they are, and the women on the left. Four distinct groups with four distinct mania. I'll put you on the spot. What would be your particular advice to each of those groups? Oh, boy. Okay, let's start with the ones on the right. For the men on the right, I don't want them to become so cynical to think that there's no good women anymore. That there's no biblical women who want to be good wives and who want to have kids and who aren't pro-choice and you know, aren't going to attack your masculinity. I want them to know that there are many, many really good and very outspoken Christian and conservative women and we haven't all gone nuts and we all are out there for Lindsey Clancy. At least one. There's at least one. At least me. And then for the women on the right, I don't want us to get so angry with what's being done because I mean, when you look at the stuff online, when I look at Lindsey Clancy, I got very upset. Yeah. Extremely upset with my own gender. I was like, what are we doing? I don't want us to get so angry that we completely turn on each other and start infighting on the right. I want us to stay strong in our convictions, but also understand that we're not alone in that. This isn't just a fight. We have to fight against us against everyone else. I love that your advice to the women is calm down. You know, I find whenever I'm in it, just human to woman. Yeah, nothing improves this situation like telling the woman, hey, lady, calm down. That always, but I think that's very good advice. You saw the juror on the lady juror on the Clancy trial. She said, you know, we explained the case to that hold out juror time and time again, but he just, this is a verbatim quote, he just couldn't get over the fact that she viciously killed her children. And you can? Yeah, you know, guilty is charged. I can't get over that fact. Yeah. Either. Okay, so that's your advice to the right. The men, if you will, on the left and the women on the left. The men on the left. You don't have to feel like you have to completely soften and escape your masculinity in order to pull a good woman. Good women are going to be completely threatened by your masculinity. They're doing it. You think that they're being soy boys in order to impress the feminist women who they shouldn't want anyway. I think, because I think in like if you're a leftist, you're in a circle where all the women are saying that if you do this and this and this, that's harmful and toxic. So I think they feel like they have to be that way. Yeah. And for the women on the left, I have a lot to say to the women on the left, but I'm going to, I'm going to leave it at, which time do we have? I'm going to leave it at, listen to some women on the right, listen to mothers who have families and to know God. And even if you are an atheist, leftist woman, I don't understand the complete separation from women who do choose to be mothers and wives because that, that's an incredibly, one sacrificial, incredible and very powerful choice to make with your life. So we need to be, we need to be listening to other women who are in those situations and who have things to teach us because, I mean, that can be a very beautiful thing. I'm very excited to do that one day and get married and have kids. And I know that even though I'm not in that situation right now, I like to listen to the women who are because they have very positive messages about motherhood and, you know, things that relate to women that we don't get everywhere else. Like, when you look at Valencia Clancy thing and you look at the pro-choice side, they talk about how it's enslavement and babies are parasites and it's going to ruin your life. So listen to people who are actually enjoying motherhood and aren't saying that you're just going to go down a postpartum level. Even I'm very professionally ambitious and I focus on my work life a lot, you know, all the time. But there's no, there's no comparison. I've gotten to have a lot of cool work experiences. There's no comparison. Throwing a ball to my kid when he hits it with a bat is, I would say orders of magnitude more joyful. That's not even, that doesn't do to adjust us because it's kind of categorically different. And so I think you're right. I love that your advice to them is, hey, ladies on the left, be more like me. I agree. If you look at, side by side, you look at a, I don't know, like an Ellen page or something like that. And then you look like a Nevea Suza on the one hand. You just put the, who seems more balanced? Who seems like they have a better grasp on reality and reality? Well, they have to look at my mom. My mom has five kids. She's much more mature than I am. And look at, look at all of the Suzes. Two of whom wrote, tiny human, go get it right now, Nevea, wonderful to meet you in the crowd. And when you came up to ask a question, and Idaho, and thank you for making the very long trek to Nashville. Thank you for having me on, even though I put you on the spot in Idaho. I was great. You said you said, hey, Michael, my question is, can I come on your show? And the boldness with the ladylike gentility was just an irresistible combination and a good model for other women. I hope to see you in the day, thank you for being here.