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So, Roob's? Yes. Something out of a movie kind of happened to Charlotte night, the other night. (laughter) The other movie. Yes. Not to be like, "Oh my god, we're so funny," but something out of like, bridesmaids, vibes. Yeah. Do you want to take it away, Charlotte? Because technically it happened to you. It's kind of like, "I was the camera filming." Yeah, just watching it happen. Okay, all right. Picture this where it's a lovely pub in Carlton, it's Ruby's birthday. Oh, you're not, happy birthday. HBD, me and Annabelle just getting a drink at the bar, and then I spot across the bar, a friend from my high school who's a few years younger than me. She's walking in with, "Oh, she's got a boyfriend, that must be her boyfriend. She's walking with his man. She's not talking to him though." But maybe they just had a fight. But maybe they just had a fight, who knows? Yeah, true. And so then they're walking in and we see each other and I'm like, "Oh my god, hi." Annabelle's like, "Oh, who's this?" And I'm like, "This is Lisa and I'm Lisa and I'm like, "Hey, how are you?" And then I see how Lisa and Annabelle is meeting Lucinda. I turn to assumed boyfriend and I go, "Hey, I'm Charlotte, nice to meet you." I hug you. I hug this man. He says, "Oh, I don't know this girl." It's so fucking funny. He says, "I don't know this girl." And then I'm like, "Till you see this isn't your boy." Annabelle is just not breathing. No! It's fucking hilarious inside. And then he kind of like stays in the combo for a bit though. Oh, no, no, he introduces himself. He goes, "I'm Daniel." And he's like, "I don't know these people, but I'm Daniel." And I have a girlfriend, so just like, "Oh, I remember that." No, I forgot that. And then I turn into this really awkward, like, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry." And then Lucinda's like, "Well, I have a boyfriend." And I'm like, "Oh my god, what have I done?" Yeah. Like Daniel shot up North Fence. What are you doing here? I'm waiting for the hug though. No Charlotte. No, I did. And he was reciprocated, but. And it was very like, you know, that scene in Bridesmaid when Melissa McCarthy's character was like, "Oh, and you must be boyfriend." You must be Annie's fella. And she's like, "No, I don't." I'm glad he's single, because I'm going to climb that like a tree. Oh my god. He was exactly like that. He was like that. He was such a knight. But it was actually a little way more awkward, I would say, because Daniel Lincoln, classic Daniel. Yeah, classic Daniel did. Anyway, thank you Daniel for making that a funny little story for the knight. I love that. Oh my god. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Ruby Hall. Hi. Hey, producer Perth. Hey. Hey. I'm so excited for today. We have so much talk about so much we've prepped, actually. So expectations down. Expectations down. So much talk about that. Expectations down. Before we get into it today, guys, a quick shout out to us, Bonsart, Medurie, who have just opened their second Australian store. So if you're in Melbourne, you will want to clear some time this weekend to check it out. Thanks, Medurie. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. We love you. Okay. So we received DM from a Shushi this week off the back of an A-Hass episode a few weeks ago, which got us a couple of days. It reads, "Here is my entry for jail time line. I was told by my ex my feelings for you disappeared like a bubble. Oh, I laugh and I cry thinking about it now. Like a bubble. Like a bubble. It's very wicked for good. We are the sun. Yeah. Pop. Absolutely. So we asked you guys on socials what was the worst thing your ex has ever said to you. Oh. And these were, we here. We haven't actually read these ones yet. Rubes has collated these for us. We here. These are like horrible. Yes. Steve, our social media girl who runs a A-Hass accounts. She was just like, "There are so many responses." And then she like had a scroll and I was, it was insane. So questions about exes. I feel the listeners have lots to say about because you know, you do harbor generally. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So you and I can be reading at these responses one for one. Would you like to read the first one? Okay. I wish I met your sister first. No, I could have dated her instead. So I could have dated her instead. No. You can't even think that. That is illegal. That's so fucked. To say it. To somebody's face. I actually, I need to go inside and have an investigation of these brains. Yes. Because, whoa. Okay. Next one. You give me anxiety. For context, this Rushi says, I was in the car with him and excitedly pointed out a dog. These had kind of happened to me once. What? What do you mean? Oh, not really, but this whole point of like being excited and then being shut down. That. My worst nightmare. You were disgusting. One time with an ex, I was like being old playful like, yeah, so you could be. And then I was like, eh, like, oh my god, am I annoying? And he was like, you're actually, what did he say? He said you're actually really intense or something. No. And like, I'm going to need your energy to come down and I was like, oh, I know. I was gagged. And I was silenced. And I actually, like, diabolical this stuff. Actually, just adding to that one time, one time an ex was like to me. She was like, I think some thoughts are inside thoughts. But that's also like, I don't know. The thought that I set out loud was just like a fun creative idea that I had. It was just so good. She goes, I think some thoughts can be inside thoughts. I think you can only say that if it's like you had said something a bit like, oh, fucks about her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you were just like expressing herself, whoa, I just want to, okay, next one is fun. Okay, I don't want to break up, but can I have a hall pass? Brackets, he went to Europe for four weeks. A tale was all this time. I don't want to break up, but can I have a hall pass? Not to sum up. I'm not quite convinced about me, but this is actually another episode. Did I submit all my thoughts? I don't know if you've been able to do these, you know, pull on some pastoral. This has happened to me. Oh, okay. I'm just like, what happened? Really? What twist? And if you don't mind sharing, like, what happened? Will you like, no? Or like, yeah. So it was like I was seeing someone and we were exclusive. This was the guy, I think I've said this on the show in recent times. We were exclusive, but he didn't want to be a girlfriend boyfriend. Yes. That guy. Right. And then he was going overseas and was like, I don't want to break up, but I want to loosen the reins a little bit. I'd love to see other people. And I was like, oh, well, if that's happening, we're going to break up. Yeah. And then he said, oh, no, you must have misunderstood. I mean, I wanted to go on something like bumble friends to make new friends. Oh, no, no, no, no. You know what I mean? I was fucking worse. And I was like, no, Alabama. And then we stayed together. He was hot, though. That's what I was like. I think I know who you're talking about. And then I was like, oh, my God, okay. This is the thing. When you're in it, you are the woman. Oh, absolutely. By it, you just trust the way it's absolutely. And like, you've got to let things happen. Of course. Because then that ended. Yeah. Fuck, that is just so funny. Anyway, it ended and it wasn't painful. So I guess we all saw it coming. Next one. This was she wrote, if you think I won't get other girls, points to a motorbike he does, you are wrong. No. Oh, my God. Brum, brum. Brum, brum. My guy thinks he's out of like a 50s musical here. He's out of what? I just laugh. I just think I won't get other girls. Have a look at the stallion. Do you think joking? Immediately after he said that he was like, oh, that didn't land. Or do you think that he was just kind of a bit weird? I think that one probably keeps him up a night a little bit. That's what that would warrant some thought to inside thoughts moment, you know? But I fear some of our exes don't have that. No, of course not. Yeah. All right. Okay. My ex told me he felt emasculated when I watched sport. When she watched sport. I mean, we can't have anything anymore. We can't even indulge. Oh, yeah. That's really, really weird. That's really weird. He felt emasculated when she watched sport. Like, imagine saying that out loud and not being able to comprehend as you're speaking. How dumb your words are. That's a me problem. Yeah. I need to reconcile in here what's happening. Why am I feeling emasculated? But he wants to just say it and make her feel bad. Oh. Well, damned if we do, we're damned if we don't. Literally. You know? I need to sit with that one. All right. Last one. I need to focus on learning French than proceeded to dump me. What? What? What? He's like, so I can't focus on more than one thing at a time. I'm going to now focus on Joy Lingo. I'm so sorry. Imagine that's why someone dumped you. Like, I need to focus on learning French. Yeah. And say not to you. Like, literally like someone being like, can't go on a date tonight. My favourite, like, commercials on. Yeah. So I want what the hell? Oh, these exes. I'm assuming that this ex is a man. Correct me if I'm wrong. Shushy who submitted this. But some men, not all. Some men really can't multitask. No. Or this is assuming that he's actually being for real. But he's probably just lying and excuses excuses. I'm still sitting on the motorbike one. I have an idea. So, you know how last week we were talking about, like, I don't know the really exciting idea of maybe we'll do a live show we yearn for this day. Yes. And that's exciting. Yeah, so exciting. But off the back of the motorbike thing, I'm like, how funny would it be if we did some sort of live auction of people's exes belongings? Oh, they're like they've left it your house. You broke up and then you somehow randomly still have. Yeah. or something your ex has gifted you. - Yes, and you don't know what to do with that. - I know what to do with it. So we do some girls in the office and some have still really expensive things that they were given, but they don't know what to do with. So we can rank it, we can do like a, like, those online houses with the paddles, yes. - Okay, okay. - And we can go, yeah. - Okay, okay. - You know what I mean? So let me just like, I'm gonna stage it out for the listeners. So picture this. Hypothetically, we have a live show. - I'm thinking next year at some point. We tell all of our show she's if they have it. - Yes. - To bring an item that their ex has gifted them or left at their house that they have kept. And are willing to bring to auction off during the live show. - Yes. - They submit it. We each give them paddles under their seat. And then it's like, you know, somewhere in the middle of the live show, we auction off. - Yes. - Do you guys have your own items? - I do, I've got one. I've thought of it straight away from an ex-situationship. (laughing) - Keep it waiting for you. - Oh my god. - No, I just sort of it then. - What is it? - What is it? - Oh, I've gifted it valued at what? Oh, probably like. - So we need to rank them in like 300. - Like 300? Like it's expensive. - Imagine walking away from, and tonight you're going home with a motorbike. (laughing) - Seeing none of the things that my exes have gifted me actually worth that much monetarily. But one thing that I have from an ex is an apron with Steve Carell's face printed on it. - Oh. - Which 'cause I love Steve. - Yes. - And he actually got it made, which was quite lovely. And I still use it. - Yes. - So I don't think even that away. - What do you think? Do we think? - I'm happy to give it up. - I would have to like take my TV off the wall. (laughing) - I'm like, I'm like, "And a 60 inch fly's up." Like we need to up the ante here. - Yes, and you know what? - You know, with this happy-thedical live show, if you wanna bring something that's really expensive and large, I'm sorry, but you have to be the one to figure out how to transport it. - Yeah. - You know. - Exactly. - We're not dealing with that ad-n-d. - Okay, okay. - Speaking of live show though. - Yes. - Shall we present our plan? Because last week we said we were gonna present a plan and we actually have a presentation for you guys. - Perfee. - Because this is all hypothetical at this point, but we really wanna make it happen. - Yeah. - We wanna put the power in your hands though. - As I said before, we're thinking of start an extra year vibes because we need to be properly figuring out where we're going, what venues. You know, that's admin, that stuff that the production team need to be working on behind the scenes. - Yes, absolutely. - We wanna let you in though from the beginning and that's so exciting. So, for those listening at home who don't have visuals, Charlotte has her laptop up, she's getting a PowerPoint. - I speak. - Yeah, and there are sound effects if you hear thunder in the background. - If you hear thunder, if there are random pauses, it's because I'm referring to the IRL power. - Check out socials for the video. - Yeah. - We think we're gonna go to Melbourne for sure 'cause that's hometown. - Yeah. - And, you know, we love you guys, we're biased. - It's easy for us. - It's easy for us. - We live here. - We will not be going to Sydney because now hear us out. - Not going to Sydney. - We're not going to Sydney. We went to Sydney last year for our live shows. Even though Sydney is our next most listened to city, where she's living. - Yeah. - Does that make sense? - Yes. - I did. - I thought Annabelle was gonna read from the PowerPoint, but she's kind of gone off script, but this says, okay, well, fuck my chunga Sydney live. Where are you going then? - No, but like Sydney, we do love you. - Yes. - We just think you'll be all right though. You'll be fine without us next year. - Yeah, we're really not that important. - Where else are we going? You may be asking. - Well, we looked at our stats. Okay, women and STEM. - Yes. - The next three cities where our shushes live in and listen from. - We've got Brisbane. - We've got Adelaide and Perth. - Yes. (laughing) - So we're not trying to pee you guys against each other, but we actually are, we're getting you guys to vote. - Yeah. - If you live in Brisbane and you actually do want to, and plan to purchase a ticket to our live show, we don't want like, if you're just here to support us vibes, we want to know if you're actually going to buy tickets. So if you're from Brisbane, Perth, Adelaide, we're going to put a vote on our socials and you guys are going to click if you will actually purchase a ticket to our live show next year. - To make it clear most of our listeners are actually in Brisbane after Sydney. But we love an underdog. And because you know Ruby, you're from Perth. We think that we have a lot of loyal listeners in Perth, just like based off vibes. - Based off vibes, that would be iconic. - We want to give you guys actual power. - To make this decision for us. - Democracy, exactly. - It's important. - So like huge news guys, keep an eye out on socials. - It's so exciting. - Yeah. - And put a vote out. - Yay! - I'm petitioning for Perth. - Come on, Shushi. - Perth is so beautiful. - I've never been, so I'm kind of like way, - You love Perth. - Would you go to the beach? - I actually selfishly am also rooting for Perth. - Oh, I love Perth. But I'm selfishly rooting for Adelaide. - Why? - South Australia has a special place in my life. - Oh, you do love South Australia. - You know, I've actually never been to South Australia. - I have. - Anyway, I believe we have a secret to get to next Ruby. But first, a quick word from today's sponsor. - Hi sponsor. - Shushi's, I have some important news for anyone in to Jury, which respectfully is pretty much all of us. Majury has opened their second Australian store and their 61st store globally at the Emporium Melbourne, which is very handy for us three. This isn't just a pop in and leave situation. The space is stunning, calm and beautifully designed in Majury's trademark elevated style. It feels more like a curated experience than a traditional Jury store. There's even a piercing studio called The Show, created in collaboration with Ellison Studios. So if you've been thinking about adding to your piercing collection, this might just be your sign. 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He's supportive and loving and we have amazing sex, which is very important to us both, and important for you three to know while reading my secret. We've always discussed out-of-cius and fantasies with an open mind. And even if we don't act on something, conversations around spicing up our sex life have never been off limits. - Incredible. - I've never had a threesome before, but I've always fantasized about having one with Liam and another man. Liam's never made me feel awkward about it, but he's expressed that it's not something he really feels the need to do. Over time, we found other ways to roleplay the idea of a third person in the bedroom because I don't ever want to push for anything that could put a strain on our relationship. I'm confident that the fantasy stems from me wanting to be prioritized. It's not that I want to form a bond with someone else. As I mentioned, our sex life is amazing. I just feel really turned on by the thought of having a threesome with him. And I think I want the third person to be Liam's best friend, Dan. - Oh, there it is. - Dan. - Dan is something that we met at the bar. - Oh, Dan! - It's so funny. Dan has been in our friendship group for several years and he recently got out of a long-term relationship so he's been spending more time with us. He'll pop over throughout the week and Liam always encourages me to hang out with him one-on-one for support. But I don't think nurturing a deeper connection with Dan is a good idea. I'll be honest, he reminds me a lot of Liam and I find him attractive. - No! - Oh, no. - Oh, god, okay. Sometimes Dan will give me small compliments and I'll catch him staring at me longingly. - Dan. - Dan. - Dan. - My god. - It's all a bit of a joke, but Liam has started to make lighthearted comments about the way we get along. I think it's his way of reminding Dan that I'm his fiance. - Liam is not gonna like it when you suggest a three to three. - No, no. - This is where the threesome with Kink comes into it. I'm really turned on that Liam is the one who gets me, but Dan still finds me attractive. And I feel sick to admit it, but I've started to fantasize about Dan when Liam and I have sex. - Oh, dear. - I keep reminding myself, it's just a friendly familiar connection with between Dan and I. There's no way I could have developed feelings for my fiance's best friend, but then again, I don't know, maybe I kind of have. - Yeah. - To be clear, I never fantasize about sleeping with Dan alone, but if I could have sex with the two of them at once, I would. - Triple one, I guess. - And the bell and shoe, I need your advice. I'm so, so excited to marry Liam, but how do I best approach this? Should I tell him how I've been feeling? And if yes, do you think it should happen pre or post our wedding? And lastly, do you think there's a world where the threesome could happen and not enterably? Not on the wedding night, of course, lol. - Oh, we wasn't who anything. - No, no, no, no. - Oh my god, I'm speechless. - I've been with Liam for seven years. Sometimes I wonder if that has something to do with it, Emily. - Okay, right off the bat, I feel I need to preface this by saying, I'm not someone who has ever had a threesome or seen myself having a threesome in the future. So I'm more on like the Liam side of things when M says Liam's not really into threesome's. - Yeah. - Matt, respect for them personally, not. into it. But I also share that. Great. I've never had a threesome. I wouldn't be opposed to it. I've just never been in the situation or maybe thought that the right people are there. See, I kind of think maybe this could be possible. Interesting. Continue. I was going to say right off the bat, I do not think that this is something Liam would be into. Yeah. Because like there are so many barriers to entry. The first one was when she said Liam said he's gone into threesome. So, like that's pretty yeah. I understand their own dynamics often where one wants to do something sexually and the other doesn't and they come to a happy medium. That could have been possible. But then enter the other barrier to entry where it's like, oh, and I want to have a threesome with Liam's best friend Dan who looks like him or whatever. A lot of similarities. Liam seems to think that there might be something between him and Dan. Liam's not going to be happy about the proposition for a threesome definitely. Okay, let's indulge in the hypothetical world of this threesome. Right? Where it can happen and Liam is on board. It's like, what are the steps that you take? Are you making a group chat and calling it threesome? Are you like, what does this look like? Because I have friends who have recently had a threesome, but only because it happened organically. Like on a night out was not expecting it. But it was a different situation because I'm pretty sure that was two girls one guy. Yeah. And so, I don't think I'd ever be able to do like a planned threesome situation. Yeah. And also, I find it interesting that at the start, M's going, I want to have a threesome because I love Liam and I want to do something fun with Liam. It's got nothing to do with anyone else. I just want to have this fun experience with Liam. Oh, but plot twist, I also am attracted to Dan. He's their friend. And then it's like, oh, well, then I don't think it's about necessarily just Liam. Yeah. It feels like you want to entertain this other connection you have with somebody else who's very close to Liam. It's kind of tatering into that crush conversation that we had a few weeks ago. Yeah. And it'll be an interesting discussion that we will have after the break about whether or not you can keep this to yourself because nothing has happened just yet. But we'll do that, as I said, right after word from today's sponsor. Shrushes, if you're in Melbourne and have some time this weekend, you have to go and check out Majury's store opening at the Emporium. Honestly, it's as chic as their Jury is. Expect a calm, beautifully designed space that feels more like a curated experience. There's even a piecing studio called the "Shole" created in collaboration with none other than Ellison Studios. Majury is celebrating the opening of their second Australian store with exclusive perks and discounts all weekend long. Join the party and maybe get a piercing between May 15th and 17th at the Emporium Melbourne. Thank you so much to Majury for making this episode of "Everybody has a Secret Possible." Okay. I said that we would talk about whether she can keep it a secret. I reckon we do that close to the end of the discussion. After we've picked out all the bits who want to discuss. I'm really interested when M wrote, "I'm really turned on that Liam is the one who gets me, but Dan is the one who finds me attractive." Is there something happening in your relationship with Liam that you feel like he's not making you feel attractive? And then that's why you've kind of looked elsewhere in someone really similar to Liam. Yeah. Different. I don't know. I think maybe is there. You're kind of saying earlier. of insecurity that we need to be looking at. Yeah, should we not be getting all of the things from the one person, especially how long have they been together? Seven. Yeah, seven years she said, but they have really spoken in the past a lot about like kinks and fantasies, so it's quite an open dialogue between them, but obviously he's got no idea that she's feeling this way towards his best friends. It seems like a really blurring line between the kink fantasy and the crush situation here. And I'm just labeling it crush because that's kind of what it seems like. Oh, I agree. Yeah. I think it's a crush. I mean, I've heard of situations where couples have kinks or they might be open or whatever and there are certain rules. I mean, every couple who is non-monogamous has their different rules, but oftentimes I hear the rules even through this show. I hear the rules. No one that we know and love. No one who's connected to us because it might get messy. It's different. Yeah. It's different to have a crush who is a stranger versus a crush who is your fiance's best mate. Yeah. Because Liam doesn't know that Dan is playing this role in her head, like that she's fantasizing about this that often. Liam knows that she wants to have a threesome and that that's like a fantasy of hers. Liam knows that her and Dan get along and he has slowly started picking up on a vibe. That's all we've got. That's why I think Liam already knows and it would just be like a massive punch to the gut by her actually saying, "Yeah, I want to sleep with you, though, babe." I don't think that I don't think that'll go down well, but hey, you know Liam better than I do, I just feel like there might be something else going on because even her last line of we've been together for seven years, I wonder if that has something to do with it. It makes me feel like she thinks too something is going stale and that's not the end of the world, but I don't know of having a threesome with Liam's best friend who you feel like some of this, some sort of spark there, is going to fix your relationship with the guy you're about to marry. Oh my god, and what happens if you, again, indulging in the hypothetical threesome land, what happens if you have the threesome and then the spark is a lot of weak Dan dead with land. Yeah, what if you're like, "Oh, no, I'm in love with Dan." And it's like, that's the thing with threesome's is that there's nowhere to hide. Yeah. And so it's just like, he'll say that. Sorry, yes. Not to be a complete noob. No, go like son I even. But I imagine that threesome's can get awkward, no. If you're in one with your partner of seven years and someone who's new who've never slept with, who like might be more exciting to you, which seems to be the case here with him, I'm worried that it would get awkward if you are like wanting to try stuff with Dan and Liam's just like, "Oh, hello, fuck me then, I guess." It's like the unspoken rule is that like everyone is like all for it and the vibes, everyone's on the same level and no one has a fragile ego. I think that's the unspoken rule of these situations and it's hard for you to imagine and also me to imagine because it's like, that's just not our preference and like intimacy. I have such a fragile and yeah, no, it's a sad story. It's just like, yeah, it's tough to imagine. And I'm sure like, maybe people just use sex differently and they definitely do sometimes like, for M maybe sex is just sex here, maybe sex will just be sex with Dan and nothing more. But my mind tends to go down the route of maybe she's hit the seven-year mark, isn't there something to do with the seven-year-age? Isn't that a saying? Yeah. Where you hit that seven-year mark and, oh my god, I'm so comfortable with this person, but something's missing. It's a trend that people see in a lot of long-term relationships and apparently it often causes a lot of restlessness and temptation and that doesn't mean that you have to break up. A lot of couples get through it, but just want to keep in mind, Em. Well, they've had such good conversations in the past and it seems like they have such a strong, open dialogue between the two of them. Zoom out. Love. Emily, zoom out. I think you need to talk to your boyfriend about this, your fiance. I think you need to talk to him about it. I think because he's been so understanding in the past, he will probably be a little bit of a bruise to the ego, maybe, because it's his best friend, but try to about it. And then if you're scared to try to about it, it's because, well, maybe you have a little thing for Dan. I've had a revelation. I also want to talk about whether or not she has to tell Liam that she has an ongoing fantasy about Dan. My revelation was just now that she was saying Liam and Dan are pretty cushionally similar. Yeah. So it is kind of giving, I've been in this long-term relationship with Liam, who I love, and we have hit this point where things are not as exciting as they used to be. I'm just going to turn my head slowly to the right. Look at Dan, who is exactly the same essentially, but new and maybe does find me attractive. As I was saying before, I mean, it's not necessarily a revelation because I think I've already spoken to it before, but I think it's genuinely because they're so used to each other and she needs something to spice up their relationship between the two of them. Maybe that is a threesome with someone else, but I don't think it's Dan. That's why I'm like zoom out, talk to him about it because there's no good that can come from just like not talking about it with your fiance. Yeah. I wonder if there's a way to talk to him about it without, I just worry that it will get awkward. Is this just so avoided of me? I worry that if you're like, so I've been having this fantasy about your best friend, but I don't know what that means about. No, okay, this is what it would be like, right? It would be like, hey, so you know that threesome fantasy thing that we've spoken about in the past. You'll be like, yes, no, and what's up with that these days? Like, where are you at? Mentally thinking about that. Yardy, yardy, yardy, yardy, yardy. This is what I imagine that open conversation sounds like. Where are you at with that? And she'll be like, well, actually, and this is going to be really weird. And I maybe suspect that you've been picking up on some like stolen glances, but I don't know why, but it's all of this energy is being directed towards Dan. And how do you feel about that? Because I know it's like, I know you so well, I know that that isn't something you'd be comfortable with, but I can't help it. It's just kind of happened. And it needs to kind of. Yeah. And I guess you're right, because Liam also already knows something's going on. Like he's witnessing the staring into each other's eyes. And Dan's calm also, and how we talk, we have it. We haven't spoken about Dan. No, we haven't. And the role he plays. Yeah. Because like, that's dangerous. Yeah. And that is disrespectful to your best friends. Yes. And I get complimenting people. Mm-hmm. But I come on. Come on, there's a lie. And I'm sure Dan's crossing it knowing Dan. Yeah. Yeah, why is he saying, sorry. No, it's his eyes. And like flirting with her. Like, look, they might have that kind of relationship. She said you've got a very friendly, bantery relationship. But like, oh, come on. Yeah, well, that's your best. I assume he'll be best made at the weds. At the weds. At the wedding. And who knows what these information will do to their friendship. We're in debt. Oh my god. Because that is murky territory. I mean, my revelation before wasn't really a revelation. But I do think the fact that they're really similar, yes, is important to note here. It's not like she's finding someone completely different. Who's like, rogue. And like, I don't know some sort of like traveler. Yeah, you know. Yeah, yeah. It's not like she's finding someone so different to him attractive because she is unhappy in this relationship with Liam. It's kind of like she is happy because she's looked to someone really similar to Liam. Just slightly more different. The only difference really here on the facts is that she hasn't been in a 70 relationship with Dan. She has though been in one with Liam. What did she say again that she was so attracted to about Liam and then Dan? Yes, I found this interesting too. Let me just read it out again. I think I know the bit. It's the kink that comes into it. I'm really turned on that Liam is the one who gets me, but Dan finds me attractive. Is that what you were talking about? Yes. But the inference is that Dan finds me attractive because I'm new. Because we're not in a long-term relationship. But I'm something shiny and new. That's the only difference. Yes, so Liam gets you. Maybe you're like bang on the money there with the seven-year-age. Yeah. Well, it is a thing. No, but how much of a thing is it? Is it so much of a thing that there are people out there that have genuinely ended relationships? Oh. Really? I think so. Well, our EP Lucy has written a note here saying, "Do you want to read it out to you?" Yes, please. The seven-year-age refers to a popular belief that happiness in a marriage or long-term relationship declines around the seven-year mark. So it is like a well-known thing and I'm sure people have broken up with their long-term partners because of this-age. Do we do a call out? Yeah, I reckon. It feels familiar. I feel like we've spoken out the concept, but I don't know if we've heard secrets about it. I need both. Sure, she's for you wanting to submit your responses. I need both stories about breaking through the seven-year mark and also stories about ending because you realize you just want to waste your time. 100%. Because I'm sure that's what it is. It's like, oh my God, looking back and there's this looming feeling of, I've been with this person for seven years and I feel depleted randomly. Yeah. Or I've been with this person for seven years. We're hitting a lull, but let's work through it because I love this person and this person gets me, which I think is what's happening here with M and Liam. Perfect. My final thing is, is the seven-year-ich? Is that just on a macro scale the same as the three-month situation-ship-ich? Oh my God, it probably is. Probably. Probably on the theory. Yeah, this is actually Ruby's theory, but I'm going to present it. It's essentially just like, once you hit that three-month mark in a situation-ship, that's the turning point. It's like pivotal. Something's going to change, it comes for you and then you a victim to it. Yeah. And so it's kind of like that, but on a macro scale. I love that. But yeah, that's exactly what she's saying. She's saying it is something. Sorry. Do we think Emily should tell Liam about her fantasy of Dan Liam, Emily, banging? Oh. Well, you thought she should tell it. I still think she should. What do you think? Yeah. I do think she should. Sometimes though, on this show, I have this moment of, oh, is radical honesty in relationships, the right moods. Damaging. Because I have that in my relationship right now, where I'm just like, blah, blah, blah. What you said about your ex saying, there's such thing as like, what was it a quiet thought or an intern thought? Some thoughts are inside thought. I have no inside thought. No. Everything is out loud. I wonder if that would change though, as the years go on. I don't know. I've never been in like a 7 plus year relationship. Maybe there's just like more at stake and more you learn about what will hurt your partner and what won't. Yeah, also experiences come into play, big cannon events happen, and then that changes how you see the other person and maybe you grow or maybe like there's resentment in the build. It's like, who the fuck are those? Like, because we've never been in relationships that have gone for that long. No. And I don't know. Maybe she, after hearing this discussion, hopefully, helpful discussion, is going, maybe it isn't about Dan. Maybe I don't actually want to do this with him anymore because I would advise to just that powerful. And maybe I want to focus on Liam here. Maybe a lot of maybe he's here. I don't need to tell him about Dan because that will only hurt his friendship with Dan. So I think it's really up to the way you feel about Dan after this. Is it actually about Dan M or is it about you and Liam? One-on-one, focusing in on that. Or do you actually have a big fat crush on Dan and you can't face it? Get rid of it. And it's not really about Liam and you actually want to indulge in. Maybe that is also then about Liam still. Yeah. I just think she needs to tell him because at the end of the day there is nothing hotter than the person that gets you. Give the conversation a crack, knowing that you've had green lights in the past with other tough conversations. He gets you and hopefully that's hotter and sexier than anything that fucking Dan could offer you. And also like fuck Dan. He's also giving you weird compliments and staring at you back. So if you do tell Liam and it does fracture their relationship between Liam and Dan I mean, for some reason. Then well, I guess he walked into this too. Dan is just team-o-lam. Yeah, she's fine. And if you really do want to have this reason, which I think she does, like they have spoken about these kinks and fantasies. And Liam has never shut her down. He doesn't want to make her feel awkward. But it's really important to have firm boundaries and be open about this. And I do think there are some cases where people actually have sex with their partner and a friend. But you'd have to be so open. Yeah, it could work. And you'd have to be like maybe, again, this is a real blanket statement. I'm sure there are people who have done it and it's worked out. But I feel like maybe you need to be in a friendship group where this happens a lot or like everyone's having sex all the time with everyone. Whereas I'd love to know Dan's vibe. Like is he, what's he doing? Is he also really invested in just this thing with Emily and no one else? Because that does play a role. I think yes. There's some sort of like feeling back. Or maybe it's just like actually non-existent. And we put Dan into the vault and we were like, hey, Dan, what do you think of Emily here? Be like, what my best mates, fiancee? I think she's funny. I don't know. Imagine if this was all just Emily projecting onto Dan. Which is so, so probable. Maybe Dan is just flirty and does this with everyone. Who really knows? Regardless. Regardless. If you want to have a threesome Emily, you definitely still can. It's great that Liam's not turning you down. That's our king. I'd suggest having a threesome with someone else. Yeah. If that's actually something you really want here, if that's the thing that's kind of igniting your file, chase it. Chase that dream. But like, don't look down the road for it. You know? Don't look at Dan. Don't shoot where you are. No. And also one final thing, Emily, Liam actually might not want to have a threesome with you. He did express that he might not want to. And if that's the case, you do need to find a happy medium. Whatever that might be for you. Guys, that brings us to the end of today's episode. Thank you, Shrushie's for listening. Everybody has a secret is produced by Ruby Hall and Lucy Hunt. Thank you, team. And we are on Instagram, TikTok, @ihaspodcast. If you want to check out our cutdowns, if you want to see our presentation that we did at the start of this episode, that will be on socials. Follow, follow, follow. Bye, bye, bye. Bye, bye, bye. Bye, bye. And deny, deny, deny. And vote for birth. Vote for birth. But it's a half a lat. Oh, Brisbane. I appreciate it. 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