“I Spent 4 Minutes With A Living Alien!” -Top Neurosurgeon [Exclusive Interview]

There was an arm, a forearm, a hand, and three fingers here. Today's episode of American Alphamy is truly historic. We interview three of the most important UFO witnesses alive today. You mentioned that the being almost seemed to have control of the room. What did you mean by that? The feeling was that he understood what was happening. He wasn't afraid. He was highly intelligent, at least more than I was. A neurosurgeon who was face to face with an extraterrestrial being for three to four minutes while it was recovering in a hospital bed. A pilot in UFO crash witness who held pieces of a UFO in his hands. Finally, we interview a lead doctor who did the autopsy on a soldier that was likely wounded by an alien being. And you won't believe what they found in this autopsy. You might be telling yourself at this point, all of this sounds insane and beyond belief. And then you realize how many witnesses on record we have from this case. James, how many witnesses do you think you've spoken to total? In a witness, is anybody who's seen a ship or an alien body? Ship, maybe 12 to 15, and then the alien body, I think it's up to five. Wow. It's pretty amazing. It is literally a modern Roswell, but in Brazil, in 1996. In fact, the UFO material, held by one of our guests today, Carlos de Sosa, sounds exactly like the crash material at Roswell. Light, tinfoily, and when he bent it, it would immediately go back into its original shape like some sort of memory metal. The UFO also looked exactly like a Tic Tac, similar to the famous Nimitz incident in 2004 from Commander David Fraber. Also like many American UFO crashes, we have Air Force and CIA involvement here. Because they landed without the authorization of the Brazilian government, it was a secret mission, and it was a US Air Force plane. This event is an open secret in the Brazilian city of Virginia, where it occurred. Witnesses of the UFO and the beings that emerged from it, ranged from the local chief of police to this lead neurosurgeon we're interviewing today, to nurses, to everyday farmers. The former mayor even admits it happened. In fact, the city constructed a large model UFO statue to commemorate the remarkable event. And now, thanks to the tireless and intrepid reporting of my friend and UFO investigator, James Fox, over the last 15 years, you basically have a complete chain of events, with human on-record witnesses assembled throughout. You've mentioned multiple times that there is a video of him essentially performing surgery on this alien. If you had to guess, do you think that the tape is lying around in private civilian hands? How do you think it's in his house, still? Yes, I believe so. Many of these witnesses needed to be hounded over decades by local UFO researchers just to come forward, and none of them have made a penny off their testimony. We go over some wild never-before-heard details. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence here. At the end of the day, all of these testimonies should be a rallying cry to keep turning this case over and keep gathering more hard evidence, as James Fox has done in his powerful moment of contact documentaries. Without further ado, I want you to sit back, relax, and prepare to have your mind absolutely blown with the unprecedented testimony of some of the most important UFO witnesses in modern-day history. Dr. Italo Ventarelli, Dr. Armando Fortinato, and Carlos D'Sosa. Everyone talks about the Bermuda Triangle, but no one warns you about its colder, weirder cousin. In the heart of Alaska lies the Alaska Triangle, where planes disappear, hikers vanish, and the only thing that shows up reliably is my wild-alaskin company seafood box. I'm being serious here, guys. I definitely don't trust flying over portals, but I do trust this fish. Most seafood? 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I want you to take us back to the day you had this experience with the UFO and just give me as much detail as you possibly can about what happened, moment by moment. In 1996, I was doing a course to become an ultra light pilot. And on my graduation, the colleagues invited us to go to the farm of one of their grandfathers to have a barbecue, have a good time, spend time together, you know, in between friends. So I told them, "Look, I'm going to mean this," and it was going to be in today's Corazzois, which is a city after Vagia, which is a closer city. I left it at night at a small company. So I left and went toward Vagia. And halfway along the way, I stopped and slept a bit to get some rest. It was nighttime. So the next day, I would wake up early and continue the journey better rested. Well, on that day, I woke up. I left early, I think, around 5-15 in the morning, very early. And I started driving and left. When I was getting close to Vagia, what happened? I saw, then I stopped, and then I stopped and looked ahead, and I saw an object pass over the road, and I noticed that the object was having problems. It was smoking. From my point of view, at first glance, I never, never imagined that it was some sort of flying object, a ship. I thought it might have been a blimp. In Brazil, during that time, in '96, it was very common to have blimps flying over the stadiums to film the football games. So for me, it was a blimp. That's all. Just letting you know that I didn't see it immediately think, "Oh, that's a UFO." I thought it was just a plain old blimp. But I could see that there were problems, and I could see that when it changed angles, there was a tear in the side, and a lot of smoke coming out of that tear. In other words, I thought, "Oh, maybe they hit something, a surface, a tower, maybe a tree, a hill, and it ripped the side of it, and they're losing altitude, they're falling." But as every good pilot and human being, for that matter, you don't think of anything else. This thing that comes to mind is, hang on, there are people in there. They will need help, because only pilots understand what an aircraft crashes. In that exact moment, that's what went through my mind. There are people in there. They're going to need help. I'm going to them to help them, and see what's going on, and see if I can come to their aid. Immediately, I got into my vehicle, which was a small pickup truck, and followed the aircraft. So what happened was, it simply appeared to begin to lose altitude. Then, all of a sudden, it seemed to gain power, and started rising again. And I thought, well, the pilot, or whoever's piloting this craft, this blimp, as I thought it was, knows what they're doing, because there's a city ahead of them, and it appeared to not want to fall on the city, and so it was increasing altitude. And so I thought, wow, they're really clever, and trying to avoid a bigger accident. So it crossed over again, so once again, it came, started rising, crossed again over the highway, and went toward an open field. And following it, I looked up, and I could see the object, all of a sudden, lose altitude totally, and fall. And at that time, I accelerated as much as I could. and entered in the very first possible roadway to go to where I believed the glimp had fallen. As soon as I came up to the dirt road, I immediately observed the fallen object. It crashed. It seemed to have bounced the rear end of the craft, which was completely destroyed, repaces everywhere, and the front of it, which was practically half of it, slid further and ran into a tree. That's literally what it did. It ran into a tree. Hit the tree and stopped, and this rear part, mainly wreckage. And from inside the car, I was terrified. I thought, my God, there must be dead people in there. To me, it was a glimp. It wasn't. I never thought it was a spacecraft or a UFO or extra-terrestrial. No way. I just thought it was a flying dirageable. And I came down, terrified, and went toward it. The very first thing that I observed, and that really caught my attention, was the smell. Because at that moment, what I was expecting was the smell of diesel fuel or kerosene or aircraft fuel. It's normally a very strong smell. And on the contrary, the smell that I felt at the crash site felt like ammonia. It was very strong. I don't know what was the fuel or the substance that was there, but it was a very strong smell, something different. And it began to burn my eyes. So I brought my shirt up over my eyes because of the sting to protect my nose. And immediately, it couldn't have been more than two minutes later. Coming toward my car was a military convoy. That convoy had a front truck with a jeep. And you could see that there were officers, an ambulance, and two other trucks. These tarp-covered trucks from the army. And they stopped. In front of my vehicle, a bunch of soldiers got out of the back. And they didn't appear to get out randomly. They formed a V formation to close off the perimeter. And from the front truck, there were officers and soldiers that got out from that jeep. And one of the officers said, "Look over there. Send him away. You can't be here," he shouted. And a soldier, huge, really strong, probably two meters tall, really strong, came running, shouting, "Get out of here, get out of here." And just at that time, I could see quite a few pieces of debris on the ground, and I picked them up. And it was kind of curved. And then I was surprised to see how light it was. You know, aluminum foil that you use to wrap up chicken to roast that you use normally in the kitchen. It was that kind of weight. It didn't weigh anything at all. And I thought, "Well, this is strange." All right. So I said, "I'll keep it." And so I crunched it up. And so I made this kind of movement, you know, to put it in my pocket. And what happened was this foil or this sheet regained its shape. So I thought, "What is this?" I was completely floored at that moment. And then that soldier arrived, took his rifle and started hitting me on the chest and saying, "Get out of here." And I started to question him, saying, "No." There are people there who are going to need help. I'm going to help them. I'm a pilot, man. I know what they're going through. I want to help them. And he said, "No, get out of here." And I confronted him and I said, "No, I'm going to stay." He took a step back, raised his gun, cocked it, and pointed it at my head, pointing at my head right here and said to me, "I'm not asking. I'm giving you an order. If you don't leave, I'm going to blow your brains out." Then I started shaking all over. I thought, "My God, well, no, no, no, no, all right. I'm sorry. I'll leave. You hit my hand and threw the piece of debris out of my hand." I went back to my car, steered it out, and I was still shaking all over, because I wasn't understanding at all what was happening. I did a U-turn on that small road and went back to the main highway. And I was in such a state where I thought, "I can't fly like this," because in order to fly any aircraft, any vehicle, you have to be at peace with yourself, especially when your life's at stake. So you simply can't be all, "Oh, I'll fly no matter what." That's not how it works. You have to be centered. And there was no way in the state that I was in. So I thought, "I'll go back, have some coffee," you know. So I can relax a bit. At that moment when I was going back, the following thought came to mind. Look, this is probably a government experiment, because I didn't think it was a spacecraft or an extraterrestrial object. To me, it was a government experiment that I shouldn't have seen. In other words, I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, saw what I shouldn't, and they sent me away. To me, that was it, period. I turned around, went to get some coffee, and when I stopped, because in Brazil, every gas station, they have places where you can have coffee, something to eat, and they're always at the side of the road. I went in, told the young man, "Could you please get me a coffee?" And he said, "What's wrong, mister? You're shaking. I caught my breath and saw a black car. It's what at the time in Brazil, we would call an obala, was popular in Brazil. It pulled up two people in black suits, in white shirts. One of them with dark sunglasses. One of them took them off. Looked at me and said, "Are you Mr. Carlos de Soza, residing in such place? Your wife's name is such and such. This is your company's name." I looked at them and I said, "What are you crazy? Who are you to interrogate me? You nuts?" He pointed a finger straight in my face and said, "Just a word of advice. You didn't see anything. You don't know anything. If you open your mouth to anyone about this, you're going to have serious problems for the rest of your life. So leave, get out of here and keep quiet." I leaned on the counter with no idea what was going on, no idea whatsoever. The young man behind the counter served me my coffee and he said, "Mr. I know some people in the highway police. They can't talk to you that way." So he gave me a little napkin and a pen and said, "Right down the license plate and I'll pass it on to them to discover who these people are. They can't talk to you that way. So I got the napkin, the pen, and went to the door and the car was leaving." And whoever said there was a license plate, the car didn't have one. At that moment my blood pressure just dropped. Really, it just dropped completely. I was like, "My God." So then I got back into the car, thanked the young man and thought to myself, "I'm going home. I'm going home because I'm in no condition to do anything. I was still shaking completely. Just wouldn't stop shaking, breathing heavily, trying to process in my mind what was going on." So got back in the car, drove to some part, got home and told my wife, "This, this, and that happened." She said, "Look, don't say anything about it. We don't know what it is and we're not going to meddle with what we don't know." Fine. A week passed, but it was still on my mind. To me, up to that point, that was a government experiment. It was no longer a glimp. It was now a government experiment I shouldn't have seen. I kept my mouth shut and after some time went by, something like eight or nine months, maybe, the case that became known as the Vajna case showed up in the media. Because the Vajna case came about a week, five or six days after this. When those girls saw the creature, they saw that being, five or six days after I saw the crash of the object in the town of Vajna. And I heard later on from some specialists that there's a river called the Hu Vaj and from the crash site to this river, There's a distance of about 50 or 100 meters, and the river runs right behind the place where these girls saw the creature, just behind it in the town. I heard about it from the media. You see, to me, it didn't make sense. I'd never been there. It was my first time, so if I were to say, "Oh, I knew it, I'd be lying." And it was during that time, how do you say, a UFO researcher called Cloudy Yerkov. He's already died. He went to the media in Brazil and asked for the love of God if anyone has any information to come forward. Because the question at the time was, where did these creatures come from? If they're here, they came from somewhere. Was there a crash? Did something happen? They didn't just appear out of thin air. They had to have come from somewhere. Because you see, "I'm not dumb. Come on. It hit me." I thought, "My God, could it be?" Of course. Of course it did. So I picked up the phone and I called Cloudy Yerkov. At that time, there was only landlines, you know, with rotary dials, especially in Brazil this technology was still very old. You had to dial the numbers. It was analog. So I called him and said, "Is this Mr. Cloudy Yer?" He said, "Yes, speaking. If you'd like to know where the ship crashed, I do." I'm pretty sure it's the same ship, because I didn't have 100% certainty. But I said, "Look, I'm almost sure that this is where the craft fell." All of a sudden, his tone completely changed over the phone. "Please, please, give me your address. I'll come over and see you." He took down the address and in 15 to 20 minutes he arrived at my company, actually. So he arrived there and I said, "Look, let's talk somewhere far away from the company. At the corner of the street, close to my company, because I wanted to keep it separate." And so we talked and he asked me how it happened, and I told him everything that I told you right now. So he said to me, "Look, could you take me there?" And I said, "Absolutely." But of course, I can't go during weekdays because I have my company to look after. So we'll go on the weekend. Okay. So we went on the weekend, he came with his car, and we went to Vagina, and along the way I told him the whole story. And I took him to the crash site. When we arrived there, he sat down and was like, "My God, you know why? The tree that I told you about that the ship ran into was burnt to a crisp." And from the foot of the tree, there was a kind of a circle, an elongated circle. All of the vegetation was growing around it, except for inside that circle, there wasn't anything, anything at all, nothing. And he said, "My God." And it was the shape that I described to him. I told him, and he asked me, "What was the shape like?" I said, "It was like a cigar, a cylinder. Today, it's known as a tic-tac, the same shape, so people can understand the actual shape of it. People like to say, "Oh, there were blinking lights. Not true, there were no blinking lights. It was only that kind of aluminum foil, very polished, and the early morning sun. Its rays would reflect on it, and it would shine, but there were no lights. Oh, there were colorful blinking lights. No, there was none of that. Only the shine of the actual metal. So he got down there, and he took samples of the tree, took samples of the soil, and took them months later. And he recorded all of this, using super-ate cameras, which were big cameras that we had at the time. Not entirely sure you had to use those film rolls that you had to put in to record. It was the latest thing in technology at the time, at least for us. So he simply collected those samples, took them to the lab, and some months later he said that the lab results indicated that the burning of the soil and the tree was caused by chemical products. And that they were unknown, in other words, if I had any doubts, they were gone then and there. And something interesting that happened, that I always like to tell, is that close to the crash site, there were two houses, one small, simple place because it's in the middle of a big valley, and James filmed it there. He filmed it and showed it to us. I took him there, the very small house, and the people that lived there were your typical country people, very modest. They lived there with their family. So Claudio Cuov was said, "Look, if you saw it, these people also saw it." And I said, "Yeah, I agree, let's go there." So he went down, the owner of the house started to shout with his sons and his daughters, "Get inside, get inside, shut up, don't say anything." They went in and he locked the house completely from the inside. So we knocked and he said, "Sir, can we please talk to you?" But he kept shouting, "Go away, I have nothing to say to you guys already spoke to the army, go away." And since he wouldn't talk to us, we thought, "I guess we'll have to leave then. We can't force anything out of him." Then we saw the house in front of it, which was a farm right across from it, filled with cattle. And so he headed up there, because it wasn't plain or anything. First there was a plain surface, then a huge depression, really deep, way down, right next to the river. So we went up and we knocked on the door of this house, the one with the cattle, and an old man came out, and we said, "Good afternoon, how do you do?" Could you kindly tell me if you heard anything unusual around here in January? And the man said, "Of course I did, my entire house shook." We said, "Wait a minute, what?" I'm telling you, Mr., it was 5 a.m., I came out to melt the cows, and all the cattle started to get agitated. And there was this large noise in my entire house shook, and we said, "My God, we asked you know what it was?" He said, "I don't know." Then a bunch of armed soldiers came, telling us to stay inside, that there had been an accident, and that everything was okay, and everything was under control. "Oh, okay." Chloe Aquilva recorded this. He has this recorded on film, all this testimony regarding the event. Okay, so fine. We returned sometime later, and used a metal detector on the place. They didn't find anything. They said they found these small springs, but all of these testimonies were with this researcher called Chloe Aquilva, and he died all of a sudden. And his daughter kept them. She's a psychologist, and she's, how can I say, a very good person, a very calm person. Easygoing, thoughtful, and she herself says that her stepmother destroyed all the material, and she still has a part of the material, she kept it being his daughter. So she has that with her, so if you ask me what material did she have, I don't know exactly, all she said was she had a part of it, so I thought, "Okay, that's good." "Oh, cool. It's proof. Great. I was really happy." And I was asked, "Why were you so happy?" Because I was tired of being called a liar. Because when I would tell this story, because you see, when called, they recorded it. He leaked the recording, at the time, to a TV network called Reja Globo in Brazil, and this network every time would ridicule the case. It took away any credibility. "Oh, it's nothing." And everyone, be them from Vagia, or all over Brazil, started poking fun at the story, because of them. You know, these people from the press that seemed that they've been bought off, to take credibility away from the story, that's what they did. In other words, when footage of me was leaked, in the media, specifically a show called "Fantastica," which is pretty much watched all over Brazil. Relatives, everyone started poking fun. "Hey, where's ET? Where's the alien?" Because if someone would say I saw the creature, that's a lie. I never saw the creature. I saw the crash site. There was no time to see if there was a creature or anything. I didn't see anyone. because I believe if I arrived something like three or four minutes after the crash just after it happened. Oh, you didn't see a creature? No, I didn't. I didn't. But you know, it's not true. I just wanted to say that I too went with Marco in 2013 and I knocked on every single door of every house within a quarter or a half a mile of that crash site. And we found one farm hand in 2013. I have a have it on video. I didn't use it at the film for whatever reason. But he said, yeah, yeah, my boss was here and he heard a boom, like a boom sound. And he said it on camera. Oh, yeah, I know it was known. It was 2013. So that would have been what, 13, 14, 18, 17 years after the incident. But I knocked on the small house and there were news. I knocked on any house. It was within a certain proximity. And we got one farm hand to say, yeah, you'd heard that there was a big impact like a boom really early in the morning. How can, how can we find this material that might exist? Can you can you get your hands on this material? You did say to me about four or five years ago that her a lot of her father's archives were in the hands of his ex or his middle. I guess it would have been. And that she was very guarded with some of that material that she did get, she did get a lot. She, I don't know exactly what she had. I can ask. Do you think that she has the UFO material, the aluminum foil like material? No, not aluminum foil. No, let me explain. There's documentary footage filmed by him, the aluminum sheet, meaning those pieces of the craft were taken out of my hand by the military at the moment of the crash, okay? That's one thing. Another thing is this happened later. The evidence she has from the soil from people hearing things was recorded by Claude Hicovu eight or nine months later proving all of that. And what I described ended up connecting everything like putting the pieces together. Everything the girls talked about, everything people in the city were saying, because it all started there. The first contact, the first moment happened right there. Who's this guy with the super eight camera that went with you to take soil samples and to look at the burnt tree. Who is that exactly? That's Claude Hicovu. Well, look, I know that Claude collected the material and sent it to a lab. Now, if I told you exactly where I'd be lying, because look, for me at the time, it was simply the crash of an object. I never had much awareness of this kind of thing, because I was never really into it. I was always very skeptical about this type of phenomenon, you know? I didn't really pay attention to it. In fact, a well-known Brazilian researcher, who is a co-producer of Moment of Contact, named Machkuleau, told me something years later, now around 2019, something like that. In an informal conversation with friends, he said to me, "Kahuos, do you realize you're one of the few human beings who actually held a piece of a non-terrestrial object in your hand?" And I said, "Huh? You're right, that's true." I never thought about it that way. I never, ever gained anything from this. And this is interesting, because just to continue the story I was telling to put everything in order, everything that happened so you can understand the whole picture. When it came out in the media, everyone started mocking me, "Oh, the alien guy, you saw the little alien. People laughed at me. They lied, because when someone is an outsider, they don't have to believe. But when it comes from family, cousins, relatives, that hurts." I was harassed a lot. I was ridiculed. Did you ever get a look at the inside of the craft? The inside of the craft, because if part of the craft crashed on the ground and then the rest of it kept going, "Did you ever see the inside or any of the components?" No, no. What I saw, the only thing you could see, was half of the craft blown open. You could see there was something inside, okay? Just a silhouette, kind of a shadow, because my eyes were like this, you know? That strong burning sensation was burning, stinging. If I said, "Oh, I saw everything clearly inside," that would be a lie. I couldn't see it. If I said, "Oh, I saw the instruments inside." No, I didn't. I wasn't worried about instruments. To me, it was a blimp. I was worried about whether there were people heard on the ground. When you smell sulfur now, or since then, does it exactly match that smell? Or is it a unique specific smell? You say ammonia and sulfur. Yes, yes. The smell was, because I was expecting the smell of fuel, and it was a different smell. I don't know what that smell was. If I said, "Oh, it was from the creature," I would be a lie. I don't know. I just know the smell at the site. I don't know if it was the craft's fuel or something else, but it smelled like ammonia mixed with rotten eggs. You mix those two and put them right under your nose. Yeah, it's not a good smell. It was awful. What was the exact color of the craft? On the outside, it was metallic. And on the inside, it looks kind of bluish, a undefined color. I can't tell you, "Oh, it was like this. Nice and clear. You could see everything." No, that'd be a lie. I couldn't really see inside, because I was at a distance of maybe from where I arrived, from the rear part to where it was leaning against the tree, it must have been about 100 to 150 meters away. So there was no clarity, especially with that smell, you know? It was too much going on. I couldn't say, "Oh, I'm going to look inside." No, I just couldn't see it. How big do you think the craft was? The object was about the size of a mini bus, like a high school bus. Roughly the same size as a school bus. Do you have any idea as to whether there was radiation or, you know, anomalous electromagnetic activity involved? At the time, no. I wasn't thinking that. At that moment, it wasn't that to me. At that moment to me, it was a blimp. That was in trouble. So, radiation, contamination, that never crossed my mind. If I said it did, I'd be lying. It doesn't cross your mind, because you don't expect something like that. It's different from seeing something and thinking, "I'm seeing a UFO. It's going to crash." Oh, radiation. When you look at an object and think it's a blimp, there are people inside. It's going to crash, and those people will need help. That's all you think about. You don't think about radiation. I didn't think about radiation in any moment. No, I didn't think about it. Did it feel like time was moving slower in any way, or did it feel like you literally just thought this was this kind of blimp or dirigible, and it had, you know, crashed? No. Time felt normal. There was nothing like lapses in time or anything like that. No. Everything unfolded normally. Like, regular time. For me, it was normal. I never felt any temporal distortion. And this was the Brazilian army, clearly. Like, you could make out that it was definitely the army? Yes, it was near the Eza, okay? The army sergeant's school. In Brazil, Eza stands for "Eschwalla de Saje de Anthra de Azamish." I didn't know that, okay? 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I have a really interesting point that I want to make quickly because I just talked to a leisurely, the mechanic who worked on the trucks, that this was the mechanic for the trucks that has a military base and he said that he had to make all these extensive repairs on the suspension at that time because he was like, they must have been flying down pothole dirt roads because they just did a lot of damage and he had to make all these repairs. Wow. I thought that was a really interesting connection. Well, I also think it's an interesting connection that Carlos is saying that the material is lightweight but maybe it's a lot of weight if you're putting a school bus on your truck. The suspension might break and so forth. I think it was more for them when they were racing to get to the site that they were flying down the dirt roads because they got there within minutes. So it's speculation. It's interesting that we have that connection and we got to him through the nurse that we met the night we brought all the doctors together. She was the one that was telling us. Tomorrow was there. I know it was telling the truth. I know. We were like, how do you know? And she was shaking. She goes, because that was there. Wow. And then we went and met with her at her house and that her partner was the mechanic for as the trucks and he's the one that told us all these reparations had to be made, repairs had to be made because he was assuming that they were speeding down pothole dirt roads. Just another little piece of the puzzle, an interesting aspect of it. Oh, very interesting. Yeah. And did you hear independently anything about the material being sort of aluminum foil like or, you know, if you crumple it up, it goes back into its original position? You know, the only thing I heard was people, first hand witnesses, I personally interviewed and it said it was cylindrical shape, like a school bus, like a cigar, had no control service, that kind of thing. And another interesting aspect of it is Dr. Armando, who did the autopsy on the deceased military officer, he has two friends, farmers that saw exactly what he saw before it crashed. Just another little piece that, yeah, the puzzle, there's so many aspects of this story. Well you also have farmers documented in moment of contact, you also have a guy who looked outside his window, looking at it, and then you show the entire flight path. And then I think what I love, to be honest, about Carlos de Sosa's testimony specifically, is you have this very dramatic part of moment of contact where he's showing you the site, the crash site. And to me, if you were a liar, he would have said, here it is. But he gets there and he goes, it wasn't here, in fact the landscape has changed and he goes, I'm looking for this white house, I swear it's a white house, to white house. And he took you for two hours. Yeah, I thought this was, I was so disappointed at the time I was like, oh my god, this is going horribly. How could this guy not remember where the spot was? And then when he sees the actual spot, not only do you see different topology and vegetation, different color, coloration of the ground locally where he says the spot is, but he starts crying. And it's this very moving part of the movie where you say, a key, a key, and you break down. And I don't know, I don't think you can fake that, so yeah, it's pretty, I mean, you have to ask yourself, you know, why witness has come forward, not selling a book. He's not selling a documentary. We chased him down. We found him, Mark O'Leah, found him, chased him down, and he finally agreed to meet with me. And then he ultimately agrees, screw it, let's go back to the, since 1996, he had been there since 1996. So it's been 26 years at the time. Wow. You know, and I was like, man, if this guy's lying, we don't need any more Brad Pitt's or Leonardo Caprio's. Exactly. And this remarkable encounter you had at this sort of food stand afterwards with this guy who's wearing a suit, two guys wearing a suits, and an unmarked car. He walks out a lot of people in the US like to talk about this men in black phenomenon, which are you could say they're the first responders when it come to sort of alien experiences. Did they seem like they were human and they were coming from intelligence agencies or army affiliated or did they almost seem paranormal or alien themselves? To me, they looked normal. I mean, the only thing that caught my attention, because I'm a short guy, I'm not tall, you know, not big or muscular, was that they were very tall, okay? They were about the height of someone like James or other tall, strong people, very military looking, you know, big muscular ripped. And I'd look up at them and like, ah, okay, yes, sir, they were strong, okay? But if someone says, oh, they had weird eyes or something, that's a lie, a lie. They were normal people, okay? Normal human beings, just strong and very well dressed. Only one of them spoke. The other stood next to him, just watching, wearing sunglasses silent. He didn't say a word. He finished speaking, they turned around and left, got into the car and drove away. That was when I went to look at the license plate and there wasn't one. That's when all of this happened. What's so remarkable to me is that they know all these personal details about you, your family or address, hours after you see this event. And we're talking about 1996. So this is really before the internet, before large databases in the U.S. let alone a small town in Brazil. So have you speculated about that and thought about how did he get that information? Let's correct this story, it wasn't hours later. It was minutes later. It was minutes. 10, 15 minutes, 10, 15, 20 minutes at most. So how does he know you are? This question you're asking me is the same question I've been asking myself for 30 years. That same question, I've asked myself for 30 years, how? Because that was one of the things that terrified me the most. So much so that when I went back to São Paulo and gave this interview to called the Corvo, this ufologist nine months later, I deeply regretted it because my life turned it to hell. At the time in Brazil, all phones were landlines. Cell phones didn't really exist. They looked like war radios, you know? Can you read me over that kind of thing? The technology was very basic, just starting out. 99.99% of the population had landline phones. They had the rotary dials for you to dial the numbers to make a call. And I started to notice that every time I picked up the phone to talk, there was someone on the other end listening. Because when what cloud they released aired on global when it leaked, you could tell I even changed phone numbers and it didn't make a difference. It really started to irritate me and my company inspection started showing up. Audits, tax checks, things like that. You know, when it feels like someone is looking for something wrong, where there isn't anything, in other words, looking for the smallest excuse to shut you down. But those inspections lasted days, normally they'd last hours, but these went on for days. And in front of my company, unmarked cars would show up. Cars without identification, fake plates, or no plates at all. They'd just sit there watching, watching. When you walk toward them, they'd start the car and leave. They never said anything. And no, I was never threatened with death later. That's a lie. Nobody ever threatened me with death. But you could feel the pressure, like they were saying, if you keep talking, things are going to get ugly. Something serious is going to happen to you. So you were kind of harassed and intimidated. Do you think about. these men and black characters ten to fifteen minutes after so remarkable to me i take back what i said it's not only unlikely it's impossible that they can know that information in that amount of time do you ever think that maybe they were not human themselves or they were somehow protecting or in coordination with the beings that came down in the ship and crash i believe i know just as much as you do okay it was just as surprising to me as it is to you and as i've already said before i asked myself this question thousands of times how did they get that information so quickly i came up with a hypothesis that it might have been through my car's license plate at the time radios were very common right and through radio communication they may have gathered some information and started passing it along to those people that could be it now listen i'm not saying that's what happened i'm just raising a hypothesis because that was also one of the things that scared me the most at the time because the crash itself to me had been just a normal crash of an object i saw something that at that moment i thought was a government experiment something i wasn't supposed to see but when they arrived so quickly that's when i thought my god what is this that was truly frightening and the most interesting part is that after all that process with globe wind everything being threatened and all that my wife turned to me and said look shut up don't talk about this anymore disappear so i disappeared i changed my phone number moved houses later i returned to the same place where i lived today but at the time i moved into my father's house my father who has since passed away had moved to the beach i moved into his house you see and basically erased my trail and what's interesting is that the current researcher moxleyau one day i'm at home calm and relaxed when my phone rings excuse me is this mr. qahus and i thought who wants to talk to him he burned once afraid of cold water who wants to talk to him no please don't hang up my name is moxleyau i'm a u-fologist and i'd like to talk to you about the vagina case the reason i accepted after 26 years actually 25 years this first contact happened about a year or two earlier was because a week earlier i'd gone to a birthday party for one of my wife's cousins and i don't know where they got it from but they brought this story back up and started making fun of me some of them had been drinking a bit too much and you know drunk people have no filter they started crossing the line that made me really angry i told him i said i'll prove it to you haven't cursed at him at the time used a swear word i said i'll prove to you that i'm not a liar i never lied i never gained anything from this and i won't lie now one day i'll prove it to you i'll have the proof and then sure enough mox called me the following week so i killed two birds with one stone i thought okay this is the moment to speak up do you know james i didn't even know james existed i had no idea who james was nothing to be very honest my life was fine just the way it was so so i uh went to the house of a friend of marcus in a neighborhood called morumbi in sampaulo inside a very small apartment we recorded the interview i told my story he said look let's verify this i said yeah that's fine then he said wow your account is exactly the same as the one you gave 25 years ago identical not a single detail is changed i said guys i'm just telling you what i saw i don't need to lie all right okay thank you when we finished recording he tried to give me some money i told him no thank you i don't want it no i really don't want it i'm not here for money i don't need it seriously i don't need it i said do me a favor just one thing take that money and donate it to a charity that needs it because i don't need to live off this yeah you have my word so i told him go donate it he said but i said donate it he said all right so after that i turned my back about a year later he told me that there was a filmmaker a well-known American documentary filmmaker who was coming to Brazil and wanted to meet me he said his name was James Fox i asked who was James Fox he said in the United States he's very well known you don't know him i said sorry man but i honestly have no idea then he James asked me if i would agree to tell my story in the documentary i said all right and then but i made it clear i don't want to earn anything i never wanted to make money from this story i never made a single cent from it nothing because i believe the truth has to be told spoken as truth you shouldn't take advantage of others it's absurd when people have a story and exploit it charging appearance fees and things like that i mean sorry for the word but that's bad character people who take advantage of others in any situation you have to be an honest upright person with integrity one of the things i admire most about James today after getting to know him and i even say he's like a brother to me i have a special affection for him is his posture the kind of human being he is he's an upright person someone i truly admire as a human being because he's honest in what he says he only seeks the truth i've never seen him hide a lie he's the kind of guy that if you're lying he'll tell you straight to your face look man this story doesn't add up this is a lie he'll say it what is your family think now they were so skeptical you know just five six years ago they're making fun of you at this party now that you've been documented thoroughly by James Fox and two moment of contact movies what do they say to you now what's interesting is that my own brother he's American he's a US citizen he's married to an American woman has American children and has lived here for over 30 years okay and when he found out he said man you never told me anything i told him this is my story nobody needs to know because being humiliated being called oh you're the brother of the guy who saw the alien did you see the little alien too i didn't want that kind of ridicule for him or for my family so i kept it to myself that's why at that moment when i took James to the crash site for me it was like imagine a damn bursting a mix of emotions all those years with everything trapped inside you unable to talk about it not telling anyone not even family always hiding and you think damn am i going to have to humiliate myself all over again am i going to go through everything i went through back then i didn't want that for my family especially not my family because when you truly love someone you don't want anything bad to happen to them at all that's why with my older daughter and my younger daughter i always hid many things from them so they wouldn't suffer bullying at school kids making fun of this kind of thing like i always say hit me hurt me even kill me if you have to but don't mess with the people i love they're not to blame if i made some mistake take it out on me not on them protect them how how are you emotionally affected after the original experience and then the sort of men and black experience and then you're getting harassed you have to start to think in your head there's something and then all of a sudden you you get corroboration that these three you know girls see a being five six days later in town you make this connection that this might not be from here it might be ET it might be a non-human entity as soon as you start to make that connection how does that impact you emotionally and as far as your world view after what happened for me when everything came together when everything clicked that's when i truly realized what had happened and what hadn't it changed a lot inside me truly why because the idea that we are alone in the universe was never hard for me to accept in billions zillions of planets for us to be the only ones with life would be like looking at your own building. button and saying, "I'm the only being that exists on planet Earth." In other words, that's impossible. Our universe is enormous. Advanced intelligence is exist. For me, today, the question is no longer whether extraterrestrial life exists. That question is minimal. The real question is, who are they? And what are their intentions? That's the big question. What do you think? I have one contribution when you're ready. Good. I firmly believe, okay, that I don't want to go on too long, but I believe we are a biological experiment created by evolved entities, putting religions aside, everything aside. I don't want conflict with any religion, because I believe in all religions, and at the same time, I believe in none. I believe in the essence of religions, not in church labels or institutions. Makes sense. His brother lived not far from where I am. I think New York or New Jersey or something. So I said, "Hey, man, your door is open. I'd love to have you out there. You can stay with me. Put you up in my barn. You can watch the editing process. Mark O'Lay, I was there. Until he took us up on us, and we invited him to stay with us for a couple of weeks, which he did. And we went high-key. We went out to eat, we had a lot of time. We were working every day as well. And in the edit room, I was going through the interview with military ex at the time. Military ex wasn't disguised when he was looking at it. And military ex, I asked military ex some questions, and he's like, he's like, "Everything that happened at Virginia started at Meyer Lee farm." And he watched that, and he had tears pouring down his face, because he was just like, "This weight off his shoulders." Yeah, and I got to witness that as he saw it. It was like, "I've been telling you, you could look like I've been telling you." Well, it sounds like this has been a process of constant vindication over time, because you see this thing, you think it's some sort of, you know, aircraft or blimp. And then you have this weird foil, aluminum foil-like material. Then you have this kind of very bizarre men and black experience where they seem to know all your personal details. Then you hear about the girls seeing the being in town. Then you have, you know, military ex, you know, this witness, key witness involved in the transport of the being talking about how, you know, it all started around Meyer Lee farm, which is where you saw the crash. And then you have all these tests being done on the local soil and on the, you know, the tree and stuff. And so, data point after data point after data point continues to corroborate your initial experience. Has there been anything that's come out that has made you doubt the experience? No, nothing at all. Today, ever since everything clicked for me, I have no doubts, none, no doubts whatsoever. I'm absolutely certain it was an extraterrestrial object. I saw the crash. I witnessed it. And I say this, I swear it on a Bible. I swear it on anything you want. If I'm lying, I'll do whatever you want with whoever you want. And your test, I swear to it. And your testimony today, your testimony a few years ago with James and your testimony, you know, at this point, 30 years ago, pretty much the same every single time. Yes, because it's the truth. I can't, I can't invent something. I didn't see. I'm telling what I saw. And that doesn't change. If you witness a fact today, that same fact will still be the same 100 years from now. It doesn't change. And one of the things that caught my attention the most in all of this happened right after James's first documentary aired. Maybe later he can even confirm this. The crash site went 26 years without anyone touching it. Just as I saw the crash, James even commented that the vegetation grew differently. The tree was still there, burned, completely burned, just as it had been. And the vegetation in the burned area clearly showed that the soil was different. You know, and here's what's interesting when the documentary came out. A person from Europe, a businessman called me and said he wanted to meet me and was curious to visit the site. And that he would pay me. I said the same thing as always. Look, I don't want to make any money. Take that money and donate it. If you want to go, I'll take you no problem. I've got time. Just pay for my gas so I can get there. It's another state. You cover the hotel, those things. Just pay my food and gas and that's it. I'll take you there and show you. When I got there with this man, we met up in Vagina. And he said, "Shall we go there? Let's go." Let me tell you, I was shocked. I sat down. I didn't know whether to cry, laugh, or panic. I even made a remark to James. James went there shortly after that. They had done land grading. Literally, there must have been around seven or eight meters of earth piled there before. It was almost completely flat. Yeah, James was there. They said, "We're going to plant soybeans here." They planted soybeans. What they spent to remove that amount of earth, just to plant soybeans, makes no sense. They would have to plant soy there for a thousand years just to make a profit. Now listen, for me, me personally, what I believe that happened. At the time of the crash, someone must have gone to them and said, "Get rid of all this." They didn't. Like a typical Brazilian response. No, do it later. It's fine. That thing we call the Brazilian way. It's terrible. We always leave things for later until the very last moment. That's one of our traits. In this case, I'm grateful for the little Brazilian way, because maybe that means we can get more of a smoking gun than something happened. James, have you ever thought of bringing a Geiger counter, looking for levels of radiation, or metal detectors, or you could do a grab a tomater, anything like that? I have a friend who's quasi-professional with a metal detector, and we went out there for a day or two. We did it in the evening. It was so hot during the day time. He looked at me and he's like, "Man, this whole area has been all upturned. It's going to change." When we flew our drone over it, when we were first meeting with him after 26 years out of the site, you could clearly see from the air a visible difference in the soil. Like just from. Oh, that's obvious. So obvious. And then it's changed since then. They bulldozed it or something. They've shifted stuff all around. My friend said, "Dude, I would need. This is a job." And after a couple of days, he goes, "I would need probably several months out here." We didn't have that time. I think it's something that should be done. And also another comment by the forensic pathologist Dr. Armando. He said, "Perhaps we could do some soil samples and bring soil samples and we could take a close look." Because he thinks that anything left behind would have been macro particles, but they could possibly do. So I'd probably go out there with a geologist and find out where are the best areas of runoff, animal mounds, ant mounds, areas where this debris would most likely end up after 30 years. Yeah. And gather those samples and get them out of us. I think another good idea is there's ground penetrating radar. Are the things that penetrate even more deeply than a metal detector. You might want to speak to Brandon Fugel or people who are dealing with what they think of as exotic underground objects and how they're. And honestly, I'll do that as soon as humanly possible because we're going to be amplifying the story and so that the antibodies might come out. Carlos, this experience must have been so profound. And I imagine it's impacted you really, really deeply. Have you ever gotten a hypnotic regression to recall vividly what might have happened? Yes, I did. I did it at the beach with a friend. A person we call saga. Well, he says, at least he told me, that he's one of the specialists in Brazil who does regression hypnosis. And he showed me some things that left me kind of. shocked. If I told you, "Oh, do you remember what you said?" No, he showed me the video, okay? And that really shook me. What he showed me. What did you say? Well, according to what's recorded there, it says that I had a mental contact with the creature. I don't remember that. If I said I do, that would be a lie, okay? And if you ask, "Oh, do you remember it?" No, that would be a lie. I only saw it in the recording he made, but I can't confirm it myself. I can't say, "Yes, I remember, I only talk about what I actually remember. in that hypnosis. He says I became very distressed, very worried. It even happened at the beach. We were there, relaxed. And he said, "Let's do the hypnosis, the regression." And he got scared. This saga guy got scared so much so that he suggested, "Let's write a book." And I said, "No, no, no, forget it, erase this, wipe it out, I don't want to know about this. I don't want to make money, I don't want anything from this." What was the nature of the mental connection and was anything transmitted? Was anything said between the being and yourself? According to what's recorded there, this part is erased for me. I don't remember it, okay? I'm only going to report what's on the recording. It says that I was desperate trying to get closer and the creature was speaking mentally, saying, "Come down, everything is fine. Go away, it's dangerous for you here. Don't come closer. Go away. Stay calm. We're fine. Stay calm. You can go. We just want to thank you for your concern. Thank you for worrying, but we're fine. Stay calm. We'll talk, but stay calm. Stay calm. We're fine. Be it ease, we're fine." And I said, "Please, I want to help. No, calm down, calm down." That's what's recorded there. Do you remember this? No, I don't remember it. And don't worry because I'll make this very clear to the audience. This is the more speculative part that you're admitting you're not sure of and this is, it's a modality that a lot of memories when it comes to traumatic or very anomalous events get fractured and this is a real modality that helps you retrieve real memories in many cases. So we're taking this maybe with more of a grain of salt than the rest of your testimony, but I do think it's important also if we're trying to get a little deeper into what might have happened, you have to hold it loosely, but I do think you have to view it as data. So you mentioned that the beings said they wiped your memory. Is that true? They said that they didn't want you to remember what had happened. According to what was recorded there, they told me that I would never remember that it would be very dangerous for me. They didn't want me to remember and they would do everything to make sure I wouldn't. Is there anything else you said about the communication between you and the beings in that recording? No. No, what I remember is only that, okay? Then I started getting very agitated in the recording and started crying, getting extremely agitated about everything. Suddenly, he himself stopped it and said, "No, calm down." I mean, my heart was racing. I was, you know, really worked up. He said calm down and he brought me back, ended it. The regression, the hypnosis, right? He stopped it there. After that, he told me this was one of the, these are Dr. Soggers' words. That this was one of the most impressive experiences he had ever seen in his life. And this hypnotist had no experience with people who've had alien visitations or abduction experiences or anything like that. I don't know. I really don't know how to tell you. I met him on the day of the first screening of James's film. We went to Surokaba, which is a city in the state of Sampaolo, it's called Surokaba, where the documentary premiered and that person was there and that's where I met him. There was also another doctor there who wanted to do hypnosis with me, but I tried to schedule it with her and she was always unavailable, busy, traveling. Then Soggers came and said, "Come on, let me do it. I'm just as much a specialist as she is." I said, "All right." And he did the regression with me. After that, I never wanted to do it again and I don't want to. The experience was horrible. I felt very bad afterward. Really bad. I don't want it. Please, I kept saying no, no, no, please. I don't want this. I felt terrible afterward. I can't explain the feeling it gave me. I interview many experiences, some of whom retrieve more about their experiences through hypnotic regression and they always say the same as you. They say, "We can't say that part for sure is true. We know what we experienced in our waking reality and then some of these other things might have happened as well." But it's interesting, the one common thing that they all say is their heart speeds up in certain case, one of them went into a fibrillation because he was re-experiencing the beings. So it seems to be this traumatic thing that we repress and that often comes out. I guess point blank, my question to you would be, in your hardest of hearts, do you think what came out in that hypnotic regression is real and that maybe you did achieve some sort of mental contact with the beings? If you had to guess and we're all giving you the grace to know that you're speculating here and that you're being very honest about the line between what you experienced in waking reality and what's coming out through this more speculative technique. I believe it because I saw the tape, the recording. If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't believe it. Simple as that. If someone came to me today and said, "Hey, do it again." I'd say, "No, sorry, I won't. I refuse because I felt really bad afterward." And from the recording, it's impressive. Looks like my chest was about to explode. You could see my chest moving like this. It was something anguishing. Seeing myself afterward, after I had calmed down and all that, watching that footage of myself was very impactful. I thought, "Wow, I could have had a massive heart attack right there." It was very, very intense. So I, I believe it because I saw the recording he made. He has it all recorded. But if you ask me, do you believe it consciously? No. I don't have that conscious memory. What I don't have conscious awareness of, I don't fully believe. I'm very, how can I put it? Like St. Thomas, I have to see it to believe it. I'm very grounded. I don't like make believe or little stories like, "Oh, I saw this. I saw that, just stories. I'm much more about reality. Did the event happen? It did. I report the event period. I think honesty and sincerity come above everything else. Unfortunately, you follow the world wide, not just in Brazil. I mean, worldwide, is often discredited. Why? Because people invent too many little stories, you know? And people just believe them. Many times when you start talking to these people, you realize the stories make no sense at all. They can't explain anything. They say they saw something and later they didn't. And it becomes absurd. And that's why I'm very skeptical in that regard. Final question, Carlos. You are a geography teacher and you're an ultra light pilot. How has this experienced changed? You know, your teaching of geography knowing that we are not possibly the only map with habitable universe. And then when you fly, do you ever wonder if you're going to encounter the UFOs again? First of all, as a teacher, which is something I truly love being, it's a profession I genuinely love, teaching, sharing knowledge. It's a unique experience. And what happened, well, to this day, my students never knew about this story. Only after James did some of them start to find out, but about 90% still don't know. They can't connect the dots. They can't link their teacher, Carlos, to that story, right? And honestly, that's a good thing. As a person, I believe this difficulty exists all over the world. People are very religious, many believe deeply in religion. And religions often deny the existence of other forms of life, believing they are the only beings in the galaxy. So many times I hold back. I don't talk about it. I don't comment to avoid arguments and controversy, because then parents complain to the school principal. Oh, he's talking about extraterrestrials. That doesn't exist. My priest said this. My pastor said that. And so on, so on. That's complicated. So professionally, as a professional, I avoid that kind of topic. As a professional in the classroom, I'm Professor Carlos, a geography teacher. I'm there to explain geopolitics, geoeconomics, geophysics, in other words, to teach geography and give my best as a professional to my students. Now, as a pilot, of course, I hope that one day I might encounter something like that again. Sometimes I even think if I saw an object like the Phoenix lights in the United States, that triangle shape, and I were flying, I'd go to ward it. That's a fact. But wouldn't you be afraid? No. I even joked about this with James once. I said, James, if you encountered a craft and they said, come with us. What would you do? He said, no, I have a young child. I laughed and said, oh, no, I'd go without a problem. Because something really I don't know. Changed. You know, the world. I don't believe they're here with bad intentions, because if they were, they would have taken over a long time ago. Just imagine, as a human being, that there are beings capable of crossing the universe with technology to travel cross space. Do you really think we, as mere humans, would have any way to fight them? If they wanted to invade us, they would have done it long ago. So the only thing I can believe is that they're here to help us. And of course, we hope that's the case. That's it. There's nothing more to say. As a pilot, I'd love to meet them. As a teacher, I keep things separate. For children, teenagers, young people, adults, so things don't get confused. Professionally speaking, I've spent 23 years in the classroom, in schools. And I was also an entrepreneur for 25 years, so I can't mix things up. What I believe, what I know, what I saw, I don't have the right to impose that on anyone else. I don't have that right. No one does. You have free will to believe whatever you want. For you to be free. If you believe, great. If you don't, that's fine too. I respect you as a human being, as a person. And I always will. Carlos, it's been an honor. I really appreciate your testimony. The level of descriptiveness and detail with which you recall, an event that happened 30 years ago is absolutely remarkable. And I just find you to be a very kind of candid, honest person. I don't sense any sort of deception from you. And you seem like a very deep and spiritual person as well. And like you mentioned, Thomas, who wants to know, I can tell that you have that same streak in you and you're a gnostic kind of meaning seeker. And I pray that you keep going on your path and that you get the truth that you want. I'm very grateful, truly. I only have thanks to give to you, to human beings like you, like James, who might deeply respect. Serious people, people like Valkyria, Ryliania, or other sister, all the girls, people who really lived through this. I'm only grateful, okay? Honest, good human beings like these who crossed my path. Are there any key details we missed here that are worth retelling? The only thing I would add is I'd like an explanation for wife for 26 years, not a single straw was removed from that place. Then after 26 years, James's documentary comes out and they go there and remove more than 30 meters of earth. I don't understand that. If they have nothing to hide, why do that? That's all. Other than that, everything's fine. That's it. If you ever need anything, I make myself available at any time, really, if you need me, to anyone, anywhere in the world. The only thing I ask is please cover my lodging and food. I'm still human. I eat, drink, sleep, like anyone else. I'm always willing to go anywhere, to report what I saw with the utmost sincerity. You deserve that and so much more. And yeah, it's funny. Renovations, 26 years later, doesn't make a lot of sense. But I appreciate you being here, Carlos. It's been an absolute honor and thank you for coming to Austin, Texas and I hope we could be in touch. No, thank you. As they say, Namaste. Namaste, too. It happened to me in the woods. I was hiking solo. New year, no phone, no gear. I was just trying to find myself. That's when I saw it, something glowing, silent, descending through the trees, a UFO, and stepping out from it wasn't an alien or an android. It was me, but better. Same face, same great hair. But something was different. This guy had perfect posture. He was wearing the perfect gene. And they start at just $79, six fits, sizes for every thigh on this timeline and beyond. Now, 2026 me. Where's the perfect genes? They don't crush my thighs or my dreams. They're soft, but dangerous. For a limited time, our listeners get 15% off their first order plus free shipping at the perfect gene dot NYC or just Google the perfect gene and use code Jesse 15 for 15% off. That's 15% off for new customers at the perfect gene dot NYC with promo code Jesse 15. After you purchase, they'll ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them we sent you your khakis and get the perfect gene. We received an unexpected request for a meeting from the chief neurosurgeon at hospital Regional. The doctor requested the team enter by the more inconspicuous back entry. No one knew why. Vegas were the alien brought to the regional hospital. So it went to regional hospital and then it went to Humanitas, Humanitas, ESA, ESA, Campinas, Campinas, America. If you feel me, you have to wear a mask and James and I are going to wear this. So let's talk about the context, right? Yes. Dr. Italo Venturelli, the head neurosurgeon at Hospital Regional, was on duty in the ICU when he had the most extraordinary encounter of his life. So say when you approach the hospital, you say, is this the hospital where the ETU is treated? And they're like, yes, come inside. You walk into the reception. Oh, yeah, he's brought around the back. Somebody's still working here that was there that night. I mean, it's, how do you hide the truth right out in the open? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it seems like it's not even disputed at the administrative basic routine level, which is where you expect the bureaucracy to be told, hey, just keep your mouth shut. And in this case, they're all just like, yeah, this is where we treated the ET. And there's a plaque. What does the plaque say? I don't get the literal translation, but this is the path of the ET came here to the hotel on January 20th. I do not know if it's that. Came here to this hospital. It's not hospital, but it's a, yeah, regional. Yeah, it's right out front. I got a photograph of it. I can give it to you. That is wild. I'd love to see the photograph. I'll say it to you. Show it. So I'm here with in my mind, maybe the most significant witness when it comes to seeing UFOs, ET beings, beings from what seem to be another world in the entire world. And the reason I say that is because of your background, your pedigree, your a neurosurgeon, people depend on you to operate on their brains. You manage a chain of three hospitals who cannot operate without you. And because you spent four to five minutes in your own estimation, face to face with one of these entities. And so it is an absolute honor to be with you today. And I can't thank James Fox enough for getting you, Dr. Armando Carlos disobeys up all to the U.S. This is a dream come true for me. So thank you for being here. Thank you for inviting me. I'm a very simple person raised in a very modest manner. I had the opportunity to occasionally help those hospitals. I had excellent teachers, including some that were American, like Dr. Huckton, and many wonderful neurosurgeons, both from my country and my hometown, and it's a pleasure to be here with you. But I'm just a simple person who had the privilege by chance of seeing a very different kind of being. So just for everybody in the audience's sake, I would like to know your name and your background, both educational background and professional background. My name is Ithalu Denelio Venturelli. I was born in Sao Paulo. I studied in Sao Paulo at the Pozo Allegres School. I did my residency in Sao Paulo. And I've been in Minas Gerais since 1983 in the city of Vagia. The place where I arrived already had a very well-established neurosurgery service, run by Dr. Tassiro and Dr. Domingo Stoledo. And I was part of it. They already had a whole service set up, which allowed me to develop many skills I already possessed. And they taught me a lot there. So lots of surgeries. It's a hospital. Before January 1996, did you have any interest in aliens, ET's, UFOs, anything like that? No. I'm a neurosurgeon, and we work for the public health system. So we spend most of our time in the operating room. So I really didn't have any such interest. I did travel to Egypt on an excursion through a course called Ravida in Sao Paulo. But I had no previous knowledge. Only later did I try to understand what happened at that moment. And you managed three hospitals, is that correct? In the past, yes, but no longer. I was the financial director of some and the technical director of others. The people watching should also be aware you just came off of a 48 hour shift. So it makes me even more grateful that you're here. I want to get into the core details. So what happened January 1996, if you could walk me through it in as much detail as possible, just play by play moment by moment? I had operated on a child whose name was Eric. 1996. He had cruise on syndrome and a cranial stenosis. Cruise on is a surgery that has to be done on the skull and the face. We did the cranial part. I operated on that child and went to my office nearby. I went on foot. I went to my office to write prescriptions, prepare reports, and worried about Eric. The whole time, I didn't lose sight of him. When I returned, after the hospital closed, I went in through the corner where cars couldn't enter and a reporter from a very large company in Brazil called Hege Globo. Asked me, did you operate on the ET? I don't know what she's talking about. There was no social media at the time. I thought they were talking about the boy, because he was different. I didn't even finish the sentence. I just said, that's no way to speak of someone. So I moved on. I went into the hospital. When I entered the hospital, we had a younger colleague called Machu's Vinicius, a younger neurosurgeon, who every time we had surgery to perform, would ask for certain instructions, as he was very young, where to open, draw, draw here, don't go away, sit down, have a rest. But that day, he called me to an adjacent room and said, look what I did. He showed me a large camera with what seemed to be a small calculator right next to it. I looked and didn't understand what it was. For a moment, it looked like another case of cruise on syndrome. It was a child. It looked like one. But I asked him, what is this? He said, it's here. He came over, there was a screen, a cover, right? I looked, got closer, and it was there. There was a being there, totally different from a human being. He wasn't an adult. He was like a seven-year-old child, covered, here, the hand inside, here, the hand outside. Very calm, at ease. The skull looked like a drop. The eyes also looked like two drops. Lilac, not red, white skin, no foul smell. At first glance, it looked like Casper, the friendly ghost, you know, from the cartoon. Looked like him. But I looked and the being looked at me very calmly, very peacefully. He looked out the window. He looked back at me. Very calm, and I even asked my colleague, and he said, what do you think? And we approach it as doctors. If there's bleeding, pain, agitation, if breathing is normal, if there's need for emergency care, so I said, okay, once again, what do you think? I looked again. It's not bleeding, it's not in pain, it's breathing normally, no problem, everything's fine. The being looked at me, as I always say, it looked at me with a very beautiful look. Not a judgmental look, not a look of fear. It had the look of someone who understands very well what is going on. But it was a different person, a different being. It wasn't human at all. It wasn't a case of human anomalies. It was a different being. I've been dealing with humans for 46 years, but back then, about 30 years ago, we knew how to tell when it was or wasn't a human. It looked at me with a very beautiful gaze that left a lasting impression. I usually say that from then on, it feels like you turn into a different person. And at a certain moment, having a conversation with James and the boys, they asked me what I thought. I said, it was a very beautiful look. It moved me. I said, it looked like an angel looking at us, very much so, that kind of look, very understanding, very calm, very tranquil. Like it's saying, I've known you for a long time, don't worry. I know you took care of me, but everything's fine. I'm back to normal. This colleague had the video. He showed it to several people. Many people watched this video at his house, on his computer. And then James and the others were there looking for the tape. Where's the tape? Where's the tape? I mean, if you saw the tape, it's wonderful. It's short, but it's a different kind of being. It's a being that changes the history of humanity. Because it's the first time we're seeing a different kind of being there, live. But I don't have that tape. I told James that if I had that tape, I would need to be on duty until today. I wouldn't need to be working as much as I do. And on and on about the tape. And then I said, I don't have the tape. He's already dead, but I saw it. As soon as I said that I'd seen it, James started breathing down my neck, everyone pressing me, describe it, describe it. And I described it a little differently from what people saw. Some people said they saw a green being, others a brown being, red eyes, protuberances. I saw a calmer being, I didn't see all that. I don't know if they had already cleaned him up at the hospital. I don't know the answer. That's just what I think. And very calm. And then we managed to get into the hospital for a bit. And I apologized to the hospital management. I should have informed them that we had entered the hospital where it was. After that, we didn't go in anymore. And from then on, James and everyone else started pulling up the story, unraveling the thread, gathering various testimonies from people who also saw it. The big problem is that when you talk about this, it's difficult for many people to believe you. Me too, if someone told me, I'd say, "Yeah, maybe." But I can assure you, and especially the younger generation, who comes after us, that I did see it. I was there. I mean, there are more things than our Earth, than this planet of ours, than these wonders of ours. There are even more wonders, you see? And what they ask me about is gaze. What I convey is that it was a very calm, very peaceful gaze, which I think we really need all over the world. So in January, 1996, you operated on a child. And then you were asked about that. And so you didn't know about the ET being when you were asked about that. And then you walked into the hospital, and you were assigned to look at the being by Marcos Venesis, your colleague, or how did you just pass by the room, or. No, he happens to be my friend. I was on my way to the pediatric department. Did he want to show you this being specifically? He said, "I want you to see this." That's right. That's right. Come see what I've done. Did you heard any sort of whispers around the hospital that this being was there? No. No. time you just you just walked in you had no context and you just see this being I only realized that the hospital was completely closed down right I went in because I had been the director there very well known. Wow and so you see the being what's your emotion like when you see what it looks like how do you process what it looks like how does that sort of sit with you immediately when you see you know this figure that presumably is like something you've never seen before in the corridor when he said come see what I've done whenever someone says that to us who have been doctors for years we automatically think it's an emergency and when I went and saw the tape and saw the being there was a mixture of surprise and relief because the being was all right it wasn't a medical emergency when we're called it's to do a suture to operate to intubate it was fine and like I always say when I'm asked what did I think I could examine carefully it's conscious it's not in pain it's not bleeding breathing normally it's not an emergency you can think about it carefully. What did Marco Spinesis tell you about the being when he shows it to you did he give you any context he said I performed a procedure from what I saw on the tape there was a little basin like this an amesis basin and a needle holder he probably gave stitches it wasn't a big surgery it was a small procedure on the tape because when I looked at the being there was none of that anymore he was just lying there with a surgical drape one hand in and the other out like this nothing here it's peaceful the bed positioned upright like we do for neurological patients they don't lie down completely otherwise the patient might vomit the patient stays more upright and it's very very comfortable and it looked at me in such a beautiful way I always say that you asked me what impression I had to me he was okay he didn't need us and had a very beautiful gaze right look without judgment physical characteristics you've described this before but what exactly did this being look like human I mean humanoid right he had arms he had a chest house wife asked if he had nipples I didn't see nipples I didn't see a nipple lying there like that neck very small mouth the eyes like this is if they were drops like that lilac lilac just like Elizabeth Taylor's eyes I'd heard about it so when I saw it I was like whoa Liz Taylor was probably an extraterrestrial right so the eyes the skull in that way that teardrop shape right and very peaceful there was no suffering there no suffering at all there was no bad smell no odor no nervousness nothing diabolical a very angelic kind of being totally at peace how tall was the being like a seven year old child yes seven do you have any sense of the weight I don't know a child of about seven years old lying down I didn't see here you know I didn't see down there it was covered you know what was the nature of the surgery that was done on this being I think he only gave a few stitches but I'm guessing right I didn't see him stitch it up he must have stitched it up a few times because the surgical instruments in the video were very small he didn't have a surgical kit he didn't have many open tools neurosurgery is all about boxes and boxes of open tools just like formula one you know did you ever ask Marco Svinesis how did you know how to perform surgery on this being were the organs similar to he already he knew how to do that he'd been working with us for about two or three years but that's not much time for neurosurgery right takes about fifteen years for a neurosurgeon to mature to gain the experience to do things like you guys here you must have a lot of experience to be doing this whole podcast right he knew what he was doing he wanted confirmation being young and it was something so different he wanted confirmation he wanted to share it with someone and since I was the one close to him that day because he shared this with other colleagues other very experienced colleagues but what the mean was that that sees doctors trained in Belly's lunch and many that were more experienced than me but on that day I was the one there so it's almost like he wanted you to review his work and just make sure that he had done the right thing yes yes did he take anything out of the head or it was just what was the purpose of the surgery I think was only to give some stitches from the instruments I saw on the table that I saw in the video because when I went to look there was nothing there anymore it was covered up it had already happened that's why he said come see what I've done okay so it was not necessarily surgically removing anything it was just repairing okay yes to repair that makes sense because if you have something that's physiologically very different than a human being if you had to do something more intricate or complex on the organ itself if it wasn't something you were familiar with that would be much harder obviously did you learn anything else about the physiology of this being whether they had the same reproductive organs as human beings where their bone structures I can't say because from here down I couldn't see anything it was covered up there was definitely a bone structure because there was an arm a forearm a hand and an imposible thumb as it's called and three fingers here when you're looking at it in the eyes and do you feel like time is slowing or do you feel any other sort of special interesting sensations what you just said is true time slows down it really does slow down because he didn't talk to me you didn't speak to me but the feeling was as I'm describing to you that he understood what was happening he wasn't afraid he was highly intelligent at least more than I was it's like talking to a child you're talking to the child the child gives you something you say thank you it's okay you can relax he talked to me as if I were a child and what were the words that were transpiring was it first of all was it verbal was it telepathic like everything's all right I can't say it's telepathic I have no knowledge of you know parapsychology I could ask about this a lot but that was the feeling I had the feeling that everything was all right especially because of that gaze you also have a very calm gaze so it was very gentle very understanding like I understand what you've done for me here thank you but I got to get going I understand everything's fine and he kept looking out the window I think maybe to see his surroundings perhaps to see if he could locate where he was to situate himself he wasn't locked up he wasn't restrained people always ask me if he was tied up of course not he was free if you had to guess how many witnesses at the hospital saw this being many people say they saw it nurses the radiology technician says he saw closed box but as I'm telling you it's difficult to talk about this subject people say we're crazy there's this thing about neurosurgeons being crazy missing with the human brain right but it's difficult to talk about it many people ridicule us so did you operate on ET was it hard marcos vanesis your friend operated on the being he passed away in 2018 between 1996 and 2018 did you ever have heart-to-heart conversations with him like marcos oh my god we've experienced something profound and talk about you know speculate what was this being what were his intentions with us at his house he would show that video to all his relatives all of them there was a sofa we'd go in there was a computer this little table and we'd sit here and he'd show us then he'd say did you see this here now he never talked to me about the military never he never talked to me about any pressure he was afraid perhaps to talk about it and we were afraid even today of losing our jobs of the government taking away our own medical licenses of questioning us and you lose your medical license because it's your source of income, where doctors are whole lives, it's our livelihood. So you talk, but with some reservation, as if you were a patient, you can't go around saying, "I operated on this patient," he had HIV, or he had this disease, I can't say any of that. If someone overhears that, I can be sued. So it was a very private conversation where you speak, but you don't, you know. In America, we have something called HIPAA, which is what you're saying, patient confidentiality. Having said that, when the nature of reality is on the line, I think what you're doing is exactly right and correct. So let me ask you a little bit more about the physical attributes. Is there anything else worth noting about the blood, the texture of the skin, any other physical attributes, if the texture resembled ours? I can't say if it was soft or not, because I didn't touch it, because I had just come in from the street, and we have medical training that teaches us that when you enter the hospital, if you don't wash your hands, a nurse will already note it down, explaining to others, such and such went in, didn't wash his hands, didn't put on his cap, didn't put on his gown, and the hospital management, then they put it there. The doctor went in and didn't wash his hands, the doctor went in and didn't wash his hands, the doctor went in, didn't put on a mask, the doctor went in, you understand? So I hadn't, I had just walked in. I wasn't in the operating room, I wasn't in surgical scrubs, I was wearing my street clothes, just looking. So I didn't touch it, and I approached it like this, I didn't get that close about a meter like the distance between us here. But you could see perfectly that there was no smell, he was very clean, very calm, I didn't see any blood, I didn't see any blood stains on the bed. Were they taking his biomarkers? So oxygen level, heart rate, those sorts of things, was he being monitored for? No, no, no, it wasn't being monitored at all, because as I'm telling you, it was an improvised location, clean, very clean, because the hospital there is very well maintained, but it wasn't an area used for surgery, it was an area that nowadays is a nice EU. I'm saying he, I'm assuming gender, did you have any sense of the being's gender? Was it male? Was it female? No, no, no, there was none, I can't really say, like I'm telling you, I didn't see nipples, and it had to look like that of a child. Even many times there are children that you, you can't tell, many times by the haircut of their male or female, it didn't have hair or fur. No fur, so I couldn't tell, and in our world, there are earrings, lipstick or some different haircuts to differentiate, but it was a very, very simple being. You mentioned in a past interview with James that the being was like an angel, what makes you say that, and that we have a lot to learn from the being, you said that as well. Yes, we do, because it had a look, I better be careful, I'm going to cry. It's a look of understanding, a kind of paternal and compassionate look, like it's saying, I know what you're doing, but it's alright. It's fine, whatever you did to me, it's over now. Everything's alright. I don't know if they arrested him or if they beat him, I can't say, that's what they say. And a very gentle, very calm look, like going peace, there's hope in your life. Keep moving forward, but that's my interpretation, right? So people wonder and ask, was there any contact, do you have this here, like an angel, really looked like an angel? The kind of being that would forgive your sins, the silly things you did in life are in ability, and we did so little, we could have done perhaps much more for it, right? But it's not that we didn't want to, we didn't know how, especially in '96. We had almost nothing, you know, we had the equipment of that time, we didn't have the monitors we have today, cameras, intercoms, monitors, blood gas analyzers, all those things that allow you to instantly diagnose, collect a blood sample, take an X-ray, you know? Back then, it was what we call proctoscopy, the doctor looked and used the cognitive parameters that we have, right, from so much experience, let's say, our experience. That's why he called me, and I called others many times to him and asked, "What do you think of this?" We talked, the doctors talked a lot in person, because we didn't have social media. I'd tell a story, you'd tell a story, we tried to operate as a team, because everyone would say something different, like, "Be careful with this, I would do it this way, I would do it that way." Nowadays, doctors are very isolated and spend their time with computers and targets, which is fine, but it's a different kind of doctor, a different kind of person. We had the day-to-day experience. I operate with colleagues, "What would you do?" I would go this way, "What would you do now?" "Now I would leave, you know." That's enough. I always say this to the younger ones, "That's enough." So you told Marco Svanises, "You've done a good job, and there's nothing more to do, essentially." You've done a good job, that's it. It's all good. Will you call me if you need anything? I will. Total control. You'd understood what was happening. It's like when you see some children playing. You're an adult. You're watching children play. You're in control. You didn't fall. You weren't hurt. You're calm. You can touch that. You won't get shocked. You're calm. The window was in open. You're aware. They're playing. What was your first instinct when you saw the being, is this being related to humanity in some way, evolutionarily, or do they come from some distant place? Very advanced. First, like I said, that reassuring look, indicating that it wasn't an emergency. Because for those of us who work in hospitals, there's like a button here, emergency. Not red. It wasn't a code red. As you said and mentioned very well, time stops. It stops. It belongs to him. That time was ours. Everything else doesn't exist. Only that moment right there, and it would look at us as if it were saying, there's nothing but this moment, anything else is another reality. And it's really cool to see, since you're asking me and the words keep coming. There's no rush, because the world today is in such a hurry. Someone looks at you, you're already doing something else. We do three or four things practically at the same time, and there's no time to give time the time it needs. You've mentioned a few times in this interview that there was no smell. Many of the other witnesses of the being have said an ammonia or sulfur like smell accompanied this being or the craft crashing odorless. No smell at all. If there was a smell, it was the smell of the hospital. The smell of those products we use in a hospital. There was no bad smell, nothing at all. Do you know what happened to the being? So you see the being, how long were you with the being face to face? Initially about two minutes of looking, looked this way, looked that way, I turned to talk to Moxby and issues, okay, et cetera, et cetera. I looked again, another one, two minutes, about three, four minutes in total. It's like I told James, I'm going to the US, but what I have to say is this, it was those four minutes, but four minutes that felt like an eternity, I was still wondering this morning, we who work in intensive care, we examine a patient and we want to come back the next day to see how they're doing, if they've improved, if they haven't. To this day, I still want to go back there to see if he's left yet. You know what I mean? You get worried. Not all patients, we don't get emotionally attached to everyone, but we do with some, with children, with the elderly, someone you saved, you get attached, you leave and you keep thinking about them, right? Just last night I spent the whole night asking myself about potassium levels and, you know, overthinking. How did you sleep that night that you saw the being? Oh, I didn't grasp the magnitude of everything that had happened. I didn't have the perspective. I didn't. Nowadays I have more of it, because of how much it's talked about, how much people think about it. Nowadays I have a better grasp, like I said about last night over thinking things. It seems like even now recollecting this memory, it's packed with emotion. Were you sad? Were you happy? Or did this excavate some feelings inside of you that you already had? How exactly would you describe the emotional impact of this being? At first, it was a relief. Because when he called me and I saw it, I thought it was an emergency, that we would have to intubate, go into surgery. When I saw that everything was worked out, I felt at ease. After that, a surprise, because you see something different, different being. Then you start thinking like a doctor again. Could there be anything else? Could there be bleeding somewhere? There weren't that many monitors, so you just keep looking. Then you start analyzing. Then you calm down again. And then looking at him, you start to get emotional, because you begin to see not so much the physical aspect, but the emotional aspect, the aspect of consciousness. You start to analyze other things. Consciousness, mood, whether he has the initiative to do things, whether he's mobilizing himself, whether he's afraid, you see other things. And as I said again, it's the look that moves me. A tranquil calm look, I understand everything. I appreciate what you've done here, but it's time to go. Let's go, enough is enough. He would even look up to the sky to get his bearings, because there's a window there without bars or anything. You could see it perfectly. Why do you cry when you recollect the experience? And what emotion comes up inside of you just when you think about it? Because nowadays, doctors are criticized for everything they do. The colleague I mentioned, Moxby Nisus, once we operated on a child. And when I went to talk to the mother, she started scolding me. And he interrupted her, saying, "Mam, he's the surgeon, not the person that ran your child over." He did the surgery. So when someone recognizes your work, it's really great. Because our technical work is difficult. It requires training. But the hardest part for us doctors is enduring everything we see. There's a quote from a famous gentleman from Brazil called "Shuk Shavyev," where he says, "What you tolerate is just as important as what you know." So you can see that it's a form of recognition. It was a being who understood that I was doing my best, despite being limited. It was the best I could do. I was giving my soul. Everything I could do was being done for him. And for me, who was saying, "Forgive me for anything, but everything we know how to do is being done for you." It really is moving. It feels like you're stuck in that room and can never leave. Like a little piece of us stays there. You leave, the robot leaves, a little piece of yourself stays there. You go back there, you know? How did Marcos Vinesis say that it affected him? Oh a lot. He even began smoking more. He'd smoke all day. I would argue with him, and my wife would say, "Stop arguing with him." I'd go in the bathroom and see a bunch of cigarette butts on the floor. Marcos Vinesis is smoking. You're smoking. No, no, it's not me. It's my wife. His wife didn't smoke. So Vinesis would say, "Stop fighting with him." So he took up smoking because of this experience with the being. Did it cause him to stress? No, he already smoked, but then he started chain smoking. One after the other. Why do you think the experience accelerated his smoking? High level of stress, you know? Really high level. Stress? You see, being a doctor is stressful, isn't it? Because wherever you go, you're a doctor. If you crash your car, you're a doctor. If you insulted someone, you're a doctor. If you did this, you're a doctor, right doc? So our lives aren't as simple as people say. We don't earn as much as people say. Our mental work is immense. You have to be polite even when you're tired. You have to, you know? You have to answer even when you're busy. The work of a doctor here in the United States, you have a wonderful medicine. But the work of a doctor on the front lines, the young doctor is tough. You have to learn, you have to see their endless meetings, many sleepless nights. So going back to the question you asked me, when he looked at us, it was already a look of, because otherwise it's just criticism. If you get it right, you've done nothing more than you do, anything you did even slightly different. You know, it's like a fighter. He fights 50 fights, and the one time he didn't defend himself, our Western society, hurts people. The more successful you become, the more criticism you face. You see artists, great artists, great singers. If they forget a piece of the lyric, all hell breaks loose. And how much effort was put into getting an engineer? You guys, even in your own work, if someone says they can't come in because of personal problems, our world is very cruel. And there was no look of cruelty there. There was a look of understanding, a gentle look. You don't come across a look like that. I have a wife who's a wonderful person, and she sees me that way. But most people are critical, critical, critical, critical. And this was moving because it was a maternal look, not even a paternal one. It made you feel good, saying, you're good. You can go ahead. Move forward. Keep going. Don't dwell upon it. Moving forward, a forgiving look, a look of freedom. Keep doing what you're doing. Go, like Jesus would say, go forth and multiply. Be fruitful, you know? Did you ever ask Markos Venesis? What was it like to do surgery on a non-human entity, what could be an alien being? No, he was also very worried, you know? He wanted our approval, so things wouldn't fall on him. Nothing went wrong because I think they took it away. We didn't continue. We didn't see how that procedure went. We don't know if it worked or not. Whether it's alive or dead, they said they brought it to the United States from Area 51, but I don't know if that's just folklore, you know? I don't know if that's true. Who said that the being was transferred to Area 51 in the United States? No, in Brazil, the whole story. Right? Dottaramand is that the army took the story. I can't prove anything. The story was he was taken, carried to campiness, to a very famous pathologist, a friend of Dottaramandus, Balyaris, and that they then took it to Area 51. I don't know. That's what they say, right? I'm just repeating what they tell me. Were you witness to the being being removed from the hospital? Did you have any details on that? No. I went into the room, he was there. I left the room, he was there. I didn't see if he was taken or removed. I did see the army trucks, those trucks with the green tarps. They were all at the hospital entrance. My car wasn't there. I went in because I was on foot. I entered through the corner of the hospital. Everything was cordoned off there. You've mentioned multiple times that there is a video around the surgery that Marcos Vinesis performed and that he would even show people a video of him essentially performing surgery on this alien. Where do you think that video is? I always thought that his wife had it. She's also a very simple modest person. I think she didn't understand everything he did because he really liked collecting American watches. He collected stuff, related to musicians. He used to love buying lots of things online. Gifts, novelties, a new blood pressure monitor, a different kind of stethoscope. Different things, but everyday items. Cheap things to buy online, mostly American. So I don't know if she managed to get it that day. James went there. They searched his whole house, you know. They took his computer to a warehouse in São Paulo. They didn't find anything either, did they? I don't know. But as I'm telling you, it was public property. Everyone saw it. His whole family saw it. Some fellow doctors saw it, but people don't want to talk about it. Because like they say in the countryside, we depend on medical appointments. We depend on people seeking us out. If they say that one operated on ET, don't go to him. That one's a smoker. Smoked himself to death. Drank himself dry. Do you have any sense of where this video is right now? I think it's still around there, but they searched so hard. I don't think he had the insight to make a copy and save it for his wife. I don't know if he actually did all that. You know what I'm saying? To think one day they'll need that tape. I don't know if he had the foresight to keep it, you know? So if you had to guess, do you think that the tape is lying around in his private civilian hand in his house in the middle of a bunch of CDs? How do you think it's in his house still? Yes, I believe so. Like I was saying, he had the Brightler watch collection. He had several watches. Omega. He collected a lot of stuff, a lot of CDs, you know? You seem to be implying that there's a connection between his watches and the video. What do you think that connection might be? Ray kept it. He kept it hidden in a separate closet in his room. Once a lot of his things were stolen after he died. That's what his wife says. I don't even know if the thief knows what they stole. Know what I mean? Because there was so much stuff. They stole the watch, but there were many other things. CDs, clothes. Jesus. Like you said. No. Yeah, it was a place where he kept the stuff. He gave watches to a lot of people. He gave away his watches. A lot of souvenirs. He'd give them away. There have to be other photographs, other videos that were taken at the hospital. Do you think somewhere a video, a photo, is lying around in private civilian hands? A lot of people claim that, but you can't really believe it. James knows. People have already tried to sell so many videos to him, but they're not real. They're very well put together with lighting, props and lights, and of course there was nothing like that. At that moment it was just that little camera, actually a big camera like the ones from the 90s. You won't remember you're young, but they were really big. We put them on our shoulder like this. Like those TV cameras. There were no small tapes, no cell phones, no internet. We didn't grasp the magnitude of all that could happen. But at least had no idea about it. In 2023, you gave an interview to Marco Leal, whose James's co-producer on his movies have famed UFO researcher local to the region. You told him that you hadn't seen the being directly. You just saw the video. A lot of people on the internet and public are saying that's an inconsistency in his statements. What do you have to say about that? Well, they're right because I couldn't tell everything, even in 2023. And I didn't want to, because it's not as simple as me being here. To be here, I had to pay people to be on call for me. I've exposed myself to doing a lot of things. We expose ourselves to the medical council censoring us. There are a number of things. I'm not rich. I live off the work I do. But when James went looking for the tape, he looked for the tape, looked for the tape, looked for the tape. He's going to offer a million dollars to Max Venice's wife if she has the tape. And when they didn't find the tape, didn't find the tape. I'm in the ICU and he's still interviewing me. At one point I said, "I can't prove it." I don't have the tape. Max Venice has died. Whatever I say, you either believe it or you don't. That's a difficult thing to accept. But I was in the ICU. I thought I was going to have to be intubated. I had a pulmonary thrombosis. I thought I was going to check out. I'm done. I also had a heart attack. Then going back to talking to James, where's the tape? At one point I said, "I don't have the tape, but I was there." Either you believe my word or you don't. But I was there. I saw it and I told the whole story that I'm telling you now, the entire sequence. And how emotional I get when I talk about it. I speak mainly to younger people. I saw it. You can believe it. You cannot believe it. You can tell me I'm this. I'm that. But it was right there in front of me. Do you believe it or not? And there are so many accounts that make the loan lighter. Because as Dr. Armando says, he even came with me. It's hard for one person to talk about it. It's just my word. Nowadays there are other testimonies that have revealed more things. And some Americans were there to encourage us to come here and talk. Because they also have accounts. It's just that they can't talk about it either. In your defense, my friend Amar was just down in Virginia with you. And you were speaking to you. But there was also, I think, a nurse there who had worked under you. And for the first time, she started to speak about this being. And it seems like from his assessment, it's an open secret among the hospital. People don't like to talk about it. But if you really question them and they're in a comfortable private environment, they admit that there's something there. I think what people might be wondering about in your case, because your credentials are unimpeachable in my opinion. But they might be wondering why not go from outright denial because you're fear for your life and because, you know, it's hard to talk about these things to admitting that you saw the being. I think people might have trouble with the fact that you said you saw the video and then you go to seeing the being. And maybe that's just nervousness and not knowing how to react in these sort of situations. But like I said, not even to my children or my wife, I told my wife this, this is a closed subject. But as I thought I was really going to die, and I always said to James, "Separate money from what I'm saying. I'm not selling anything. Nothing. I don't need to take anything. The little I have is enough for myself. But people need to know that they have it. It's the religious people who are afraid. I'm not talking about religion. People say it's a matter of national security that I couldn't talk about it. So there are some doctors who treated a soldier. He was questioned by the federal police. It's not so simple to just speak up. People come to demand consequences. Counsels demand answers, colleagues demand answers. There are so many consequences, especially in Brazil. You yourselves heard the other day. Doctors treat a former president and the justice system itself investigates, wanting to see what happened, why he did this, why he did that. It's not total freedom that we have. It's a monitored freedom. Did anything happen to you? Did any consequences occur when you spoke out about this? No. No, but I am afraid. Were you ever afraid? We're afraid of everything. Being attacked, being murdered, of religious fanatics coming after us. It's not so easy to talk. People insult us on the internet. Who gave you your car? I have such a basic car. Have you ever been threatened or bribed? No. It's only on the internet that they're very offensive. I don't even look. Do you know anything about possible American involvement? Independent of obviously what? People, residents of Virginia, people in Brazil might think. No. Anything from the hospital as far as like American CIA. Your Air Force. Based on all the testimonies. And it's suspected that some military personnel know. They can't identify themselves. They give interviews by modifying their voice. They give interviews with their backs turned. Something did happen because so many people say so many things. That they saw so many sightings. They're talking off the record. They tell us I've experienced that too. An American soldier I saw him on the top of my house. But if I say anything, I lose my pension in the US. I should also defend you here and say the way you reacted I think is normal. For somebody who isn't media trained, you're not a media personality. There's a guy Dr. Cesario who's a cardiologist. And he has a similar trajectory in the way his story evolved. Where it is clear to us and we're about to speak to Dr. Armando. Who literally did the autopsy. On Marco Sharaci, this soldier who apprehended this being. And seemed to die of a bacterial infection that we've never seen the likes of before. And this cardiologist who was in touch with and close touch with Marco Sharaci before he died. He would say things like Marco, Marcos would tell me that he was dying of this bizarre infection. It wouldn't stop and that he thinks it came from a possible wound or, you know, contamination from this oily, you know. a kind of a motion that came from the skin of the ET being and and then he would say things like oh no but his sister told me his sister told me you know and he he wouldn't know how to react you know if you were interrogating somebody you know would look kind of bad but it would look bad in so far as the real truth being that he actually was in close you know much with and in communication with Marco Shureisi and so I just I also want people to have that context that if you're if you're not media trained and you're not savvy about this stuff and you're put on the spot by some you know UFO researcher then you might say things that later you know you regret as far as the inconsistency but it's very natural. So the day we were at the Torajamundas house the Tosézari was a very good friend of mine very reserved, extremely competent but he also has his reservations because he has been questioned before because he tended to the soldier and he went to the federal commission and when I was asked was he tied up the Tosézari went I didn't see was he tied up no did you ever interact with Marco Shureisi at all no no I didn't see shes no we're speculating now but what do you think the intent of this being was with humanity at large so people say that they saw the ship being shot down that someone fired on it because it was already falling when it arrived that's what the young man will tell you Kahu's he saw it falling it must have fallen there by chance after being shot at I don't know by whom but the ship was already shot down that's what I know that's what I think that he didn't go looking there he just crashed there so the closest place with decent conditions was there the other towns are smaller many cities don't even have hospitals now a days it's a much more developed place but back then it had that hospital the regional hospital I want you to describe the video in as much detail as you can and I think this is important because if a video surfaces it should have these details that you're describing and that's good corroboration both for your testimony and for the veracity of the video so can you describe the video the the length and then what happens in the video I can so I went into the room the doctor was over here there was a big camera which I held in my hand it had something like a calculator small here and then the black and white video a being with a slightly larger head lying down surgical material it was like what we call an amesis basin with a needle holder forceps the being lying there looking at the camera like that without any sign of suffering may have taken a minute and a half or two so much so that I thought it might be a child with cruise on syndrome because of the slightly larger head and I asked him what is this he was beside me then he moved over this way and he said it's right next to me from the video this is what I saw black and white a child with a larger head lying down in the same position he was lying in head this way body this way long arms and very calm and he was conscious he was awake he had eyes in the video you couldn't see if there were pupils because it was black and white only that size and I don't know who filmed it either because if he had surgery someone else intervened or someone else filmed it he wouldn't have had time to film and do that himself the surgery itself isn't shown what's shown as the being it was like a post-operative period it already happened he keeps telling me come see what I did he didn't do it in front of me he did it right there and then you understand and the material that I saw was this it was just a clamp and forceps as if a stitch had been done like we do in emergency rooms so much so the location was improvised did you see the video before or after you saw the being he showed it to everyone over and over again several times we would go to his house he would show us things other things and he would show us watches clothes instruments blood pressure monitors and you did you see the video before or after you saw the being directly I saw the video before and then immediately afterwards I saw the being I saw the video before so that's why I asked what is this I thought can it be another case of cruise on syndrome I imagine so but it wasn't did you see the video at his house or did you see the video in the hospital I saw the video as soon as I arrived at the hospital he called me over and said come see what I saw come see what I did I went down to that area he showed me the video and I said okay but I didn't understand what it was I asked him what's this could it be another child with cruise on's where neurosurgeons not cranial facial surgeons that operate cruise on's we do the cranial area cruise on's are done by other professionals they perform that so I was left wondering what did you do what is this here it is there was a screen I don't know if you understood the sequence make sense if you have Michael do you have anything I'm still unclear as to what exactly the surgery was and did he did he look at it and down to I need a non-tainable vein did I mean see if we'll see and did you inspect or observe no the surgery was on this side and I was there he was here I couldn't see this part of him he was on the other side from what I understood and from the materials on the table and the location it was in a major neurosurgery operation neurosurgery involves boxes and boxes and boxes of supplies their microscopes microscope covers and different surgical attire not there that was a makeshift procedure location that's where he put it together from what I understand he put some stitches in the creature's head from the material that I'm seeing in the video when I looked at it later there was no material left it was already clean it was after the surgery I think he only put in a few stitches because there was a needle holder why why didn't you look closely why didn't you inspect because he was here and I was far away he was by the wall I was over here I was preoccupied with other things as I said we get worried about whether they're breathing whether they're bleeding if they're nervous if they're in pain the window was there and he was right there by the window I didn't go in behind it to look at him there but the other doctor you did you speak to him afterwards about what he had done no he said he did a small surgery and look what I did but given the location everything was for a minor surgery a stitch something like that they didn't have the necessary materials but like you must have talked to the other surgeon about what he did to the alien afterwards no he only said look what I did I didn't speak to him after about what he did I thought it was a valve I understood he had put a valve in the being then afterwards I think he put in some stitches that's all what he did was very vague I can't really answer you but then he would show the video to friends and family did he tell them that was in the video I saw look what I did that's what he kept saying but did anybody ever go what did you do specifically they were mostly from his family simpler people and the doctors have sawed many times we many times we didn't even believe it we really didn't could it be a hoax could it be a hoax but how could you put that together so quickly back then I arrive and he already has the being there in the film ready I mean it wasn't something that was planned something that happened right there and then it's all improvised all improvised but didn't it but didn't you like I mean it seems like you knew him for years afterwards I mean didn't you ever just go what did you do to the alien why oh we were very afraid to talk about it we don't talk about patients regarding patients we discuss cases When you have a few cases, you talk about them. When the team is involved, that's fine. But otherwise, we don't talk about like, I operated on that one. I got an IV there. I did this over there. That's not done. - And did I understand correctly that when you arrived at the hospital that there were, that Tivak Lobo was there and asked you if there was an operation on the alien? - Yes. - So that means that, can you repeat, can you say specifically, just because the details are so interesting for us. Did you, like when you parked your car, are you walking 'cause there's a blockade and there's deep in here? - Are you in the car or is there what happened there? - I didn't have my car. I had operated and my office was nearby. I went to write prescriptions, reports. I didn't see patients. It was mostly bureaucratic stuff. And I was worried about the boy. When I returned, it was closed. No cars could enter. I went in through the pedestrian area. And the hospital entrance was there. The trucks were here, as I arrived, the reporter came up to me with a microphone. Did you operate on the ET? - And I think one question I know that the audience will ask based on Michael's questions, which I think are great, is if you were brought in by Marcos Venesis to review the surgery, because he's saying, you're a more senior guy. You're a more senior neurosurgeon. I want you to check my work. Why wouldn't you know the exact nature of that surgery? - Because I hadn't seen Marcos Venesis yet. When she came in and asked about the alien, I'm out here. He's in there. There's no cell phone. I haven't seen Marcos Venesis yet. I don't know what's going on in there. When I entered the hospital and went down to the pediatric ward. - No, no, no, not from the TV reporters before. That makes total sense. I mean, generally like now, the specific surgery that was done, why don't you know those details, given that he was bringing you in to kind of check his work and review it as a senior neurosurgeon. - But it was to see if the patient was okay. That was it. Just to see if the patient was okay. Was he alive? He didn't go into detail about the type of surgery, because I think it was something so simple that he had no doubts. Just a stitch. He was an experience, but not that inexperienced. He performed neurological surgery. He mainly dealt with trauma. Trauma is the first thing we learn, 'cause there's so much trauma in Brazil. He had no questions. He didn't go to ask, do you think the surgical technique I used was correct? No, that wasn't the point. It was to see if the being was okay. If I hadn't gone there, he would have continued seeing patients there. He was already fine. He didn't meet me. He only asked, because he always asked. It was more of a sign off. Someone saw it here with me. I didn't do it alone, but I didn't do anything. I didn't operate. He did it alone. The credit is his. Now I don't know what happened to him. And since I thought it was a very simple question from you, we didn't even talk about it. Apparently, just to put a stitch in, I wasn't going to talk about that. - It's just like stitches. So he said to you, come see what I did. Like he always did, because it's a little strange to be like, I just operated on alien. Come see what I did, just like it's a normal thing. Or was he, did he seem like agitated or. - I don't think, at least I didn't have a sense of it. Until I saw it, until I examined it, until I calmed down. That's when it started to dawn on me that it was a different being. Until then, we view them as patients at risk of death. You see this as a risk of emergency. When he called me, it even distracted me from there. And we, I was in a hurry to see the other one. Then and there, I realized there was no reason to rush. He had already done it. The whole issue of it being an extraterrestrial. All of that, that came up later. But at the time, you don't grasp the full extent of it. I know I didn't. The dimension of that one day I would be here talking to you. - But it seems like the next time you saw him, wouldn't you have been like, dude, what was that all about? - But, and you get to, you have that conversation. And what was that like? - Sure, but not at the moment it happened. - What, with Mastrovinus? - No, average patient. - But afterwards, when did you first talk to the other surgeon about what you had both, what you, about the alien? - I only spoke with Mastrovinusius. We have other neurosurgeons there. And I don't know if they saw it or if they talked to him. But it was that sort of thing that you don't go into detail about. You don't speculate if it were today, my God. What did you do? What stitched did you use? What kind of thread? But that was never the point of discussion. He tended to the being, it's alive. Okay, next. - It just seems, I think it's shocking in a sense that it seems like you were treating it like a normal patient when it was completely alien. Is it just you were, is that just 'cause you weren't particularly, you passed it a little later? - But at the time, you don't have all this awareness that you were having that I'm having now. We never imagined we'd be talking about this on television. It was like a medical secret that happened, period. Nobody will talk about it anymore. 'Cause it's dangerous to talk about it. So it's like when you say, "This patient has leukemia," or when, for the first time, HIV emerged. You don't keep saying that patient is HIV positive. Does that patient have HIV? No. You write it down. - So it's sort of a culture of the discretion, discretion, like you're using a lot of discretion and secrecy is because it's private. Is that why? - Yes. - Okay. - There's an ethics committee. There's the CRM, Regional Medical Council. There's the police, there's the press. Anything you say about someone's family member. Oh, he said my relative has cancer. I'm not going around saying that. What do you think? I don't think anything. - The TV reporter that was out front, did you, are you confident that they were with TV Globo? Or could it have been anything? Did you know who it was? - TV. - Did you know the reporter? I'm sure because it was written there. And I always gave interviews to them about vaccines, about meningitis. - Do you know, was it a woman or a man? - A woman. - Do you remember what she looked like? - Brunette, a medium stature, brown dress. And I didn't curse because it was Globo TV. You operated on E.T.? - Do you know who told her? - No idea. I didn't swear. Not because I'm very polite, no. But I thought at the time, if I swear here and it comes out on Globo, if a doctor gets a bad reputation that he's rude, he's crazy, and in the countryside, that makes a difference. - And but was she waiting when you left the hospital with its only other media there when you left? - There was, there was. And I just said to her, I thought she was talking about the boy because I was taking a fence on behalf of the boy. But I said, that's not how you talk about people. And I moved on. I didn't finish the sentence. I said, what a fucking lack of respect. - Did you go to my car? - When you saw this alien being in the room, did you make the connection with the TV, with the TV global reporter in her question? You say, oh, that's what must have been what she was asking about, no. - Oh yes, later, right? - Later. - Later. - I said she was right. - Did the hospital ever take administrative action against you because of your speaking out about this after 2023? - No, they just prohibited me from filming inside. And that's right, because once I filmed, I went into the maternity ward with James in the room where it was. They reprimanded me because I shouldn't have done that. They were right. The hospital was right about that. To film something inside the hospital, that's why the hospital management had permission because there were other patients, right? It could have happened that I saw another patient, something like that. The hospital management is right. It was the only time, but they treated me very well. When Marcos Venesis would show the video, how did he do that? Did he show it on a TV? Did he show it? Did he have the camera at home? Do you put a VHS in the VCR? - At home, on his computer, they would come into the room, sit on the sofa, he would sit in front of the computer, and maybe a CD or a tape, but I think it was a CD because he would show it repeatedly sometimes. So people would come over and go, here's my nice watches and here's my video. He showed other cases. Other cases. We'd arrive in his house and he'd put on a show. Yeah, look at this watch. Look at this gadget I bought to measure God knows what. Look at this stethoscope right here. [BLANK_AUDIO] Lots of souvenirs you buy online, right? Look at this brightling, brightling, and Omega's too. He gave them a way to a lot of people. I even, my wife says I used to argue with him a lot, because he had a stent put in his heart, and smoking, and buying watches. There was a time. Why was he able to, I mean, brightling, Omega, those are expensive watches. So expensive. So how did he have that much money? Neurosurgeons at one time made a lot of money, because back then you could operate, and when the patient stayed in different accommodations, you could operate and charge for a different accommodation. That's how I built my house. But at another time, he got a daughter. He started spending money on racehorses. You know what? I bought a horse, and my daughter loves them. It's a different kind of money. And now we're paying for it to stay on a breeding farm. With forced stents in your chest, that's what I'd say, with forced stents in your chest. Can I talk to you? Better not. My wife used to say, "Stop arguing with Markus Vinicius, but he smokes. He bought a horse." Do you know if Markus Vinicius ever told his wife or his daughter anything about his experience? Of course. And did he speculate about this alien being himself in his private life? He did. Sure. That I can't answer. His wife is a wonderful person, but she's a simple person. I like her very much. Her name is Huzaliyah. However, I also adopted a slightly more rational stance when she came to talk to me. She had a bracelet, earrings, I'd say, for the love of God. Walking around like that, you'll get mugged. You'll get ripped off. You'll get slapped. Oh, my. My wife said, "Stop saying that to them." I used to say, "Max, Vinicius is dead." He gave you these things, but he's dead. You need to invest that money. You have a daughter. She didn't leave a very large insurance policy. So be careful. Did you speak to anybody else in Virginia or in the hospital who was faced to face with the being and compare your experience with their experience? And if so, what are those details from what they experienced? No, I never talked about any of this at the hospital. Nowadays, when I talk about it at the hospital, many people say that the room was really locked. That this really happened here. Because on that day, people can find details of what they saw. But it's like when James's team was in Brazil, they're getting people to tell the story. To incentivize people like me to speak, and they put the pieces together. There's nobody saw everything, right? Each one of us saw part of it. I saw a piece of it. I'm completely opening my heart. I'm even talking about José Línguez things. I hope she forgives me when she hears this. I don't want to offend anyone, you know? But this shows you the level of intimacy involved. But they don't say what kind of surgery it was. There are two other colleagues that I haven't spoken to about this. Does anybody else say I looked the being in the eyes, and it felt like an angel, it felt non-judgmental, peaceful loving, anybody else that you spoken to? No, not to my knowledge. That was my impression at that moment, you know? Has this experience made you more religious in any way, more spiritual? A bit more realistic, you know? A little more realistic. Because I'm already pretty old and I won't be around for long. So mainly to give hope to you younger people, that yes, it is possible whether you believe it or not. There are beings that are different from us. And I had a great pleasure getting to know America here. I found it very beautiful. I love Americans. You saved us in the world wars. I love Americans. I had a 48 Jeep from the war. In memory of the war, I really like American soldiers. Extremely trustworthy. And I really like the stories when Americans return from the war and reunite with their families. Those testimonies, those scenes are very beautiful. I thank America for being here and God save America. If you had unlimited resources and money and you knew that there'd be no negative repercussions, what would you do to get your hands on this video? What would be the first action steps for finding it? I'd go back to his place and I'd have to go through everything once again. And I would need to hear this story about the robbery because some of his watches were stolen from his house. And he had a cabinet in the corner of his room at the back where he kept his watches, where he kept his CDs, his souvenirs, you know? That's probably where he put it. She lives in the same house. She lives there. But about the robbery that happened there, I'd need to talk to her. I heard that many of his watches were stolen, but I didn't go there and never went back to his house again. There must have been during, like from 1996 until when you started talking about this in 1993, I'm sorry, to that in 2023, you must have, people in town must have talked about this or you hurt, you were there when he showed these videos and these conversations were happening. What kind of conversations did you hear people talking about in relationship to Vargenia? And what was, or in relationships of the alleged alien, and what was your own response to, did you feel like I should be, you're like worried or what was that experience like hearing other people talk about Vargenia? I work in the ICU and there are nurses who know the girls that saw it, Volkidia. And they say that most of them, so there are nurses who know the girls, who saw the extraterrestrial, they've had it rough because they're criticized, they had to change schools because of bullying, nobody made any money from this. They remain in the same city, giving the same testimony. They weren't able to get their passports approved to come here because they don't have stable jobs, right? They have simple jobs, you know, but the three of them stick to it the same. There's no reason to talk about this if it weren't for that. Oh, I won this, I won that. They've been promised a lot, but they've been persuaded to change their stories to say they didn't see anything. You know, I met them the other day. We talked about the same thing, the difficult part isn't telling the story. The difficult part is being accused of lying, hearing that none of it happened, accused of making it up just to get on TV. We had dinner together. It's the same thing. It's not, it's what we had to endure to get to this point. You'll hear other testimonies. People don't believe it. They have every right to, of course, it's something that changes everything, but. And how would you describe your own reasons for staying quiet for so long? Were you just afraid of people making fun of you? Were you afraid of being fired? Like, what was the core fears? Or what, or I guess what's the venue from speaking out until now? To this day, because we have jobs, we don't have any other source of income. It's the everyday work, it's being on call. A lot of all-nighters, very little sleep, car bills, cell phone bills, school tuition fees, for our kids, the greatest fear is because people really come down hard on us. What do you hope for the world to understand through your testimony and why are you coming forward now and in the United States? That is a wonderful question. What I think they come to tell us is peace, because we live in this world in a tiny piece of the Milky Way, on the periphery of the Milky Way, right? And we fight all the time. We mistreat our neighbors, our brothers. I'm not trying to make a religious speech. I'm not religious at that level. But so that we respect each other more. As Freud said, "If we're going to coexist, we're going to have to agree on what to do." And there are bishops that said I should talk to the Pope, but talk to him about what? Is he going to excommunicate me? There's no need to. There's more to it. In my father's house, there are many mansions. So that's the risk of being exposed by a media that's much more powerful than us. It crushes us. They'll spin a narrative that destroys you. Your career destroys you as a person. They destroy your morale, your self-esteem. It's very easy and very dangerous to talk about this. Just as there are people who like it, there are people who don't. To many people, it's of no interest to them. It ruins their business, right? It ruins various types of religions that say that we're the center of the universe. It ruins everything. It's something not worth believing in, but for some people it's good. To see that there's so much more, so much more. We need to evolve a lot, regarding, we've evolved a lot from a technological point of view, but very little from a social point of view, very little. Do you have any information on the alien's condition when it was taken to the hospital? Exactly. Was it bleeding or was anything occurring with the body specifically? No, there isn't. The story I know is that if it went to the hospital, it was an emergency. They thought of taking it to the zoo. That's the story. They would take it to the zoo as if it were an animal. But then they took it to the hospital. If my colleague took it there and stitched it up, it's because he must have been bleeding heavily. Blood is what scares lay people, right? It scares all of us, of course, but if it's bleeding, then. So if it went there and was taken quickly to that place, it must have been bleeding. That's what I think. Otherwise it didn't need to be there. It was breathing normally. It wasn't in a coma. It wasn't intubated. Because critical patients get intubated, they get an IV drip. It didn't even have an IV drip. Nothing had been injected into it. You see? What I had was what would eventually happen, as I described, putting in stitches. That's why I think they took it to the hospital and then took it away. Are you familiar with any colleagues, friends, other witnesses who experienced the so-called men in black phenomenon of somebody coming up to them and telling them they can't speak publicly about this, or again, bribes, threats, anything like that? No, there is one from Loto Cesario, but it was regarding the police officer, and there's a report from the officer who saw a dead being. I saw a living being that was talking to Dr. Carl just now. He was saying that they have a lot of descriptions, a lot of things. He separated them very well, physics and biology. He was a physicist. This is a physical and biological matter. He says, "When a living being is involved, it changes our conversation." Right? So I invited him to go there, right? He can stay at my house for as many years as he wants. To do research there, there's a project to research the place there, where it was, you know, where they appeared. It's a vacant lot that's still there today, in Vagina. The land is fenced off, but there are visitations. The story goes that JJ Benitez went there and collected soil to see if there was any radioactive material. There's the testimony of the guy who saw the spacecraft, picked up a piece with his hand. Very interesting as well. That's it. How many witnesses do you know personally? I realize you're estimating you don't have to come up with the exact number on the spot. Many people, when you talk about it, everyone has a story to tell. I also saw it. I also had an opportunity. I played countless people say it, saying that Bobby Fisher saw it. I was talking about Carl. Bobby Fisher was tired of saying that the Russians did this to him. Bobby Fisher, look it up, that he would play, and they would come in, and there were gurus, Russian parapsychologists influencing that a person made a move, but it was a computer-generated move, and they were in '74. They study a lot. They played chess. I almost played professionally. He says that all the time. An impossible move, a god move. They'd say, ah, he did that because the people used to meet in that room. The Russians would meet in that room. And in doing that, he already had a certain computer, some kind of calculation, even those calculations from that wartime coding, and they would play around with it, and another thing, they had studied my games. They had all my statistics. They even knew what I was going to do down to the 10th round. And he was alone. He had Asperger's. He was a genius. One of the greatest geniuses here in America. So what's the connection between Bobby Fisher and the witnesses? Yeah. Yeah, the contacts. Oh, in chess, several people have already seen it. I have a very large group. They say they've already seen it. There's a lot here on my phone. I've seen it too. I've seen it too. I've seen it too. People who play the piano. I've seen it too. I've seen it too. I play a little too. Those online forums. A lot. I've seen it too. I've got it right here. People who play chess say they saw. The people who play piano. You know, I've seen it. I've seen it from out of the piano. It's funny. I just interviewed a guy who is president of the World Chess Federation for 20 years. And his name is Kyrsán Ayumzina. And he's a president of a Russian republic. And he was one of the last guys to play chess with Bobby Fisher. After Bobby Fisher had already retired. He was kind of paranoid and he says, and you know, he says, first of all, he said he was abducted by aliens or taken by aliens, invited onto a spaceship while he was sitting president of his Russian Republic of Calmecia in 1997. So a year after your experience and he also says that, and this is the more speculative part of the interview, he says that the game of chess comes from aliens. Well, can I go a little further? Yeah, yeah, yeah, go. In order to talk about this, I wrote a short story. How could I examine the ET if I didn't have a CT scan if I didn't have anything? So it's a chess game called The Universal, which is a chess game. It's not my invention, it's Adriana Calderas, the Brazilian champion. It's his invention. Since I had no way of testing the ET, we took him to a place and played chess. So I didn't need to make the move, he already knew the move. So you wrote a short story about the alien already knowing how to play chess intuitively. Yeah, fascinating. The whole story is there. You just need to know how to play chess, my story is there. It's written down right there. Very amazing. Yeah. I don't know what to make of it. He also told the story of one of the greatest chess players, playing a simulation or something before he was about to play a big tournament and the moves made themselves and he attributed it to some sort of alien intervention, but all of this is very speculative. Dr. E. Talo. Look it up. James Hasid, the universal chess game. Fantastic. Ah, I'd love to read it. Amazing. Well, Dr. E. Talo Venturelli, I'm so grateful for you coming to the United States and giving your testimony. Thank you to Michael Shellenberger, who's a remarkably proficient in Portuguese. And I really hope you gave a lot of details here that people can be skeptical, but you gave details that my hope is are corroborated in the future. Let's try to find this reporter from Brazil, from Virginia, was it Teve Globo? And then let's also try to find this video and try to find more corroboration because as far as background and pedigree and, you know, no incentive to lie, all of those things go like you're pretty as good as it gets in my book. And thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I just, I'm very, I'm very grateful. Thank you. So, thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. Thank you. Hi. My name is José Marcos Morita. I'm a cardiologist from Virginia, but I know it is. I'm still in Sao Paulo. And I met Dr. Italu since I was a child. He's a very serious guy, very serious man. And I believe in his history about it, for 80 of Virginia, 'cause he's a very serious man. And I really believe in him. - And you have another friend who's a doctor? - Oh yes, and I have another friend, his name was Fernando Jéin, unfortunate. He died in 2003, 2015, and he told me. He was passed in the hospital, originally in Virginia, and he saw the fit of the creature. Only these, because there's a lot of military persons around there. And they asked him to go away, please go away, and don't stay here. And the only thing that he told me before he died, was that he really saw the fit of the creature in the regional emergence. And I believe in him, because he was a very nice guy, a very serious guy too. That's what I have to say. Roughly three hours after the girl's witness, the strange creature, military police officers, edit globes, and medical chidezi, drive down this road on the lookout for something unusual. When suddenly, it runs right across their path. This military left the car. These military officers, especially Mark Lichere, brought this creature to dominate. It was captured by Mark Lichere, whispered his bare hands, easily and taken to the hospital. Apart from second-hand rumors of what took place inside the hospital made by anonymous sources, little is known about what happened to the alleged alien. The driver, Eric Lopes, has been in hiding, and the officer who handled the live being, Marcos Turis, died a couple of weeks later. So who are you, what's your name, and what's your background professionally and your education? My name is Ahmoud Afonat Filu. I'm a forensic physician, which is forensic medicine. I'm a public health physician. I'm an occupational physician, and I also have a bachelor's degree in law. I'm married to a Peruvian psychoanalyst and have two daughters who are also doctors. First of all, I would like to thank you for your invitation, and congratulate you on your audience. I confess that in hundreds of interviews, I've given throughout my life, I've never initially participated in a prayer before beginning an interview, as you did with all of us present here. So may God bless us. Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the light, the truth, and the life." So may we be blessed in this interview, and may we bring the truth here. Amen, well said. Let me ask you, on the day, January 1996, you lived in Virginia. Obviously, I want to speak to you about the autopsy of Marco Sharasi, but on the day or the week of what had happened, had you heard of anything going on in Virginia when it came to UFOs, alien entities being treated at the hospital, anything like that? When the body of soldier, Mark Shedizzi, arrived, there was no mention of contact with extraterrestrials. The body was sent for autopsy for investigation into a possible professional error, because he was a soldier in the state military police of Minajeraiz, and because he had an infection, it seems that a drainage procedure, a small surgery, was performed by a doctor within the military police battalion. And because the illness progressed very rapidly, very abruptly, in a few days, the commanding colonel of the military police requested an investigation into the cause of death of that soldier to improve the investigation, because he didn't understand how a military police doctor could let a soldier die. We did the autopsy. There was an incision wound. It was probably a drainage procedure for an infection, a boil, an infection in the left armpit area. And this was the only lesion that was found. We collected blood samples, fragments of liver, stomach, and lung tissue, and sent them to the laboratory of Dutorantoyubacista Makuku Janini, a renowned pathologist in our city, who was also a forensic pathologist in Rio de Janeiro. But in Virginia, he worked as a pathologist. He had his own laboratory, and is a very well-known scientific figure in Brazil. Dutor Janini issued a report stating that he died from a pulmonary infection that caused septicemia, which is a generalized infection. Regarding the bacteria that were found, I'm leaving Dutor Janini's report here for you. And what we have recently learned is that this soldier may have participated in the capture of an extraterrestrial being. And Dutor Janini also personally reports to all of us. Dutor Janini said recently, last year, that the bacteria found in the material examined in the laboratory is not common in our country, and that the bacteria was extremely virulent, and which are very progressive, deviating from the norm of everyday practice in Brazilian medicine. And that he did not rule out, given the circumstances that had come to him, that the bacterium could be an alien bacterium. So I'm saying here that I personally haven't had contact with extraterrestrials, neither has Dr. Janini, but the bacteria found in the soldier, is leading us to this conclusion. Indeed, because Marquely Shediz's sister said that he had contact with an ET from Vagina. So we have a new situation today. After 30 years, Dutor Janini is suggesting and requesting authorization from the court. It's not easily done. The first difficulty is getting the court to approve the examation of the soldier's remains. Of soldier, Ali, Shediz's remains, and whether the family would agree to it, to investigate, if possible, DNA testing, to better study the bacteria that caused this infection in such a young soldier who had vigor and was healthy, Dr. Amando, sorry to interrupt, I want to just ask you, point blank, what do you think caused this infection? Do you personally believe that Marco Sharasi apprehended this alien being, and he received an infection from it that is more exotic than any sort of infection that a person would get through something more ordinary? The infection he had is extremely rare, not impossible, but it's virulence and severity caught Dutor Janini's attention. A scratch or some sort of contact with an extraterrestrial shouldn't be ruled out. I would say that the first possibility, the first diagnostic hypothesis is still a secondary effect of surgery, an infection in the axillary skin region, hydrodenitis, but also as a second hypothesis, given the circumstances I've heard from the testimony of Dutor Yatalu, the recent anatomopathological evaluation by Dutor Antoni Makuku-Janini and the history of Marco Ilishinei's sister, one should continue. consider the possibility of post-contact contamination with an extraterrestrial during a military police operation. Him being a soldier in the minijetized state military police. Is there any other plausible story had he received surgery before this happened at all? No. He was a vigorous and healthy soldier who a few days prior had a skin lesion drained at the military police medical clinic. And it's possible that the infection spread, that's the first hypothesis, but the second is that he contracted the infection from a scratch, from contact with an extraterrestrial being. I say this after so many years, based on the testimony, I'll say it again, based on Dr. Janini's new testimony, from a laboratory standpoint, an Atama pathological standpoint, from the testimony of Marco Licherenzi's sister and also from the account of Dr. Yatalu Venturelli, who claims to have seen YeTee at the regional hospital in southern minijetized. How many weeks between Marco Cherezi transporting this alien being and him passing away and you doing the autopsy? How many weeks? I don't have the exact dates for the supposed operation and infection. I know he had an outpatient surgical procedure, not in a hospital, Marco Licherenzi at the military police battalion, on an outpatient basis, but that this infection lasted around 12 or 14 days. He went through three or four doctors complaining about lumbosyadica, a kind of back pain. And then taking antibiotics and any inflammatory drugs, but the infection spread and developed into septicemia, causing death, from generalized infection, pneumonia, and septicemia. Had he told anybody else at the hospital, I think what's happened to me is actually from this E.T. that I had to deal with, did he tell anybody else this? No, from what I've seen, only his sister suspects he had contact with her. But no doctor, I only received a body without a history to investigate whether there was professional error or negligence, anything, any malpractice on the part of a fellow doctor. What about Cesario cardiologist Dr. Cesario was on duty at the medical service that operated like an emergency room. And the soldier had been there a few days, not sure if it was two or three times, complaining of back pain, which was actually an infection that was progressing, lumbosyadica treated him like that. I don't know if it was once, twice or three times. And also confirms, albeit indirectly, that the infection was indeed surprising and progressed in a very abrupt, very rapid manner. I believe Cesario said that essentially Mark O'Sheresie had been telling him over and over again that this was actually, possibly from this E.T. being that he had apprehended. But I think this is from, because he goes, he goes, yeah, he said that this stuff had happened because he was concerned about saving his own life according to a sister. So he's like, he said it and then he goes, according to his sister, I was like, mm, okay. Yeah, yeah. If I was dialed, I'd be like, here's what happened. I don't know. Yeah. Very, very interesting. And what, which hospital is this that you were at where you did the autopsy? The coroner's office, which in Brazil is called Yemiel, the forensic medical institutes, is linked to the civil police of the states and provinces. And it's the criminal investigation police that investigates crimes preparing police reports, which are handled by the chiefs of police. So in this exceptional case, a commander of the military police barracks opened a military police investigation because the lieutenant doctor who performed the surgery, the drainage, was part of the medical staff. He's a private civilian who I'm sure has many friends in Virginia. Did you hear other stories just organically come up around people seeing crafts or bodies or anything like that? Yes. If you walk throughout the city, there are always reports of people who have seen spaceships, people who have seen lights in the sky moving quickly. Just like spaceships, but sometimes they're confused with comments, other times they're drones. But in Brazil, it's a country that receives many visits from these objects. It's a privileged country in that sense, but there are always reports. And the more you talk about it, the more people hear about it and start saying, "As little to little said very well, now people are starting to talk about it more frequently." If you had to put a number on the amount of friends or even just people you've encountered who've witnessed either the UFO or the body, what number would you put? And I realized that I'm putting you on the spot here in that it doesn't have to be an exact perfect number. Every few friends, because, for example, Kahus, who said he saw the craft with a very strong and trustworthy testimony, he doesn't live in Vajinha. Unlike Toto Rietalu, who were familiar with his doctors, person with credibility, with a history of many years of service, to neurology, to brain surgery in Vajinha and nearby towns, together with a reputation. So their testimonies are very powerful and which makes me give credibility to the possibility brought up by Loto Rianini, that this bacteria that was found with the soldier Makhredi Sherezi, whether it's alien, this backs the testimony of the girls who are now ladies in Vajinha who are also reputable people. And it makes one believe in the testimony of Kahus himself, who saw the craft. Today, just this morning, talking to, and this is forever, is listening at home, with the scientist, Mr. Hal, right? Hal put off, who has various studies in the field of physics, and the, I mean, he's a born scientist, provides services to various entities. I made the suggestion that Loto Rianini wants to investigate this bacterium, if possible, in the remains of Makhredi Sherezi, to better investigate this bacterium, whether it may have been combined with a bacterium from another planet in the universe, outside planet Earth. But the location where the spacecraft is believed to have crashed also needs to be studied, which is metallic residues. Things that are not common in our universe should be studied more thoroughly. And that's why I asked Loto Rianini today, was in talks with other scientist friends, about the possibility of undertaking the study, or not. Because the listener here, wants the truth, expects the truth from us. We have no vested interest. Our only interest here is to tell the truth. We are very small in this universe. There's so much to be discovered out there. And from what we feel, from what Loto Rianini perceived, extraterrestrials are at peace. They live in peace. They're curious, but they live in peace, and can contribute a lot to us. So since man has reached the moon, why not advance a little further? And of course, it's no longer just the Vajrini-T. He is a Brazilian-E-T, an American-E-T, a Chinese-E-T, a Russian-E-T. He belongs to all of us, to the planet. And why not investigate this better for a euphology to advance further, right? Even recently, didn't you speak to friends who had seen the craft? There are people who have seen things like that. When James Fox returns to Vajrion, I'll introduce him to another three or four people, a report having seen spaceships, lights. Now you see the difference, right? Some say the spaceship had lights. Our professor here, who gave the testimony, Gahlus, said it was tubular and didn't have lights, right? So there are things that sometimes involve two spaceships, you know? So the witnesses are that common, though. Like James, how many witnesses do you think you've spoken to, total? Well, when I went downtown to the town square, I found a number of people that either saw, I mean, within an hour, I probably had 12. of different people saying different things. One of them saw excessive, couple of them saw excessive military activity that they'd never seen before. Military trucks everywhere. - If you were to add up everybody though and put an approximate number on it. - Oh, God. - And a witness is anybody who's seen a ship or an alien body? - Ship or alien body? Ship, maybe 12 to 15. I mean, another one recently, you said it sounded over the hospital, maybe 15. And then the alien body, I think it's up to five. - Wow, yeah, it's pretty amazing. - Yeah, one of that clues the chief of police. - I don't know any other case where you have that many witnesses. - And the three girls eat to low. Well, the nurse, that would've been six. So it could be six that saw the, yeah. - Can you speak a little bit to eat to low credentials and kind of bona fide's background? Because I think having a neurosurgeon come forward and say he was face to face with an alien being for three to four minutes is just going to be a, so earth shattering for so many people. But b, I think very hard for them to compute. And I think they're going to often try to throw the kitchen sink of skepticism against this case. What's your experience of it, eat to low? And what do you know about him in his reputation and his skills as a neurosurgeon? - Doto Adietalu is a very experienced doctor. Has a lot of credibility, very honorable to give this recent account of having personally seen and witnessed an extraterrestrial. And one of the reasons I'm here is because he's the one who gave the testimony. So I trust in him. Now, of course, it's not common. Maybe if it were me on that day, and I'd seen the ET, I would have told my wife, my colleagues would have called the hospital and said, "Look at this, how interesting, each with their own reasons, each with their own particularities and singularities." And I respect that. I don't depend on a private practice to make a living. He's a neurologist with a private practice. And this could really be a reason for losing clients in a private practice. He was people thinking he was crazy that he was seeing things. It could harm him professionally. And he justified his reasons. So that's plausible, it's understandable. But it's not common. I think perhaps most doctors or any citizen would have said, "Look folks, there was a different situation today inside the hospital." But we have to respect it. - And Marco Sharesi's family to this day maintains that his injury was probably due to an alien being and that he was saying towards the end of his life constantly that he was worried that he was sick because he had apprehended this being and held him. And apparently the alien was full of kind of this greasy, oily substance. And that might have gotten on to him and he was asking questions about what might occur if you come into contact with that because he was not feeling well. - So his sister's testimony regarding the virulence of the bacteria, this leads us to believe that he may have participated in an operation to capture the CT. But that's not what I received through the colonel who requested the autopsy. He's a forensic doctor. But years later, that's what has been reaching us and there are testimonies saying that from Marco Sharesi's sister. And also because of the evidence regarding the characteristics of the bacteria that was found in the soldier and a new reassessment by Doto João Batista Marco Gujanini. - What did the colonel say when he tasked you to do the autopsy? What did he share with you about the details? - He didn't speak to me. The request was for a written corner autopsy of the soldier. And it's not common for someone who normally requests an autopsy to be a police chief. It arrived and they can also request it just as the public prosecutor's office can request it for an autopsy. We performed the autopsy, awaited the lab tests, and about 20 days later, we released the report after the material from Doto Joãoini arrived. But I didn't speak with the commander of the military police. The autopsy was done to investigate an error, a supposed professional error, which was later not proven. Professional error. It was a progression of the medical complication. The doctor who performed this minor procedure, an excellent professional, has a very good reputation in the city. There were no complications. The progression of the disease was extremely unfavorable. - Tell me about Dr. Janini and his background. I think a lot of people found it very powerful in James's movie when you have a guy who's kind of known as the Godfather of medical science in the local region. And he's coming out and he's speculating. He literally says he thinks that a puncture wound from the nail of the ET is what caused Marco Chereci's death. - He sent it, and I've already left it with you, signed. He couldn't be here today because of health issues. He's almost 90 years old, but he's keeping up to speed with us and made it a point to send a sign and authenticated document. So it could be read and I already left it to your care. But who is Doto Janini? He arrived in Vagina about 50 years ago, probably 45 or 50 years ago. He came from a huge January and Brazil. He was a university professor, a pathologist, and a forensic doctor in the state of huge January. He arrived in Vagina and set up a diagnostic and laboratory service, a propodutic institute, which serves practically 90% of its patients. Through the sucess, the unified health system, he serves the public health service. He's a reference for a doctor's working in the public health system. Today, he and his son, along with their entire staff, serve more than 100 cities in the region. So he is a reference in quality. I'm not going to advertise, but it's true. He's a man unconcerned with monetary values. He values quality in his work as a scientist. Seeking excellence in care and quality. And for us doctors, he always has been and still is a reference, because he is a true scientist. And in this case, every time it was me, the forensic doctor is there, when we had a more delicate case, when we had doubts, we would call him. And he'd be very willing, because Vagina is a small town. Everything is nearby. I'll be there in 10 minutes, while assist with the autopsy, and he would assist, which sometimes meant performing the procedure, collecting materials. Said he'd take them to his laboratory, and giving the results in a week. And sometimes during the autopsy itself, during the examination as a great pathologist, he would already give diagnoses. So not only in forensic medicine, and in the area of autopsy's, laboratories, biopsies, he's a huge reference. So he has our respect, and we are very grateful to him. The doctors of Vagina have great respect and gratitude for Doto João Batista Makukujanini. Was there anything else about the body outside of the bizarre bacteria? And Mark Osharisi stated story that he kept repeating with his family that makes you think maybe there was some alien involvement, was there a smell to it, was there anything else about it? I hadn't met the soldier when he was alive. The first time I saw him, it was a body ready to be autopsy'd. I never met him. I did meet some relatives, but not him. I had never seen him. But the sister's testimony, which is questionable, it said that maybe he spoke to the doctors who tended to him at the hospital, but I don't have the testimony of those doctors that tended to him. But I heard his sister saying, which was recorded recently, that he was indeed involved in the capture of the ET. So it's a puzzle. There are several moments we have there. People close to Vagina, who saw a ship, the size of a bus, heading towards the city in those days. For instance, take the testimony of the girls who saw the ET during the day, today they're ladies. It's been 30 years, there were girls then, today they are ladies. You see the testimony of Profis Okalus, a geography teacher who gives a powerful account of having actually seen the spacecraft and its wreckage, and that he even touched it. But the police took it from him and ordered it handed over to the army. You also see the testimony of Doto Diitalu. So this makes us believe, in fact, in the existence of extraterrestrials on Earth, not the Vagina ET. But this is a subject that interests the United States, Japan, Brazil. China, Russia. It's a matter of greater interest to humanity. We have to search more in advance further. Have you done any thinking about theoretically why this bacteria would look like bacteria occasionally found from wounds or occasionally found in animals and pets, but is very rare in humans and very rare to kill a human and to be so virulent? Do you ever think about, you know, if these beings are coming from, you know, thousands of light years away, why they would contain any sort of bacteria that might match ours? Have you gone that far and you're thinking? That's an interesting question. This bacteria exists on Earth. It's extremely rare, but it exists to our knowledge, this type of Staphylococcus. But also, the soldier, I mean the alien or extraterrestrial, came into contact with animals at the zoo in Vagia. Some dead animals were found at the zoo. I wasn't aware of this at the time that some dead animals were found at the zoo, which begs the question, could it be that the extraterrestrial could have been contaminated, coming in contact with the animals and then being captured by the soldier, and therefore the soldier being contaminated by the extraterrestrial with the bacteria that was in some zoo animal? Or is the bacteria in fact alien, you know? That's why we're asking. And I brought this up with Dr. How this morning, that the CIA, NASA, should support us with all the knowledge they already possess, with all their wisdom, technology, and diagnostic capabilities. Brazilian medicine is very advanced, but American medicine also has its particularities. Perhaps the two of them together could conduct a more thorough scientific study of this bacteria if the exclamation is authorized, and also of the material that must have residues where the spacecraft fell. I posed this challenge to Dr. How, asking you the American people to help us. Who told you about the ET's interaction with animals at the zoo? This is already public knowledge. This has already been reported. James Fox should know about it. I don't know which animal died. Maybe James, Fox maybe knows. There were animals that died at the zoo during that week. So James, I'm curious. Do you know what the nature of that interaction was? I don't think I included that part in the film because there's so many different aspects that were sightings later. There were like, now I'm coming to the conclusion. I think there were like a lot more beings that were initially reported that were seen. And what did you hear about the beings? Well, I guess what do you call a zoologist or the guy that, yeah, or a zoo keeper maybe? Yeah, he was a little more than that. So, okay, zoologist would be like the scientist. Yeah, and he talked about that their cause of death was completely unknown, never seen anything like it. He said it all on camera. Marco Leal could tell you more. But do we know anything about like the specific animals that the ET interacted with? Was it a cattle medilation situation where they like playing in a playpen or something? They were exposed to some sort of bacteria that killed them, and then he'd never really seen it. But again, I'd have to, I have an interview with a guy. I just have to reflect back on it. So those animals ended up dead? Yes. Where they typical cattle medillations with the bloodmissing. No, no, no. No, more like just got exposed to some sort of bacteria. Got exposed to some sort of bacteria. So that would point towards the bacteria, maybe not being animal. But it's so, it's just what fascinates me so much about the bacteria is that it's something that's rare, but exists on earth. Well, here's what Dr. Janini told me and he told me this on camera. He'd never seen anything like it before or after. Is that your experience as well? Never seen anything like this bacteria before or after, Dr. Amanda? My medical practice is more focused on companies, occupational medicine, and more on private practice. My colleagues who work in the intensive care unit, the infectious disease specialist, don't see this type of infection. This kind of bacteria on a daily basis that exists, but it's extremely rare. And normally this infection is treated with antibiotics. And in this case, despite being young, strong, vigorous soldier, the bacteria led to his death in just a few days, less than 10 days. So that's why this bacteria is different. It's not common and it's very, virulent and highly lethal. Sounds like the anomalous component of the bacteria. It's just how virulent and lethal it was. I think it was like the term used was never seen an advanced bacteria of this strain behave the way it did ever before or since. And even Cesario who was working on him, it's like I threw the kitchen sink that should have all the antibiotics I gave him should have saved his life, but it didn't do anything. I could just because I've never seen anything like it before it's either. So it was an adaptation or an evolution of a particular bacteria on Earth, but that they haven't seen on Earth that type of evolutions. Because the best way he described it to me as a neophyte. So now I'm offering criticism of the commander. I don't know if he's alive or not, nor do I know his name. Constructive criticism, of course, of the commander of the military police barracks. Because a medical complication, which of course must be investigated, but not with such a fervorous desire to perform a witch hunt, as was done with a fellow doctor, a medical attendant who worked at the barracks, who spent years having to explain this to the justice system and that it was confirmed that there was no professional error or unfavorable outcome, an extremely atypical case, a progressive illness with pulmonary complications, very rapid, which thoroughly stressed his doctor and his family. Of course, he was acquitted later, but the commander went a bit overboard in his investigations with his soldier because the bacteria was not common. So there was no professional error. There was a complication, an unfavorable evolution in a clinical case and a strong soldier. But it should be investigated. Tutor Janini is correct in requesting authorization from the justice system for new studies of this bacteria if it exists, but the problem is that it may still be present in the remains. There may still be surprises. It's remarkable to hear people consistently of your stature credentials, academic background, and well spokenness just consistently talk about friends who've seen beings and crafts or talk about anomalous bacteria. I think this is a really remarkable case and I've said this with the other two guests today who I'm honored to have spoken with, but it's just, I think, the modern Roswell. It's the modern case that really is just there's so many witnesses. It's an overwhelming amount of evidence and beyond any sort of threshold of a doubt that something occurred here, and I agree with you. I think it's very worthy of investigation. And so I really appreciate you coming out, Dr. Armando. And I guess my final question would be, has this at all affected your fate that all you started off with a prayer you invoked Jesus Christ? Does this affect your worldview in any way or does it has this affected you kind of emotionally? No, it didn't change me. I'm a Christian man, a doctor with great dedication to the public health system. I was the municipal health secretary. During the pandemic in our city, I have experience in public health, occupational medicine, forensic medicine. So you see my life, my father was a pharmacist, my mother was a primary school teacher, and I had great difficulty to study at a federal university, a public university. So I've always used medicine as a way to serve. I believe that this Virginia case deserves further study. But the work that our friend, James Fox, has been doing, this investigative work he has been doing is remarkable and deserves our applause. And Vajinha is very grateful to him. Now, I extend the invitation I made today to Dr. Hal, who is this physicist, extremely dedicated to science and to you as well, Jesse, to go to Vajinha. If the ET went to Vajinha, why can't you go as well? Get to know our reality. It's a pleasant city, a city with a wonderful climate, welcoming people, and continue these investigations with James Fox's team. You have a lot to contribute. And you asked extremely intelligent questions here today. You're even acting like a police detective investigating us. Congratulations. Thank you very much for your work. Well, when you put it like that, I can't say now. If an ET being traveled from thousands of light years away, I can certainly travel probably under a thousand miles, but I'm very grateful for you. I really appreciate you coming here and all your kind words and you're clearly very sincere and earnest. And was there was there anything else strange about the bacteria that's worthy of noting? No, what I want to bring attention to is that the dojanini brought up the possibility a year ago of performing the exclamation of the remains of the soldier to see if it's possible to trace the bacteria, to investigate it more thoroughly, and with regards to its virulence, its DNA, that is, if it is possible, but to study the remains, rather the DNA of the remains of the soldier. But wasn't there something about it? Yeah, because I heard it yesterday. Yeah, yeah. The doctor Eola was talking about it as well, that there was some sort of genetic, it looked like there was some sort of genetic engineering done to the bacteria. Was there some sort of genetic engineer who was the professor of the subject? Maybe he can even talk to us via video about it in person. He also gave a statement that's really good. It's better to talk to the dojanini. I'll pass it on. We'll talk to him. He gave a really good statement. Because James, do you think the bacteria might have been manipulated or edited and so on? I'm just saying what was told me on that as scientists, but he said he's done thousands and thousands of these things. He's never seen any bacteria behave in the way that it behaved. And I believe he said it was a strain that's found on earth rarely, but that it behaved in a way that he'd never seen bacteria. It was an evolution of a bacteria that he'd never seen on earth. Amazing. Okay. Well, to be continued, high virulence, high pathogenicity, with very rapid lethality. And this is coming from the minister of health who was appointed to basically protect bargenia during the pandemic. So obviously, you have, I think, the background to say such things. The pandemic. Yes. Three, four years ago. Dr. Armando, thank you. Really appreciate you. James, in typical James Fox form, has sacrificed himself. We were going to do a one-on-one interview, but we're kind of pressed for time. You can get me anytime. Who cares? Well, I just want to, I just want to close out and saying that your selflessness, just generally in this field, is extremely rare. I think it's the reason that I always, when people ask, you know, are we ever going to get like concrete evidence? I say, you know, I'm not sure, but I hope James gets it. If we do, because you are doggedly persistent, you've been back to Brazil over the past 15 years and multiple times. Oh, is there three times last year? And I'll be there again in a week. It's incredible. And you, again, because we sat down a few weeks ago, you sang, you know, just interview them. It's very typical of your orientation towards all of this stuff, which is always give it away, give it to the community. It's for the world. And so I truly, I can't thank you enough, because you teed all of this off. And this is, this is going to be a beautiful piece. And hopefully new information for the Western world on this, you know, there's not much more than I think, you know, I can do beyond your amazing documentary, but I think seeing them in kind of a long form podcast format with another, you know, semi-trusted voice. I think, I think, you know, we'll be, we'll be helpful in what you're doing in DC as well, with all of them. I think we'll, we'll hopefully just add fuel to the fire and momentum to this whole, this whole cause. So so grateful to you and Alini who's here as well. And yeah, I don't even know it. And go watch moment of contact. And go watch, go watch both moments of contact. Go watch this latest one is incredible. The footage you got is just remarkable, especially with Italian Venturelli, but also with Dr. Janini who you, you know, work closely with. You have all of these guys who let you cannot their credentials and stature and backgrounds are unimpeachable. And you have them in tears broken down about this experience. And you like you said, it's you're talking about, you know, 15 to 20 total witnesses. If you're talking about it, you know, ships and bodies. So, I'm so, so grateful for you. Oh, hey, I appreciate it. I appreciate your contribution, your continued contribution and your continued investigations and support. We're in this together. Okay, Marco. Jesse, I love you. Everybody's very happy, Jesse. I love you.