“I Smash My Face Daily!” Looksmaxer Exposes The Extreme Methods He Uses to Look Perfect│Dragomaxxer

Make sure you're holding firmly. You can hit your side-goes, you chin, or your brow ridge. The areas are more preferred. Today's guest represents the most extreme form of self-improvement. Your average college kid studying computer science, his worldview completely shifted after a long distance relationship fell apart. Now, all of a sudden I see a picture of her with two frat guys and she's lying about whether she had asked for their Snapchat or not. How could you do this to me? My bad fucking hideous that I deserve this. This led him to stumble into an online community that would send him down a rabbit hole of drug cocktails, bone smashing, and other methods to maximize his looks. I'd never think that I'd have more than like a handful of people to even talk to this about. Now, there's random kids I know about it and that are mentioning me and how I, oh my god, he knows clovicular, oh my god, like, what peptide should I take? It's like, what the fuck? In this episode, we'll explore the underground communities shaping the minds of young men. The question my teenagers are treating their bodies like science experiments and expose the dark side of Jinz's obsession with perfection. What's the most toxic belief in the looks, maxing community? The dark pill, probably. The walk, Drago. Welcome to the Jack Neil podcast. It's a pleasure. A good place to start here. You see everyone in the news talking about bone smashing. It's this sensationalized headline to kind of discredit some of the stuff that looks maxes talk about. But what is bone smashing? It's just, it's a method that looks maxes used that's based on wolf's law. And it's essentially just a way to increase your bone mass, not very significantly, have done naturally. But one paired with the right, you know, stack of steroids at the right dosages and done consistently, it can lead to pretty substantial results, especially when done in your, you know, sigros, your chin and even your introrbital and your brow ridge. So that's a method that's used for that. But also before going out clubbing for a slight pump as the gyms people might say, we can see it in, you know, UFC fighters. Their, their shins are multiple times stronger than the average human beings from all the blunt trauma after several, several, several strikes. The bone just ossifies and is stronger and just, it's denser and there's more volume of it. So it's, it's 100% true. The only thing that's argued about is whether it's actually a beneficial thing to do or a look smacks aesthetically because of the fact that blunt trauma is very difficult to apply consistently at the, on the same spot. So the growth is not going to be perfectly symmetrical. Their faces are actually more defined. Is that because of like the trauma that they're getting from fighting each other? One, yes, the, the strikes to the face do 100% over time and do some growth. I definitely believe so and you can, you know, see it in the fighters. But there's also the aspect of genetic pre-determinism. You can also, it's the same argument that's meat for swimmers, right? A lot of people say swimming, at least it looks maxing, you should swim because it will widen your clavicles. All the swimmers you see, they have Y clavicles long wing spans. So then you rebuttal with either waistbands long because they've been swimming their entire life or that they become the most elite swimmers because they were, you know, blessed with wider clavicles and longer wing spans. So specifically for the fighter, it is part of the wolf's love, but it's also more likely that most of the top fighters you see had the bell-brow ridges, which help protect your eyes. You know, their inforbitals are more protruded. Their jaw is better developed because they had better hormonal provost growing up, which makes them better athletes. It's a little bit of both at the end of the day. Can you show me how to bone sparse? Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't have a hammer, which would be the preferred thing, but when out of a hammer, you can always resort through your knuckles. It won't be as efficient, but I'll do the trick for demonstrations purposes. First thing you want to do is you want to make sure you brace your head. A lot of people make the mistake of not bracing their head, and that's how you can very quickly develop CT or just kill your brain cells for no reason, because in order to get gains from bone smashing, this is a consistent thing you have to do very, very frequently. So if you're going to be punching yourself with your fist or with a hammer every day, make sure you're bracing your head. So you'll brace, make sure you're holding firmly, and then you can hit your side goes, you chin, or your brow ridge, the areas are more preferred. Right now I'm going to do side goes just for demonstrations purposes. These are what we often do before going out just to get a slight pump apart from the long-term effects. This is not recommended to the audience, but that's not going hard enough by the way, guys, but I'm not going to full-on smash my face, but how hard would you hit yourself? You'd want to simulate almost a full strike. The problem with the fist though is if you want to hit hard enough to create the same effect as a hammer, you have to actually like wind up and hit and that goes back to the point I made. How accurate can you be hitting the exact same spot with your fist? At least with the hammer, since it's more control like that, you can create a much more predictor result. Actually, it's something I've seen recently as some of these younger kids, they're side-to-side bone smash, they're using the sash guns. Massage guns? Massage guns, because I mean, a machine doing it is probably as close as you're going to get to a very repeatable back and forth motion smashing in the same area. I want to ask you, do you think bone smashing is the craziest thing that looks back to us do? No, the reason I think bone smashing isn't that extreme is to me, I just think of it as if I've been, if I was doing it on martial arts or any sort of fighting sport, I'd be doing something similar anyways, but in terms of what I think is crazier, I mean, just the combination of drugs, the drug cocktails that a lot of these looks max your's take because you have to factor in the drugs you take for a better physique, the drugs you take to reverse the side effects from the drugs you're taking for the better physique. Now you're thinking about the drugs you're taking for a better cognition and for better brain function overall. And then apart from trying to become smarter and having better brain cognition, a lot of these looks matches, they're very high anxiety shy people because they come from a background of insecurity and insult them. So they'll also stack on other drugs that are meant to lower your anxiety. Some of these can be very, very addictive drugs like Zaxx and Brigadlin. So you're pairing all these drugs with other drugs that have all these effects and you're trying to mitigate the effects by adding other drugs on top of them. Honestly, punching your face a couple of times a day seems a lot less harmful long term that these mixes that you're having so many young kids do it nowadays with the effects of two drugs together and how they react in your body. Those are very often studied, right? But when you keep adding more and more and more and more, you're just adding more variables that could completely over. Those combinations that a lot of these looks match are doing are very experimental. It's what's so fascinating about the community is a lot of them are essentially guinea pigs because no one's really doing this in medicine. It's considered either not worth their time or too extreme. So we don't know a lot of the effects yet. That seems a lot more crazy to me. Interesting. So, Dr. Go what drugs do you take in a day? I was a lot worse about this before. Thankfully, I've soared up quite a bit. Unfortunately, dabbled with, you know, I was taking it pretty consistently, functionally though. I mean, maybe saying I'm coping, but I was generally trying to use it to be as productive as possible. Dabbled a little bit with the effects and, you know, you know, it's probably the worst because that's one viral. That's how my parents found out I was doing drugs. I K-holded and I had to get carried out of the club by three different people elevated into the sky and thrown into a car. But yeah, those three drugs were probably the worst ones I took that were recreational. But those are no more. The ones that 100% do still take and have added recently are premable and tests that I've been taking for a while. You know, that's always the basis of any looks maxed. You don't have the testosterone. It's vital. So 180 tests, 180 Primo. I just went up from 5MG Anivore to 25MG. Obviously, we got out the red at your tide. Godlike, jog. It's exploding everywhere for a reason. You know, it's very, very efficacious doing 5MG's of that. I just recently did two courses of MT2. Although I do tan very easily. It's worth my time to just tan two days, pin MT2 and then being tan enough, then, you know, not using it. And then I added three. I use GH Staley and I'm on 0.5 MG to test right and 2.5 MG in oxal daily as well to mitigate any hair loss that could be induced by Andrew Jens and the steroids that I'm taking. So kind of give me what each one does exactly. Like what's the result from each one? Test 180. This is considered like higher TRT. It's honestly, like all the dosages that I'm going to be saying are very moderate. Some people are probably going to call it like, why not go higher? But you have to understand that these are not bodybuilding cycles or stabs. These are looks maxing stacks. And that's why I chose this combination specifically. The test is essential. It's the base. You need a test base whenever you're taking steroids. That's what keeps you at least a level to maintain that's going to not shut you down. Then the primo and anavar are going to give you a dry, hard look. That's a very aesthetic. It's a more desirable look for girls in my opinion than a lot of these. these people that will do higher test dosages and add other compounds and turn into almost a water buffalo. You know, we want to avoid blow at all costs when we're running trend. So those could be the hard and try look. Then the GH is super, super crucial for body recomposition. - GH, kiss you? - No, no, a growth hormone. - Growth hormone, okay, GH. - Yeah. Growth hormone, you will notice the difference so quickly your body composition after adding it. I just recently added it again after three months of not having it. It makes burning fat so much easier and maintaining the low body fat. You're just, the liposis gets up regulated and it makes it a lot easier to stay aesthetic. Then the red atruthide, you know, to suppress your appetite and upregulate your metabolism. Empty two, get two tan. And then the other drugs are all to basically minimized side effects from the ones previously said, detast ride, to block the HD conversion type one and type two. A lot of people take finasteride, but that doesn't block type two, which is what makes your collagen decrease. And people like ignoring that, it will never cease to like amaze me. Your health indicators are extremely important. The same way that your hairline is life as a man, your skin quality on steroids is extremely extremely important. You're there's no point in having an aesthetic physique if you look like a wrinkled razor. What's a looks maxi you do that most people don't agree with? I guess like even what's something you do that Clav doesn't do? Do you do IGF one? Yes, I did IGF one a lot more frequently than Clav. Honestly, Clav doesn't even do GH anymore. I don't think he's become, he's a lot more conservative with a lot of dosages, which makes sense. I mean, we don't really work out as much anymore. So the jug exposure is, it makes sense to minimize it. If you're not going to be making the most of it. But in terms of what I do specifically that Clav doesn't, honestly, we're pretty evenly matched. He's got me be in some aspects of looks maxing that are more suited for your brain. For example, like his medication, N-Sam, that's something that I've been looking into about and pulled the trigger. He's on N-Sam? Yeah. In terms of some of the methods, like what are some looks maxing methods you experimented with in the past? Thumb pulling was one of the first things that I really, like when I'll end for in 2023 when I join the forums. What is that? What? Thumb pulling? Essentially you put your two thumbs on your palate, your upper palate. You're going to fit them in words and you want to push upwards and outwards. So essentially mimic what a palate expanded would do. An actual instrument. However, like with a bone smashing, the amount of force that you're using with your hands in the directions are never going to be as exact as with an actual tool. So the effects themselves are already argued, but what people argue above that is even if the effects are working, you could just figure yourself and create more asymmetries by thumb pulling if you're using your two thumbs. Everyone is slightly-- What's the purpose of it? To expand your upper palate. And why is that good? A wider upper palate is essentially one of the most important features that you want to be attracted because it creates a much better OG curve for your zygos will be more projected outwards and upwards, which is what we want. Your facial width to high ratio will be improved as well. And it's how you get that wanted, Halley Wood, 8 to 10 tooth smile. All these people that you see-- 8 to 10 teeth smile. 8 to 10 teeth smile. Yeah, that's the ideal amount of teeth that you want to show when you smile. A lot of people in narrow palettes only have a 6 to 2 smile. That's the easiest way to tell. And you'll see darkening around the corners of their mouth because the teeth will be further inwards at the edges. So when you smile, let me see. I don't have a 2 smile, for example. Oh, interesting. Narrow palate. And not only that, asymmetrical palate. So that would have been worsened by the thumb pulling. That's why I quickly stopped after doing more research on it when I started. So is thumb pulling effective? I don't think it's a good idea. There's some people in the community that really push for it. But I just don't think it's worth the risk. Yes, you may create a little bit of space and growth. But asymmetries are extremely important to avoid. What else have you tried? What else have I tried? Soft tissue is very important still for your face. Bone structure, obviously it's king. But there's a lot of exercises that you'd see on the forums, or even in YouTube, facial yoga is what it's called, where you could hold certain areas and exercise your lower eyelid, for example, or the certain areas of your mouth. And it's supposed to create maybe a slightly tighter lower eyelid, or more symmetrical brow inclination. Because-- So can you give yourself a hunter-auss? Is that what they're called? Yeah. You can try to fraud them by doing something like this. But true hunter-auss are cost by having extremely well-developed, not in forward super orbitals. I mean, in forward-auss as well. But the super orbitals is what people are commonly thinking about when they will hunterize. Like, Sean O'Pry, his super orbitals are extremely, extremely striking and projected. And that's why he has that stare. So the thing that you can just do some eye exercises and do that is quite comical. One of the ones that I did experiment with and I do think is worth people's time is eye exercises in the realm of following fingers and so on like that. Because although these are often used to train your eyesight, having a slightly lazy eye can still affect the appearance of it. When you're looking around your lids are still going to change how tight they're going to be, especially when you're looking up a straight in direction. So these are definitely something that I tried. I didn't really check the results. I stopped after a while because I realized the changes can be so minimal, rather just get in forward with implants or under eye fat graphs, just save up and pull the trigger on that. - What looks maxing methods actually work? Like in terms of the bone smashing, thumb pulling, is there anything that you still do consistently? - Yeah, yeah. I think the most important method is taking the right drugs. Believe it or not, taking the right drugs and doing the right surgeries are the biggest return on investment things you can do. - What's the one drug you think everyone should take? - testosterone. There's a reason why the warning label has been removed from it. People are realizing that it is the future, honestly, with the amount of things are in our food, processed foods, everything we touch, Michael plastics. They're all affecting our natural testosterone. If we lived in an ideal society where this wasn't the case, then maybe I wouldn't be such a huge proponent for testosterone, but that's unfortunately not how we're operating. So anyone in the US specifically, I think, should have, if we pull the trigger at a certain age. - Break that down from me. So you said the warning labels removed. What do you mean? - Before that testosterone, a warning label issued by the FDA, which essentially just warns the user that, you know, there is significant enough side effects for dangerous things that can happen from ingesting this medicine or drug. It's essentially going to put in the same classes other medicines that the average Joe would take. Instead of being cutter as something extremely, extremely like out of reach and dangerous. - What would you say is the most important moment from your life for us to know who you are? - Random question really quick. Have you ever looked up if the shampoo you're using can disrupt your hormones? 'Cause if you're like me, you probably didn't know that over 70% of men's grooming products have chemicals that can disrupt your endocrine system or your testosterone levels. Now, I care a lot about my health, but I didn't really think any healthy products could make my hair look good. So that's why I was so glad I met the guys at-base. 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What would you say is the most important moment from your life for us to know who you are? - Honestly, when I was a doxed by the people from the forum, simply for China improve myself and being kind to other people, it was probably the lowest stage of my life ever. Like I thought everything was done for. I thought I was gonna get expelled simply from being associated to these groups. There were people in the community that sent my name, my family's information, published it online, leaking various sensitive information of people I was with, saying slurrs, stuff like that. Threading. to send it to my college, just trying to send it to my dad's workplace, things of that nature. So I fully thought my life was over. It's kind of a similar situation to what happened to a clubicular. You know, when that happened to me, I actually reached out. And the first thing I said to him is like, it's not as bad as you think it's ever going to be. Like most of the suffering that happened to me from that was all mental and self-induced. Like I would do all my classes thinking I would get expelled. Nothing ended up happening. So I just essentially spent the entire semester rotting and reflecting and trying to think of what I should learn from this. And eventually what the conclusion I came to is that I didn't actually do anything wrong in the way I operated for me to have gone in docs. I was just, I was very jaded right when it happened because I was a very kind person in the community. And I still got the doxing and the harassment that happened afterwards and all the threats. So I was like, you know what, this, I'm done being nice. Like nice people always get stepped on. But then after more time went on, I was like, why would I stoop down to their level? Like, this is exactly the type of people in this community that I need to make an example out of and show why they're not the actual, you know, leaders of what this means, of what the face of looks, maxing or even the plaque police supposed to be about. So from that moment forward, I really just like became very concrete of my feeling about the never give up and it's never over. It's the complete opposite of the same. They always say, which is it's over, it's over, it's over. And I just, it's never over because I thought it was completely over. They would, they would spam that message to me every day. It's over for you. It's over you. They put in the doxies. Oh, you thought you're getting over, it's over for you. It's over for you. What are the doxies? They doxed me because they wanted to dox a different girl that they thought was talking to me. So essentially, they doxed me just as leverage to scare her to really more information. So I was essentially just a side, side victim or side piece that got put in a mix. And what they wanted to dox her? Just because they hate woman. They were, they were like woman hating in cells. She was one out of the two only girls in the, in the server that we were in. And she honestly was unbearable like I did not like this person either, but one of the things they would tell me is like, okay, we won't dox you if you tell us all the information you know about her. And I was like, I don't know it, but I, even if I did, like I wouldn't do it to another human being. And so I think it was a very defining factor and just like wanting to be the light in such a negative community. And people like Keishanmi, I think are great examples of that as well. He really was able to make the most out of all the knowledge that is in there, mixed with all the shit and, you know, negative energy. You know, he got a lot of shit for his business and there was then repackaging information. But I think what he did was honestly a service to a lot of young men. He prevented them from needing to step into such a dark place full of negativity to find valuable information to improve their lives. And then, you know, made it easily accessible to them. And I think we need more of those people in the looks of the vaccine community. I think clav, although many people may think is not like that, is quickly showing that he is and slowly becoming more and more so. You know, because he's very young. He's learning a lot and he's learning quick. And I think he's really like understanding his position as this positive role model in, you know, this mainstream community that just came out of nowhere, you know, we've run from a niche community to mainstream over a couple months. What do most people not understand about the dark origins of looks-maxing? I mean, people don't realize just how long people have been in this little subculture posting and sharing very niche information with each other for because of how, you know, critical they were. I'm making sure no one else found out about it. They were trying to gatekeep this from as many people as possible. That's why the whole community and, you know, subculture was up in arms when Dylan, Latham and Keishanmi really brought it to the light. And it was generally a huge, huge thing. I mean, it's obviously exploded way more even now, but the first initial, like, on gatekeeping of the subculture was like, I mean, people were out to get him. Like, they were absolutely furious borderline like homicidal feeling about someone releasing this information to a public. Oh, the normies can't know about this, you know. Now it's unfair. Like, we need this edge. They wanted a cakey because, you know, you can understand from their viewpoint, they feel like they're oppressed and their life is so difficult. This is the thing they found. This thing that no one else knows about and this information that is so gate-kept that can finally help them, you know, level the playing field or even surpass their peers. And now it just got thrown out to everyone else. And then in recent, in the last couple months, every single person knows about it. Everyone's looks maxing. Everyone knows what mocking is. Did you used to hate Keishanmi and Dolatham? I was a little bit pissed off about how Dylan was going about it. Honestly, I thought I was like, I was like, this mother, bro. Like, why is he doing this? Why is he doing this? Like, how does he possibly benefit? And I was like, you know what, like, why do I care that other people can now improve themselves? Like, that's like the opposite of an abundance mindset, you know? And like, I, that's why the craps in the book of mentality is legitimately the main feeling you're going to get from the looks max form is everyone just wants to keep you down. They're not going to wish you the best when you ascend. They're going to, you know, say you're frothing, say you're faking this. You didn't do this. You're fake, oh, you're coping. This isn't true. You still look like shit. You're never going to look better. And it's like, I didn't want to continue playing into that. So after a certain amount of time post Dylan post the, the forum, I was like, you know, what, this is, this is probably for the better. You know, having Kay published so much knowledge about it in a much more accessible format and like positive is like, this is good. You know, every single notable member of the looks max forum has had people attend to docks them. You know, clavicular has been, they have done a docks in for so long, they had to, they docks be pretty quickly. Three other my friends that are notable users, they are made new mo and some others also tried docks and like is they'd post their assumptions and them improving on how their lives had improved and the amount of jealousy and bitter in cell rage that would be just proven aiding through those forums. They couldn't believe that someone could be accessing the same knowledge as them, but actually improving their life with it. Because instead of self reflecting on me like, wait, I could do this too. It's a lot easier to just not believe it's real or make it not be real anymore. The first time I did the podcast with Kay Shammy, I even didn't bring up the word like looks maxing form or anything because like, he was like, dude, they'll attack you. Like docks you and stuff, but it's really interesting how mainstream it's become and it was something that was so gate kept for so long. It's kind of funny how that works, but yeah, Drago, your real name is Yoritz. I think people watching this podcast might have seen you kind of on streams with clavicular. They might have watched your content that you started posting recently. I think there's a lot of mystery to you and who you are, but how did you meet clavicular eventually? I met him directly on the forums. It's how I met Zeta as well. Another very known looks, Max, the few users that would actually apply knowledge and try to help other people by sharing it or posting their results, which would be like people like me, clavicular, Zeta. We'd find each other very quickly because you'd see Ida and you'd acknowledge the balls, honestly, that it would take to post yourself in a place like that knowing that these people are going to be bitter and jealous and try to, you know, keep over. But also the fact that even knowing that these people want nothing but bad shit to happen to you, you're still providing information to try to help them, hoping that maybe they'll change someday. But yeah, I met him on the forums and I started getting his TikToks popping up on my feed. His old username used to be Mark Byhammer, actually. Marked By Hammer. Yeah, Marked By Hammer. That's what that was his username when I first was interacting with him. And so I just sent him a DM and I said, wait, is this your TikTok account? Because I just want to double check. I had been talking to him on the forum already, but I wasn't 100% serious. I was like, actually, him or so on large being SM. So double check, send the message because of that. And we just send a couple other messages and from that point forward, he invited me to a Discord server that had all the notable figures. Andrew Jenick, who's another very popular looks, Max, you're an streamer now, was also on there. And it just became like this little community of, you know, well respected, knowledgeable guys that were willing to, you know, do the weird looks, Max, you shit and be public about it. So that's kind of a how our relationship started. And like I mentioned earlier, we really got a lot closer when he got docs as well. Because he was aware that it had happened to me already. So I just, he came to me for advice about it. And after a year and a half, which is a long time with just Discord messaging about looks Maxing bullshit. It's like very autistic stuff, you know, us doing pediothreads, which are, you know, certain procedures where you stick a needle here and you can increase the cost. production in certain areas to create like a temporary volume boost. So we'd send even stuff like that, just pinning ourselves with a wish-shade in our face and a year and a half later, you can do that. Does it only work on your face? No, no, you can do them on, this was a very interesting thread that Clavicular Ray. He tried them on his Montpírus, which is the area right above your dick to try to increase some non-Bompress length penis size. That's fascinating. Yeah. That led to us meeting in person, which was kind of where everything took off. He legitimately just tagged me on this, we said, "Yo, I'd draw go. I'm going to Miami. Let's meet up." And we met in Miami, he did his first RL stream, we did it together. We just, we went on a four-day bender, no sleeping, doing way too many drugs. Everyone loved it. We had a blast, and shortly after that, he went back home for a week and we all moved together in LA, me, Clav, and Charlie. That's where we met you shortly after with K-Shami, Cookie, and everyone else. That's crazy, man. Yeah. It was so strange, because I did a podcast with K-Shami, and then we lost the audio from it. And then the second one we did, something got messed up with it. And then we did a third one, and this was like over six months times. Yeah, I remember. And then eventually we just became friends, because we filmed so many fucking podcast together that he was like, "Yo, you want to go out with these guys?" I was like, "Who the hell is Clav?" Good times in Barley, man. It's a good night. Yeah. But it was so part of seeing you guys. I was like, "Who the fuck is this six-foot six guy?" And then who is this guy that looks like Zac Efron? Who's this other dude that's like, "Childrens are like white as fuck, Clav?" But that's a good times, man. I want to ask you, why did you start looks maxing originally? The algorithm chose me, I guess. Some people got lucky to have it appear a lot more frequently in 2023 back when the model edits were happening. But I just don't think everyone realized exactly what it was like signaling. The fact that these two super famous models were all of a sudden taking over TikTok. All the edits that you'd see would be Chico and Jordan just logging. It's like, "Why are they everywhere?" They were, it's because they're so attractive, right? And I got a video of a PSL God edit, PSL God's edit, which PSL Gods are essentially like the group of models or chads that looks, Max, just referred to as the best looking. It's essentially their idols. It was an edit of all of these guys and the caption had a Discord channel in there. That's really where everything started. I was just investigating how to look better because I felt like I looked a lot uglier than I ever did before in my life. I was getting treated worse because of it. My girlfriend at the time was taking longer to reply, treating me with less respect, doing things that she shouldn't be doing. She'd testing more than she should have been. I previously would have tried to cope that, "Oh, my game was wrong." This or that. But because of the amount of looks-related things that were getting just bombarded on my page, something just clicked. I was like, "Wait, I'm just an ugly ass f***er right now." She wasn't doing this when I was with her in college and I was working out every day, taking care of my diet. My skin wasn't shit. My hair was peaking. It was right, it was blonde or I was tanning. Everything was just better. I looked horrible and now I'm getting treated worse. That happened at the exact time as the looks maxing at its blowing up and it just made me look deeper and I fell down to rabbit hole. Tell me more about the situation with your the girl you were dating. What happened exactly? Essentially, we were about to fully tie the knot officially date, but it was summer. I was going to go into Italy for an internship. I was like, "Let's just be exclusive, not officially dating." When I come back, I will ask you out, "Ligit, take you out and pass you to my girlfriend." I don't see a point asking my girlfriend the day that I'm leaving to Italy. Let's just see how this goes and be mutually exclusive. Right when I met her before summer, I was probably the best looking that had been during that era of my life. I just finished pledging. I was working out a lot. It's a lot of physical exercise that you do. I wasn't eating as much. I was a leaner. My hair looked good and I was tan from being outside a lot. She obviously found me attractive and that's why I started talking. Italy just everything went to shit. Obviously, you would still send her pictures of myself. You would think that something as small as that, just like selfies, slowly worsening looks, being able to affect her behavior that much. When she started taking her long to respond or show them her attitude and all of a sudden, she's going to parties frequently, which she wasn't before. Now, all of a sudden, I see a picture of her with two frat guys. She's lying about whether she had asked for their snapchat or not. That was just the breaking point. I was like, "What the fuck? Am I that fucking hideous that I deserve this?" It sounds crazy to say, "Why would a hideous person deserve that regardless?" No one deserves that in general. It's subconscious in our mind that when someone is uglier, you can get away with fucking with them or you can respect them less. When I realized that that's what was happening to me, I was so angry. Anger at the fact that I had to let myself stoop to that point of looks and let her essentially humiliate me. That was something that was fully my control. If I had kept my looks at the same level or even better, the positions would have been reversed. I would have had technically more power over her now because she would have been respecting me even more than when we had just started seeing that I'm improving. You were more attractive when you met her and then you started getting less attractive. Why? I was just super depressed, but being alone all the way across the country seeing all my friends party while I was just interning in a apartment with four roommates that were 15 years older than me. I'd just go to the office and all my coworkers were 15 years older than me and I had nothing fun to do. I'd just go to work and I'd come back home and I'd watch YouTube. What internship were you doing? I was doing a data science internship and for an electric car charging company. So just a lot of time on my computer just talking to absolutely no one. And you kind of stopped working out? Yeah, I stopped working out. I was just snacking on stuff because I was stressing. The time zone difference was big enough to where I'd be obsessively looking at my phone anxiously because she wouldn't be responding or like, oh my god, wait, it's night time that she's clobbing. You know, just very insecure shit that just would pile on because I'd get insecure and then because I was insecure and anxious, I'd start eating more. I'd eat out of fucking anxiety. And then I would get more insecure because of it because I could tell that I looked worse in the pictures I was sending her and all of a sudden I'm not sending her as many pictures and it just all snowballed. And at a certain point, I just I snapped back to it. I stumbled onto a very important thread on looksmax.org. One that was essentially what changed my life. And after that, a relationship changed for the better until I cut things off with her in person when I went back to college. Did she cheat on you? I can I consider it cheating. She didn't like make out or do anything that with other people, but taking a picture with two frat guys, like holding them and then asking for their snap chats is a disgusting, in my opinion, well, you have, you know, your boyfriend, an quotation marks for a person that you want to be dating. Have we across the world just like working his ass off, like just texting like heartfelt messages saying that they miss you. I'd say that's basically cheating. So you get black cold. Yeah. You go on the forms and you see a thread. What does that thread tell you to do? It was a Rad 140 transformation thread by my friend Numo. What's that? What's Rad 140? Rad 140 is a is a charm selective Android receptor modulator. It's not it's not actually a steroids little brother, but that's probably the easiest way to explain it to the viewer. It is very, very, very, very energetic, which means that it improves your, you know, your facial your facial structure in a way, the, the main reason the thread really interested me was because this guy who was, you know, a pretty boy before with a not so masculine face suddenly spawned in a very, very robust chin. You know, something that I didn't think I had at the time either, right? I thought something that could be improved on. I was like, so this guy just took this Rad 140 star, which was, you know, a neural liquid for three months worked out a little bit. My physique was still better than his after the, the, the cycle, right? But the changes in his face were, you know, you couldn't deny them. So I was just astounded that this person had just spent $50 and grown a chin. And that that's this was available to me the entire time, but I just didn't know about it. So after seeing that, there was okay, well, if there's one golden nugget, there has to be more. What else is there that I don't know about? You know, this guy just spawn in a chin again. They spawn in, you know, better under eye support. Can I, you know, spawn in better inferorbitals, which are the bones underneath. your eyes that help you have a tight lower eyelids. So I just kept looking and I did more and more research and that's where I eventually made the decision to quit the bullshit and not just do a Rad 140 cycle but fully hop onto testosterone which is a lifetime commitment. It should be at least and it just evolved from there. - Do you have any plastic surgery? - No, I got Botox. - Botox? - Yeah, I got a lip flip, but that's not temporary, right? So it's faded now. Lip flip is where the inject Botox into your upper lip in order to turn it out a little bit more. It's to avoid having to get lip filler which for man is very difficult to do right without looking gay. And then I also got preventative Botox on my forehead just to avoid wrinkles and also to lower your eyebrows a little bit more to have a more masculine gaze. - Would you ever get plastic surgery? - Yeah, 100%. I think the biggest barrier for me has always been money and the amount of work I'd have to do and when I have the money to actually do it. 'Cause for me, getting plastic surgery at an age where everyone's gonna find out and you're already not so young whether you could enjoy all the effects of finding a partner at an early age 'cause you improved your looks. It wasn't worth it anymore, but if you were able to spawn me a million dollars right now, right? And I could get leg length of the surgery for 100K and legitimately just do nothing for an entire year 'cause just gonna use the rest of the 900K to relax, recover, get the best physical therapy possible to regain the functions of my legs. I would get it in a heartbeat. You know, do you plan on doing any of the surgeries? - I think that the amount of time it would take me to get a million dollars to afford a leg lengthening surgery would be later in my 20s, like 24, 25. So, well, not a million dollars like that, but to the point where I can just spend like a million dollars and still be comfortable, it just at that point I already wanna have a partner that I'm interested in, right? So, it would be too late. It'd have to be like right now and most people just don't have that access. - Do you think you're gonna get a double jaw surgery? - Depending on how the next months go with the growth and my income with streaming and everything else that I'm planning on doing, then I do wanna get a consultation down very soon because a big problem that I have is asymmetry from my lateral pelvic shift 'cause I have a leg length discrepancy, which means one of your legs is physically shorter than the other. Some people have a non-physical leg length discrepancy, which means that it's more functional. You can appear to have a shorter leg because your hip might be tighter on one side. But mine has always been a little bit shorter, right? So this has made my entire development be on this plane instead of this one, which has led to an asymmetrical upper palate, asymmetrical alignment. And that's something that a double jaw surgery could fix and help fix some slight maxillar recession. So for $30,000 and around six months of recovery, if I were able to afford it right now, I would. The only drawback that I have is, like you said, if we're growing really quickly and now we're blowing up, and that downtime can be maker-break for completely fucking over your virality and we're gigaviral right now. So do you think Klavel will ever get his double jaw surgery? - Yeah, I think it's just a matter of getting his fucking passport again. 'Cause he doesn't have it right now. And planning the right time to do it 'cause I personally, I wouldn't fucking, I would drag him back. I want to let him take do his fucking surgery right now. It would be a waste of time and a risk he doesn't need to take. I mean, when you really look at it, the double jaw surgery for him is a niece of his sleeve that he can use wherever he wants. And he clearly doesn't need it right now. His looks have already been at a high enough level to prove his point, which is that ascending has made his life easier. And now he's getting all this better treatment and opportunities because of it. So I think that is a good deterrent for at least waiting a little bit more to get it. But I do think he'd eventually get, I mean, he's 100% about what he talks about. - I mean, just transparently, when I did the podcast with him, I thought he was gonna get the double jaw surgery and then after, by the time I post him my podcast, he'd gone so viral that it was like, I don't think this dude's gonna have time to do it in the near future. - Yeah. - So it makes sense, but. - It's a downtime really. - Yeah. - It's interesting that looks maxing has been around so long and it's been fairly, I mean, there's levels to mainstream, right? But like K-Shami, Don't Laatham blew up in 2022, 2023 talking about it, Cookie King talked about it. Like it was still kind of niche relatively, but with Klaav, it's just in news headlines all over the world. Why do you think, "Covicular" is so viral? - Because he's the actual face of looks maxing. No shade to any of the other guys. They simply were aware of it as well and part of the community, but Klaavicular was quite literally the face of the forum when he started posting. He was the one doing the most extreme stuff and showing people how to do it, testing it out on himself, willing to take the risk and teach other people's how to take the risk themselves. So he's 100% gonna be more viral than the other guys 'cause he's doing shit, they're not willing to do. And then no one else is willing to do really. I mean, no one else on the forums was doing it at least publicly. You know, maybe they were doing it in private, but not even showing other people how to do it, but he was. He has the aspect which is he's teaching people how to do it and then the fact that no one even is like, "Balls you enough to do this to begin with." And he's out here saying people should do it. That's so strong he believes about it. I did it on myself and I'm telling you, who should do it too? 'Cause look at how it, look at where it took me and then he got so much shit for that, right? Until he ascended during that one time for him where he blew up and it was like, "Wait, maybe he was right." And that's really well pushed everything to the top 'cause they knew damn, he believes it and he just proved it. And all the nayseries just kept proving him right and right and right. 'Cause whenever they'd be hate something, they'd always attack his, "Oh, this is bad about his looks." Or this doesn't look so good about you. So you're trying to, you know, disprove him by insulting his looks, which is his main, you know, it's the main thing he's pushing on how people will completely change their like, perspective or you or their treatment of you completely just based on your looks and that's the first thing you attack. - Right. - It's like to try to, this about his message, it's extremely funny 'cause they just kept making him more viral by doing that. That just proved him more and more right. - Something to know, I think, is that when K-Shami and Dylan Latham talked about looks-maxing, they kind of talked about soft-maxing a lot. - Yeah. - I think the only technical hard-max that K-Shami talked about was Accutane, you know, just like that's the only pharmaceutical intervention. - Yeah, and even then that would still be consular soft-max to everyone else in the looks-maxing community. But for the normies and the main sheen, that's like, okay, this is like, "Wait, K, you're really recommending this?" Like, this is a negative side of that. He's like, "Okay, everything is negative side of this that we recommend on looks-max.org." - How many kids have you guys met that are doing actual looks-maxing? - Almost all of them now. - Really? - Basically, every one of them asks about peptides and that's already more experimental, I'd say, then taking Accutane. - Wow. - Yeah, you have 15-year-olds, 14-year-olds. - Have you met any kid that you're like, "Yo bro, maybe you shouldn't be hitting yourself the hammer?" - No, I don't think, at least not that I can recall right now. I don't think we've met any that like fully like, I would say like, "Oh, I always just bones mashing, but I'm sure a lot of them have like that we've met." - How does that make you feel? - Really strange, you know? 'Cause like, I'd never think that I'd have more than like a handful of people to even talk to this about just like six months ago. I talk about this with clavicular, Azeta, and maybe like two other guys. Now, just random kids start pulling up to my sister that know about it and that are mentioning me and how I, oh my God, he knows clavicular. Oh my God, like, what peptides should I take? - Do you think kids should be taking peptides? - Ah. I think it's, I think it's very beneficial to take them when you're younger, 'cause that's when you have, you know, the greatest results from them, but at the same time, kids are really stupid. You have to be the right kind of kid, be able to ego check yourself as well, 'cause I'm sure there's gonna be kids watching this right now saying, "Oh, I'm that guy, I'm that kid." This 15-year-old kid, I'm super smart. I just spread a couple threads on that, or I'm gonna do this stack and, "Oh, bro, everything's gonna come out fine." It's like, "No, trust me, there's a very, very small handful of you guys that are gonna be able to do it correctly." And that's what's important to, you know, that's why it's so important that someone, like, Clavicular has been the one to popularize it in a way, 'cause yes, there is a negative aspect of, you know, introducing these younger kids to it, but at least he was someone that had done it as a kid, as one, has done all the, you know, research and the guinea testing to disabounce certain things and push other things, and he doesn't push anything he hasn't done on himself, and he will correct himself. Like he has gone and corrected things he's done, and the past is like, "Okay, this is cold." Like don't do this anymore, for example, a thumbpoint. What's something that you stopped doing? The thumbpoint was the first thing I was like, "Okay, this is going the facial exercises as well." Those could have like minimal results, but they just weren't worth the time. At a certain point, you just have to pick the handful that you think are going to have the biggest impacts, because the mental fatigue of the amount of shit you really can get into is it does get to you. There'd be certain times where I open up my notes, I'll be like, "Okay, here's my extension plan. I'm going to get lip flip, darkened eyebrows, diylashes to get latisse to lengthen the eyelashes, start your day-to-day cycle, get a consultation for this, go to the orthodontic and ask for your invisible line, but this time ask for them to correct your cross-by. Then you start getting way, way more in depth, and at a certain point, "Okay, am I going to, I have to worry about all of these very frequently," because a lot of them aren't permanent. You're having to frequently redide your eyebrows or your eyelashes or making sure your hair is consistently got highlights in it, because it's better for your coloring or you're maintaining the correct tan. It's like, if you're going to worry about all these and also do a certain amount of facial exercises every day and the right rep ranges apart from your daily workouts that you're doing to maintain your physique, it's like it all adds on. You can't have a full-time looks-maxing job. You still have to ascend in other areas of your life. But if looks-maxing is true, isn't it pretty important? How much time do you, if we're being fair, I know you guys work all the time and you're streaming in this thing is super huge, but. It's more of a thing that you do, while I do other things, for example, technically if you're working on your maintaining good oral posture, right, you technically looks-maxing at the point, right? You're preventing yourself from developing worse mouth posture and slowly recessing yourself over time just because you're muting. But in terms of very active looks-maxing, it's really not that time-consuming if you're sticking to the main things or going to have the big results. Just like any routine that a girl would have in the morning or even just a well-groomed guy, you can line it out. For example, something that I always do is always like, "Cro my lashes after I shower and put my shirt on, make sure my eyebrows are brushed properly and groomed, plucked on the sides of the middle, make sure that. Carry some lumen fi with me, make sure your sclera is wide as the whites of your eyes, some basilene for lip moisture, make sure I'm having an adequate amount of potassium." That's something that is always on my list every day, making sure you have the right ratio of sodium to potassium. A burning sodium at all costs. You don't want to be bloating. That's honestly one of the main ones that I feel like all looks-maxes are frequently thinking about and it's on the forefront of their mind is the sodium, the bloat pills brutal. Hey, really fast. Did you guys know that we started this podcast a little over a year ago? In that time, we've had the chance to sit down with some of the best entrepreneurs in the world. But honestly, these conversations have kind of made me question everything I thought I knew about investing, saving money, or retirement. Growing up, I was taught, put your money in a 401k, get a Roth IRA, and invest in the S&P 500. But what I've realized recently is things are changing fast. Crypto's becoming really mainstream. The S&P barely outpaces inflation, and I'm the guy that was investing in it for the past few years inside of his retirement account. And if you have an existing Roth or 401k, you can transfer it over for no extra cost. But what's the difference in the S&P 500? The S&P 500 is a huge difference. More about you and some of your unique opinions and views on the world. Do you think any girls actually like dadbods? No. I don't think anything that girls say and comes out of their mouth is what they really are attracted to or believe. There's a lot of gaslighting that's going on with girls. Everything that the CEO wants him to treat me this way, then they'll be attracted to the complete opposite type of treatment. I like this type of body. You want to receive them hook up with a guy with a dadbod. It's going to be a lean athletic looking guy with all the developed facial structure. And he's probably going to be a slayer that treats them with less respect than they are going to claim they want. They're, oh, I'm worth so much. I'm worth this. I don't need a man, but I'm this independent. And then they'll get it with a guy that literally just treats them like shit and cause them sluts. They don't know what they want. They really don't, but neither do men a lot of the times. It's pretty interesting. You should go by how people act, know what they say. Because I mean, people are, they have no reason to really tell you what they feel like. Because even subconsciously, they don't want to be judged, right? But their actions will always give them away. They can't really fake that. You can't fake your attraction. You don't think people tell you the truth about how you look? I mean, we fall asleep in the comments girls leave on their fat friends, fucking Instagrams. Anything they're telling the truth? No, Slay, Queen, you look great. It's like, no, you look, you look. And you think they do that, why? Honestly, I don't know if it's like a fake nicety that they all do because then it's returned to them. And it looks nice when you have a bunch of girls just saying you look great, inflate, everyone's ego, everyone gets to inflate their ego. You know, guys don't really do that to each other. So we stay a little bit more, way more level headed, but girls from like a young age, the one that gets social media, they just bond barbed in with compliments. And I mean, what are you going to do to tell your fat friend that she looks fat? You're going to get judged for it. I mean, if a girl says that to her friend to try to genuinely help her out, she will be shunned for it. Especially a couple of years, I mean, maybe a little bit less now that people are getting a little bit less. Snowflakey and, you know, cancel culturey, but you know, she'll still get shit on for the most part. You know, you're going to get a proper star of maxed. Yeah. I'm star of maxing right now. What does that mean to you? Eating as little as possible, or just not eating it all for a whole day, which is often done by suppressing your appetite with certain, you know, drugs. For example, reddit, reddit, true tide, how it's stimulant, I mean, the suppresses your appetite, but when I'm like full on star of maxing, like I'll just take my doctor's ADHD prescription. I'll try to save it up a couple days. I don't take it on the weekends or Wednesday. So some days I can take two. Yeah, it's normally in preparation for some sort of a event where you have to be peaking. I mean, models do it. It's, you know, the term star of maxing just, it's got a very negative connotation to it, because actually starving is a negative thing. But all models do it when getting ready for a big event, or a big fashion, fashion show, or a big shoe. Because I mean, it's not maintainable, but if it's a one time event where like you're going to take an image that's going to be captured, you're going to look better by doing it. If you were going to walk on New York Fashion Week, what would you do to prepare? Three days before I'd have a lot of like high-bought, bearing, nutritious food, and then the two days leading up to it, I'd have like, berry little food. And then the day right before I'd have nothing to eat and try to flush out as much liquid as possible. I'm sure you probably, I mean, I'm not tapped into the model world to that extent. But I'm sure that apart from naturally flushing waters out, you probably use diuretics as well to really push over the edge. I mean, that's just what sells for them, I guess. Just to look as good as possible in general. Like would you get a tan, like what would be all the things, yeah? Well, the first thing you need to find out is your phenotype, and what kind of archetype you fall into as a guy or as a girl. The best way to do this is find a model you look like or an actor you look like, and try to mimic their hairstyle, their coloring as closely as possible. Like for example, if you find an actor and he has the same head shape as you, same color eyes, odds are you're going to want to mimic their hair color and their hair cut, and their skin coloring as well. So for the most part, everyone's going to benefit from a tan. It's a very attractive feature. Well, I'm going to sexually attract it to it. But there are some instances where people are better off being a little bit pale, because there's three types of colorings. There's silver coloring, bronze coloring, and then golden coloring. We would have more what's golden coloring. We'll have the blonde hair. We can have tan and then blue eyes. Bronze coloring is more so what you'd expect from, you know, like Mediterranean's, so spaniards and at times brown hair, brown eyes, and still also a tan. And then silver coloring is more so what you'd expect from like a saltec people like Ian Songaholder maybe a black hair striking blue eyes and more pale skin color. Celtic people. Yeah. So like if you're Irish, right? Yeah. Exactly. Most North Atlantic people are Irish. But Sean O'Pry, Ian Songaholder, I'm pretty sure has Irish admixture as well. I'm Irish in British. Oh, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. If you died, your hair black, we're like, let it darken out. You'd have the same coloring right now. - You think my coloring would be better if I'd dye my hair black? - No. - You got Tanner? - No, I think like me, you'd tan with the blonde woods, probably suits you better. - Yeah, I think so. - Where are you from originally? - Spain, which is ironic, 'cause I just said I met its Iranians have the bronze coloring, but I happened to come out a golden, I guess. We had North of Spain, specifically the bass country, which is this little, very, very little area in the border of Spain and France. There's four regions in Spain and three in France. It's called bass country, but it's not actually a country because they didn't, they haven't allowed us to get in our independence, but that's why my name's a little bit odd. You're its I-O-R-I-T-Z, it's not a Spanish thing. - What's your last name? - Igileor. - What's it? - Igileor, E-G-U-I-L-E-O-R. - Huh. Interesting. - And then what did they call you, "Dragoh?" - "Dragoh Maxter" is the username that I choose for my second account on looksmax.org. Because after I was dogged, I had to delete my first one. - What was the first one? - It's over Leon. - It's what? - It's over Leon, Leon asked Kennedy the character for Resident Evil. So when I joined, I was also a doomer. Like the same guy as I said, I didn't want to be like anymore after that certain point. I just, it's over. Everyone would say that phrase. It would just resonate with me at the time, especially because when I made the first account was when my girlfriend at the time was, you know, fucking me over. So obviously I was on my sad boy, sad boy era. But the second account was right when I was like, I was more like an uplifted spirit. I was getting a shitson of edits of a "Bulf Loan" grin with Ivan Dragoh in a Rocky. And heave to me was like the full package like Mogre. He was like giga chat. He has like 150 IQ, chemical engineer and PhD, famous actor, black belt karate, Mogs, you know, just good looking overall, 65 in St. physique. Like he had like the, not even the trial, like the Trinity or whatever the combination of all the things you could want as a man to succeed in as many aspects as possible. So I just put Dragoh Max here, because we have to be like, how do I go in Dragoh? It's crazy that it has 150 IQ too. Yeah, maybe slightly lower, but he, very high IQ. I know it's super high, I've seen that before, but. I think it's two PhDs, not even just one. It's pretty ridiculous. Damn, he's life maxed. Do you, do you put a lot of importance on IQ? Yeah, I, even though I'm really focusing on the streaming thing right now, I would, I really want to go into cybersecurity in the terms of like my professional life. Like I want to use all the money that I am able to hopefully make when next year is streaming and entertaining people on making people laugh and use that to fund my company eventually, because that's what I'm majoring in right now. I'm still in school. And I'm still in school. Yeah, yeah. It was a C computer science major, but I really just fell in love with high security. I transferred to online, so I could, you know, still stream and live with a clavicular and get my degree. And, you know, it's, it's kind of like in grind. I'm not going to lie. It's a really easy college. Yeah, dude, this is the first podcast guest for someone's in college. Actually, yes. Fuck, yeah, last semester. It's a, it's less, less push. Oh my god. Yeah. So what, I think we should also give people context too of how many hours have you been up for? So I just came here straight after ending a 19 hour stream where we started at, I think, 8 p.m. And no, I think we started earlier. I don't know. We started sometime in the afternoon. 19 hour stream came straight here, you know, podcast back to back. And then when I get back, I have to start stream again. And the day before that, I streamed for, I think, like, 15 hours as well. So I've slept a combined eight hours the last four days, I think, something like that. But, you know, right now we're viral. So you have to put your head down and just fucking grind. You have to grind. And what I'm realizing with all the guys who come up is just, like, it really is about putting in the fucking work. There's been so many podcast guests where people don't see the opportunity, you know, it's like, I'm like, hey, I'm in this area. Dude, I was in Miami. I just posted a story with Klaav. He's the biggest streamer in the world right now, arguably. And I texted other people. I'm like, hey, you want to do a podcast? And they're like, yeah, we can maybe do it next week. I'm like, bro, just like come over here and film something. It's, I don't know. Yeah, you're gonna see the boom. And that's exactly how I feel about it right now. It's like, yes, I'm, you know, putting strain in my body and negatively affecting my health. But it's like, there's a lot of shit to be done. And, you know, extraordinary, like, results, take extraordinary measures. And because of the long hours that I've been putting in, I've been able to get the attention of, you know, bigger streamers, obviously, being friends with a clinical help, so that as well. But I've gotten a recognition for the amount of hours I'm putting in and it's really helping, you know, grow really, really quick. I mean, I've been streaming for 10 days and we've already got getting 1,000 viewers on average. So it's really good. - Do you think you're healthy? - Not right now, but give me like three days of rest and I'll be healthy-ish. You know, I haven't gotten my blood markers checked. I'm gonna do that soon and I just quit vaping. So I am on a upward trajectory apart from the no sleeping. But I do want to health max, you know? - You do care about your health? - Yeah, yeah. I don't want to make my friends worry about my health to a crazy degree. I mean, obviously they already worry from the steroids, but when you are adding on more shit on top of that, it's like, okay, steroids, I'm not letting go 'cause those actually make you look better, but I can definitely go like the vaping and the other bullshit that is just out of, you know, just it's just the vice. It doesn't actually ascend me in any way. - What's the biggest difference in the way that people treat you since you've looked better? - They just respect you more. They wanna hear you out. All the advice you give them, no matter what it could be about, it's just more valid to them. This is something that even non-looks maxes just people that go to the gym 100% know about. Like, you don't, having a good physique doesn't necessarily make you knowledgeable or have good advice, but the moment you gain a little bit of results you'll have friends and friends and friends and family members coming to you like you're some sort of authority figure. Just because of the physique you earned, you might just have good genetics, they don't know, but when you can tell them any bullshit and they'll believe it, so they'll still speak for themselves. - Yeah, when I met you, I was like, all right, this dude has jacked arms and he has blonde hair and blue eyes. I have blonde hair and blue eyes. I'm like, how the hell does he have eyelashes? That's the first thing I ask you, I was like, bro, what are you doing for this? What's your plan to blow up on social media over the next few months? - I wanna have the craziest work that they got of all the streamers with combining actual like IRL with desktop because the reality is, yes, streaming is extremely competitive, but a lot of the biggest streamers would be my competition right now or low-key, pretty lazy, and I'm like the complete opposite. I'm coming up right now, so obviously the hunger's there, but the other thing is that most of the people that do IRL, they just, since streaming started from gaming and desktop content, the barrier for entry for IRL people that came at the right time recently was so low 'cause like anything in person is giving more entertaining on a desktop. It's extremely hard to beat that. And so you got the people that are like, just clocking out at the correct time that blew up because they started at the right moment, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're the most entertaining people in the world, that their platform can be just replaced by someone that's actually gonna put in more hours and be more entertaining and have the, you know, be part of the niche that's most power right now. But honestly, I plan to just grind really long hours, cultivate us positive of a community as I can and we've done a great job so far. I mean, kick is known for being a lot more toxic than Twitch, but I'm honestly really impressed like I've been cheering, like all my communities who are super positive right now. So I just, I wanna keep doing that 'cause I think it's a breath of fresh air in a streaming space where people are used like reach baiting people and being controversial on purpose, not necessarily organically, just to piss people off and cross drama. I think sometimes being so far into the opposite side can actually be better. And that's kind of what I wanna do. Obviously I'll still do some fuck shit and be controversial, but it won't be chasing the same negative type of vibe that they are. - Which one do you think will get you bigger results? - I know that the one that would get me viral first at a bigger fall and quicker would be super controversial and problematic and just wild, just go out around and do crazy shit. But I prefer having a long-term streaming career 'cause streaming is really something that can come and go pretty quickly. That's why taking a more slow, taking the more hours, just being essentially always there for the community and just slowly but surely getting more into them and seeing what type of content they like and are gonna keep liking over the long run 'cause you can't really do that when you're doing viral clips and controversy. If someone enjoys something, they enjoy something. No one enjoys controversy for the controversy. It's just, it's viral. It makes you feel that certain emotion at that point. But what it is is not consistent thing, you have to keep finding it. - Do you tell girls that you looks box? - I didn't before but now it's interesting 'cause I was getting to the point, was like, fuck, I'm gonna have to start telling girls that I do 'cause I wasn't before, I was hiding it by all means, but now it's gone from one into one. to the other so quickly that it's like, I don't need to tell them because they already know. So I kind of skipped that step, but like-- - Why'd you used to not tell them? - You just wanna appear like you're not putting effort into the results you're getting. Like if a girl thinks you're good looking and realizes you spend, you know, even just an hour of your day on your looks, now it's manufactured, it's fake. It's kind of like television, you know? The magic gets, the magic of television gets thrown away if you see all the behind it seems to how everything works. Same with the magic trick. All of a sudden it's on magic. What do you think is the core reason though? Like from like a nature perspective? - If your looks come from, you know, using certain types of techniques and curling your eyelashes, it's not natural. You weren't born with the genetics to have those longer lashes to protect you from the brie or whatever it may be, which is, you know, a good mating signal or that you make a good mating partner. Instead you fake them. If they know you fake the then, they know you're not as well fit to recreate with then the guy that doesn't. Like you do not wanna let girls know you're working out consistently, you know, meal prepping. They'd rather think that you just lift hay bales and you just, you're high testosterone. You work, you lift heavy stuff and you work for your family and your genetics are so good and you're so fit for, you know, bearing children and being a father that you have a great frame and physique because of it. Not that you pin IGF1 to artificially grow your clavicles and you know, improve your bideltoid, which is the distance between your shoulders. Sorry, I left the button. - Rip the huddle. - It was like, all the time it was too much. (laughing) - Pro frame, that takes some like the shirt. That's what first part to mine, I was like, no way, bros, fucking chest. - We're just all about it. - The fact that you're wearing my shirt too, the time draggo, mocked, fucking Jack Neel's shirt. - With this chest. - We gotta get you to do it next podcast. (laughing) We'll hit that for the guest. - What's the fastest way to grow your biceps? - Hop on Roads and do bicep curls every day. That's basically what I did on a run. Once I got on steroids and I wasn't like, well, I was consistently hitting the gym, but even when I wasn't, I still do curls every day. Just if you have frequent stimulus, the muscle's gonna grow, it's gonna grow. - Do you have to be like that careful with the technique and stuff like, do you think it's kind of coped like worry about like the exact technique? - All the mind to muscle connection and the pump. - And like hypertrophy and like all the reps. Like do you have to be that meticulous about it? - No, if you're doing high intensity, actually there's different training principles and whether you're natty or not can like change what's more efficacious, but when you're not natty, the frequency, it's just like you recover at such a fast rate, that you can literally just be swinging shit around and you're getting stimulus left and right. It doesn't fucking matter. Just do something. It's been shown in studies that people will, I forget if I was trying to another steroid, but they essentially just pinned it and just liddared. They laid down and rotted and still gained muscle. So now imagine that, but you're doing curls every day. You're gonna fucking make it absurd gains. Make it absurd gains. - The first time I ever worked out was someone who did steroids, it was these two huge guys walked in the gym and like here I am doing these like slow, boss up curls, like basically ridiculous. And literally like, - Swinging shit. - Rolling them and I'm like, how the fuck are you guys not tired? And they did like 50 reps and then they like took a break for 10 seconds and then they did 50 more reps and I was like, this is ridiculous. - It's 'cause yes it's bad form, they're swinging, but your bicep doesn't know what a swing is. It doesn't know what bad form is. All they don't understand is mechanical tension and how much lower it's under. So if he's swinging it, but he's just swung, swung a fucking a hundred pound dumbbell, 50 fucking times, that's a lot better than fucking a 10 pound dumbbell. Lasting 10 seconds, fucking meditating and getting your brain in the muscle for the mind muscle connection, you know. - Yeah. (laughs) - It's really interesting. So you think a lot of that stuff is cope? - Yeah, I was honestly very foreign pill, I guess, or mind some muscle connection build when I first started working on just 'cause Arnold was a figure of it, they'll push it all the time. Yeah, after the pumping iron movie, he'd say the pump felt like coming to him and how important it was. But after some one like dude, like I can't be doing every rep for this fucking long. I got a fucking homework to do, I gotta get home. Let me just pick up a heavier weight and do less reps, but do more intensity. - Do you think most of muscle building is genetic? - Yes. - Even like steroids, like it matters. - Yeah, yeah. Your response to the steroids can be nine and day. Like there's people taking legitimately five X, the amount of what I take or clavicular takes and they have subpar results. Like when I started and I was just only doing test, I was barely doing any, I was doing the same dosage I'm at now, which is considered TYT, but people are thinking you're like blasting, right? Even 300 is considered like a beginner dose, that's kind of like a baby dose. And that's the highest that I've ever been touched. Then you have people that are natural and still have a better response to trainings stimulus than people with subpar genetics and steroids. So it's like, it's honestly pretty brutal because you wanna think, okay is it not worth it to hop on steroids for guys that are unfortunate to have good, you know, response to them, but it's like, well, they're still worse off without them, right? So it's, I mean, that's a decision they have to make. I'm just, I'm very blessed that that wasn't the case for me, but yeah, it's the genetics or everything for every single aspect of your life, even your IQ and everything. - It's crazy because I think a lot of people assume that if you take steroids, me, I think I've particularly small arms and like small biceps. I used to assume that if I took steroids, my arms would just naturally be big and like everything would be big, but in reality, it's like, no, like, it's just genetics, like they'll never grow in comparison to the other parts of your body that are. - Yeah. - Entergenic, you know? - Yeah, exactly. Like, they'll 100% grow past the point that would have never been being possible, but yeah, that's why you have to be really careful and gear as well, 'cause you've continued training the same way you were in naturally, like all of a sudden, you're just as already a strong point. I know it's a strong point, but it's responding even better to the gear than your other muscles. And it's like, you can get out of proportion quickly. You do kind of have to like, reset down and rehash and plan a proper way to work out when you decide to hop on. And just, I mean, honestly, if you were to hop on, I'd be like, just don't hit chest and let you just spam biceps, like four times a week. 'Cause it's all about balance and symmetry. Do you think the ASU Fraet Leader is now? - I think, I think it's a insane work ethic and he works really hard and he takes care of his diet and he's just, he's very consistent with his creatine. Where were you when Curvicular got mocked by the ASU Fraet Leader? - Oh, standing right next to the camera. I may have even been holding a camera, I'm not sure 'cause that's right when I was holding it for a brief second while a cameraman Brock went to take a piss. But it might have been right after he came back and gave it to him, but honestly, I don't think any of us registered it at the time. That's what's so crazy to see it blow up to, I mean, that's like, Litchie, one of the most viral memes I've ever seen. It's kind of ridiculous seeing like even old boomers like saying like gesture grunting and shit like that. It's like, wow. - Yeah, I thought it was crazy. I think it's like the biggest thing of any of your guys' antics. - Yeah, I think it's yeah, yeah. Which is ridiculous 'cause I mean, the antics, they're pretty crazy. Seven to ones that they're computer with, but somehow the fucking ASU Fraetmog etched them all out. - It's so funny because Fraetmogged, like people don't even realize, I sound like a fucking formdweller right now, but people don't even realize that like, Clav's whole thing is like, is clavicles. - Exactly, that's why it's so ironic. I mean, his user is Litchie Clavicular, which is indicating the fact that he has a good frame, which he does. He does have a good frame. - Right, but do you think the average person hears the framework thing and they even know that? - No, they don't even, I don't even think they know that that's why his name is Dan. - So it just sounds ridiculous. I think it just sounds ridiculous. That's why it's viral. - Yeah, it's the gentleman you just ridiculous. That's why it's funny. The majority of these people are making it go viral. Don't even realize like the second step of why it's ironic and funny. Just they just think it sounds weird. And it's funny to them. This is a weird one, but do you think the black pill going mainstream has made the black pill more real? - Yeah, I think it has. 'Cause it took something that we all know is subconscious and now everyone is consciously thinking about it, which only reinforces your subconscious as well. So it's like, the fact that girls are so aware of this now is honestly kind of scary. - Like they care about looks even more than they did before. - Yeah. And they're aware of the fact that we know they care about looks too now. And the fact that we're working on our looks because we know they care that much more now. Which really fucks puts the guys in a fuck position. 'Cause we all know girls use makeup to look better and men don't really see them any differently because of that. But now the girls have not even the back of their mind, their front of their mind. Dan, this guy going out to sea right now or just men at the club is probably wearing some concealer and a little bit of eyeliner, but the fuck, they go, I wonder what he looks like without it. It's probably an insecure chud. That's basically what their subconscious is going to be saying now. So it's like, they really does put guys in a more difficult situation now. 'Cause it doesn't affect girls as hard. They're not judged the same way for wearing makeup. - Yes, it's weird because, If we were girls, right? Like we would probably just wear makeup because that's the thing that girls do. Yeah. I wonder if it'll get to a point where they just like expect guys to look smacks. Yeah. Like you came to a date with me and you're not even wearing eyeliner or some like BB cream. What are you doing? Your skin's all like red and oh my god. Honey, have you been both, Masha? Yeah, for real. Why is your wallet or your wallet not swollen? What are you doing? What are you doing? It's probably gonna end up like that, honestly. It's not even a shit. We're like laughing, we're joking, but it's like, we should be crying instead. I think it's gonna end up like that. What was Intrigenic doing to looksbox? Last time I know when he came to this, he was in LA. He took a super long ester of test. I think it's called test. I'm just gonna say test to you. That's what it's called. So short for something else. But long ester means that the half-life is very long. And since he was gonna be out wait for a long time, he just pinned a really, really high dosage of it. How much should he pin? I don't even know. I don't even know, but a lot. Enough to last him for the two or three weeks trip trip. What would you guess that is? I think it was like two points, something grams. No, it's 1,500 MG. Yeah, yeah, 2,500 MG, I think. And one go. It might have been higher, honestly. I'm not sure. But I knew he was doing that. And he brought diuretics. He was obviously looking pretty good on that trip to LA. But now, obviously, he's come off shit. And he said, hey, Propsim, you just got a hair transplant. And, you know, his rhino done. No longer going to be a Polish father of six, as the TikTok comments are saying. But, you know, it takes balls to show yourself while recovering from these surgeries. It makes you look significantly worse for a short period of time until you get ascended from them. Who's had the craziest ascension in the looks, Max and Community? I must say, Kuk. No, I've had to be for real on it might be, I think nocturnal cat has a pretty crazy transformation. He gets a lot of shit, but I think he ascended the furthest because his starting point was probably the lowest. Because when I think of like endogenic, when he started, I actually thought he looked pretty decent. He was just like a very lanky, skinny guy with, you know, a hook nose. But, I mean, within like a year of like working on with the tan, you already look like a decent, the go-looking person. I would even argue that endogenic descended himself a little bit past his prime, and his prime was two years ago. I mean, now he's going to reach a new prime, since he did surgery. But, an octurnal cat, I think, had the lowest starting point relative to their current point in terms of the amount of increase that they've done. Interesting. Are you infertile? At the moment, yeah. Until I decide to, you know, do my course of HCG at HMG, I won't be infertile, which is kind of nice, because, well, actually, I should be more in condoms regardless for STD sake. But I have a feeling, so far, so good, you know. Do you think ugly people should have kids? I think they should do what makes them happy. If they want to have kids, they should. But I think as an ugly person, your goal should be to, you know, artificially make yourself as good-looking as possible, to find someone that's naturally good-looking, so that your kid doesn't suffer the same fetus you. Like, for example, when you see maybe not an ugly person, a short dude, it should be essentially his mission to try to find a taller girl that my pee would have to help his son, you know, policy and fetus him. I mean, it's not even messed up to do, like, there's a reason why certain tribes in Africa are so tall. It's like the woman are choosing to breed with a taller man with their children in mind. So I think it's kind to do for your kid. I don't think they shouldn't have any kids per se. I mean, you're better off, we need them to have kids to just need a not subtle. Like, obviously, don't mix an ugly person with an ugly person. I mean, you guys obviously both didn't try to ascend then. So you think hypergamy is based? I think it'd be based if it was equal, it was proportional on both ends, you know, but it's not, unfortunately. Like, you think guys should be hypergamy, too? Yeah. Only very little guys can though. I mean, every woman can, it's hypergamy, but like, guys can really only be hypergamy, if you have all three of the, you know, looks money status. There you can really just upgrade 24/7. How tall are you? 5, 10, and 3/4. But I'm wearing lifts right now, so. How much does height matter when it comes to getting women? It matters a lot, bro. I mean, especially now, I mean, the average height is only increased and social media has like made it like, essentially like, always be mentioned. Even girls that didn't originally like care that much about height now have it in the front of their mind. Like, oh, tall guys are more attractive or that's a good thing to get with a taller guy. And also subconsciously. Has a girl ever rejected you for being 5/11? No, my, all the girl that I'm seeing today is 5/11. My ex-girlfriend was 5/11. And the one, the girl I hooked up before that was also 5/11. So I like taller girls. I wouldn't say I'm insecure about my height. Obviously, I'd prefer to be taller. Just, I mean, it's more of a, the reason I prefer to be tall is because my dad is taller than me. So it just kind of pisses me off. It's like, bro, what the fuck? And I'm, I'm not going to be like looking, looking at him. The whole goal is to be like surpass your parents, right? But it doesn't really make me insecure. Honestly, like, it's annoying because woman will assume you're insecure about your height when you're not 6 foot, right? So you could be someone that's my height or even shorter and you're completely securing your height. But don't project that you're insecure about it onto you. The little girl like short-came, blah, blah, it's like, bitch, I don't care. Like, I'll get with a 6-1 girl. Like, I'll climb a cheat. I don't get to shit. Let's say it's fine. Like, but I do understand that being taller is more attractive and better. There is a sweet spot. Like, 6-3 to 6-5 is the most ideal for sure. Hmm. I guess like a big thing with the black hole is like, there's PSL in general, like how your face looks. You're rating and then there's also like height is a big factor in it. Yeah, it's really good. But you like, you're a fairly attractive guy. Hmm. You're one inch under like the cutoff of what women consider to be like, oh, yes, be 6 feet tall. Like, does that, like, it never holds you back really? Well, the thing at two is like with high-flatient, everyone just larps a couple like one inch more to. Like, it's retarded by gone. You're 510 or 511, just put six foot on your dating profiles. Generally, it's because for some reason, that's just the metric that they're gonna like be sussing out on looking for when in person, they won't be able to tell a difference unless they're 510 or taller themselves. I mean, it's been shown in studies that women are extremely bad at judging, you know, not just hype, but the size of, you know, being a citizen shit like that. It's the average, extremely bad ability of estimating. So you should use that to your advantage because the high-flatient is gonna fuck you over if not. So women can't tell that you're under 6 feet? I mean, I don't cling 6 feet in person, to be honest. I changed it in my social media, just Borsos and experiment, because I don't really, I don't meet up with girls from dating sites whatsoever. It's just like a video game to check my elo, see what rank I am, because then you know what type of girls you can talk to in person and succeed with. What's the most black tool thing you've seen in person? Well, really a black-pilled me was shortly after I started going on the forums and ascending on my ex-girlfriend and taking that picture of the fat boys. I went clubbing and I hooked up with this girl and she asked me to like, "Flock her in the elevator in the street." And it was like in the street? Yeah, in the streets of Milan, I was like, "Okay, that's like two-frike. I'm not doing that. I'll do the elevator, but not in the streets." And I take her home and I wake up and I found out that she has a boyfriend of four years that she was litchy in traveling with in town with. And just going clubbing alone and then just was fucking another dude fucking in the elevator in public. Not just like Raios says, "Why go to that extent?" It just seems like so. Like, I just got fucked over and then now I just fucked this dude over. I felt bad. But I was like, "This could be me." Is that common for you? The what? Cocking people? No, no. I don't like kidding on girls with boyfriends. How many times have you realized though like after the fact? That was the only time, actually. No, I think it's happened like one other time. I mean, normally I can like, sus it out pretty well like this girl like, genuinely had no fucking clue. Probably the ethnic tax, which is basically just like your ethnicity can completely tax, so like subtract from your looks like significantly. Like you could be a very good looking Indian guy, like an Indian chat you could say and they just really believe it like, it's essentially equivalent to like a white dude that's like, "HTN, a high tier normal, like above like 70% or whatever it may be." Just because they're Indian. I don't personally believe that. Can you break it down for me? Like what the ethnic tax? Yeah, yeah, what's like the belief? It's just, I mean, it's based on some truth. I mean, just in terms of like what the beauty standard is for, you know, male and female, it's Eurocentric features, so it's going to be fair skin, lighter eyes. you know, straighter hair, smaller nose, those types of features and you're not gonna observe those as frequently in Indian people, for example. I mean, Indians just get shit on everywhere in the internet regardless, but that's the main ethnicity that gets taxed on the forums. You can also get ethnic taxed as a black person or as an Asian, but I personally just believe that you're either good looking or you're not. Like if you're a good looking Asian dude, you're a good looking Asian dude. Like if they're girl things you're good looking, you're an Asian good looking dude. So now I don't think you're good looking. It just, it's by her. It's either, does think you're good looking and she'd fuck you or she wouldn't. - Is there anything else that's brutal on there? - Um, and you know the real beliefs? The dog pill, probably. - The what? - The dog pill. - What's the dog pill? - There's a significant amount of girls who are, I would have beat this down. I wouldn't say it's been shown in studies, but it is anecdotally frequent that women that own large dogs are pretty likely to have like some sort of sexual intercourse with them or like get like very physically like touchy, or so then with like smaller dogs or even men with their dogs. It's kind of similar, it's the same case with horses, male horses. That's why you should actually look out for a woman that have male horses. There's like, I mean, I've seen crazy videos where they'll be thirsting over like a stallion as like a horse cock. Like a genuine horse cock. And there's like woman like making comments about it. But it's real, it's real. - So women with big dogs are more likely statistically to what? - To indulge in some sort of sexual intercourse with them. - I mean, I don't know if that's-- - There's those stats on it? - I want to, I don't know if you should pull that up. - This is like, you want to pull up a thread, bro? - This is the craziest fucking thing I've heard all day. - The, I mean, I'm not sure where the statistics were pulled from, but around the year like 2004, 2006, the search, the search volume for, you know, dog, and you know, realistic, where, you know, around equal, which is pretty concerning. I mean, why do you want a dog shaped dog? Oh, huh. - Yeah. - On the forms in general, what's the darkest post you've ever seen someone make on the looks, maxing forms? - It wasn't the post itself, but the fact that it was the last post by an individual that committed, I'd be because of another forum member. And it was a notable member too. And, you know, obviously there were other reasons for why that user had committed, like bullying in real life, on whatever it may be. But when you get home and you try to escape from reality, and the thing you come to is a person that's respected in that forum, essentially telling you it's over and that you should end it all. And that pushes you toward the edge. Then, obviously that's like extremely dark and brutal. And this kid was obviously being bullied in a, in school was a special needs and pretty sure. And then he just goes back and is suppressing the forum, trying to get some hope of what he can do to improve himself. And someone that's respected in the community is telling him to just end it all on that. It's over and that he's, you know, beyond saving any subhuman. And then they actually went ahead and did it. And then got the forum investigated by the FBI, I'm pretty sure, or at least was put on the watch list. - What did he do remember the post he made specifically about the kid? Did he just say it's over? Like what did he say? - I don't, I mean, it was more than one post, I'm pretty sure, because I mean, this guy was like, pretty adamant when he doesn't fuck with you, he'll like just brutalize you. But the name of the user was Sherry Six. So I rest in peace to him, you know? - That's really sad to hear. - Is that common? Have you seen that happen a few times? Or is that a one-time thing? - I think there's more than one case of it, maybe not specifically in the forums, but you know, there's the forums and there's the discords that come from them. You know, not everyone that's on the discords is in the forums and vice versa. So I think there have been other cases for sure on Discord, but I wouldn't be aware of them, I don't think. You can only imagine it's such a negative community and you know, some people just do this for fun, honestly. Like there's extortion groups and shit that will like just try to get people to like, so it's not that way to think that some, there's people like that in like an in-sell written community like Lux Max. - What do you think people do that? - Their lives are miserable and since they can't find any way to improve it or they don't wanna put the work in, to do so, they think that making other people miserable or you know, be at their lowest point humanly possible, is brings them satisfaction in a way. I don't know, it's very strange. I've never understood it, honestly. - What would you say you're the most insecure about? - My nasolibial folds right now and my asymmetries, essentially. Nasolibial folds are like the lines that come out here as you start aging. I mean, they're natural and men, you get them earlier, but it's a sign of a less than about mexella. It's not like crazy insecurity, but especially like, harshly lighting with flash, like it'll come out and just like beats you look older. It's like, no idea. - How do you fix that? - Use BIMax for it, you know. If you had Bansier mexella, I should. So create a little bit more support, stretch out the flesh so the fat's not dripping down. Technically, I could try to get rid of it without surgery by using like, aquilix to dissolve the fat that's accumulating because the reason this happens is there's a vein here where the fat will like hold up. And then it accumulates here so you could technically do try to get rid of the fat. But I mean, what is a structural issue? Everything will just keep coming down as gravity takes its takes care of it. So the best solution is to provide structure underneath it, which is through, you know, osteotomies. - What's a conspiracy theory? You 100% know it's true. - I think agartha and Atlantis are both real. - I mean, what really like susbiat is when Mr. Beast was talking about it and like exuse, with it was like him, exuse and Aiden Ross and they were talking about Antarctica and exuse was kind of like fucking with Mr. Beast by saying like, oh yeah, 'cause he doesn't, we didn't even get a lot to like fly over the sternum wall because that's where they keep this, this and that. And like bro, his reaction was like just so fucking sus. - What's one thing that you wish there was a drug for? - Just like flat out like genuine, like a switch for inhibition that wasn't like through all these bolster mechanisms. Like obviously there's certain mechanisms you have to hit that do lower your inhibition. Like if there was a way to just say I take this inhibition off, everything else is unaffected. Like I'm not gonna be, you know, more sloppy or you know, be drowsing and stumbling over myself 'cause a lot of these drugs that lower your inhibition do so by essentially making you like lower stress but also more retarded. If those are a drug that just lowered it, you know, make you more willing to take risk without anything else being changed. 'Cause I mean, you could argue that certain steroids make you lower your inhib, right? 'Cause you're more willing to take risk or more driven but they often come with other changes in mentality for other things that may not be what you want. Like if you could just keep everything else in your mind level headed but just low inhib, that would I think change a lot of people's lives. 'Cause I feel like a lot of people where they really fuck up is they don't take the first step, they don't take action, they'll spend their whole lives just planning thing and having this dream that they wanted to fulfill but then they don't take the first step 'cause they're too scared of the what if. We're like, well, but if what if I'm judged for this or this is gonna fail instead of just being able to trade off is like, I'll just do it. What happens happens? - What's your favorite black pill so? - Oh, actually, yeah, nuts by low peep. - Nuts? - Yeah, I think that's what it's called. - This one. - I for sure know this one. - That's the song that Cookie King blocked, right? - Yeah, I think so. - Do you think Cookie Mawks? - Yeah. Dude, he mawks hard right now. He's looking great. I'm proud of him. That's the shit ton of weight. - It's actually crazy to look back at the videos from when we first met. I'm like, what the fuck? 'Cause I've got a different person. - Yeah, I've got a new used to see him skinny now. So it's like, dude, I can't imagine him physically being near me fat. - Yorts, what's the worst piece of advice you've ever received? - To give up and that it was over for me and to basically just like, do nothing. So I just give up and be sad. I was, they were quite literally telling me to just embrace my, my fate and that I was, I was done for. And, you know, I genuinely did listen for a little bit. I mean, they got so in my head with all the persistence and threats. I mean, I wouldn't even call it advice. I essentially forced it into my mind that it was over because of how adamant they were about it and the pressure they were putting on it. And I believed it. So I would do from my entire semester of school, stop talking to all my friends, stopped working out. Just literally just lay in bed all day and do nothing. I'd lay down and rot quite literally. And I probably did that for like two weeks and a half until like something just like came at me and it's not like, why the fuck am I letting these people dictate my life? Why? Like, is it over? It's like, give up. Like, I can let you just get up right now. I can get up and today's a new day and do something ultimately, a million times more productive than anything they can do, which is to just try to do the most, try to do everything I can every day, like just try to go through. as hard as possible. And if you can tell yourself that you went the hardest you could of every day, then you will get to a happy state of your life. Whereas if I had listened to them, like, I probably would have not been here. I'm not gonna lie, but that show is very depressing. I thought I couldn't go to school. I was a disappointment to my parents 'cause I'd have no degree. And I was just a fucking looks-maxing, fucking loser that doesn't even look-max anymore 'cause I gave up on it. - Why don't you like when people say it's over and looks-maxing? - Because it's just not true, you know? Like, why is it over? Because you say so with a fucker here. There's so many things that can have at any given time. You know, your life can change at a moment's notice. You just have to be in the right place at the right time. Like, obviously there's luck involved in everything in life, but that luck is only gonna get used if you're prepared for it and you're putting yourself in that place where you can get lucky. So, just never give up. - It's not over. - It's not over. - What's the best piece of advice you've ever received? - I think the saying goes fall down six times, stand up seven times, or it's something along those lines. And it just completely goes with how my dad raised me, which is just that no matter what, you can always stand up. Every failure in your life, you just need to get up one more time and try again, and that could be the last time you fall. You know, even if it isn't, you just stand up again and you keep going. You know, it's only, you're only done if you stay on the ground. Like, if you're capable of standing up, you know, not physically, but just even your spirit. If you don't let anything like keep you down, you will always like come to a, you'll always achieve your goals. You know, you have to, I mean, the energy that you put into everything you do, completely dictates the result. Like if you're a sour and a sad person, just going through the motions, like of course you're never gonna get anything extraordinary. But if you're just giving your absolute best, putting every piece of your like will and heart, into everything that you do that you care about, you're bound to fucking, you're bound to do something extraordinary. - Well everyone, this has been your guest, Drago, where could people fund you? - Kick.com/Drago and then Drago Maxter on every single social media. Thank you so much, Remy Jack. - Yeah, first of all. That was coming off. Thank you.