‘I’m Getting EMOTIONAL!” Gaza Debate + Megyn Kelly Says Charlie Kirk Proved RIGHT on Israel

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It's not an argument. OK, Comic-Defense. You ready? OK, Comic-Defense. You're a Comic, and I'm a retired dream-brake. It's official, at least according to two of the Iran Wars' most reliable supporters. The voters don't really care about the Iran War. If you look at the Fox survey, Iran is a 4% issue with the American people. So whatever happens in the midterms, it doesn't appear that Iran's going to drive anything one way or another. What's your take on this? I think it's exactly right. So nothing to see here, then. It's no surprise. Perhaps only 4% of those who responded to Fox News said the Iran Wars are a single most important issue in their lives, arguably. That's why they elected a president. You said you wanted to stop wasting money on ruinous, middle-easing conflicts while his own country went to the dogs. It's also no surprise that the issues they do care most about are the economy, inflation, and affordability. What is surprising is that the war's biggest cheerleaders cannot begin to imagine how its costs reckon to be more than $100 billion so far could possibly have anything to do with it. But I'm hearing the whispers, I think they're telling the president, they're certainly telling the media that if we go full-bore and finish them off, and I believe that we can go full-bore and finish them off, that if we do that, the price of fuel will even go higher to $200 a gallon. Isn't this what the isolation has said when this started? Why should we listen to them? Let's get it over with. Well, this is my view. I think that the president is on the verge of a world-shaking historic victory in Iran. Really? A world-shaking historic victory just around the corner? What you need to do is ignore your eyes and ears and shut up for the midterms, and all this could be yours. Now, subject to closing your eyes to reality, I've long argued with Israeli officials that the best response to accusations of war crimes in Gaza is to let the media see what's happened there for themselves. This weekend delivered another reminder of why the answer remains no. Well, it doesn't allow journalists to operate freely inside Gaza, but it has no control over space. Ladies and gentlemen, Jesus of Gaza, taken by Google satellites are apocalyptic. They reveal an entire urban landscape, apartments, mosques, schools and roads, reduced to dust. It puts a whole new spin. On the Israeli refrain, there's nothing to see here. What you want to me now is Dave Smith, host of part of the problem, and Matt Tardio, retired Greenberry, and US Army sniper. Welcome back to both of you. Dave Smith. These Gaza images are devastating because they show devastation on a scale that is almost unimaginable. And the reason we haven't seen it is because Netanyahu continues to ban all international journalists from operating freely inside Gaza. You can only go in if you're embedded with the IDF who control your movements. And this is why, and this is why it's so important journalists do get in there because I don't know whether war crimes have been committed here, what I do know is 75% of Gaza's gone. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think, you know, I watch your show regularly even when I'm not on it. And I think over the last few years, I think you've grilled every single pro-Israel guest about the refusal to let journalists in. And I don't think one of them has ever had a satisfactory answer that I've seen. And I think, right, like you just said, but look, even these images, there's a real difference between these kind of aerial images and like on the ground, because it feels a lot more real. I guess I would just say for everyone, no matter what side of any issue and whether what your politics are, I mean, I just, I don't know how you don't look at this. And just your first thought isn't that there's real human beings who live to your man who are as human as the three of us are. And just what a tragedy, what a, what a, just, I don't know, what a, it's like I have little kids who are like very little, who don't know about the world and stuff like this yet. And I just feel, I feel a sense of like deep profound embarrassment on behalf of the human race that this was allowed to happen, you know, that this could happen, that we would have all of these ridiculous kind of like international organizations and human rights organizations and all this stuff. And still somehow we have a show like this pierce where civilized men from different parts of the world can come and have a conversation and have arguments about policy and disagreements. And we would still allow this to happen to the poor people who, who have been captive and live there, who the overwhelming majority have had nothing to do with October 7th were just innocence, you know. And I guess finally, I would just say, I mean, what was the Israeli, even like on the most generous Israeli estimates, pre October 7th, what did Hamas have 50,000 fighters in the most generous estimates, what did they destroy, like 330,000 buildings there, all of it gone. They'll never have it to return to. All the records of genealogy and property rights, every little local business, every mosque, every school playground, every hospital, every school destroyed, just a tragedy you can't even put into words. And it's, I don't know, pierce, I'm sorry, I'm getting emotional on this one, but it's been like how many years of us coming and winning every one of these debates about the thing. I mean, the public opinion, support for Israel is collapsed by 70%. I saw in one poll, and yet still they got away with it, and no one's going to be held responsible for it. I don't blame me for getting emotional, I think when we see these pictures, let me bring Matt in here, you know, my issue with this is, a lot of the refrain I get back from people on the pro-Israeli side is, well, what about you, British and World War II? Look at what you did in Dresden, you carpet bombed Dresden, to which I say, yeah, and we shouldn't have done, and the whole point of the Geneva Convention being set up after World War II was to ensure this didn't happen again, the Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't happen again, that we put in international rules and regulations that prevented this kind of thing. And then we see these Google Earth images of Gaza, and it's pretty well gone, you know, maybe 80% I've read, it's not just gone, vaporized, and we don't really know how many people have died, how many are under that rubble? The media aren't allowed in to do their job, for reasons that baffled me, given those supposedly a ceasefire, although it's not a proper ceasefire, because people keep being killed. And just on any human level, when you look at the devastation, can you still justify this as a proportionate response to October the 7th? Well, I think when you look at it and you ask, like, justification, we're going to look and say, okay, well, what do we do about the situation? I think even Dave would agree, Pierce, I think you would agree, that October 7th deserves some sort of a response, and what are you going to do about it? Dave was fairly accurate, and he gave a generous account, which was 50,000 homospiders inside of Gaza, you know, about October 7th. The US, Israelis put him about 40,000 in a population of 2.1 to 2.2 million. When you take that into account and you say, okay, well, it's not just the charter pullers, which is the figure that he was pulling up, but it's also the support network that goes into it. You have underground and auxiliary forces, each of which is going to be considered a valid military target, and that's going to bring up about an additional 10X, the actual number that's on the ground as far as charter pullers go. So your support network is about 10X, that of what your fighters are when it goes down to this insurgency. So you're actually looking at about 25% of the population inside of Gaza, that in some way, shape or form, participates directly as a valid military target. And it's September of last year, I sat down with Brigadier General Benny Gull, who is at the time in charge of ground operations, over inside of the Gaza Strip. And what was very interesting was I asked the same thing that you just did. I brought enough stuff. I am packed and I'm ready to go. You guys are about to assault Gaza City. I want to be embedded and move along with the unit. I'll hang on the back. I got denied. I got told no. I was able to go to one of the GHF distribution points over inside Gaza, where I was able to see thousands upon thousands of people line up in an orderly fashion, get all of their food. It was actually really interesting to be able to see. I just live streamed the entire thing. It's up over my YouTube channel. But the most interesting thing that came out of my meeting with Benny Gull was that I got to see some old target packages from about a year prior over inside of Gaza. And I don't think there was a square block inside of Gaza that didn't have what would be considered a valid military target, if not two to three of them on each and every block. And so the real question is, how do you combat something like this? If we look at the 2024 survey from the Palestinian Center Policy and Survey Research, 70 percent of the civilians inside of Gaza supported October 7. Over 90 percent of them, all right, 90 plus percent of them did not feel and did not feel had all like a single atrocity was committed. And over 85% of those Palestinians inside Gaza and the West Bank, they went to 151 different locations and surveyed 10 different people at each location, but the West Bank and Gaza. And out of all of the people that saw the videos, 85 plus percent didn't think that a single atrocity was committed. And I think that's appalling. I think it's shocking. But what's even more shocking is that you don't have the Egyptians allowing them to go into the Sinai Peninsula. They're not allowing them to go and instead up a camp. Nobody wants to take these people really anywhere. And so the question is, why does that destruction exist? And that's a much tougher conversation. You know, the conversation that we should be having is, how do we solve that problem? Because that is a very real issue. So, so why are we focused on this destruction? Because that destruction is valid military infrastructure that is being taken out or terrorist infrastructure. I don't care how you look at it. It's under under all the regulations, policies, international law. You just stated, they all fall within there. Once you use a building, whether it's civilian, etc., for military purposes, it loses its protected status. And Israel doesn't have to sit back and wait for rockets to be launched to them before they end up taking other situations out. So the question, I guess, is what is the proper way forward? And this is why I think Donald Trump's plan is going to fail personally because we're not addressing the person, the people issue. It's on the ground. Israel is attacking the terrain issue, but they're not attacking the people issue. And I'm talking about the mentality that is like run rampant throughout Gaza. So if either of you have a suggestion on how to fix that, I would be happy to hear it. But right now, you know, if somebody breaks into my house and they're going to attack my wife, kids, etc., I'm going to shoot that man dead. Right. And if I know people are about to do it, like, I don't know, the RAF, what was it? Fairfield over inside of the UK. Why do we have to wait for them to go over there? No, we can go and we can stop them before they actually breach the gate. And that's more or less what's actually taking place right now. All right, Dave Smith, you're responsible for that. Well, I agree with the part about Donald Trump's plans, not going to work out. That's for sure. I guess, look, man, I think it's really, when you start using like opinion polls to justify violence against a civilian population, I just find this to be a kind of laughable argument. I mean, like the war in Iraq, for example, was enormously popular amongst Americans at the very beginning. A million Iraqis died over that war. It was aggression. It was violence. Lots of innocent people died over it. We supported it here. That doesn't mean anyone has a right to do violence to American citizens or British citizens who may have supported a policy that was bad. People believe in lots of things. That doesn't mean they're guilty of aggression. And if you're going to sit here and say that 25, you can connect 25 percent of the population to being directly responsible for October 7th. Well, again, they conducted a war against 100 percent of the civilian population. You know, Smotrich, where was it? What was it in March of 2025 when Smotrich announced the food blockade, where for three months there wasn't one grain of who was that against the civilian population, 100 percent of them. Even the Israelis themselves claimed that Hamas was stealing all the food. So they knew they weren't starving Hamas. They knew they weren't like keeping the food out from them. They were just doing it for what? The civilian population to put them on a diet. And as far as the argument about Egypt, not letting them into Egypt or that nobody wants to take them. I mean, Pierce, then nobody wants to take them argument being used by the Jewish state. Need I say more? Well, first of all, I'm not the Jewish state ever. Hold on. Hold on, the Jewish state. I'm not the Jewish state. I'm American and I'm American first. No, so let's address that. Did you get the point? So this is where's been going on? Well, you didn't address my point. I got your point. So here's something again, which is why, you know, you're a comic and I'm a retired green beret. So these guys have been fighting for how many years now, right? Okay. Hamas still exists and they still have it. The Israeli defense force didn't just bring in one shipment of ammo and hold on to it in the center of Gaza and fight off that one shipment of ammo, right? They're constantly refitting and refilling. Now, if you go over to my ex account and you go search from September last year, you'll see where I posted pictures. I went over to the Kogat site down at the Kerem Shalom border crossing and I had a conversation with the Kogat OIC that was down there, the officer in charge and I told them, listen, there's no way that just drones are flying over the Egyptian border and dropping off rifles to keep this going. There is one point in which you can fit that much contraband through in order to keep these fights ongoing and you'll see it where I posted ammunition, explosives, precursors, all sorts of crap that got pulled off these like humanitarian aid trucks and just the week prior, you had like over 25,000 pounds worth of crap that was being shipped in via humanitarian aid and those photographs are geolocated in their their tag. So that humanitarian aid was being shipped in that way and that's why Humasa stealing and grabbing it, right? And so you've got to have like some sort of a better control system so that you're not doing that. And again, it is shutting live ammo into into the crowds of people waiting for food. Was that necessary also? So that's something that we actually went over very in depth and I have a very long and big article over there. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Anthony Aguilar, even admitted that the way they went about like conducting the crowd control to make sure that that food didn't get issued out was something that they had to sit down and actually discuss for a very long period of time on how do we do this? Because at the time, like you said, they had closed off the humanitarian aid and then you had the UN saying that they are on the brink of famine or famine. It is a corner about to occur at the time I forget because one moved to the other very rapidly. So they moved GHF in very, very quick. And in order to build up like food distribution sites of that scale and nature, you would want some very serious security measures in place. And so they had an option. Their option was either A, let's get this food in there and risk the lives of the men on the ground versus B. Let's take our time and build these things up completely. And that way we're completely secure, but we're talking about months down the road. Right. But you're talking about months down the road. And so what they were doing. Would you be comfortable with that? If it was your child, desperately waiting for food down. Would you be okay with that conversation? Would that decision be new, Dave Smith? Answer the question, Dave Smith. Imagine setting your makeup then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewey hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. You know, I'm not actually explaining to you how things work in a war zone seems how you've never been to one and you might not like that answer, Dave, but it is an answer. And this is the reality on the ground. Okay, Comic Dave Smith. Okay, you ready? How do you solve that situation? No, okay. If you don't want to. You don't, you don't fire a lot of rounds into civil into hungry. Okay, so how do you run into hungry civilians? Okay, so you don't do that. So you'll have them up to this side. I am answering your question. I'm perfect. Here's what's happening. You had, you had children that walked up to a guard post on the outside of one of those locations and chuck a bomb into one of the guard posts and wound to GHF personnel. That is a document. That is exactly what happened. I went there. I interviewed and I stood there and it is a document. It's that that happened. And you might not like that, but it's true. And so again, Comic Dave Smith, how do you solve that situation? I get. Okay, so you have a good way of complaining about you. You have a, I'm not responding. It's your question. I know you have to talk over. How do you solve this situation? Your only chance is to talk over. I ask you a question. First, and you don't want to hear it. So you ask the question. What is your question? If my cancer, I said, yes, I would. I said, yes, I would. Dave, I told you that you did answer. As a guy that's been to combat that's fired warning shot. Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. I've ran toward your own children shooting live round trying to get Dave. There's deflection. Are you familiar with deflection and how deflection works with rounds? Are you? Yes. Yes, but do you know what the accepted deflection right here? What is it ever hit people? Dave, we do this to each other in combat. We do this to each other in combat. Let me ask you. Let me ask you. Let me do bring up an enemy. I shoot towards my friends and I just fire accordingly. Let me ask you, Matt. Let me ask you, Matt, because what is indispensable is that the way that Israel's conducted the warring in Gaza against her mass has proven to be incredibly unpopular around the world. To the extent that for the first time in my memory, in my lifetime, there's now a net negative view of Israel amongst Americans, something I never thought would happen in my lifetime. And a lot of, you know, most young people in particular who've been seeing all these images coming out of Gaza, coupled with the media ban. So we're not really sure what the hell's going on there and so on. Everyone's drawn the same conclusion that, yes, of course, Israel had to defend itself after that appalling terror attack. I said that very loudly and clearly for many months. If I had a duty to defend its people as my government would have had a duty to defend us if it's the same thing happened in the UK. But it's about proportion. And at what point has the, in my view, disproportionate response by Israel, including what they've been doing with the settlements in the West Bank, including by, you know, attacking southern Lebanon and just, you know, displacing a million people there and now attacking Iran and so on. At what point does the way that this Israeli government, which is, as we know, has some extremely hardline right-wing head bangers in it like Ben Giver and Smodridge. At what point is there poisoning of Israel's reputation around the world for people like me, who like Israel, like Israelis, right, and feel very sad about what has happened here to the reputation of the country. At what point do you as a military man go, there's more than just kind of military thinking that has to be done here. You've got to bring people with you. You have to bring people with you. And Israel at the moment is doing the opposite. Do you get that point? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. This was like one of the points that I brought up when I was over there. You know, bringing up like your guys' PR campaign sucks. Like it's absolutely horrible. And Smotrige and Ben Gavir, I'm not here to defend them or their statements. A lot of the crap that they've said is absolutely like inexcusable. But when we look at like facts on the ground, I'm a geopolitical analyst. This is what I do for a living. Over inside Lebanon, you have over a hundred thousand Hezbollah fighters that are on the ground that have been launching attacks, right? An invasion of the north in northern Israel would be a very large problem. And again, you don't have to wait till you punch in the face to defend yourself. Hezbollah has got a very clear stated goal. So does Hamas. I think the last time I was on here actually read from Hamas's charter and brought up specifically what they intend on doing. It's not liberating Gaza in the West Bank. It's liberating all of Israel. That is what they include is the lane of Palestine. And both of them are backed by the IRGC. And you also have Russians that were embedded with Hezbollah down in signs of southern Lebanon and have been fighting alongside them over inside of Syria for the better part of a decade. Today over inside of Ukraine, you had a school and a hospital that ended up getting attacked with people literally clinging to the side of buildings and being burned alive. If that happened inside Gaza, dude, you and I would never stop this conversation. But for some reason, we're focused on Gaza, not what Russia is doing inside of Ukraine. And Russia happens to be a very, very big partner with Iran right now in this entire conflict. And so as we look at this and we establish, she got to go, why is it that we have so much negative information that's actually flowing out this way? Well, all the way back in 2023, Ukraine was actually pushing Russia all the way out and pushing them back to the present day's zero line. They were uncovering all sorts of crap that was taking place. You were finding genocide. You were finding torture chambers over 20,000 children abducted and being taken into Russia actual, provable genocide that's taken place. And yet people like Dave Smith and rarely yourself peers, I think I've actually heard that have talked about that. And so when you look at it, that's one of the talks about it. I can reason why you have it. Yeah. I just didn't talk about it either way. It's to be clear. I went on a 12-hour train ride into Kiev to interview Zelensky in the heart of Kiev. Well, that's right. I'm sorry. I apologize. I apologize. I talked about it quite a bit. Did you talk about it in justifiable apologies, peers? My apologies. Yeah, you are correct. But listen, we tend to focus a lot of our time over what's taking place over inside guys. And there's daily things that are coming out of Ukraine like that on a daily basis. There is plenty of proof that Russia has been helping out along with this. One of the members of the PIJ ended up getting captured by the Israeli Defense Force and interviewed. And he openly admitted that they had gained contacts within mainstream media sources and were giving the information out as to what was taking place on the ground. The hospital was a great example of that where they claimed over 500 Palestinians had been killed in an air strike before Israel even went in there. Turns out it was a PIJ rocket that actually misfired and had gone down into the hospital parking lot. Didn't even kill anywhere over a dozen, right? But you had a lot of vehicles that were burned, etc. That is the type of narrative shaping that's been taking place. That's been going on over inside of it. But you also have a lot of things to do with this information. Yeah, but I would say, let me bring Dave back in. I mean, I would say the tactic that the Israelis have used and the IDF in particular is whenever there's been any suggestion of a war crime or atrocity, they simply say we're going to launch an inquiry and then we never hear anything more about it. Hardly any of these inquiries ever come back with any public statement to say we've actually decided we got it wrong, right? Very occasionally when it's incontrovertible. But otherwise they just obfuscate their threatening legal action. Netanyahu responds to every allegation against him by saying I'm suing. He never actually seems to and so on. So it's a tactic they're doing, right? They're not the only ones who've done this in times of war, but they do it very, very regularly. And I guess my question for you, David, is slightly different to what I've posed to Matt, which is Matt looks at this from a military perspective. And he raises an interesting question, which is when you have terrorists living amongst a civilian population in urban terrain, whether it's in Gaza or it's in southern Lebanon, wherever it may be, what is the way to get them? Donald Trump, I felt when he came out and said, you don't have to blow up whole apartment blocks to kill one Hamas terrorists, right? That, to me, is the point, is you don't wreck everything to get the single bad guys. And that seems to be the big strategic mistake that they've made these railings. They've gone way too big, way too, you know, have they deliberately targeted children? There are many people who claim they have. I would simply say they've shown a callous indifference for the deaths of children. Callous indifference. But they're always free as there was a terrorist in the school, so we blew the school up. All right, 50 kids died, 50 kids died. That's not on us. It's on Hamas. It's the, that's what they say, right? And I take, I absolutely take Matt's point that 20,000 kids have been kidnapped in Ukraine and it's disgusting and it is genocidal and it's appalling and it hasn't had as much attention, if I'm honest, about what's happened in Gaza. So I take that point. But for you, Dave, what, you know, when you look at it, when, when you're Israel and you're feeling like you've got this, bother coming at you from Lebanon, you got Hamas coming at you from Gaza, maybe the Houthis getting involved, you got these constant rockets being fired, constant threats and so on. And the people doing it are living in urban areas amongst civilians. What do they do? Yeah. Well, okay, so a bunch of things there. Number one, I would just first and foremost point out, and I think this is, this is part of the reason, man, why this just isn't selling. And I understand that like you, we could probably all, I guess, agree that Israel's PR effort has been awful. But I also think that this attempt is not, is not doing any better. I don't think that like if your argument had been made by every single Israeli leader, that the PR campaign would have gone any different, and it's simply because look, even when you directly get asked about Smotrich and Ben Gavir, you got to just basically immediately say, yeah, yeah, I don't agree with them. Let's talk about the Moss charter. Let's talk about what's going on in Russia. Let's talk about everything else, except for that. But the point is that you got like these genocidal maniacs in like the number two and three post in the Israeli government and their policies are being implemented. So it's not enough to just go, yeah, yeah, yeah, it sure isn't knowing that Hitler and Gervals occupy the number two and number three post. But I don't really agree with them. Anyway, now let me get back to how I defend the government doing the things that those guys want to be done. And I'm sorry Pierce, but the asymmetry between the situation between Ukraine and Russia and Israel Gaza is obvious. The debate over the war in Ukraine was always a debate over whether or not our tax dollars should be backing up Ukraine with you taking the positive and me taking the negative on that debate. But there was never a debate over whether we should support what Vladimir Putin is doing. Obviously none of us support that. And so of course it makes perfect sense that the discussion in the West would be much more focused on atrocities being committed that could only be committed because the West is propping Israel up specifically the United States when it comes to Israel. So of course it makes every bit of sense that we would just judge these things in a different way. But I'm sorry, I don't want to move off the topic. The reason why everybody's talking about Gaza is because of the humanitarian catastrophe that those pictures that Pierce showed at the beginning demonstrated. And I'm sorry, but like everybody, like everybody on the other side, you guys all love to bring up what the Iranian leaders chant. You all love to bring up what Vladimir Putin says when it favors you. But so why don't we get to, like if we go by that standard, then Israel is committing a genocide. Through leaders have been saying it the entire time. Yeah, Matt. Matt, final word to you, look, you know, people I've not used the word genocide simply for one reason actually, which is although the international criminal courts have brought actions against individuals for waging genocide, they've never done it successfully against a state or country. And I think it's important to remind ourselves of that. People may think they should have done, but the ICJ has never convicted a state or country of waging a genocide, right? And that's despite places like Rwanda where many, many obviously more people were slaughtered. So you've got to look at this in, I think context of other situations around the world going back many decades. And that's the reason I've held off. I find it impossible to avoid the charge against Israel of ethnic cleansing. I think that Smodrich and Ben Givir people try and downplay play their involvement or influence. They are, as Dave said, very senior members of his government. And they talk openly about wanting to ethnic cleanse the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank. And you know, when it comes to the war crimes that Israel may or may not have committed and whether it's genocide or ethnic cleansing or whether it's individuals perpetrating or ordering war crimes, you know, the best way to find out actually what's really gone on is for Netanyahu to lift this ridiculous ban and unjustified ban on the media, let international war corresponders go in. And let's find out. Can you, at least on that point, can see that we should all be in agreement about that? Absolutely. I mean, personally, again, like I told you, I was begging to be able to go in there last year like pack plenty of stuff to make sure I could go in and just, you know, go to town. I was going to stay out there as long as human the possible. But again, banned, right? Like can't go do it. I was allowed into a distribution site and a distribution site alone. And I can tell you driving through Rafa. Yeah, it looks just like the imagery, like the whole place is leveled, right? But as we talk about this and we look at it, the real question, what we need to be asking is what is the way forward? You and I can disagree on the principles and the way to go about it. But if we look at what's actually taking place inside Gaza, we look at the humanitarian issue that we have inside there. We have a lot of different, you know, problems that need to be solved, particularly, you know, the extremism portion of it. you have a vast majority of the population, all right, in any the area, the city, the size of Las Vegas, that started off with over 40,000 terrorists at quarter of the population supporting them, and over 70% of them agreeing that October 7th was justified, and over 85% of them who've watched the videos and said that there wasn't any sort of atrocities that were committed, that's a very real issue. That's a very real issue. Even at the war end of today at Palmas turned over the weapons, you still have an environment that's just ripe for more extremism to come out. And unless we want to see this again in the future, we need to figure out how to solve that problem. Okay, we're going to leave it there. Interesting debate, and I appreciate the respect for where you conducted it. Thank you both very much. Thanks. Thank you. Well, tomorrow, on Uncensored, an extraordinary and revealing interview with the man who is mediating to of the biggest crises in the world, the Prime Minister of Qatar, exclusive, on Uncensored. What is the truth about your relationship, Qatar and her man? And this has been the accusation for her. We reject the whole thing. Would it be easier for you if the president called it jets on social media? Much easier for us if there is no media at all. There's been no sign of the new Supreme Leader. Have you had any direct contact with him? Is he definitely alive? Netanyahu has a crossed the line back. He has crossed the other lines. Do you think he's a war criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu? What do you want to be now? It's Meghan Kelly, host of the Meghan Kelly Show. Meghan, how are you? I'm great. How are you, Pears? Well, it's been a long week. I've got to be honest with you last week, with the Earl Spencer shenanigans. I know you've been very supportive over. Thank you very much. What do you make of it? I see he's been all over the US television this morning on with Gail King, revealing that he's found someone he told about these incendiary comments about then Prince Charles, now King Charles. The stuff about, we'll forget about her soon. He says he told Barbara Walters, who of course is no longer alive and therefore cannot confirm or deny either way, you know, he thinks the Earl is struggling here over credibility. I've been telling people that I'm five-nine for many, many years and that doesn't make a true. At my peak, I was five seven, but I'm going down by the minute it feels. Who cares? Who cares whether he told somebody that? He hasn't liked then Prince, now King Charles, ever, and I'm sure he has been lying about him for years. So I don't know that this is a lie, but I know somebody who knows him with whom I've been in contact and this person told me directly that he is known Carlos Spencer for exaggerating and telling stories over and over with different details added or subtracted depending on the audience and wasn't sure whether it was a memory problem or whether he just enjoys embellishing stories. But either way, I think there's some serious credibility problems. And the thing that he said about you is just absolutely devastating to his case that he'd be taken seriously. You know, it reminds me of the jury instruction we would get when we closed out trials, which is, you know, false and one thing, false and all. You can tell a jury that directly, they're allowed to conclude, if I caught you in one lie, then I'm allowed to disbelieve all of what you're saying. And clearly, at best, what he wrote about you was incredibly recklessly false. So I think you know what was really interesting actually. I assumed. Yeah, what was really interesting was two things about it because there are several references to me in the book. But one is over two pages and is this, you know, claim he makes. I was editor of The Mirror in 1993, one of the big papers obviously in the UK in '93 when they published these now infamous pictures of Princess Diana working out in the gym. It was a big invasion of her privacy. She sued. She got a million pounds in damages back in the 90s. So this is a, this was a big deal. This actually, to this day, remains the biggest payout and damages against any media entity ever awarded on behalf of the royal family. So this is not a small thing. And over two pages, he outlines how I was the editor of the paper. I ordered my press people to get out and boast about rising circulation figures off the back of this invasion of premises and so on and so on and so on. Now that was easily disprovable because all I had to do was Google to remind myself that I joined The Mirror in late 95, two years after these pictures were published. So it's a primer face, say, The Famitory Lie and I immediately got my lawyers onto his people. He rushed out an immediate panicky apology but has refused to withdraw the copies from sale. And my argument, back to, through my lawyers, back to his, is every copy you still sell with this The Famitory Lie and it is going to cost you more money in the long run. And I don't want the money for myself. It's all going to go to the King's Trust, which is King Charles's charity. But I find it extraordinary that he builds himself as his great historian. I'm a historian. That's why I'm doing this. Historical record, a tribute to my sisters or everything I say about Prince Charles at the time is true because I'm a historian. And yet there he is over two pages accusing me of something which is historically probably complete bullshit. Now to compound it, he then says that the reason why when he rang all the tabloid editors after Diana died to uninvite us from her funeral because we'd all been formally invited. And he did ring us and I remember the call very clearly. He says that the reason I was as he put it snarly with him and rude and offhand when he rang me was because of the guilt I felt over what I did to his sister in 1993. So it's all into woven. Now the relevance, Megan, of that call that I have with him is it was in the same week that he had the call with Prince Charles where Charles supposedly said we'll forget about her soon and where he sounded as giddy with excitement as a lottery winner. Neither of which I can ever imagine Prince Charles saying. So it goes to the heart of his memory and his credibility. And the reason I'm so sure I wrote my own book in diary form and it came out in 2005 and if you go and read it, you'll find an entry about that phone call we had where it shows the enormous respect I gave him in that call, even extending my condolences to his family, to his mother who I knew well and so on. So you know, I've got him as we say in England by the shorten curlies and yet he's got this book still flying out the bookshelves presumably all around the world with this whopper in it. He really needs to be careful because we took a look at this last week in connection with your story peers just to see because it would be really extraordinary here in the United States for them to pull a book off the shelves because of a suit or a threat of a suit around defamation. And in the UK, it's not unusual at all. I mean, we found just in a simple Google search about eight to 10 incidents in which it's been done in many cases under far less persuasive circumstances than this. So he's really in a bit of a pickle here, which is why I think he changed it to, he's trying to minimize it down to the only thing that was wrong was I mistated the date that peers was in this position as editor of the Daily Mirror. But you know, everything else is correct because he's trying to just say it was a minor date. But the minor date is actually goes right to the heart of what he's alleging about. >> What is he saying? He's saying we'll spend just a bickable responsibility. >> Yeah, it's like saying, you know, I'll spend somebody murdered someone in his house. And although he didn't live there for another hundred years, I he did it. He did it. And then when you get caught, he said, "Watch it, it's just a small technicality. I got the date wrong." >> It's just a date. It's just a date. >> No, you're a key to somebody who would agree to try him. >> Yeah, no, exactly. And you can see the sleight of hand quite obviously. And his explanation for why he did it was, well, I just assumed, I assumed these things. Well, that doesn't help you in defamatory lands. >> Also, how many historians? >> When you need a false statement that's that maligned somebody unfairly. >> How many historians use the word I assumed when they're fact checking? >> Well, that's what what's amazing is clearly he did none. I mean, clearly there was no fact check. Because that as you point out is a simple Google search that would take you about 30 seconds. Not to mention his editors. I mean, I realized we just went through this over here with a so-called memoir that was written by a woman who said she got recovered memories. And when a bunch of things came out that looked very untrue, they just said, "Oh, well, we don't really fact check these editors anymore." So I guess it's all up to him and his historian. I mean, maybe his like research assistant is Chad GPT because- >> Well, they wouldn't. I think it's also verified the last name like Hunter Butts as being the last person to get a presidential pardon and the view ladies were humiliated by. That seems like his research assistant. >> But you know, they wouldn't have had to look very far penguin his publishers because they published my diaries back in 2005. I mean, they're vaults, literally go and check my diaries and you'll see I didn't join the mirror for two more years. It's unbelievable. Talking of unbelievable, there's been a lot bubbling around about obviously the Iran war about Netanyahu in New York for the UN and we'll come to that. But these pretty extraordinary shocking images that have come out from Google Earth showing for the first time the scale of devastation in Gaza. And it is shocking. I mean, anyone who looks at this and compares what we see on the left, which was what it was like before October 7th and what we see now on the right. You know, you you read that 70% of Gaza has been destroyed. But when you see it, it is extraordinary. And it comes comes against the backdrop of Netanyahu being accused now by several different sources and newspapers of being warned in advance about October the 7th by the President of UAE and also by Egypt it now is alleged. What do you make of all this, Megan? First, what we're seeing, whether our own eyes for the first time here, secondly, where this all leaves Netanyahu given he may have been warned, he may have done nothing about it and so on. You know, I can't help but think of Charlie Kirk when I see this because Charlie Kirk when he first heard about 10/7 and there was no bigger Israel supporter. The very first thing he said he was on a podcast was it seems like they would have had to know, like the Israelis would have had to know because, you know, their, their commandos are just so incredibly talented and their intel is second to none. And he took so much guff for saying that back here from people who didn't know Charlie and didn't understand Charlie and was just thinking like he was just this, you know, irresponsible sh*tsterer. That's not exactly, that's not at all what was happening. It was Charlie understanding how good the Israelis are and intel and defense and calculating there would only be one way that this could ever happen to Israel and they would have had to have made a strategic decision in his view to allow it. And I think the thing you just showed on screen right is probably what he was thinking, right, that they could finally get to eradicate all of Gaza. I mean, yes, all of Hamas, but that would mean most Palestinians too. And or many and he, like his instincts peers, I think are being backed up right now by these multiple reports that Netanyahu was warned. Now he denies them. But if he was warned, why wouldn't he have said anything? Because in these same reports, we're getting top Israeli officials saying he didn't tell me I wasn't told I wasn't told I wasn't told. So it was either he decided to discard the intelligence, which according to these reports, that the UAE and Egypt went to great lengths to get to him. I mean, it wasn't like some, hey, by the way, we're getting a little chatter. It was, you know, a special trip to Israel just for this and on the ground for only 56 minutes, just to make sure he knew this was going to happen. The next logical conclusion would obviously be because he saw a strategic advantage in allowing an attack as the permission slip for Israel to finally get rid of a terrorist group that has been attacking it for years, Hamas, and then some. And that's really where Israel and Netanyahu got in such trouble on the international scale all over the world now as people look at this and say, how do I not call it a genocide? How do I look at it and defend it? Please walk me through how I defend what looks like carpet bombing on screen, right? And, you know, Netanyahu is going to have to deal with that as an electoral matter matter. And Israel is dealing with it on a geopolitical level. And we're going to see, obviously, you know, potentially he could get thrown out of office in his election in Israel in the next few weeks. But you could also see a massive kickback against President Trump in the midterms in America as a consequence of the war against Iran and all the upheaval that has caused to gas prices, inflation and of foods and so on. You know, you can see a direct line here from that one decision of February the 28th now costing the Republicans the house and potentially the Senate. And with that comes a kind of presidential paralysis for Trump. It's actually very sad because President Trump, while he couldn't get a lot of legislation through because as a reality here in America, you need 60 senators now to get legislation passed. That's the number to get a vote on anything in the US Senate and they only have 53. He was accomplishing a fair amount via executive order. And yes, it's only temporary. But look, the border being closed by executive order is a win. Things along those lines and then came the Iran war. And now we've gone from that. That was just February. Now here we are September. And you've got several GOP Senate candidates and others running for office and, you know, about 30 days from now, 35 days or so. Their elections come distancing themselves from President Trump. That's brand new to have it so widespread. People don't want to mention him. There was just a study done peers on podcasters and cable news. Steering away from mentions, right wingers, mentions of President Trump because people are turned off. People are upset by him, even his fans. The Wall Street Journal just had a report today showing that 11% of the people who voted for Trump and identify as Republicans have now said that they regret their vote. There's just there's a lower approval rating for President Trump than at any point. In fact, for any sitting president going into the midterms in decades. And so all of this spells potential disaster for the GOP come November. And instead of dealing with this reality, what we're getting is like snarky tweets from his top advisors to reporters like Mark Halperin who's trying to honestly report on this and sound the alarm. If the Democrats win not only the House, but also the Senate, it's going to be, you know, a complete game changer in Washington. We are in for two years of not just every single legislative initiative being blocked, but investigation rama. And then the map doesn't get any better next time around. Now like if we have a strong Democratic candidate actually running for the White House, that will only help their chances in improving those numbers. God forbid they get up to 60. I mean, if they get a filibuster approved majority in the US Senate in, you know, the next two election cycles, the country will never be the same again. So all of this is very serious. And it is directly linked to that decision on February 28, which I believe, even though the president says differently, he would do differently if he had it to do over again. He would not, he would not have gone into Iran. 100. Miss lead. No, I just think no chance. I think he was persuaded that it could all work by Netanyahu. And I think he realized quite quickly, it wasn't going to go the way Netanyahu said it was. And now he's trying to get out, but it's very hard to get an off ramp when your enemy Iran constantly gets told we're going to annihilate you. And they know they've got the straight up almost under their control, which can be effective as effective as a nuclear bomb. The whole thing is. And they're watching those poll numbers. Yeah. And they know they've got them by the same thing you said you say in the UK. Exactly. And I just want to end on a slightly lighter note, although it calls me some horror when I saw it. Madonna at the VMAs. I don't know if you've seen this, but let's watch a little different. First of all, I just want to get this thing out of my ass. It's just spending here all night. Anyways, I can party in the park. I'm kind of unclear what this award is for. I guess it's for the short film. Wait, hold on. I think it's a confession to the film. Okay. You're fat. You know, my parents used to run my parents used to run a country pub. And this reminded me of the scene at closing time at 11 o'clock at the Friday night when some of the locals would have had a little too much cider. And that was then the result. But she's crossed over. You know, Madonna used to be somebody. If you went to such a pub, you'd bring her front and center and you'd hope everybody sees you. Now she's the person you'd meet there at 4 a.m. in the back dark corner, hoping to get like an hour at the local motel. I'm really hoping that when I hit 68, you and I are the same age. So we've got a ways to go. Thank God. I really hope when I hit 68, my sex appeal is not the thing that I consider to be my calling card. I really hope at that point, I can look great for my age that I can age somewhat gracefully. I mean, I'm going to fight it a little. I'm not going to completely lay down to it, but I am not going to prance around half naked, pretending I'm shooting lasers out of my ass. And that's something that's exciting or sexy or understandable in any way. Looking for people's approval. I hope I have more confidence. I'm also, you can take me to the bank on this pierce. You will be my, my, my conscience on this will not have lips like Mr. Potato had that cover half of my face to where you can no longer even speak. I don't know why women are obsessed with doing this to themselves. I like the upper lip thing that Kim Kardashian did through surgery or however the hell she did it has spread in a way that's very damaging for women. Same as the ass because Madonna definitely looks like she's had ass implants. I think they happened actually a few years ago. Last night, she added extra padding to it. I mean, in my day, we used to call that eat, eating, go eat. And you will get a bigger ass or go to the gym. But you don't need a surgeon. You don't need a bunch of like, you know, pads back there. And then you don't need to lie on the stage as though you're giving birth and literally have lasers shooting out of your rectum. How is this hot? You know, somebody asked Groc on X today, what I should do to myself to be more like clavicular is obviously now actually facing some quite serious charges. But is this looks maxing kind of influencer? And Groc came up with a series of things that I ought to consider doing to myself, you know, shizzling my cheekbones, always kind of thing. And I replied, there's one word you're missing here, natural. This is what God intended me to look like. This is own natural. And I I'm comfortable with that. 'Cause when I see what these people do to themselves, I would rather shoot myself and look like that. - And the thing is, it's like, even if you do all the work. You know, Madonna's clearly had some face lifts. And by the way, the way you can tell is a woman can't really do anything about this area here. Like a face lift or whatever. You know what, you can always say you can see on Dolly Parton and you can see on a Madonna last night. And so she's clearly had some face lifts, I think at least one. So they look like a little pulled and prodded and less wrinkly than your average 68 year old, but they do still look in their late 60s. That is the like secret reveal about these surgeries. It's like, I hate to break it to you. You're gonna look a little bit more like prodded and pulled, but you're still gonna look generally around your age. So like better let yourself get a few lines, get a little sad, you don't have to surrender all the way, but stop trying to look 38 when you're 68 'cause it only translates to sad. - You know, the problem Megan is they just cannot be as naturally hot as we are. Much as they would like to be. - Next life, next life. - What they need is the stress and cynicism of 30 years in news. - Megan, great to talk to you. Thank you very much. - You too, fears. - Peace walking on sensitive is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. We enjoy our show and also only one simple thing. 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