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I'm Richa McDonnell, the host of Money Making Conversations Masterclass, where we encourage people to stop reading other people's success stories and start planning your own. Now, you don't want to miss an episode, so please take a moment right now to follow or subscribe to Money Making Conversations Masterclass. It's free. You can follow me on I Heart Radio App, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. New Money Making Conversations Masterclass episodes drop daily. I want to keep you on alert because my guests provide tips on how you can uplift your community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur. Now, let's get this podcast started. My guest made history as the first black woman to help my major mainstream US magazine and as Deputy Editor-in-Chief of Hopper's Bazaar, she's held senior leadership roles at Paramount, HERS, Disney, Timing, and several independently owned brands. Now, she is a novel. If I ruled the world, please walk with the Money Making Conversations Masterclass, Amy Duois, on that. So nice to be here, Rishan. Thanks for having me. Well, first of all, I got the Duois, right? Yes, you did. My W.E. Duois is my name's Aik. So that's what we're seeing today. I got a big deal right there on the book. I don't want people to be looking for Amy, Barnett, and Mr. G. See, right there, if I say it's right, then you type that in. It will come directly you because you're one of a kind. I appreciate you, sir. And I'm proud of my middle name again. I'm named after W.E. Duois. So I'd like to use my whole name. Well, you know, I said some really amazing things. And I've known you over the years and followed your career, followed you through the injured leg and all that stuff. Hello, I'm Mercy. But you're very humble. But you've been in a very competitive industry. How do you balance that, Amy? I mean, I appreciate that. And that's a very kind thing to say. And it's interesting because it is one of the things that I talk to people that I mentor about, right? You know, I talk to people about the energy that you put back in the world and the way that that comes back to you. And the fact that, you know, all of it is sort of circular. And you have to really be intentional about the way that you walk through the world, right? So I think that the way that you are treating people around you is the kind of energy that you're going to get yourself. As it comes back to you. And the other thing is, you know, I really spend a lot of time over the course of my career humanizing success. You know, I think that for a lot of people, you know, they look at, you know, those folks who have had certain kinds of professional accomplishments. And they think that these people are different. Or they're somehow, I don't want to say better, but they just have a sort of different set of experiences or what have you. And, you know, my goal throughout a lot of my career has been to help people understand that we all make mistakes. Like, nobody's better than anybody else. You know, we are out here flawed and, you know, and just trying to find success, find love, find fulfillment. The same is everybody else. And that was actually one of the reasons why I started writing my editors' letters. And Honey magazine, that was actually my first editor in chief job. So when I started writing my editors' letters at Honey magazine, I decided that I wasn't going to do the normal editors' letters, where you say, okay, well, on page 53 is a great beauty story. On page 25 is a great fashion story. Instead, I chose to use that magazine real estate to talk about my own stories and my failures and the lessons that I've learned and the insights I wanted to impart. So, you know, it's just it's part of who I am and it's part of what I want to leave with the world. What does Amy? Well, Amy, you know, it's really interesting because, you know, I was sitcom writer, okay, I'm just say that. Not your your level of writing because there's a different, there's different levels of writing out there, ladies and gentlemen. I would the black, the black information pipelines needs to be under attack nowadays, where we're being discouraged to identify ourselves and be proud and, but even able to say, I want to do this, when you hear these attack messages being put out there, I'm not going to direct it to anybody in particular, but I do read it. I do see it and I feel uncomfortable. How do you respond to that, Amy? Well, I think that it's incredibly important, especially in this political environment, right? Right. You know, that we find ourselves in in this country to retain as much authenticity as possible and to also be very clear about where we stand both personally, professionally, politically, with a bunch of social issues. Well, it's great we got a feeling of transition to your novel, which is in a different period in the '90s. You know, you're entitled, if I ruled the world, if I ruled the world. Yes, if I ruled the world. If I ruled the world, why if I ruled the world? You know, a song pops into my head when I hear that, if I ruled the world, why did you call it if I ruled the world? That is the song that should pop in your head that is true. I mean, so, as you mentioned before, I do have a career in media. So I am a three-time editor in chief. I was editor in chief of Honey Magazine. I was editor in chief of Team People Magazine. And I was editor in chief of Ebony Magazine. And I was deputy editor in chief of Harper's Bazaar. And so this particular novel has been in my head for years. And it is about a woman who works at a fashion magazine and eventually becomes the editor in chief of a, you know, Urban Women's Music and Lifestyle Magazine called Sugar. So what's similar to Honey Magazine, if you will. So what's similar? And, you know, initially, the book was called Sugar, right after the fictional magazine that my protagonist edits. But I was like, I don't know if that's really conveying what this book is about, because my protagonist is a complicated, ambitious, flawed woman who is trying to achieve her professional goals, who is trying to find love, who is fighting enemies, who has complicated relationships with her friends, she's dealing with massaging hip-hop. And so she is really on a journey that is about finding herself coming into her own. And you really, you know, kind of understanding the world of which she belongs. And so the title, I love the title of obviously, the Nasong, right? So the title is, you know, really about like, if I ruled the world, to me it was like a vocative of like the journey that my protagonist is taking. And then I was also thinking, well, who are the music artists who are popular, right? - Right. - During that time, obviously Nasong, right? And he is still popular, but in the late 90s and early 2000s, when my book is set, he was incredibly popular. And this song features Lauren Hill, who we all love and revere, and who was also a little sort of, you know, kind of low, you know, small reference, coincidental, Lou. Lauren Hill was the very first cover of Honey magazine back in the day. So there's lots of references happening. - So a lot of personal references. That makes for a great story. That means that you are more authentic. Like you stated earlier, when we were referencing Black history and Black information that's being denied by the general public by a lot of sources nowadays. Now, now let's go back to this book if I ruled the world novel. Because I had a comedy club called The Hip Hop Comedy Stop. And I opened it in 1992. and music, you know, I just think about all the music hip hop and just really, you know, Snoop Dogg and all, I remember, Snoop Dogg, everybody was just, Dr. Dre, everybody was coming out. And so that music, I was telling everybody, time period was such an important time between 'cause deaf comedy jam, used music. So I know it's a novel, but, do you, are you able to sell the importance of music and media in your book? - Oh, absolutely. Well, I mean, in urban media, you know, we were completely intertwined with the music industry. You know, so I like to say, I mean, I've been music industry adjacent for 20 years now. You know, most of the artists that I feature, you know, earlier in my career were music artists. Most of my covers were music covers. I mean, Black Hollywood is, I would say it's new, but, you know, there's been a real rise of, you know, Black Hollywood, but for so many years, you know, music really drove everything that media did from a celebrity perspective. And even today, I mean, music drives culture, you know, whereas Hollywood reflects culture. And you know how we love our music. So, you know, when you look at urban publishing, you know, you see magazines like, you know, Honey Magazine, right? You see vibe, you see double-accel, you see the source. You know, these were all magazines that centered around music. And this book in particular is very reflective of the culture of the time. And what that means is that it's not just about this whole main journey. It also has themes that talk about the music industry. So there's misogyny and hip-hop, for example. You know, we're seeing a kind of reckoning go on right now in the music industry. And this book reflects a lot of what female executives went through during that time. And so we're absolutely talking about that. I'm referencing a lot of music artists that were popular at the time. I also have fictional music artists, you know, that I'm, you know, talking about you, who also kind of go through things, you know, have a journey of themselves in the book. So it is very, very music-related. - Well, that's important. You know, the interesting thing about this Amy, 'cause you're always a planner now. (laughing) - You know the driven car itself. - Because I know you know me, but you know it's been a long time. - You know, I go all the way back to, you know, you know, living single. I go all the way back there, okay. And you just come forward, that magazine driven is a television concept or a movie concept, part of the bigger plan of this release of I Rule the World. - Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I'm like, oh, (laughing) - You can't say "Vision." No, absolutely, absolutely. - Oh, yeah, no, I'm like, you know what I'll play about, you know, I don't play about my goal of "Vision." You know I don't play about my goals. I'm over here manifesting big things, sir. So, yes, and I'm also a very visual thinker, a visual person. And so when I was writing the book, I was thinking visually, I was thinking about set pieces. I was just, I was thinking semantically. So I absolutely see my book as a television series. - And we're not gonna get that right now. - The mention is because when you write a book like this, it's kind of close to who you are, okay? It's kind of close to who you are. Are you dropping kind of like a memoir type tone to it? Or this is just so fictional, you just because you, this is what you did for a living, you can keep it at-create. - You know, it's interesting. Everybody, many people will think that it's a romance acclé, meaning that it's about me, but it's actually not my story. 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Like there's a lot of talented basketball players and athletes out there, but only a few break through. - What is your qualities or your skill set? Can I got to put you to skill sets? You know, it's a lot of people can dribble a basketball, a lot of people can dunk it, a lot of people can set baseball over the fence, but they can't hit it consistently. What enabled your rise in this industry is it a writing style you achieved? What is, what qualities, if somebody's listening, trying to get into this business, that they have to stick to in order to even be considered a possibility to achieve success in this business. - That's interesting. - I think that this transcends media, transcends being an author. I think that the qualities you need to be successful are universal across basically any industry, sports, medicine, I mean law. I mean, I think that it's not just about having the skills and the experience to do whatever job it is you're trying to do. There's a separate success skill set that I talk about that is really something different, right? And a lot of that is about the energy, like I was saying earlier, but the energy that you put forth, right? It's not just about doing your job, it's about doing your job with an energy that makes people want to be around you. It's about being, you know, very enthusiastic about what you're doing, finishing what you have, asking for more, doing that with a great attitude, helping people around you, being collaborative, being kind, you know. Like a lot of that is circles back to you in ways that you can't possibly imagine. It's kind of part of networking. Networking is definitely, you know, intrinsic to that success skill set. But people think that networking is like going to these events and giving people a business card and that's not what it is. It's about building relationships. It's about supporting people. It's about asking people what you can do for them, right? It's about being kind. You and I have known each other for a long time. You reached out to me for this for which I am incredibly grateful, but that's because we have built a relationship over years, right? And that's something that people don't understand. It is, it is really about having the kind of energy that people want to be around, building relationships, and then supporting people in your community. And so much of it, and you just don't know me and you're not doing that because you think you're going to get something back, you're doing that because that's how you authentically show up in the world. You're walking through the world in a way that is generating opportunities. And the other thing I will say is that in terms of success, the universe will not give you an opportunity that you don't think you deserve. It just doesn't happen. So you have to believe that you deserve all of the opportunities. So manifesting, you know, I want to talk about manifesting something. I'm not like cunning pictures out of magazines that I love so much and putting on poster boards. That's not what I'm doing. I'm envisioning a goal, right? I am trying to understand or I'm then being who I need to be in order to achieve that goal. And part of that is believing that I deserve that goal, right? And then I'm putting in the work, right? And I'm putting in the straight up work, right? To achieve it. So it's, it's, you know, sort of energetically being authentic and being kind. It's envisioning your goal and manifesting it by understanding that you deserve it and then putting in the work. Now here's something interesting. She said we've been friends a long time, was she accurately? We met in 2012 when I was producing the Steve Harvey talk show in Chicago. Yes. And she was a dappani and we used to meet once a week for breakfast. She's very, we got to meet once a week. She's very organized. We meet breakfast until we find the right place to eat, we meet. But you know, that was when print magazines mattered. Print magazines mattered. And now we in an era, I have a two part question for you. Okay. You've seen the transition from new stand to digital. Explain to us the difference in what did, what did the good it brought to your industry and somethings you felt were bad it brought to industry, especially black print. The tough one, Rashon, I mean, because it's true, I've been in both. I mean, I'm a magazine maker. I'm at core. I love magazines. I think it's like creating a piece of art every month. And I deeply respect what magazine making is because it's very dichonomous. It's textual and visual. And being editor in chief, it's creative in business. I mean, it's in front of the camera behind the camera, there's so many aspects to it that are complicated that you don't find as much in the digital universe. Now I have run digital brands that are ran the grio. I ran digital for BET. And you know, what you do have in the digital world is an ability to put out a lot more information much more quickly. You know what I mean? So that is a good thing. I mean, you have their speed to it. There's a volume to it. Basically, limitless volume to the team. I'm afraid she can put out. But what you lose is that kind of careful, thoughtful journalism that goes in creating something that's going to live forever. You know, a magazine, once you have it, it exists. It lists forever. When you put something online, of course, there's great journalism on digital platforms. But there is a lot of journalists, and that's much more rushed because you can change it. You know, it doesn't have to stay up forever. You can take it down. You know, people won't see it. It doesn't, it's more femoral, whereas magazines have a permanence that made you incredibly careful. Everybody went into producing magazines, made us all incredibly careful of what we put forth. So and I also miss the visual aspect of it too. I miss the photo shoots. I miss the cover shoots. You know, that's something that again, you don't really get as much in the digital world, at least not to the same extent. You have video, which is fabulous. But you don't have those same kind of fashion shoots that really characterize magazines. I was being an Amy Dubois. Born that. She is in history, first black woman, to have a major mainstream US magazine. That's big, y'all. And as Deputy Editor-in-Chief of Harper's Bazaar, she held senior leadership roles at Paramount, Hers Disney, just to name a few. Just a lot. I made it in Chicago when she was running the helm over Ebony the magazine at the time. But what did I do know about Amy? You understand pivoting, you understand, and I talk about that a lot on my show because a lot of people don't know when to jump on this day and when opportunities in that current location is changing, they don't understand. They might devalue themselves and think it's all on them. Let's talk about pivoting and understanding how you can maintain a balance that is not about you and you should continue to be successful because it is about you. That's interesting. I mean, I have pivoted throughout my life, throughout my career, in my personal life. You know, I've lived in 13 cities on three continents. You know, but in my professional life, you know, I actually started off my current finance. And then I spent some time in the fashion industry. And then I got a graduate degree in creative writing in MFA and started a 20-year box-and-mit career in media. And even within media, I pivoted multiple times. I started off as the Fashion Beauty Futures Editor for Essence Magazine. And then I pitched and eventually became the Editor-in-Chief of Honey Magazine. And then I became the Editor-in-Chief of Team People, which was a pivot because I'd gone from Essence and Honey, which were black and urban magazines to Team People, which was a mainstream magazine. And that's why I became the first black woman to run a major mainstream magazine. That's the team people with the team version of People Magazine. Now, let's listen to state that because people can like stereotype you. Now, that's why I keep talking. You know, one thing I was no aiming, even when we met every week, you know, she said across from me and I'm looking at this. I'm going to tell you this brilliant person tend to understand herself. And I go, I don't get this. Like she just went, you know, we're shining. I was always Essence and Dan and Honey and then with the team People's Magazine. Really, you were from black, black, white, like that. Black, black, black, white. And we just both picked that was just like normal, normal. You go white, white, white, black. But black, black, white, not that. That's not that's something that's happening. So talk to us, miss authentic. Okay. I rule the world author. Okay. Just be real. There's some skill there. And not this casual conversation of being in the room and being even meet people and doing the hard work. You are at the hustle and you have to keep submitting. Come on now. Oh, oh, let me listen. That's why I was trying to talk to you about it in this sort of pivoting conversation because it was not just a pivot, but you're right. It was some, it was some work. So let's just keep it up. Right. Let's just talk about it. So when I was editor in chief of Honey magazine, there was an organization and it still exists called the American Society for Magazine Editors. The acronym is As Me. And that is the most prestigious organization in the magazine and publishing and frankly, you know, media world, right? You can only be a part of that organization if you are an executive editor or above. So basically the top two positions on a mass head of a respected magazine. That is the only way that you are admitted into this organization. They weren't admitting people in this organization from like vibe, the source, they were not admitting, maybe vibe, I guess eventually people came in. I mean, eventually people they started opening up, but largely because I huffled and I formed relationships, you know, and I gave what I had to do basically to get myself admitted to this organization. I had to volunteer for the events. I judged, you know, the, you know, the As Me. Again, that's their, their, their, their acronym for American Society of Magazine Editors. They had a reward ever you're called the LEs. I judged the LEs for them and I proved myself time and again so that they eventually admitted me into the organization, right? And that opened up an incredible number of doors. So when I was admitted into the organization as the editor-in-chief of Honey, again, breaking ground because they were not letting in people from urban magazines at that time. So when I got admitted to the organization, at that point, I started to make, you know, not just do the work, right? Not just prove myself in these rooms with all these editors, which is by the way, a look scary, right? I'm in there with the editor-in-chief of the New Yorker, the editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, the editor-in-chief of the Washington Post, the editor-in-chief, do you see what I mean? The editor-in-chief of Vanity Fair. And me, the editor-in-chief of Honey magazine, judging the LA Awards, you're making commentary about the future of the industry, I had to prove myself to be a worthy colleague. And I did so, that's when the people at Time Inc. that at that time owned People magazine and Team People magazine, that's when they took note. And they started to talk to me about coming on board to Time Inc. because they recognized that I understood culture. They knew that I was a good editor. They saw that I could generate ideas and that I was strategic. But it took a lot of hustle and then a lot of proving myself and a lot of being covenant too. And I walked in those rooms with confidence with the energy of somebody who belonged. If I walked in with the energy of somebody who felt unsure about what I was doing there, if I looked as scared as I felt, then I would not have gotten the respect of the people who then recruited me to be the editor in G15 people. >> There you go. She's aiming me on that. So again, if I rude the world, it's available now. Go to any Amazon, any place you buy your books is available. >> Thank you Amy for coming on Money Making Conversations, Masterclass. >> I appreciate you Sean, as always. >> Thank you for listening to this episode. Now I need for you to do me a favor. 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