“I Got Banned For Saying This!” Steven Crowder Reveals Who’s REALLY Running The US Economy

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And when they all share the same worldview, it's a blind spot. How much money have you lost? By not being PC. Many tens of millions of dollars. I've had people say that I was a hate speaker because I said soccer was. I do! I think so! What political beliefs have you changed your mind on? I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position. Optimistic or pessimistic about America in 10 years? People aren't going to like this answer. Steven Crowder, thank you so much for coming on the Ice Coffee Hour. Thank you for having me on the Ice Coffee Hour. Without iced coffee, by the way. Our apologies. I was wondering if you were going to have it. And I was like, hey, do you think. I turned to Lane, the brain of my producer. I said, do you think they just got locked into this where they were having an idea of something? I know! Ice Coffee Hour. And then you realized you always had to have inventory and you're locked in? That is 100% true. Is it? Yeah. So people think that the name means something. It hardly means anything. And it was just our viewers said, hey, we kind of like this. It's kind of got a ring to it. We signed up for it and we can't change it now because it's been like seven years. I had no idea the podcast would be this big. Oh, that's what everybody said. Oh, stop it. You guys worked your ass off. This didn't just happen by. I didn't know it was going to be this big. But you could still work hard. Yeah, I know. But, you know, maybe just going forward, you should call it like your beverage of choice hour. Because people will be expecting iced coffee. That would be new tonic. Shout out Chris Williamson. I love a new tonic. But anyways, I first found out about you in late high school, early college from the Change My Mind series. You would go tour college campuses, put up a sign that said Change My Mind and have some really fascinating, political and sometimes philosophical or psychological discussions. I'm curious, how difficult is it to change someone's mind? It's not that difficult if you categorize them as two separate people. So I was at Fox News for four and a half years and everything was like a quadrant view, you know. And we would be in the same room sometimes. Like imagine us all here, but we want to make it seem like you're in D.C. and you're in New York. Where one time I got suspended because the guy was sitting next to me and I said, hey, high five my quadrant. And I reached into his and the producer was like, you can't do that because people thought you were in different cities. And so in comedy and stand-up comedy, if you can tell a joke in four words that you're telling in ten, do it in four. Brevity is a soul of wit. With debates that are on air on legacy media, it was about buying up as much time as you could, repeating the same point or saying nothing. It's about eliminating accountability, sounding smart, but buying up time. And you do it for like four minutes, five minutes. And I said, well, these are not as interesting as the conversations that I have off air. I actually wrote a book, pitched it. It was turned down. It was turned down. It was turned down by every major conservative publisher. They said, absolutely not. No one's ever going to want to read this. We want, the Obama blueprint was big. Like, we want doomsday books right now. That's what sells. I pitched the idea as a segment. I pitched the idea to do it online. No. So I just went out and did it. The first time I did it, I think it was in a sandwich board because we couldn't actually get a permit to go anywhere. You'll have a conversation with someone and they'll go, well, I never really thought of that. But there are two kind of separate groups of people. This was the book treatment that I wrote. There are those who are default liberal. Less so today. But back in the day when we were raised, right, it was rock against Bush, you know, a symbol on all the Republicans. It was ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, CNBC. I came up under Andrew Breitbart where everything was left. In other words, if you were not politically active, but you were going to take the default position according to what you watch, what you listen to, you would be a liberal. Those people, their minds can be changed quite often. And we see it quite a bit. And that's the change of my mind is kind of that jujitsu trick where it's like, well, actually, I'm changing your mind by just using the Socratic method. It's not debate. It's rhetoric. There's a separate group of people, people who are the purveyors of the myth of the propaganda where they cannot acknowledge if it doesn't hold water because they're so bought in, they have to sell it anyway. Those people, you don't change their mind. Those people, you make an example of them, make them look silly, as stupid as possible so that the people who are approaching in good faith hear the best argument. But I do think that's the most valuable skill in the political space is being able to recognize the two different kinds of people and which one. You're most likely dealing with. How quickly could you tell what side they're on? Well, it depends. Like if they have a nose ring and blue hair, that's a dead giveaway. Dead giveaway as to what? That I don't like them. That I'm not going to enjoy my time. If they're screeching, they're always. What's the difference between a screech and like a reasonable kind of scream? Yeah. Well, it's usually demonic presence that like if they're yelling, we are legion, you're like, well, I probably want to stay away from that. No, it's you can tell when someone approaches you aggressively. So one of my first. Coaches in jujitsu, he, one time, uh, when I was a white belt, he said, so we have a rule. Okay. If you come a switch with me, I'm going to be switched with you. You come a spicy, I'm going to be spicy, meaning he matches intensity. Uh, and that's what I kind of learned. So you gauge it based on how they're approaching their dead giveaways, like buzzwords. If someone says, uh, if they use the word Latin X unironically, they're an, if they come in and they immediately say like, hi, my name's Sam. Andra and my pronouns are, you know, but you still, you still have to be respectful, but it gives you a pretty, a good idea how it's going to go. So it's, it's always individual, but it's not that hard to see people approaching something in good faith, especially if you treat them respectfully. I always treat people respectfully when they approach. Did anyone change your mind? You know, what's funny is if anything, people ask me this, if anything, sitting down made me more radically, right? So I will tell you this, like I've had my heart broken. It changed my mind. Uh, one that really sticks out as affirmative. Action is racist, changed my mind at UT and there was a girl who sat down. I believe she was Ethiopian and she said, well, I wouldn't be here at UT if not for affirmative action. And I asked a few follow-ups and I said, well, like what were your SAT scores and like that GPA X, they were stellar. And I said, well, that's, that's really sad to me. I said, because you need to know you absolutely deserve to be here. The fact that you're black, that your has nothing to do with it. And if you think that's why you're here, that must be terrible to, do you doubt as to whether you'd be here if you were a white person and she kind of, you could see on her face, she was living in a life dominated by doubt. And it's one thing to read about that on a page, the prejudice of soft expectations. It's another thing to see someone who's lived their life that way, because there's no way to truly develop self-esteem outside of getting really good at something or accomplishing something. If there's a way I don't know about it. And so I've had my heart broken where I go, wow, the people who've actually instated these policies, um, they know better, they know that this is what's going on, but they don't care anyway. So that's where, so if anything, it's. It's made me more radical. I can't really think of any that have brought. Forced stronger rhetoric, like better facts, maybe knew something that you didn't know a more recent study. Oh, sure. Yeah. People who brought forth information. Sure. Um, but you know, new information doesn't on the spot, change your worldview or fundamental principles. So if someone brings forth some new information, like, well, in this case, this social program worked really well in, uh, Denmark, you're like, well, congratulations. It's entirely white and about the size of Rhode Island. We can make social programs work there too. We're talking about a country or three. We're talking about a country or 300 something million people, so there can be some new information. It's pretty rare, um, thanks to people like laying the brain I've, I've, I've always done preparation because I think it's a disservice to just go and talk, um, without being prepared. Yeah. They'll present some, some things definitely to think about, but I don't know that anyone has ever actually convinced me to take a more left position. Can I say something real quick? Uh, could you be careful about tapping the, cause I think it'll be picked up by the mic. I'm sorry. Yes, no problem. I was actually tapping Morse. Ah, this is like. It means I'm, I'm morseing security. This guy has better hair than me. So what is something that the left is fundamentally right about that the right does not want to acknowledge? Nothing. It's gotta be something. Yeah. I mean, but the problem is when you say something like that, you completely alienate all of these people that are like left leaning center that are just gonna say, oh, like what are the chances that let's say half of, uh, uh, a educated American population are completely diluted. excluded like what are the chances there i just think logically speaking if we're split and there's a hundred something million people that believe one thing a hundred something million people that believe the other thing and there's educated people on both sides that there must be merit to it like you can't be the person that's just right on everything i'm not saying i'm the person who's right on everything for i've made like a ton of mistakes probably right now i mean you know i was slapping my hand down like that was the the snow plower in in home alone you know what i mean like that was a mistake but um well let me ask you this flip side of that um how do you have an entire political party there's not one member of the dnc not one national member of the dnc democratic party who will say that there should be any limitations on or that a nine month nine month baby in the womb is a baby is there is there validity to that but that is the dnc and they they need to work together and that's different from people that can just be the average everyday voter that's left leaning center like they don't need to subscribe to the dnc they don't need to subscribe to the dnc they don't need to subscribe to so much because you can say the dnc rnc they have money funneled into them there's other situations at play yeah i see the question i thought you meant from a worldview the prison i don't mean dnc rnc i mean like PNC, RNC, I mean leftism. As far as the left world, nothing. They're right about nothing. Now, as far as presenting something exclusive about which they've provided insight, the answer is still nothing. If it's identifying a similar problem that the right identifies, see, I'm doing it again. See, there's some mistake. It's really easy. I screwed up. I tapped the table. It's really easy to say, well, yeah, we find common ground. Like, for example, the left says public education is broken. Okay, but so do we. The left says we need a government that works better for the people. Well, so do we. The left recognizes that there's growing wealth disparity. Well, so do people on the right. And by the way, I don't shy from this. Like, I think there's a case for tribalism. And I don't mean Republican. There are plenty of Republicans who are useless. But I am conservative. I am right-leaning, and I have been since I was 12 years old, since I've observed the left everywhere that I've been. So we can identify the same problems. But as it relates to the solution, I am literally going to disagree with the left on everything. There's no solution to wealth inequality. From the left. Outside of take from someone to give to someone else. There's no solution from the left on education, aside from throw more money into a system that's broken. There's no solution from the left as it deals with Second Amendment rights, First Amendment rights, that actually would be something I could agree with. So when people say this stuff now, they go, man, they just want us left versus right so we don't focus on the elites, man. I go, well, hold on a second. There are Jews, for example. That's a really popular topic right now. Like, the Jews, right, tied your shoes together and you're going to trip when you fall getting off the chair. I probably disagree with, uh, American Jews on most things. Certainly theologically. But not everything. I probably disagree with most Black American voters on a lot. But not everything. I probably disagree with a lot of billionaires or millionaires on a good amount of, if we're categorizing them this way. I am going to disagree with the left's proposed solution in this country on everything. And I just think that clarity for me is important. I don't shy away from it. I still will sit down and have these conversations. I mean, I'm the guy who does. But what good idea is coming from the left? Really? Like, what good idea is coming from the left today? What are the good ideas coming from the right? Closing the borders. Deporting illegal aliens who are here. Allowing people to keep more of what they've earned. Allowing school choice. Just a really easy one. Attaching the voucher to the student as opposed to putting it directly in a school. Now, there's actually an interesting kind of, maybe answer to your question. Where I was raised in Canada, in Quebec, which is a socialist, it's not political, the idea of school choice. So I went to a school, a high school, that in the United States I would not be able to go to. Because if you're willing to drive, get on a bus, you can choose your school. It was very new to me when I came to the United States to go, wait a second, I have to go to one school based on a zip code? And it's politicized here. So for example, in the UK, I think, most of Europe, suppressors, silencers, are not a political issue if you're a hunter. It's considered noise pollution. It's considered polite to use a suppressor. But here, everyone thinks that it's going to be, you know, Mr. Corleone says hello, in the middle of the night, or you're going to come with a piano wire. No, so there are issues that are not political that have been politicized here that maybe aren't right-left. I can't think of anything valid from the left as far as the right. I mean, all of those. Immigration, school, taxes, Second Amendment, First Amendment. What do you think the right could be improving on then? I mean, the right could always improve on the messaging. Like, that's the reason I'm here. But what about from a policy perspective? Because the messaging, I feel like, is also sort of like you're kind of pushing off the actual answer to the question. Because, like, that's, it's saying that there's nothing, like, inherently wrong or fundamentally wrong or from a theory perspective, incorrect. The Republican Party, the administration, or the right-wing worldview? Because I just don't, I don't find any flaw with a right-wing worldview. I just don't. I think it's the right one. I mean, nothing is perfect, right? But that's kind of built into a right-wing worldview. In other words, as a Christian, I believe that human beings are inherently sinful and selfish if left to our own devices. That's why we need a God greater than us to redeem us. And I don't believe there can be any redemption outside of Christ, right? Don't do that to offend anybody. That's what all Christians primarily believe. So in order to mitigate that, I don't want to centralize that power, assuming that a small subset are going to be inherently virtuous, like those in government. The only way that a large, centralized government can work is if you believe people are so bad, if left to their own devices, that these people, these sort of priests, they can get it right and they'll be beyond corruption. So as far as a worldview, the sinful nature, the flawed nature, the selfish nature of human beings is built into a free enterprise system where that damage is mitigated, which is why I'm just right-leaning. So let's distill it down to this then. If it's the theory of the left and not the policy prescriptions being proposed by them, but let's just say more liberal theory, what is the strongest belief of liberal theory? Marxism. Marxism. That is the most valid. Reviewing everything. If you want to understand the left, and I've talked about this, and we right away got into politics. I know we're going to discuss some other things, but I'm happy to do this, is, okay, pick any issue, right? I'm sure we've all seen this, like queers for Palestine. It's funny, right? Because if those queers went to Palestine, it would be men for a week. It's silly. How do you have a Palestinian flag next to a rainbow flag? It makes no sense. It does. It makes sense when you understand Marxism. They view every single individual issue through the lens of oppressor, oppressed. And oppressor is just the byproduct of success, of whatever gains you've made. That's why if you're wealthy, you're bad. If you're a white male, you're bad. So in this country, trans, oppressed. LGBTQ, oppressed. In the Israeli conflict with Palestine, well, they're less successful, so they're oppressed. Remember the Stop Asian Hate campaign that went away really quickly when we found out, who was committing the actual hate crimes against Asians? Black Americans. Doesn't mean all Black Americans, just as far as interracial crime statistics. They discard useful minorities if it doesn't help them perpetuate that narrative. Pick any topic, and I'll show you. You want to understand it? Look at it through the lens of who's the oppressor, who's the oppressed. That's how they see everything. And I don't hate someone for being more successful than me. I don't hate someone for being part of a larger majority group than myself. That's the fundamental difference. We view individuals and character and systems, and they view oppressor oppressed. So who is the most reasonable person on the left, then? So back in the day, it would have been people like Alan Combs, you know, at Fox News. I used to do his show on Fridays. Today, it'd be pretty tough. 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Yeah, transitioning kids and taking them away from parents if it's not affirmed. Right, but if we had to pay. Probably like a Piers Morgan because he's like, he's mostly liberal. He's just kind of annoying. And I say this as a friend of his who does his show all the time. Like, I try and avoid the Second Amendment with him or the First Amendment. But he's more reasonable. He's parted ways with the left. And he's more reasonable. And he'll actually sit down and have a conversation and concede some good points. So there are people like him out there. There really aren't many, though. There aren't many. People who identify as moderate, sure. Who would you say is harder to debate? Someone extremely intelligent or someone extremely stupid? No, I'd definitely say someone supremely intelligent as far as. And I'm no skilled debater, by the way. Like I said, this is rhetoric. I wasn't trained up in it. There are people out there who are far better than me in debate. People like Ben Shapiro, people like Andrew Wilson. I'm really kind of sitting down and having a conversation. And you can see, I believe what I believe passionately, so I'm willing to defend the position. People who are really stupid. Do any of you do any sports or any combat sports? Mm-mm. So you don't get hurt, like in, let's say, judo or wrestling. You don't get hurt rolling with a black belt or a pro. You get hurt rolling with someone who's new. Because at a certain point, you're going, okay, we're trying to mimic competition and combat, but we want to come back and train tomorrow. Whereas the white belt just comes in and just grabs your leg and reefs it. You know what I mean? It wouldn't win a fight, but it can hurt you. So you can't train the next day. So often, new people can kind of be spazzy and they'll just throw something at you like, yeah, but what about Jewish space lasers? You're like, ah, I wasn't ready for that because it's imaginary. So that can throw you for a loop. But again, I think most people kind of see it for what it is. Who's been your toughest debate? Oh, all of them. Is there one that stands out? I mean, this right now, because there's two of you, and it's kind of a little bit of a girl. I feel honored. No, no, I'm joking. I am. You know, one thing for me is. I always get very nervous before I any type of sit-down so i've had like ufc heavyweight champions on i had thomas solon who was you know like for me a hero and as far as an economist brian shaw the world's strongest man like four times so i've had people on the show who are excellent and um i've asked them a question that often stumps them and it's one that i really want the answer to i said what are the harder losses to handle where you made a mistake you zagged when you should have zigged or you went right when you should have gone left does that eat at you more than you did everything right you put in all the work you slept right you ate right you know you did debate prep correctly and you still came up short the opponent was better than you anyway and they always take a little while to answer but i'd say probably like seven out of ten times they go now the one the one where i made a mistake because i can kind of accept that i gave it my all and someone else was better because maybe they were just better that day so i would say really the the most difficult ones are ones where you're not going to make a mistake and you're not going to make a mistake where i go back and maybe i was really tired or stressed or there was like a security issue so my brain was somewhere else one time when i was doing a change my mind in austin alex jones showed up in an armored vehicle and yelled at the top of his lungs steven crowder me so it wasn't so much a debate but that was like well we're like well we're done here this is no longer going to be a sit down with anybody that's how we became friends actually and i think probably one thing that i have going for me is i speak to everyone pretty similarly and i just said alex i mean i'm going to edit i said alex what the he goes what i said you just we have this permit and we're there and he just yelled at the top of your lungs that i do what she's like i just thought it'd be funny i'm like okay but now we can't do what we came here to do he's like oh i'm sorry i just i just thought it'd be funny and you know i will have you on the show and talk about it and we became friends after and i disagree with him on probably 80 again assuming someone's acting in good faith if you sit down and talk with people you would be amazed at what you can accomplish and i think it's people with whom you can't reason there are people where it doesn't matter and and they wouldn't lift a finger to help you if you were on fire and you can only know who those people are if you really have exhausted every opportunity every possibility i'd have to think about who's been the toughest uh debate who's been the most intelligent person you've debated people aren't going to like this answer nick fuentes really yeah nick fuentes is a sharp kid he's a sharp kid and and the reason why i also said that because because he came on a second time too first time people thought was too friendly but i also understand um where he's coming from you have 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lot of people sort of on the the marxist dissident right right now but i i always make sure to never sandbag people so i made sure my producer told him like look this is not going to be an unfair debate uh steven is going to play your clips you know the most clipped moments you can address them and you can see where you actually disagree and then he's going to ask you about a path going forward he said okay we did it and he was respectful it was fair and the next time he came on it was a little more free flow and it got pretty heated uh i think there's a reason and it's not just because of his views on israel it's not just because of you know whatever the groiper war things like that i think he can catch people flat-footed because he's very good at arguing his position whether you think it's a terrible position or not anyone who dismisses him and just says wow he's an idiot i think he's very good at arguing his position whether you that's someone who doesn't want that matchup. How much of that, those just technical skills and that you're really good on your facts versus just being really persuasive? It seems like some people just, they're wrong, but they have really good speaking skills. That's true. You can make up for it. Like there are a lot of people who will sound great and then you're sitting like, wow, he didn't say anything. You know, both are relevant. I wouldn't say with Nick, he's a funny guy. It's disarming, but he also has very good recall. And he's able to, he's also been in the thick of it. I mean, since he was 18, this kid was boxed out from, you know, conservative ink or big con, whatever you want to call it. And you could say rightfully so. But I mean, I invited on my show, for example, I've had Ben Shapiro on the show about like a dozen times. And at one point I said, hey, Ben, Tucker, Candace, Levin, Nick, anyone, I'll host a debate between you or I'll have a conversation with you. Nick answered the call. And I respect people who do show up. That doesn't mean I'm going to debate every single person with, you know, a random Twitter avatar from Bangladesh, but he's willing to stand in the pocket and defend it. And for that, I respect him. And I would say he is tough. I would say that he's clever. And outside of that, that's one that really sticks out to me. He's done a good job lately. Like I saw that he went on Andrew Callahan's show, Channel 5 with Hunter Biden. So I thought that was interesting. It seems like he says, yes, to virtually everything. And he does a great job disarming people with comedy. So he's a funny and interesting case to observe. Well, what people will say about him, and I asked him about this, is they say there's podcast Nick and then there's real Nick right on his show. So he'll go on someone else's show and he'll be far more amenable to a reasonable point of view. And then he goes on his show and he's more radical. Well, I asked him about that. And I said, well, you're saying this now, but, and I read him his quotes about Stalin. I said, are you going to go back on your show and switch? He goes, no, no, no. And he explained the context. And as far as I've seen, he's, he's been consistent and he's been, he's been fair about it. So if you were to ask me, who's someone who I think will give anyone a tough day out, definitely someone like him. If you could have one debate happen, who would you want to debate? I don't know. That's a tough one. Two other people. Cause I would say if it was me, they asked me to debate Candace Owens at this debate con thing. They said, we'll pay you 30,000. I said, okay, sure. They said, she said no. And I said, well, she can have mine. And then she still said no. So that's one that I'm not going to chase her around. And like my friend, Andrew raised $300,000 because I've done enough of these. But that would be one that I think is interesting. Outside of that, I, I don't know. It would be interesting just to see Tucker and Ben just because they've kind of been two dogs staring each other through the fence and Ben says he wants to do it. I think he's genuine in that. And here's the thing for me. And I don't, this is unfair toward, toward Tucker. And I don't want to be divisive here because I know people line up on one side or the other. But Tucker has no problem insulting and calling out Ben. Now I have a rule. If I insult or call you out, even if you're like an OnlyFans chick and you say, hey, that's not fair. And you asked to be in, I'll host you because I'm the one who drew first blood. Even if it was meant to be funny. To me, if you're going to snip, you're going to chirp at somebody. Will you also have to make that walk and answer the call? Seems from what we know, Ben has said yes, whether you agree with him or not. And, and Tucker has declined. So that's one that I would probably like to see if only because I think it might provide some clarity. And I don't agree with either one of them on everything. I disagree with both of them probably in a substantial amount. But, you know, I do have respect for them. What's interesting is that Tucker came from Fox and you used to work for Fox. What was that contract like when you worked there? You were actually the youngest paid contributor at Fox, right? At 21 years old? Yeah. It sucked. I mean, they were very nice to me, to be fair. But I was there for like four and a half years. You know, like when people, there's that whole like, are we there yet? Well, there was no there yet. So early on, like if you look at the early YouTube videos I did, the first ones I did were 2006. My brother was actually one of the first, I think, 100 YouTube partners. And then the political videos that I did were just sort of taking stand-up videos. The first one with a blue bed sheet in the background was Crazy Pizza Barn, where I just read from Planned Parenthood. Because they read like bad used car sales. I'm offering quality at affordable prices. And I had a little bow low tie. And that got like 20,000 plays. And I manually added the first 10,000 subscribers that I had. Because you could message them back then. There were no conservatives, but there were some channels. So I thought, hey, you like this channel. You might like my video on the Second Amendment doing an impression of Michael Moore. They brought me on at that point because it was very novel. There were no conservatives sort of on YouTube. They didn't know what they wanted to do with me. They just knew that they didn't want anyone else to have me. So really what the contract was, was I couldn't appear anywhere else. I think what happened was they brought me on. There was a show called Red Eye. And then they brought me on Fox and Friends. And it was for debate. And it should have been a layup for them. And I just kind of gave them a tough time. So they started feeding me more debates. Where I actually had a debate. on Fox and Friends every Sunday for a while. And Tucker would often host that with Alicia Menendez, Bob Menendez's daughter, you know, the Senator who's been like stashing gold and I don't know where he is now, probably in an orange jumpsuit. And then at a certain point they told her like, yeah, you probably shouldn't do these debates anymore. She like worked for a nonprofit. They told her to stop. So I was there doing that for a while, but I kind of knew there wasn't really a future. Like they would ask me to put on a jacket or a polo. Like, ah, could you just like be a little less rough around the edges? You know, kind of asked me to not be me. And that was a really tough, I will tell you, I had this, it's funny enough, I had this framed for a very long time in my office until my friend said, you shouldn't have this and got rid of it. But it was a Daily Beast article when I left Fox News, the unmaking of a conservative pundit. I was like 24, 25. And it was basically my professional obituary about how everything is done and it's rising star and it's over. And it was after that, and after I had a radio deal fall, where I just said, you know what? I'm never going to be beholden to anyone else for a check again. And when loser draw, I'm going to go do this by myself. So I'm very thankful to Fox News. And there were a lot of people there who were great. The contract is exclusivity where they just don't want certain people to appear somewhere else, which makes sense. They don't often know how to develop it. I mean, I'll give you this one thing. At one point they were working with me to do a, like kind of a comedy show, but it was not very funny. And there was a producer, an older guy, and I'm talking about a guy who was a producer. And I'm talking about a guy who was a producer. And he was like 85, but like three-year-olds, like Old Testament, Abraham type. I don't even know how that happens. And he had an idea of a monkey on roller skates. Like when the screen test stuff wasn't working, he's like, you know, it'd be great. We can have a monkey. I actually think that would be good. People would watch it. You think so until you have to go through the logistics and the monkey's going to be everywhere. It's like, well, let's have a diaper. Oh, the diaper. Oh my gosh. I like that even more now. Maybe I was too much of a Puritan where I wanted to actually have content, but I was like, okay, this probably isn't going to, probably isn't going to work going forward. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I will say in this setup, I mean, you have plenty of space. This is like Tim Pool's skate park. We could just have it going on the entire, yeah, we could set up a half pipe. Yeah. It'd just be like kind of going back and forth the whole time. You could teach it to like pickpocket where you're like, hey, have some iced coffee. That would be good. Just steal their gold bars. Yeah. Everyone has a gold sponsorship now. So could Fox then tell you what to say and what not to say? No. They allowed you to speak freely on whatever you want to. Well, okay. There were two parts to your question there. Tell me what to say, never. Tell me that this may not be something good to talk about. Yeah. What were those things? Criticisms, I will say, maybe of certain people. Like during Barack Obama, that second election against Mitt Romney, I mean, I made fun of him a lot. And I've made fun of Donald Trump a lot. I've made fun of everybody a lot. But they didn't like it. And at that point, I think it got down. The choice was like him, Gingrich, and Santorum. And I think at that point, I said, you know what? If I have to choose, I guess I'd choose Santorum because I think he'd probably do better in the Rust Belt than Mitt Romney. He's seen as less elitist. They didn't like that. And then there was one where I won't give you the name, but someone at Fox News was a producer and would produce themselves on-air segments. And they would take things that I had done, like on my YouTube channel, and then produce it on-air. And I knew it when there was a segment where this host presented it as though they had gone to Detroit. And some of the footage was the old Packard plant. And I knew that the area on camera was my footage because that area was no longer there. And I actually complained. I was like, look, I'm just like this, kid who's a contributor, but, you know, I create this content on my own on YouTube and I pay for it. And I'd like to be able to come on and talk about it because I don't make my entire living from the contributorship. And it's kind of tough if you have a producer and they said, we see that, we understand that, but I wouldn't ever bring that up again because that person is, you know, in very good graces here. And I was like, oh, okay. 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So ABC, NBC, CBS MSNBC, CNN, they're kind of all one and the same. Fox News was the one exception. Now, I was raised in Canada where we didn't have Fox News. We didn't even have AM radio. I was lucky if on a good day I could pirate a station on my radio from Plattsburgh, New York if I drove close enough to the border to hear like Rush Limbaugh or something like that. So I wasn't really starstruck when I went into Fox News. But I always thought it was funny. I'm like, well, you guys have everything not named Fox News and you complain about Fox News. I'm like, you guys have the entire entertainment industry and media and basically Rush Limbaugh sort of revived this dead medium AM radio and then all of a sudden you guys want to have equal time on AM radio and they tried it with was it Radio America or Air America and it sucked. No one listened to it. So I noticed there was a real stranglehold on media and then that happened. I watched. This was very important for me. So Andrew Breitbart was very formative for me. Before that, I was just an actor and a comic. I started acting when I was 12 in Canada and started doing stand-up when I was a teenager and I heard Andrew Breitbart on the Dennis Miller show and this is when I would listen online. Remember back then before YouTube or like for Spotify or Pandora, you'd like go to a website and open a Flash player. You're like, yeah, geocities.dennismiller, Angel Fire and he was talking about this thing, Big Hollywood and I just tried to find him and looked him up and he spoke with me for like 45 minutes like I was a senator and he just started posting my videos. If you go back and watch the original videos in 2008, you'll see like at the end it says, bighollywood.bright bart.com just as a thank you to him and hot air that was Michelle Malkin's thing and they didn't get along that well but they never put me in the middle of it which I'm very appreciative of and I'd like us to go back to. Disagreements are good. Character assassination isn't but I watched Andrew Breitbart. He was the bell of the ball with the acorn scandal, right? James O'Keefe, Hannah Giles and then what happened is he got screwed by hosts. I believe it was Shirley Sherrod. She was the department of the Department of Agriculture, Interior, something like that and he ran on his website this clip of her speaking at the NAACP and she said, you know, and then I realized that the white farmer wanted help and I did not help him as much and the audience cheers. Andrew Breitbart posted this clip but right underneath it he writes, now, later on in this video with the time code, she goes on to explain that she realized it wasn't about white versus black but it was about class. So her humanity got the better of her but the NAACP audience cheering the racist act didn't know that right at that point. So he contextually was appropriate. Bill O'Reilly, I think Glenn Beck and some hosts ran it. They just ran her saying, I did not help the white farmer and they go, despicable. And so she got fired and they blamed Andrew and then when it came out that she later on said, and of course I realized that that was wrong, they go, I can't, Andrew, this is the kind of gotcha journalism we don't want and he was persona non grata but he didn't make the mistake. It was editors on the shows who didn't want to take accountability. So he wasn't allowed back for a long time. And I watched that and I watched it slowly eat away at him and then the anthony weiner scandal happened where he was you know other women who were uh not his wife they may i don't know if they were underage but they were young and andrew breitbart got this story and everyone was just saying well you can't trust that it's andrew breitbart this is a fake scandal there was a press conference anthony weiner was hosting at a hotel in dc he's there at the podium and he's about to go out and say and these awful smears designed to destroy my family we will pursue them it's all false and andrew breitbart was there and people will tell you they said andrew breitbart's in the building yelled it out and he took that podium and he said i have the pictures here but for the sake of his family i don't want to reveal them publicly and i want you to apologize i want you to clear my name because you said that i lied about this and anthony weiner has to take the stage after that wow tear up his speech i'm sorry it's true he was ready to destroy that man's life you now that doesn't just happen because anthony weiner is some charmer it happens because he knows that every single network will carry that water and destroy that man's life and if he didn't have the receipts they still would have believed anthony weiner and that's about one man against the entire system so that's how they control it because if anthony weiner says it's a lie they all said it's a lie andrew breitbart's a liar they didn't ask him they didn't reach out to andrew so i saw that firsthand and so i always say like as far as i'm concerned i'm not going to as a conspiracy, a good litmus test, because now conspiracies are all the rage, right? Some of them are true. I think especially since COVID, a lot of people feel shell-shocked. Some of them aren't. A good test is how many people have to be involved for this to work. So like, you know, Area 51, the janitor who's keeping the trash underground, right? Like it's too many people to not talk. When you talk about big tech censorship or media, it's really just a conference call of 10 people. Like Alex Jones, agree, disagree, love him, hate him. It just needed to be a call between about six people to say, yeah, we're going to de-platform them. And it all happened within 24 hours. That's not a conspiracy. That's a business decision that makes sense for people to preserve a narrative. That's how. So who do you think is at the top of it all then? Like who are the people that are calling the shots? Well, I don't think there's one person at the top. I think it's this unholy amalgamate, this unholy sort of giant transformer of DNC, leftist worldview, people in the Beltway, in New York, in DC, and those in media. I mean, I've been there. That's also why I don't go to even like CPAC or places like that. They're all having cocktail parties. And at certain points, like, no, no cocktails. It's, you can see it with your own eyes. So I don't know if they were all like, well, absolutely, Andrew Breitbart must be lying to the point that we're all going to the same parties. I don't know if they were all like, we're not going to even make a phone call and ask for a receipt, or if they all just said, hey, Wiener's our guy. Or if they all just said, you know, Barack, sure, Barack Obama, people are saying that he, you know, did with a convicted domestic bill heirs, and he's written about it in his own book. But we're just going to ignore it. Do they believe that it's a myth, or do they not pursue the truth? I don't know, but they all move as a flock. Who in media do you think espouses beliefs that they do not even believe? I don't know. I try. I try to stay out of the business of ascribing motive. I always say, again, from a viewership perspective, from a viewer, their perspective, if someone is very, very inconsistent, where it seems like their foundational principles have shifted, and they go back and forth, and they don't have a flash of genius moment. Like, a good example is Mitt Romney, when he was running for president. He was a pro guy, even though he was a Republican, his whole life. And then when he ran for president, he's like, no, I'm pro-life now. Okay. Why? Because I've actually changed my mind. I had someone come on the show later on who changed when I said, you're going to meet your son in heaven one day. And she became a pro-life activist, but she didn't know beforehand. Mitt Romney just said, no, I just thought about it. It's like, well, you were already Mormon. You were already allegedly a man of faith, right? So you already knew these things. You already were supposed to have a foundational belief as to where life begins. Whether someone agrees with it or not, this should be dictated to him by his self-professed faith, and it didn't his whole life. He didn't have a good reason. That seems like it's political expediency. So if someone switches, and it's a legal term, flash of genius, right? There's a moment we find out when great inventions are created that it can usually be traced to a moment, and it's actually used as a standard often in court. Somebody just goes, ah, I was a liberal, but now I'm a conservative. Ah, now I'm a black pillar. It's like, the only thing consistent is pursuing clicks. And you see that a lot. Are some political opinions more profitable to have? Oh, yeah. What's the most profitable and what's the least profitable? Well, it's changed quite a bit. So when I got into it, again, coming in as an actor in a stand-up, doing stuff on YouTube, it was only a cost. I lost my manager. I lost my agent. I was banned from colleges. I had dates that were rescinded. All of this, this is before I was even really known. That's different now because media has sort of fractured, right? So both can be profitable. Once upon a time, you could only exist in the landscape if you leaned left or if you were a permissible sort of token right person, right, who would sit down at a panel and they'd beat your ass a little bit and then say, hey, weren't we balanced? You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. Gemini and Chrome is here for it, ready to make online make sense. Check responses, setup required compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. Now there's a way to pursue any type of niche, you know, like whether it's mumblecore rap. I mean, it's profitable to have like a crazy conspiracy theory podcast for the same reason it's more profitable now to have a mixed martial arts podcast. But there's certain money within different sectors, like funnel money, probably for propaganda reasons to, you know, push out some sort of a narrative. Like, are there certain beliefs that you think are, there's a lot of money in that are profitable to have? Because Graham is trying to figure out what beliefs he should take on. Is that, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what it is? I want to know what this says. What is the context of the person? Oh, I don't know about China, so much. Oh, so good at China. So much of China, better than all the United States, a red book. Do not edit that out. I don't care if YouTube says it's not friendly. There is obviously foreign influence. And by the way, that's true for all governments. It's true for Israel. There's validity there. It's certainly true for Qatar, for China, if you run the numbers. Are they literally the country sending money to people? So I heard, and this is a conspiracy on Twitter or X, that China is giving us this propaganda about AI data centers and how AI is bad and how AI is, you know, horrible for the environment and this and that, just for them to be able to get a leg up on AI. I don't know if that's a thing, but if it is, how are they getting it out there? Is it through like shorts? Is it like Well, China, I mean, TikTok was a big thing. So I've been banned from TikTok for a long time. Now, to be fair, we did have a segment called TikTok, please ban me, where I would just take 30 seconds per show, you know, Xi Jinping as a small, did you know, and it'd just be a bunch of facts. They didn't ban me when I did that because they knew there were too many eyeballs on it. They banned me in the dead of night once I got bored of the segment, but absolutely they do. They're willing to fund propaganda. I mean, if you think that Iran, Russia, China, Israel, if you think that they're not picking sides or fights in these global affairs, I mean, you're, you're, you're silly with China, the data center thing. So I know that that's true, not just because whatever the, uh, I think it was the FBI or if it was the DOJ who said that they found a big bot ring. I know it because I've followed direct, uh, CCP accounts on X that have said data centers are so bad for the environment while they build data centers at record speed over there. Right. So I can see that with my own eyes. Now that is not to say, and here's the problem, the messaging problem is if you say this is all propaganda, well, that doesn't take into account the person who lives in a neighborhood where maybe a data center has been a serious problem or a blight for them. So you can't dismiss everyone as a tool of propaganda. And in some cases they may have been convinced by the propaganda and not know it. But yeah, we certainly see a lot of that. I mean, you saw that with the pro-Russia propaganda at one point, like, look, they have great grocery stores. Look at the subway. It's like the interviewer it's a fake town. It's not a real subway. Tucker Carlson to like shill for the grocery stores. I have no idea. I know that he didn't include the average income of a Russian and what they wouldn't, wouldn't be able to afford. It's like, Hey, look, this loaf of bread is 30% less and their salary is 98% less. You know, to me, it's really weird when you see people like propping up something that we know is false. Uh, I mean, you see it from the left too, with like the communist Cuban government, we just saw that. So yeah, there, there is an incentive. I will say this. I'm kind of insulated from it. And. By that, I mean, early on, I was like, okay, the stuff that I'm saying is probably gonna, probably gonna get me banned or, you know, demonetized wasn't a term at that point. Sorry. I kind of set the, I was the pace car for the rest of you guys on YouTube. So that's when I created mug club, a subscription thing where I was like, okay, I don't want to be beholden to YouTube advertising dollars. Um, I was very clear with my audience as I did that. And I never wanted to be beholden to nonprofits. So I will say this, there are definitely a lot of major nonprofits in the United States. Both on the left and on the right, where if you go beyond those guard rails, those donors just aren't going to show up. Yeah. And the truth is, in this industry, you owe. Patrice O'Neill said this, like, at some point, you owe. And so if someone else is funding it, if someone else is donating it, if it's a nonprofit, but it's an investor, it's really a donor, they are going to have some expectations. And that's why I've avoided that. And that's why I'm kind of an island for better or worse. The same thing if you're getting a lot of deals directly through some of these big tech companies, you do have to play ball. So that's how the influence is sort of exerted. It's exerted in a soft way where you're just not allowed at the cool kid's table if you say the thing that you're not allowed to say. And then there's a cottage industry for that, where now everyone just goes, see, we're not allowed to say, and it's all about the Jews. And then some people, it's all about Iran. And neither one is accurate. It's interesting you mentioned you had some dates rescinded, because I actually had that happen to me literally two nights ago. I was on Hinge. I had matched with someone. And then if you match with someone on Hinge, you can add a note to your profile. And so it says, you've matched with them. But before you start talking to them, you need to read their note. And their note was like, if you are conservative or this or that, then don't even match with me. I don't even know. I didn't really read it. Anyways, I- Well, maybe that's why you're losing dates. No, it's fine. You're like, I was like, she's like, well, he just doesn't listen at all. He doesn't read my profile. I mean, I don't even know what it was about. But it's like, hey, if you have a note like that, or just some sort of note in general, include it in the profile instead of something that only appears. Because if you actually wanted to use it as a filter, then use it as a filter. Don't use that. I guarantee you, if I look like Channing, Tatum, she'd be like, I don't care. Yeah, probably. But you're a good looking guy. I didn't mean those dates. I meant performance dates. But what is that? I meant like standup dates, tour dates. You're just like, oh man, you're like the panda at the zoo that needs to get lucky. But it happens. And it's crazy because like this, literally the girl, she asked, oh, well, what do you do for a living? I was like, well, I make YouTube videos. And then she apparently reverse image searched my profile, found it online, went to it. How did you? And she's like, oh yeah, I saw that you did YouTube. You know, your, your channel is interesting. It's about finance. I was like, well, how did you know that she explained the whole thing? Okay. And then obviously kudos to her. She did a re she did really well research. That's good. And then after that, she said, you know, what's your opinion on having some people with, you know, conservative opinions on your podcast? And I was like, well, it'd be pretty boring if I only brought on people with one opinion, right? Like I'm not the person that's going to determine what the audience should or should. Like I want to bring on everybody. I think that's interesting. And then she was like, yeah, this is probably not going to work out. And she's like, for that reason, I'm going to unmatch like, no. And what was she, was she attractive or no? One, it would be funny if I said no, but yeah, I mean, she was, she was pretty, but I didn't feel like I had lost anything, you know, like attraction wise. Like I didn't think, I didn't think it was a huge, but did you tell her how tall you were? Cause you're a tall guy. I'm a tall guy, but you tell her that you're wealthy, tall, drink of water. Cause if you said I'm tall and wealthy, that wouldn't care. That's what you may think. But she seemed to be wealthy. She seemed to be very, you know, stuck in that way, which I thought was interesting. Granted, is she attractive? She's okay. But she was in Vegas and Vegas is low. So in Vegas, she was high. So Vegas, Vegas, you're saying women are not attractive in Vegas? Yes. Really? Yes. A lot of them are transient. So you have like, no, I'm migrating. So you get people in for a weekend. They don't count. They don't count. The attractive women that are in Vegas from my, granted, there are some people that are attractive that live in Vegas, but a lot of the attractive women that are in Vegas, they come in, they, you know, stand behind the DJ at four in the morning early on a Sunday. It's like, do I want to go get coffee with them at 9am? Probably not. You know, I'd rather them go back to their suite, you know, with the DJ, like, you know, stay out of my life. You built this whole situation up in your mind, man. Like, this is very, like, they're going back to their suite with a DJ and here I am with my stupid coffee in the morning. Nah, you gotta have more confidence. It's gotta be tough to date high profile. Cause I went through that. It was very, very brief. And I determined like, oh man, I don't want to date any, I don't want to date any, I don't want to date someone who's a super fan. Cause I went on a date with someone, great girl, just to be clear. But you know, I'm meeting a stranger and she knew everything about me. And I'm like, you know, this one time I'm telling a story about like the time I had to put my dog down and she's like, oh yeah, with Hopper. And she knew it. I'm like, oh, well, there's this one time that she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That. And she knows it because, you know, my, my life is kind of an open book. And I was like, well, this is, this is weird. Like, you know, this is kind of the lead up to the, to the kiss goodnight, you know, the peck, but I don't want the peck because I don't get to have the conversation. You know, you know, everything about me. And that's the one thing that's weird about, about fame, um, or perceived fame is we're going to study this one day you're in a room and you're seeing faces that are completely new to you. And these people think that you have an intimate relationship with them because they know you and it causes them to act in a weird way. Like a big thing with security is not just people who, who, who hate me and try to, you know, that happens a lot. Sometimes you'll get fans who have like no sense of, of boundaries. I had a guy, I was at a grocery store. Who came up and asked for a picture. First off, he grabbed me and I almost launched him in the cereal aisle. He like grabbed me from behind. It's like, what is wrong with you? He's like, Oh, I just grabbed you. You know? I was like, okay. Yeah. He went to take a picture and he went to take a picture. And he, my was on my hip and he goes like, Oh, you're pecking heat. I'm like, the fuck? Don't grab a man's. Are you, are you, are you functionally? He was like, Oh, well, you know, I just thought it'd be funny. Cause I have two shows and I'm like, put that, put that away. So you'll get these people. It's really weird. Dating. I would imagine has to be. Has to be tough, but you're a good looking guy. I think we have a different audience. Our finance audience is the most like 95% male. So it's not like it's really doing me any favor, but even then of, of the men, it's always like entrepreneurs, business owners, the men of the 95%. That doesn't matter. I'm just saying, I'm not saying everyone that we've met so far has been matter to men matter. Extremely normal. Like we've never really had any like weird. One guy shook my hand for too long. And that was probably the worst. And he used his index finger, kind of rubbed the back of his hand for me. Oh, no, that's a signal. That's a signal that he's a, he's a bottom, but that's unfortunate. You guys want to compete for that position for, for me. What's interesting for you? Look, he came to play. All right. What's interesting is like a lot of the times they'll come up. Hey, love the podcast. Don't want to bother you. That's it. Which is amazing. Yeah. Like people are very respectful. I think it might be a little bit different. No, no. I will say my political generally, they're very, very good. I will say I've had very limited bad interactions. Um, which I. I guess, I don't know if I should say this, but the perception is that I'm a much smaller guy than I am. I think because people see me at a desk and, uh. No, but you're always hunched over at the desk. What? Go ahead. Go right ahead, man. This is your favorite thing to talk about. Getting that, Jack. Over back at men in the bottom thing. By the way, it's okay. All lifestyles are, you know, look, one time I was with a, so I'm a relatively big guy and I think the perception is that I'm smaller and Gerald is huge. And one time I was there and there was a guy, I don't know, it was like a meet and greet or something. And I was sitting down and someone went like, I stood up and he went like, Oh, I didn't know. Or something to that. I could hear him. And then you'll have to bleep this. And I hate to use the words I've invaded. It's just so funny. Gerald stood up and I heard the guy go, cause he's like six, five, two 60. And sometimes people have no idea like, Oh, these are real people and how they navigate the real world. And it's just a different perception. It meets reality. And sometimes it makes for, you have to allow for the fact that it's the first time they're meeting someone like that guy rubbing the back of your hand, you know, very gently. He probably, he probably like walked through that multiple times in his mind. This is gonna be good for me. This is a good move. It's gonna pan out well. Yeah. But no, they're generally, um, great, uh, in person because usually people who, who talk crap and stuff, I had, I've had a few negative interactions. Um, the ones you're concerned with are the people who you don't hear from who, you know, who plot. And that's the reason for the security that we have to have. Which politicians do you think truly do not care about money? Probably myself. Um, in the sense that like, I mean, you can ask them, I, I literally have to have my family members or friends. They will buy something for me. Cause I just, I, I go, is this going to measurably improve my life? No. Like I drove an old Ford for a very, very long time. And in my mind, I'm like, I pretty much have all the same stuff in this car that Bill Gates has like, okay, I've got, I've got whatever Apple play. I've got a cooled heated seats. Like the answer is very few things measurably improve your life. As far as politicians, you know, the ones who, the one who's probably the least able to be bought would be someone like a Donald Trump because he already has financial independence. And I think there's some. There's some value in that, but that doesn't mean that you can't want more. Like there's some people who have that, but still it's like, well, I have a hundred million or a billion not wanting to get rich. Yes. But it would seem like he's in a different stage of his life. His network. It was a meaningful sacrifice for him to leave running his businesses, to run for office. That's something unique about it. I feel like he's made more money in office than he has his entire career in business. Now the second term, but remember the first term they were like, Oh look, he lost $3 billion. Remember that was the big thing. They were championing in the media. So, um, yeah, you could argue now, and there's some things that he definitely does. I'm like, well, no, it's stupid selling whatever gold shoes or, you know, whatever. There's the watches. Yeah, not a fan of that, but I'm just saying as far as someone who can't be bought and sold, like. But it seems like that's an example though, of him being bought and sold. If he's licensing his image for a watch or like putting his face, which is clearly AI that he's licensed, like why? Or taking a jet from Qatar. It's, it's all bad. What I'm talking about is people who allow something to be built or maybe not. Yeah. They, for example, allow some kind of a subsidy to lapse for one industry while they provide it to another and you see their portfolio skyrocket. You know, we all know like the Pelosi's of the world or Dan Crenshaw had a few really smart, uh, big tech investments. I don't really know of anyone else in this space. A lot of people are driven by that. Would you say AOC is driven by money? Didn't she recently put out her financial reports? And she did, it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. That's because she's, she's stupid with money. That doesn't mean that she doesn't care about money. I mean, she lives in a. To me, it seems like she doesn't care about money though. Not necessarily that she's stupid. Didn't she report her net worth? She had like 90K in stocks or something like that. Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't great, but to me that signals that you just don't. Maybe she doesn't. There's zero importance. Maybe she doesn't. She decided that the currency most valuable is attention. That's why she's posting the thirst traps. Like, I'm doing my HCG shot. Nobody look while I lift up my shirt. Not a big fan, but, you know, the biddies are fine. What? We're not allowed to say that she's got a nice set? Nancy Pelosi has a nice set. She's like 95. Would you? Would I? Well, no, because I have a lady. But would I objectively say, hey, it makes sense that someone would motorboat Pelosi? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't begrudge them for it. So how do you, how does Louder with Crowder make money? It's almost, so it's almost entirely from subscriptions. Okay. From Mug Club. So we have the single highest, like, individual subscriber rate of anyone out there. And that's because we launched it election night, 2016. And then, of course, being demonetized, it was already something people were aware of. And so we saw more signups during COVID. We did two a day. Now, I will tell you this. I see that going away because now people have subscription fatigue. Yeah. And I get it. Like, everyone now has a GoFundMe, hit this tip jar. And that's why, you know, we have all these sponsors coming in. And the answer is no for me, 95% of the time. So that's why I created a company because supplements are some of the biggest sponsorships right in this space. And I play a game with Gerald where he'll go, okay, this new sponsor wants to come in. It's like male Vita test to boost. I go, okay, don't show me the label. I go, don't show me the label. I want you to look at the back. Let me guess. Tribulus. He goes, yep. I go, fenugreek. Yep. Does that have minerals in there? Zinc. Yep. Magnesium. And I know it's the same bull crap that doesn't do anything. So finally, I just created a company. We sell two things. We sell multivitamin and we sell creatine because it's the most proven supplement. And that's effectively like a de facto subscription, but it's the best multivitamin on the planet. And when I say that, I mean, objectively, it all has a certificate of analysis. Every ingredient is listed. Every ingredient that would have clinical, like a meaningful effect is used at that clinical dose. And people can go and post it. And see that that's exactly what's in there. It's what I've had to take for 15 years. And I'm like, okay, we're going to move away from subscriptions where you're just paying for the content because pirating is making a comeback, but provide some staples that people are already using. They want something they can trust. That's a big thing is authenticity and trust. Like it's, it's a supplement company that offers very few things, but the same way we do the show where every claim we make, we make the references publicly available because you want to talk about the big scam industries out there. It's not just media, but supplements are a big one. Cosmetics are a big one. Um, medicine in general. Like how many ads do you see of like, this was my hair. It's a cue ball. It's like, no. And it's a chia pet, right? And you're like, oh, come on. So, uh, that's where we make the vast majority of our revenue. You make more money from that. Oh, not right now, but it will be. We're, we're going to over time replace subscribership mug club where the more people who can sign up to just use products that will improve their life. Great. Uh, but yeah, it's all subscriptions. And then I'd say 10%. Sponsorships. And that's increased since I started my own company. It's the only other company I've ever created. And it's really a screw you to the supplement industry. That's the only reason for it. How is the supplement business doing? It's doing really well. How big is your business? How many employees do you have now? But real quick, before we get that answer, if you're watching this. Get out of my seat, dude. What are you doing? If you're watching this, thinking about starting a business of your own, you don't need a whole team of employees because they can be a hassle Gavin to get your first sale. Exactly. 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That is Shopify.com slash ICH. Again, go to Shopify.com slash ICH today to hear your first. Well, it depends because we have some people remote. So it's anywhere from 25 to like 30. But then if you include like a supplement, like, okay, the distributor, it's probably closer to 40, 50. I don't know. What do you think is the biggest business mistake that you've made? You would talk mistakes. I am not really a business guy. I, I know enough to spend less than what comes in. So that's pretty cool. Do you have a ratio? Like how little you spend versus like 50% for the longest period of my life. I literally just took what I needed to survive. And everything else was invested. Invested into what? I just have, it's really simple. I have a diversified portfolio, kind of like an index fund that doubles every 10 years. What's been your best investment? That's pretty much the only investment. And then, you know, I have a house. No, but like which stock? Oh, I don't, I couldn't even tell you the stock. It's like 13,000 stocks and bonds in there. And it just, you know, it has about a 10% yield. I don't really. Oh, index fund. I thought you said it acts like an index fund. Well, it kind of does. Yeah. It's just, it's a money managed, you know, account. Um, outside of that, I just did some VC stuff for the first time, like, uh, in this last couple of months. And the only reason I did it is because the guy who approached me, I really trust. So I just did it on his word. I'm like, look, I don't even know about this industry. If you tell me that you believe it and it's worth trying, I will. Outside of that, I will say reinvesting in the business and seeing where the puck is going. For me, the finances were always a way to keep the cause going. And I know that sounds like I'm an ideologue. I'm on a finance podcast, but I created what I do because it didn't exist. Like when I was at Fox News, like conservatives don't like comedy. I wrote the, changed my mind. Like now people aren't going to sit down and watch that. I said, well, that's what I want. I grew up watching Letterman. I grew up watching Conan, right? I grew up watching comedy. I was like, well, the problem is you get sucker punched in the face every time you tune into something because they're far left. I didn't grow up watching Fox News. I happened to be more right-leaning and it was so novel. Like I said, that early on, I hated, they would label like conservative comedian. It's like, well, I'm a comic who happens to be really more of an actor at that point. And now it's sort of a cottage industry. As far as mistakes, I'll tell you the one that I definitely, I definitely made was early on in paying my employees like far more than I would take as a salary, right? Because this was all bankrolled from my savings account. So I've not taken on any investors, no other nonprofit dollars. It's always been what we generate. So I took nothing and paid employees significantly more, but I could really, you know, I was really believed in it. And so I expected people wrongfully to be as passionate about it as I was when they were doing it. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. I think it's like a reasonable request. Like, since you're making a really good salary to, to be in at seven as opposed to nine. And so, um, I, I learned my lesson that way, whereas like, oh, no, wait a second. This buck really stops with you and you can't expect anyone else. Even if you give them, you know, profit sharing in the company, which we do. As of recently, are you making more from investing or from your business? The truth is I would make more if I quit all this tomorrow, did a once a week show and like got back on the road doing shows. I'd make a lot more. Um, but again, the cause matters to me. That's what gets me excited is like, for example, a big thing, election night, 2024. So before that we had like the, these, I don't say this to, to pat myself on the back, but we had the biggest election streams on the planet. Uh, 2020 and even the midterms on rumble outside of YouTube. So for me, I get that dopamine hit where it's like, you know what, let's help create an alternative where there's a real live viewership where YouTube isn't the only game in town. That really inspired me. The night of the election in 2020, remember Arizona where they called it way too early and there was a lot of controversy and I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. I remember being live on air with whatever it was, a quarter million people, 400,000 people watching going, that doesn't, that doesn't add up, but I, I can't do anything about it. Well, then in 2024, we had all the same news wires that they had to actually call states and we had additional specialists so that we could make inferences. And so we were the first place on earth to call, I believe it was Georgia and Michigan by a few hours. And we were within one percentage point. And that to me, I'm like, wow, this was a real changing of the guard. You don't need to tune into your favorite podcaster online, but still have CNN up to call the states. Um, and that's the kind of thing that inspires me where it's okay. What's next and how do we, one thing I hate too, that you see a lot in the entertainment industries, um, you'll see people like Peter Dinklage, like you'll see him, like he'll play an elf and then he'll, he'll climb that ladder and he'll pull it up behind him. Like, well, I think it's wrong for people to make small people elves. It's like, well, yeah, but you did that for a very long time. Or like Oprah, who was like, ah, all the smut out there. It's like, you literally had paternity tests. Like you did that. So I'd never want to pull the ladder up behind me. I want to make sure that we leave some fertile ground for other people to do it. Because there's been such a large coalition and so much momentum, which is why this, this Marxist right thing is, is so, uh, I would say disheartening to people. So that's what motivates me, me more as far as, uh, finances. I, I don't know. It probably, I'd have to check it out for me. If I, if I know that, um, my family's taken care of, that I'm comfortable, uh, there's like the only other thing is I would like a plane. So like, there's nothing else that I want. I don't care about cars. I don't care about watches, clothes, but having had friends who had planes that let me borrow it, airports are my least favorite place on earth. I'm like, man, this would be a force multiplier where I could do more content, more investigative videos, more standup. So it's like, none of it matters unless it's plane money. And I just don't foresee that happening. happening. How much more money do you have to make to buy a plane? A lot. Like, do you think you need what, like 50 million bucks to buy a plane? No, you don't need that. You would probably just need a few million bucks. Yeah. It seems like 10 million to buy a nice plane plus 2 million a year to run it. No, no, no. But 50 million. Oh, you can do it for less than that. Yeah. But how much, but if you make an extra 10 million a year, I mean, there's your plane. Yeah. I don't think you realize I, when I say reinvested into the business up until several years, I mean, I never once had a seven figure year. I think I went, call it two or three years. And that's the collective of all my revenue. I just would reinvest it and pay. We have a 401k match. We have health insurance. Everyone gets paid well. But in my mind, the reason that this happened is because we had a business valuator going through some issues and lawsuits. And it ended up being pivotal in the because the business valuator had to determine how much the business was worth and how much I was worth. Uh, and the business, meaning if I, wasn't there, what it would cost to replace me. And they basically said, you wouldn't be able to find anyone to do it. Like literally would cost you $15 million. Because at that point I was CEO. At that point I was also doing all of these other jobs. And I was like, huh, it was so bad. They thought I was hiding money. Like, well, okay, this is your salary on paper, but where are you? I'm like, no, no, that's what I take. I think about this is what your next highest paid employee makes. I go, yeah. So that's, what's funny is when Bernie says the highest paid employee or CEO at a company shouldn't make more, was it more than five times? That's actually, I don't think it should be real at my company. Um, but I just don't think it should be enforced. I think people should be generous. I think people should treat their employees well. Cause I see that as ministry. I really do. I don't think you need to be siphoned off in a church and a 501 C3 and toss around the offering plate and look, I have a picture of me in Zambia where, you know, we've given them some chickens who will hatch. I think that in your day-to-day life, you can show generosity with employees. You can show that, Hey, this is, this is commerce, but we can do it ethically. And I care about you. And I had people who did that with me. Most generous people I've ever known in my life. Funny enough are the two wealthiest people and the least charitable person I ever met was poor. The guy who lent me a plane, right? He's just a guy who just like, I was like, man, I can't make this. Cause I have to, he goes, well, you want to borrow my plane? And there's a long story behind that. I've told, I almost literally got into a fistfight with his lawyer on the tarmac and we became friends. Cause I called him. I was like, I almost, I almost kicked your lawyer's ass. He was like, Oh yeah. When he gets drunk, he's, he's a, so thanks. We became friends after that. He's like, thanks for calling me. I had, uh, someone who, uh, I was, um, okay. My manager. And I used to kind of live at his house. This is in Queens. And I had an Acer, remember Acer computers, the really cheap ones. So I got it at comp USA and it didn't work. And I went back to comp USA. I said, Hey, like this doesn't work. They said, well, we don't have any more. We can't return it. I said, could I just have that gateway? Like, well, that's way more expensive. I said, well, just give me the floor model. Can I have that? I said, well, that's a bunch of dead pixels. I said, okay, that's fine. So they gave me a gateway with a bunch of dead pixels, but it was pretty small. Then I was with my manager and he was buying his daughter, uh, a computer for college and they weren't super well off. And I went with him because during the day as a comic, right, you're either writing or you're just doing whatever I'll go with you. And he got a Dell. And back then you'd kind of customize your Dell. And he was like, Oh, I think, I think she'll like that. I think this will be really good for her. And he was really happy about it. And he had it like put in a gift box. And I remember when she opened it up, uh, he, he was so excited. And she said the first thing, Oh, well, it's not small and cute like his. And I've got this gateway with broken pixels. It was a store model. That was all I could afford. The disc drive that we used to have, it didn't even work. And I just remember seeing her dad's face. Like, it's like, you know, when a dog brings you a bird and then doesn't realize that you're disappointed. I even fake it. I'm like, good for you. Get it off me. And I just remember going, wow, it really does depend on how you were raised. And money amplifies character. It provides clarity. So I don't have that classist mindset because I've met people who are incredibly wealthy, who are unbelievably generous, and they didn't have to be. And I've met people who often are left-leaning and espouse socialism and equality, who are clutching, wrenching, covetous old sinners. Have you always been frugal? My first big win was if I never have to set foot in a Greyhound bus station again, then I'll have partially made it. Because I don't know if you've spent, neither one of you have ever spent time in a Greyhound bus station, have you? I have actually, yeah. Then you know it's not a safe place to be. It was for me. I went to Canada and there's a great Greyhound there. Okay, all right. Everyone was so friendly. Maybe in Canada. I'm talking Cleveland. No. I'm talking Detroit, Pittsburgh, Columbus on an overnight where I had a system to make sure that I didn't get. But when I said, all right, if I never have to do a Greyhound bus again, meaning I can afford a flight, that was a big thing for me. When I was able to fly family in or help fit, that was a big thing for me. So frugal in the sense that this shirt's not very expensive, this watch isn't, but it keeps time just as well. But I've also paid inordinate sums of money, for example, on health care for my dog, because I'm able to. I'm able to take him to an oncologist. So. Um, or able to help employees where I had employees who were like, uh, uh, I don't know if I'll be able to do this cause I need to move. Well, how much would it take for you to stay? So I think there's a difference between frugal and, and just, you know, not being wasteful. And I, I really, it's funny because I'm truly a free enterpriser, but I really do hate the consumerist culture. So if there are people out there who are conservative, but they're conservative because they think that they're going to find happiness and things it's or fame. It's just not, it really is not the case and ask yourself. Before you ever make a major purchase, Hey, is this going to measurably improve your life in the answer to most things is no. And so if it's no, to me, it's superfluous and I focus on what matters. Well, what else improves your life? The money can buy health, um, you know, access to, to better doctors, um, you know, or whether it's some people, trainers, um, treatments, like being able to go to Mayo and have the surgery that I. Have. Because the best person in the world was able to do it there. That was really helpful, you know, to actually have my heart beat a full stroke for the first time in my life was a big deal. So it is a tool, it's a valuable tool, but in this sort of, you know, Bugatti culture and influencer culture, where most of it is fake, that is truly meaningless. It truly is. And I see a lot of young people pursuing that and, um, yes, I'm a free enterpriser, but I'm a Christian before that. And it's like, do not try and find your happiness or your worth in these earthly things. Cause it all goes away. How much money is there in politics? Like we've seen some $400 million deals with Rush Limbaugh. Do you think anyone today could get paid $500 million? I don't know, um, if it's possible for the same reason that like top 40 isn't what it used to be. Like you're not going to have a Johnny Carson number as far as, you know, basically what's modern day Superbowl is closer to what Johnny Carson would get every night. Cause there were three networks, but you can find people who can do really well. I mean, it's also a matter of scale, right? I mean, look at how successful you get. You guys are and the budget that goes into this and how much. Oh, this is not a budget. Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. This is Jack and I staying at the embassy suites. Well, that was the most expensive thing about this entire filming thing. Well, maybe the flights, the flights. Well, it beats Super 8 with bulletproof glass as you check in, but. Oh, we've stayed there too. Have you? Yeah. Tell the roaches I say hi. I had that in Schaumburg, Illinois. Um, yeah. So I will say that, uh, probably not just cause media is more fractured. Who do you think? Who do you think? Who do you think is the most valuable? I don't know. I, I don't, I mean, probably the person who did probably Joe Rogan, you know, and even he's probably seen lower, uh, less viewership or listenership just because more people have gotten into the space. I mean, Tucker Carlson, his contract, I think it was like $20 million per year, which is pretty insane. I mean, that's like, you know, and yeah, but it's less than podcast. A lot of podcasters make less than Rogan. You tell me which podcasts make people like Rogan, people like the color daddy. Um, or at least it's comparable. You know, there, there are plenty of people out there. Who, who make a lot. Now it's also different with what I do. It's also quite a bit different because the staff that we have, the budget, what goes into it and interviews and the investigative journalism unit, but people just sitting down with a camera, which is very common in the podcast space. Like you don't need as many employees. So yeah, I think people can do well, but the Rush Limbaugh thing, that really is kind of a generational talent. He took a medium that people thought was dead. He was the only person there. So he was first and he was also best. Yeah. You can be first or you can be best every now and then you get someone who's both and he was both. So now knowing that you only cracked like the seven figure mark, maybe two or three years ago, I had assumed that you were making a lot more for a long time before. Personally, as far as my income, as far as revenue. Yeah. Yes. Well into the, well, yeah. Eight figures. Then was it difficult because you've, you famously declined an offer from the daily wire for $50 million over four years. Was it difficult to turn that down? Yeah. It's difficult to turn 50 million down. Now, again, that's actually not that it's actually less than the revenue we make. Uh, so as far as total revenue, that was total revenue. That wasn't a contract to me. That was for the 30%. plus employees that was for all of the distribution that was for all the production that goes into it that was to take everything and it would be ownership of all platforms channels name image likeness forever and including even live performances which i mean even in hollywood they don't do that so it was just it was a no um and uh there are a lot of reasons i don't i don't want young people to sign that you shouldn't sign away your name image and likeness like that's not standard in hollywood even though they do unethical things in hollywood and it shouldn't be standard in this space you have a contract for the allotted time that you're there was that the main obstacle within the contract there are quite a few and there are some personal things behind the scene that were really dirty pool that i that i won't get into that he knows and i know who is he jeremy boring yeah that's also kind of a misconception that ben shapiro was running it he wasn't it was nor was it his money it was two other guys actually from texas who put the money up for that um in that if people go back to it it had a penalty and the penalty was for example for every youtube uh suspension you're penalized i don't it was like 15 or 10 not banned then you were penalized 25 for every twitter suspension so two things there right away that forces right-leaning commentators to play ball according to big tech who at the time were removing people for questioning election results who at the time were removing people for saying you know what if you're a young healthy 20 year old maybe the maybe the mrna injection doesn't make sense so doing the bidding of big tech de facto was a problem also was never redlined where the contract 50 million you would immediately reduce it by 70 because i was suspended from all of those platforms so i sent it back said like hey well you got to redline this like because i'm already suspended and there's not we just no so there are a multitude of reasons but the real reason is um i don't want people to be signed into those types of contracts out there and i think now people unfortunately people have taken that now and they go i've seen people say it's a jew contract ben shapiro it's like it has nothing to do with that it's people have a way of doing business in my view it's unethical to do that it's not standard um and it was a it was a no for me but i wasn't the one who mentioned them first it was them isn't that them just ensuring though that they make a return on their investment like if they're going to supposedly invest you know tens of millions of dollars they just want to make sure that hey we're not paying 50 and just you know we get 10 back no they were they were going to immediately make the money back and they knew it just with our subscribers so you think they should have offered more money you think they should have offered more money no no i would i would have turned down 100 million i would have turned down 200 million if it was still the owning name image likeness with those penalties my big issue was the ownership and um the penalties on behalf of big tech who is not corrupt but just clinically done i mean the obvious answer you talked about aoc she's an unintelligent person kamala harris she's an idiot if you were to estimate kamala's iq what would it be job that's how she got ahead willie brown you guys know this right the mayor yeah i've heard about no no no no no no no no no there's no you spent too much time but you have hinge brain yeah no no what are you talking about because i know exactly what i've heard about i know nothing i'm not involved oh stop it i don't i don't get off your high horse i don't honestly i've never heard of this you and your selma i just care about 70s african-american shirt that only you can pull off for some reason this was a sponsor this is quince it's very nice i wish i could pull it off but i would look like a homosexual you look very fetching thank you no he just don't that's your friend he's when all this goes away when all this glamour goes away this warehouse well he has a wife he's gonna be the one who's there for you that's why you're able to i got your back kamala harris got ahead willie brown you know she got her it was like a city commission position unelected she fellated him and how do i know because when he was asked about it he was his answer was basically like i don't know i banged a lot of at that time she was one of them her cover letter her resume was what now i'm not gonna agree or disagree because i'm not researched on this topic yeah so do your own research but i did hear about that obviously a lot i personally just don't i guess i just didn't care enough to like like what do you guys you guys think that the only fans top 10 is a mensa conference what's what's happening here you don't know what i'm talking about okay well actually no we have had on some of the only fans like top performers a few of them are incredibly intelligent because at a certain point it's not just about looks it's also about how you can market yourself right and if they don't have an agency that's representing i'm not trying to you know say they're geniuses or anything but i'm not trying to discredit their intelligence if they did happen to employ very unique marketing strategies oh gosh yeah like a lot of people thought jake and logan paul were dumb like the idiots no and they would look at them on youtube oh anyone could do that but like you see behind the scenes they're so calculated they're so smart their work ethic is through the roof and i see that and i'm like oh yeah no they know what they're doing yeah i do i do respect their work ethic for sure kamala harris to answer your question i think i think she's a fundamentally unintelligent person um and i don't say that about everyone on the left by the way a lot of them are very smart clintons are very smart you you have to be smart to get away with people joe biden obviously is not very sharp barack obama i think was smart i don't think he was as smart as people made him out to be what about people on the right who are dumb i feel bad saying these things because some of them like they're not smart they're not smart they're not smart they're not like dan crenshaw is not dumb but i've never met anyone who um it's almost like the self-aware bone like god forgot it in his body so i got flack when i had him on because he was pretty popular at this point it was after snl you know the pete davidson thing the one eye one eye joke and he went on and pete davidson apologized but he was on the show and he had been on a few times and i asked him about the taps act as it relates to control and he gave me a political answer i said so you know how does this how is this different from red flag laws he's like well the taps act and he gave this whole double speak i said sounds to me a lot like red flag laws and he just kept talking around and around and then afterwards when he ended up getting flack for it he would condemn his audience as as dumb and that's i think that i think is is not a sign of unintelligence but lack of wisdom to insult your audience it's kind of like to me a father getting mad at their toddler it's like that's a reflection of you i don't mean like getting upset because they're not listening but i mean getting mad like the kid doesn't know how to do something it's like whenever my child doesn't know how to do something i go oh my god i can't believe i didn't teach them this oh wow they should know about this and by the way you'll like this as a financial podcast since my kids were three they could answer what compounding interest was i'll say what happens if you leave that in the piggy bank for it grows the longer i leave it and what's that called compounding interest now can i have an m&m like yes you can a real lack of wisdom from some people because they're out of touch. As far as unintelligent on the right, I mean, there are obvious ones, you know, like the Paul Ryans of the world, you know, like Tim Pawlenty was one at one point in time. I don't think Mitt Romney is very smart. And I know you can say he's worth a whole lot, but I mean, he started on base three. So there are definitely people on both the left and the right who are not particularly intelligent, but I try to gauge it more by wisdom. It's funny when it's someone who's really dumb, but that's just so old hat. Like, I don't think George W. Bush was the idiot they tried to make him out to be. I really don't. I think he's actually pretty funny, that guy. I mean, you remember when he was dodging shoes and like, he just had nicknames. Yeah, it was so fast. It was like a cat. He dodged and he'd just go around to the room and he'd be like, stretch, longer stretch. He would just have names because that makes it easy to remember. And I don't think Barack Obama was as smart as people say he was. What's it? Check responses, setup required, compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. An issue that isn't really talked about that you think needs to be discussed more. Well, for me, everything is. Is downstream from the First Amendment and Second Amendment. Because the First Amendment is how all great ideas take hold, are discussed, are pressure tested, and the Second Amendment is how they're defended. But that needs to expand a bit more now because we're not just talking about a period of time where people come and take your stuff with. People come and take your stuff with data, right? And they shut you down and they eliminate your voice. So we do need probably extension of digital rights on that front. Section 230 was something I was on top of for a long, long time. And by the way, people go, isn't that big government? No, for me, it's just Section 230. For people who don't, I'm sure you guys are familiar with safe harbor laws. And it's less of an issue because you have Rumble and because you have X now. But at one point in time, YouTube, Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Snap, were all left. If you didn't use the right pronouns, you were removed, you were banned. So it's changed a little bit now. But a lot of these companies, they benefit for people who don't know Section 230 as public utilities. Meaning if I'm on a cell phone and it's Verizon, and I say, ring, ring, hey, don't we hate blacks or whatever? Verizon can't take me off their service because it's a utility, right? And that also shields them from liability, whatever is done through their services, because it's not their doing. Section 230 affords that, those safe harbor laws, to these platforms like YouTube and social media, where they're supposed to be neutral. The problem is when they start editing. The problem is when they enforce speech codes, where they are acting as a publisher. So the New York Times is liable, or the Washington Post. I mean, we saw it with Nick Sandman, right? I think it was CNN. They lost hundreds of millions of dollars. Allegedly, we don't know the final suit. They can't just go out and flat out lie. They're held responsible because they're a publisher. Right. They're held responsible for it. But when YouTube says this is allowed and this isn't allowed. And by the way, through an algorithm, we are going to promote certain speech and we're going to create certain guidelines and ban people for speech, but not tell them what it is. To me, it's just either you're a publisher, in which case you can choose to edit comments and speech or you're a platform, in which case outside of the parameters of the law, you can't. That needs to be reformed, I think. It's probably just with open source code with how their algorithms dictate the content. Maybe now, but back in the day, there was an actual meeting when I was demonetized and YouTube was co-producing something with Vox, where there was a highlight reel of any whatever. And the worst thing I said was gay Mexican and I called someone a sprite. And I'm seeing that on CNN, like a highlight reel. What does it mean to be a sprite? It's an old term for fairy. Lightning. And the loafers? Homeless. Someone you'd find on Grindr. And it was this guy who hosted these Vox videos and he just happened to be gay. And his handle was gay wonk. And he identified as queer. And I would say, you know, so we would criticize all Vox videos, all of them, by the way. And also like Adam ruins everything or John Oliver, whoever it is. This guy just happened to be the host for Vox. And so, you know, I'd throw in like, and if you are simply going to support socialism or think that these economies are working all because some lispy spread. sachets across your laptop screen. It was things like that. And they couldn't remove me because it wasn't a violation, but they demonetized me. And then they created the third set of guidelines, right? What they call the borderline content guidelines. So that was the Vox apocalypse and their, their stock took a nosedive as a result because it resulted in demonetizing a bunch of history channels as well. History channels covering the, covering the Stalinist regime. And that's why, isn't it? One thing I will say, cause you guys, how long have you been doing this show? Seven years. Seven years. I've been on YouTube for 10. Okay. So there you go. You guys are some of the, some of the OGs doing it. And now you guys are seeing the fruits of your labor. Good for you. Back then it was cool. Cause we could sort of sidestep media, right? It's like, okay, there's no gatekeeper, but it actually got worse. Two reasons. Once traditional media realized, wait a second, we're losing our grip. They dump a whole bunch of money into advertising on YouTube and the algorithms favor a lot of their crap. And then the other thing is we used to be regulated in legacy media by like the FCC. And it was really silly. Like you could say. Hey, that guy's, but you couldn't say his, or you could say this is bull, but you couldn't say that bull took a, cause it was scatological, right? But you kind of, it was a game of cat and mouse, like Howard Stern, you know, before he went to satellite was like, eh, I'm kind of on a line. I'm kind of not. And we thought when we went to new media, that'll go away. But now everyone has become the FCC where you have comedians who are identifying as bad boys, blanking out words, not even censoring words like. I don't want my video to be demonetized, so I don't want to say this of the baby was male because some algorithm says it's demonetized and it's really, really made for a while. I had to say the conflict in the middle East instead of saying Iran or instead of saying Iran war, right? The conflict in the middle. East, right. Just to get around that. Cause I noticed every time I said Iran war, my video would get half the views. Yes. So stop saying that. Well, okay. So you asked me, this goes back to the money question. Yeah. Uh, to me, it's worth it to have the bulk of my viewership right on rumble. Still be many tens of thousands of people live. I'm very grateful, but it would be higher if we continued growing YouTube, but to be able to say Iran, to, to be able to say these, uh, jihadi Hajis, to be able to say that, to be able to say, I don't, I don't want to get you in trouble, but. Yeah. Whatever it is to be, that's worth a million dollars to me. Don't you think that maybe you could spread your message more effectively if you kind of towed the line a little more carefully that you could still get your message across to many tens of millions of more people warmer to those who are still kind of stuck. Yeah, no, I wouldn't be warmer to those who are stuck in the middle. I don't think those people are offended by the word Iran, uh, the other word. Okay. But the point is, but that's not, but yeah, but now we're moving the goalposts, right? If you can't say Iran, we have a problem. I will say this. I believe what you believe for a very long time, which is why I fought to always keep my stuff on YouTube. Now I still do, but it's clips and I let people know if you want to watch the full show, it's kind of retro where weekdays, 11 a.m. Eastern we're live without a net. It's TV guide kind of set viewing. Remember like TV guide, TiVo, all that stuff. We have a huge live viewership because people want to tune in. They feel like they're a part of something authentic, something that's actually going on, right? That's why we have CNN on the screen so people can see what's going on live, nothing up our sleeve. So I do that there. And then we upload clips to YouTube, but for the longest time I was willing to stream to YouTube until I said, and based on your logic, you want to reach the unreached. Yes. But there was a crossover point where I said, I don't want to reach the unreached if I can't reach them with truth. And YouTube made it unfeasible in my particular line, not so much with finance, but politically, uh, to reach them with truth. When you can't discuss the attempted rate of trans individuals. I don't know if you know, we were suspended. Going. Right. So 2020 biggest election stream of all time. And then 2024 was bigger on rumble, like over half a million concurrent live viewers. But in that midterm, uh, we were suspended right before the midterm for two reasons. One, we hosted Carrie Lake who was running for office in that midterm. The other suspension, two strikes was we quoted the CDC and showed the CDC where we said, so, um, there are more flu deaths. In infants and toddlers, just this flu season than all of COVID combined. Now I've never said that COVID didn't exist. I've never said that people who are older or people who are diabetic are not at increased risk. The point I was making was, wouldn't it be interesting if we could discuss this? Honestly, that this novel virus for some reason, obviously targets the old and the infirm. But young people are not at risk in the same way they are the flu. And we had the CDC tables. That was a strike because they said, yeah, it's all correct. But it may cause people to not take COVID as seriously. That's when I said, okay, who am I reaching people? What am I reaching them with at this point? It gets to the point where it would be so watered down that for me, it was a bridge I wasn't willing to cross. And, and that's why we migrated people, uh, to rumble. And I think that also played a big role, you know, rumble X. I think people seeing, um, some exodus and seeing that there needed to be alternatives. Uh, if we, if I had just played along and everyone else did, I think YouTube would still have a stranglehold on it. How much money have you lost by not being PC? Well, okay. You could run the numbers. So when we were on YouTube, like we had months that were 60, 80 million plays on you. This is pretty short. Um, no zero monetization, none. And that's not including the bits channel. So the main channel has somewhere between five and six and then bits is between one and two. But whatever the monetization is, you could take that, take that right off the top and then probably take, would we say it's fair to say, if I was streaming there, it kept building a 35% increased viewership over migrating to rumble, something like that. So take that and the revenue generated from that. So many, many tens of millions of dollars. I would, I would wager conservatively. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds about tens of millions. Yeah. But it's worth it to me to say, just use your example, Iran, just to say, Hey, you know what? Kids are more at risk of the flu than COVID. We made that decision. We did it during COVID too. When they said shut down, he said, we're doing two a days. What do you think is a policy that is. Discussed too much that you think is just not a problem whatsoever. Uh, well, I'll tell you one that is discussed a lot and is never going to be fixed as money in politics. People, you have to overturn citizens United, which a lot of people don't even know what that was. That was an anti Hillary Clinton documentary and the Clinton's tried to stop it from being released. And so the court ruled that, well, the people who made this, even though it's a corporation, they're people, they're allowed to express their point of view. So that opened up money in politics, but the left and the right both want money in politics. I mean, the left will say that here in Texas, Tallarico, who, by the way, book, it is. Is not going to win. He's outspending Paxton right now. I think it's like 35 million to five. So that's one issue that people discuss and they use it as an issue to run on like an, and I'm going to get money out of politics. No, you're not presser. Let me ask you this for young people in America today, you feel like it's harder to get ahead. How much of that is their own fault versus the government? It's a very good question. And I will tell you, I have two minds about this because the okay. Boomer thing is really lazy. People just go like, okay. Boomer. And it's like, well, hold on a second. That guy's like, that guy's like 34. He's not a boomer, but there is a valid argument to be made. Like if you look at social security and you look at some of the entitlement programs and how we're paying in, but it's very unlikely to pay out to it, but it also doesn't take into account that that generation, you know, they were looking at 12% rates on their mortgages, right? They were looking at 11, 1400 square foot homes. So they also didn't have to compete. Like they'll go, you should just be more competitive, kind of, kind of what you just said, but here's the difference. If you take boomers and you take the immigrants that they were dealing with, uh, let's just take some examples like Cuban Americans. Okay. And maybe like people defecting from the USSR was very different. They come in Cuban Americans, kiss the soil, go, I love you. I want to be American. I'm happy to be here. Open up a restaurant, pay their taxes, vote Republican, vote conservative, by the way, overwhelmingly. That's very different from a young person who goes to school, gets the degree. It's really good. The best in his field. And someone comes in and goes, yes, but India is better. So I'm going to do the job and send the money to India. It's a very different competitive environment. One wanted to become a politician. part of the great experiment that is America was grateful. The other is an entitled. But the other thing is financial decisions. Young people do need to make better. You know, I've read studies that they're anywhere from four to eight times as likely to use DoorDash. Well, that didn't exist back in the day. I mean, I still eat at home. I still eat breakfast for dinner at least three times a week. A it's delicious. B it's cheap. So two things can be true. Boomers are a little bit out of our older generations are out of touch with some of the difficulties that younger Americans are facing. And younger Americans think that no one else has faced hardships in the way that they have. Now, the matter of policy, two separate things. Cause I'll often hear, I heard Ben Shapiro on your show. I think it was on this show. Yeah. We've had him on twice. It might've been Patrick, bet David show. We had him on twice. My man, give me a 50% chance. What's the chance of you doing this better? How are your, your, your, man, that's because I saw an hinge. I saw you, the guy with big biceps, but I'm the guy with bigger biceps. Congratulations. I have a 75% chance of getting a more on hinge. You got to speak a little slower to do. No, I'm not going to speak slower because look, I'm a Syrian. I'm Iranian. I'm a Christian, but the thing is I'm six, four and I'm sexy. Let me tell you a story. Yeah. Let me tell you something. I knew this guy back in the day. I knew this guy. He was the guy, man. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I, so it might've been on this show where he said, well, the technology that you have, right? Your phone, you have more computing power than NASA. That's true. You do have a lot of conveniences. What we have seen change is consumer goods. So TVs, phones, things like that. Uh, access to groceries that's become significantly, uh, less expensive for young Americans. So that is true. The libertarian argument, right? Where there's competition. The flip side of that is staples that are very important. Housing, school, healthcare has become much more expensive. I think, would we agree on that kind of fundamental premise? Yes. Okay. So then you have to ask why? Well, of those phones, TV, power, internet cable. Okay. Versus schooling, housing. Which one do you think has allowed a free market approach to take place more? Of course, consumer goods, there's more competition schooling. You can directly attribute it to the federal government and all of these grants and these scholarships, right? Because if you don't overcharge for education right now, basically forcing someone to take out, you're leaving money on the table because uncle Sam makes that act. So the policy has screwed education costs and they are out of control housing. Well, what do you think happens when you allow institutional, investors to come in and buy up all the single family housing units now like in an area Atlanta, I think it's close to 25% that screws young people out of buying a house because I'll push back on that one because corporations purchase so few houses out there. I did a whole segment on this that it was like half a percent of the entire rental market were these mega corporations. Well, mostly rental is not the same thing. Rent rent prices have come down because that's a volume game. They've created more and that's actually like Austin. For all the hobo piss is a great example of rent actually coming down. We're talking about people buying a first time home. Now it is also a residentially dependent. So let's say like, like Atlanta, Georgia is a really bad one. Um, I think Atlanta is one of the higher ones. It's like 25% that affects the market that blocks people. But, but outside of that housing prices are really just a lot of people locked in at 3% and they're not selling and they can't afford to buy anything else. And you have so few inventory first time buyers right now because of that. Getting screwed. No one's building. The other people are in golden handcuffs where they can't buy something else. Right now that again goes back to, this is one of the reasons I can tell you the reason that I'm conservative. I can tell you the three things that made me pretty conservative, but one of them later on in life was the term predatory lending. Remember that movie, the big short and you watch it. It's a great film, but none of it makes sense when you go, well, wait a second. So this goes to the housing. So they were bundling subprime and okay. But why would these businesses give out? Yeah. Give out mortgage, give out home loans to people who they know, couldn't pay it back. Let me ask you this. Let's just walk through this logically. Like, like we're all five. How do banks make money when they lend you, when you take a loan, they sell their loan. Well, they don't before let's go really traditional. They, you borrow money from a bank, they borrowed at a cheaper rate and you pay them back with interest, right? You pay them back more over time. Sure. Right. So you get the loan now. Okay. So let's apply that logic. Why would the bank in a predatory way, lend to someone. Who cannot pay it back? Well, I mean, my answer would be because they sell the loan before the loan comes due. So they're not the one. That's partially also, it was required of them. When you look at right. You had Dodd, Frank, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac. And they said, you have to, this is the name of equity justice, right? So you have to give these people home with no money down required. 2%. Oh yeah, yeah. No, no, it was, it was Fannie, Fannie and Freddie basically said, if you give us these loan terms, we will guarantee that there's a marketplace to buy those loans. Right. And so as long as you just fit. Where. There otherwise wouldn't be. Correct. Where there otherwise wouldn't be if uncle Sam didn't come in and say, Hey, by the way, none of this makes economic sense, but we'll foot the bill. So it became a free for all. It didn't force banks that they had to lend. It was just banks could lend because they could sell the loan. Well, there's column A and there's column B. There also was pressure to give to first time home buyers, minority home buyers, those who are more at risk, those who are less likely to get first homes, right? Where they would get better rates, like almost no money down. But that was only because they could sell them. All banks knew is that, Hey, if I get this loan, I sell it really quick. All right. I did. That's not all they knew, but let's take, let's take yours as a majority. Okay. Sure. Okay. There's no world in which that occurs without a meddling government. The bank goes, can you afford 20% down? Here's your rate. Now, what happened when the people who put no money down and had a 2% rate, what happened when they didn't pay and it should have been foreclosed upon? They were allowed to stay in those homes for much, much, much longer. Now, usually the market would correct itself. They'd be out. Someone else who can put the money down would be in the point that I'm making is. And there are, yes, there are multitude of factors. I'm distilling it for time. Yeah, sure. Sure. Either way. I think we both agree that wouldn't happen without uncle Sam coming in. Banks wouldn't lend that money to people who can't pay it back. Just like schools could not charge something that by definition is unaffordable unless there were scholarships and 100%. So you look at that, you look at, okay, mortgages or sorry, homes. You look at school, you look at healthcare. Anyone want to say that healthcare hasn't included overly encroaching government? That one has been horrible. I know. It's $900 a month for the plan. It's the basic plan that just covers catastrophic. Even though now there's a public option. What is that? Just self? That's Obamacare, right? It's a public option that's subsidized basically for people who don't have money where they go on the market. It's usually terrible, by the way, they want it to be fully public. But the point is, these are not industries where competition has thrived. These are industries that have been almost entirely controlled and manipulated to the federal government. And they are the ones that have absolutely destroyed the quality of life and increased the cost of living. For young Americans. It's not the fact that they can get a cricket phone for four bucks. It's not the fact that they can get a Westinghouse TV, you know, for $50 that would have once upon a time cost 1500. It's homes, it's education, it's healthcare. And these are industries where you have had an overly meddling government in trying to solve the problem. Their solution is they'll make it better. They've only made it worse. So the reason I say this is there's a disconnect where boomers go, well, I didn't have a smartphone and I, that's true. And the fact that you have access to write those phones in front of you, more information than ever in the history of humanity, right? And we have the first generation that is fatter, sicker and dumber than those before them. That's indicative of bad choices. And young people could probably make better choices. But the cost of living is a legitimate concern. And conservatives and Republicans would do well to listen to that and not just say, pull yourself up by your bootstraps, because the deck is stacked against them a little bit as far as homes and as far as education. So where do you see this going? Because with everything that you just said, my only logical conclusion to this is probably they got a raise taxes that that's probably where it's going is they got to raise taxes or they have to find a way to bring down costs substantially by penalizing a certain group. Yeah, probably the wealthy just to bring down prices enough so everyone else feels like they have a chance. Well, also, by the way, that compounds this is I will add, you know, anywhere from low end 20 to 60. 60 million high end legitimate is 40 million illegal aliens. That adds a lot to especially when they can get social safety net benefits. So this is one thing where this administration far from perfect has done a lot. They've made great strides when you look at their ban on institutional investors buying up single family housing. That's got to be performative, though. Well, when you look at people who are here on certain visas, not actually getting those preferential home loans because people are coming in using them, buying up houses, having multiple properties, when you look at education where the government. Is no longer basically going to offer loans for useless gender studies degrees. Right. That cuts the head off of the beast. And when you look at deportations and stopping the mass importation of third world labor, often people who are off the books who don't pay taxes and cost the taxpayer anywhere from 100 billion to 400 plus billion dollars a year, that multi pronged approach. And no one has done more on solving the immigration crisis than this administration. And I'm not saying that this administration is not going to be perfect. No. But when people say this is betrayal, I go, wait a second, did you vote for perfect or did you vote for more than ever? Because July, there were more ICE arrests than ever. H-1Bs, Donald Trump's at $100,000 a year fee. So based on what you guys just said, right, this would be fair. Hey, you need to compete, be more qualified. So the idea, the premise has been with H-1Bs, we're bringing the best and the brightest, right, brain drain. Well, if that's the case, it's a $500,000 a year CEO, $100,000 fee shouldn't mean all that much. We saw a reduction by 87% of new applications from overseas, meaning outside the US, H-1Bs. struck it down. Democrat judge said, you can't do that. So he did a workaround where now it applies to all new H-1Bs. That's significant for Americans. Banning, is it any one thing? No, but it's all of these collectively. What thing stops the company just from hiring overseas? They don't need someone necessarily here. Why don't they just hire overseas then? Hey, by the way, really quick, if you want extra content just like this, as well as early access and a bonus post show posted every single week, feel free to join as a channel member to get immediate access to all of that, as well as early access to everything else that we post, along with priority responses to all of your comments. So if that sounds cool, feel free to join. Would love to have you on board. Thanks so much. We'll get back to the podcast now. You mean, why don't they just offshore all their work? Well, sometimes they will. And sometimes there are ways that that makes sense, but that's not what was taking place. What was taking place into the tune of many, many millions of people and billions of dollars were people being imported here. Sending their remittances out of this country who were not any more qualified than Americans, taking the jobs and doing it for less. And if they want to, there are some areas, by the way, where offshoring makes sense. So for example, if like we had a steel shortage, I believe at one point in time where, you know, you're not going to overnight Pittsburgh, turn it back on. You might need to get it from, I think, Eastern European countries, not just China did a lot of steel, like Latvia, Lithuania, whatever those places that makes sense. Cause then you can keep the American, let's say furniture or warehouse manufacturer. You can keep them in business. It doesn't make sense to bring people in to do jobs that American have done everything right to earn simply for cheaper so that someone can squeeze out more profit for shareholders. That's what I think. It's not late stage capitalism. It's early stage socialism where we have lost. And I say this as a free enterpriser. I say this as a conservative, but a shopkeeper selling something to somebody, right? There's, there's an unwritten contract of this is going to give you enough value that you will be willing to pay it and hopefully come back. The problem is you'll see a lot of these vultures, these vulture companies come in and just go, you know what? We'll take a loss on this one. And it'll become a part of a portfolio, even though it's a product that actually mattered to people, right? We've lost this sense of actually serving the consumer. That's a big problem, but going back to the cost of living, both have a case. And I feel like they're talking past each other. Technology has improved people's quality of life for sure with luxury items and conveniences. And by the way, items that also, I mean, you'll talk about healthcare, like individually a Fitbit, right? Individually something, the Oura ring that you were talking about, which I threw mine in the trash because I don't need something to tell me I'm dying every morning. But housing, education, and all of that is exact. And of course, healthcare, all of that is exacerbated by immigration. It takes addressing that. And the first thing to do was address the inflow of immigration. And that stopped by 94%. What about for the average person that what could they do to better their lives? Assuming that they're not going to, you know, change the whole United States. They're just a guy sitting in a bedroom. It's like, what do I do today? Spend less than you make. Go to a trade school. If you don't know what you want to do, go to a community college, make some sacrifices. Now live further outside of town, get a smaller home or find really inexpensive rent. Do that for a while, save up and then use the opportunity when it avails itself. It doesn't mean it's going to solve the problem because they've gotten some, they've gotten some tough breaks, but that's what individuals can do to improve their lives. I will say community college is extremely underrated. I went and I think the first semester of my community college was like $7 because there was like a program with my like local high school and the local community college got super cheap. The education is horrible, but you know, but I skip college. I don't even just can't like, but like also all of your, your prerequisites anyways, you're not going to really learn anything. It's not going to teach you anything, whether you do it at a community college or whether you do it at Stanford. Sorry, Stanford. Those seven bucks. I will say I would look into that. It sounds like your community college was not accredited. Well, it got me into UCSB. Oh, okay. Well, good. So you're like a Phoenix. Yeah. You rose from the community college. Yeah. Well, they had a tag program, California tag program, go from community college to UC school. Okay. But horrible education, I will say. Well, you seem sharp enough. All right. Thank you. Put that on your hinge. That you called me sharp enough. Yeah. Put that your hinge should just be me. I think if there's anything that could get me zero matches that for men, for men it would. Have it like Dennis and Ed, you forgot to say the magic word. He's sharp enough. He's sharp enough. You guys should match with him. Yeah. I think that that would not help my cause. Why do celebrities, like Billie Eilish or just all the other people, the A-listers, the S-listers, like why do they take such strong political stances? Is that, is that Hollywood as an entity, like pushing a certain agenda through those people? Or is it like something else? Like they're just, they're just very passionate. They feel like they like some sort of karmic debt that they need to pay back. That's actually very insightful. And you're partially right. A couple of things. First off, many of them are very stupid. And I mean that many of them are fundamentally unintelligent people. The entertainment industry, a lot of people, basically they're successful because of a gift God gave them. They look good on camera, right? They're attractive. Think modeling, a lot of talent when you're talking about creative arts is not always work ethic based. Sometimes it is. So many of them are fundamentally unintelligent. They're insulated. They're out of touch. Then you look at the entertainment industry for the longest time. It was only a net benefit to come out as a leftist. You were persona non grata. There was an actual blacklist. If you were a conservative, that was a real thing. It's been well-documented, but it would help your career if you came out and you were a candidate, right? It was absolutely group think. I mean, I remember this clear as day. This was one of the things that made me conservative. I was watching Oprah in Canada and it was Cameron Diaz. I want to say Jake Gyllenhaal. Someone will be able to go pull this on YouTube and P Diddy. Back then, I think he was still Puff Daddy. I don't know if it was Puff Daddy, Puffy, whatever. And it was vote or die. Vote or die. And he did a video. He's like, man, what's Sarah Palin going to do about South Korea? It's like you mongoloid South Korea. But people just go, vote. I want everyone to vote. And Cameron Diaz said, if you don't vote, guys, it's like saying you want legal. This was on Oprah at that point. She said that. She said that. She said that. I'm really close. That's a quote verbatim. Someone can go fact check. It's like saying you want to be legal. And then I went, oh my gosh, I don't want these people voting. I don't want them voting at all because then representatives are going to represent them. I want people voting who proactively want to vote. But this was a whole campaign. It was only a net. You think they're going out there because they really believe in this? No, they're functionally. But it was helpful to their career. On the flip side, any person who came out and would endorse or support a conservative, boom, persona non grata. So that's what it is. But then you have other people that seem to take it one step further where they're constantly pushing some sort of political agenda, even though it has nothing to do with their actual professional career in Hollywood. And I'm curious for those, do you think that it's the same thing? Like they're continuing to get like the spoils of being. It's the combination of being unintelligent, of the incentive and godlessness. You know what it is? It's the equivalent of the job. From the studio that brought you WandaVision. I was an Avenger, but I'm not a hero anymore. The Vision returns for the final chapter of the groundbreaking trilogy. That family wasn't real. You sure about that? I had a father called Vision. How is this possible? Don't miss the two-episode premiere of Marvel Television's Vision Quest. Nothing bonds a family together quite like Mortal Jeopardy. Now streaming only on Disney+. What are we talking about here? Well, any time he says that, I'm all ears. Go ahead. Expand on that. Basically moving yourself up on the career ladder with the quick and dirty is just, hey, let's say this, this thing. I'm going to say it. It's the same thing as like the job. Yeah. No, exactly right. It only helps your career. And then it's the same reason where you look at like, how are these actors so wealthy, but they're like basically socialists. Tell you where you don't see that. You don't see that with people who've built up a business. A lot of actors, a lot of these artists, they go from nothing to boom, you have tens of millions of dollars. They didn't actually have to sign the fronts of checks. They didn't have to build a business. And so they often have this guilt where they assume everyone was as lucky as they were. It's not the same as a guy who, you know, I don't know, opens up a bunch of Jack in the box, you know, franchises or rents manufacturing equipment. He knows the work that went into it. Someone like Cameron Diaz didn't do that. And so she has a bunch of money. She feels guilty about it. She's dumb and she wants to advance her career. Next question. If you could answer in one sentence, why do you think people are so wealthy? Why do you think people are so wealthy? If you could answer in one sentence, why do you think people care about what celebrities' political opinions are, what would it be? Because everything is downstream from culture. And so that's our biggest export in the United States. It's not iron ore, it's not oil, it's pop culture. What would you say to the individuals that have their political beliefs determined by celebrities, if they're listening right now? I'd say they're probably a girl. See, this is exactly. I'm serious. No, but I, how am I going to get a wife, man? What? When I say this? Yeah, he doesn't support me, by the way. He said I'm a total, he doesn't agree with me whatsoever, but I would say they're probably a girl. I mean, think about Eat, Pray, Love. You have people who went to India because they thought it was a spiritual experience until they saw half the country crapping in the streets, right? And they all came back with violent diarrhea. It's really spiritual. Have you been to India? I have not, and I will not. My brother has. I think that could be a unique experience for you because you've consistently brought up India. And obviously I've also- I hate it. But you've never been there? Not all Indians. I just hate the- I hate the caste system. I hate the godless void. I hate Jagad, the idea that you use Using the system is actually virtuous if you're able to use loopholes and get away with it. What would it take for you to go to India? Is there something someone could ever say? It would take this continent getting nuked. Could I pay you $3 million to go on a vacation to India? You will see me in the very next Bollywood film. So long as it's like a one week stay and you send me with a good supply of water and wet wipes. Okay. So Indians out there, if you have money and you're watching this right now and you want to open up Steven Crowder's mind to India, all it takes is three, would you do two? Now you're changing the deal. Okay. That's very Indian of you. You're negotiating after the, you're like, I don't know, $3 million, I don't know, two or three, it's the same. I'm Jewish. So, you know, it's the same kind of, it's kind of the same club, but- You're a tall Jew. Oh, stop it, you. Thank you. So anyways, $3 million, that's all it takes to send Steven Crowder to India. Before tax, before tax, to be clear. Yeah. I mean, no, I probably wouldn't. If you actually did it and there was a GoFundMe, I would do it. Like as a series, because it would be probably, I would be miserable and people would laugh. That would be the most viral content that I think I could- Yeah, I think it's actually worth it for you. To see you go to an Indian beach would be, I would love that. I think people don't understand this too. With the Indian, and have you ever done business? You ever done business with Indians? Yeah. Yeah. So what happens often is part of their thing is they will negotiate after a contract is done. Not all, but I have had many businesses here because there have been many in the North Texas area where they've actually had to take certain precautions because you will build a house and then they try and haggle after and say that something isn't right. Here's the reason why though. Virtually all of the world's credit card scams, all of them come from that area of the world. How does that happen? It's a mathematical impossibility unless there's a spiritual rot. Not all Indians. I'm talking about the foundational worldview with Hinduism and with that belief, you are in heaven or hell, right? It's karma. Well, what do you think that says to someone who's gotten by behaving horribly and screwing everyone else, but they've actually lined their pockets like, well, if this is hell, sign me up. This is as bad as it gets. It's not the same as ultimately you will be judged by the final creator and accountable and answerable to him for your deeds and for your life. Not how do you feel about it? It's you're going to burn for it. And that's why we look like America and that place looks like India. I've just had nothing but amazing experiences working with people from India. So it's hard for me to say anything negative because my perception, what's up? There are plenty of great Indians. I'm not saying I'm talking about the country. The worldview and its effect on the world. That's what I'm talking about. Not every single individual Indian. I'm sure if there's, you know, a few Indians out here in an apartment complex and they're going to a church, they want to take a dip. I have no problem with that. I think you got to go to India. All right. It's the only way to settle. Three million and it become an episodic. I think you should do a grumpy old man abroad in his thirties. I would love to see you just traveling the world, having dinner with different cultures and just you filming it. And you could kind of, you know, debate a little bit and make a few jokes and a few impressions. What would it take for you to do this? In Japan, eating a frog while it's smiling at me, still alive. Make it more tasty. Just weird. And I would like to go to Japan. Have you been to Japan? No, I haven't been. It is incredible. Oh, no, I know. Yeah. I want to go to Japan. I would like to go to Japan. Everything about it. I remember visiting and just thinking this place is perfect. It's so racist. Perfect. Oh, yeah. We were openly discriminated against multiple times going into bars where they say, oh, yeah, they kicked me out. We're fully because I'm white. Oh, yeah. And it's just but but part of me is like. You know, it's their business. It's, you know, whatever they want. And I'm exactly right. Like here, we're talking about let's let's round it. Call it 40 million illegal aliens. We need to let more in Japan. It got to three percent. They're like, this is a problem. No more. And they just like we're done with immigration. Have you seen how they just deport those people? So the guy named I'm a big mixed martial arts fan. There's a guy named Bob Sapp known as the Beast. He was in the longest yard. Big black guy. Just he's like three hundred and sixty pounds with a six pack just ripped. And he was a fighter in Japan. It was such a nightmare. It was such a novelty for a big black guy. They just had him on a billboard like a commercial with him eating bananas. Like you could be a black man eating banana like a gorilla. And no one had a problem with it. And he was like, man, they don't hate me. They're just OK with these stereotypes. So when people say that, yes, it's entirely homogenous culture. They set a hard limit on immigration. And Japan is for the Japanese. I just think it should be OK when America does it. But their economy is not doing the best. It's not. I mean, so they've been in a decline. So couldn't that also say that? Like that happened. Couldn't that we also just say like, hey, maybe their system's not working like long term. They got to make a pretty substantial. We have a real birth rate problem. Yes. So they have to open up, I think, for immigration, incentivize a lot of tourism. Otherwise, they're just going to slowly do it all the way. I don't want to be out of my depth here because laying the brain is over there. Like he studied in Asia and he has like he only Asian women will do. So he knows everything about Japan. So if I say something that's incorrect, he's going to be fuming at me. He's going to be like, I don't know what you're talking about, but I don't know what you're talking about. But yeah, they probably need to make some changes. I don't think that opening it to a bunch of third worlders is going to be the solution. But they do have a birth rate problem. They do have a work life balance problem. A big part of it is I don't really value life to the same way that we do here. I mean, it sort of extends from that samurai spirit where it was more important to the collective where your life wasn't as valuable. And then you apply that in the workspace. You apply that sometimes in the family space. I mean, that's why they have forest, which I one day this was awful by myself watching a documentary. And I was not in a good headspace when I did this. And then I'm like, why am I watching this documentary in this forest? And there's this guy who goes around the forest trying to stop people. It's not graphic or anything. But he just goes in. There's a guy in a tent. And he's talking to the camera. Like, I think this guy's going to kill himself. And he just goes up to the tent. And his whole effort is he's like, how are you? The guy's like, not good. You know, in the tent. He's like, think of your family. He's like, I will? Okay. And he walks away. He's like, so hopefully he don't kill himself. And I'm like, this is all they do because they're still respectful of your choice. So it's a deeply respectful culture that is so foreign to us. It might as well be another planet. But I certainly would rather go to Japan than India. How much of the Steven Crowder that appears on camera is actually Steven Crowder? The same guy just turned up to an 11. I mean, there will be some misconceptions, too. Like, the thing is, if you've ever worked, like, been in a comedy gym, the people who I'm closest with are the people I give the hardest time and vice versa. Like, if you were to read private texts between my best. So my best friends are my friend Johnny Boy, who works for me. I've known him since I was 12. Gerald for 20 years. My dad. We've always just been really close. He's one of the funniest guys I know. Still, same best friends. And the retention rate that we have at our company, we have people who've been there for 11 years, 7 years. So the misconceptions actually come from, you know, disgruntled employees, people who, you know, were either, in some cases, drug addicts, fired with cops. Because what people don't hear about is the wonderful culture, which is honestly what I'm most proud of at the company, because I get to go in and be around people who are fantastic. But that means that the stuff we do and say to each other as a comedy outlet would probably be shocking. With people who are coming in, you know, if you guys go and visit the studio, we'll be incredibly polite, because otherwise, you know, you'd probably run out, and rightfully so. What do people get most wrong about you? Did I seek conflict? Conflict? I'm actually pretty shy. Conflict avoidant in my private life. Yeah, I just thought someone would need to do it. But, you know, it also lends itself to what's a correct perception of me being recluse. It's not because I'm antisocial. I love people. I just, when I'm not working, my time is reserved for the people, you know, who really matter. So that's why you don't see me at a lot of functions and networking. And what's a fair criticism of yourself? A fair criticism would definitely be, like, everyone in my life and, like, telling me to relax, be a little less intense. I was sent to a high school guidance counselor. Not because I was a problem child. Not because I never touched a sip of alcohol, never slept with anybody in high school. But they sent me because they were like, he's just like a grumpy old man. He's just like a, and he's like 15. And I went there and they said, why are you so tightly wound? But I had an answer. I said, why am I so tightly wound? I don't know. Maybe because I don't see the sun. I don't see the sun for six months out of the year. When I get out of here and get in the 225 bus, it's already dark. And I come back in the next day, do it all over again for something that doesn't seem like it's going to apply. Oh, wait, I've got four hours of homework when I go home. It's going to go on my permanent record and a government test here in Quebec that 75% of us are going to fail. And I'm not good at anything. I don't know what I'm going to do for the rest of my life. And that's how I found jujitsu. They put me in the high school grappling club. So it was kids who had no dads, right? Next stop, juvie, and me. And it was just because they thought I was too stressed out. Right. Do you think you're difficult to work with? To outsiders, yes. To people within the company, no. To people within the company, actually, people like Molly and Lane, they're the ones going, hey, we're not going to let you come in today. Just take the day off. But to people outside of the company, and I don't even necessarily know that it would be difficult. It's just we're not necessarily in the same line of work. Is it possible for someone to date someone with different political beliefs than they have? Depends on how you're framing it. If you mean to have a casual relationship, sure. I mean, you could be with a fat chick and do that. If you're talking about meaningful relationship, no. No. How can you raise your kids? Where do you draw the line? I'm talking about someone who's going to be your wife, your long-term partner. No, I mean, you have like James Carville, who I guess is an exception, but that's because to him, like politics is a game and he's one of the best at it. But no, I don't think so. And I mean, I'm sure there are exceptions, but I wouldn't set my life up with someone who doesn't share the values because it's not about your individual values. It's, What do you, what do you. imbue to those into those kids has your view of compatibility changed as you've gotten older yes how so i certainly believe more in traditional roles that men and women are fundamentally different i always believe that but this interchangeability that we've applied uh to society at large has been corrosive and i don't think it's very good i think that uh you know it's a biblical definition that the man is the head of the household is to love his wife as christ loved the church but she is to submit to him in all things i think that single income households with a mom taking care of the children as opposed to paying a caretaker and i understand there are exceptions not everybody does this but that's the ideal and as a society we need to strive for the ideal situation for rearing children and it's not two parents out of the house and the kids in daycare and then being raised by a nanny another thing is that you've also gone through a very public divorce now i i think that just to do by right by our viewers i think i need to ask like what do you think people got right and what do you think people got wrong about that situation well i'm i'm not going to talk about that because that's the mother of my children and um i've never uh addressed it beyond acknowledging that it was happening publicly or defended myself um but i want their i want those kids to respect their mother and their father um it was a very rude awakening though to be one of the few people who as a matter of record in court under oath never cheated never and to see the kind of pr campaign that a judge ruled was allowed to continue as an extortion suit uh which i dropped um there were some people out there who did some due diligence and kind of actually pulled what happened in court uh i never addressed it but to them i'm forever grateful because there's there's the court a public opinion there's the court what actually happened and it takes it takes multiple parties to make something like that fail but beyond that i'm i want those kids to to be obedient and to love both parents so what happened there specifically between like the court of public opinion and what actually happened in court what was the resolution between that well there was no resolution you just said people believe things that aren't so it's a matter of record uh in court never cheated never uh but you have people who believe that you know it's like a lifetime movie and someone was being pushed down a flight of stairs so yeah um maybe someday but uh what's most important is is that those kids love both their mom and their dad um and neither one is perfect uh but only one really voiced a lot on that publicly and it wasn't myself and i'd rather keep it that way did you learn anything going through something like that about relationships or about life about yourself some very valuable lesson going through such an intense and life-changing experience yeah that i guess could you know you could share for someone to learn uh i definitely learned a lot about the about the system and how it exists and so uh not only did i learn a lot about it but i also learned a lot about the system and how it works and so i think that's one of the things that i've learned in my life is that i've learned a lot about the system and how it works and so i think that's one of the things that i've learned in my life is that i've learned a lot about the system and how it works and so i think that's one of the things that i've learned in my life is that i've learned a lot about the system and how it works to another party that's very rare for a man i'm very grateful for that but knowing how 90 go one way and and and seeing other fathers out there who may be flawed like you see this with lindsey clancy right now people saying well i think and it took me a while where i had to really search there's no evidence that this guy ever cheated there's no evidence that this guy ever did anything wrong as a matter of fact he took paternity leave uh he actually worked from home so that he could be more present he got her a nanny he would go pick up prescriptions the day that she planned to her children he was picking up prescriptions and bringing home food and people still go he didn't do enough i think the husband did it on no basis other than we don't want this woman who her children to be accountable and this may be uncomfortable for people but i have talked about this one quite a bit and i think it's been a wake-up call where people go has this large of a percentage of western women always been this crazy like there was that court tv poll with a lot and 60 something percent said she was not guilty i mean candace said that she was absolutely not guilty i'm not even willing to entertain the discussion of postpartum insert whatever here pharmaceutical companies the husband because i can't get out of kid number two that's all i think about i didn't sleep for nights we want to talk about how she felt and how maybe he picked up chinese food when he should have picked up dominoes imagine being kid number two i think it was a five a three-year-old and a seven-month-old well your mom's your brother and you're next and we're talking about whether she was taken that to me is a very strong statement as to where we are as a society and it's coming from one half you didn't see any men line up to support dahmer or gacy or bundy and i hope i hope we reverse course did you have a prenup no and what have you learned going through that experience you can guess but this is it this is obvious yes it's a it's actually quite a common discussion we have on this podcast specifically i think people should have prenups yeah i think people should absolutely have prenups when people say and this is a big failure of the evangelical protestant church like well you don't need a prenup because you're planning for you're planning for the marriage to fail well you could just as easily go okay you're planning you're planning to to fleece it's the same thing like going back to lindsey clancy they go well he didn't do enough let's just apply that exact same mindset to her you think she was doing enough you think she just one day or three children or do you think she was probably a wife and mom too and everyone turned up because boy gee golly she has access to all the health care in the world and she doctor shops maybe she wasn't doing enough so i think yeah prenup prenup uh i will say money and violence creates clarity unfortunately creates clarity as far as sides money clarifies relationships where people say yeah yeah i'll do it for you and then money gets involved and you realize wait a second someone's intentions are a little bit different it's interesting yeah i think uh and i think when you understand that you know up to 70 percent of divorce filings in this country are are women and you understand that uh physical and infidelity are not the top reasons listed i think when you look at the fact that uh domestic one-way domestic is far more common from women to men it's most common between lesbian couples this is well documented and that a single mother household a single mother is 48 more likely to the child than a father i think we have a broken system i really do and i think the fact that the outrage is over a prenup this is what i say i am a very very flawed and prickly uh conservative christian who believes that marriage and family the nuclear family is the foundation and bedrock of western society that's why marx and black lives matter and socialists have tried to tear it down it's in their charter i think it's it's super important and it's hard for me to advocate that a young successful man get married without a prenup what do you do with that it's no longer a religious thing there's a covenant with god and then there's a there's a legal contract in the state and it's the only contract where one side that that earns the lesser financially is incentivized to break it and it's a multi-billion dollar industry now i'll tell you this one other example is in the kentucky they switched custody default to 50 50. meaning like we're not going to argue over that unless there's obviously it starts automatically with 50 50 custody and you saw divorce filings go down significantly people will say it was part of a larger trend in other states but not to the degree that kentucky saw that sharp decline you know why it was lost as a leverage point i think people don't like to face the fact that too often not all women will use children as leverage against the father and it's very common in the court system i used to be a little bit iffy on prenups kind of mostly against it and then as time has passed i've kind of come around to them because i think likening them to a seat belt is somewhat applicable it's like you get into a car you don't expect to get in a car crash you're driving your car you know you're safe then there are so many other variables that you can't necessarily account for so it's like you may as well wear your seat belt yeah plus your bank account grew so that makes sense true and you know with what's going on on hinge i don't blame you but no i think i think it absolutely makes sense and it it's uh there are ways to also do them reasonably um where it's no one wants to leave anybody destitute would you get married again covenant before god yeah with the state don't know all right stephen we have some rapid fire questions for you now give us like a one sentence response and uh and let's let's hear what you got to say all right what political beliefs have you changed your mind on international trade when i saw how unfair it was what belief are you least certain about today probably same one international trade that's a big one has there a ever been a moment where you seriously considered stepping away from politics yes when all the time has covering politics every day made your life better or worse uh less happy for large seasons of my life until i uh more maturely became equipped to handle it but it is a it is a soul suck because you see the darkest of humanity sometimes what's the biggest mistake people make when debating probably should ask a super skilled debater but i i think uh operating off of a false premise is probably the big one false premise or straw man thinking it'll work who's the best president of your lifetime of my lifetime donald trump worst president of your lifetime well you could say you know the bill clinton because of family people but probably barack obama as far as his policy being corrosive optimistic or pessimistic about america in 10 years optimistic what's one piece of advice you'd give to a young person watching if it was about anything doesn't have to be political could be philosophical could be psychological it could be anything what do you think they need help with i think a lot of people are struggling with meaning and purpose and that needs to come from self-esteem there are only there's only one way to actually generate to create real self-esteem find something that you maybe have an aptitude for get really good at it Get excellent at something. That will be the baseline for true self-esteem because you'll understand that you can get good at something. And then, biblically, esteem others first. Serve others first. Get really, really good at something. Find out how you can use that something to make a living, but also serve others. So we have this list of people, and I want to know if you could ask them a question, and they had to be 100% honest with the answer. So, like, they could not lie. Yeah. You had some serum that you could give to them. What question would you ask AOC? Are those real? Tucker Carlson. Why the flip? Ben Shapiro. Well, why didn't you show up for the debate that we were going to have? I still have a ton of respect for you, my man. Bernie Sanders. Taupe or bleach straight jacket? Nick Fuentes. Is there a world in which bridges could be built with people who've objectively wronged you? And is there a world in which you think that you could work alongside some people who would surprise folks? Or do you want to be doing what it is that you do forever? Hillary Clinton. Why'd you kill that guy? Why is the question? Yeah. That's the question that you would have for her. Yeah, why'd you kill those guys? Elon Musk. At a certain point, it's too many. Why Ashley Sinclair? Why didn't you see that one coming a mile away? Peter Thiel. Is your blood bag human, like, part-time? Or full-time? Are they salaried? Or is it like a contractor? Do you have any questions for us? Oh my gosh, I have so many questions for you guys. Flip it. Flip it. Because whatever you ask right now, all we're going to do to end it is a tier list, and then we're done. Okay. So you have the field now. Yeah, you've been doing YouTube for 10 years. 10 years. And you have been. I've been working with him for, what, eight and a half? Seven. Seven? Seven and a half, yeah. Jack sent me an email. He sent you an email? He sent me an email wanting to work. Said he would do anything. And it just happened to be at a time where I was. had so much on my plate, and I gave Jack some very menial work. I thought you were going to say it happened to come at a time you were horny. I'll do anything. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's a date. By the way, don't do that again. Don't send a guy, a stranger, I'll do anything. Well, you know, who knows? It worked for someone else. It did. It worked for Kamala Harris, and she would have been the example as the first female president. Listen, he did a great job, and then I was like, what else can I give him? And it was some editing work. And then it was some emails. And it slowly progressed. Have you guys ever had, like, a big blow-up fight, and then resolved it? We've never had a big blow-up fight. We had one, not necessarily a fight, because we don't get angry at each other. The things that make me angry about Graham, I would say, is his general incompetence with certain things. Okay, what? Like, I mean, you set up the set, and everything's set up incorrectly. Nothing was set up incorrectly. You're going to take that from him? Give him a shot. No, nothing was set up correctly. I know what he's. He thinks I'm lazy, yeah. So it's like, the thing is, once you become so close with someone, you know them and you accept them for all of the things that they have that are good and all of the things that they have that are bad. You know, and so Graham and I are at this point where, like, I can be 100% honest with him, he can be 100% honest with me, like the fact that he didn't realize that if we had a dynamic shot in the background, then we'd have a black bar going through this thing all the time. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Like the fact that he set up the audio, and he had a power cable running over the audio cables, which will cause buzzing. I knew that, I knew that. Well, how come when I checked it, see, like, I have to check all of his work, because if I don't, then we can have an issue like that. He's making stuff up. Who signs the fronts of checks between you, right? No, we're equal partners. You're equal partners? Yeah. Technically, I think it's like 50, 49. Well, that seems like a mistake. He just shit on you for like a minute and a half straight. Shit on me. He's lazy, and he doesn't respond to text messages, and I think his priorities are a little out of whack. He likes life balance, which I think as a 20-something, there's no life balance. Just like, dig in. We have a unique opportunity here. We got to work really, really, really hard. And then when he's 35, he could, you know, take his foot off the gas a little bit. That's all. That actually, though, that's his version of it. You play ball like a girl. You're like, this cable, and this should be USB-C, and he's just like, he's a lazy. He wins. Why does he win? Oh, just because that's soul crushing. What? What is? Lazy. I'm saying like, you know, doing cable configuration wrong. Well, I don't think that, I don't think I'm lazy. I think that like, I can see the fact that I could 100,000% work harder, and if he was in my shoes, he would 100% be working harder than I am. But I'm not, disappointed with the progress that we've made. I think we're doing a really good job, and I do work hard. And so like, I don't feel incomplete. I actually feel very satisfied with my level of work and my contributions. Did you see how I just wizarded you guys like a wizard? No, I didn't see that. Okay. So you crapped on him. Yeah. And then you crapped on him, and all I did was like, man, you were better at your crapping. And you were like, no, no, no. Then you defended him, and he defended you, and you guys have made up. Well, we've never been at odds. But this is not like a new thing. No, but what I'm saying is, see, that's the thing, right? Because you ask about being difficult to work with with insiders, outsiders. You crapped on him, he crapped on you, and then I threw my lot in with him, and you immediately defended him. Well, I don't want you to start team, I don't want you to start attacking him. No, that's the point. That's how you should be. That's how I know you two guys, that's loyalty, right? But to the outside of like, how could you guys say that about each other? But if someone else comes in, you're going to defend your bully, and you're going to defend yourself. Oh, we've said far worse about each other. And then people think it's serious, so we scaled back on it. It's like half joking. It's almost impossible to be so close when we're traveling to Dallas, and even yesterday, Graham was like, hey, we're doing a hotel, do you want to share a room? And we could save them money. And we could save them. Two bets, of course. We're still at that spot, not necessarily financially, I'm just saying, we're still at that spot, we're comfortable enough to be, we travel all the time, we spend all this time together, it's impossible for us to not have a good relationship. We could save like 250 bucks, because we're getting in at 1 a.m., we're just waking up in the morning. We could save like 300 bucks. Just for going to bed. My best friend, who works for me, he's like my other, it's the first time I've had other comedy writers, I had to write every single sketch you guys have seen for a very long time. And I've known him since I was 12. And I love him. He's very much like a brother to me. We used to share rooms, but his snoring, it sounds like he's actually dying. Like physically dying. Like the snore gets really loud, like, and then stops. Apnea, right? He swears that it's not. It is. But, yeah. That's sleep apnea. So I was like, we can't do the same room anymore. Because I just wasn't able to sleep. Because I was worried about my friend dying. So, you two are a cute couple. Thanks. Anything else? You say his priority's out of whack. Is that as far as him, like, I know working, but would you like to see him, because you have a family, would you like to see him find a lady? What kind of lady do you think he needs? I think we're on the same page there. Yeah, we're on the same page. Part of me thinks he should wait a little longer. He's 28, I think, by the time he's like 30. I'm 27. What? I'm 27. You're going to be 28 in like a month and a half. Okay. So, I think if he waits to 30, I think the person he could get today, he can get an even better person in two years. How? I think Jack focusing that time on his career is going to elevate and expand him in other ways that I think will benefit. No, I think it's true. He's going to be more attractive to a woman because he'll be wealthier and more successful. Sure. I mean, is that not a. Oh, no, but that's considered a horrible misogyny right now. And they're like, people will say that reeks of menace here. But here's the thing. I also think, because I knew myself, in my 20s, my priorities, everything has changed dramatically by the time I was 30. Okay. And so, I feel like you just solidify who you are as a person. You really know what you want, what's important. I think that helps. Yeah. I've pretty much always been the same. You want me to tell you those quick stories of how I became conservative? Mm-hmm. Okay. A couple of them. One was at a communist drama teacher. And she, at one point, said that we should give all the money back to Native Americans. And I've told this story on my show. And I had just come from history class in Quebec. The primary ones were the Algonquins and the Iroquois. And she said, we should give all the land back to Native Americans. I said, well, which ones? And she said, well, which ones? Because we were at war with each other. And she goes, that's just so right-wing. Didn't know what it meant. I was 11 or 12. I went home to my dad. I said, what does it mean, right-wing? He said, who said that? I said, my communist drama teacher. He said, oh, well, this is what it means. And he explained to me the political spectrum. And I said, okay, I'm that. And I went back the next day and I said, she went absolutely nuts. The other one was, I learned about nuclear disarmament. I had a teacher saying, you know, nuclear disarmament is what we need to do. And I was a kid and I didn't have all the information. I said, well, what is that? She said, well, nukes can destroy the world X times over. I said, okay, that's terrible. She said, yeah, so we need to disarm. I said, okay, so how do we do that? She said, well, America needs to get rid of its nuclear arsenal. I said, okay. And then everyone else is going to. And she said, well, you know, hopefully. I said, no, but there's like an agreement that everyone would do it because you said America should get rid of them. She said, yeah. I said, what other, what other countries have nuclear weapons? And I remember her answering like, like Russia, China, and she said France because that stuck out to me. I said, okay, so Russia, China, and France, after the United States gets rid of all their nuclear weapons, they will get rid of theirs too? She said, well, hopefully. And I said, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. That made me conservative. Those two things were the starting point where I was like, this is ridiculous. And then I got my first checks and my dad explained to me how taxes work, but just as a kid, I was like, what? It just defied logic. And I've been right-leaning ever since. See, I've always been fiscally conservative, socially liberal. Okay, Dave Rubin. It's true. I don't care what people do. If it doesn't affect me directly, I really don't care. But when it comes to, when I see, like, owing taxes, I have a huge tax bill coming up. And I'm just thinking, oh my gosh, it's all this stuff that it just gets wasted on. And I'd love more accountability when it comes to that. And when I see some spending or when I pull a permit to bill. something and i see where's that money going yeah it's just it's gone going to fund some it's not even that it's just it funnels through these different things and then by the time it lands and it's like a penny is goes in the final spot of that dollar i used to be that way until you realize that they're inextricably tied that the overspending and all the social programs and social justice uh that comes with a godless view of government with without the original parameters and it'll never be fixed until we say this is the legitimate purview of government as identified by the founders a deeply christian nation uh otherwise you're going to end up funding lgbtq drag shows it just seems like both sides equally spend money they don't have just because it's not their money and they could keep doing it yeah well that's my definition of political corruption uh i know that i think we kind of glanced past that but uh yeah is it's not just about you know embezzling money or growing your portfolio it's promising a constituency the um promising them ill-gotten gain at the cost of someone else because it's immoral it's in any other scenario illegal it's never considered charitable to take someone's money and give it to someone else when it's not yours but it's the fastest way to guarantee a baseline voter base and i think that is the definition of political corruption i'm going to take from him to give to you what do you think the tax rate should be when does it cross the line from like taxes to just that's theft if you were going to do it um in a data-driven way you could look at hauser's law and that shows us as far as pretty much total tax revenue collected right there's a curve where it actually doesn't change it's been pretty consistent i think the number is between 16 and like 21 and the revenues regardless of what you tax as far as income end up being pretty comparable so there's a curve if you were to look at it data-wise where there's a point of diminishing returns we could just start and pick there morally i would say 10 but that's a conversation for another day would you support a flat tax yes do you think that could ever happen probably not because it's too easy to buy votes by promising uh to rob peter to pay paul but yeah i think i think that makes sense i absolutely think it's what would be fair and what was considered reasonable for a very very long time yeah i would love to see just a flat 15 to 20 tax like no brackets just just everyone pays the same if you make a hundred bucks you pay the same as a hundred million uh maybe you could argue capital gains is you know a few percent below because that money's already been taxed just something flat i would love your tax code to be able to fit on 10 pieces of paper no i agree you know what okay call it a 15 percent uh flat tax with a very very few write-offs and loopholes there you go easy it's not gonna happen uh and that's one where you could say it's not gonna happen because of both sides that's where i would agree i hate the booth aids man but like i should be wearing patchouli and a peace symbol but in that case too many people stand to gain from that entire industry yeah all righty so we have a tier list just go ahead and give us your general thoughts on the people on this list and we'll see you in the next one highest ranking is s lowest rank you want to do with the actual mouse cursor yeah yeah just click on it and drag it okay so here's my question is this tier list based on um my support for them how much i agree with them or how effective they are at you know their chosen endeavor i would like just say it's general broad thoughts about that as that person as an individual yeah i can't do that because so the problem is you have people in there who are conservative who aren't so i don't want to just put them down there because i don't share their views so if you're a conservative it would be at their chosen field of work and by the way it's not all the same thing so as far as okay let me give you the easy ones right off the bat joe rogan would be s list because he was a pioneer i remember watching oh sorry i'm doing it i'm reaching across here uh i remember watching him from my then high school girlfriend's den when he uh had a show and he called uh carlos mencita task and by the way he referenced two inspirations for writing comedy dave chapelle and nick dipalo nick dipalo's on the show all the time he's one of the best comedians working funniest man alive aoc f tier because she's uh bernie sanders i'll go you know what i'll go c tier because he's done this he's done a pretty effective job he needs to maintain the lie he needs to convince people that he's a man of the people even though he has three houses now you know one house you're doing pretty well two houses is luxury three houses nobody needs that and you certainly don't get to be a socialist uh ben shapiro ben shapiro would definitely be um a tier at his again i disagree with him on a whole lot but at his chosen endeavor and taking sort of picking his spots and being adjacent to businesses and then playing a role so that they become uh major revenue generators and also playing a role in that okay he's good at that um charlie kirk you just have to say s because there's no answer that would be even acceptable even though i like charlie kirk but if i put him anywhere else someone's going to be really mad uh bill maher f tier because bill maher has never been funny accidentally and he's ripped off at least three or four jokes from myself and i never made it onto his show because his call screener uh you know didn't like i'm not the intellectual titan of tommy loran or se cup but uh i really wanted to be on his show uh candace owens oh my gosh she here's a thing if you're going to talk about being educated politically or adding value to the uh cultural dialogue it would be f if you're going to grade her based on what she is seeking to achieve which is like be the next oprah and she's basically created a whole new market like 80 of her viewership is you know stay-at-home true crime moms not political she's been pretty effective at that and she's been pretty effective at whitewashing that she was a career-long liberal and you know um very pro israel and uh went and uh visited the wall so i'll put her on s tier because she has created a whole new market destiny i don't he's just kind of someone i ignore so i'll just put him right there next to bernie uh don lemon you know what he deserves f because he's the worst but he's just so fun to beat up and i don't mean physically that um you know he's brought me some enjoyment in my life don lemon so i'm going to put him right there on i'll put him on d uh elon musk well it's pretty hard to take the richest man alive and put him as anything other than s tier even though you know i disagree with him on a whole lot and someone that powerful could could always potentially be the antichrist i'm not saying for any specific reason it's just always potential gavin newsom oh my gosh gavin newsom um pretty effective at what he does because his state is awful uh but for some reason people think that he's actually a passable governor uh hassan piker again is just kind of someone that i generally ignore but i'm going to put him on f tier because people died while he was uh there doing that whole concert shindig in cuba and it caused a power outage at the local hospital jd vance i will put on b don't know enough about him uh yet but i like what i see i still have some concerns with him jordan peterson uh definitely should go a tier i hope he gets better uh and i hope that his uh you know his issues with his family clear up um i mean i hope his health issues that he's going through with his family there's nothing wrong with his family to be clear and he's been on the show he was on the show before he ever appeared in the states because i knew him from canada really really good guy uh matt walsh i mean i don't know if i put him on b tier i mean i guess b tier because he's not as big as ben shapiro and doesn't have like the equity stake in it but he's obviously a very i agree with most of what he says megan kelly um this episode is brought to you by google chrome you think you know a browser but gemini and chrome that's new it can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks gemini and chrome is here for it ready to make anything online make sense there's no place like chrome check responses set up required compatibility and availability that's a tough one because she went from advocating transing children to you know now being right leaning and so i just never really know where she lines up and she also doesn't employ herself she's still kind of consistently been an employee so i'll put her on b tier nick fuentes again if the if the standard here is how effective are they in their chosen endeavor whether you like him or not and for the longest time i really really really did not like him and i disagree with him on a whole lot he chose to be an outsider and did it his own way and he will stand and defend his views with anyone who will host him so i'm going to give him you know but he you know he hasn't he hasn't reached the level that he would like to give him a tier barack obama uh d tier diversity hire pierce morgan i'll put him as a c you know what i'll put him i'll put him as a b because he's chosen to be the the you know the maury povich of youtube and at that he's really good donald trump um gosh immigration s tier the rest of his presidency b so i'll take donald trump and i will put him honestly probably at a b tier at this moment in time if it was just his first term a tier the first three years it remains i will in a bet that he's probably going to be up there at a tier at some point tucker carlson um well which tucker carlson the fox news bowtie libertarian tucker carlson tucker carlson today i mean i will say this as far as hosting people and completely evading anyone who would hold him to account or challenge him in any way shape or form you know like a champion who ducks tough fights tucker carlson Tucker Carlson is A tier because it's really easy to beat up on Ted Cruz or Huckabee. Put him Or sorry, S tier. I put him on S tier. As far as hosting a show and making it, again, erasing your past, where people look to go, well, this is remarkably inconsistent, and avoiding hosting anyone who would actually hold your feet to the fire. That's what he's chosen to do. It's what is most beneficial to him. And he's also, by the way, a good host. There's a reason he's done it for a very long time. He was at CNN, and that failed, and he was at CNBC, and then Fox News Weekend, Fox News. The guy, I will say this, like Nick Fuentes, the guy is a survivor. And I do have to give him that credit. After he went through and his texts were leaked, that he hated Trump, that he despised the Trump votership, and his elitist came out, he's managed to stick around and be pretty effective with it. Doesn't mean that I agree with him, but I have to respect what he's done. Cool. Thank you. Thank you so much. I didn't expect to do that with the mouse pad and stuff. That was fun. You should make a video like that. I really think it would blow up. Oh, the tier list too, so well. People love them. They love them. Yeah, I know people like tier lists, but then there's so much crap with other guys. It's like S tier, B tier, with no explanation. You're like, well. Why am I watching this? But you could do that for like an hour and talk over everyone and give examples. Oh, people would eat that up. Love it. I will say as far as hosts, you guys right now, A minus tier. Really? A tier. I was worried we didn't do a great job today because I felt we bounced around. I'll take A tier. Okay. Yeah, I definitely would. I think that you guys know to get to S tier, it's going to be like your name needs to be synonymous. You need to be like the guys in the finance space, but I do think you're pretty good. I think you two work really well. You two pull off of each other. Thank you. Thanks. Cool. I really appreciate it. No, I usually don't like, I know it's pretty evasive. I don't usually do a lot of other programs, but also laying the brain really speaks highly of you. Thank you. Thank you, brain. You're two decent guys. I hope you find a lady. Hinge, probably not the best place. Where is? Grinder. Church, but you're Jewish. Synagogue. I don't go to, I'm like ethnically Jewish, but I'm not, you know, mom's Jewish. All right, then accept Christ and church. I've been to church. You would do the first half. We'll talk about that off air. Guys, thank you so much for watching. Thank you. All of your things will be linked down below in the description. Thank you for the goodie bags. You brought over these goodie bags. Appreciate it, man. Thank you to Chris Camillo for letting us use this space. This is called Sky House. So if you want any information on that, it's linked down below in the description. Thank you for editing this episode. Thank you to everybody. The goodie bags are just meth. Oh, and thank you, by the way, to our channel members who get access to this completely uncensored. So all. If you're naughty words, you guys could be watching it. I'm fine with it. Thanks, guys. Till next time. I would argue the negative data. If you're a first time homebuyer is good. It's bad if you're an existing owner. What if you are wrong? I'm not going to lie. I am pulling for a national home price crash. New home construction. That's down while the cost of those homes and most everything else these days is up. What does this tell you about the greater U.S. economy? Existing home sales are around four million. That's about what they were in 2008, 2009. During the worst financial crash in 80 years. The gap between what homebuyers need to earn and what they actually make has never been wider. What out of everything you've seen in the past three months is the most surprising thing? Someone bought a house for 500. It's now 400. You know, we were told that that's like not possible. Who should buy a house and who should not? So for the vast majority of people in the U.S., be very careful if you're buying. Property is fine, except it's pretty darn expensive. Expensive by historical standards. I don't think we're going to see entire markets go down 65 percent. I think we'll see entire markets go down. That I mean, that would be insane. Yeah. I was an Avenger. But I'm not a hero anymore. It's like I'm losing my. You sure about that? Why am I losing my. Don't miss the two episode premiere of Marvel Television's Vision Quest. Now streaming only on Disney Plus.