Huge Overlap Daily Launch Show With Goldbridge, Carragher and Neville! EP 1

Overlapped Daily's brought to you by our title sponsors Skybett and Sky Vegas. This is a global Andy Overlapped production. I like that. He was out there the other day. I like that. Yeah, very good. Yeah, I like it. Can't beat a bit of fuel back. Fuel's returned. I'm wearing my sat by the way in the show. Here I am. Right back. Hey. Carriger and Goldbridge are in there. I'm just. Here we go. This is it. What? What a contradiction this table is. You've got flapjacks. You've got flapjacks and strawberries. Flapjacks and strawberries. What a contradiction. It's a solid, constant, so reckless. They've got a little bowl for empties. We are recording this, aren't we? Yeah. Let's go. We're doing it. Goldbridge is hosting it, but to be fair. I'll come in, Carriger. Let Goldbridge host a show. We can't let Goldbridge host a show. This is the vanilla. It's back here. We couldn't live without fuel, could we? Carriger, should we do this show? We don't need. I've been waiting to step up for a while now, Gary. I can see. I've been your social media following. I don't do it. That's the problem. You've got a few a bit. Not that much. I don't post or anything. I don't. I should make more of an effort, but I'm lazy with it. What's your favourite show? It's obviously it's a football. But that's. Overlapped Daily is coming up on the road. It's overlapped Daily coming up on the road. I say that I love the main interviews, the walk-and-talk. Oh, yeah. That's how we started. We don't do many of them, do we? I did an interview yesterday. Fienighted. It's 40th anniversary of enjoying the club 1986 in a couple of weeks. And I was saying, we should do one more Champions League. He was saying about having to Liverpool never won a title. I'd rather the city get off scot-free than Carrega be giving a retrospective title. Because he'd get one anyway. He missed it. He wasn't in it anyway. I always said that he would have stayed on if he had known. that they were going to. go for it. You could come out of nowhere really Liverpool. That title challenge didn't it with Roger? No, I didn't come out of nowhere that. I forget that. No. By the way, one of the best bits of television, it was his first season on Sky. One of the best bits of television I've ever seen. John's sometimes working with someone. He was early. And I was probably at that time the more sort of dominant puttin' it. Well, I was. He was just joining. And he played Crystal Palace on the Monday night. You remember the game? I was there. Where you were three, one up? I was there. It cut to me. Liverpool were three one up. Yeah. And then they literally conceded two goals from set of pieces. They kept dropping back too deep. It came off the bench. And he just went. What was that? I skipped school to go to that gate. I was there. You don't look like the sagging type to me here. I can't imagine you getting off school. I didn't do it. I didn't do it. I'm both Monday night football. I was saying that he was saying that we'll get a title if City gets it to title. And I'd rather City get off scot-free than you would have been a title. I'm the only one who doesn't nick one. I miss South. I miss South on it. Do you remember that first year you joined Sky? Yeah. That was Liverpool's 16. And Liverpool was literally about to win it. And obviously it was the. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't slip. Yeah. We're not a part of a team. And I'll do that. And so you can't say stuff like that. Well, it's going to be itself on the show. I keep reading that you're not going to be yourself. You've sold out? Well. And. There you go. You're in there. OK. There you go. I was actually thinking on the way up. You know, your punditry career is a bit like your player career, isn't it? Go on. You've got your lines ready. I've got my lines ready for you. I've got my initial breaks off. Yeah, yeah. You used to be policemen, didn't you? Yeah. You're a fraud. Yeah. There we go. This is what I'm here for the man. Sit you stuff. Yeah. But you had the biggest fraud, don't you think? Well, why is this? My name is Mark. But it's really Brent. Yeah. And you say you're a man in the 90's if I'm really not single forest fan? Well, you've got. Yeah, you know what I mean? I mean, you want to start with that. You want to start with that? Yeah. You're here with an everything kit in there. But that's out there, isn't it? Yeah. Are you really not single forest fan? You are. No. Come on. No. Wait, we can do a whole hour. I said, look, we're using the hoots last night. No, no, no. He messes me at Bloody Five 10 past five this morning. Yeah. I was like, yeah, he had bright and sun-lin' on the running order. Fucking bright and sun-lin'. No, he said, um. I said. Maybe keeping all that in is that stating in or something. Or you want that out? No, he can't. I feel like I can't have that in. No. Of course you can have it in. You can have it if you want. Yeah, I want that in. I want it out. I said to him, I said, look, car is a bit of a twat. I said, you'll definitely come in with a. You'll definitely come in with a bit of shouts. No, I just. You've just got me prepared for what they come up with, you know what I mean? What could he say to me? He always attacks first. I thought I'd think of anything I could say about Jamie. Yeah, yeah. Do you know the first. Do you know the first Monday Night Football? What was your line that you had for me? It was a. No one wants to be. No one grows up wanting to be a Gary Neville. Yeah. First Monday Night Football bang straight in. You know what I mean? It comes prepared, fair play. He does come prepared. No, I do feel a bit intimidated because I've been at. You're both in the past. Yeah. I admit I'd accord you any. That's right. That's why you never got on the fan debate. Yeah. No, that's why you never replied to it. You replied to it. You replied and went, somebody said. Get Goldridge on the fan debate and you replied. No. Never. No, no, I said that. It's just no. It wasn't never. It wasn't never. I probably did a video on that. It wasn't no. It wasn't never. It was no. Carregor it would just be. Yeah. It would just be like. What's his worst statement on Kara? Weasel. Weasel. No, you won't accord you a weasel. You're not a weasel. You're many things, but you're not a weasel. What's a weasel? A weasel's someone who's a bit like. Don't you? Do plasticists a little bit like sneaky. You're not sneaky. No. You're not sneaky. Do plasticists. Do plasticists means like. You're a bit sort of devious. A bit like sneaky. A bit like sort of that. You're not that. We don't want to. Anyone else like that on the overlap daily? Okay. Did you have something? I love that picture behind. It's brilliant that. That little subute. Do you think it's good that? Who is it? What is that picture there? But who's done that picture? Looks like someone's got some of that Dubai pistachio and just whacked it on the list. Oh, don't mention pistachio. I love pistachio. I love pistachio, yeah. But I actually love that picture. A different frame. I'd have that in my house, actually. And I don't have football pitches in my house. Should we do it? I thought we were doing it. Welcome to Overlap Daily brought to you by SkyBet. A brand new daily show with all the football stories and conversations you need to know about. SkyBet have been a massive part of the Overlap from the very beginning, so we're delighted to have them with us for the next chapter. Let's get started with our very first episode. I've got Gary Neville and Jamie Carriger with me to discuss all the big topics we've got going on. Obviously we're going to get into Liverpool against Man City, the return of the Premier League, the end of that horrible international break. But before we get into that. It's not been that bad. I've hated it. But do you know something? Look, I think we've said this in the past. Do you know something? I think the games actually quite like a few of the game. The England games. I actually enjoyed watching them. Well, I didn't watch them. I didn't watch too much of them. Well, yeah, I watched the England games. I know I always clash the international break. I'm so intense when the club games are on the Champions League and football. I almost see the international break as a bit right. A holiday. Yeah. A bit like the injury. Yeah, you're right. And what's the word you call it? Now, it's not even a. Oh, me, a mini retirement. But it can't be a mini one. If it's a three-week one. It's a long time for the. I mean, you've both played at the highest level. It's, I mean, three weeks. I look at it and go, if Harry Maguire or a Liverpool player that didn't get called up, that's a long break. I know some of them went on holiday, but you get that five game momentum and then you've got three weeks. I think we're going to get some really funny results this weekend. Yeah, me. But I mean, you. Look at the problem. When you look at it, the reason it's been brought in is there's now only five weeks of international football before Christmas, as opposed to six, basically. But then I was thinking, is it actually better for the England team or every international team? And the manager. Yeah, yeah. It's like having like a little. Oh, definitely. You know, rather than just. They're here for a couple of weeks and then they're gone. Just that extra week must feel like you can probably do a debrief after games. You know, get into things that you probably can't do. Do I. Do you know what I thought about it? I thought after the World Cup, I thought Thomas II could get to September and he got a few dodgy results in these four matches. You could end up in a bit of trouble. You know, like a bit of a negative. It's here for three weeks or two and a half weeks. And your manager is losing games. It's a bit of a problem. I bet the Portugal coach thinks it feels like it's been months. Do you know what I mean? What he's been going through? I think he has handled it brilliantly. I think he's been outstanding. Yeah, let's get into the England. Let's get into the England. Oh, my God. If anybody's not seeing it, incredible stuff. I mean, the fact that Portugal won four games, he's got off to a very good start. But Ronaldo will start with you because you've had a bit of history. He didn't shake his hand, did he? It's. Right. You're under as well. No, mine's right. Well, you can both have a say. Ronaldo, Jamie, what was your thoughts on that? I mean. I mean, big headline with the messy. Yeah, I think. No, the Pelle Maradona stuff. I mean. I mean, it was all sort of random like this, wasn't it, for Ronaldo? In any. It ended messy, didn't it? At United. I think. I don't know if there was something similar at the event. And just the time and of the same nice messy, retired for Argentina and the way he finished compared to Ronaldo. And it probably just sums both of them up really in terms of the type of people that they are. And maybe messy is. You know, there has a massive ego. I'm sure he does. Mae'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r rhai'r Mae'n yw'r fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn fawr yn Mae'n mynd i'n mynd i'n ffordd, mae'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i'n mynd i' i'n dwi'n sefyllfa, i'n dwi'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n dwi'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n gwyllfa i'n i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w i'w Felly mae'n gwaith sy'n gwaith ymwna i'n gwaith ymwna i'n gwaith sy'n gwaith ymwna i'n gwaith ymwna i'n gwaith ymwna i'n gwaith ymwna. Felly, felly mae'r gweithio, mae'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r But because it's not about him, it's happened on the pitch, he then becomes the manager and he stood up and he's jumping out, hobbling, pretending he's more hurt than he probably was. And he's pushing the manager up and he's giving instructions and saying, "I've never seen anything like it." And then when the final whistle goes, everyone runs onto the pitch or goes to the goal scorer. He just stops and like soars at like a foes on the floor very like his own. He never, it always has to be about him and I understand who he is and the great players and more often not it's always about them. But there are times when it's not very few times and he just, he can't have that joy for somebody else. He's got a time, bring someone else down, he's obviously trying to get the manager sacked, but I think the manager. And also this is what happens and this is what I've said to you before. This is probably a little lesson for future pundits, right? It doesn't affect me in you. But people think it's really good to have a, being with people in the game. This is when it's a problem. So you see people like Pears Morgan and Real Ferdinand, they were big people in the media, whether you like them or not. Absolutely embarrassing themselves, but the nonsense that they're coming out with because they know Ronaldo and they want to get an interview with him and it's a bit like, "Oh my god no, you leave yourself nowhere to go." "Oh my god, you're such a sh*t." But you can know someone and you can try and look after them a bit, but you can't defend yourself. I've been in that position where it's all united towards the end when he was going to get sacked and I basically get hammered for not criticising him and you would polk him like crazy if you remember. Yeah, but you weren't going over the top region when it wasn't going well. No, but basically my view was, I'm never going to criticise all of them in the social, it's not going to happen because to be fair I think he's conducted himself with great class all the way through respect of whether he's winning games or losing games. I find it really really difficult with Cristiano because I actually love him to bits. He won't look. That's the normal guy I never cab you up. He won't love me to bits, but the rest of the matter is I can't sit there and see him but you're not in this second period doing what he was doing. And I can't see him make a statement like that and say Cristiano, that's really well done. You know what I mean, you're doing well, he has to be pulled up on that. He has to be told. By who? No, my point will be. That's the problem. He's not listening to me or you, he's not listening to me. But my point is that I can't sit here and say that I approve of that statement and think it was a good thing for him to do. It makes him more difficult to like. If you love him, it makes him more difficult to like. If you don't like him, he makes you dislike him even more. What I would say is it's not irretrievable. In another year when he's retired, we will look back upon his greatness and his football and people won't remember this ending. But to conduct himself the way in which he is going to need to do. Because in the next 35 years he's still going to have to appear. He's still going to have to do things. It's not my who you are. Whether you're messy, Ronaldo, we see his Latin now. You've got to do things you don't want to do. We see his Latin. I mean, we're sitting in with Michael. I'm in it. I mean, he's got a big touch that breaks down. I've been waiting for this before I've met him. No, I see some of the greatest players in the world. Rude Hullet, his Latin. Lolta Mateus. Tieri Henry. Yeah. Amazing players that you think they'll never be on television. They'll never be pundits. But you see them in the World Cup working for folks seeing on CBS. Some unbelievable players that you think, wow, I don't think I'd ever thought I'd see them on TV. But there might be a point in the future where Cristiano needs to do something. I don't think he'll go on TV and be a pundit. But he will have to do something. Because that adrenaline, that stimulus every single day means he either has to be a coach. He either has to be a businessman. He either has to be a pundit. He will have to appear on shows or do things. And I think you've got 35, 40 years left to your life to sort of navigate that thing. Everyone could just love. Everyone could love you universally. You don't need to be disliked. Why are you thinking of the greats? I was thinking about this. Why are you thinking of like, croif and marathoner and all that? You can't help 20, 30 years after the grade. You're smile or thinking, oh my god, they're a legend. And I just thought, I wonder what that'll be with Ronaldo. I think we will smile. We will, yeah. I hope you do, but you can't continue. Like that because most of the old time grades, you do remember them firmly, don't you? But this week, I think, to be fair, it didn't surprise me that Ronaldo was thinking that, because I think that's where he's at right now in his mind. I think when you've got a billion quid in the bank, I think when he was powerful as he is, I think when you've had the achievements and career that he's had, you feel you're unbreakable, you feel you're unstoppable, you think you can dictate to a federation or a manager what to say. I'm really happy the manager studies ground and did what he did. He wouldn't do something. He'd lost a lot of his soul if he'd gone out and read those eight things out. Everyone would have known it would have where it would have come from. So I'm glad he did what he did. I think it was the right thing to do. And yeah, let's see what I think. He wouldn't have done it 12 years ago, I don't think. I think where I'd disagree with you about Ronaldo any second phase at United is that he definitely was turning up first and leaving last. And I think when you look at him physically. How do you know? I know people at Old Trafford. I know that he was doing it. No, not like that. But I also think that what you can't take away from Ronaldo is that physically, and the length of his career, he obviously puts the work in. But he wouldn't have done this 12 years ago because he would have just gone. I'm still one of the best players in the world. I'm not going to get dropped by Portugal. I'll prove him a thing on the pitch. What we've got here is, and both of you probably know what it's all about. It's a guy coming towards the end of his career who's losing his power. And the only power he's got is the flex muscles and try and get a effort. Try and get a manager to say something ridiculous because he can't produce it on the pitch anymore. Whereas in the past, he wouldn't be in that position. And like you said, Messi goes out to a massive applause and respect. Ronaldo is tainting a legacy through his own doing. And that's very, very sad. And I think that he is struggling with retirement and he's struggling with losing that status visibly in front of his all. And I think it's sad to see. Because like you said, there's nobody there telling him, don't do that. Don't do that. And this is what happens when you're too powerful. We see it in politics. We see it with actors. We see it with Ronaldo. Where's your book and number one bestseller? I'm not sure. People are not wooly. He's just lit. He must be because of my mindset and more. He's just planted number one bestseller on the front of basically his book that I'll just wing it. Gary, 100% will be because mine was for a week. Second, I think, Kate, your price. Let's get into the Premier League. It's back. We spoke about international break. Let's talk about the Premier League. There's only one place to start and field on Sunday, Liverpool Man City. I want to get both your opinions now that they're just as settled on what punishment you'd give them. Because I know what I'd give them. But first of all, Liverpool on Sunday. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I want Liverpool to win. I want Liverpool to win because I think it's a win. I've got one worry about Sunday. is that if this was Klopp's Liverpool, they would drive them into the ground and literally finish them off in one day. They'd probably beat them through a funnel. I'm not sure this Liverpool team is because you're something. I was thinking this about the Cantonese return game against Liverpool that I played and I'm not saying it's similar but it feels like everybody's like sort of waiting for this game and we didn't turn up on the day. We were absolutely terrible Liverpool were far better than we would do to all in the end but I just wonder whether everybody from Liverpool on Sunday the players in particular I think everyone's with us, everyone wants us, everyone's wanting us doing because they are. Everyone wants like you know it's that element of sort of lion's den, isn't it? I just wonder where the Liverpool have actually got in them to be able to go and deal with them and carry you know with them better than me but I just I look at the Liverpool they are they're going to show up that lot because they need to show up. Did you play that game here where we are the centenary where you will sit here and we lost two just with just something Mark actually was speaking about yesterday because of this interview of Charlottesburg since 40th. I made a couple mistakes big mistakes against Liverpool in the Danny Murphy 1-0 games and I made big mistake in City Sean Gold to last game at Main Road. I sometimes didn't play very well and Rooney had the same problem with emotional games. United had a problem with emotional games. I don't think they've ever won unlike the 40th 50th 60th Munich anniversary. It's almost like that that that that weight of emotion and pride that you want to serve the fans well you know it's big and you don't turn up because you just got yourself into an emotional state and that's the thing about Liverpool on Sunday I think City will be quite cold in some ways. I just wonder whether Karry, do you ever have problems like that? Charlottes once said to me before a game where he had a part of this so he used to say that before Liverpool match. He said no this is the last fucking time I'm picking him in this fucking match. He said you make fucking mistakes every fucking time we play these fucking lot and he said what are you going to be doing tonight and I went I'll just go home having a Chinese boss you know what's that fucking panicking and whatever happens it was fucking the game of football you don't go have a Chinese tonight and I use that as a coping mechanism for the next 10 years playing football. Justin, what's the matter? What about the Chinese the bit and Justin, he's got to eat salt and pepper ribs. Justin, he batted me in the pre-match in the team talk. In front of the lads was I remember Giggsian's goal. He's having a right go at me. I'd made the mistake against gold. I'd made the mistakes in the Danny Murphy games where I'd been freaking cheap free kicks away and just not been right. And he said fucking obviously not I'll not pit you and he threatened ruining never to play against ever to another pool again. He said I'm not fucking pit on my side ever again. I just wonder whether that on Sunday might be a factor in the game. I actually worry a little bit that not so much did get to sort of emotionally wrapped up in it all whether they will be not up for it but I don't think it I always the type to sort of ramp it up before the game. I mean if I was I was thinking you know if I was the Liverpool manager and it was me I'd be thinking I'd be like saying there's plays in this just move missed out on to the titles. There's play this close you have another two or two really titles. It means a lot to these people or whatever it would be and I'd ramp up I think clopper-dramper I don't think it I own as that type and I'm not trying to go to when people sometimes say it and I know people don't like it if they think Liverpool supporters sort of you know get all emotional about the managers and what they want from a certain type of manager and it's not just on the pitch. Sometimes at times it needs to be off the pitch and I think this is one of those moments I think in the press conference before the game but you think go on say say you know but I'm not sure you know I want to will. I said this a couple days going on Michael Carrick's got a move we're obviously going out just at the time of Michael Carrick's going to be speaking. I hope Michael does a strong press conference he's gonna get asked a lot about this and the sort of what will be the safe bet is that he's done what the other six managers did yesterday which I saw you know it's not for me to make the decision. I get that I understand that's the right response but Michael you would have won extra league titles you were a man's uniting player so if you're not a man's uniting player I'd say look I'd let the authorities do it but I think Michael just needs to make sure he bites a little bit not bites he has to say something. I disagree with that Gary though because I disagree because I think that this is not from a legal point of view. This is not. Oh this is the policeman. This is the policeman. This is this is this is good friends. This is. I'm glad you're not doing every week. This is guilt though and I think too many people over the last two weeks have got locked into this well remember there's an appeal like if this was a criminal case and you get found guilty. You're on the front. You're on the front. We got that exactly where you need that. I'll have a bit of that as well. I think you're right. Carrick should come out. I'm not asking him to go basically against legal opinion. I'm not asking him to basically stick the knife into Manchester City. What I'm asking him to say is a man's uniting player. He understands the club well. He understands the passion of the fans. Man's uniting fans have been calling it out for a few years to be fair. Give them what he wants right. Honestly I'm not saying you should stick the knife in but just say look we're monitoring it very closely because it impacts us and it impacts our history. Just something like that. You're something that sort of says you've been directed because you are you're doing sky on. We don't get directed. Well we don't we don't we don't sky's corporate. What do you call me? Sky corporate so like that. You're now getting it. You're coming. So we're both coming. I think Andy Robertson said something on the international break and I thought I love Andy Robertson and I just went no you can't it was almost like are those players on the pitch they did. And I thought and honest to God if me and you were playing now and this affected those I know 100% just the type of 100% as I said no it's a disgrace. If I was playing 100% I would you would have been the same. You know Sir Alex. Sir Alex would have gone for them. He would have. Joe something. He would have said to us stay out of it. I'll deal with it. Yeah. He's even just to get a separate league race isn't it? Yeah. And I look I think Michael's just got a you know Josie did it well didn't he? Yeah. It's not enough for this anymore right? Why? He would did it two weeks ago didn't he? Yeah I think look to be fair I can understand why suit managers stay away from it. I can understand why suit managers are waiting for January February and waiting for the appeal. I understand that. I understand my clubs are sort of staying clear of it but I think if you're a manager and you're trying to talk to a fan base that all that age of every time you do an interview speaking to your fans. Yeah. And you've got to represent your fans and I think there is an element of obviously making sure you speak with sense but I think that yeah I think that I think I would like to think that we would say something that we would say look we're really interested in how this ends up because it impacts us. It impacts us. It impacts our club. And look at then the day we'll see what happens in three four months. There's nothing wrong with calling them cheats. If they get off with it on an appeal then we're all laughed at. We'll all have to go back on that. I've stayed clear using that. I've stayed clear using that word. I've said ultimately what they've been found guilty of is it you're right. It's financial doping. It's it's industrial scale wrong doing in respect of sort of cooking the books and you're right but it that words very inflammatory. You know what I mean I know you others have used it and I'm happy fielders to use it. It's like I've stopped saying bottle. Now because you say bottle now you got literally it's almost like you'll be careful you know what I mean. But you know why I use it. Beth Beth was on the fan debate with you the other day and she made a great point. She said when this started in 2009 I was seven. She's now in her mid-twenties. I feel I've been cheated of integrity and football for the last 17 years whether it's a Liverpool title or a United title. What the Premier League said is it's a sham. So what has we fans meant to do with the last 17 years? No I mean did they think that this thing and obviously we've seen the Premier Minister get involved in everyone saying oh you can't say not until the appeal. No you can't. If you found guilty and if they win the appeal they might. So what happens then can the Premier League say oh no no no we're having an appeal. So they are still guilty until late. When did these appeals stop? They got fan massively guilty on the like every charge. I mean they should be sucking the lawyer. No but the lawyer what's on about panic? No with panic. I mean honest to God because we have done any worse than 140, 250. What do you do what what do you do now though is put this in the mainstream on here. What are your thoughts on the rest of the season because if this takes six months I'm sort of if Man City beat Liverpool on Sunday and turn up and Ireland gets a hat trick and they're really good because they're a really good team. I'm sort of at the end of it going. I think I'm like going. I think it'll be very deep I think I think you're right it'll be very difficult to watch Man City win the league this year. I want it just psychologically for everybody for the game. I don't think the Premier League and I'll let this run to the end of the season because if Man City are holding that Premier League title up in May I think they'll be all all hell break loose. I think this will have to be dealt with by February March and I think they're going to have to do it. They have to let due process happen that that's fine. I think they're going to get off these charges so let's see what happens with that but there's no way you can get to the end of this season and see Man City win a title without a verdict have been a verdict being given. It has to be given by them. What would you have had a couple of weeks both of you? What would you give them now? Because I know what I'd do. I think I think it has to be over a period of time. It can't be a case of people saying I'll give them 80 or 100 points and then they get relegated. They win the championship of the year. I think I'm back and it's just and it's not about trying to kill the club and not like that. It's just that the fact of what they've done has gone on for so long. I think the punishment has to reflect that. So I think you're talking something over the three to five year period whether that's they go down to Lee 2. It is one option so you think they're okay. It'll take you three or four years to come back. Or it's a case of over three to five seasons to the start every season like a 25-30 point deduction. So you're almost putting them back to it also what they were before. That was when maybe they're mid-table Premier League club for four or five years and then you've got to try and build themselves back up but it can't be a case where it's just one season. You have to hate them really in terms of, you know, the players have to move on and they almost have to start again. I would say because it went on for so long and so many other teams are affected. That's what I don't disagree with. That's one facet of the actual sort of what would be punishment that's available obviously to people to do. Where are you at on the titles and where are you at on the ownership? I think the titles should be taken off them. For the period from 8-08 to 18 or beyond that as well. I think it's hard beyond that and I understand the argument with people saying well if they hadn't had done that before they wouldn't have done that afterwards I'd get that but I don't know. Listen, people clever enough clever than me will probably understand that a little bit more. Would you allocate them to Liverpool and say that's a Liverpool time? No particularly. It just doesn't. I won't want it as a fan as a united fan, I won't want the agrarian one. No, it just feels. I mean, maybe if this is my Liverpool bias coming out but Liverpool, when they say that should have gone to Liverpool, they would in a title race with City and they lose it by a point or two points. My argument is City had two or three extra players, that's what this money generates, that probably gets them over the line. But when you've got a situation where I think Josie finished 20 points behind him or 25 points behind that. Even though the second, it just doesn't feel, it doesn't stand around me. I must have missed that. That feels. That's why I'd stay away from it. I don't think it's a case of we've finished second, we get the leads. It's because it sort of went out the other day. Danny said I want my medal. You know, you're not quite sure. It's just thought of that with funny. But I must admit, I mean, it doesn't impact me at all. I'd retire by them, but I feel that I don't feel like awarding the titles is the answer to other clubs. I don't feel that's the answer, but maybe stripping the title is. 100%. And then the big one is the ownership. We have to go. The big one is the ownership and to be fair, Cara, you know, the big one is the ownership for the club for City and also for the. Oh, you want to keep it from Manchester, don't you? No, it's not. I would say it will be. They should be separate, by the way. The football punishment should be separate from the actual redevelopment, regeneration and the investment into the city and the sort of what will be the land that they've got over on that side. Why? They should be separate in terms of the football punishment shouldn't be impacted by this. That's the right thing. You shouldn't look, you shouldn't say, well, okay, well, they're doing a lot over it, so we'll not give them a lot of punishment over it. You have to look at it separately. Because I'm an owner in a director and I know the actual criteria for that test, it is a struggle, I think, for them to be able to keep their status. It's a struggle, because the owns and directors test is more strict than ever. You have to jump through hoops to become a director of a football club now, I don't know, and because that's right, you think go back to Barry, the people who ran that club who took it into the ground. There's never been anywhere near a football club and these are protected assets in the country. There are 92 of them that are in the league currently. You've got all the non league clubs. You should have to have a very high standing degree of what would be integrity to be an owner of a football club. So if you are criminally charged, if you are sort of found guilty of serious charges within football, it's very difficult to remain an owner of a football club in a director. Just is, that's just a statement of fact, that's not me offering an opinion. However, the colossal investment and current investments that they will have in Manchester, they would likely withdraw them. I would imagine it over a period of a year or two. I just imagine they would if they were to kicked out of the league. That will have an enormous impact. And I think that's where to be fair Andy Burnham was trying to go when he first started to deal with it. He will know obviously being the Mayor of GMC of Greater Manchester. He will understand the impact economically for the area if Manchester City's money was to be pulled out. And there's a lot of people talk about Manchester City's money over on that side of the city and they say, "Oh, they've been giving a good deal and they've been giving a free ride." I tell you what, if you went to East Manchester 15-20 years ago and said to any developer in Manchester or in this country, go and put a couple of billion quid into that, no one would have gone anywhere in near it. So what they've done by the way is unbelievable. And by the way, not a lot of people would have been queuing up to put money into that area. So let's be really clear about that. I know the city like the back of my hand. So the idea that people will say, "Oh, they've been giving a free ride, they've been giving. " That's absolute bullshit. You would not put your own money over that side of the city 20 years ago. So why have they put their own money into what was the reason? So basically, they've literally, I think, part of the deal of bringing them here to get this Commonwealth Games stadium to buy a football club was that as part of that, they basically encouraged them to put money into the wider regeneration, which I think most owners should have to do. If you said to me, "FsG, what should they have to do?" They should have to invest money into prefer. Look at what the Glazer family, we've been having the Glazer family car for the last five, six years. Not necessarily always on the pitch, more because they haven't regenerated the stadium, they haven't regenerated the train, they haven't put money into the local area around this stadium. That really is a problem for me. I think FsG should, I mean, they have put massive amounts of money into the pool stadium and they've made it a lot better and they should continue to build that area out around Amfield to make sure it's better economically for everybody. So owners have a responsibility, I think, to do that, to build out the wider piece, but it would have a devastating impact. This is just a statement of fact, this not me sticking up from about that. I think they're going to struggle to keep their ownership. I think the executives are going to be in big trouble because if it's the same test that I have to follow to be director and owner, they're going to fail it. Simple as that. However, I'm just letting you know, it would have a massive economic impact, a colossal impact on the city. But it isn't the whole point of them putting money in there, was that when it comes to a day like we've got now, it's almost like, oh, we do this. We do this for, yeah. It's almost like, I don't think that I do carrot, I don't want to. They must be put on massive pressure. No, carrot, I don't, I don't think I think they've thought that basically they probably would get away with this and they weren't doing anything wrong. Carr, we all thought when the 115 charges came out, they'll probably get 2025 and don't get away. We need to think they get 100 and 50 found guilty of 140 out of the 150. Now, but the point I'm trying to make is that when you're trying to look at FsG or the glaze and you're probably going to any ownership in this country, no one's probably done what they've done in terms of what they've done in the city. But the reason they've done it is to make sure that they get looked after if it goes wrong. That's the way I am. Look at the accusation of sports washing. Yeah, that's what it is. And they've got so much money because if they are, it got united. There's a lot of insatiable money coming to Manchester over the last 15, 20 years. Right, there's two ways to look at it. The coming into our city to exploit us. That's the first way of looking at it. That's the, that's the one way of looking at it. The way I look at it is they could choose to put their money, ask for the American money, ask for the Singaporean money. If they could choose any city, they could choose Munich, they could choose Merzyside, Liverpool, they could choose Sunderland, they could choose Bristol, they could choose Birmingham, they could choose Paris, they could choose anywhere to put these billions of pounds. They chose our city and we shouldn't, to be fair, ever think that that's something that ultimately isn't important. Managed it does thrive on investment from local people, but it thrives on investment from national people and international people. We know how the economy works here. So the reality of it is, the idea is that they come into exploit Manchester is one way of looking at it. The other way is they could have chosen Berlin. They could have chosen Everton as their club. They could have chosen Birmingham city as their club. They could have chosen Ashton Villa as their club. They could have chosen Liverpool at the time, probably 15 years ago. They got Liverpool. So my point is, I don't think we should just look at it and think, I don't think we should just look at it and think in that sort of what would be way that they've come over it and they've just exploited Manchester and that's what they were always doing. They could chose other cities to place their billions of pounds. They've got no affiliation to Manchester. No, I'm not saying they have it. They've come over and that's where it goes back to, those countries, the issues that come on over there, but they've chose a football club and then put money into that city. Could it be in anywhere I get that? But they haven't done it because they've got any link to Manchester City. So they've done it as like a pierce game for themselves from the very start and it's blew up in the face and now they're trying to use the fact that they've built a, you know, a, you know, a part of Manchester, you know, better than maybe struggling as well and they've built it up and it's something amazing. So obviously they then use that, when they're in a little bit of trouble and they're not a bit of trouble. And they must be, I just think this is going to grow arms and legs and the stuff will be coming out every day, not even the football stuff now with the politicians, different people, Manchester Government, they'd be trying to get favours, they'd be trying to get people to put pressure on the Premier League. And that's the whole point that they do. Mark, I think you've asked Kara what he thinks the punishment should be and he thinks he should be stripped of titles, he thinks he should have a multi-air punishment in terms of point and he thinks the owner should go. I completely agree with him. Would you kick him down the league, you know, self-admancing it? I think the multi-air punishment whether they're in mid-table Premier League or whether they're in lead to, I must admit, I'd be honest, I'm not into the idea of them in lead to league one, championship and backup. From what I hear from a city fan this morning that I was speaking to out in Manchester, they're going to all bring, they're all going to wear retro kits on some of the old kits and they're up and on. So they're going to go back to like the eight, say, look, we're willing to go back with our team. And I think it's a pretty good message from city fans say, we don't care, we love this club and we'll go back to how we were before if we need be. So I think, I mean, if they do that, well done to them. My view is the owners can't stay because I fill in the directs as an owner's test and I want to be fair there to be a consistency across the board in terms of how you are a direct to an owner of a football club. So the owners are going to struggle to stay on the executives. I think they should be stripped of the titles in the period from all eight to eight team whenever it was and I think they should have a multi-year points punishment. But I'm just going to need a contact. Would you rather than be, I think just from a selfish point of view on that we do TV, I almost think I'd rather them rather than go down the leagues. I think I'd probably rather them have like minus the 30 points of four years in the Premier League. It's all the stillest of the 40. I'm not fixated on being relegated because to be fair, I'm not for me to see a lot of people are there. But for me, I get that. City of Premier League Club and I want them to retest, I want these clubs to be in the Premier League. All I'm giving the context before of is I can understand why politicians, the Premier League, probably the regulator are looking at the impact of removing the owners and licenses and thinking this is off the scale if we do this and they'll be nervous. I'm going to be a context of what this will mean just generally for a football club for a city for an east side of Manchester it will be it will be a it will be horrific in terms of economic impact. So I'm not saying that we should you know I have to have said what I think punishment should be but I can see why politicians leagues regulators are going to be thinking this is a nightmare. This is a nightmare for us. This is a nightmare. It's a big problem. Look what happened to Scottish football when they threw Rangers down. Everybody wanted it to happen and then it suddenly like there's no Rangers Celtic. I agree with you I think with if you give a 30 point deduction it makes it interesting for all of us they're not going to win the league. They might not get in the Champions League. Well they might get the Champions League. They also like what happens with players that go Erling Hall and well I'm not going to play in the Champions League I'm going to leave. Then suddenly you might get relegated and they'll tell you what if you get relegated in year three with a 30 points deduction when you come back you still got two more years of it. Given five years of a 30 point deduction don't destroy Manchester City. Fans are innocent and also they broke the rules. I don't agree with the rules. I fundamentally don't agree with the rules and that's not an argument because they broke the rules but I don't like the fact that Brentford, Brighton, Everton cannot join the state as quown when the league they fought for the rules. You made the point that basically they want to stop other teams. I'm actually in complete agreement with Manchester City that they should be able to. What Blackburn did with Jack Walker by spending that money and going win the Premier League? Manchester City should have been allowed to do in my opinion. I don't like the rules. Manchester City would have been better saying I'm not voting for the rules but they did and tried to close the door behind them. So I'm not voting for the rules. I'm challenging the elites. I'm taking them on in 2008-1911 whenever it was. I'm going to carry on spending my money. I'm going to break the rules. I'm going to challenge these a lot who are trying to stop us and I'm going to fight them in court because it's basically restriction of spending money. If I want to spend money tomorrow in Hule, if I want to spend £3 billion tomorrow in Hule and take it into ultimate different territories, the owners can. You can make that gamble in football. You can't. You're restricted on what you can spend. Now, we know the reasons why so that there's controls in the game. So I get it. And there are controls in American sport and different sports in different countries. But I actually disagree with the rules. So I would have had more probably sort of sympathy and compassion for City. If they'd not voted for the rules, if they'd challenged the status quo of basically clubs being where they are, spend the money on it and basically fought the league every single year. I think a lot of people would have come with them and said, yeah, because Newcastle in the same position, Villa in the same position, Everton might be in the other clubs are in the same position. They could have made this argument completely different, I think. I think there's a lot of the game with them. They would certainly 50% of them. But if they'd have said, so they adamant they'd done that wrong. If they'd have said, you know what? Yeah, we did. But as our owners, we're pumping money in to Manchester. We're pumping money into the Premier League. The Glazers are taking it out. How can we compete? If they'd have held it and said, yeah, we did, we tried to do this. We tried to do that. We'll take our punishment, put these wrong. I think there's a total of a lot of people with them. But I think they're going to drag the game down with them. And that's why I think they have to go. Because I think because they're so powerful, they're so rich, they've never been told now. And this is an embarrassment for them because they've bought this club as a PR scheme and they've got to keep fighting. And we all know it. We've all been in situations where you think, I've gone this far, I've got to keep going. I can't go back now. So it's like they can't go back. So they're going to have to keep going. If they lose the appearance, I think they will. They'll still say, oh, the Premier League get against it. And what they'll end up doing is they'll just keep this going for years and years and years. And they'll be such negativity around. And see, that's why I feel like these have to go and then sit you almost start again as a club. Because I think even if they want anything in the future, they'd still have that sort of stain of the owners there. And I just don't think they're ever going to back down or say they did anything wrong. What I can't believe is, or what I find funny, what I think of like the top people. Now we all think, listen, they've got foul guilty. People who've said, are they guilty? They've got foul guilty. They're appealing it. But when they speak to the players, when they come back and they have, you know, we've done nothing wrong, we've done, just they go back and savour it and cover, say, you know, like, sorry, I know what's the, I don't know back. Do you think they all got, do you think we blagged them? Do you think, do you think they believe us? No, no, no. They will snore in the room. What did they've done? No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, come on. No, I think they genuinely believe that they found a way. So basically, what they'll say is that Manchinite's shirt deal at that time by Chevrolet was £60 million. I'm making it up. £60 million a year. We can have a deal at £60 million a year. And basically, that's what they've thought. They can, they can rather than put on a funding in which they're not allowed to do, which they should have been allowed to do up to the level of Manchinite. They just matched Manchinite and Real Madrid's sponsorship deals. They're just seeing what they're at. They're like, okay, we can sponsor our club for that. We can put a naming rights deal on that's massive money. And they've just driven the revenues up that way, basically. What do you mean? They know they can, do they? No, what I'm saying to you is that I think that they feel like that ultimately, if Etihad or if Abu Dhabi telecoms want to spend £60 million on a shirt deal, what's wrong with that? Because basically, Manchinite has got someone spending that money and we're a massive club and we've got Pep Guardiola. You've got an email and you should have told him. That's, that's the problem. That was clumsy. That was clumsy. There's definite similarities between Manchinite's behaviour and Ronaldo's, isn't it? It's almost like it's this just arrogance of like, you know, we said this in Super League, they got off scot-free after Super League. The six zones of the clubs that to be fair were basically going to go into Super League and destroy the ethos of the game in this country forever if they got away with that. If that had happened, you know, it was never going to happen. If that would have happened, it would destroy English football forever, but also Dutch football, French football, Italian football, Spanish football, they try to run away with the crown jewels. They've got £11 million each. When you've got billionaire Meglomaniax, basically running football clubs that have never been told no because they're so successful, you're always going to have this greed and selfishness and this has been, this goes to Big Picture, Project Big Picture, this goes to Super League, this goes to this now. You have got a situation whereby you've got the most successful business people in the world, now coming into media, they're now coming into politics, they're now coming into sport and they're literally hovering over everything and everybody. And that's where we're at. Let's take you back to football. Man United Spurs, 530, what about, because the pressure up until that Friday, two weeks ago, was all about Man United, the running stats, the fact that they'd not running that game against full of all the sudden, Man United and Tottenham, which was actually a game that I'm frightened to death about, by the way, I was two and a half weeks ago, now everything's gone to city Liverpool. I think it's my. You're frightened that United will lose or you're frightened of what a lot would mean. I'm frightened of what a lot would mean on Saturday at Old Trafford, but to be fair, I think a lot of the city stuff has almost pulled away from the United story that was emerging, that just generally they're not running, they haven't. I think, look, if they lose on Saturday, there'll still be a problem and they'll make the headlines, but still I think everybody's looking to that game. This game on Sunday now consumes everything this weekend it feels like. It transcends football. It does. It's almost like it's captured everything in the country and globally, do you know what I mean? It's literally consumed everybody in Liverpool and City. So, even if United and Tottenham on Saturday, let's say United were to lose that game, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it did, I think it would almost still be a bit less serious than it would have been three weeks ago. I thought you'd think. But it will change very quickly because it's Manchester United and I don't know if you've got the following weekend, but you've got a letter one with you to wear, not leads away. Yeah, leads away. Two. I do my newspaper call once comes out this morning. I haven't mentioned it yet on this show. I thought you might have mentioned it. It's in the telegraph. Jamie Carriger writes for the telegraph. Yeah, he's writing for the mail. What was the headline, Gary? What was on there? You can ignore them or something. What was it? What was it? You're thinking about, like, hated a door. Hated a door, or something like that. Yeah, my, my, something like that. Right, moving on from that. Can I do it? But I did the newspaper column. And sometimes when you're doing a newspaper column, you think I'm also going to cover that you're going to do. And you think, you're trying to get ahead of a story, if I'm being totally honest, you think, can I say something now that maybe people will be saying in a week? And I looked at United's week when they played City, Brighton midweek, I'm full on. I thought, I just thought, I thought they lose the city. Not in those seconds, but I thought they'll probably lose the city. Brighton at home in the cup is one of those games that people think you should win, but it's a tough game. They end up losing. The bad thing about that. So I did it on them and the city one saying, this is a massive week going into the international break. If it doesn't go well for Michael Carrick, Lord be the talk. Now that's become, as we've mentioned, City. But I just feel like this is another massive week. It just feels like we're character, these weeks now we're thinking, this could be a bad one. I think he's technically safe, I do. I saw your tweet or post about it. And I think you've got a bit of a stick for it, you know, because it was a little bit sort of like Carrick's not the right guy for you and I to do something along those right lines. But it's been totally misconstrued what I said, because that's what happens on social media. I've actually defended Michael Carrick. I've actually said he should have got the job. I actually think he should stay in the job to the end of the season. i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn'm. I'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn teisiau. I'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yw. I'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yn mewn i'r pwynt yw. Mae'n gweith i'n gweithio yw'n gweithio i'n gweithio yn gweithio ac mae'n gweithio i'n gweithio yw'n gweithio yw'n gweithio yw'n gweithio yw'n gweithio yw'n gweithio yw' Mae'n hynny, mae'n hynny'n hynny'n hynny'n hynny'n hynny'n hynny'n hynny' Mae'n gweld yn gweithio bod mae'n gweithio'r ddod. Mae'n gweithio'r ddod yn gweithio'r ddod yn gweithio'r ddod yn gweithio'r ddod yn gwe a'r ymwch chi'n gwneud i'n gweithio'r ymwch chi'n gwneud i'n gweithio. Mae'r ymwch chi'n gwneud i'n gweithio. - Who is another manager? - Venger. - Venger. - As the vendor. - As the vendor. - Venger is a great example. - A Michael Carrick can't be something he's not. He was like that as a football. There wasn't even a camp, it was controlled. He wasn't really keen to take a football or so. I agree with you sometimes, you want things from your manager and I mention that before about, here I only, in terms of what will you be like in the press conference. - You're after him already. Do you only mention that he's after him already? - No, I'm just saying they can't. They can't be something they're not. - I like your area, I think it's a good place. - No, I do. - What I'm saying is they can't be something they're not. You know, what's not an act. And so Michael Carrick and he starts, I always remember, getting potter. I tell you, and I think what we're saying here is Michael Carrick there, wouldn't I? - No, but I think that was sort of leveled to him. There wasn't no choice. - Yeah, the passion. - Yeah, and he started doing it a little bit. I remember there was something about, he swore in a press conference, I thought. - Yeah, yeah. - It just didn't feel like him. It wasn't, it didn't feel real. It felt fake. - You pick upon it as players though, because one thing we don't know as fans is that, when your manager walks out and you've had a bad performance and he goes, I can't be unhappy with the players, they've put it in. - But you then sit on the train or the bus and go, but we're all right. - But Justin, I'm thinking back to my, I'm thinking back to my four months in Valencia and how I was, I was just something. I literally lived a life of four months, me in the sense that as a football player, everything was about tenacity, everything was about aggression, everything was about sort of making sure that we were organised and we're disciplined and we run out. And I try to be this coach on the touch line that sort of like probably was trying to copy other coaches of maybe that I'd thought would look the right way. And I wasn't myself, I should've just been in that technical area. Probably more like a tattoo, more like Conte, probably screaming at everybody. And be more like a simuloni, 'cause that's my character. And I wasn't, I was sat there and I was like a baby. I was like a baby, you know what I mean? It's like I'm just sat there in that technical area. And I think, was that also to come down to school when you think you're like a experience? Someone said, you don't know what you're like. You just could be coming to this and you don't, what am I supposed to do? And that's sort of the lane and maybe if you're coaching Manchester United's Reserve, or something like that, you're picking things up, how you want to be in a technical area. I put in my commentary with Skye. People think probably I joined Skye 2011 season. I didn't do a big game till literally, that was sort of August. I didn't do a big game till February March, eight months later. Because the first six, seven months, I was absolutely useless. I was trying to copy of the commentary, as I was rigid, I was a bit stiff, I was, I was even on Monday night. Football, I was sweating. I'm gans were everywhere. And I remember, I remember, I did a game. I did a game, I did Astonville, I mean, Astonville, I managed to sit here. And to be fair, it was a bit of a nothing game on a Sunday. I think it's like two o'clock, kick off. It was the two o'clock, all the four, I can't remember. And I remember the producer, ring me, Scott who works with us here now in the overlap. And you went, I think he was on the brink of almost pulling me out because he said, Gary, you don't have to start fucking going for it. You don't have to start fucking going for it. He said, just be yourself. Just be yourself like you are off-cam. And I started bringing in, I started just being a fan, really. The goal got him came a month later. Oh, 'cause that's my, when I'm watching the game, football and I see some, I react. And I started being that person on the commentary, all of a sudden I felt free. It's true as a manager, I was like, it's sat there in that, I stood there in that technical area. I remember Phil. Fifth goal went in against Barcelona. I sat down on the bench. Guys, you're gonna have to get out there. You better go stand on the table. (laughing) Phil, pop me up there on the table. And I was stood there in the fucking. Just about, I thought, oh my, I stood there in the technical area like this. Yeah. It's like, don't want to go so far, I can't go back now. (laughing) What would you know? I don't know, I'm gonna lose you five. Then without a turn, man. They've got Messi, Suara's a name-ar. And I tell you what, they look quick. (laughing) Jeez, look, look at that. And he's like, how is that game, wasn't it? Yeah, out your comfort zone like you wouldn't believe. But it's true until you're just being yourself's important. And Michael's never gonna be. He's never gonna be. He's never gonna be Strelix Ferguson. He's never gonna be Klopp. He's never gonna be Pep Guadalor or Conte Amrini. He's just not that character himself. Yeah. Any other games you're looking forward to this weekend? Are you ready? I'm doing. Yeah, what's the Arsenal game? I'm being watched along with that, on Out Black Daily. Yeah, Liverpool Manchester. Yeah, that's a lot of different channel. We don't watch that video. That's on this channel. Oh, would you do that on your channel? Yeah. Yeah. You got Simmar? If you're Simmar, it's watch-along. No, but I thought you just did the man United stuff, not. No, no. I'm doing my near. Well, we've changed the name now. Yeah, I'm being sold out. No, we. Wow. Liverpool Man City, Liverpool. LAUGHTER What do you mean, that's. No, no, no, no. No, no. I remember that Ricky Javese. He's just got some dollars out there. Yeah, Eric, give him his cash. He's got cash. Give him your cash. It's in me cold pocket. Give him your cash. No, wait. He's the fraud. LAUGHTER I remember that age for his episode. Have you seen it with Ricky Javese, where David Bowie does the song, and he goes, "I feel I've sold out with Man." You know, and he writes this song about him. Because he's written a sitcom, which has got gimmicks and everything like that, and it. I don't understand the sold out thing. Maybe you can explain it to me. I don't understand it. Because, like. I'm sat with you. I'm sat with you. Still doing my watch-alongs. Still saying what I want to say. I mean, if anything, that's. You know, it should be promotion, isn't it? Rewarded. Rewarded, yeah. No, I've got a big weekend now. Yeah. Man, he'd like to top them with a bull city. Big games, am I, aren't they? Yeah. Funders league it tonight. You wear a few quid for hotel football? LAUGHTER Oh, there'd be a bit of cash coming across the till. Oh, yeah. Oh, the bear. It's not about that, James, aren't you? Are you doing a Q&A before the game? No, no. No, do you know what I'm doing before the game? Do you know what I do at three o'clock, and I sat the before a five o'clock, five thirty game, don't you? Watch Shalford. I watch Shalford on my eye. Top of the league. I watch Shalford on my eye pad on the gantry. I get up there at three o'clock. I'm a pack of crisps. I'm a chocolate bar. I'm a couple bottles of water. I have my eye pad on. And you know something, usually it's Rob Hawthorne. I sat there, it sits next to me, and we watch Shalford. Rob prepares a little bit for the game, obviously, because he has to. I get the team, so I have a little look who's playing, and then literally I watch the game until five to five. I literally watch Shalford. And then switch on for the game then. What do you do if you need, like, in the winter, if you need to piss on the gantry? Oh, that is amazing. You need some problems. I take the worst place in the world for that, although to be fair, I've not been for two years, because they banned me. If you're at forest, and you're on the gantry, and you're on the gantry, you can't get to a toilet. But City, Anfield, Liverpool, Arsenal. You just walk out into the concoct with the fans. You just walk out the concoct with Arsenal fans. Oh, it'll be still Rob and the game's going on. Oh, the game's going on, the game's going on, the game's going on. I know, we're not five, though. I know, but we can monitor it, we can monitor it. We can monitor it, we can go to the toilet for a little bit. You don't go around half time, the toilet. Kara, at Liverpool and City in Arsenal, I will jump up and go to the toilet at half time into the concoct. We deliver Liverpool fans with Arsenal. I put my hood up, and I'll literally go in, and I always wait for that moment with my hood up when you're at the toilet. I'm thinking some Liverpool fans or some safe fans are just going to throw my dick at me. I just always think that's going to happen, but we have security with us now, don't we? Yeah, much needed. OK, welcome to Six of the Best. Bought you by Super Six. This is the debut of the O Black Dabley, so we're going to be discussing the six best Premier League debuts. I think some of these might be up for debate as well. Right, without looking at that, without looking at that, can I just name a couple that stand out for me straight away? Max Dalman, just because he was 15, I just thought he was unbelievable, just to see someone playing at 15 and light in the Premier League. I remember a debut as a fan. I watched Tony Cotty score a hat trick on his debut for Everton. In 1988 against Newcastle. Ever on one phone, Il Graham Sharp got the other one, Cotty scored a hat trick. Scored after about 30 seconds of the game. What was your debut? I scored. Or on my full debut. First game I played, I came on at Middlesbrough away in a carabal coat or carling cup game. I remember until weekly to start in the Premier League and scored. That's where I'm feeling in Sustonville, yeah. What was your debut, Gary? My first full debut was the '94 last game this season. We'd already won the league and we were getting ready for the FA Cup Final, a week after, and we had a game at All Trafficking's Coventry in the Premier League. Brian Robson's last game ever for the club. My full debut for the club, and obviously the week after that, they went and won the double. Is that All Trafficking? All Trafficking. Won the David Boost one. No, that was later. Well, I played in the Roode Vanista Roy one here. It was a bad day for me. That was the first game in the season. I played centre back with Yapp Stam. I got subbed, I think, at half time. They absolutely batted us. It was Louis Borne Morty in Saha, and they killed about two, three and won the balance in the championship and in the Premier League. And we won three, two, but, honestly, Rude was sensational. I was on the bench, I was on the bench in that game. There was an early game. Really great. The first time I was on the bench for Liverpool. You're in the dressing room, aren't you, I don't preseason, but you're in the dressing room with the players, Ronny Marin and all that. And I always remember Mark Reith after the game, because everyone's fuming, because we haven't won. So Middlesbrick, it says, they come from behind three times. So, Mark Reith comes in, and someone said something about Bravinelli. He went and Mark Reith, but he never heard us, but he went, like, just taking the game over. And he's got a fucking tray. You know, Ronny Marin, you know what I mean? Just a little sticks at me, man. Let's go through the men. We've got Erling Harland, West Ham against Man City 2-0, scored both goals on his Premier League debut, later broke the Premier League record with 36. Got Rashford against Arsenal 3-2. This is his Premier League debut, obviously. Was that Louis Van Halg? Give him his debut. Yeah, scored twice against Michelin de Neuropa League a few days before that, but also scored twice and against Arsenal. A Guero. 4-0 against Swansea in 2011 scored with 9 minutes of coming on, he came off the bench to do that. Vanessa Ray mentioned 3-2 against Fullham scored twice as well. Klingesman against Spurs against Sheffield Wednesday 94 scored the 4th and then Ravanelli as Jamie mentioned 3-3. I think that's what she should be there for the Liverpool goal. Are we choosing the best there? Yeah, we've got to choose the best. I think Max Downman should be in there, just I think that was sensational for me, just the 15-year-old coming on in the Premier League in the modern day. I think there's probably about 20 debuts better than one of them in there. You can choose someone after you use these. I'd go Marciel against Liverpool, came off the bench. How's the good one here? What do you think that's the best debut? It wasn't a good debut, it's a very good one. It's just scored a hat trick. Well, Ravanelli scored there. Ravanelli, fierce game in English football, hat trick. Did you see that picture of Ravanelli the other day? It was Janinho. He looked, because he's obviously got so bright, didn't look like an agent. So, Janinho looked like an ad ad paper. I think a Gweryl's, because I remember it doing Monday Night Football, and we made a big build up, and it was a point where you thought Citi is starting to get pretty good. And I just thought, Joseph, is he the real deal? And he just, the way in which he moved, and the way in which he hit the bar, thought, "Oh, that's not good for us." Do you think that's not good for you or do you think that's not good for you? Can we pick a man's Citi one after what we've spoken of to the top of the show? Yeah, it's the top of the sheet, isn't it? Danny Rose. Swansea, Swansea should get the points back. In the Northland and Derby, it's like a 40-hour bonus. - Oh, yeah, remember that. - You must go on it. - Let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go on it at the top. I want Max Downman in there because I think the 15-year-old playing the Premier League in 2026 is unbelievable. The physical advances in football now to get a 15-year-old in the actual Premier League is unbelievable. - Do you want to mention Downman again? - Well, where are we putting him? 'Cause you've got to take some tests. - I'm not that interested in it. - In the Downman one. - Oh, I'm not saying that. - Yeah, 15-year-old playing in the Premier League. - He's cool. - Nobody's just in his team. - Oh, well, he can't put it. - He put the cross in there for the assist. Did he? - Was this against Everton? - I was at the end of last year, you know. - I was at the end of last year, Harry. - I think he'll get milk in it a bit. - Okay. - Let the comments decide. - Well, I think a 15-year-old playing in the Premier League. Just something, the best thing to do is think of a 15-year-old that you know. My daughter was 15 at that time. Just doing the GCSEs and I'm thinking. - Have you seen Lecarco at 15? (laughing) - I'm just saying it can't happen. You can't get. - But I get it. - You want a penalty on his debut, don't you? - You want a penalty on his debut. - 15 years of age. - Harry wants to put down an inn. I'd put Marcel in. You're going well. - I'm going well. - You get it, because it's actually the inn. - It's all right. - These Fernando Torres have a good debut. - It's the second game. - Is it? - It's the Chelsea one. That was his aunt for your debut, okay. - Yeah. Yes, yeah. Michael Oonsky organ is Premier League debut. There's got to be something a bit special, isn't it? I'll tell you what, cheaters. - You cast something. - No. - Blackburn. - Blackburn, a way of crisper. Southampton. - No, no. - It was match. - But Rune is going to be fun. - Rune is going to be fun. - Rune is going to be fun to match. - It's going to be fun to match. It's going to be fun to match. Rune is going to be fun to match. - Rune is going to be fun to match.