HPI 01 - Begin at the End - An Introduction to Philosophy in India
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The podcast introduces the philosophy of India as a distinct, ancient tradition that developed independently of Greek thought, yet shares core philosophical methods such as argumentation, metaphysical inquiry, and self-examination. Central to Indian philosophy is the idea that understanding the self leads to knowledge of the world, as expressed in the Upanishads’ call to reflect on one’s inner being. Key texts like Nagarjuna’s *Vigrahavyāvartani* reveal sophisticated philosophical debates, including self-refutation and critiques of reality, demonstrating a structure comparable to European philosophy. Unlike Western models, Indian philosophy locates the highest good not in worldly success, but in the taming of the self through restraint, equanimity, and self-control. This is exemplified in the *Shanti Parvan*, which describes the ideal life as one free from greed, anger, and desire—though such a state is presented not as a simple escape from life, but as a spiritual practice that fosters wisdom. The ideal states of liberation (like moksha or nirvana) are often described negatively to emphasize their unattainability, suggesting they serve as tools for reevaluating desires rather than as literal goals. The podcast challenges Western assumptions by showing that Indian philosophy is not a foreign or derivative tradition, but a deeply rooted, practical, and holistic way of engaging with life and knowledge. It invites deeper comparison and reflection on what philosophy truly means across cultures, emphasizing that its purpose may be embedded in ethical living rather than abstract theorizing. Future episodes will provide a broader historical context for Indian philosophical development.
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Hello and welcome to the history of philosophy in India, by Janardin Ganari and me, Peter
Adamson, fraught you with the support of the King's College of Philosophy Department
and the LMU in Munich, online at www.historyofilosophy.net.
Today's episode begin at the end, introduction to Indian philosophy.
It is oneself which one should see and hear and on which one should reflect and concentrate,
for by seeing and hearing oneself and by reflecting and concentrating on oneself
one gains the knowledge of this whole world.
In these lines of the Brajhad-Aranyaka or Great Forest, Upanishad, we are invited,
even exorded, to philosophise. We are promised that an examination of the Self or Atman
will lead ultimately to an understanding of all things.
Either here nor anywhere else in the Upanishads do we find the word "philosophy".
No surprise there, the word "philosophia" is ancient Greek.
Accordingly, historians of philosophy mostly restrict their attention to the intellectual
traditions that can be traced back to the Greeks. Philosophy was born with the Presacratics,
reached maturity with Plato and Aristotle and then was inherited by the Romans, the Medievals,
and the moderns. It has been pursued more or less without interruption for the past two and a
half millennia in Europe. This is what people mean when they talk about "western philosophy".
Yet, the word "philosophy" was also known to the Islamic world, where the so-called "philosifa"
thought of themselves as engaging in the enterprise begun by the Greeks.
They presented themselves as the successors of Plato and Aristotle, even when they lived far from
Europe. The greatest philosopher of the Islamic world was Avacena, and he held from modern-day
Afghanistan, which hardly makes him a western philosopher. It is this broader story, the story of
philosophy among cultures that used the word "philosophy" that has been explored so far in
the history of philosophy podcast. In the almost 250 episodes to appear so far,
the ideas of thinkers from ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, the Islamic world, and Medieval
Christendom have been explored without any gaps. And that story is continuing.
But in this series of episodes, we'll be looking at a tradition of philosophy that arose
independently of the Greeks' philosophy. We'll be looking at the philosophy of India.
For this purpose, I've teamed up with expert Janardin Ganari, who, like me, is a professor of
philosophy, and unlike me, is the author of numerous books on Indian thought. We've divided the
labor with each of us bringing something to the podcast series. While Janardin has detailed
knowledge of Indian thought, I have a microphone, and it's my voice you'll be hearing in the episodes
to come. We've written the podcast together, but the silent partner Janardin deserves most of the
credit for what you'll be hearing. He's taken the lead in deciding what we should cover,
and has usually written the first draft of each script. The episodes are also going to be appearing
on a separate feed and have their own numbering. This is so that you won't have to deal with a
confusing mixture of episodes on European medieval and classical Indian thought. In the future,
my hope is to use this second feed for further podcasts on other cultures where philosophy arose
independently, including Africa and China. Still, despite these differences of authorship and
presentation, the series on India forms a part of the larger series that is the history of philosophy
podcast. It's not a spin-off or an afterthought, but an attempt to show that beginning in antiquity
India has been the home of a great philosophical tradition, whose importance complexity and subtlety
can compare with anything that's so-called Western philosophy has to offer.
You might already be wondering, though, whether it really makes sense to speak of philosophy
in this context if Indian thinkers were not responding to the Greek tradition of philosophy.
To this, my answer would be twofold. First, don't let Janardin hear you say that.
He makes his living off this Indian philosophy business and you wouldn't like him when he's angry.
And second, India has produced literature bearing all the hallmarks of philosophy as it is
standardly understood. We'll be discussing material of philosophical interest in text as early
as the Vedic writings, especially in the Upanishads, but it's easier to make the point with works
that come along somewhat later. Consider the case of the Vigrahavya Varthani, or refutation of my
opponents, written by the radical Buddhist thinker Nagarjuna in the second century AD.
The title promises arguments and arguments are what you get. Nagarjuna wants to defend his trademark
view that nothing has Svabhava, meaning independent reality. Rather, all things are dependent and
relative, or as he would say, empty. In a technique as fundamental to Indian philosophy as to the
procedures of the medieval universities of Europe, Nagarjuna sets out criticisms of his own
position and then responds to them. His imagined opponent tries one of the oldest tricks in the
philosopher's book, which is to show that Nagarjuna will refute his theory simply by trying to state it.
When Nagarjuna says nothing has independent reality, the opponent asks what status this very
statement has. After all, if nothing has independent reality, then neither can this statement,
so the statement itself is empty. But if it is empty, then it makes no positive assertion at all.
The opponent anticipates that Nagarjuna might say that the statement is purely negative
since it is a mere denial of existence. But this will not work, since even a denial of existence
must itself be something existent. To all this, Nagarjuna responds by insisting that his
statement is not a thesis or proposal of any kind, either negative or positive. He compares the
situation to that of an unreal magical being trying to block the action of another unreal magical being.
In a future episode, we'll get into the question of what sense if any Nagarjuna's response might
make. For now, the point is that this is all indisputably philosophy and of a broadly familiar kind.
We have a realist pitted against a skeptic. We have accusations of self-refutation from the realist
side. We have the skeptic making careful distinctions between different kinds of speech act and even
inventing creative analogies to bolster his case. More generally, we find that Indian thought
investigates pretty well all the areas and problems central to the history of philosophy as the Greeks
conceived it. There are attempts to articulate the foundations of knowledge and to reduce metaphysical
reality to a few fundamental kinds of entity, or in Nagarjuna's case, to know fundamental kind of
entity at all. We find arguments for atomism and for conceptions of time and space. Indian
thinkers make developments in logic and present theories of ethics and political legitimacy.
The upshot is that, far from wondering whether there is anything in Indian thought that corresponds
to so-called "western" philosophy, it is often tempting to draw detailed comparisons between
individual and Indian thinkers and specific philosophers of Greece or later traditions.
Again, Nagarjuna would provide a striking example. He is reminiscent of the equally radical and
methodologically strupulous "sextus empiricus", a Greek thinker who also lived in the second
century AD. Another obvious parallel and one frequently drawn by scholars compares the pleasure
loving materialist Chattava Kha, school to the Epicureans. Such resonances may of course be no
coincidence. Didn't Alexander the Great bring his army as far as India? And aren't we told that
Greek philosophers like Piro, the original Greek skeptic and inspiration for "sextus empiricus"
traveled east in search of wisdom? The prospect of mutual interaction and influence is in a
luring one, but for the most part we're going to avoid making constant illusions to philosophy in
Europe. Instead we'll focus on Indian thought as an objective study in its own right. After all,
what influence there may have been between these traditions is usually said to flow west,
with Indian thought inspiring Piro or subsequent Greek philosophers like Platinus,
to say nothing of much later figures like Schopenhauer. So, apart from a later episode on the
influence of Indian thought in the European sphere, we'll be talking about the Indians on their
own terms, with only very occasional comparisons or contrasts to the figures and ideas known to
long-time listeners of the history of philosophy podcast. Though its themes and even some of its
specific arguments would be at home in philosophy, as it is familiar to us from the European traditions,
we should also be open to the idea that the Indian tradition may challenge and expand our
notion of what philosophy is and could be. Think again about that Upanishadic exhortation to
reflect on the self in order to know the world. What conception of the self and the world does
that imply? What conception of philosophy and its potential? The Upanishads do not recommend idle
theoretical speculation or technical virtuosity for its own sake. Nor were such abstract goals the
driving force in later periods. Even Nagarjuna's radical skepticism was offered as a means to achieve
the core Buddhist goal of avoiding suffering. For Buddhists, the good life is one of detachment
from worldly things, and what could lead to detachment from things better than coming
to see them as unreal.
That there is a highest good, that this good is a way of living, a kind of human flourishing,
and that practicing philosophy is a constitutive part of it, something embedded in the good
life.
This is not what students are typically told on the first day they show up to study philosophy
at modern universities.
Yet, this tendency may bring Indian philosophy closer to the roots of European philosophy,
not further away.
Ancient philosophy begins at the end, or at least with a conception of what our end might
be.
Aristotle called it "artilos", the final ant, the goal, the purpose of life itself.
The French scholars Michel Foucault and Pierre Adot have proposed that the Greeks saw philosophy
itself as a way of life built around what Adot has called "spiritual exercises".
As the athlete embarks on a training regime, or an invalid takes medicine in hopes of returning
to bodily health, so the person in search of wisdom undertakes philosophy, his or her
goal being the health of the soul or of the self.
Our opening quote from the Upanishads suggests that this idea had some currency in ancient
India.
If you want to achieve wisdom, it tells us, then begin by reflecting upon your own self.
And there is plenty of confirmation in other Indian philosophical literature.
For now we'll discuss just one example in more detail, a discussion of the ends of human
life, which is found tucked away in four chapters of the Shanti Paravan, or Book of Peace.
This is a voluminous work of philosophical reflection found within the even more voluminous
Hindu epic, the Mahabharata.
The Book of Peace attempts to integrate general ethical insights into the moral framework
of the ethic, so there is good reason to think that it reflects values that were widely shared
in ancient Indian culture.
At one point, the Book of Peace poses the question, "What is the highest good?"
Its answer is direct and unequivocal.
The highest good is the taming of the self.
We must subdue and pacify the self's inclination to reach out to things that are external to
it, where external means both physically exterior and also outside of one's influence.
So the taming in question is a pulling back, a drawing in, a restraint.
Here one might think of a metaphor found in the Bhagavad-gita, or "som of the Lord",
another part of the Mahabharata, which tells us to withdraw one's senses as a tortoise
withdraws its limbs.
Taming the self is a form of self-control.
It means replacing fear, anger, and envy with a profound steadiness of mind, with imperturbility
in the face of either pain or pleasure.
When we reach out to things outside the self, we are motivated by greed, by a wish to
obtain things that are in fact beyond our control.
Thwarted desire and anger are the inevitable results.
But with one greed in check, one lives the life of wise conduct, fearless in the face
of death, greeting both pleasure and pain with equanimity, delighting in no acquisition
and pain by no loss.
To ask what would be the point of such a life is, it's self-pointless.
There is no further goal for such a life such as wealth or fame, because living well
is its own reward.
Isn't this ethics of restraint opposed to the sentiment we found in the Upanishads?
There, we were told to seek knowledge of the self, here in the book of peace the goal
is instead taming or restraining the self.
But the clash is only apparent.
For the book of peace, greed goes hand in hand with ignorance.
Greed is a failure to understand that none of the things one seeks to obtain is going to
last.
The greedy person is also ignorant of the nature of his own malady.
He always expects to be gratified by that one more bit of wealth or pleasure, not realizing
that greed is of its nature insatiable.
Anger 2 is the result of ignorance, for it is the offspring of greed and the vexation
that comes with noticing the faults of others.
With knowledge comes forbearance and tolerance of others.
The book of peace calls the state of soul recommended here "tapas", which makes it sound
as though enlightenment is available at any good Spanish restaurant.
But in fact, tapas means something like "spiritual austerity".
A beautiful metaphor is offered to illustrate it.
One who lives wisely and with self-control treads softly upon the earth as the track of birds
along the sky or a foul over the surface of water cannot be discerned, even so the track
of such a person does not attract notice.
Admittedly, such a life has the drawback that such a person is regarded by others as
weak and simple.
Good thing then that with self-control and self-knowledge comes tolerance, so that our wise
person will forgive the others who look down upon him.
Even this downside is no downside at all, or at least not one that will bother the danta
or tamed one.
His state is one of perfect prashama or tranquility.
Appealing though the results may sound, should we be so easily convinced to give up on
our desires, our hopes and our fears?
This advice threatens to lead not just to taming the self but to extinguishing it altogether.
No wonder we may begin to think that for some philosophers of India, there is only one
thing you need to know to understand the self that there isn't one.
Something in the wake of this suspicion is something closer to an accusation.
The Indian philosophers we are told may have agreed with the Greeks about the existence
and uniqueness of a highest good, but where the Greeks located this good in a life of
worldly flourishing and virtue, the Indians thought of it as something that lies outside
of life.
Indian thinkers are the holy naysayers, mocked by the 19th century German philosopher Friedrich
Nietzsche in thus spoke Zarathustra.
They believe that mundane living is a condition from which we should flee and that philosophy
is little more than an elaborate escape kit, a mere instrument that helps us to reach this
otherworldly end but does not after all form an essential part of it.
But things have changed since Nietzsche.
Nowadays when we hear someone talking about the distinctively western or the distinctively
Indian, we immediately realize or should realize that we are in the territory of invention
rather than discovery.
Contrast such as the one between the life of farmers and the world deniers are just too
tidy to have any basis in historical fact.
And as we look more closely at the Indian philosophers, we will see that they are not
their nealists and naysayers of Nietzsche's imagination.
True, a great deal is said about such transcendent spiritual goals as Moksha, Mukti and Nirvana,
and these goals are represented as an ultimate idealized aspiration for all.
In practice though, it is the chosen few who have ends such as these, the vast majority
of human beings aspire to something less remote.
There is no sharp division here between the philosophical traditions of India, China and
Greece.
The Chinese and the Greeks, especially the Stoics, likewise thought of the sage as having
goals of a higher order, remote from anything appropriate to ordinary human beings.
Human beings do not aspire actually to become sages, instead the otherworldly sage is an
ideal to steer by as we pursue goals within this world.
Buddhists are not really trying to become a Buddha, even if thinking of themselves as trying
to become a Buddha might be a good and effective way to achieve their real goal, which is to
lead a good Buddhist life.
Striving for a transcendent ideal might itself be a spiritual exercise, a practice that forms
a part of the good for a human being.
In which case it would be a mistake to read the descriptions of the transcendental states
and the means to reach them as if they were literal expressions of a path from the world
of men to the world of gods.
This helps to explain the fact that the ideal states of Indian thought are often described
in negative, even unappealing terms.
We are promised a life free from pain, free from suffering, free from anger and desire,
but often free from pleasure too.
European readers have frequently struggled with the idea of aiming for an existence that
is so colorless, a life little better than that of an amoeba.
Perhaps the very fact that the ideal states are described in such unappealing terms shows
us that these are not really intended as descriptions of the good for human beings.
We should instead ask how does the idea of striving to achieve such a state help one
make progress, and what exactly is the attainable goal towards which one progresses as one pursues
this frankly unattainable goal?
Might it be that reflecting on a life entirely devoid of both pleasure and pain will help
us to re-examine pleasure and pain themselves?
One might be led to be wary of pleasures rather than to avoid them altogether so that one
builds one's life around something other than the pursuit of pleasure.
If I genuinely believe that the ideal state involves no pleasure at all, I am apt to allow
myself to be nourished by the pleasures I do have without being distracted from my other
goals by the need to seek out new pleasures.
In other words, I may come to lead a life of restraint and self-control.
Of course, we'll have more opportunities to talk about debates over the highest good,
and what purpose this ideal actually played in a life lived philosophically.
The earliest answers given to these and other questions are to be found in Vedic literature.
But before turning to that literature, we're going to give you something like a second introduction.
The next episode will offer an overview of how philosophy developed in India to give you
a context for the more focused episodes to follow.
So prepare to feel like Dorothy in the world.
Wizard of Oz as we take you on a whirlwind tour next time on the history of philosophy
in India.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Indian philosophy emerged independently of Greek traditions and possesses a rich, self-contained intellectual tradition with distinct methods and goals.
Texts like the Upanishads and Nagarjuna’s *Vigrahavyāvartani* demonstrate philosophical structures familiar to Western philosophy, including arguments, self-refutation, and metaphysical inquiry.
Indian thinkers often frame philosophy as a practical path to a good life, such as taming the self through self-control and equanimity, rather than as abstract speculation.
The concept of the highest good in Indian thought is not worldly flourishing, but self-restraint and liberation from desire, aligning with practices like *tapas* and *prashama*.
The ideal states (e.g., moksha, nirvana) are often described negatively to emphasize detachment, not as literal goals, but as tools for reevaluating desires and cultivating wisdom.
Indian philosophy shares deep connections with other traditions—such as Stoicism and Buddhism—yet stands apart in its integration of ethics, metaphysics, and spiritual practice.
Contrary to Nietzsche’s portrayal, Indian philosophers are not nihilists or world-deniers, but envision a gradual, human-centered path toward transcendence.
This tradition challenges Western assumptions about philosophy by showing that its purpose can be deeply embedded in daily life and moral practice.
Summary:
The podcast introduces the philosophy of India as a distinct, ancient tradition that developed independently of Greek thought, yet shares core philosophical methods such as argumentation, metaphysical inquiry, and self-examination. Central to Indian philosophy is the idea that understanding the self leads to knowledge of the world, as expressed in the Upanishads’ call to reflect on one’s inner being. Key texts like Nagarjuna’s *Vigrahavyāvartani* reveal sophisticated philosophical debates, including self-refutation and critiques of reality, demonstrating a structure comparable to European philosophy.
Unlike Western models, Indian philosophy locates the highest good not in worldly success, but in the taming of the self through restraint, equanimity, and self-control. This is exemplified in the *Shanti Parvan*, which describes the ideal life as one free from greed, anger, and desire—though such a state is presented not as a simple escape from life, but as a spiritual practice that fosters wisdom. The ideal states of liberation (like moksha or nirvana) are often described negatively to emphasize their unattainability, suggesting they serve as tools for reevaluating desires rather than as literal goals.
The podcast challenges Western assumptions by showing that Indian philosophy is not a foreign or derivative tradition, but a deeply rooted, practical, and holistic way of engaging with life and knowledge. It invites deeper comparison and reflection on what philosophy truly means across cultures, emphasizing that its purpose may be embedded in ethical living rather than abstract theorizing. Future episodes will provide a broader historical context for Indian philosophical development.
FAQs
The podcast explores the independent development of Indian philosophy, highlighting its depth, complexity, and unique contributions to philosophical thought, separate from Western traditions.
The word 'philosophy' comes from Greek, and ancient Indian texts used different terms. Indian philosophical traditions developed independently and expressed their ideas through distinct terminology and frameworks.
Nagarjuna employs logical refutations and self-critical arguments, similar to Greek philosophical methods, such as those used by Sextus Empiricus, showing parallels in reasoning techniques across traditions.
The Upanishads suggest that reflecting on the self leads to an understanding of the entire world, implying that self-knowledge is the foundation of all philosophical and worldly knowledge.
The highest good is the taming of the self—achieving self-control, equanimity, and freedom from greed, anger, and desire to live a life of wisdom and peace.
While Western traditions often value worldly flourishing, Indian philosophy emphasizes spiritual self-restraint and detachment as the path to a truly wise and liberated life.
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