How Your Gut Could Be Affecting Your Skin Health

Adore Beauty acknowledges First Nations people as the traditional owners across the lands and waters of Australia. We recognise and pay our respects to elders past, present and future whose lands we never seeded. I am just getting delivered constant makeup hacks on Instagram. So what happened was I interacted with one, like a big mistake, but it was exciting. So it was this person called Cassiniar Nika Furova. I think she's real because I'm going to get into the ones that I think were AI, but I'm pretty sure she's a real person. And she's doing a blush and her contour of slush bronzer on one side and she just does the usual like the contour kind of comes under the cheekbone. Yeah. The blush is kind of like on the apple of the cheek and then she blends it and she's like no and I'm like you kind of look okay, but also like she then does the next one and the next one's like wow. So she draws a concealer line from the edge of her nose to her earlobe. Like a horizontal line. Just a horizontal line. Then she draws one from the outer corner of her eye down to meet that line. And then she does like a diagonal line in between that little triangle that she's created. Yes. And then she puts the contour just a strip in the bottom triangle and a strip of the blush in the top blends it all together. Looks incredible. Cheekbones popping. You sent me this smell and I tried it too. Okay, now what was your verdict? My biggest pet peeve with makeup hacks are that they aren't universal. You need to know what suits your bone structure and face shape or it won't work. So like a lot of the trend is like don't put blush on the apples of your cheek. Make it go like up higher and you'll look more snatched. I don't look as good with no makeup on my apple of my cheek. So when I tried this hack it was very much concentrate the color on the outer part of the cheekbone and leave the center clear. And I just was like nah. Yeah, nah. This is not my experience. Also I felt like all that concealer made my look so much like all the lines. I drew the lines in there. And so I was like, and then you have to blend out the line. Was it? And then I didn't really like factor in like on her the concealer looked fine. But then see for me, I feel like the concealer just took away all the color that I tried to put on with the bronzer and blush. Yeah, it was not good. So anyway, but it looked great on her. It did look great. It suited her bone structure. Yeah, that's the take off. And if you have a similar face, it'll probably look great on you too. Yeah. But I feel like don't just follow trends based on trends. It needs to suit your face shape, bone structure, same with like clothes, hair colors. It needs to suit your coloring. It needs to suit your contrast and like it needs to be what's right for you. Because then, well, this is the thing is then ever since I watched that one, I've now been delivered about 55 different contour blushes. And they're all different. They're always different. And they all look good. Yeah. So it's like, I'm sure what they're doing this far. Now it's like, I'm definitely getting delivered just AI influences like fake people. I think that was the thing. Oh my god. Yes, we talked actually um, Yad's and Sadaf talked about it on one of the weeks and you're away about the rise. It needs to have a label. It needs to say that it's AI. That's very easy to miss. But look, what's on today's show today? So today we have a very special guest. We have Leela from Saint Skin, which is a skin clinic in Melbourne. It's a clinic that I go to for my skin when I have the time, which is very few and far between. But Leela is just a wealth of knowledge when it comes to gut health. So we're going to talk about all things gut health with Leela. We will have our PWDD, WDK. I only know it if it's in front of me. But we're going to have the PWD, KWN. But first, we have a fun activity for us. I love a fun activity. It's time for we try it. I have my signature perfume. I've talked about it before. I use Glossier U, like all the other basics out there. I love it. But I'm always open to perfumes. You know, we're not in a committed relationship. And but when I want a new perfume, I don't want to know about notes and I don't want to know, like, fragrance world, like, are you a gormonde? I don't know the link. I don't care. I know the link. I just don't care. I want to know who is the person wearing this. What's the vibe? Who are they? And if you've been following on Beauty IQ Expert, you know that my goal of last year was to find a signature scent. Because before that, I had like one perfume. That was it. Now I have a collection. She's got a wardrobe. I have a wardrobe. And like you, I thought I was in just certain notes. And then when I looked up all of my perfumes, I was like, no, like the notes. Yeah. I feel like for me, don't reflect what I think it smells like. Like, I know there are notes that I don't really like, or I know that like, or if I see like tobacco, or if I see like, ood on a ingredients list, I'm like, okay, that's going to be a hectic, heavy night situation usually. So it's probably not going to be my thing. But I'm definitely not like loyal to notes or anything. So we've brought in a few. We're going to run through. These are all available on a door, obviously. Let's start with one of yours. Okay. So what have we got first? Okay. So I'm going to start with a simple but effective perfume. It's Georgia and money my way. Okay. And the reason I like I got into it is because my friend was wearing it when we were on holiday at Daydream Island. And I was like, oh my god, you smell so nice. And I was like, that's the reaction I want from people. It's like, you smell just like pretty and fresh. And I feel like the smell and you can spray it. No, I don't need to smell. It's just like a pretty girl. She's wearing a pretty 20s to 30s girl. She's pretty 20s to 30s. She's wearing like a really gorgeous like summer dress. Like she might be like, you know, her hair is orange for the air and it naturally has a curl. Yes, but it's a loose curl. It's a natural loose curl. She did not need to use the rollers. She's got the volume. I also feel like she's definitely, I've seen her walking like past the yachts in Monaco in her beautiful dress. And maybe she's getting a baguette. Yeah. And she just has a baguette. She's happy and she's well-rounded. Yeah. If she's in Australia, I just if we want to position this knot in France, I feel like she's like the girl that you see like kind of having a cupcake in the park on her own. I feel like she's a pretty girl in Noosa. Oh, okay. Noosa. She's beachy. It's very daytime to me. It's daytime. It's daytime. It's pretty. It's kind of juicy. It's full of juicy. Yeah. If you want to be that girl, that's the one to get. Your Germany, my way. All right. I'm going to start with and these are unopened guys. These are like actually. This one you're opening. I also own. Do you own this one? Okay. So this is Burberry Her. You can hear me opening up the bottle. Which I don't think I've ever smelled personally. So this will be interesting. I'm going to spritz it into the bottle. Maybe. Oh, look at that beautiful bottle. Oh, my god. I have many sides. It's like a beautiful pink like matte bottle sprayed into lid. Well, I'm just doing. Oh, yeah. I got a weird cardboard. That's true. What am I doing? Okay. Here we go. You can have that one. Oh, wow. Okay. This is not for me, but wow. See, I really like this one too. And I feel like the smell straight from the bottle isn't the full vibe. Really? I feel like this is a bit more mature than the my way. But similar like world. We're still pretty. It's still pretty. I would even say like this could be a nice on your wedding day kind of smell. I agree. I'm going to say this. This might be controversial. This one to me is slightly sexier. That's what I'm saying. Let's playful than the my way. Yeah. More mature. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like it's a little pretty. It's definitely not sultry night. No, it's not sultry, but it's like you walk past someone and they turn and look at you because they smelled it. And they're like, she smells good. And anytime I wear this one, my friend says, what are you wearing? Like she has. Oh, she likes good. So yeah. Again, if you want to be that girl, but a little bit older, a little bit. I don't know what's going on with her. She seems pretty cool. Yeah. That's probably a good one. All right. You're telling it. Okay. This one, we're getting to that point where I'm like, I'm going to have too many cents and ours. This one's by Killian. And it's good girl gone bad. We're not spritzing this because this costs like a billion dollars, right? This is why I got the investment. I got the small ones. Yeah. Because when I was going to Italy, I wanted a new perfume for Italy. And now anytime I smell it, I'm like, this takes me back. So you're a you a girl that like has signature sense for her particular. Because we also discussed. Oh, yeah. I make a very conscious decision of what I'm wearing. Oh, that's not what I expected from that perfume. This one is a bit more. I would say bit more sexy than the Burberry. It is that it's powdery. It's not like heavy sexy. It's not a heavy sexy. No, it's not like a yeah, like a very smokey or strong. Yeah. But it's like it's definitely a bit more nighttime. It's a bit more nighttime, but it's a good girl gone bad. She's good in the day. But now she's wearing a knee high boots. And she's got a mini skirt or a hot pen. Yeah. Yeah. With like a pattern tight. Yeah. But this is the thing like I hear good girl gone bad. I think immediately you're going to get gormonde or you're going to get woody. It's going to be heavy like syrupy, you know. Yeah. And this is still soft. Yes. And like obviously these are all perfumes that I like and wear. So they're going to have a similar. Yeah. I'm going to say they are very teagant. But yes. Oh, I just love it though. And because you know that there's a perfume that Rihanna wears. And it's from this brand. Yes. It is. It's not angels share. It's some love don't be shy. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Love don't be shy. So I bought all the samples. But I actually really liked good girl gone bad. That's a lovely. It's very powdery. I love that. All right. I'm opening another one. I just love opening perfumes. So this is another new ish one. It's a Daisy Mark Jacobs version called Murakami. This is the blue one. Okay. Blue, it's a limited edition one. I love this cute little, I just love, I mean, Daisy, it's so funny, I wait. had these at home and Tom goes, "Daisy was the perfume I bought for my first girlfriend in high school." And I was like, "Good boy for a better career." - Yeah, that's awesome. - "Daisy and James." - "Boys by me perfume." All right, I'm gonna spritz this one over here. There, on there. - I mean, immediately, just cute. - I feel like the brand is. - "Daisy in all of its forms is so good for a teenage arm." - This is fresh outdoors. - She's a runner, she's in a run club. - Yeah, it's like energetic outdoor smell. - Yes, this girl is young. - She drinks cucumber water. She's got mint and cucumber in her water bottle. She's in a run club. She's always sort of happy. - She does effortless ponytails. That always look good. - Yes. - So she does put not effort into the room. - Like, she can wear sneakers to the office, but she always looks polished and pulled together. - Yeah. - She loves the outdoors and she loves a flavoured spot. - And actually, this is the thing with Daisy. As it's like, like I said, it's such a good one for like a teenage arm as a first perfume. I do back it, but I think you can evolve it as you get older because I think that it still has, like it's just, it's just got life to it. - It's got life and breathing. - It's fresh breezy, it's outdoors, summer warm breeze. - She's just a cool, yeah. - She's just a relaxed girl. - Yeah, I love that. All right, what's next? - Okay, so this next one is Who Is Elijah Muse? And it says on it, "Earthy, musky, floral." Okay, this one, I feel like it's a bit different from my other ones. - Oh yeah. - I love this. - This, I feel like it's a bit more night time. - Yes, this is maybe even a bit more winter. Like I've got a coat on. - Yes. - And it goes to the floor. - Maybe you've got a bold red lip. - Yeah. - But no, I make up. - And also like you can't tell me anything 'cause like I'm very confident myself. - Yeah, no one can bring you down. - No. - And like you would definitely like have words with the bouncer at a bar if they wouldn't let your friend in. - Yeah, like if the food's too slow, like I'm calling the waiter at the bar. - She's calling the waiter at the bar. - But I'm not mean. - She stands on business. - Yeah. - It's what we mean. - She's not like business. - Like I wear this. Yeah, if like I have, like I feel like I need - Confidence. - Confidence. - That's also a scent you could do daytime. - You could. - Yeah. - But it has a lovely life. - Yeah, it's got a lovely depth for night. - Yeah. - As well. - It just feels a bit more like sensual. - Sensual. - It's not as like energetic bright florally. - Yeah. - Like my other ones. - All right, we're gonna end on this one because this one I think you're gonna find very interesting. So this is Memo Paris Marfa. - Oh, I am obsessed with this fragrance. And I couldn't even tell you why. And I find this with all of the Memo Paris fragrances. They're so unique. It's kind of like Kylian. I think it's all maybe apparently the same overarching company or something. But I'm definitely in the same world of like unique investment perfume. - Yes. - When you want to smell super unique. But yeah, you're welcome to Spritz. - Oh my God. - I obviously know it. So I don't need to Spritz. But I just love it. - Oh, that is different. - Different, isn't it? - I don't even, it has a powderiness in it. But it's zesty and it's still sweet. But it's not overpoweringly sweet. - It's like a zesty powder. - I actually want to bring the notes up for this one because I actually have never looked them up. And that's very nice. - Curious. Okay, so Memo Paris Marfa. - We've got a Garvey Accord. Orange Blossom Absolute, Sandalwood Cedar, Yelang-Yelang. Tuberos, white mask. I can definitely smell them. - It's like the mask comes through. But then you do get those like, yeah, like the orange blossom, the zesty, kind of stuff. - This to me is like, so Marfa is in Texas. So the inspiration behind it is like cool girl. Maybe a bit of a cow girl. I think it's a bit of like a slight bohemian that you've grown up and now you're like in a real job. But like, you still have your roots in like, bit prespirators. - Yeah, like your barefoot in the heart. - You know, like Serena Vanderwoodson would wear this. You know, gossip girl, what? - I don't want you TV. - Okay, everyone else listening to what I was talking about. - I think this is Serena Vanderwoodson. She's the free spirited book rich girl. - Yes, yeah, like it's not earthy. - No, outside, it's like, yeah, it's lively. - It's lively, exactly. So they're all available on a door. We will obviously have the links in the show notes. But yeah, if you're like us, that probably really helped you out with finding a new story. - Yeah, if you have the same taste as me, then it's your lucky day. These are all a similar vein, I reckon. - Yep. - We have a very exciting guest joining us for this episode today. We have Lila from St. Skin in Melbourne. - Hello. - Thank you for having me in. - Welcome. - Welcome. - Lila actually does my skin. 'Cause you know, sometimes you want to get out of your own skin clinic and into another. And Lila has been looking after me for years. Like, pre-babies, pre-wedding. She's a girls girl. She's just like so knowledgeable. And I think everyone's gonna be super excited about what Lila's gonna talk about. So St. Skin Lila is big on internal health supplements. Run us through about your ethosate, St. Skin. - Yeah, I think if we had to put it in a nutshell, it is a skin wellness destination. So I think that's what we've seen in our own health journey and some challenges even with my own health have sort of led me to this curiosity about how I can help people more holistically or with better integrity. Also, I worked in plastics and dermatology for a long time. Like I got so much knowledge doing that, but that was, I've been in industry for over 26 years now. And St. Skin is definitely my jams, but it's realizing that sometimes it wasn't a surgical procedure or sometimes it wasn't a laser. Sometimes we had to get to the real root causes of what was creating that problem for that individual and start to understand how we mitigate that risk or, you know, soothe those triggers or those root causes. Like a lot of people like to refer to now. We've built a clinic around that. And sometimes we do get some very challenging cases, but it is also very rewarding to be on that journey with people and helping people. - Yeah, it's interesting because like, I feel like the conversation around skincare has kind of reached that point now where we're like, hang on, it's not just like, fix this, fix that. It's like, how do we maintain this skin barrier? How do we keep the skin health? - It sounds like you've kind of been on that, you're like yelling into the void for a while and everyone's listening and you're like, "Now everyone's into supplements." And we look like I've been trying to tell you that dude. - Oh, totally. And that was a big thing for us. And even like some of my first health practitioners or other L.A. health practitioners were like a beautiful naturopath that I met. In like, I think I was maybe 18 and I was struggling with X morons and stuff on my body. And after trying every quarter zone cream and every other thing, a big trigger actually was for me was my stress and I'm trying to manage that. And that was one of the big turning points where it wasn't about kind of doing more. It was just learning how to regulate myself better. And so because our job can be stressful and can be quite emotive and I've even seen in the news lately talking about the addresses. - Yeah, the unpaid therapists, they made the joke of. But we really do get the download and I think it happens even in a more extreme setting, even props will be for us. With hairdressing, it's sometimes it's even done in a more public void, public space. We're one-on-one with humans being vulnerable lying down on a bed, people open up when they're lying down. - They do. And there's three things that we've said this before. But three things that we need to do to people to kind of break through is that we've often got to ask and what it is that they don't like about themselves. Then get them to take some clothing off and then let us touch them. Oh my God. - And there's such three big intimate milestones to get on. - Yes. So the things that we hear from them can be really quite intense and quite devastating sometimes. And so it's our job to help, I guess, you work through that with them sometimes. Sometimes we feel like we don't maybe even have the skills and we really are there finding the better the best that we can. But that's one of the things that we've probably learned in St. Skin as we talk about the skills and the pillars. And so we've really built this ethos. There is five pillars that make you who you are. And so we believe it's you are what you put on yourself because your skin is an exchange organ. Our second pillar is we believe what you put in your body makes you who you are also. So we understand that air, food, water, things that go in have a systemic effect on our body as a whole. So that means it has a flow and effect to all avenues. The third pillar we believe that makes you who you are is the emotional component. And I think that's something we're still learning to manage and figure out how to do best. You know, even in medicine to this day, we still account for placebo effect. And this is just the power of the mind. The flip side of that is if you've ever been stressed for an exam or coming onto a podcast. And you feel very nervous. One of the first things it might even happen to use you might feel that urgency to go to the bathroom where you might have like a very physical reaction to a thought. Literally. And that is just one thought that has this cascade of effects which has this myriad of biological effects in your body. And so it's a reminder that one system does not work independently of another. And so that's just like the first sort of portion of our pillars. And then the last couple that we believe that make you who you are and make your skin watered is is like genetics. We all have an Achilles here. We all have a point of vulnerability that will always need support. And from your body as an overall, could be someone who just they might be short of vision and they wear glasses. Could be as simple as that. But in the skin field, it can be, we've got this family history of acne. It's been there forever. What is the thing that we need to prepare this person, this child, this teenager for going through adolescence to help support them the best that they can be? And the last little pillar that we kind of forget about is just the incidental environmental factors. And I can see that presenting in say, a very common group is, say, hospital workers, who might be chefs working at hot steamy environments every single day. And it's not one thing that was the problem. It was almost like a cluster of little things that are more like the straw that breaks the camel's back. And you'll see that they are exhausted. They work shifts. They impede. this sleep. It is high stress, high pressure. Well, it's happening. That's really interesting, because I don't think we think about our skin health in this way. I think if I think, like, my understanding my skin health, I'm big into naturopath. So I feel like I am there now, but that's only been the last few years. Prior to that, I think I was always like, oh, no, I've got break, like, I've got to break out, or my skin's really dry. I need to put things on it. And that's how I will fix this problem. Everything's going to go on it. Yes. And I'm not going to think at all about what's going on in my body or my environment or surrounds. No. And like, yeah, it would be lovely if that sometimes could just be the cure or the thing that you need to fix. But sometimes we need to do the deep dive. And it is like having the difficult conversations with our clients and really helping to get to the root causes, the triggers, because sometimes they don't need to be zapped with the face with the laser. They need skin mum. They need someone to hold their hand and look at them and say, what do you think it's contributing to this? Like, you know, it's sort of taking a bit of the pressure or even a few as a clinician, but helping to build that curiosity in the client or patient and say, do you think that you're doing anything that could be contributing to this? And also how prepare are you to actually change these things? Like, I had a client which I think is a good example of what you're describing Lila. He was talking about his under eyes, feeling puffy, dark circles. I said, you know, are they genetic? Are they family members with similar things? He said no. And I'm thinking, okay, it's more lifestyle. He's a smoker. And I said, look, if you're smoking, your lymphatic system's probably not great, you're going to get some more puffiness. You might have more fluid retention under the eyes. So in terms of what I can do for you is like recommend, you know, an eye product which has caffeine in it, which might help with constricting some vessels might help with brightening. We can do some treatments to help thicken the skin, but if you're still smoking, expect the puffiness and maybe the darkness to remain. Yeah. And that is fine. If that's what's fine for you, but like we aren't magicians, we can't change stuff if it's lifestyle stuff. Yeah. And like we don't want to scare people, if they like have mac as one time, like he's not going to break down and get acne, it's repeated habits. It's always going to bed late or always having high sugar foods or always using rough towels on your face and, you know, upsetting your barrier that way. So people don't need to freak out with one off occasional things. It's what are you doing daily? Yeah. That's accumulating. And it's because the body's a resilient, but after a while, they start to get a bit tired and that's when things might appear on the skin. Yeah. And it's also the flip side of that is building beautiful habits back in for them. Like and sometimes the things I'll suggest in the first thing you've got to go and read is a atomic habits. Like you've got to go do some things to figure out how it is you're going to build this stuff into your world. What are some common like stuff that you've seen time? And again, that people wouldn't really think of that contribute to like poor skin health. Yeah. I still think stress is a big one. I think stress is going to be inflammation. It has an inflammatory cascade of effects throughout our body. And our body is a complex emotional thing. And so stress I still see is one of those things that triggers anything that's an inflammatory skin condition. So when we think about inflammatory skin conditions, think red, they look red, they look inflamed. And so we are looking at acne, we are looking at rosacea, we are looking at exma, we are looking at the triangle of sadness, which is very old, very old dermatitis. Very old dermatitis. Here's the season 80. It's about to hit us. It's going to kick off in Melbourne here. Do I say psoriasis? No psoriasis. Yeah. Anything inflammatory, I still think stress is one of their biggest triggers. But we know that when our body is stressed and we talk about our skin gut access, which it's like we know that these things correlate and affect each other when the skin is inflamed, often the digestion is inflamed. And stress could be the, it could be the chicken or the egg that what came first. And so it is hard to ascertain where things have begun. And so that's us as clinicians might have to be peeling back the legs with that person to really understand what was the first thing that probably was your trigger or was it just this accumulation of like the straw that broke the camel's back? Sometimes it could be this trigger or sometimes it's like it just builds. It's been shipping away. If we think about the things that contribute, yes stress is a big one. Diet stuff is still a big one because if we're putting in foods that aren't good quality, you can only get the best out of what you put in. These are the building blocks of your skin. Because fundamentally if I put this in the most crass way, you are a salty bag of water. And you were held together with fats and proteins. And that's what humans kind of are. And so if we're deficient in water, we're going to have problems. If we're deficient in good quality fats, we're going to have problems. If we're deficient in proteins, we're going to have problems. There's obviously a myriad of other nutrients that are really important. We talk about antioxidants, we talk about trace minerals, we talk about other essential minerals and amino acids. But fundamentally those main groups will be needed to get the bulk of our things from. And people can take all the supplements they want in the world. But they can be tricky to improve things if the inflammation is there still. And so sometimes we've got to soothe things down before we can build things up. And so Tegan and I both have the same mantra with treating skins. If we're treating from the outside, even with treatments or products, is that we've often got to stabilize the skin, then create the repair, then make the change, then get to a point of maintenance. And that kind of philosophy is very embedded in our skin world. And so some people just going to come in and have your beautiful new CO2 laser eyes on my face. And I'm like, oh, you've got a prep. But not even just for you have it's all for their benefit. You know, like we say these things because I want you to get a good result. And if we do this on your unprep skin and your high stress and your dehydrated, you're not going to recover from a CO2 laser the way that you want to. And you're not going to get the result. So it's like all these things that we do to prep. And including supplements, which we're just about to talk about, it's about building you up to get the best out of you. It's not just like boring annoying stuff that we're like trying to sell you. And then it's like, oh, now can I finally have my laser? It's like, no, it's all part of the same goal. So in a generalized sense, what are some supplements? I guess that like have skin benefits. Oh, yeah, I mean, this is opening in Canterbury. It's like they touch a broad statement. I know it's good. Look, when we start off, it is figuring out sometimes people do need to slow down and do less to begin with because sometimes we meet people who have been throwing everything at it and you would see the same thing with acne when they treat them with cells with cell silicone home and they've disrupted the barrier and you're actually like, oh, we've got to go back a step. That stabilise phase. So sometimes using, you know, gentle gut powders can help. But I know that even with the door they make, I think they stock the best dough. There's a couple of like gut health powders, which can be good. And they've often got like my anositol or they've got slippery album. They're things that are very soothing to the digestion. And so sometimes things like that or a little gut cleansing component can be an easier way because if your body is like the fridge, if you just keep going sticking more good food in there, but the fridge is still dirty. Yeah, right. Okay. So it's like reset. Sometimes for some people, they need a little gentle reset. Does it have to be this big or do you? No, please tell me I don't have to do a juice cleanse forever. But sometimes little things like that can actually make a big impact because sometimes if the gut is very inflamed, doesn't matter how many beautiful supplements you put in there, you don't absorb them well. Sort of just take a step back a little bit. We've got to sometimes do we need to do anything to the fridge, the human fridge to kind of get it clean, feeling good. Sometimes the simplest stuff that is just going back to basics with food, they don't even need to be doing big gut cleansers for going whole gentle foods, which mean they're often being cooked. They're not like big grass kale leafy sellers. So the other thing we sort of say is starting with is actually mindful eating. So not looking at your phone, chewing your food so hard. I know it's hard, especially for super mums. Yeah. You just are like I'm shoveling or eating it. Like standing up eating watching the baby eating making sure that it doesn't have a whole bowl on the floor of the dog. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I'm actually very mean. Yeah. Like mindful eating is a huge one these days because we're so used to like always looking at something or doing like I'm always eating in front of a TV. Yeah. I'm eating. We don't allow us time. No. And then it's like well if you're in that situation, then you're probably stressed as well. Like that's another sign. If you can't sit down and eat a meal without feeling antsy and I'm wanting to look on your phone. Yeah. There's another clue that maybe you need dysregulating. Yeah. You guys are killing me. This is like all the things that I do. It's an intervention. Yeah. We actually called you. Yeah. This isn't being recorded Mal. You have a problem. No, follow. I just appreciate where everyone's coming from. But this is when I talk about the simple changes first. And so we often give people like a little like a cheat sheet of how to eat and can give them some tips and some tricks around this. But first things first, let's calm digestion. Do we need a little gentle clean out? Do we need to go back to whole foods? Things that are slow cooked with bone broth, with good fats, with good protein, with good fiber. It doesn't actually have to be big or complex. And it also doesn't need to maybe involve supplements at the start. No. Like it's just getting you're eating right and then build into the supplements. Because I think it's so easy to have a freak out and run out and be like, I need magnesium. And I need this hormone one. And I need this gut one. Yeah. And I need the fish oil. And I need all this. And I need the protein powder. And now I need the creatine. And it's like, it's just, and then you've got all these things in front of you. And if you don't do it all, you feel like a failure. True. And then you lose your fist. Yeah. And also I think people are like very bristly about the idea of like, diet changes and all of this. Because as soon as I say bone broth, everyone's like, We're heading into TriedWife territory here. And but the thing is, is like all of these extreme levels of this stuff and like, you know, like that, just like the bell gibson era of like existence where, you know, there's this extreme version of this, but there is- He does use foam stuff instead of this stuff and like, yeah, it's like a straight switch. It's some very easy switches too and like, as I say, people start with less and you can always build out with more. Sometimes we need a little bit of a cleanse component. Then we need to work on the whole food and then we need to think about supplementation that suits that individual pretty much with everyone and I've brought them in for you guys today. We have a pretty bag. Yeah. Essential fatty acids still are the goat when it comes to skin. Okay. Like if I had to die on a hill besides sunscreen because I'm the palest person in the world. Essential fatty acids are what's going to help you. They're good for brain health, they're good for hormone health, they're good for skin health, they're good for other fat soluble vitamins that you will need in your body. You know, the conversion of vitamin D is fundamentally a fat soluble vitamin itself, but even vitamin A, vitamin E, they need fats and they need good quality fats to help with the communication and the messaging that they need to do. Also hormones which are like the messages around our body need good fats too. I have a question for you, Leela. If someone is vegan or vegetarian and they want fish oil, what do they do? What do they do? What do they do? It is obviously a little bit harder and sometimes there is some challenges around biovaluability so the absorption of them. But even medigenics makes a great algae oil. I'm pretty sure there's another one, Zenzino, makes a good one, I think Zincum makes a good one now. So there are some great vegetarian vegan options for people, but yeah, so to say it was supplementation I think first things first is probably, you know, essential fatty acids. The other thing that we do look at at our clinic is we often suggest people get a good overview of their blood work. And so I would still recommend for all young women if you have the opportunity to it. And most of this ability to do it on a annually basis, sometimes there may be a little bit of cost associated with some of the testing. But the overall is that if I can get a screenshot of where your vitamin D levels are, your iron is, your Zinc, and like a big group of vitamins, this kind of little snapshot of things, I can generally tell how well you're going to heal. Because when these things are down low, which I would say almost majority of young women it is, it's things that we could definitely work on it. Some of it is supplementation, but some of it can just start with food. What would you say to a client that wants to buy all the supplements you've recommended? Yeah. But they don't want to change their diet. Like how much can we rely on supplements to replace what we need from food? It's a valid question. I think if you've got people who are just not going to make changes, then the non-negotiable is that they must supplement. If they want to, but something's better than nothing completely. But say for a lot of our clients when they first come in, I still will give them, there is like a blend that has some big group vitamins, it has some Zinc, it has antioxidant, so it has a reverse preservatrol in it, and I think it has curcumin. And so the idea is that little blend helps with a bit of inflammation, a bit of weight. It's almost like a building block for new skin cells. It gives them more than nutrients they would need to create a new cell in some way. And so it's not perfect, but it's definitely another building block one that I put people on quite quickly, because I can see validity in doing so. And there's a lot of good blends like that now, and even on your store, there are things that have those similar types of blends. We just want to be mindful that we're not doubling up. There are things where people can take to many bees that can create neuropathy, it can make problems with other parts of your body, because often things are fortified, so you'll have like a protein powder that has everything in it, and you'll have a nail supplement that has everything in it, and you've got something else supplement has everything in it. So this is why it's so good, I think, and it's so important to be speaking to somebody who has like, can keep you a bit of guidance, like, yeah, experience in the area, because I did this with fertility, like when I saw an atropath for fertility, before that, I was just googling these supplements, and I started taking so many things, and then my cycle went weird. Yeah. And like, we did that. Like, it went worse. And I was like, I think I'm actually working against myself here, instead of just googling supplements and just diagnosing myself with things, I thought, I'm going to go see somebody who actually, and she actually ended up pulling me off most of the stuff I was on, because she was like, you don't need this, you don't need this, like looking at your blood work. Yeah. This, this, and this, yes, this, this, and this, no, and so I've been putting so hard, and like, you know, like obviously this is anecdotal, and we're not doctors, but like for me personally, I saw a mark change in my cycle, and it improved. That's so good. Once I reduced all this stuff, and like, I just, I'm very like that, I'm very like that. I feel like if I can't go all on nothing, I'll just do nothing, but then it all becomes too big that I can't do that either. Yeah. So it's like sometimes you just need it, like you just need to be like 10% better. Yeah. Get used to that, and then aim for the next 10%. So it sounds like what, for the people listening, getting blood work would be the first step. Yeah. I feel like it is often a good insight just to say, is there something glaringly wrong? Yeah. If you're presenting with a skin condition regardless, and I think it's very empowering and helpful as a human to know where you stand from a health perspective, and it probably should be done annually, so you can keep an eye on things. I think the thing is, it's like if we get the blood work done and we have a little look, and we have a deep dive and ask some quick, curious questions about when did this condition first start? You know, was there something that brought it on? Then we talk about, let's start with some whole foods and some simple things, and let's scale you back and give you maybe six recipes that you can work on for the next few weeks and see how you feel. Yeah. I think we need these two supplements to start off with, maybe the essential fatty acids and maybe this little zinc blend, because if you've got inflammation, zinc will at least start to help treat that, even if your fridge needs cleaning. Yeah. Then if the fridge in inverted colors, which is you, your body, then if the fridge needs cleaning, then we do some sort of cleaning step, and then we go back on what is the next phase of supplements, or the next things that you need to do to start rebuilding your body a bit from the inside, to start addressing this skin concern from the inside. And I would remind people this sort of protocol seemed to work quite well by doing it in little stages and by checking in. Well, thank you so much, Leila. That was such a good, I feel like it was just skimming the top layer of what we can do. Well, that's what Leila said. It's a can of worms. It is a can of worms, but that's a good starting point, I think. And I think it's nice to look at it in a balanced way, like you were saying, you know, it's not necessarily about these huge sweeping changes and you're going to, you know, everything's the enemy and all these things, it's what's practical and able to do, but there's obviously connection. Small habits. Yeah, yeah. And so like we would just, yeah, exactly. And then the small habits can just be old diverse foods, adequate protein, adequate fiber, adequate hydration, adequate sleep, manages dress and move your body a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, like not that hard to get back to basics, live like the case man, live like the cave man. It was a lot. Except I'm kind of glad that we have medicine. Yeah. Yeah. And we're being attacked by like all the mammoths. Yeah. And like epipans and like. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're an elevated, being elevated modern cave man. Yeah. Elevated modern cave man. That sounds good. We hear for it. Thanks, Lila. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. PWD, KW and Tegan, what have you got for me? Okay. So this was a gift from Johnny's mum. And when I got it, I was like, interesting. What do I do with this? A candle warmer. It looks like a little lamp. And the lamp kind of like hangs down like a chalip. Okay. And you put a candle under it. And the warmth from the globe melts the wax. And let's the smell into the air. That is so fascinating. Wait. Yes. I'm so confused. Okay. So basically, it's like, you know how when a chicken is born, it goes in an incubator and a warm sun. Okay. Yeah. It's like a candle incubator. So this globe is warm. It melts the wax. So I don't need to light the candle. Okay. But it stays in its case. So I can just like swap out candles as I please. And this is why I like it. One, I still get to use all of my glass house candles, which I love. They have the strongest sense. They're my favorite ones. And now with two kids, I'm like, Zuri is super grabby. Like she's the ultimate crab. Yeah. I don't have any flames in the house anymore. Like I can't have. Yeah. Whereas Naya wasn't grabby. She didn't walk for a while. So like I could leave a candle on the table and she wouldn't get it. Zuri? No. So now I can have all my candles with no flame. I'm looking at it now. Okay. This makes more sense when you visually see it guys. So if you're still confused, Google candle warmer, it's kind of like it's like a lamp. Yes. And so then you don't have to have to have to flame on. Yes. Which is actually so genius when you've got kids because I also have this feeling like Joey is not yet walking, but when he will walk, it's going to change a lot. So I'm going to have my house. Yeah. And I also would never be able to have a candle on. So. Oh my God. I've tried. I've tried wax melts before, but like I want my glass house. Yeah. But now I can use any candle, any candle and it just melts the wax and eventually like because the wax obviously doesn't go down because it's not burning. But eventually it will lose its scent over time. Okay. But because it isn't using the wax, I feel like it lasts way longer like this scent. And when people come into my house and this is something I've always been like, I've always wanted to have a nice smelling house, the candle warmer is delivering. Yeah. And also it looks so cute. Yeah. It's cute. So I got mum like a cheaper one I think from like Amazon. I got gifted one from, is it called Dusk? Yes. It's a candle place. Yeah. Anyway. But then I was like telling my friend lives about it. And she's like, oh my God. This is like if it's a full thing on Tik Tok everyone's doing. And I was like, wow, I wasn't even trying to be trendy. Johnny's mum just like got me a candle present. I just accidentally wore a present. And I was like, whoa, I love this. Anyway. I have a new favorite glass house scent by the way that anytime I do like my once a month adore hall I like to try a new glass house candle usually in winter. I like a midnight in Milan. Yeah, but the one I have at the moment is called Velvet Rhapsody. I have not heard of that one. Is it new? It's new. Yes, it's new. It reminds me of a one night in Rio like it's quite a uplifting, florally fruity kind of smol which I like. And it's just it's fresh and it does the job and I'm so into it. Oh guys, everyone get one. I will think of it. What about a life hack? Yeah, right. Life hack. Well, mine's not really a life hack. Mine's just, well, actually, no, it is a life hack. I lie because basically I'm going to tell you about a really cheap hair moose that is powerful enough to glue my full fringe down into a slick bun. So like, I'll like down to the back. Yeah, I'm imagining blue to the floor. I don't think you know, but why? But why? Why have you ever tried this? No, it's to now leave this podcast. Yeah, like that's not a look. Maybe it is. I don't know. Okay, the back. A slipper. I think it is, but you know what I think, you know, some people who may have to are people that have the little baby fringes, you know, the little like really, the very Melbourne thing I feel to have the very, very short fringe. And I feel like they, you need to like pull them down. So this could be good for you if you have one of those. So basically I cannot be bothered doing my hair every day, but I really like having my fringe back. I talked about this on the podcast about how I finally felt like I was like me again after having the baby when I got it cut back in because like originally, I was like, I won't get my fringe again because it's too much work. It's high maintenance. I'm a mom now. And then I was like, no, I want the high maintenance fringe. I just don't want to do it every day, especially when I've got to go into an office or go to a meeting or something and like you're just rushing out the door. And I was like into the slick bun, but how to keep the fringe down. And I've also got these like, is this like a postpartum hair thing? I've got the most mad sideburns of my life. Like I'm going to pull some down to show you. Oh, I see. Why do I look like John Travolta in Greece right now? It is very down in Zucco. Look at me. I lost most of my hair from like higher up. Yeah, I don't know what's going on, but I just have all these like sideburn action and they pop out like crusty the clown like that. Yeah. Okay. Or if I wanted to, I could like, I guess enhance them, but I think I have quite masculine features as he is. And I just don't think that's my look. So, you know, anyway, so I need a lot of things glued down. Everyone's like, get to the point. What's the moose called now? It's called Schwartzcoff, extra care styling, keratin, strength moose, Schwartzcoff. Schwartzcoff. Schwartzcoff. We try. Yeah, I don't know to say them here. I feel like you're off. Yeah, there's a Schwartzcoff. We've tried. Look, it literally costs six dollars. Okay. Oh, it's just full can of moose six bucks. It's just a really good stronghold moose that doesn't stink. It says 40 hours. Okay. No, Elnette. No. Okay. Elnette is the famous L'Oreal hairspray. And it is like incredible for like a really good hold. It was like used like, I think it's back in the 50s or whatever. Like people used to set their hair with it, like it's like the pink bottle. I think it's like a pink hat. Oh, no, hang on. It may also be pink. And it has like a little oval. Elnette is gold. I like that pink hairspray. I'm googling because I know what you're talking about. Yeah, my mom had that. There's seedle hairspray. All the famous. Yes, seedle. They are all, because they're all historic. Like these are like classics. They all have a bit of like an old lady, like a bit of a powdery smell, which is fine if that's like your thing, because some people that totally works. Like I imagine Taylor Swift would enjoy like a powdery hairspray smell. Yeah, she seems she could lean into like a muskier scent, you know? But for me, it's not it. And I don't want my hair product to overpower like the perfume that I'm wearing. So I love this mousse because it has a scent, but it's just not really strong. Okay, so really this smell. Yeah. Once you've done the slick back hairstyle, can you slick back multiple days in a row? Or it's like, you do this once at the end of the line and then you have to wash it. Oh, you can do it again. See, I have it in right now and I will be doing it again tomorrow, because so it doesn't get like crumbly or oh, it does. It does. Okay. What I mean is like, you can't go backwards. So once you've committed, you can't then brush it out and wear your hair out. Like it is going to be sort of a weird, it's going to kind of stay there and you're going to brush it and it'll sort of stay like swept back, I guess. And you apply this dry or damp. No, I damp in my hair. So I'll like get up in the morning, brush my hair, wax some water through it, put the mousse through, brush the mousse through and then wrap it into a low bun. And then through the day, sometimes just add a little bit more water. It's great for rainy days. Great. Because it doesn't matter if it rains on your head, because it's just going to help with the whole thing. So you don't like sending out the products. You don't like use like a little fly away. I do. It's usually pretty good at having it on lock like I haven't put anything else in my hair today and that you can kind of see there, maybe if I was going out at night, I'd probably touch that bit up, but I use the 11 Australia Smooth Me Now balm, which I've talked about on the podcast before. It's really good sticky-ish balm for like random flyways or just like the lock little bits down, but like it's not all over situation. But honestly, it can usually get me through a full day, but yeah, it is like cement, like you and not you can wash it out easily. Yeah, I probably use a clarifying shampoo like I usually get in. I'm honestly so gross, Tegan, like I wash my hair once a week, which Hannah was the same, because we have thick hair, but also I will wash my hair once a week, having used this product like two to ten times that way. Oh, no, I'm exactly. Ever since I laid eyes on the K-18 air wash, dry shampoo, like I washed my hair last night and I reckon I was telling my sister like we were pushing like eight or nine days, because I kept doing the slick back. And the longer I went, the better the slick back looked if you did it look too closely at the crust. And you don't smell it. Yeah, I mean, I would hope my hair doesn't smell. I mean, I don't know. I think men literally don't wash their hair for like a month and like only then does a start to smell. So yeah, and I guess it depends what you're doing. Like I'm not hating the gym exactly at home. Exactly, it's fine. We've justified it for ourselves. Anyway, this is definitely the product to get if you need to slick your hair down and fast. And you don't want to spend a lot of money. Six bucks. What a hack. So I have a bit of a part time job going on at the moment, Tegan. Oh, I can't. Well, I committed too hard. I flew too close to the sun. I love love Island. Okay. Do you ever watch love Island? Mel. You know, I don't want to see me. I know. Hey, soccer. Yes. That means you've been watching the World Cup, which probably is old news by the time this comes out. But, you know, yeah, look, I've doubled, but like I'm not waking up at 5 a.m. like Johnny is. I'll just watch the highlights. How does it go with Johnny waking up at 5 a.m.? Does he wake you up? No, but then he's tied the whole day. Like I can't wait to this thing to be over. But then like the Premier League will start, and I'll be like, oh, here we go again. It's just a cycle. There's always something going on. It never ends. It never ends. Never. But you may as well just lean in and get really into it. Well, I like one player. Okay. He plays for Norway. And I like the player that everyone likes. Yeah, yeah. I like him. I like him because I only like him because again, watching soccer stuff on YouTube, it was like a day in the life of like him and his girlfriend. He like cooked dinner and I was like, oh, he's like a nice personality. It's nothing to do with the soccer on the field. I just like his steak cooking abilities. He's really intimately and that resonated with me. And then that was a sign we. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I need to look up some content of his because I have also seen pictures of him being like, oh, yeah. Anyway, who knows, by the time this is out, someone's won it. I don't know when it finishes. I don't know the thing about him because I don't have time because I have all this love island to watch. So I work, I have a baby and yet somehow I've committed to not one season of love Island, but two at the same time. So what do you mean like a rerun? No, no, there's multiple countries that do love islands. So UK, US and Australia and my three, usually all on at different times of the year, but this year, the US one and the UK one are airing at the same time because they're using different villas and it is a lot. So the UK one, there's an episode every day, Tegan, an hour episode, an hour every an hour. And it's like one better than the other. Do you look forward to like the UK of the US? So the US started out strong. This is how this happened was that I was like, no, I'm only going to watch UK because the US is okay. It's not that great. But the US started really strong words. The UK was a bit of a slow burn this year. So it wasn't much happening. The US was like chaos. It was like people making out everywhere and switching their partners up all the time and because the whole premise is like you like hook up with somebody and then you couple up with them. But then if someone knew they sent bombshells in and then that person might be hotter or more, you're more into them. Oh my god. Yeah. I would take the leave your partner. Yeah. I would be terrible on this show by the way. So bad. Like it would be like a grass and screener. The whole entire well. Also Tegan, they're like really nice villas. Like it's sunny. You're in Spain. There's a pool. I would probably spend the entire time like swimming and reading. I would be like but then would you get kicked off? Is there like a thing where you get kicked off? Okay. So they'll be like Mel isn't kissing anyone. We got it. Ted, her off. She's just hanging out in the spa. Mel's also just someone reading all the Twilight books again. She's got a girl. She's not entertaining. She's brought the entire like five quarter thorns and roses books, which is like human-sized amount of reading. Anyway, it's just been so much like I honestly felt like I just saw a tweet where someone was like, "Time for my part-time job, love Island UK again." And I was like, "No, but actually, when you commit to both, it is so much television, I'm never up to date." Our episodes, like they should be half an hour. They should be, but some reckon it'll happen up daily. There's enough staff. Two hours a day. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, and if you miss one, if you miss one day, you've got four hours of TV, like, "How do you have a chat?" I know. I don't know. I've had to skip some when I couldn't tell the novelty that I could, but now we're up to movie night. That's a really good one. Anyway, that's been my whole life. It's amazing. It's not come up on the podcast yet, given that's all I've been doing with myself. But, you know, until it's over, I'll try and not talk about it again. Okay, everyone? Well, okay, heard it in first people. All right, see you next week. Bye! If you liked the episode, tell your friends and leave us a review. If you're in the mood for more content, head to the BDIQ platform on adorebeauty.com.au.