In this episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges, host Allison Nathan explores AI’s potential impact on jobs with three experts. Joseph Briggs (Goldman Sachs) estimates that AI will displace 9% of U.S. workers over the next decade, but he expects history to repeat itself with new job creation offsetting losses, limiting annual unemployment spikes to under one percentage point. MIT’s Neil Thompson cautions that AI adoption will lag behind capability improvements due to high costs, data access challenges, and the need for reliable applications. He emphasizes that partial automation often reshapes tasks—automating routine work can raise wages, while automating expert tasks may increase competition but also create more jobs. Thompson views AI as a “rising tide” that workers can adapt to rather than a sudden shock. Daron Acemoglu (MIT) predicts a smaller net negative impact (2-4% job loss) in the near term, noting that current AI models are better at replacing than complementing workers. He warns that without applications focusing on augmentation, long-term job losses could be larger. All experts agree that AI’s labor effects will be gradual and uncertain, with the key challenge being whether job creation keeps pace with displacement.
[MUSIC] Rapid improvements in AI capabilities and growing corporate adoption have led some prominent technologists to predict that AI could eliminate a massive number of jobs before the end of the decade. So just how concerned should we be about an AI job apocalypse? I'm Allison Nathan and this is Goldman Sachs exchanges. Each month I speak with investors, policymakers, and academics about the most pressing market-moving issues for our top of my report from Goldman Sachs research. This month I spoke with MIT's Darren Asimoglu and Neil Thompson, as well as with Joseph Briggs, who leads the Global Economics team in Goldman Sachs research. I started by asking Joseph just how much labor displacement from AI he expects ahead. Joseph, I know you are well aware that there's been a lot of debate about AI's potential impact on the US labor market, especially as we've seen some companies citing AI as a factor in recent layoffs. We've all seen the headlines. What are you expecting in terms of AI-related labor displacement in the near term and over the longer term? So to level said, if we look at the labor market today, you can see the imprint of AI in a few industries and a few sectors where we know that AI is already having an impact. And so if we combine across sectors like tech and management consulting and graphic design, areas where tools have already been developed and deployed, you can see that overall there's probably a 10 to 15,000 drag on month-to-month job growth from AI impacts. All that being said, it's still a fairly narrow labor market shock and we're not seeing a big impact today on the broader economy. Now, I do expect that we'll change going forward. Under our baseline forecast for a 15% uplift to productivity following full adoption of AI, if we combine that estimate with the historical elasticity between how much does a technology-driven productivity increase tend to displace workers, we come up with an estimate that around 9% of all workers in the US will be reallocated to new positions during the AI transition. That's a pretty big number. It is a big number. 9% of workers being displaced by AI would correspond to 15 million workers leaving or being displaced from their positions today and having to find new jobs. Displacing 9% of workers would be the type of automation and reallocation shock that we saw in the late 90s and early 2000s and other periods of significant technological change. What I'd really emphasize is that it is over a 10-year period and as long as the displacement and the job losses spread out enough, then the impact on the unemployment rate in any given year will likely not be that large. So, for example, even under our forecast for 9% of workers being displaced, we'd still expect that the unemployment rate increase in any given year would be less than one percentage point. And then also a key part of your forecast is that in addition to these job losses, you'll have creation of jobs. So, talk us through your assumptions and expectations there. Yeah, we're not expecting that displaced workers will be displaced over the long run. We do expect that ultimately there are going to be more than enough jobs created to reabsorbed workers back into the labor market. And the key reason for this is that there's a long historical record of technology delivering significant job gains. A couple stats that I would flag around that. If we look back over the last 80 years, around 85% of job growth has been driven by the technological creation of new positions. Likewise, the US labor market is incredibly dynamic. Every year we see around 30 million jobs being created, now granted, 29 million are being destroyed. All the time, implying that technology and automation are constantly leading to a significant amount of labor market churn where new positions are created and jobs are destroyed. Now, we think that this will repeat itself going forward, particularly in a world where AI is enabling innovation. Even a 5% acceleration in the pace at which new jobs are being created would be more than enough to reabsorb the workers that we're expecting will be displaced by AI-driven automation. And so, over the long run, I'm really not concerned that we're going to see permanent job losses. The bigger question is, does that pace of new job creation pick up fast enough to offset any near-term headwinds? Just to be perfectly clear, you don't subscribe to the view that we are going to see a world in which a lot of people just don't end up with a job. Yeah, definitely not. I think that the view that has been put forth by a lot of tech commentators where jobs are going to be permanently displaced, it really focuses on the job loss aspect, which as we've discussed, will likely be pretty meaningful. But it ignores the job creation aspect. And as long as we see history repeat itself, and we see that technology does again, as it always has, lead to new work opportunities, then we won't see permanent job loss over the long run. MIT's Neil Thompson is less convinced that AI will displace a large number of workers. He argues that capability alone isn't sufficient to do so. And he points out that jobs consist of many tasks, only some of which can be automated. So he seems to expect a slower and more uneven labor market adjustment than AI's current capabilities suggest. And he also takes some comfort in the idea that we can see AI coming. Here's some of my recent conversation with him. We should absolutely think of AI as being this very transformative technology that is not only very capable, but actually becoming capable very quickly. But when we then want to connect that to jobs, it's really important to say that AI capabilities are only one in a series of steps that lead to a change in jobs. Right? And so you first say, okay, could AI do this task? If it was given all the right information, really crucial in there was that if you give them all the right information, right? If you actually think of lots of things you might imagine doing. So you say, oh, well, maybe when you check in for doctor's office, since some of this can be done. But of course, as soon as you want to get any kind of medical advice, all of a sudden you have to get access to privacy records and things like that. And so you can very quickly get into a situation where, oh, you need these kind of records. So there's a whole bunch of stuff needs to be done there. Then even if you say, okay, now I know how to build such a system so that it can get all the right information, you can ask the question, is it cost effective to do? And some of the previous work my lab has done is shown that in many cases, it might not be because you might need such an exacting system that it would cost a lot to run. And so you really need all of those pieces to come into play. You need AI to have the capabilities. You need to be able to provide it all of the information in these to make those decisions. That's not an easy thing in many cases. And then you need to know that once you do all those things, it would be economically attractive in order to have the effect. So what that in practice means for lots of people thinking about this process is that we're going to look at capabilities and they're going to improve very fast. And we're going to say my goodness AI can do a lot. But then there's going to be this adoption process that is going to take a much longer time. And that means that large businesses are going to get automated before small businesses. It means that there are things that are more important and more attractive to be using AI for going to get done before a very long tail of things that probably will take a long time or not happen a lot. And this actually is not that different than what we've seen in previous waves. The previous waves of automation that we had in say the 80s looked at automation as what can you do that routine tasks that you can imagine building into a pipeline of say what a computer can do. And there were quite a number of tasks that we said oh we can imagine doing those. But in fact only a fraction of those have been automated. And so the question for us and we don't have an easy answer to this. But it's how fast that adoption pattern will happen. But it's certainly is going to take a lot longer than the growth of AI capabilities. Neil, you often talk about this in terms of expert versus in expert tasks. Why is that distinction important here? Yes, this is very important because in some of my collaborations with David Otter one of the things we see is that most jobs it is not that all of the tasks in that job are going to be automated. In most cases we're going to see partial automation of jobs. And then the question is if your job is partially automated what happens to you? And our intuition on this is often on the demand side by which I mean that if we think of if 30% of my job got automated that might decrease the demand for my job by 30%. And when we think about that we think of prices should go down and quantity should go down. So that means I should get pay less and there should be fewer people doing my job. I think a better intuition for thinking about this is on the supply side of things which says if somebody automates part of my job what happens to me really depends on what the task is that gets automated. So if you say finally my expense reports right that is a very in expert part of my job. I'm pretty happy for someone else to take that and focus more of my time on the stuff that really makes me valuable. So intuitively we can say that sounds more attractive to me whereas if you have a system that comes in and does the most expert part of my job and I'm left doing more of my expense reports and stuff like that that doesn't sound like as an attractive deal to me. And so we can actually analyze this to what has been happening over the last 30 or 40 years. For example taxi drivers. So when GPS comes in it automates the most expert part of what a taxi driver does which is knowing all of the routes around the city. That means that what actually happens there is now all of a sudden many more people can do taxi driving. There's a lot more competition that drives wages down. So wages do indeed go down. But in fact there are many many more taxi drivers now than there ever were they we just call them mover drivers. Conversely if you think about proof food free day. Proofreaders used to do spell checking before we go.
we had spell check, right? And that was not very expert part of their job. That, of course, has been completely taken away by Microsoft Word and all of those others doing the spell checking for you. But what's left in the proofreading job is the much more complicated, like how do you think about structuring an argument? Have you martial evidence in the right way? So lots of people could check spelling. Not that many people are really good at the other part. And so as part of things got on me, there were fewer people who could do it, but the people who do it actually got paid more. And so you can see this pushes us in two different directions. If your least expert stuff gets automated, you become more expert, your wages go up, but there are fewer of you. If your most expert stuff gets automated, that actually pushes your wages down, but actually more people enter. And that means that they're typically more jobs, not less jobs. I think that we will face the same thing with AI. It will, in some case, automate the more expert, in some case, automate the less expert. And so that's going to mean that they're going to be a diverse set of labor implications for AI. And this is actually a very, very important thing that governments and businesses need to think about, because it means that if they're just planning for a uniform, everybody has a bad outcome, right? It's actually a much more nuanced thing. But Neil, let me just ask the bigger question, which is what does all of this mean for how AI will ultimately impact the aggregate number of jobs? So I think it's an important question, but it's a question that if we think about it at that level, you have a couple of things. So you have this expertise effect as you have a partial automation of a job. And that, as I say, does not push us particularly in one direction or the other. But at the very aggregate level, what really matters is there will be presumably some jobs that will be largely automated. And so those will actually disappear in some sense. But of course, new jobs and new tasks are also going to be created. And that balance between the jobs going away and new jobs being created, we really don't know. If we look at previous automation waves, we see that in general, there are lots of new work that comes about. So in general, this has been OK. Now we know that the way that AI processes things is more similar to humans. And therefore, we might be a little bit more worried about that. But I think it is really too early to know whether we should be expecting a lot of unemployment from this or whether the new tasks we have created and the extra leverage that humans will get will actually be very important in allowing us to still have lots of work out there. But AI's capabilities are much broader than many past technologies. So does that make significant job replacement more likely than in the past? So I do think that AI as a technology is considerably broader than many technologies we've had in the past. That also comes with some aspects of it that are more difficult to implement. The way I think about this is if you think about a traditional technology like databases or Excel or something like that, it has a pretty limited scope. But within that scope, it performs basically at 100% effectiveness. You never worry about Excel multiplying numbers wrong or your database missing a third of the records or something like that. If you put in the right query, it's going to give you the right answer. So it's narrow but very effective. AI is much, much broader. You can ask it a multiplication question or you can ask what to have for dinner tonight. It will give you answers to both of those questions. But it's ability to get something 100% correct is much more limited, right? It's much more harder to stop there from ever being a case of hallucination ever going off the rails. That means that it's very apt to be used as a tool that can help people. But it's harder to use it as a tool where you can have a modular part of your process that you can just forget about. So yes, it's broader, but there are also some other aspects that are challenging for it. And that same thing that makes it very broad also makes it much more powerful for being a tool to do stuff. And of course, it's important to remember this happens at several different levels. So it happens at the level of, I'm a worker. Someone gives me this tool. I now do my job a little bit faster. But even if you say, OK, in my organization, maybe there used to be five people and two of the roles disappear. But that augments the rest of us. And that means that we now hire more people and business gets bigger faster or something like that. And so there are lots and lots of different effects here. And so I think we should be very skeptical about saying that it's going to destroy work and not create work along the way. So are the worries that AI will lead to a job apocalypse as we've been hearing, warranted or overblown? So I think that people are right to look at the AI capabilities evolving and to say, this does present a potential challenge to labor. But one of our recent papers we talked about the difference between crashing waves and rising times as to how it affects human workers. And I think this is important because if we think about crashing waves, you can think of this as like everybody in the workforce is walking along the seashore. And we're all like, it's a beautiful day. We're not wet. We're just warm and sunny. And then a wave comes out of nowhere and a bunch of people just get totally washed away. That's a world where it's pretty anxiety-producing for workers. What we see in our research is that does not seem to be the dominant way that comes in. The dominant effect seems to be rising times by which we say, OK, we're still all the seashore. And some of us are on the sand. Some of us are up to the ankles. And some of us are up to the knees. But as the time comes in, you say, OK, now it's a little deeper. It's a little deeper. So like AI is coming, but it's not totally unexpected. And so at least if we're paying attention, we can have a good sense of what AI is going to do. That doesn't protect us from our fast rising time. But it does mean that we can see it coming. And it won't be as big of a shock. And we can manage that process better. And so I think that to me is an encouraging sign of businesses and workers can look at what AI can do, can try and manage that process in a way that is much more active than if it was a question we've seen earlier. MIT's Darren Asimoglu sees it a bit differently. He expects AI to have a small net negative impact on labor over the next several years. But he warns that job losses could be larger over the longer term if AI investment continues to focus more on replacing workers than on complementing them. Darren, let me first ask, the consensus among economists seems to be that the aggregate labor market data isn't indicating a significant labor market impact from AI yet. So do you expect a larger impact to be invisible in the near future? It's very, very difficult to make any kind of predictions with any degree of certainty. But I would imagine that in 2027, we would see a little bit more of layoffs or slowdown in hiring, in jobs where AI can at least have a chance of replacing some tasks. I do not think that we are currently seeing models and capabilities that are that good at complementing workers yet. I think a lot of workers are using AI for small things, like checking text, some reference checks. And that's fine, but that's not like the really big complementary users of AI. So I wouldn't expect that except in a few fields, like say biological research or chemical research, I don't think we're going to see a huge uses of AI in a complementary way that quickly. So I would expect some net job losses, limited net job losses within the next five years. But I want to also underscore that none of this, in my estimation, will be of a scale anywhere close to the kinds of things that some expect. I would say less than 2% to 4%. What makes me cautious on the spread of AI is that we don't have easy to use applications based on the foundation models that can be adopted by many large-scale employers. I think you would need more reliable applications built on the foundation layer for these jobs, rather than individuals or managers themselves propped engineering, which would be inconsistent, time consuming, often challenged the knowledge of teams to use AI, unreliable, all of these things would make that not as likely a scenario. So then we would really need to rely on these applications and we're not seeing those applications yet. Coding software engineering is an exception because first, the models are already quite capable in coding because parts of coding have now been quite routinized. And second, the people in the software engineering space are all quite experts in AI, so they can give the right prompts and then troubleshoot and check the work. So that's why I think coding may be an exception in that some impact can be seen without these kind of reliable applications, easy to use applications. But again, there's a lot of uncertainty. Agent.ai opens the way to develop more of these applications. But once again, I don't know that it's that likely or that productive if every company has to develop those applications themselves. So the agent.c advances would be most useful if AI model developers or AI application developers could use those to offer to the market reliable, flexible, easy to use tool that other companies can then adopt. So like the Microsoft Office version of AI, so to say,
speak. What type of worker is most vulnerable? At the moment, I see still the most vulnerable tasks to be those that are cognitive and routine, meaning that involve similar things and not too many new things, not too much innovation, not too much creation, and not too much intense social interaction or judgment. So those would be tasks like customer service reps or back office work. There are a lot of workers who do that, I think in total, if you add those to, it would be 8 million in the United States, 9 million. So that's not a small amount, but also not huge. But does that estimate of AI's labor market impact shift over the medium to longer term? It's much, much more uncertain over, let's say, 10 to 15 years, it will depend on where the investments go. I have argued for more than 10 years now that the complimentary path is actually quite productive. It's just that we haven't invested in it. It has a lot of preconditions, it has a lot of different investments that it requires. Either at the pre-training level or the application level, it requires very different kind of data, very high quality data, but much more domain specific. I believe we are not making those investments sufficiently. So I would expect bigger net job losses within the next 10 to 15 years, if things continue like this. There are also so many big wild cards. The big, big, big wild card is the integration of AI and robotics. There are efforts on this much more outside of the US than the US, but also in the United States. And if there were amazing breakthroughs there, that would open up the number of jobs that AI would impact hugely. The integral task is about 50% of the work in the US economy. The next layer is jobs that involve judgment, middle managers. That's where the agentic advances are going to be very important and the applications are going to be very important. That is very uncertain, but we may get more information on that in the next year or so. And then the next big chunk is jobs that involve social interactions, where you need two kinds of changes for those to be in the crosshairs. One is the models need to improve in the social dimension. They're already not that bad in some of those, but they would still need quite significant improvements. But also the human consumers need to change their preferences and what they see as normal, that they accept social interaction from AI bots more than they do. And the new generation is more open, I think, on some of these issues. But how quickly that will go? I don't know. But let me zoom out for a second. The vast majority of job growth since 1940 has been driven by technology as well as the creative destruction process. So do you think this time will be different? There's no general law of economics that says that job creation always has to match job destruction. If you look at the last 80 years, a lot of job growth has come from changing tasks, new tasks, changing structure of occupations. But it has not been at an even pace. We have not generated as many jobs for workers without a college degree since 1980 as we used to before 1980. And that's why if you look at the employment, the population ratios of especially men without a college degree, they have fallen quite a lot and wages have fallen and stagnated for workers of that sort. And during certain periods, like the 50s, 60s, early 70s, creation exceeded destruction and created a lot of demand. So that's why wages increased even faster than productivity during that period. But it has fallen short of destruction since the late 1970s, with some periods of exception in between. If we just were to repeat the period since the 1970s, but now with the destruction coming from cognitive office jobs, that would already be I think the kinds of limited job losses that I'm talking about. So I'm not saying that there is anything completely different this time. But every episode is different because those balance between creation and destruction, automation versus new tasks and changing occupations, those are different in every sub period. And so Darren, what do you think the impact of these shifts from AI will be on wages and income inequality, which is very much in focus right now? First of all, I think that inequality and employment are actually more tightly linked than sometimes is implied. If you experience declining more stagnant wages for some groups, they typically also reduce their employment population ratio or the participation rate. That's why I believe that some groups are going to suffer in terms of their wages, as well as seeing somewhat slower employment growth or some employment declines. That therefore is the basis of my belief that we should expect increase in labor income inequality. Now, there is one caveat to that, an important caveat, which is that if the jobs that are replaced were done by managers or already highly paid workers, that would work out differently that now you're not replacing the jobs that blue color workers used to perform like the technologies of the 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, which then increase in equality because those middle class type of wages were replaced by lower wages that many of these workers could get only in lower ranked occupations. If somehow you started replacing managers in large companies who are well paid, inequality could decline. I don't think that's the most likely scenario because my earlier account, it's the simpler cognitively more predictable jobs, customer service back office, those are not the highly paid workers. Moreover, very well paid employees would go and find jobs in other occupations, so they wouldn't be the ones that bear the burden as much as the next layer who are then displaced. That's the basis of my belief that labor income inequality would increase. Honestly, I'm not sure if I came away from these conversations, more concerned or more comforted. There's a lot that we still don't know, but I'll leave it there for now. My thanks to Darren Asimoglu, Neil Thompson, and Joseph Ricks. And thank you for listening to this episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges, which was recorded in June 2026. I'm Allison Nathan. The opinions I've used express to your inner as of the date of publication, subject to change without notice, and may not necessarily reflect the institutional views of Goldman Sachs or its affiliates. The material provided is intended for informational purposes only, and does not constitute investment advice, a recommendation from any Goldman Sachs entity to take any particular action, or an offer or solicitation to purchase or sell any securities or financial products. This material may contain forward-looking statements. 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Key Points:
Goldman Sachs’ Joseph Briggs predicts AI could displace 9% of U.S. workers (15 million) over a decade, but expects new job creation to reabsorb them, similar to past technological shifts.
MIT’s Neil Thompson argues AI adoption will be slower than capability growth due to cost, data access, and task complexity; partial automation often shifts labor demand rather than eliminating jobs.
Thompson highlights the “expert vs. inexpert task” distinction
MIT’s Daron Acemoglu expects a small net negative impact on labor (2-4% job loss) within five years, warning that AI investment focused on replacement rather than complementarity could worsen long-term outcomes.
All experts agree that AI’s impact will be gradual, with significant uncertainty about the balance between job destruction and creation.
Summary:
In this episode of Goldman Sachs Exchanges, host Allison Nathan explores AI’s potential impact on jobs with three experts. S. workers over the next decade, but he expects history to repeat itself with new job creation offsetting losses, limiting annual unemployment spikes to under one percentage point.
MIT’s Neil Thompson cautions that AI adoption will lag behind capability improvements due to high costs, data access challenges, and the need for reliable applications. He emphasizes that partial automation often reshapes tasks—automating routine work can raise wages, while automating expert tasks may increase competition but also create more jobs. Thompson views AI as a “rising tide” that workers can adapt to rather than a sudden shock.
Daron Acemoglu (MIT) predicts a smaller net negative impact (2-4% job loss) in the near term, noting that current AI models are better at replacing than complementing workers. He warns that without applications focusing on augmentation, long-term job losses could be larger. All experts agree that AI’s labor effects will be gradual and uncertain, with the key challenge being whether job creation keeps pace with displacement.
FAQs
Near-term, AI is causing a drag of 10,000 to 15,000 jobs per month in sectors like tech, management consulting, and graphic design, but it remains a narrow shock with no major broader economic impact yet.
Under a baseline forecast of 15% productivity uplift from full AI adoption, about 9% of US workers (around 15 million) could be reallocated to new positions over a decade, similar to past automation waves.
No, because history shows technology creates more jobs than it destroys. With 30 million jobs created annually in the US, even a small acceleration in new job creation can reabsorb displaced workers.
AI capabilities are only one step; adoption requires cost-effective systems, access to information, and economic attractiveness, which slows implementation, especially for small businesses and less critical tasks.
If AI automates less expert tasks, workers become more specialized and may earn higher wages. If it automates expert tasks, competition increases, lowering wages but creating more jobs, as seen with GPS and taxi drivers.
He expects small net job losses of 2-4% within five years, as current AI models are better at replacing tasks than complementing workers, except in fields like coding or biological research.
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