How Trumps Are Going Wild as Their World Collapses

Her husband just lost an election in humiliating fashion. The Democrats are going to go after every bit of the grift. Well, more specifically, Trump, Trump's family and Trump's cronies. So Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, the two sons or brothers Grimm, as I refer to them, and Melania, they're all in on it. Do they become even greedier now the clock is ticking? There is no way that they are not going to go after Amazon. Jeff Bezos and Melania Trump. We've got questions. We've all got questions. The crazy thing about this is the country rejected these people overwhelmingly. I'm Joanna Coles. This is the Daily Beast podcast. What a week. I feel like my own voice has dropped an octave. We've been talking about the incredible pushback on Donald Trump that America gave him this week. I am here with the man who knows everything that's going on. All the minutia of the Trump chaos and the Trump recrimination in the White House that's going on right now. Hugh Doherty, the Daily Beast executive editor who has been working his ass off this week. In fact, even our producers who don't drink coffee have started drinking coffee. Yes, we are so determined to cover all this. Hughie, there's no time to waste. I want to get into Lauren Boebert. I want to get into Laura Loomer. I want to get into Pete Hexeth. Is he going to be fired before the weekend? Will he be fired before this evening? What's going on there? Is Marco Rubio really resigning or not? He seems to be speaking out of both sides of his mouth. No surprise there. He's done that before. And we'll be talking about where Donald Trump is going to show up for his interview. But first, ladies and gentlemen, something Michael Wolff has been predicting for some time, which is that every time you see the first lady out there, what is she doing? She's making content for her new documentary. It's a one-tree series. It's a two-parter. The trailer just dropped this morning. Feel free to go onto YouTube, watch it and leave your comments. A lot of people have already left comments. I literally failed to find a single supportive comment for it. So perhaps people will be hate watching it. Hughie, what do we think of the trailer? Should we play a little bit of it? I think we should play a little bit. One thing before we play that trailer, Joanna, I just want to say thank you to everybody who has joined the Daily Beast family. This week, thank you to everybody who's already been in the Daily Beast family. We have had a record number of people subscribing to us. We have had Joanna's amazing four and a half hour marathon. Epic. Marathon. Epic. Livestream on election night. It's so much fun. So much. So great. I wish we'd done six and a half hours. I just want to say, if you're not already subscribed, please join us. We are heading to a million subscribers. We have had a phenomenal week and let's play the trailer. Let's play the trailer. People, get your popcorn, settle back, and enjoy. A new two-part series. Everybody wants to be close to power, and sometimes could be very dangerous. I'm a mother, a wife, also first lady. He's my priority. He will always be my priority. America deserves the best. Their homes were destroyed. It's very devastating. The media, they want gossip. For me, it's noise. On November 20th, experience new, never-before-seen moments. So, what would you like to know? Melania, the series, on November 20th, only on Prime Video. So much, Melania, so much. We have so many questions. So many questions. Michael Wolff has questions in your lawsuit with him. What would your top questions be, Hugh? Where were you on election night? Where were you on election night, Melania? Question number one. How do you feel about Natalie Harp, who was with your husband on election night? And she says. Because she was screening his calls. She was screening his calls, she was indeed. Maybe in case Melania was going to call. Oh, yes, good point. Under she said, you are losing, losing. She has priorities. I mean, it's. To those who do not want to watch this on Amazon Prime, we have Melania's voice right here. And I know the comments are going to be divided now. Of course, because not everybody likes it when I do my accents. Some people write and they say, Joanna's accents don't sound like the person. No, they're not supposed to. They're supposed to simply draw a comedic element to the podcast. But I cannot wait to watch this thing. I've got another question. How much money are you getting for this one? And I've got another one. Have the Democrats subpoenaed you yet? Because they're about to. Oh, lawyer up, Melania. Have you lawyered up? I think we've heard from Melania's lawyers over the years. Fascinating. And also, how do we feel about harmonising her experience as First Lady when she's in the White House in theory, but of course she's never seen? She says she's First Lady. Are you, though, Melania? That would be my first question. Are you actually the First Lady? And why don't you take your duties more seriously? Why are you the least visible First Lady of this entire century? I think there's a load of profound questions there. The most puzzling thing about this, I have to say, is Amazon have given her, already she has taken $10.7 million from Amazon and had to declare it in her husband's filings. I thought it was $17 million. Well, her production company got $28 million. 10.7 went right into the Melania bank account or the Melania and Donald Trump joint bank account. I imagine surely as an old fashioned couple, they have a nice joint bank account, you know, checkbook. I think it's probably in crypto, their bank account, isn't it? Well, if it's Don Jr.'s crypto, sure. Good luck with that. But there's presumably going to be another tranche of cash. But the comments under this YouTube trailer are not charitable and they're not charitable to Amazon Prime and Jeff Bezos. We are showing some of them on screen. For those of you who are listening on Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts, people are saying things like, oh, God. This has got to be an early April Fool's prank. It's bad enough that we got a movie about this lady, but a limited series. it can't be real oh but it can yes oh but it can and I really don't care do you very funny PC Frankie that's a good comment okay I'm going to cancel my Amazon Prime subscription so we're not going to waste our time reading comments there are much better comments on our channel people who comment on our channel are fantastic particularly the Limerick writers I just want to yeah well we have loads of poets on the channel big shout out to them I love reading them but here's the most Here is why we're talking about this. Well, her husband just lost an election in humiliating fashion. The thing that people said in exit polls when they were walking out, what are the issues? Cost of living, affordability, the economy, that one big tranche of things, depending on how you classify it in exit polls. And then they said corruption. Corruption, right. This feeling that people are making money, people are making money out of being in government. It's as if they're all they've got their hand out for as much cash as they can get. And I wonder if that speeds up and becomes even, do they become even greedier now the clock is ticking? Well, you know, if you're doing a cash grab and you know the clock is ticking, I imagine it's like Supermarket Sweep where you get more ambitious when you're pushing, you know, you're pushing around in Supermarket Sweep or Guy's Grocery Games or whatever. But this isn't a game show. This is real life. There's already a serious amount of money has gone to Melania. There was no scrutiny. The Republicans weren't doing any oversight. And that's another aspect of this election. People said, hold on. Your job is to hold people accountable, to be a check and a balance on power. Now we have Democrats who are determined. They have already said some of the targets for subpoenas. Those targets already include Donald Trump Jr. because of his extraordinary business dealings. There is no way that they are not going to go after Amazon, Jeff Bezos, and Melania Trump for this, I'm going to say, extraordinary documentary. We've got questions. And this is, but this is also the crazy thing about this is the country rejected these people overwhelmingly, and they're back. This podcast is sponsored by Brodo. 11 years ago, chef Marco Canora started selling hot broth from his New York restaurant window, and I used to get it. 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additional ten dollars off if you use our promo code beast and clearly they knew this was going to drop perhaps melania knew i don't know if donald trump knew but but i tend to look at the world through the lens of the seven deadly sins and of course in their vanity and greed and this seems like both i was fascinated by the fact that the documentary reminds me very much of the dimash shelley a patrick dimash elio photograph iconic photograph of princess diana in black and white it was on the cover of a book uh and of course melania loves the people that have gone before remember when she copied from michelle obama's speech right this is very much a picture it even looks the hair even looks like diana's hair and yet melania actually has fairly iconic hair herself so a weird thing and of course using brett ratner uh who was metooed out of hollywood and has shown up back in mar-a-lago making movies with melania i was going to say that um i i'm not a female fashion person as you are joanna i was getting a bit of elizabeth holmes oh elizabeth holmes because of the black turtleneck um which is you know kind of an unfortunate thing but look um we're talking about it not because this is going to be a great piece of television i think it's probably not just as a spoiler i'm not going to um but because well it's going to be like a long instagram picture that's what it's going to be like a long instagram scroll which is what the movie was right and this is a lens into a family that is maybe not denial is not the right term but just you know sort of trying to go on as if nothing happened and that's the weird her husband has had an even weirder week of you know i don't as i say no denial is not quite the right term um but if we look at his week what did he focus on so monday was pool day he went to the reflecting pool and he ranted about how amazing it was and how he'd sorted it all out and how badly obama and biden had failed yes and he said 144 million dollars they've spent on the pool and it's still not working and he had some very specific pictures of pipes and you know and we all remember pool guy who looks like fat tony out of the simpsons um but funnily enough he didn't get a shout out it's funny that but he did the pool on monday and he did the pool on monday and he did the pool on monday and he did uh tuesday oh that was the election day so you know maybe not about let's not talk about that too much but wednesday straight back out going around his crazy ballroom looking at a beam going up as if it was some sort of um you know sacred ceremony on thursday i'm unseen by television cameras because he banned them uh he signed a an order in the oval office which he says will preserve the oval office in its current form forever um among the things he said is it's a there's gold everywhere i mean obviously the next president who comes in is going to tear this stuff off but he is signing an order that he claims will stop them from doing that that only congress can approve changing the oval office congress of course has approved none of his changes and this morning he's got another one that congress hasn't approved he's got an official video of his new triumphal arch okay grab your popcorn again we're going to play you some of the video of the this is a video that donald trump has just dropped let's just remind everybody the world is on fire because of donald trump he's failed to get a peace deal between russia and ukraine which he promised on his first day back in office uh he started a war in iran gus prices are up inflation is not under control masked men are still going around the streets arresting people and throwing them to the ground and splitting up families and here is what your president having failed to well having been as you say widely humiliated here is what he's concerned about today i mean look look at this it's what what is he doing i mean golden light the names of states that he's lost ohio um one nation under god and wait for the next moment the golden age of america so is that what he's do you think this is one of those where it's a little bit like when pete hegseth said they were going to stream live stream at the execution of this court hood yes killer um that that none of this will happen that this is all a distraction this is just to grab people's attention i think it's to grab people's attention i suspect inside the white house this is to try to keep him from throwing things at people and they can get on with knifing each other in peace and quiet while he looks at his videos you know they're giving they're soothing you know they're giving they're soothing um there's there's also for those who cannot see this um you're being spared you know you're being spared an ordeal in some ways um there's a lot of gold and there is a sort of lady liberty with a torch except that she's also winged um and i don't know is that melania's face we can't quite tell um this whole thing i mean who launches a triumphal arch on the weekend on the week that you've got a defeat well donald trump does he doesn't see it as uh he's not going to be able to he doesn't see it as defeat right he keeps saying i wasn't on the ballot this is about them it's not about me i would have won if i'd been on the ballot i would have won no no you wouldn't you've been utterly incompetent as a president we've been banging on about it at the daily beast and now the country has voted your people out and not only have they voted his people out one of the things that people were saying was we are sick of hearing from you we are sick of you occupying your space and the airwaves and the time and i know we are you say we're hypocritical we're talking about that but we're talking about the man with the nuclear codes and we're offering insight and analysis he's just talking he's just talking he just wants attention and on the subject of just talking we also learned what he's going to do to break his silence has trump ever broken his silence no there's never been a silence i've never been any silence but he's go ahead we know that this morning at the white house he is sitting down with 60 minutes um with their new correspondent ross duffett a man who is from the right wing uh who's been installed by cbs's new leadership um barry weiss as the supposed star of 60 minutes um he is a tv news virgin he has never done a television news interview of this magnitude before he interviewed last week mike rogers the michigan loser and abdul el saeed the victor in michigan but on nothing this scale he's going to go and sit down this morning with donald trump see that in 60 minutes on sunday i mean to be fair to ross duffer he's done plenty of interviews with people over the time he's a perfectly experienced journalist he's less experienced on television and that's one of the things that barry weiss said she wanted she wanted people who didn't have television experience to and she doesn't have television experience and unfortunately that's been reflected in the cbs ratings yes and um trump obviously feels like he's got a lot of attention and he feels that cbs is now a more friendly place for him than it has been in the past the last time he was interviewed by 60 minutes was of course a catastrophe um because he you know he went off he went off the rails basically with leslie stahl leslie stahl the great leslie stahl who we had the great joy of honoring this week at the daily beasts power 100 powered by uber our partner in this she really is a beacon of uh truth and independence and she talked a lot about how disappointed she was that the ratings for 60 minutes had fallen off she felt that viewers had stepped away in protest against the new ownership and she very much hoped that people came back that she and her colleagues had spent some time deliberating about whether or not to leave the show but they felt so strongly about it that they decided to stay and she really urged people to to check back in with them uh but she said she is remarkable i mean her career has been incredible the room was packed with people uh there to pay homage to her and uh she's an incredible speaker she's got a great sense of humor and well it was just a joy to have her in the room and she will not be interviewing donald trump because he donald trump now is the people around him are clearly trying to insulate a bit we are saying yeah let's go to the ballroom we'll sort we'll help you out Let's go and put up a video about your triumphal art. People will be really into that. Let's get you in front of 60 Minutes. That's because he's a 60 Minutes viewer. Let's just remember that. He is bang on the demographic that grew up with 60 Minutes. He's watched it forever. Well, and I'm sure they were terrified of the idea of having someone older than Donald Trump interviewing him because it will make him look so much older. Leslie is 84 and sharp as a tack. I think having her interview him would make him look terrible. I mean, Michael Wolff's been talking to people in the White House, all of whom have said this week he seems older. Wednesday, he seemed older and quieter. And he's clearly been knocked by these election results. I think the stuffing's been knocked out of him and you can see it. You can see it. And increasingly, you can feel it because around him, we now have a cabinet which has, you know, it's got people who are trying to get out and it's people who get it. It's got people who are trying to. And there is one person, as we know, as everybody knows, that everybody thinks is target number one. It's Pete Hegseth. That will come as no surprise. If anybody was like, who's he talking about? Who's he talking about? Pete Hegseth. Pete Hegseth has had this extraordinary 24 hours and is still going this morning. He, you know, has overseen and pushed this disastrous war. J.D. Vance came out and said, What's the problem? The problem is the war. And he kind of said it like, you know, I got soaked on my way to work today. And you go, oh, the weather, it's a nightmare. He said, oh, this war is so bad. That war was started by the president. Right, a war of choice. Your boss, J.D. Vance. A war of choice. And Pete Hegseth, of course, for Pete Hegseth, he pushed that war. He is supposed to be enacting it. And this morning, late yesterday afternoon, he came out with his own video. Everybody's doing videos. He came out. He came out with his own video standing outside the Pentagon, which, of course, you can see his preferred pronouns for it behind him. Department of War. Just a hint, it is not the Department of War. It is the Department of Defense. It can only have its name changed by Congress. Yes. And he basically pleaded for his job. And we have got some of that here. This is not about me. But, of course, the other side, in case you've noticed, they're obsessed. A disgruntled, defeated congressman, along with all the other congressmen, along with all his Democrat allies, has also dropped sham articles of impeachment against yours truly. Just like they tried against President Trump twice. You see, their policies don't work, so their obsession with political theater disguised as power drives them to try to destroy their opponents. It's all about the politics of personal destruction. Didn't work against President Trump, and it won't work with me. You can rest assured of that. 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As you mentioned earlier, Joanna, he wanted a public execution. He got one. Oh, very good, Hugh. Live streaming. Live streaming. And that's, you know, here he is. This was obviously orchestrated. Probably by his wife, who is a former Fox News producer, who we learned this week has been on the payroll of a defense contractor. It's disgraceful. Again on the grift. Yeah, and again on the grift. He has been supported on Twitter by his father. He's enlisted his family. Remember, he's got his emotional support brother who hangs around as well. And he's fighting to try and stay in the cabinet. And Trump has offered some, let's say, I don't know if support's the right word, but we can hear Trump's own words. Yes, when asked if he was going to get rid of Pete Hegseth, here's how he defended his secretary of war. Are you considering replacing Secretary Hegseth? No, I think he's doing a very good job. So you don't want him to fill Marshall Black or the Senate to be appointed? Well, I think he's doing a very good job. And I actually think he'd be very popular if he did that. But I haven't heard that at all. So we know he's. He's not doing a very good job. They thought that the war was going to last three or four weeks, five, six weeks at tops, where now in November the war started at the end of February and there's no way out. The Strait of Hormuz is still a mess. People's energy prices are up. America is running out of munitions. And Donald Trump is calling round his band of advisers, the people that still take his calls, saying, what do you think of Pete? Pete Hegseth, which is a sign for I'm about to get rid of him. What do you think? And in that response that Trump gave, he was asked a very specific question about Marsha Blackburn. Marsha Blackburn is the senator for Tennessee, but she has just won the race to governor down there. And there is an opportunity here that she then has to appoint a successor as senator. And Pete Hegseth has moved with his. He's a very complicated family to Tennessee. You mean three wives and seven children? Three wives, seven. There's three wives, there's seven children. You know, it's like, you know, I was going to say band of brothers, but I guess they'd have run out of equipment if Pete Hegseth was in charge. But he moved to Tennessee. His megachurch pastor is down there. He's from Minnesota. He used to live in New Jersey. This is not a guy from the South. This is not a guy from MAGA country. He's kind of retreated to, you know, like a lager, like the South Africa. The Afrikaners call it. And he has clearly been jockeying to get the Senate seat. It would get him out of the Department of Defense. It would put him beyond the reach of subpoenas. And it would set him up, like we've talked about this before, quite possibly as somebody to run for president, because that's what he thinks. Do you think Marsha Blackburn wants Pete Hegseth there? Well, we are learning this morning, Joanna, that in fact, Marsha Blackburn does run for president. She doesn't want anything to do with this, or at least her aides don't want anything to do with this. They don't need a toxic MAGA figure in the Tennessee seat, the Senate. She's got allies down there that she wants to give favors to. She needs to build friends. And everybody, everybody in the MAGA, or everybody in the Republican Party, I should say, is conscious that MAGA got defeated, that the Republican Party obviously still exists. Here we have one of the, you know, the existing. One of the few winning Republican governors. They don't need to go MAGA. They need to build outside. They need to build friends. They need to bring people in. And if you're in Tennessee, you're looking at the geography and going, hold on. Nearby are red to blue states. That could happen here. Tennessee has Nashville. Nashville is a large and growing city. And it has seen a lot of people move to Nashville, rather like Pete Hegseth. From blue states. Well, then it's a little bit like the Austin. Austin is the blue dot in Texas. Nashville is the blue dot in Tennessee. And for years, people said, oh, Austin's this liberal blue dot. Texas is red. Texas is blue. North Carolina, same thing. Texas is blue. There's one person left. There's one Republican left in a lawmaking role or a government role. He's the only statewide elected Republican. Ted Cruz. The most popular man. Well, hold on. Ted Cruz. Who must be, because he's up for reelection in two years. And he's up in two years. Right. And I should think Ted Cruz is now thinking, oh, my goodness, what am I going to do? Well, another dilemma for Ted Cruz here. He was clearly thirsting to run for president. But if Ted Cruz runs for president, that Senate seat becomes, you know, if he has to drop out. Gina Hinojosa, the first left in America and female governor. Yep. And if she doesn't get to appoint somebody. James Tallarico won by a margin that is absolutely huge. And do we seriously think the Republicans are going to get a new Republican in that seat back and run? I mean, poor old Ted Cruz probably has to run for the Senate again, knowing that he might lose, but he's got the best chance of winning. I wonder if Jasmine Crockett would run for it. Jasmine Crockett, who lost in the primary to James Tallarico. Yes. But was there an effective congresswoman? Yeah, that's got to be. That's got to be possible because. I'm also Clearly, there's a blue uplift. And she is not popular necessarily with James Tallarico because she kind of didn't endorse him. I mean, she didn't pull a Hayley Stevens. She did not go full Hayley Stevens. But she wasn't fulsome about his campaign. She was not, yes. But here we have, just to go back to Pete Hegseth, he thought he could do this chicken run to the Senate. He can't. Now, he's like, you have to keep me in my job. But the thing that he's talking about is that next week, Thomas Massey has said he is going to bring those articles of impeachment in front of the House of Congress, the House of Representatives. And he, Thomas Massey, is confident that he will get enough votes. That means that Republicans will vote to impeach Hegseth or that so few Republicans will turn up that the Democrats will all turn up and impeach Pete Hegseth. And then it goes to the Senate, right? And this is even worse for Pete Hegseth because the Republicans in the Senate, who are there until January the 3rd in the lame duck, there are some of them who just hate him. Tom Tillis has been out this week, very, very public about his absolute despising of Pete Hegseth. If an impeachment vote comes up in the Senate, Tom Tillis hasn't said necessarily that he would vote to convict, but it certainly sounds like he would. Well, and he's got nothing to lose now because he's on his way out. Mitch McConnell can still vote. Well, there'll be a lot of Republicans looking at this and thinking. Bill Cassidy? Right. Well, Bill Cassidy's outgoing, right? These are the outgoing set. Right. So they've got Tom Tillis going out. You've got Mitch McConnell going out. You've got Bill Cassidy. Yep. And John Cornyn. You've got John Cornyn. So you've got four who might well vote against him. You've also. And who are no longer going to be. I'm sorry to keep interrupting you, but who are no longer going to be afraid of Trump. Right. I mean, the crazy thing is how afraid people have been of this man, who is. Who is the wizard of Oz. Yes. And on top of that, you've got Republicans who thought that they were assured another term and who have not been assured another term, who've been kicked to the curb. John Husted got that round, peachy ass of his kicked. He was weeping when he lost in Ohio. He doesn't owe Hexeth anything. In fact, Hexeth has made that guy look. He's a long-term Ohio politician. He's made him look like a weepy fool. Like, you were this hero quarterback and now there's video. Video of you weeping. But also, all of them know that the war was a terrible idea. All of them know it was a terrible idea to rename the Department of Defense, the Department of War. All of them were appalled, I think, when they saw Pete Hexeth lecturing the generals in his first state of the force speech. And then in his second one saying, no fatties, no beardos, no weirdos, no trannies. I mean, you know, they all have service people living in their constituents. Who are appalled by this. And we don't know what would happen if articles of impeachment were to reach the Senate. But what we know is that it would be incredibly uncomfortable at the minimum. And if you're Pete Hexeth, what a way to enter history. You know, to be impeached and maybe to be convicted. That is, I mean, that's just a beyond disgraceful end to anybody's political career. There's no coming back from that. Even for a man who. Who, as Michael Wolff reminds us constantly, Roger Ailes, the founder of Fox News, used to refer to Pete Hexeth, who was, as we know, a weekend co-host, as Colonel Vodka. Colonel Vodka. Of course, he was never even a colonel. And I know every time we have mentioned that Colonel Vodka nickname in the comments. Yeah, people always say, he wasn't a colonel, he wasn't a colonel. That was a promotion. Yes. Colonel Vodka, we're talking about. A National Guard major, no tabs Pete, as Michael Daly discovered he was known as. So, I mean. No tabs. Pete Hexeth. Pete Hexeth is kind of the tip of the spearhead, which is where he's always wanted to be, right? The tip of the spearhead of this attempt to work out another act. The other person trying to work out another act is Marco Rubio. And he, as you said in the introduction, Joanna, talking out of both sides of his mouth. There are leaks that he is going to resign. And then there is a denial in public that he would never think about resigning. But. So, what's he doing there? Is he trying to get feedback from people? He's trying to get his kind of circle of advice is to say, this is the moment for you to go. You need to launch your own campaign. You've got to separate from Donald Trump and J.D. Vance. Yes. And it might be easier for him as Secretary of State to go than it is for J.D. Vance to go as Vice President. Yeah, I think he's what in tech they call A-B testing. A-B testing. If you put it out there and you see what one people react to better and. If I were Marco Rubio, I would run for the hills, get back to the Acropolis, get back to the Acropolis and do what you want. What you were trying to do before Kimberly Guilfoyle interrupted your best plans to essentially announce you were running for president. As I was saying before, I was so rudely interrupted. By a terrible election for my party and Kimberly Guilfoyle demanding her $100,000 Amex bill be paid off. And I want to give a shout out to Eric Dieters. Eric Dieters, who came on the Daily Beast podcast and basically just showed us how it was done, how Kimberly demanded money. How he was paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for Eric Trump and Donald Trump to appear at his Freedom Festival in Kentucky. And by the way, poor old Marco, of course, lives in Miami. And guess where Kimberly Guilfoyle has just turned up? She's turned up in Miami? Yes. You know, I wonder if she's trying to meet Bolsonaro. Oh, yeah, she could be. She's like, Bolsonaro's there, right? She's probably trying to. Bolsi's probably got some money stashed away. I'm after Bolsi. She is hanging out with her ex-husband. Not that ex-husband, her second ex-husband. I was going to say, not Gavin Newsom. Not Gavin Newsom, no. And she was never technically married to Don Jr. They were engaged. Yes. No, as one of my colleagues pointed out, that she has an ex in every port. And she's docked with Eric Valencia, her second ex-husband in Florida. And father of her child. And father of her child, yes. But poor old Marco, you know. If I were Kimberley, Kimberley, can I just give you some advice? I would go down to Palm Beach and just start haunting Don Jr. Just start haunting him. Show up in restaurants. Pay off Maitre D's to let you know when he's there. And just turn up. Well, if anybody knows how to do payoffs, it's somebody who's got a hundred grand. Exactly. Exactly, yeah. We should check back in with Eric Dieters because I do think he. I mean, this has been an election death by a thousand cuts. But he was definitely a recent and relatively. A relatively deep cut because he just went apeshit. Yes. And, you know, we're talking about these huge margins that Democrats ran up. We all know now the polls were broadly right, directionally right. In fact, they were, you know, they were pointing to democratic wave. They weren't pointing to the democratic wave on the scale it was. And it's up to historians to work out this, all the factors that caused it. But every day for the last, I don't know, three, four months, there has been another story that speaks to the issues about affordability and the issues about corruption. And every day has brought something. You're like, oh, my God, I can't believe that. Eric Dieters was amazing. It blew open the greed. It blew open the grift. And how many voters did it move? Well, ultimately, we don't know. But it was part of the creation of this atmosphere in which people are going to vote saying, oh, the grift. Actually, I'm really offended by it. Holiday travel is stressful enough without a suitcase adding to it. And during the holidays, your suitcase might be carrying more than usual. Your passport, laptop, favorite outfits or even gifts you're bringing home. 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In fact, people do care when they see you doing this. And also the other signal to us was that people, people were leaking, people within these tight circles around the president, around the president's family and his friends and his major advisors were beginning to leak incredibly damaging stories. Yes. I mean, the Kimberly Guilford story was a steady drip of poison. And then, of course, there was the leak about Donald Trump's wedding having been paid for by Umar Kremlev, you know, an oligarch and close connection to Putin. And even Donald Trump was embarrassed by this. that and said Donald Trump Jr. had to pay back. the cost of the wedding party, which Bettina, his new wife, had said, oh, lots of friends, lots of people do this for their friends. They really don't, Bettina. They really don't. But your father was an advisor to Jeffrey Epstein. He was a financial advisor to Jeffrey Epstein. So we're not going to take your advice, actually. And we're not going to take your defense of taking all that money for your wedding party. And then Don Jr. went hunting with this guy as well in Mongolia. Oh, yes. Is that an excuse to show those wonderful pictures of Don Jr. with the falcon on his arm and an absurd fur hat? Though I will say I've worn the occasional absurd hat. When you were hunting in Mongolia with a Russian oligarch. No, never, never, never knowingly met a Russian oligarch. Oh, I have. But that's a different story. Oh, well, you used to work for one. I used to work for one. Yes. I'll just say before people get at me in the comments, I worked for one. For a newspaper in London called The Evening Standard, a great institution in the capital of the United Kingdom. And I'm very proud that I worked for The Evening Standard. And in a rather bizarre turn of events, it was purchased by a Russian oligarch who had been a former KGB station chief and by his son, a flamboyant figure who purchased this newspaper and sadly ran it into the ground. I escaped without. without being stuck in a gulag. But it was a bizarre, bizarre turn of events. And my advice to anybody thinking about hanging out with Russian oligarchs, don't. Well, I was going to say don't be near a window. Oh, yeah, definitely don't. Don't go near the windows. It's always interesting to hang out with people on the edges of things, I think, and oligarchs are very much on the edge. If you're hanging out with somebody on the edge, don't go near the edge. Well, I was just going to say, yeah, don't go near the window edge. Anyway, so can we talk a little bit about some of those marginal figures around MAGA? Lauren Bober, the congresswoman who looks like she's lost her seat now in Colorado, which was gerrymandered specifically. Well, I mean, she moved to a different district so that she could bring it home, the vaping, groping congresswoman from Colorado who issued a statement saying today, oh, well, I've got other things to do in my life. I'm a mom. I'm a grandmom. She's 39. Great. She's a woman of faith. And she's like, I'm a woman of faith, faith to faith, glory to glory. I don't know what that means. I do not know what that means, Lauren Bober. But what is the expression? Close the door on the way out. Yeah, right. Who cares? Go back to vaping in the movie house and deny it. It was worse than vaping. Was it worse than vaping? What's worse than vaping? Well, it was an R-rated performance at that musical. Well, I was going to say it was Beetlejuice that she went to see. It was Beetlejuice the musical. So perhaps she found it arousing. Anyway, Lauren, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I'll tell you what's not been aroused in Lauren is a thumping election victory. Her, she's in the Colorado 4th District. And the margin between her and the challenger, Eileen Lobacker, is so tight, so tight. She is behind by 0.9%. But I thought there was 1,700 votes in it. Or last time I looked, there were 1,700 votes in it. There's a tiny number of 1,700. But there are still, of course, ballots coming in. Normally, this doesn't matter. Normally, it's all very fixed. Of course, we all remember Lauren Bolbert, a classic election denier. Guess what she's doing? She's going true to form. She's denying. True to form, in denial. Scott Gessler, her attorney, says, we're investigating some very unusual voting patterns and expect this election to head to recount one way or another. I don't know what he means by unusual voting patterns, that people voted against her. This district, she had actually changed district. Her first district, people fell out of love with her. So she moved 300 miles across the Rockies into another district. As if perhaps nobody had heard of her on that side of the Rockies. Exactly. I'm new here. You don't know me. Surprise. And she moved into the 4th Electoral District of Colorado, which is on the west side of the Rockies. And it was, Donald Trump won it 57 to 39. So 18 points. And right now, it doesn't look, it looks very possible that she's going to lose. And she's shouting cheat and election denying. She's actually, so far, she's the only one that's called, that's been shouting election denial because this has just been so stunningly comprehensive. But she's going for it. And there is a danger here, of course, that she activates the Trump crazies from last time, that she, she motivates them to think that there is election cheating going on, which we know there was not. I mean, the calls of election cheating have been so much fainter, though. And of course, she fell foul of Donald Trump because she was one of the three women that demanded he release the Epstein files. Yes. And it's a kind of, it's kind of a funny, you know, sort of, she's, she's now echoing his language despite having broken with him in the Epstein files. Is she MAGA? Is she not? You know, she's, she's kind of out there alone now. Well, and she was the one they took into the Situation Room and apparently shouted at her. And she was like, nope, these files need to come out. Yes. Kind of, you know. But she could have had a moment there where she reinvented herself as a sort of independent style Republican, having been slavish to Donald Trump. And she didn't do what Marjorie Taylor Greene did, which was to leave the party and say, this is bullshit. You've done everything that you said you weren't going to. Or what Thomas Massey, who we were just discussing in the Hegseth moment, did. And he got primaried. And who came out on top there? You know, people look at Thomas Massey and say, this is a guy who has very conservative beliefs, but clearly has moral clarity. Something that people, when they went into the voting booths, were saying, there's no moral clarity here. It's bad for the economy, but the corruption, the lack of clarity, the lack of moral clarity is a problem. And poor old, Lauren Boebert now, looks like she's paying, she's paying, I was going to say she's paying an extreme price. I mean, let's be honest, she's got more, she's got other things. She's got faith to faith and glory to glory. She's got a messy family life. She's just looking for something to do. And she's looking for another grift, I think. Yes. And, you know, we're talking about these, the marginal figures, this grotesquery that like, I mean, Victorian novelists have never come up with a cast that we've seen around Trump. Well, I would argue with you there. And I would just say that Dickens foresaw all, because he is my favourite author. Fair enough. Fair enough. But he didn't have live streaming and YouTube rumble shows. And it's possible that even Dickens didn't come up with a character as grotesque as Laura Loomer. No. Laura Loomer. I would challenge Dickens on that one. Yep. Laura Loomer, I'm sure everybody now knows her name. She is a MAGA, do you know what? There isn't even a word. There isn't a single word that encompasses what she's done. She's a social media troll. She has the ear of the president. Right. She whispers poison about people in his circle. I was going to say, is there a word, because she thinks she's an influence, right? And she certainly has had influence over Donald Trump. She absolutely has. And one of her, one of the things that she did was she sort of carved out a unique role for herself because she would go through doggedly, myopically go through the social media accounts of people that Trump had. And she would find anything, even a like that they had made to another person's Instagram post or Twitter, a Twitter post, and then tell Donald Trump and suggest a complete disloyalty to him, whereupon he would fire them. I think she's proudly responsible of 16 firings of people because at one point or another, they had liked someone's tweet. And she's got this weird name, right? Loomer, L-O-O-M-E-R, she would then post loomered as if it was a verb. There is actually, I occasionally, to those who do not know I'm Scottish, I try and keep it discreet, but we've actually got a word in Scotland that has just sprung to mind. Yeah. And the word is clipe. Clipe. A clipe. K-L-I-P-E or C-L-I-P-E. Probably C. Right. A clipe is an informer and a particularly mean minded one. Right. And I haven't thought about that word since school. I haven't thought about that word since school. Right. But. You're a clipe. You're a clipe. Right. You're a clipe. Well, Laura Loomer is loomering herself. She's loomered herself. She's had to cancel her podcast. And, you know, obviously we're in the podcasting industry here. We wish no ill to other podcasters. Of course not. Of course. And yet. And yet. And yet. She is live. She's not live. She's twice a week on Rumble. Rumble is this free speech and quote marks network. Heavily propped up by a load of by MAGA billion MAGA adjacent billionaires. And she was on there twice a week. We do have a couple of we've got a clip, actually, of one of her hit shows when she went to Guantanamo Bay with the exit. Oh, Lordy, Lordy. Let's play it. Because we are hunting you like we hunted Al Qaeda and ISIS in the Middle East with the same networks and the same intelligence and the same capabilities. And that's why we've seen drug flows in the water drop dramatically. They're trying to find new roads. Doesn't mean they're going to stop. I mean, what fun to go with. Pete Hegseth to Guantanamo. Can you imagine anything less like one? Many in the MAGA movement now disappointed that they returned. Right. Couldn't they just have stayed there? So I think it's fair to say that Laura Loomer, despite her closeness to the president, at one point she was travelling with him on Air Force One. She's been in the Oval Office. She's been omnipresent in some ways. And she's a close friend of Natalie Harb's. And she has been very supportive of Natalie Harb. And the other person supportive of Natalie Harb is Katie Miller, the wife of Stephen Miller, the deputy chief of staff, who, as Michael Wolff revealed on Inside Trump's Head, is in fact quite possibly off the island. But other than that, Loomer doesn't have a lot of defenders because she's gone after so many people. Well, she's also sort of, I mean, she was certainly, I mean, she got into a spat with someone this morning about the fact that he said you're just paid to make your posts and I used to pay you. Yeah, and this was really telling because this guy, Alex Bruscovitz, ran a lot of the Trump social media accounts and they reposted, they retweeted Laura Loomer's posts. So he is basically suggesting that when you looked in the past on these Trump social accounts, they were not organic. She wasn't declaring, you know, if you go on social media, you'll often see a declaration that this is a sponsored post or, you know, this post is brought to you or promoted by an outfit and whoever, you know, a company, an advertiser. Didn't say that. It looked like it was Laura Loomer's opinion. She has a following inside the very core of the MAGA movement. So it turns out that was for sale and that Trump was buying. So we are getting an insight into one of the things that I think people thought was, oh, these people really are popular. They really do have that many likes. They really do. They really do. They really do have that many followers. I think we're getting a bit of the Wizard of Oz behind the scenes here now of this was paid for. This was purchased. These organic posts were not organic. And, you know, it's like astroturfing, as they call it. This idea of fake grassroots popularity. Oh, is that what it's called? Astroturfing. I didn't know that. What a brilliant term for it. Fake grassroots popularity. I love it. So Laura Loomer actually issued her own statement. Which I read only because it's hilarious. I've been going nonstop supporting President Trump at real Donald Trump ever since he came down the golden escalator. I've been running on empty for so long. Yes, you have, Laura. Yes, you have. A moral vacuum is empty. So, yeah. Family, my personal life, my upcoming wedding, a healthy work-life balance and just the act of having a life outside of my show and my work have all been on hold. So I'm, I'm taking a hiatus. Yay! Laura Loomer is taking a hiatus. She is recharging. She's refocusing on her personal life. She says her partner deserves more. Now, this is a partner that she said if the choice was between her partner and Donald Trump, she would always choose Donald Trump. But now Donald Trump is a loser. Laura Loomer is stepping aside. Yeah. So bad news, Laura Loomer's partner, she's going to be around a bit more often. And she says she deserves to be happy. We deserve to be happy together at this time in our lives. Yes, you do, Laura. And we deserve to be happy. But she reassures she'll still be watching U.S. politics like a hawk. I'll still be paying attention. She says fully supporting Donald Trump, breaking news, commenting on news, doing research, and I'll be around. I will be present. I always am. Strange. But I won't be doing my show for a while. I'll be back when the time is right. I mean, what can one say? I was, I'm almost speechless. Do you think she's cancelling her show because nobody was paying attention to her show? Well, I think, let's be honest, nobody was paying attention. Also, we got a hint here, right, from Alex Bruskovitz. Nobody's buying her posts anymore. Nobody's paying her. Nobody's paying her. This MAGA thing has all been a money train for so many people for so long. And the money train, it didn't just come off the rails. It went right into the canyon, like in some sort of, you know, Buster Keaton movie. So you know who else came off the rails? And he's only, he was only elected off the rails. Can we talk about our little man up, upstate? Anthony Constantino. Who had J.D. Vance have to go up and rescue him J.D. Vance went to campaign for him. Don Jr. went to campaign for him. And we should remind people this is Elise Stefanik's old seat. Yes. So we remember Elise Stefanik who prostrated herself for Donald Trump. And then he completely abandoned her. He promised her that she was going to get the UN ambassador and then he gave that to Mike Waltz after Mike Waltz had disgraced himself by including the editor of the Atlantic on a signal gate classified chain about bombing in Iran. I mean, an amazing reward for someone who was utterly incompetent and Elise Stefanik who'd managed to actually have a very effective attack on the three university presidents. You will remember Harvard, MIT, and Harvard. Penn, right? Where she forced them to confront some things that had been going on on campus and actually drove out the president of Harvard and drove out the president of Penn has been left high and dry. So she's given up her Congress seat and I'm sure is hurtling herself into business in some way. If anybody wants to hire her, I can't imagine who would. But if anybody did want to. We've got news on that. But yes. We've got news that she can be hired. We can come to Elise Stefanik's future in a second. Okay. But can we just go back to Alex? I've just got to say it what I love about the MAGA world is there's no world like it because one guy accidentally includes somebody in a signal chat and it's like you remember the butterfly wings causing a hurricane? Yes, chaos across the world. And the chaos is just like chaos is just rippling out and we have the latest reason the latest part of this chaos from the new congressman for the 21st district of New York. We can't play the whole of his speech because it went on for 13 years. 13 minutes. But we do have some moments from it. Listen you scumbags telling people the truth he can't even say what percent of the farm he owns but you wouldn't say that because you're a bunch of fucking assholes. How would you feel if you just had to spend 17 million dollars because you guys are a bunch of lying assholes? It's okay. It's a new day in America. So you've got children in the audience here. I mean actually what is quite clever is they've made up their flag behind him out of hard hats. Yes. But it's not a very enthusiastic crowd for him. He's got similar star on his hat to my t-shirt actually. Oh dear. If he's watching he could tell me where he put his hat on. He might be watching Joanna because he is actually a Daily Beast reader. Thank you for reading Anthony Constantino. He read our story and our story we'll put a QR code up as well but our tiny Trumpy Rhett launches vile attack on young women. Because as you heard in that clip he was shouting asshole and among the people that he was shouting about he was attacking a 33 year old reporter up there Kate Lisa who he described also as evil and we reported on this and he doesn't like our coverage very much but thank you for reading. He does not however challenge our characterisation of him as tiny. Well he is tiny. He is. He's tiny and he's unfortunate. But he's scraped in he's scraped in and he's not in the district that Trump won by 20 points. Well actually Joanna I have to slightly just tiny tiny note there he has claimed victory the Democrat has not conceded and it does look like he's going it does look like he's going to win but there are still postal mail-in ballots and provisional ballots to be counted and the Democrats therefore are not entirely ruling out that Anthony Constantino's congressional career could be very short. Very very short as short as he is. As short as he is in fact. Possibly yes and we've got a picture of him up beside Mike Johnson who as everybody knows isn't very tall and by the way I just want to say I'm not particularly tall this is not punching down it's kind of pointing out the obvious although it is literally punching down in this case. Well he's a little rocket man I mean he he sent us a very abusive text I noticed didn't he or an abusive response but I was just going to say that Elise Stefanik his predecessor she's a very she managed to get into a civil war with the failed Republican governor's gubernatorial candidate for New York as well. Bruce Blakeman Bruce Blakeman who we talked about last week was married to Nancy Cheval who's now married to Paul McCartney and just totally out of the blue Bruce Blakeman tweeted that Elise Stefanik was lazy Elise Stefanik responded to him and she responded I know this is a tough time and a tough loss in New York and I imagine it takes time to process I will cut some slack as I have never lost any of my seven elections absolutely vicious and it's kind of hilarious because you know if you're a Republican in New York you're a bald man it's like bald men fighting over combs they get absolutely smoked by Kathy Hochul the Democratic incumbent governor she won two thirds to one third and now they're all fighting with each other and And, you know, she's been succeeding. by um the i don't know the the kim jong kim jong-un of upstate new york it's an absolutely extraordinary and absurd prospect it does have a serious thing though that anybody that wants to run as a republican next time around that's your that's your allies that's the supporters that's what people are seeing on television and on their social media um they're not you know thinking oh those are graceful people who've responded with uh you know with uh with elegance and they're responding to this defeat by self-reflection right they're fighting each other well and it's not the respect that you expect from public servants no no none of this we don't expect a public servant and no disrespect his outfit joanna but to turn up um for his election victory uh dressed in what appears to be a personalized he looks like he's trying to emulate a rapper well it's funny you should mention that because he actually brought a rapper who performed a rap at the end of the show a trumpy rapper a sort of um timu post malone right who did a pro pro trump rap a pro trump rap right i mean it's like ali g or something you can't you can't make it up i mean you cannot make it up it it's it's this this rapper is available if um if the trumps need a soundtrack for their next um for the next documentary i wonder if the australian musician whose soundtrack was used for the arch the triumphal arch video i think he's it's faded light is the band yes i wonder if they've had their permissions asked for this i find it almost impossible that an australian uh would be okay with because we have so many viewers and listeners in australia we get so many comments from people in australia i find it hard to believe an australian would and especially a musician yes would be okay so we are right now asking the white house um did they seek the permission of tristan barton and his real name he performs um under that uh under that name uh faded light um did tristan barton actually give permission for his music to be used on the video of the triumphal arch it's possible that tristan barton is the kid rock of australia and wants to get on board i don't think so just from listening to the music i don't think so but tristan barton if you're out there if anybody knows anything about tristan barton tristan barton in the comments yeah of yotta yotta apparently um please get in the please get in the comments and tell us because we are really fascinated to know is this yet another infringement of a musician's song by the trump by the trumps it's it's totally possible i mean it'd be a fitting end to the arch that even the music even the music is the arch doesn't have permission and the music doesn't have permission yeah and and donald trump no longer has permission because he's lost the congress and he's lost well he's lost the house and he's lost the senate oh my goodness what a week what a week we are i think it's fair to say we're energized and i am beginning to feel a little energized we were going to give a shout out it would take 30 seconds of indulgence we've got a new coffee shop beside the office we have a new coffee shop i am a fan it's called la cabra which is the goat apparently and um uh i will say there are long lines for it there's staff could move a little faster just a small observation but this morning i had uh a sausage well a sausage in a croissant which i'd never had before it's delicious and also a cardamom bomb uh which was again incredible and unlike everybody in the trump sphere they are not paying us we let we paid them yes this is totally free publicity for our local coffee shop it's 50 yards away so we need to get the wait time down let's get the wait time down guys there's been a blue wave bring down the wait time yes bring down the wait time but it was delicious and on the subject of wait time i cannot wait for inside trump's head tomorrow yes i'll be back with inside trump's head and then we'll be back with dr john gartner talking to us on sunday about how will trump he's he's a psychologist dr john he's going to tell us how people like donald trump who he calls a malignant narcissist that's his actual diagnosis for him cope in defeat how will he spin this will he get worse will he get nasty will he bully more or will he actually some people in his office told michael wolf get quieter and you know just focus on the projects that he actually loves anyway dr john will have his diagnosis michael will be back tomorrow and of course he'll have things to say about the melania trump series and um i want to give a shout out to the daily beast staff who this week have done a sterling job everybody has been working so hard to bring you up to date the election results and i think as importantly the reaction to the election results and i think as importantly the reaction to the election results and i think as importantly the reaction to the election results uh by those who lost and of course by those who won and i wonder if we should go out actually on a clip uh of john ossoff talking about the grift and it's hard to get people to connect to the grift because some of it's complicated inevitably it's complicated but he seemed very much on top of it in this clip which actually i uh bound on michael mcfowell the former russian ambassador uh the american ambassador to russian and um uh he surfaced this clip for me now maybe you saw trump so desperate he's begging putin for diesel but listen to this at the very same time the white house is brokering the sale of billions in russian energy assets to people who fund the trump family and the trump campaign we're talking oil fields refineries gas stations all over the world to be sold to the first family's cronies in a deal brokered and backed by the u.s government y'all remember jared kushner the president's son-in-law the so-called special envoy responsible for diplomacy with russia and in the middle east do you remember the other special envoy steve whitcoff who co-founded the president's crooked crypto business world liberty okay so follow me through on this what jared and steve are doing right now is negotiating with putin to sell billions in russian oil fields and refineries and gas stations to the 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