How To Unite Ireland? - Episode 5

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It's a club because it's a Gammart Spalgelach, via Sugginger Erniemmer, via Gammart Arggdighi Hien, so how will the community class get, could you word any, Ouvvi? - I think probably a lot of our listeners wouldn't have ever heard of the Glamann gang. And I think it's one of the most horrific and harrowing things that's ever happened in the history of Ireland. Would you be able to give us a little bit of a background of that? Was that in the murder triangle? - Well, as we were writing them at Silverbridge 19th of December 1975, they arrived in Silverbridge at our local pub Donnis and murdered Michael Donnis, 13, one of our friends, family friends. Fact is, mother Maria had her 90th birthday yesterday and they had a big function for her, that family suffered so much. And we all suffered as a result. It's a 50th anniversary this year. I actually spoke at an event that they had outside the pub and shop. We've never really got over that because the Glamann gang were current serving members of the RUC and UDR. They just acted with impunity. They killed it and there was 150 people over three or four year period. It meant that every time you went to bed at night, you just did not know if it was gonna be a sledgehammer gonna come through and they're gonna come in. As they did in the Revis, they killed three Revis brothers. And Eugene Revis has spent his life just trying to find out the truth as to why their family was single out because the authorities were headlong in the middle of it really. It was none of the people interestingly, well, wherever way you want to analyze it, none of the people who they targeted were even Republican families. There were all people who were getting on with their lives. You were starting to do well. Oppity takes, as you would call them. That really defined the Revis. And that actually is a term. - Yeah, all of the takes. - They never heard of it. - They were Indians who, I think they're gonna be a bit above their station. There were the people who were targeted and that's exactly what happened. The Revis never had any involvement in anything nor had the donkeys. And like you imagine, 19th of December, people get ready for Christmas. We had just put our Christmas tree up momentarily to come home, about us. And then we get a phone call, daddy and my two brothers had a good time and finally come back. I said, well, what a bit Michael and Michael's dead. - You can explain that. - In 75 I was born, maybe I was born in 67, maybe it was eight, nine. I can explain that to one of your friends maybe our family says to be murdered for what? There's no reason whatsoever. But it's also important to mention that the Protestant community were also suffering. - Oh, I see. - 'Cause then King's murder is just a few weeks later, a week after the Revis, I think it was 15, ordinary decent workmen, murdered in good blood. So I'm not saying that our poor community, both communities suffered. And also those young working class people who came over wearing uniforms at the British Army, so they were equally confused. What are we doing here? - Yes, I'm doing this, I'm doing this. So I'm not looking back on that with any romantic notions that it was a wonderful time, whenever we were fighting the breaths, it was an awful time. And I would never want to go out to it and I would never want that. I have three sons of our own. And again, they are so involved in the J.A. And that the J.A. gives you values, gives you good choices, life choices, makes you part of the community. And I don't think maybe the J.A. has got the credit that it deserves for allowing people to be able to express their Irish identity in an unviolent and very positively during very difficult times. - That's a very positive way, of course, to be looking at the police. The G.A.N. gang is a great documentary, unquire graves that I think is, should be mandatory watching for everybody, 'cause people don't sound so out having a clue. And of course, we don't want to be looking down at the past and pulling at these old wounds, but it's important to acknowledge these things if we're talking about reconciliation. And I know there's an inquiry going on at the minute, isn't there by the G.A.N. gang. Are you hopeful that there will be, I suppose, some kind of acknowledgement, or I know now, obviously, with the Legacy Act, it's very difficult to get any kind of justice. But are you hopeful that something like that is we'll bring reconciliation, will help reconciliation in the community or. - No, because whenever I was, I think it was 2010, I was a member of what you call the Consulate of the Group in the past, it was Bradley, Lordeem's and Dennis Bradley. And I was on that group, and I could really deep understanding us to all of the assisted were there. And it's funny because the Catholic community wanted one truth, the Protestant community wanted justice. The Catholic community wanted to find out why was there all this collusion? Why were innocent Catholics singled out by paramilitary gangs that were colluding with the authorities who were actually picking out targets for them? The Protestant community wanted to find out, we want justice for the fact that our people, our children joined the police in good faith to try and do a job, and they were murdered for just trying to keep law in order. We want justice, we want you to work and find the people who did it in Putnamjil. And our community is still hurting on both sides, and with good reason for that. I'm not trying to say that my community suffered any more than a Protestant community. We all suffered, and one of the biggest number one thing in reconciliation is to say, okay, I have my grievances. I'm gonna park them over there, and I'm going to tell you, the unionist community, that our community did horrendous things on you that we need to apologize to you for first. Yeah. And then when we do that, maybe some trust will emerge between the two communities. Having said that, we have moved on immensely, and then I was 30 or 40 years old. But, when we have to go back to 1987, with the murder of Sean Brown, a GM, and locking up the gates in Belahi to see that even in this modern era, that there's obfuscation and hiding of files, all of the files are in his murder. But we all thought, which is a random sectarian killing have been redacted. So we can't get the detrusive of that. So that's the frustrating thing, trying to get the truth as to why innocent people were killed. There's a great documentary on that on RTE as well that you can watch on the-- - There is four people. - Yeah, and it's a great, I think that's a big thing for the listener. There's so many people probably listening to this, so we're very ignorant to all of these very recent events that have happened, because there is a kind of a sense of, shoving them under the caripers down here, but it's not a nice thing to have to deal with, or to be face with. - Listen, I'm not gonna judge anybody from the South or whether you were living your own lives, trying to get on with struggling through the recessions, the immigration lack of money that existed in the 80s in the South. And the other thing that I think we in the North also have to be understanding of is the reluctance amongst certain people in the South as to why there should be an area here in Ireland. Because a perfect example of that there is Ireland's call. Ireland's call is compromise. So we have our national anthem, which we hold very dearly. It is so important to us. It is our anthem, "Shinnyu, Fena Faila, Tafiya, Ligerin." It is a starry song about the old struggle for Irish freedom. But if, whenever Irish rugby decided, obviously they have never partitioned, but that doesn't represent the unionist community people who want to play for Ireland. So there has to be a compromise in the compromises Ireland's call. Or everybody likes it, but that's what, that sort of compromise we have to be thinking of and considering in an all-Irland scenario. And we have to ask ourselves, how many things are we prepared to give up in order to have this? And we in the North have to understand that people in the 26th countries, this and Ireland's call and go, "Oh my God, I hit that song." And not only that, but if we're going to have Irish unity, there's going to be lots of other things we're going to have to compromise on. I understand sort of why people would say, "To share of one, that or not." Because a lot of the unionist politicians who present themselves in the media don't do so in a wonderfully charismatic way, if we'd make you say, "I would love to have those people and their beautiful expertise in contributing to our political framework." Because they don't do themselves too many favors. No. No. Decision fear. August Camerie Aller and Camerie Luglazka, I know, which they were always like, "Oh, Tanafein, you've mentioned the importance for you of having the GA in your life growing up, but I think as a president that's been maybe the most politically vocal president of the GA, we've ever experienced. What's your, what's your lived experience being like with that and how important to do the GA is, should be plenty of other sides of the border?" The interesting thing is, when you're from the Six Counties, it adds a layer of complexity to being president of the GA because you already have a significant portion of the population in the North-Railib who would be hostile to the GA for many, many reasons. And things that I would be asked to do that are perfectly rational and normal in the 26 Counties are anathema. So, for example, I was asked to give the o-ration at the Sean Tracey Talbot Street. There's a wonderful tradition every time, temporary in an all-out and fine in a 12 o'clock, and I know there in B2A. I was having a hard time. I had to be very careful about what I said that day because people are saying, "What's he doing given that speech?" And then I was asked to speak at Kel Michael, the Kel Michael Amush. And again, T-Shuck has given that speech before. Other people, very prominent people have given that speech before, but because I'm from the North, the arms of an interchoremic, I'd be very careful of what I said. And not to present it, the whole thing about what happened that day in Kel Michael, almost like a dulce at the Chorems, a propatria, more, the Wilfredoan poem. Because what people were killed on that road that day? Families buried loved ones, didn't matter what uniform they were wearing on both sides. And similarly, we should never ever romanticize war. The part of Pierre said, you know, war is a terrible thing would war is not an evil thing is the things that make war nest treated or evil, but war is an evil thing to us. Everything we possibly can to avoid ever creating a scenario where somebody thinks the solution is by kicking in other person's life. Yeah. So why do you feel as an ordinary that you have to be extra careful compared to so-and-art given shocks of those things? Because the unionist community are under siege, they feel they have no friends, they feel they're very easy to offend. I don't know what to say they will find a way of being offended because there's no I think to unscrupulous New York Daring Wollum or they know that if you look at the constituency map of Northern Ireland and if you look at it's all green right up as far as North Antrim East and the constituency of East and East Derry last time round were very very close and if they go the next time round they're in serious trouble and not orange piece of orange is getting even further up in the northeast. All of those things really play into their insecurities and into their fears and if we are serious about you and I had Ireland we have to try and make it as attractive as possible to them by reaching out and seeing you know if we do this in an orderly manner and if we work very close you would use but your lives can be enhanced and you can still be British in a united Ireland that's a big challenge for us. That's why our language has to be so temperate and we have to be so understanding of the things that are important to them like the Ornge order like I have done so much I've reached as a school principal with the Ornge order because the Ornge order people give off to me for equating the Ornge order to the G.A. and I don't but the Ornge order evokes exactly the same sense of community identity all of those values that are important to us as the G.A. it goes to us so it would be folly for us to say the Ornge order just you know yeah I'm a catholic I can't join you know you you you simply cannot just dismiss the Ornge order and say it's this that ideal I wouldn't because people who I know when the Ornge order particularly in the countryside they are proud of the walk as I've said before to give witness to the sincere belief in the reformed faith that's very important to them the Ornge hall is very very important the rebound that they have very important them the same way as our club is important to us our teams are important to us our identity our flag yeah it evokes exactly the same feelings in both communities so that's not dismissed them that's understandable no agree with the sentiment but I mean the Ornge order has in the past been very homophobic been very misogynistic been racist in their views like do we really uh you know there's a line there as well as a civilized first world country can we be putting up with this behavior no we can't no we have to draw a line under racism and homophobia and misogyn of course and I agreed there and and if you look let's say if somebody is religious yeah and if you took one page out of the bible and it was the Ken killing able to see the bible is about the mortar yeah similarly if you look at the history of the J and take out the page where we name ground some of our grounds after what we call patriots but they were called terrorists or we name some of our we have named some of our trophies for example Sam Aguayo was in an IRA revolution he had a car at the all of that they would say the J is the IRA at play what we are what we in the J is try to say is to the unionist if you want to look at us through that lens that's okay go ahead but you will get such a skewed view you'll get the Ken and Abel view of the J. if we want to look at the Ornge order through that lens and it's very easy to do because there's not a lot of it there we're not going to really get any further in terms of understanding and the very first thing which I said which was we have to be able to put ourselves into their world we have to be able to understand the reason why the Ornge order was set up in first place why people have traditionally gone to it and I'm not here trying to justify some of the things that individual members of the Ornge order said so for example last year whenever Hollywood cricket club decided that they wanted to have a reach an outreach day and they reached out to Eastbound Fast GAA and there was going to be a test recessions and some member of some local Ornge large road to statement condemning this now the easy thing for us to do would be to tire the whole Ornge order to say sectarian beggar but let's be a wee bit bigger than that and say that was just one person who wrote that may or may not be indicative of the entirety of the Ornge order please and we have to we have to enter into that understanding in good faith that's the way I was here because one of the things we don't see as well is that I mean here's President GNO standing up for the Ornge order because they don't do it so well themselves is that every year those people are bringing hundreds of thousands for charity they're really a hundred thousands of charity they never ask you are you a Catholic charity or a Protestant charity just if you're a charity and you play to them they will give you money and just let's have a little greater understanding us to this incredibly diverse society to be on and part of that is to say to the Ornge order you can be an Ornge man in United Ireland you can march to Rosnola you can march wherever you want and Rosnola is a perfect example of the tolerance of the 26 countries very confident people you can see we we want we want you know the final point of me I can listen to this right I'm a big darts follower right go on okay so last week there we had the Premier League darts came to Dublin there's in Therian Josh Rock throwing darts right he's from Brashean he's a brilliant supporter in Ornge order oh my god he got food so much now for me looking at that I'm thinking that's not saying about the best segment to him into his community as to what they could look for to you in United Ireland because we have to understand that in United Ireland we will have people who support Rangers Darryl Garnie got the same he's from Kool Reyn a Protestant from Kool Reyn I would support those guys because they are local yeah let's not look at who the supporter he was brought up following Rangers I support Celtic so what that's a football team that's important because he's a local so all of those things just make you always feel a little disappointed in how we respond to other section to our community we have to embrace these people I think the GAA is very good at bridging gaps between communities I think we do that very well in the north how would you plan to do that in the future if there was talk of the United Ireland like that's a difficult gap to have to bridge it is and the clue is in the title we are the GAA like athletic association we are proud of our language we are proud of our flag we are proud of our anthem we are proud of our Irish identity we are proud of the fact that we promote Irish culture our language score you know we promote our culture very very well and I remember speaking to a father from Trunel and whenever they were building our vahi which is just an incredible center of action to the hub there they wanted to put up on the walls all of the people who contributed from Trunel and they wanted to also find out how many people from Trunel were killed in the war so they went to the Royal British Legion in Omer to discover and when they went in they couldn't believe all the walls were full of military memorabilia you know Queen King Charles you name it we're all there and they were almost taken aback by how British this place was and then they realized we're on a minute think of the name Royal British Legion what do you expect to see and Royal similarly in the GAA like athletic association don't think that we are going to be anything other than that Roger Gainesman Park yeah I would yeah I would yes meant was somebody who did incredible work showing up what was going on through the King Leopold of Belgium in the African Congo and the Belgian Congo Leopold of Belgium was probably the cruelest man that ever lived I cannot not my reading pressure I cannot imagine anybody who was crueler than that man and how he treated the slaves in the Belgian Congo he shone a light into that and he actually was tried and killed for being a traitor and that is why Kiesin Park is the Indian but I think that's a difficult and for unionist because so Roger Kiesin somebody who actually ended up then fighting for Irish freedom it's just part of the contradictions and the complexities of Irish history are you saying so given GAA like athletic association is the GAA in favor of United Ireland and is it like London the GAA now have just passed a amendment in their Bon Rochto so Bon Rochto I don't know what English is for that that they are a constitution all of that yes shane but that they're you know that they're fully behind you you know I'm arguing that they're actively you know drafting their policies like smartsion you know Leveh Takoule Erantar just the GAA I need to come out and make a statement like that people ask me that question all the time and I would always say that we never really accepted protection in the first place we just completely ignored it as if it didn't happen yeah right so you know we see all sorts of the name counties of all stir and we of course we want to united I mean it would be folly for us to think that we would never be a position on it and nobody in the GAA is out fighting for it at the moment actively we would say that by playing our games you know by expressing ourselves in an Irish way that that is enough for us at the time being I have said before that if that we were to have a scenario where there was going to be a united that are in poll. That probably the the G would have to take a position on that and say, look, this is what we are urging our members to do. Or we may not. Congress decides all of that. And if you read a rule book, we are very nuanced on all of that. We talk about the 32-county ideal. And people would say, what does that mean a 32-county ideal? Well, it means that we try and see things through a 32-county lens. And then you could ask the question, well, how is that inclusive of the unionist population? So the orange order sees things through a 32-county lens because they have their grand large of Ireland. So it's not just as exclusive as you would think. But we try not to be controversial. So for example, very often the GF finds itself as a battering ram. And the orange order in the other side, and in the air waves in the north, there will be all sorts of bits going on in the GIA, this and G, that we just stay out of that. No point in us getting involved in that petty sectarian background, we stay out of it. We have nothing to gain from it. But I feel probably in the essence that if there was going to be a proper poll called, let's see if there's a, for this time next year. Yeah, we would probably have to have a Congress. There would be a motion to Congress to be should take a position on it. And I don't think there would be, it would be shocked therapy, to find out about position in the GIA would take. Yeah. Can the GAA be focused on reconciliation in community if the question of reconciliation would gender within the GAA? Can you be working towards that if the question of women's sports isn't fully rectified yet? Well, that's a working progress. We're hoping to have one membership by the end of this year. So if you should become a member of the GAA, it doesn't matter whether you're a female. You can still be a mere female member of the GAA, but I know the point of the making. And there's just a couple of things you have to realize on this. The GAA had over 100 years to present itself as an inclusive body for women and it never did. So in 1925, I think it was, the Kamogi star in London, it separated the GAA. The GAA had done nothing to promote women's sports. And then the LGFA was founded in 51 years ago. And those two organizations have lourished. They are fantastic organizations. They are very dynamic. They are very young organizations. They're very modern organizations. They don't know the same baggage that we have at all. So I understand why people in the LGFA and Kamogi, Kamogi, and GAA might be a wee bit reluctant to say, just wanting to be very careful, we're not swatted up by this big GIA organization because they have their own identity. Their brands are very strong. LGFA and Kamogi brands are very, very strong. So I understand why they'll be a little bit reluctant, some people in Kamogi and LGFA towards that. But there is a general acceptance that it is the best way to go in the modern world, that we could become this incredibly, incredible movement because as it stands, one in ten people in Ireland are members of the GAA. That's not a sporting organization. That is a movement that is far, far bigger. That is a way of life. Yeah. So is your, I'm confused then about the question of the LGFA and Kamogi, that'll be on your successor to sign the dotted line on that. Is this, are you? Integration is happening every day at the Chicago-Gachla. So there are him, it's a heart-thunned chair. And I go around the country. I see, I always ask myself three questions every club are going to A, are they a one club, B, are they a growth mindset, so they don't have a development plan and see what is the atmosphere like in the club, are they all getting on with each other, are they all happy in each other's company. The first one, 90% of the time, they all are integrated. So it's happening every day. Every decision that we make in the GAA and now we're doing it in an integrated manner. So for example, we had a club summit four weeks ago, it was a club summit of all three organizations, it wasn't just a GAA. And last week we had our club awards, all our club awards, AIB club awards, completely Kamogi, GAA, LGFA. So all decisions are being taken, now are being taken in an integrated basis. But we're not there yet. There will be a normal moment, a normal for what we call critical moments, where one day were three organizations and the next day were one organization. So the first of those will probably come along the chronology of it. The timeline during is in October when we'll be calling special congresses to become one membership. Now that will be a critical moment. So everybody will be a member of the GAA. That doesn't mean that the LGFA and Kamogi Kamogi, they don't exist. It means that if you join the organization, you're not joining the LGFA and then having to join the GAA and then having the joint Kamogi association. Okay. So what changes? Okay. Let's say in Silver Bridge, it will wear one club, but if you're in a situation where there are two or three clubs, the LGFA are separate entities in your club. You could pay 30 euro membership to the GAA and then 60 euro membership to Kamogi and then 50, depending on what they're charged. Now within that, if you're a player, without wanting to get into specifics of it, you pay three things, you're paying with your members, you're paying a flat fee to the GAA, you're paying to your club, a second part of it and the third part of it, you're paying into the injury fund. That will become just one payment for everybody and everybody will be a member of the GAA. So it will be very symbolic in that we will all be one organization from then on. There will be lots of other things to tie up. So for example, we have to move towards one congress, one central council, one management committee, each county now is selling up an integration subcommittee to work out. How is it going to work out in their county? And then of course, there's a whole issue of facilities and finance, high performance. So if you're a Kamogi player, a player for Dublin, let's say, are you entitled to exactly the same traveling expense gear, everything else as your counterpart, who happens to be male? So all of these things are things you worked out. So if you've to United GAA before the GAA could start in Ireland, that's a long short of results. That's your words. That's right. Okay. I'm going to say Delri X for its in the United States. Somebody said it easier to United Ireland. Yeah. Well, it's a show, yes, because you know, Avio, Gennogai, Lart, Hayen, Mial, Tse, Hien, of Tasha, really Tarlis, the two-ish church. Like we get, you know, I suppose we're sometimes lumped in in the conversation of, you know, the massive interest on the Irish language. And it's been spearheaded by community groups in the north on Dram, Dyerok. They've been doing great work and, you know, Achtanga and all of that. And that's really what's inspired the revival of Densuit. If it wasn't for what's happening culturally in the north, you could forget about anything happening Densuit. Is it time for the GAA to knock it in behind these community? I suppose there is a lot of cross-contamination there. Anyway, people who are involved in the GAA are involved in these Irish language communities. But to take more of an official stance to help this cultural revival. I think, as I've said before, by, by those existing, we are involved in the cultural revival. So, it has Michel Lawrence and Wardens, Mugel, Gilmer, Lawrence, Barrett, Egonir, and Egon Gune, Colgai, the national group, Le Shaktanahen. I make it very clear that the Magicala Lord is in a Gaelic, Augustus, Ferdjell and so on. On Jarkatha, Augustus, Hien, Matamachon, Gaelic, a car, Ash, Mial, Fobel, O'Hui, the year of the Factor, the year of the Factor, the campaign and the other areas. I see you're for the Act, yes. - Legislation. Yeah. - There's probably a lot of the things that are going on. - Well, Tasha is a very young, and he's a very young, very young, very young, very young, very young, very young, very young. So, the Dini and Hien are at the same level. And in the last age, it could've been a tragic accident. It's suicide on it. Dixies were э really fantastic. ♪♪♪ I learned a lot at that time from school. I used to keep Java using English being modern. And what Niro Sharing curriculum was in the curriculum. Niro and Taraget, it's just a Gnomei horror in the Gale Factor. We couldn't 4 to send me the Gale Factor. Apart from one year, guess what that year was, 1981. What was raging in the North and 1981? What made my parents want to send me a way out to hell? The Gale Factor did not work. I went to Marrowarty and I come back and everything. It sort of settled down a wee bit. That was it. Just all the mayor's school, I guess. I was a headlater at a Olam school. I did a saster. Just a fulcant just on the Gale Factor. I was a heart. I actually went around and went to a folklore book in my pocket all the time. You know, at the boards of Ireland, the trees of Ireland, the months of the year, the days of the week. It's like Jérén. Yeah, I guess, you know, learning words every day. Yeah. It's a Galkla, you know. So it is a struggle. It's a jacquard Gale Gale Olam. Can you, can you, can you, you know, go to Saster, and then, uh, and, uh, and, uh, and, uh, Strackelchen, I guess. Yeah, I know. Marrow, we may interogue. I guess it's my husband, I'm a kid, I'm a little bit older, I'm a tree. And I'm a carcass. What is this, we're doing? Another language, I thought you were going to one language. And then Irish. And then, when she and a Frank, a Lourian, Frankish, when she and a Spaniard, Lourian, I wish again, find out what I'm interested in. A geil-a-kerh and a mantra caught love. And I would say, "Brrretitesh is there too, and they are busy with the magic here." They blew up the Spring51 of theWEAT, influenced by things that still exist out there. They had never introduced themselves into one of the names. They sort off different marghernas. They were all like, "Yeah, I'm going to go to the top of the game." You know, in the first half, they were all called to the top of the game. They were all active, and they were all ready to go. You know, they were all playing in the basement park, because they were all playing in the basement. Like, they were all playing in the basement, and they were all playing in the basement, and they were all playing in the basement. And they were all playing in the basement. Phillis, why take this bloody trick in id, they are pregnant with baby- - buses if they were also from Darwin's childhood. - They've been in their civilط. (Heidi speaking in Spanish )) - You know, he was right. This was an impact. I didn't think he was from the Navy, but he just had to play with it. I think that we discussed it because they wanted to have it so they're out of the league. I was not having a stadium since 2010. I so enjoyed playing in Kiss and Park. In fact, fun fact, I met my future wife after a match she had watched me in Kiss and Park. - She had watched you. - She came just like that. - No, no, no. We were both at St Mary's University College. - It's fun to know. - And I was a fresher and I got on to the senior team. First game was against Queens in Kiss and Park. And all of the college went up the support. I was playing midfield and that evening was a big function and she said to me, "Are you the boy who's playing midfield?" And my memory of that night actually, when we looked back, it was meeting this beautiful girl. I couldn't believe that Girok Football had got me. That's lovely looking girl. Suzanne's abiding memory was the awful, doffelcoat. My school doffelcoat was still wearing it. I put on me when I was around. That almost made her great considerate. I said, "Mm, don't know what this is. "I just by worked as a persevering was because it was "round me, stood up full of colds." You're a different generation, big doffelcoat. - I do big doffelcoat, so it was really nice. - If you'd whipped out your little notebook, I'd say, "Yeah, there you go." - No, she didn't know about it. - You never ever answer the cool, cool, cool guy. - But it will be good to ask, for they can ask in to witness. I mean, that would, everyone in the community would benefit from that. The Gladi-Gorah is the emrory. You know, Tom Hach and Shinn cold, all of a sudden. I think we should reiterate that. The GAs, the community bonding that it can do for him. In 1970, for almost a year, the British Army occupied the Kiesman Park, took it over, turned it into a garrison. Imagine how demoralized it was to be into the gills of West Bank last, watching their G.A. ground being taken over. And they actually went down then across the land and did the same across the land. You know, the club next to us. And we would be strong ravers of cross-membrane, but my God, when it came to that, we were all as one. It was just such an act of B.S.S.S.C. Garland, a pression of the local people. We're here, we're bosses. And for us, then, going to play against cross-membrane, we just had this wonderful sense that we have our games. We have our games. We have our expression. We have our language. We have all of these things. And most importantly, we will still be here when they're gone. And they're gone. And we are still here. Well, Shinn point to Anir, fatara. [SPEAKING ARABIC] OK, and I'll just broken her. And Kiddler, she's going to be an ord. So there'll have to be, as we keep hearing, orderly. Cannot be like Brexit, for example. Yeah. Just water disaster for everybody. Brexit should be the example that we all use to say, it cannot be like this. It has to be strategic. So for example, on Tahihit Agam's attaches are Horosijaqas. We're going to have cash in it. How would an education system look in a United Ireland? What would a health service look like? What hospitals would need to close? What hospitals could be opened in a place? How could this hospital become better? All of these questions. What would the civil service look like in a United Ireland? What would a business look like? What would the political scenario be like? And interestingly, I don't think anybody has said to the unionists. The unionist parties that they all got together could be the permanent government in a coalition. You think about it. They could be governing the whole of Ireland, rather than what's going on up the North at the moment that the executive just isn't functioning because you have this shared-out power rather than shared power. And it needs to be a gober. And it cannot really work. We can't see how things are going to work. It's only at Nuretta Mishemahoni, Houston, Charles Kidd's work, a vacancy room. Just grab a ruddy, simple things to just work down here. They just don't work up in the North. Even simple things like, I drive an electric car. The amount of charging points down here, as opposed to up north, just no comparison. You know, simple things like that. The Polituary O'Hooie, I am not in the business of complaining about them. They're all very sincere people, very driven people. The abuse to get on social media is just horrendous, particularly females, just shocking. And I respect all of them. Even the unions. Even the traditional unionist-wise people, I respect them all because I know that they must be at an terrible time from people who don't agree with them. What the system has been set up for it not really to work that well. And it's not. That has a change. Yeah, well, Kurt Mayn Kescht, I heard. Talk. Brother, I heard about Kurt. He's come and go on strides, and I'm not going to do anything. I've heard them come and go, I'm not going to do anything. I'm not going to do anything. I remember we used to joke about the GIA has to be responsible for everything, and I remember somebody saying one to me. Stop this going on in the middle east. The GIA needs to do something about that. You should joke about that. Little did I know that would arrive on my desk that particular challenge. A response that has been really loyal to us for 30 years when the were church and jala and then became aliens. They're an insurance company that's all I ever understood at the ends to be. They're an insurance company. They never reported to be anything as other than that. Few years ago, they bought an asset management company called Pemko. Pemko, like the other asset management companies, Vanguard, and BlackRock, all of these, if you put all of those together, they would be responsible for looking after the funds of every single organization bank, insurance company in Ireland and across the world that has to have what you call a treasury function. You have to have money, a side in case you have to pay out or you have to deliver. So if you put all of those into the one pot, yes, they are involved in Israel. They are involved in America. I mean, how do you tell the difference in any of these things? If we are going to go down the road of ending a relationship with aliens, I think we've worked out and we would have to go to 30 sponsors throughout our counties and say you're going to have to stop this. I'm not going to name them because I don't want them in the spotlight because they're in the same boat. So we decided not to on the basis that, you know, we received the assurances that, I mean, if you had said anybody in Ireland last year, what is aliens in Ireland? They were the citizens insurance company. So we have all insurance with them. Torch has all insurance, Department of Education has all the insurance with them. They sponsor us, they sponsor common demands called the Sponsored Komogie Association. The sponsor of the Olympic teams. And we received assurances that this is an insurance company. You wouldn't have known that there was this assurances management end of it because that is something that they don't advertise. It's something that is in the world of world finance. So that's really the decision that we took. We decided once we started getting opposition to it that we would get some of our best minds together on the Ethics and Integrity Commission and that they would do a deep dive into it to spend four months looking into it. And they come back and said, look, there's a company that is the assurances management company. There's nothing to do at all. Nothing to do at Allianz, Ireland, which is an insurance company, which has always been the message that we got from them. And that we didn't even know that there was another wing into this company. So that's really where we are at the moment. That is not to say that I do not respect the people who disagree with that. That is not to say that I don't respect the people who arrived into Congress because they are people who are very upset and very worried about the genocide that has happened to the people of Palestine. That is my worldview. I agree with them. I just disagree with them on the analysis of Allians. I'm not getting any money out of Allians partially. All I am doing as the president of the G.A. is to trying to ensure that, firstly, we are all we are ensured. And that secondly, we are not doing acts of self-harm in our desire to do the right thing for the people of Palestine. And I know that that might come as a difficult message to some people. We have to mind all of our units. And if we do away with the money we got from sponsorship, the G.A. that would emerge from that would be vastly different. to the year we have at the moment that can spend 15, 350, 350 coaches who are teaching our games to children in primary schools. The 10 million that we give to counties every year to help with their infrastructure. So it means we're having to spend 29 million on dock with the building of the stadium, 15 million for Kismapark. I guess 20 million in Newbridge, the same in Navan, Hachjero stadium needs. We're going to spend 10 million on Tarlis. So it's easy to fight at the last drop of somebody else's blood. But I am in the business of being a leader of the GIA. I've had enough tough decisions to try and ensure that we get the finance that we can to run our association. And it's not all a bit money because if it was, if you look at the Premier League, they have four main sponsors to Paris. Number one is alcohol. That's out for the GIA. Number two is gambling companies. I mean, that is so lucrative. We took a decision. We were not going to get involved with gambling companies. And last really ourselves. The third one is insurance and banking. So if we did away with Aliens, that goes. The fourth one is technology. So what do we mean by technology? Microsoft, Google, Amazon, all of those companies. Well, they were all mentioned in that report too. So essentially, it would be an active and credible self-harm. And it would start pulling at a thread. You just don't know where it would end. But some of my best friends are on the opposite side of me. And I've made a decision. I'm not going to fall out. I'm not going to lose any friendships over this because it doesn't suit any of those people to be involved in campaigning. Campaigning takes a lot of energy out of you. An isolate and fully respect anybody who disagrees with me on this. But I will say this that kind of comes back to me being a six-county president. People have said that I see sold out. John Apprentice. Sold out in his principles. Well, people said the same with Peter Quinn when he rebuilt Kroak Park with boxes. You know, the box level on the premium seats. He has sold. This was novel. It wasn't even a stadium in England had any of these. He sold out to the corporate sector. I mean, you would have heard that quite a lot. Why is not everybody equal from the Kroak Park? Well, he tried to explain to people those box levels on premium seats take up 10% of the stadium of a pair for 60%. But right then we wouldn't be able to pay for the stadium. Before that was, if I called Paddy McFlynn, he was the president of J.A. during the hunger strike when people expected the G.A. to take a position in fear of the hunger strike. He said, "No, the G.A. cannot take a position. We are sympathetic. We can't take a position." And people put us to the right side. I'd say this. I'd say this. So this is my big difficulty as a six-county president. I don't think Derek Kent, the person who's coming after me, will have the same amount of heat on him as I have in me as a result of that. But I have to be a big boy and I have to take it because I put myself forward for this. I didn't expect that this would be the thing that would cause the most sleepless nights for me. But I have to support the people of Palestine and we do. And I am very sorry that this has caused so much hurt amongst so many people. I respect so much. But contingency plans, so if in theory the G.A. would get behind the question of United Ireland, we know they're thriving up against the spellfast or so we hear. What are the contingency plans the G.A. might have up their sleeve to bridge the gaps with Protestant communities? What worked in the spellfast? What's working? Well, we have to be very careful that we're not going to try and impose the G on anybody. So for example, in my word in education we had called shared education where we would have linked up as a Catholic school with non-Catholic schools or schools from the call the control sector. And part of that involved going on trips to the Museum of Orange Heritage and places like this for us. People were looking for a separate acts where the unionist to schools from let's a unionist background would be linked in with us through shared education, could experience our culture. And the G.A. was mentioned and I actually said no, I don't want us to be imposing our games on anybody who doesn't want to get it. Anybody who is from a unionist background who has ever approached us or approached a local club to say can I play there being weapon of open arms and a fact inclusion is one of our values. But if we think that putting ourselves into the middle of unionist populations and thinking here, we're going to start now teaching you how to play Gaelic football and hurling and you'd better learn or you're not pro. That is just not going to happen. Anyway, I could think of the middle of the business to put that person that we don't have people within compliant communities. So for example, my club has started hurling. I would love our local premier school to get a hurling coach. We don't have the facilities to do that. So we're not going to start virtue signaling and start reaching out to the people who don't want reached out to. So we'll just take that one a bit careful. I like your advantage guys. Give me that horn. I know I know how to fix you. But if you look at even the Irish language, the Irish language is a threat to unionism. It shouldn't be. I don't know how they can see the Irish language doesn't have groans and amd after Irish or it doesn't. But yet unionists see that as a threat to them. We'll be so careful. Just let's chill a wee bit on that whole side of things. Our culture is wonderful to us. Not everybody thinks it's as great as we do. Yeah. No, you're done right. Okay. Okay. Come on. I'm going to turn it on. Oh, here we go. She can't film. She's here. Me and Mark. Not this is on. Oh, Bay Kinsher. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's supposed to. Yeah. There you go.