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Speaker 2Because they believe it is impossible. 90% of people that I've worked with are fucking losers. What is it that allows them to move forward? They believe that what they want is possible. Difficulty is not created by the world. Difficulty is created by your response to the world.
Speaker 3My guest is Dr. K, a Harvard-trained psychiatrist, who is breaking down the most common psychology myths behind success and failure, and then how to build a feedback loop that improves you instead of eating you alive.
Speaker 2The difference between hard and easy is not the size of the task. It has to do with your understanding of the thing. If I take some dude off the street and I'm like, can you make a million-dollar business in a year? They would say no.
Speaker 3So where do you start if you want to start achieving the things that you want out of life?
Speaker 2So. So many
Speaker 3people feel like they're stuck. Like they can't move past some sort of mental block. They're struggling in their lives in some way. And even if you're a winner, you go through these moments. So I guess my question that I want to start with is like, one, do you see a lot of people who are stuck today? Yes. And two, what do you tell them?
Speaker 2So I think the number one problem that I see just on the internet today is everyone is asking how to fix problems. Whereas what they should be asking is what is the actual problem? So if you ask me like, how do you help someone who's stuck? I don't know. You, I guess you get behind their car and you start pushing. That'll, that'll help if they're stuck, right? Isn't that the solution? If they're stuck, if they're like in a wheelchair and they're trying to get up the stairs, like you wheel them over to the elevator or is it, are they psychologically stuck? Are they stuck with alcohol? So right now what's going on, and this is an effect of kind of how the internet is morphing. We're, we're morphing to 60 second segments where there's no room for diagnosis. So a lot of the work that I do, and this is hard to describe, is I don't help people find solutions. I help people dissolve problems. Because even your problem is not exactly what you think it is. And most of what we do, if we talk about like kind of the work that I do is just like enabling people. It's like helping people find solutions. It's helping people understand what the problem is. If you are unable to fix your problems, you're trying to solve the wrong problem. And one of the crazy things, I'll just give you an example is I'd say 50% of people that I work with that are stuck, aren't stuck. They're holding on. They're attached to something in their life. Simple example is let's take addiction. So I did a bunch of addiction psychiatry many years ago. And, um, you know, like if you think about why someone addicted to alcohol, it's not because alcohol is a problem. It's because alcohol is a problem. It's because alcohol is a solution. What are you staying attached to that is preventing you from moving forward?
Speaker 3So then what do you do? So if you figure out, okay, you're not stuck, you're holding on, you're choosing to hold on, then what's the next question?
Speaker 2So I think that depends on, so I'm a clinician, right? First and foremost, I work with individuals with individual problems. And so we can still generalize certain principles. I'll give you like an example. So I've worked with a couple of billionaires, but 90% of people that I've worked with are what would be described as fucking billionaires. So someone who's 26 years old, lives in mom's basement, doesn't do their own laundry, doesn't cook for themselves, jerks off all day. Like this is the people that I work with. And there is like literally millions, if not hundreds of millions or billions of young men who like no one is even bothering to help. No one is even aware of. So that's what I, that's what I set out to do. So I'm going to tell you a story about one of these people. So I have a friend, for example, who's stuck and his basic problem is that he's not stuck. He doesn't allow himself to want. Wanting is the basic thing that gets us to move forward. Okay. But if you don't believe you can get what you want, and I see this with like founders and people who are super successful as well, they are really good at like, oh yeah, like I can build a billion dollar company, but I can't get my kids to love and respect me. So then if you. If there is a problem in your life that you don't think that you can solve, what your mind will do is fucking bury it. And so what feels like stuckness is actually an, an intentional burying of your motivational circuitry, because if I don't want anything, then I can never fail. If I don't want anything, then I don't have to try. If I don't want anything, and this is the most crippling thing, if you think about like the most crippling thing, if you think about like the most crippling thing, if you think about the most crippling source of suffering for a human being, it is to want something that they cannot have. This is something that human beings try to avoid at all costs. So stuck is absence of want. Why do we have an absence of want? Because we believe that we cannot achieve it. When people want something and they believe it's possible, they will move towards it. Okay. And there are even studies on things like mice that are depressed, that you can drop a mouse in a bucket that has. One like subsurface, like place that they can stand on, a bucket of water. And so they'll swim around and they find the panel. Then what happens is you take out the panel. So there's nowhere for the mouse to sit and you drop it in a bucket and swims around. It can't find anything. And eventually it's going to run out of energy and drown. So a depressed mouse is one that gives up trying to find the panel faster. So when we believe something is not possible, we stop trying. Okay. So this is what's really, this is, uh, forget about whether it's possible or not. Whether it's really possible or not possible. What we're talking about here is motivation. We're talking about what gets people unstuck. That has nothing to do with outcomes. That has to do with, are you moving from zero steps to one step? So my goal is to teach people a healthy relationship with wanting. Right. So like my mission, I spent years as a studying to become a monk and then, you know, became a psychiatrist and all that stuff and did neuroscience research. And my, my hypothesis or my thesis is that. If you understand and can master the most basic instrument that you have, which is yourself, then everything in life becomes easy. That the difficulty is not created by the world.
Speaker 3So where do you start? Like if you want to start achieving the things that you want out of life, where's the first place you tell people to go? To start figuring out themselves.
Speaker 2So step one is not go. Step one is understand. And the really scary thing is if you look at like some of these Eastern contemplative traditions, they make a bold claim, which I, I'm, I think is correct, which I've been dragged to kicking and streaming. I've tried to argue against it. And I think I'm just wrong, which is that you don't need to do anything. All you need to do is understand. And that understanding is actually. Not only sufficient for change, but is the only thing that is necessary for change, which I know is like a crazy idea because we're all about motivation and doing, but like what I realized recently is what is the difference between something that is hard? So if I asked you, Cody, let's say we, we start you starting from scratch. We wipe out all your net worth, wipe out all your social connections. Can you make a million dollar business within how long would it take you to make a million
Speaker 3dollar business? I think you could do it in a year.
Speaker 2Okay. So is that hard for you?
Speaker 3I would say it's not easy, but it's simple. There's a straightforward path to it.
Speaker 2Great. Right. So if I take some dude off the street and I'm like, can you make a million dollar business in a year? They would say no. Yeah. So what is the difference? And it's a beautiful nuance that you added. It's simple. You're not, and now what you're doing is you're moving away from effort. You see what you did there? Like you're. You're moving away from, yeah, it'll take effort, but you're, it's simple. You know how to do it. Yeah. And so this is the key thing. The difference between hard and easy is not the size of the task is, it has nothing to do with effort.
Speaker 3Yeah. It's so interesting because you had the way you talk about mental health is really simple to how we talk about businesses. My thesis that drives me insane is actually similar to yours in some way, which is that most business advice. Is only applicable to that business person.
Speaker 2I completely agree.
Speaker 3I go listen to how Elon Musk runs his business. I think pretty highly of myself. I don't think that highly of myself. I can't go replicate what Elon does. So you could give me Elon's entire playbook and I still won't make it. But if I have an understanding of who I am, then I can actually apply who I am. What are my skill sets to what I want? And then finally come up with a strategy that pairs those two things. So it's interesting. And our thing, we always say like, first you dive in. Then you diagnose the you. Then you diagnose the want, which would be like, do you want a lifestyle business? Do you want a scale business? Do you want an exit business?
Speaker 2Do you use the word diagnose?
Speaker 3We do. Insane. I will prove it to you. I have it like on 47 PowerPoints. And then once you understand those two things, you can have a strategy that's like, maybe there's similarity in your world. But I think in business, there's like 12 core profit centers in every business. But you don't know which ones you should play with until you know who you are, what you you want, and then you can apply it to about any business a lot of super interesting
Speaker 2yeah so so i i think this is this is what's hard to explain to people is like because everyone is looking for an answer to their problems but what i what we try to do and like it's an interesting we have a membership thing that we started a couple years ago because i hated that what i wanted to teach was being dictated by the youtube algorithm and what people will click on is not the same as what will be helpful to them yeah so i had a fundamental problem and i was like the youtube is great and you can teach people a lot on youtube but there's like deeper stuff that is like how do you understand yourself and so then i started that and it's been awesome right but the thing is what's your philosophy how
Speaker 3do you start to understand yourself like do you have frameworks that
Speaker 2yeah so so i think it depends so this is where we start with what the problem is yeah so like i'll give you like a kind of a simple example which i i think is is maybe relevant to your audience which is like you know i think you're you're you kind of talk a lot about how you should own your business your business should not own you right so like inside every one of us is what i would call a yearning this is at the surface level you have like your thoughts and your emotions and perceptions we'll get to that and then beneath that you have your ego beneath that you have some weird deep psychological stuff and beneath that you have like what i would call a yearning or like a calling so it's not ego it's not like psychological trauma there are layers of that but at the bottom is like something weird and spiritual so i call it also dharma duty there's karma involved karma we can talk about those things though i think those things are absolutely scientific and so what starts to happen is you get into the business for some reason so i i want to help people and then i see oh this person is doing it and this person is doing it this way and this person is doing it this way and so then what i start to do is i move away from myself towards those things and this is really an important distinction it's not that you shouldn't learn from other people but that learning should center back into you and serve your mission in your life and that's what i want to do and that's why i want to do this and that's why i want to do this and that's why i want to do this and that's why i want to do this and that's why i want to do this because the moment that you try to duplicate what someone else does you said it beautifully i'm going to use different term you have your own karma you have your own set of advantages your own set of disadvantages you have your own the way your dopaminergic circuitry is wired what you get addicted to what your social support system is what your capital is you cannot duplicate the success of anyone else and this is why it's so interesting because you can't duplicate the success of anyone else and this is why it's so interesting you have so many brilliant people giving advice about how to live life and we have the fucking people are fucked right left and center it's so true and the question is why and that's because you can't duplicate the solution that someone else has the best chance you've got and i'm methodologically this is sound outcomes wise scientifically this is sound we can get into the research you have to play from your position right so you can look at somebody else who wins a hand of poker with a royal flush but if you've got like a three seven of hearts it's not that you can't win but the fastest way to lose is to use the strategy of the other guy so your model of like diagnosis first is exactly where i go and a big part of that is what is really driving you how does ego enter the picture and how are you being shaped by your perceptions but like i think ego is like a big part that like people don't understand and i think that's a big part of what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to understand and if you don't understand ego like it's going to run
Speaker 3your life how do you define ego how do you understand it and how do you overcome
Speaker 2it great uh so it's not to be overcome first thing so ego i love sanskrit so there's one can i can i go like off track okay so the bit of depth so in the west the way that we learn things is through like instrumentation so we have x-rays we have biopsies we take blood tests and in psychiatry we use words that is the way that we try to understand what is someone's mind now let me ask you so this is what's also really interesting we have no instrument that can measure the mind right eeg electroencephalogram doesn't measure the mind fmri doesn't measure the mind it measures blood flow of the brain we're measuring physical structures okay so this is the fundamental difference between eastern psychology and western psychology yeah you're the only one who has direct access to your own mind and so the system of psychology that they developed is not based on a model developed through words it is based on internal observation and we in the west we hate that because it's a sample size of one it is subjective newsflash there is no objective evidence of the existence of mind you can't measure it you can't and then by biological reductionists make a big mistake which is they say ah doesn't exist since we can't measure it doesn't because shared delusion by eight billion people on the planet they say that mine is not real it is real it's just non-physical it doesn't exist in the material world we all know it's there and we act on it through things like psychotherapy so when we exert influences on the mind we see outcomes that are measurable our our intervention acts on the mind the mind changes and then we see outcomes so it absolutely exists it just exists in a space that science cannot touch yet sort of so we also have validated questionnaires and things like that which we can touch it in some ways we can we measure so now we get to ego so in the west they think that there are basically three pillars of mind you have thoughts which is one thing you have emotions which is another thing you have behaviors which is a third thing and then you have like memories okay so the yogis say there's a fourth part of the mind which is ego you have a sense of self so this is the word is ahamkara and ahamkara is the feeling of the mind which is ego you have a sense of self so this is the word is ahamkara of i so ahamkara is anything that comes after the words i am dot dot dot so i am successful i am a loser both of those things are true i'm like absolutely loser and i'm wildly successful i'm an idiot and i'm a genius so anything that you add after i am is ahamkara that is what the i so ahamkara is anything that you add after i am is ahamkara that is what the who you are it is part of the clothing of your ego
Speaker 3interesting great word
Speaker 2but ego is all of the attributes that you attach to yourself when you remove all of the sensory inputs and you exist without an object to focus on that is the goal of meditation by the way and that is what like fucking heals people because all of these problems of the ego literally cease to exist
Speaker 3you have so many perspectives that are two worlds combined right um not that normal for a monk to go to med school as far as i'm aware um what do you think people get really wrong when they go to psychologists or psychiatrists like for instance and this is sort of gross generalization i've had different therapists for years at varying points in my life by and large i found them not very helpful yeah and so it would be like we'd be talking about the same thing sort of continuously you'd have some set amount of time i'd be repeating all the things that annoyed me that day and then um really not a lot of change would happen almost no direction no specific next step steps i like specificity and now it almost seems like you know we're more uh therapized than we've ever been in society while simultaneously being less happy um why is that what are we doing
Speaker 2so fucking wrong somewhere along the way therapy became got a monopoly on helping people yeah so simple example of this is the fundamental idea that talking about your problems about your emotions is the gold standard for being better so 70 of therapists are women 70 of patients this is changing now thankfully but you know 70 of patients are women and this idea that talk therapy is the way that's simply using words now words and there's a really good mechanism here right so it is very effective i do talk therapy i love doing talk therapy but i also do yogic practice tantric practice i also when i i had a 15 year old who's addicted to video games my solution to that is i'm going to take an mit incubator where i have a client i'm going to ask them hey will you guys take a 15 year old as a as an intern and they're like sure right so i think somewhere along the way when you have a mental problem people will say go see a therapist for like all kinds of medical legal reasons too and so somewhere along the way a lot of people went to therapy and therapy is not designed to help them with their problems or based on what their personality is they they're not good candidates for therapy
Speaker 3you are so right because you're it's never bad to say oh you should you should go to therapy that's always like no no that's great that's exactly that's a safe piece of advice as opposed to i mean we have a dear friend in uh north carolina and it was funny she was super depressed um you know overweight uh really unhappy in life and you know my husband kind of jokingly made a comment one day. He's like, well, you do work inside like 15 hours a day and not move your body a lot. And thus you can't really sleep very well. Like maybe you should go throw some weights around and get some vitamin D. And at the time she was really pissed. She was like, fuck you. I am depressed. Lo and behold, she goes on more walks, she gets more vitamin D and she works out and that actually worked great for her.
Speaker 2Absolutely. Right. So, so something that happens a lot in the manosphere is when you get dumped, they're like, hit the gym, bro. You know, you don't have to like grieve and cry and stuff like that. What do you think about that advice?
Speaker 3Is that what you think?
Speaker 2I think it's really good advice. I think it's a piece, right? So this is where we get to mechanism where people grossly underestimate, like a big, big thing that a lot of people don't understand. This is why I think mental illness is getting so bad. Somewhere along the way, we started to think that mental illness is, is in the mind, which I think is fundamentally incorrect. So there's a study that like blew my mind. Have you ever heard of a stool transplant? Yeah. Right. So you have someone who has a certain kind of gut bacteria, they're depressed. And the intervention that we do is we take poop from another human being and we give it to them. Either we insert it from the rectum or they take it orally. It's like a probiotic, right? And this works. And it works, right? So you'll see like a somewhere between a 30 and 70% reduction in symptoms of depression with not, one bit of psychotherapy, not one moment of talking about your problems.
Speaker 3How would people actually try that as opposed to talk therapy?
Speaker 2Very few, because I think stool transplants are still in the research phase and the clinical interventions are not. And then we got to get the money stool, which is like, so that, you know, which I don't know if we have, but.
Speaker 3That's a whole new side income business I have not pondered yet.
Speaker 2Yes. Maybe in the future. Just high quality shit.
Speaker 3That's really interesting because it's probably also not as profitable. You know, talk therapy for, I mean, how many people do we all know that have gone to talk therapy for like 15 or 20 years and nothing's fucking changed? That's a lot. A lot of them wind up in my office. They do. Yeah. Interesting. As opposed to if I can do a stool transplant, I can feel some sort of trigger change and then I can have actual habit change. Maybe my life could actually change.
Speaker 2Yeah. So I think this is where specific, like you said, you have in your framework, there are 12 fundamental areas of profit. Yeah. So I think the mistake is that you can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. You can't do it. The mistake that therapy makes is there's one. So here's the conception that I think is like functionally useful. It's something called pancha gosha. Gosha means sheaf. Okay. So pancha means five. Okay. One aspect of our being, which is our sheaf, our food body is the way to think about it. That's our physical form. So there are certain ways to take care of the physical body. Yeah. Then the second layer of our being is pranamaya gosha, which is our energy body. Then third layer is our emotional mind. So that's our emotions. Fourth layer is the, I guess you could say the analytical mind, our reasoning capability, cognition, right? So a Western psychiatry has actions, emotions, and like cognitive stuff. And then the fifth layer, which I call soul or the spiritual body, which I now understand is different, but that's probably not for today. So then there are interventions at the level of like purely spiritual. Mm-hmm. Which most people don't.
Speaker 3Which would be like praying.
Speaker 2Not unless you do it right.
Speaker 3Interesting. Deep meditation?
Speaker 2Yes. So this is where I would talk about tantra or tantra. So I think like tantric interventions.
Speaker 3What is tantra? I think about that as a sexual.
Speaker 2Yeah. So tantra is translated as technique. You know, you can make like a prediction based on a model or analytics. Yeah. But then sometimes when you start a business or you launch something, you put some oomph into it. Yeah. That is not mental. That is not hours of labor. Does that map on or resonate to you at all? That sometimes you've got the oomph. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So like when I try to explore what is that oomph, and I think a lot of people who are successful will know that there's something that is not describable or reducible to an analytical model. Yeah.
Speaker 3Like when you say, I was turned, like I really turned it on today. Exactly. I was really in flow today.
Speaker 2Yes. Yes. Right. So then we have some of these approximations of shakti, which is flow. So flow is the gateway to shakti from a neuroscience mechanistic standpoint. Flow is the verifiable door to something greater. Flow is not the goal. It's the first step. The problem is that the more subjective we become, the more that we go towards the mind, the further we move away from science. And the less verifiable things become. And then we get to function because it's like, do you want to do something that is verified or do you want to do something that works?
Speaker 3I want to do some rapid fire if you're down for that. I want to rapid fire some like tropes that I've heard. And you tell me quickly, true, false, why? It takes 21 days to build a habit.
Speaker 2For some people.
Speaker 3We only use 10% of our brains. False. Tell me why.
Speaker 2I mean, 100% of our brain is active basically 100% of the time.
Speaker 3Yeah. Okay. So we've just been sold a bag of goods. Time heals all wounds.
Speaker 2Absolutely false. Why? If you get a fracture and you just leave it alone, 10 years from now, it may heal to some degree, but it's not going to heal right. So time may heal all wounds, but it'll heal them in a broken, fucked up way.
Speaker 3So good. You have to love yourself before anyone can love you.
Speaker 2Other way around. Explain that. We learn how to love ourselves from, as a reflect, we are the modeling of how to love me comes from other people. How do I love me? My parents teach me that.
Speaker 3It is what it is. Radical acceptance generally.
Speaker 2Absolutely true. But gets hijacked by ego all the time is a great way to avoid responsibility. Yeah. Sorry. This is who I am. If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best.
Speaker 3Yeah. I've seen that Marilyn Monroe quote a lot. Actually, you know what another one is that I want to throw in there? What about radical transparency always?
Speaker 2Satya should always be subject to ahimsa. Truth should always be subject to nonviolence. Truth should. So if you have a choice between being honest and being hurtful or, well, hurt is not worth truth, basically.
Speaker 3Right? Yeah. Every motherfucker I've ever met who always has like radical truth or radical honesty in their profile, I always end up not liking it.
Speaker 2Yeah. I think it's a license to be an asshole.
Speaker 3It's a total license to be an asshole. And then tell you why they're polyamorous and it's okay. I think they go hand in hand. That's just my science. What about the body keeps the score?
Speaker 2Absolutely. No doubt.
Speaker 3Depression is a chemical imbalance. Chemical, mental, spiritual, all.
Speaker 2Why? It's not. So there's a great paper from molecular psychiatry that actually makes a really strong case. We have really no evidence that depression is a neurochemical imbalance. We believe that because SSRIs, which boost serotonin transmission, work with depression. So then we reverse engineered the cause because a treatment works. And then. Yeah. So I don't think it's a neurochemical imbalance, but there's probably some, there's, it's a piece of it. Let's say it's a third.
Speaker 3Do you get murdered on the internet when you say that? No. Really? Yeah. I get in a lot of trouble if I say, are we always just depressed or might we just need to take a different action? They're like, how dare you say I'm not depressed? I'm like, I'm not sure that was the point of that statement.
Speaker 2Here's another point. I think there's a difference between depression and unhappiness.
Speaker 3And most people are what? Unhappy or depressed? Uh, most people
Speaker 2are unhappy and they can have depression on top. These are two independent
Speaker 3things. Everyone needs therapy.
Speaker 2No. So I think people who believe that everyone needs therapy want to live in a world where everyone behaves in a way that they want them to behave. I can't walk through a world where people are fucked up. I want everyone to be healed. And if everybody else is perfect, then I, then I'll be happy because I won't have any friction with anybody. Yeah. Everyone doesn't need therapy.
Speaker 3That reminds me of the African proverb, which is like, do you want to pave the world in leather or wear leather shoes? Excellent. You know, love it. Let's try the leather shoes. Manifestation is real.
Speaker 2Uh, is real, but 99% of people don't know how to do it. There's a scientific mechanism behind it, which all the new age people who believe in manifestation, none of them are rigorous.
Speaker 3How do we become rigorous? I want to manifest for real. I got a lot of. Oh, this is what, this is where you go back to. Yeah, because my problem is you look around Austin, a lot of the people who are manifesting and meditating and crystalline all day, rent apartments, not by choice.
Speaker 2Yeah. So I've worked with one guru who his rate of training is five figures for round one and multiple cycles of that, six figures for round two and seven figures for round three. He is so effective that people will start his. stuff with a net worth of like $50,000. And the money will come. It's insane. So I would love to do a scientific study on this. And I try to collect data. But I think manifestation is real if done properly. And 99% of people who talk about it don't know how to do it, haven't done a rigorous study of like how it actually works or experimental trials. So to believe that manifestation is not real without a scientific exploration for it is in and of itself unscientific.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2Right. So if you want to know whether something works or not, you have to test it.
Speaker 3Yeah. Except heroin. I'm fine. I don't want to test that one. You know, I guess there's lots of studies that it does, in fact, lead to massive addiction. Sure. So I don't need to play with it.
Speaker 2There are plenty of studies that show that it doesn't. Get out. Really? 60% of, I think, soldiers in Vietnam use heroin, and only 9% remained addicted after coming back to the U.S.
Speaker 3How did I know that? Yeah. That's so interesting. I just assumed I'll never try that thing, because the way people talk about it looks too.
Speaker 2I would highly recommend that you don't try it.
Speaker 3This is what my doctor, as of this moment, because you still have it on paper, says. Okay. I like this. Last one. Happiness is a choice?
Speaker 2Happiness is a cultivatable skill. Oh, that's a
Speaker 3good.
Speaker 2It's not a choice.
Speaker 3If you had to leave somebody here who's listening to this podcast with like one place to start, one truth, you like the pursuit of truth, one next step, tactical, what would it be?
Speaker 2Understand your problems before you solve them.
Speaker 3And spend more time on that than just the fixing.
Speaker 2Yeah. And one quick tip about that. One of the biggest reasons that that's hard to do is one way that the mind runs away from problems is by manufacturing bigger ones that demand your attention, especially for entrepreneurs whose personal life is a mess.
Speaker 3Yeah. Should we all go to an ashram? Do you think I would like an ashram? I'm kind of intrigued. I would not like it.
Speaker 2I mean, you can go if you want. I don't think you need to.
Speaker 3Really? Yeah. Why not?
Speaker 2So everything is an intervention. SSRI has a goal. Yeah, true. Therapy has a goal. Ashram has a goal. If you want to do a dedicated spiritual practice, you can go to an ashram. If you want to eat the food and be in the environment, things like that, you should go. But I think that the nice thing is that there's a lot of great spiritual practice that you can learn here. So if you want to go, then go. But should you go? That depends on if you want to go, go. Why would you go to an ashram? To do internal work. But internal work is done internally. It can be done anywhere. So if you want the lifestyle and the diet and the atmosphere and the social connection, the environment, then go to an ashram.
Speaker 3Now, orange is not my color. I don't think that would be. Did you wear orange when you were there?
Speaker 2No, I'm not a sannyas. I mean, a swami.
Speaker 3So is there any dress code? Was there a dress code at your ashram?
Speaker 2Sort of. I mean, people wore natural things. But my most recent dress code is I hate clothes. So I started doing that nudist. No, I mean, I'll wear a chandi. But like, like this, like a underwear. Okay. But like, I love that you point down there
Speaker 3and say the word like, I'm going to know what that is. You're like, yeah.
Speaker 2So I've done some very serious spiritual practice in the last two years.
Speaker 3In your underwear?
Speaker 2Huh? In your underwear. And I like can't wear clothes anymore. Like this is painful.
Speaker 3Yeah. That is wild. Wild. Yeah, it's weird. I can't actually wait for this headline, which is like Harvard psychiatrist no longer wear clothes. So next podcast, no clothing.
Speaker 2I'll think about it. There's there's some there's some branding stuff, right? We're like, now you name things.
Speaker 3And it's like, that does seem like that would do really well on Twitch. Healthy gamer everywhere. Yeah. So YouTube.
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Speaker 3And where's that? Healthy gamer. Yeah, same thing. This was amazing. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me.
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