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Hello, everybody.
I'm Gemma Spake.
And welcome back to the psychology of your 20s,
the podcast where we talk through the biggest changes,
moments and transitions of our 20s,
and what they mean for our psychology.
Hello, everybody.
Welcome back to the show.
Welcome back to the podcast.
New listeners, alt listeners,
wherever you are in the world.
It is so great to have you here back for another episode
as we, of course, break down the psychology of your 20s.
Today, I want to talk about heartbreak.
I want to talk about why it is so hard,
but also give you kind of a guide based on psychology
and my experience on how to get over it.
Maybe that's not even the best way to say it.
How to get through it, how to process the loss,
how to still feel strong enough to believe in love,
how to find love again.
I want to begin by telling you all the story of my worst break-up.
And when I say break-up, I should actually say break-ups
as in plural, in 2021.
I went through two break-ups in one year.
One with a person that I was in a long-term relationship with,
a serious relationship with,
and another with someone, you know,
and the relationship was a lot less serious,
but someone who I deeply cared for,
and I can admit to myself now, like,
definitely loved very, very much.
Let me describe kind of like the circumstances
of the two-in-one year break-up situation,
of the very tragic year that happened to me.
I had been dating my first very serious boyfriend
for about two years when I think I just realized, you know,
I think we both realized we just weren't right for each other.
I actually remember him.
I distinctly remember him trying to break up with me
a few months before we actually did,
because he was like, I'm writing my thesis,
and I'm just gonna be too busy for you,
and like, I need to focus all my attention on my writing,
and I won't have time to be with you,
and I don't know why, but I like stayed with him,
even though that was like the beginning of the end,
and eventually I was the person to break up with him.
Two days before Valentine's Day, I should say,
because, of course, that was my luck.
But it wasn't gonna work, and I think it was for the best,
and after we broke up,
we did this like on and off again thing for a few months
before I realized he actually had a new girlfriend.
He wasn't telling me about, and it was very embarrassing,
and I was in this small college town, and everybody knew,
and I kept telling people, like, we're gonna try and make it work,
meanwhile he was completely, like, he was seeing somebody else.
It was terribly painful, and it kinda took four months
for me to like officially begin to grieve our relationship,
because of all that happened,
and because there was this delayed emotional reaction,
it took me a while to realize, like, oh, this is it,
we actually aren't getting back together,
and that's when the grief really began.
I'm also very grateful for that breakup,
because OG listeners of the podcast will know
that is how the psychology of your 20s started,
and I think that it was like the thing that I needed
to expand my life, and to take a risk,
and to be creative, and to know what I cared about.
So I kind of owe him a bit of a thank you,
I owe him my dream job, so thank you very much.
But that is a different story for another time.
I think after that breakup,
I'd love to say that I like healed, and I moved on,
and I started dating an appropriate amount of time later,
but that is not the case.
I was really, really lonely, and I went back
on the dating apps well before I should have,
and I ended up in a six month situation with someone,
you know, I shouldn't have been in a relationship with,
but we ended up going on holidays together,
and we met, I met his parents,
and I really thought we like had this future,
which we never did, and from the beginning,
he was very clear, he didn't want a relationship,
he was never going to commit to me,
and, you know, I think that I just didn't want to hear that,
and I didn't want to see it,
and so I put a lot of hope and energy,
and love into this person, and then, you know,
six months later, that was the end, and I realized again,
like this person doesn't really respect me very much,
this person really doesn't want to be with me,
I can't force him to, and I have my heart broken again.
These moments now are so formative for the person that I am.
To the point where I genuinely think they are some of the things
that I am most grateful for in my life,
like those heart breaks shaped me,
and they also pushed me to an emotional limit that,
I think gave me some good wisdom to share on how to survive
these situations.
In the time since, like I've dated a few people,
I went through one other breakup,
where I got to apply so many of the learnings
from those two big breakups,
and now I'm in a three relationship with somebody
that I love so much, I adore him, he is incredible,
and, you know, almost five years on,
I want to look back today and just kind of give you
a psychological guide to how I got through it,
and how hopefully you can as well,
I know this moment is so painful,
and know that actually nobody experiences this
in the same way, and that I'm sure you think
you're never gonna find love again,
you're never gonna be able to survive without them,
you can't imagine a future where, like,
their name isn't in your phone,
and they don't know everything about you,
but I promise you will get there,
the feeling of emptiness you have won't be forever,
and I want to give you a little bit of a guide through.
So, without further ado, let's get into the psychology
behind how to survive your breakup,
how to survive heartbreak, stay with us.
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Let's start very, very simply,
why do breakups hurt so much?
And it might seem simple,
anybody who has lived through it knows it's deeply complex.
There are basically a few reasons
why you're in so much pain right now,
and there's a reason why they call it heartbreak,
because that deep feeling in your chest,
in your lungs, in your limbs is real literal physical pain.
We're gonna get to how I know that to be true in a second,
but the most simple rudimentary psychological explanation
for why a breakup hurts so much is this.
Love, like few other things makes us feel amazing,
to a degree that really has no rivals.
It makes us feel incredible to be seen,
to feel important, to connect with somebody else.
Obviously, it brings a lot of pleasure, to be loved,
to be like in this deep bonding moment with somebody,
and what's really behind those feelings,
what really drives those feelings is dopamine and oxytocin.
Oxytocin, especially is literally known as the love hormone.
And if you ever, if anybody ever managed to purify it,
and give it to somebody in a vile,
it would be one of the most potent and strong drugs out there.
It would also be one of the most addictive,
that is how intense of a drug and of a feeling it is.
Now, oxytocin isn't just about love,
it's also what allows us to bond and trust other people.
And it is essential for building neural pathways
that basically weave the memories
and our emotions about somebody into our brain.
They leave an imprint.
The memory of them will leave an imprint
on your neural structures.
And the flexibility of the brain means
that in response to all this really deep emotional intense
stuff, it adapts to expect it.
It adapts to deepen that imprint to become reliant
on the dopamine and the oxytocin provided by this person,
to rely on them more and more.
And so when it ends, and all those positive sensations go away,
and that imprint is no longer filled, suddenly,
there is a deep emotional psychological biological emptiness
that our brain just can't comprehend.
It can't comprehend that this person was here.
They were with us.
We love them.
And then it was over.
The whole was no longer filled.
Scientists and psychologists, you will hear
them make comparisons between a breakup
and literal drug withdrawal.
It is like your brain is detoxing from a substance.
And that substance is this other person.
You don't have access to them anymore.
And your brain still very much wants to.
Your brain still very much expects to.
And so you are undeniably left very hurt
and left very lacking or longing or yearning
because of this situation.
That pain you're feeling is not in your head.
It is very much real.
Studies, including a very famous one from 2012,
have shown that relationship breakdown
activates the same brain regions that process physical pain.
You've probably heard that before,
but the kind of pain they're describing
is obviously not the same as stubbing your toe or breaking a limb.
It's really known as social pain.
The pain of losing a social connection,
the pain of rejection, the pain of feeling deep longing
and missing for somebody that really connects to a pain
in how we saw ourselves that we no longer have.
We saw ourselves as this person who was attached
to this other individual.
We saw ourselves in a partnership.
We saw ourselves in a pair and we no longer do.
And so there is also a real identity shakeup
that is going on behind the scenes.
Back to that pain thing as well.
It's not like there is a hierarchy
where physical pain hurts more than this social pain.
Hurts more than this social loss.
They hurt equally, which might seem bizarre to say,
but they hurt equally because pain
is not actually experienced by the body.
It is experienced by the mind and by the brain,
specifically pain-related neural regions in your brain.
I could cut off your leg.
I could kick you in the shin.
You would not feel any of that as actual pain.
If the pain-related neural regions in your brain
were not working because you would have no way
of reading the sensation.
What that means is that the pain of a heartbreak
is processed in the same way and at the same capacity
and level as physical pain would be.
They use identical systems.
So I don't want you to discount what you're feeling
and think, this is not real.
This can't be as painful as I think it is.
This is all in my head.
Absolutely not.
There is real science behind why you feel the way that you do.
Breakups also leave us with an emotional void
where there's a lot of love that has nowhere to go.
And they also leave us with a near future void.
What I mean by a near future void is that it makes us
have to rapidly adapt to a new way of life
whilst also accepting the grief of a future
that is never going to happen.
You're not going to see each other every weekend.
The future trip that you so wanted to take
isn't going to happen.
They're not going to be at your birthday next year.
It's like they've been erased out
of all those future memories that you want to have.
All the things that you built, the routine,
the inside jokes, the connection,
the relationships with their family, the memories,
it feels like you have to erase them
not just from the past and the present but from the future.
And you have to say goodbye
and that those memories were maybe for nothing.
This has a name, it's called ambiguous loss.
Grieving something that hasn't happened yet
but that you still miss in a way.
Breathing the future that you really wanted
to build with this person,
building a life that you would deeply invest it in.
I personally think some of the hardest breakups
are the ones when it could have almost worked.
You think it's working.
You tried really hard or you were just blindsided
and the plans, the potential,
they would just like suddenly killed off in the moment.
You know, it's a random Monday night
and your whole life is suddenly different.
Half the pain is just having to adapt to this new reality
that you probably didn't want to find yourself in
in the first place.
I think it's the same for relationships
that maybe didn't have a serious label
just because you weren't boyfriend and girlfriend
just because you weren't formally together
even if it was a situation ship.
There is a part of you that always deeply hopes
that it could work out
and there is a part of you that really holds on to the what ifs.
And a lot of psychologists will tell you
that it's the what ifs that make the pain last as long as it does
and why it's so hard to find closure
because the opposite of closure is possibility
and that's what the what ifs are thriving in.
What if they just give me a chance?
What if things had been different?
What if we hadn't had that fight?
What if I hadn't broken up with them over that thing?
What if I just loved them a little bit more?
What if they just loved me a little bit more?
There was this psychology today article that I read
about this that said the reason these what ifs haunt us
is because they actually offer us a false sense of control.
If we can pinpoint what went wrong,
we can maybe fix it and get back together with them
or we can prevent it from happening again.
We search for things that will fill in the gaps of why this didn't work.
The hard truth is even if you could identify the exact moment
or reason that things fell apart,
it's probably not going to change the outcome.
The relationship ended for a reason and clinging to what if
really only prolongs your suffering.
I remember this is what happened with that situation
if I was in, where I just was trying to convince him constantly
that if he committed, we would be really good together.
What if you just believed me for a second?
What if you just saw what I saw?
Then we could have this amazing life together.
That whole situation was a fantasy and I was trying to force
somebody to believe in something that they didn't want proof of
and that they didn't necessarily want.
What it was really about was control.
We're trying to control a situation that made me feel really vulnerable
so that the outcome didn't make me feel worse about myself.
Now that we understand the pain, hopefully a little bit better,
I want to go through the life cycle of a breakup and what to expect.
What are the signs that you're healing?
What are the signs that you're getting better?
What kind of awaits you in the next chapter of this heartbreak?
Heartbreak is obviously different for everyone,
but the way the heart mends itself actually seems
to follow a very similar pattern and set of timelines.
Now I can't give you an absolute number.
I can't give you an exact date or the number of months
that it's going to take before you feel better,
but we can talk about the stages.
There have been a couple of attempts to kind of do this,
to kind of categorize the life cycle of a breakup.
The most famous one is obviously the stage of grief,
theory by Elizabeth Cooble Ross.
This theory, you've probably heard of it,
it basically was developed to describe how people move
through the grief that occurs when somebody dies.
People then realize it also applies to the grief
of one of relationship dies,
but the stages are denial, anger, bargaining, depression,
and acceptance that theory is you have to go through each stage
in your own time to get to a point
when you're really ready to move on.
I find that theory is quite accurate,
but I also have my own model that I think describes it
a little bit better, and I describe it
as the three waves of the breakup.
So before you even get into the breakup,
you think before you even actually start to be able to move on,
You are going to go through that stage of
shock and of denial. Every single one of us is going to have this. It could last a minute,
a day, a month, three months. Essentially, it's going to maybe take a while for you to
really realize the emotional situation you're in. And that's why it can take some time
for your emotions to catch up to your reality. Like I said, it took me four months to really
grieve that first breakup four months before I even cried because I was still in the shock
feeling. You know, you may wake up for a few days, you know, afterwards just kind of be
getting that it even happened. You may really genuinely feel that you're fine. You're already
over it. I'm sorry to say that feeling is a trick. That feeling is a lie. At some stage,
the gates are actually going to open. And that's when the healing and the heartbreak really
begins. And that's when the first wave actually occurs. The first wave of a breakup of any
breakup is what I call the emotional mess stage. After that shock falls away, this is when
you first encounter like the true reality, the raw truth of the emotional wreckage of what's
happened. In this first wave, you will do and you have permission to do stupid things.
It's a given. You're going to get bangs. You're going to try desperately to be friends with
your ex. You're going to keep going back looking for closure. You're going to get too drunk.
You're going to cry and embarrassing places. It is a requirement. If you have not gone
through this, you are probably still in the shock phase. What's really happening is that
all the love that you have has nowhere to go. So you respond impulsively. You respond
with great intensity. I tend to think of it as like the first stage of having an open
wound. Like blood is just gushing everywhere. And that's totally normal. This is when I
really recommend and I'm going to I know it's going to sound basic, but I really do recommend
you go no contact for 30 days. Whatever terms you ended the relationship on, good or bad,
neurologically, it's going to be easier for you to move on from this situation. If you
are not constantly triggered and reminded of their existence, or if their role and presence
in your life is not continuing to be reinforced, you need to stop those neurons and stop those
synaptic connections that associate you with them from firing. The way I really like to
describe it is when you go no contact, you're able to hear your own voice and feel your own
emotions more clearly. It's like being able to just have a conversation with yourself
without hearing somebody else's voice like talking over you. You're each going to handle
this breakup very differently. And at some stage, like each of you is going to try and
convince the other person to see it the way that you see it. You don't need that other
voice talking over how you feel and interrupting your emotional processing. Going no contact
just gives you the time to concentrate on what you think about the situation and to also
just kind of work through the pain. I always say that like going cold turkey on a relationship
might feel a lot more painful, but it speeds the process up a lot compared to slowly trying
to move away or slowly trying to withdraw from somebody which is just going to make the
pain and make the wound heal so much slower. During the first wave, typically an event will
trigger you to move into the second wave. And typically this is something that's a little
bit unfortunate. You find out that they're seeing somebody new, you have a big confrontational
chat after the no contact, you see their true colors, you realize finally the big reason
you can't be together. This pushes you into the second wave where the real deep healing
begins. Second wave, deep healing stage. The temporary fixes no longer work. Going out
doesn't keep the pain away. You can't outrun the serious grief that this relationship
isn't going to work. It's not going to come back. And this is when you feel very hopeless,
you cry a lot. It feels very dark. It's also when you really have to look at the pain
in the eye. Surviving this wave is mainly about time. But there are some things that will
definitely help as well. So not dating is a big one. Being around your friends, really
sinking deeper into your hobbies, dating yourself in a really active way, taking yourself
out for dinner, feeling up your social calendar with things that you're excited to do are
really going to help. When you start to kind of get into the flow of this, you're going
to be thinking about them a lot less. You're going to be thinking like, hey, I think I'm
going to survive this. That's when you experienced a third wave, which is acceptance. But before
you can get there, you are going to experience one more wave of grief. And I'm going to talk
about why that is, what it feels like, and how to get through that infamous third wave
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I truly think the second hardest part of a breakup after, of course, like the initial devastation
is actually always going to be right before things get easier very quickly. And I know this from
experience, not just my own, but from other peoples. The moment you think, I just don't think I can
survive this any longer, I'm doing everything I can, I can't stop thinking about them. That is truly
when you come to a state of acceptance. When you come to realize the only way I can survive this
is by understanding myself better and is by actually going further into the belly of the beast.
You begin to really find a lot more clarity. And this is where, in this third wave, I really recommend
you start journaling about what you've learned. You begin to see patterns more clearly. You begin to
be able to really soak in the lessons. It may also be in this third wave when you contact them
one last time. You do that final farewell. And it's when you really start to trust your intuition
again about maybe seeing other people making big life decisions. What's the next chapter for you
going to hold? You feel more optimistic for the first time in months than you feel pessimistic.
I want to make something clear. It is totally normal to be in wave three or beyond to be in like the
total acceptance stage and still get flashbacks of them to still find yourself thinking about them
even missing them. This is not a sign to get back together. These involuntary memory flare-ups
they are no more than what we call mind pops. And I talked about this in my book actually where I
did my whole chapter on heartbreak. These mind pops are something that psychologists and scientists
have labeled recently. It's basically where our brain just suddenly brings about memories and
information to the surface so that we can determine whether it's still relevant or not.
It is this involuntary memory recall that is triggered by the environment triggered by something
happening by a smell, a song lyric, a place, a food. We don't even know it and suddenly you're
right back in that place in time reminiscing on them all those years later. If a memory is
particularly emotionally loaded like it's going to come up a few times maybe just because your
board, maybe just because your inhibitions are undone. Don't try and be afraid. Don't try and
suppress these thoughts. They are super normal. They are nothing more than your brain just deciding
to fire in strange ways. Do not let it make you think that you need to go back to this person.
Want you to approach these mind pops cautiously and with neutrality.
It is totally normal that you're going to miss them. You felt connected. They were a part of your
life. Maybe things ended in an unsatisfactory way. That doesn't mean that you still have to be
emotionally invested in them. It's also essential to question how you may be romanticizing parts of
your relationship that never actually happened. There's a reason why we only remember the good times.
It's known as the Pollyanna principle. A positive cognitive bias is what is occurring whereby we
remember the good times more clearly than the bad and therefore we fix it on them more and they
give us an unrealistic view of the relationship. Often we romanticize the past to protect ourselves
from negative memories. In the process, we engage in something called selective recall. When we
think about our ex or some unrequited love, all we remember is what made them special and all the
other things, the unanswered messages, the lack of effort, the unhappiness that is left out.
It's no wonder you can't move on when you are remembering your entire relationship
incorrectly, despite your best intentions. I'm going to say something you may not want to hear
right now, but that's going to happen. There is no fast forwarding through a breakup. I think
grief, whether it lasts a week to five years, is the price you pay for love and I think it's a
pretty fair price. The second thing I'm going to say that you may not like is that you do have to
find the beauty in this a little bit or at least the romance. When I mean romance, what I really mean
is meaning. Why did this happen? How is this part of your story? What are you going to create from
this? Because by gosh, you are going to build and make something beautiful of yourself and your
life because of this pain, not in spite of it. I genuinely, I said that at the beginning,
breakups are just like such fertile soil to plant the seeds of your new life. There is so much
you can do out of the rubble of a breakup. I cannot express to you how my whole life is different
because somebody broke up with me and my whole life is different in a way that is
and I can tell is profoundly better than what it would have been if I'd stayed. Or if we'd broken
up, you know, five months, six months later, or if we'd actually never been together, it all makes
sense. It's all part of the story. So I think it's time to give you some of my tips, the best tips
that I use that I think are important for getting through this that are based in psychology.
The first big tip that I have for you is to survive this breakup you need to restructure your
environment. This involves getting rid of any reminders of this person. And then on top of that,
introducing new objects, new colors, new things, new images that reflect the new life and new
mindset that you are stepping into. After my first terrible breakup, I did a clean sweep.
Everything that reminded me of him, they went in a box and it went into storage. And I couldn't
tell you where that box is now. I just needed to be gone. I also ordered a bunch of posters of my
favorite art to hang up on my walls. I also painted a bunch of stuff in my room. I moved all of my
furniture around. I bought new bed sheets. I just wanted stuff that was going to represent me
and represent, you know, the life that I wanted to have as a single person. Research in environmental
psychology shows that our surroundings profoundly affect our emotions and behaviors, especially in
times like this. There is this very famous equation that was described by this individual called
Kurt Lewin. And his equation is basically the behavior. Your behavior is a function both of the
person you are and of your environment. So when your living space is filled with reminds of a
past relationship, how do you expect yourself to behave any differently when you are continuously
triggering memories and the emotional pain of this person and the fact they're not in your life
anymore. You need to be so deliberate about changing your environment, rearranging furniture,
redecorating, replacing so that the new physical cues in your environment symbolize the things
that you care about, symbolize the things that are independently important to you and symbolize
your new life. Okay, tip number two, get a project and make it a project or a hobby or something that
you have never showed interest in before and that they would know nothing about.
For me, that was this podcast. I cannot tell you like how important this podcast was for me to get
through those emotions. But what was so important about it was it was like I was learning all these
new skills. I was creating this whole new life of myself that he didn't know anything about
that had no, no connection to this individual. I also think that we are rarely as motivated to
prove something to ourselves as we are when we are in deep emotional pain. You know, you really have
like one of the purest forms of motivation for yourself right now. Heartbreak is like heroin
for getting stuff done and for reinventing yourself. You know, whether that is throwing yourself
into the gym, you know, riding a book, riding poetry, starting at garden, solo traveling, like
there is a reason half of the music out there is breakup songs. Every feeling that you have is
it's going to be right on the surface. It's so easy to access and it's so easy to take those
feelings and to convert them into something that you are really, really proud of. Number three,
my third tip is to get a breakup buddy. I was talking to my friend Grace about this the other day.
But having a friend or a person that is going through it with you makes this whole process
like totally more bearable. And I think it allows you to be more honest and reflective compared to
with your friends who are maybe still in relationships or people who haven't been through a breakup in a
while. When you talk through your breakup with your breakup buddy, you engage in a process that
psychologist called co-regulate.
And this is where two people actually help regulate each other's emotions because they're
going through something similar and they are sharing very vulnerability, their story,
their reflections and their truth.
And it actually allows us to feed off other people's calm, to feed off the other person's
emotions, to feed off their learnings.
There was a 2011 study on emotional disclosure that found expressing painful emotions to someone
who was in similar circumstances to you actually reduces depressive symptoms and improves recovery
time for all number of illnesses, including heartbreak.
It also just makes you a lot less lonely.
I think the loneliness is the hardest part of this, right?
Maybe since this relationship occurred, a lot of your friends have found themselves
in relationships and maybe you're the last single person.
People are busy, maybe you live in a new city, that loneliness can have you running back
to a less than good relationship faster than you can say boo because it is the only thing
that's going to make you feel good.
So find your person.
Trust me when you start looking, they're everywhere.
They're in book clubs, run clubs, raves, gallery opening friends, birthday parties.
You're going to find somebody who was also going through their biggest heartbreak, just
like you, and it's going to be your biggest comfort, and I think it's going to be something
you guys can always look back on, like you went through the trenches together.
You went through this really hard time together.
This kind of links to a bigger tip in general.
You really need to get out of your head and into the world and commit to meeting your
people.
You may have lost your main connection, you know, you may have lost this person that you
love, but researchers estimate that that relationship is worth about five smaller friendships
or connections.
So what that means is that, you know, that's not a loss.
Now you have all this space.
It's like finding a whole new closet that you get to fill.
Like you have all this space in your life for new connections and new relationships filled
the closet, filled the closet with these new people.
That sounds really creepy.
Just fill your time in your space with connections that platonically might outlast your next
relationship or the one after that.
My fourth tip is to use the power of visualization to allow yourself to see the relationship more
clearly and also see your future more clearly.
I want you to visualize the next five years of your life in two ways.
The first way is what would your life look like five years from now if you'd stayed?
You can write about this, you can journal this if you need, but what would it have looked
like, honestly, if you had stayed?
And secondly, what do you actually want it to look like in five years?
And what do you now have the opportunity to do because you are not in this relationship?
This exercise just asked you to be really, really honest with yourself.
There was a reason this relationship didn't work out.
Even if the reason was simply because the other person wasn't in love anymore, there
are things that can't be forced and there are things that would have eventually eroded
the relationship, would have meant that you would have broken up further down the line.
What was this relationship asking you to be and what was it asking you to become that
maybe wasn't going to be your best and now that you're not in it, you now have this
opportunity to shape the next five years, the next 10 years, 20 years of your life in
a whole different environment, a whole different space, maybe in all these different relationships
and places, how are you going to go about it?
I think what this question is really asking you to do is to just get clear on the vision
for yourself.
You know, it's just you.
What do you want?
What do you want to strive for?
What do you want to turn this loss into because there are like so many big wins that come
out of just investigating and really questioning, what do I actually want from my life?
And now you don't have somebody else in it that you have to think about.
It's just so much more room for freedom.
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I think we often look for closure in the other person and we look for closure in that
final conversation.
That final thing they're going to say to us, it's going to make us realize why it ended
why it was the way it was in my final.
tip. I need you to write the story of your relationship and write the finish or the closing
chapter of your relationship for yourself as if you are telling the story of your relationship
as a folk story or as a lesson to a younger, a younger version of you or to your future
children or almost like a fairy tale. Write the beginning, write the middle of the relationship
and write the end but also write why you think it ought to happen and maybe even if you
want to project into the future, write about why this relationship was actually a stepping
stone and what it may be guiding you to that is bigger than you. This really leverages
the power of something we call narrative psychology. Narrative psychology is basically the study
of how we make sense of our lives through stories and it plays a really powerful role in
healing after a breakup. According to the narrative psychologist Dan Pemick Adams, we construct
our identity through personal narratives that link our past, present and imagined future
into a coherent whole. And when something disrupts that story and doesn't make sense with
what we thought was going to happen like a breakup, that's when we experience a lot of pain.
The story is disrupted, like the plot line that we once shared is suddenly incomplete.
So writing the story of your relationship as a lesson or from your perspective allows
you to engage in that reconstruction process and it allows you to really make meaning
from this grief and from this loss in a manner that is very, very powerful. I want to give
you a bonus tip, speaking of closure and healing and I know I've talked about this in another
episode on heartbreak, but I'm going to say it again, I need you to make a breakup playlist.
Maybe you already have one, but music and heartbreak are like the perfect pairing. 2014
study actually found that breakup songs help you heal because they promote emotional
expression and therefore give you an outlet compared to emotional suppression. There's also
this additional funny part to this tip as well, which is that I think having a very specific
breakup playlist actually allows you to track how your response or how your healing is
going based on how you respond to the music. So what I mean by that is that it's often
very hard to see how far you've come, how much your grief is actually moving or healing
because we don't always have that linear, like linear state of mind when we're going through
something really, really difficult. Recently I listened back to my breakup playlist from
that year of breakups and I remember listening to these songs and sobbing and I remember having
such an emotional reaction and I listened to those songs the other day and I felt nothing.
I just felt neutral, I didn't feel sad, I didn't feel nostalgic, I didn't feel excited.
I just felt nothing and it was this really profound way of seeing how I have changed
and how I have obviously, I've very obviously healed but how like something that I once thought
was going to define my life and then I was never going to recover from, I did something
I thought I was never going to get over, I got over and my life is now so, so much better.
And I think that's really where I want to kind of finish this episode, like it's very
easy to feel pessimistic about love and it's very easy to feel like because this relationship
didn't work out, I'm never going to find anyone better because I'm feeling so intense
and deeply pained by the ending of this relationship, that's a sign that this person was the one.
That's just not the case.
I never thought I would feel pain, any deeper pain than the way I did with my first
boyfriend and then I did, I felt even more pain for somebody who was a lot less deserving
of my love and even then, like that actually said nothing more than that I was just attached
and it was always going to be hard to get over and now I'm in this amazing relationship
and I wish that I could just sit down with my younger self and just say you've just got
to get through this, this is an important emotional experience and you're going to find
love.
If not in your 30s, eventually you will.
I always love hearing stories of people who find love a little bit later on.
I think about my aunt who dated terrible men for years and then at 57 met like the love
of her life, who she has never been more in love with and who she just adores or my grandma
who divorced my grandfather in her 40s and then met who I really do consider to be my
grandfather and he like moved her to Australia and took her to Africa and made her an important
part of his business and just think she's incredible at 90 years old.
True love really does exist and sometimes I do think it's waiting behind heartbreak.
It's begging you to let go, to leave this person, to learn as much as you can from the situation
because it knows what else is coming and I know you're in so much pain right now I know
you think you're never going to get over them, but whenever you feel pessimistic about
the future without the minute, look for the big love stories because you will find them.
And remember like your biggest love story, like you are the love of your own life.
The relationship you have with yourself matters more than anything and it's from that
that all other relationships form.
So focus on you for a while, focus on being so magnetic and amazing and in love with
yourself that whoever comes to the door next, whoever you meet next, whether it's in two
months, two years or 10 years is just going to undeniably know that you know yourself,
know that you deserve respect and know their feelings for you are true and that you're
the one and that they love you.
And I'm sure absolutely positively, like you can take me to the bank that you will find
somebody like that, even if you are in the pits of sadness and despair right now.
So thank you so much for listening to this episode, I hope that this guide has been
helpful.
There was so much more I wanted to say.
I like had to deliberately like just not talk about so much other stuff.
I really wanted to talk about like when you know, when you know it's time to date again,
what to do or somebody moves on first, but feel like we might just have to do a part
two of this episode because I spoke for way too long, but yeah, I'm sending you a lot
of love with your little heart broken at the moment.
I'm sure you're taking very good care of it, but I hope that you're healing and I hope
that you're mending it.
I hope that this episode you can take something from it and put it into practice.
If you have made it this far, leave a few emojis down below that explain such capture where
you are in the breakup right now.
And whether you're in wave one, wave two or wave three, I want to know I'm sending love
to my wave one, my wave one people.
I'm sure it's very, very brutal, but yeah, leave a little comment down below.
The emojis that describe your current state of mind with your breakup, but also what
wave you're in.
Make sure to maybe share this with somebody else who you think might really need to hear
it.
Your breakup buddy and follow us as well on Instagram at that psychology podcast.
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and make sure that you are following wherever you are listening, whether that is on Apple,
on the iHot Radio app on Spotify, so that you know when we post new episodes, but with
all that in mind, thank you again for listening and until next time, be safe, be kind, be gentle
to yourself and we will talk very, very soon.
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The podcast explores the psychological impact of heartbreak, explaining that grief activates the same brain regions as physical pain due to the emotional and biological dependence on a relationship.
Breakups trigger “ambiguous loss” and “what-if” thoughts, which prolong emotional pain by creating false feelings of control and possibility.
A three-wave healing model—shock, emotional mess, and acceptance—is described, with advice to go no-contact, journal, create new routines, and visualize future life.
The show emphasizes that heartbreak fosters self-growth, and that building a new narrative and identity is essential to healing.
Health trends are critically examined by the "Health vs. Hype" segment, separating science-backed advice from misinformation.
Financial wellness, personal growth, and intentional habits (like journaling or making a breakup playlist) are promoted as tools for emotional recovery.
Summary:
This podcast episode from "The Psychology of Your 20s" delves into the deep emotional science behind heartbreak, explaining that it activates the same brain regions as physical pain due to the release of love hormones like oxytocin and dopamine. The show details a three-wave healing process: initial shock and denial, followed by an emotional "mess" stage involving intense reactions and attempts to reconnect, and finally acceptance through self-reflection and new habits. Key psychological insights include the role of "what-if" thoughts in prolonging grief, the danger of romanticizing past relationships, and the importance of creating new routines, environments, and narratives to foster healing.
The host shares personal experiences of multiple breakups and emphasizes that heartbreak, while painful, is a transformative experience that leads to self-growth and better future relationships. Additional segments feature financial wellness (Bank of America’s Safe Balance Banking), health misinformation (Health vs. Hype), and lifestyle tools like Vinted and whoop.
The overarching message is that although recovery takes time, it is possible—heartbreak is not a dead end but a catalyst for building a stronger, more authentic self. The episode ends with encouragement to find love again, affirm one’s self-worth, and embrace the journey of healing.
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Breakups cause deep emotional pain because love triggers powerful chemicals like oxytocin and dopamine. When the relationship ends, the brain experiences a withdrawal-like emptiness, activating the same brain regions as physical pain.
The first wave is emotional chaos, including strong impulses and attempts to reconnect. The second wave is deep grief and hopelessness, requiring time and self-care. The third wave is acceptance and emotional clarity, where healing begins to take root.
The podcast recommends removing reminders of the ex, starting a new hobby or project, finding a breakup buddy to co-regulate emotions, and creating a vision for the future to foster personal growth.
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