- People of the UK and Ireland, I'm coming to you live. Imagine that, me on stage in your city. Dublin is completely sold out, but everywhere else has got limited tickets left and you can get yours now at Chris Williamson.live. This is a custom built live show. I absolutely adore it. I've spent over a year working on it. So if you're a fan of everything modern wisdom, come and see me on stage this October around the UK and Ireland, Chris Williamson.live. - You have spent a lot of time training physically. I'm interested in how you think about training mentally, how that comes into your development goals. - Who for, for me, or because I feel like I end up splitting how I'm thinking about training between myself, of course, 'cause I care about my own training, but with all the videos I make, I'm talking kind of to everybody, 'cause I want to be able to give reasonable tips, at least from my own experience. So I'm half thinking, "Okay, what kind of bar do I want?" But also, what's semi-reasonable for someone else? Because for me, I'm gonna say, you wanna go into a steak dinner like last night. Okay, this Wellington's probably 50 grams of carbs, probably 20 grams of fat, I can tell. It's a little greasy. And however, like, super specific about all sorts of stuff. But I'm not gonna say that is the bar. First, somebody who just started working out. 'Cause he got a creepier way up to it. So it's like, you know, I always make this sort of analogy where it's not necessarily where you are specifically. I mean, we're about to see the Olympia this week. There's gonna be dudes who are, they wouldn't even, they would fill the frame right here. Like they'd have to adjust the camera quite a lot, yeah. And I don't look at that and think, "Oh my God, I'm so small." All I'm really kind of proud of is like, man, every time I see a picture of like younger me, and I'm like, "Oh, I don't even know if you believe it." Like where I'm at now. But it's like just gradually raising the bar for yourself, meeting it, but now you gotta raise it again, 'cause now you've met it and it's like normal. So it's probably the biggest thing I think about. It's like even now, like I've been working out for, it's like eight years, pretty much. I'm still thinking like, okay, I wanna raise my own bar. Like there's no end to it either. Like there's no end point where I'm like, okay, now I'm totally perfect and I know everything. And like everything I do is awesome. It's like I'm always just trying to creep up. Like what can I do a little better? Like what can I do a little bit harder? And like the more you do that, going harder becomes more normal. And now I feel like I'm kind of spoiled 'cause the dude who's at your gym, who's like the most jacked, just looks insane. He looks like he's going the hardest. He actually has it the easiest 'cause now he has like adapted himself to doing that. For him, this is a normal day. If you think he's going crazy hard, it's because you're not used to that level. But it's almost like I wanna, like I've got two sort of approaches. Like I wanna bring it super hard, but I also wanna like be able to tell myself, I could do this set as hard as possible, just like that, like nothing. Like I wanted to be seamless, but still actually really bring it extra hard. - Effortless effort in that way. - Yeah, there's this, I don't remember where I heard it. Someone commented on one of my videos after I said it, but I really like this analogy. It's called practice without striving. So you're going as hard as you can, but you want that going as hard as you can, so just be seamless. Like it's just what you do. Like move with the gym, I mean, what? How long till you look like you've done something? How long until you look like you lost a bunch of weight? It's like years. Guys will come up to me at a fitness expo, and it's like, look at this picture. 200 pound guy, 500 pound picture. And I've been making these videos for so long that he says, your videos got me to start doing this. And it just feels like totally crazy for me to even hear that. 'Cause every time someone is like, you know, I've been tracking my calories, I've been doing my cardio. Like I know they actually are thinking about things differently than regular people, which I can blame just regular American upbringing. You know, everybody just thinks bread makes you fat and you know, just eat your vegetables. And like that's the extent of what a healthy diet is. But it's just a lot of just going harder than I've gone before. - I find so many times, it's a fortune, I think, that you have, and I know that I have as well. Whatever like autism, adjacent audience I've decided to cultivate, some of the comments and the feedback that I get are, I'm like, I then end up citing that in future. I'm like, that's essay worthy. Now happens all the time. And someone just comments on one of your videos, and they're like, oh, that's now an idea handle that explains the shit that I thought I came up with. Better than I could have done. So like thank you for this, it's like a human centipede, but like you're all attached to each other, just helping each other to sort of feed. On the sort of lowering the baseline or raising the minimum level of bad performance or. - Pretty much. - What my worst day looks like. There's this great line from Floyd Mayweather. I think he's talking about, I think it's actually about fighting with Logan Paul, which makes it way less romantic. But Floyd Mayweather talks about facing an opponent, and he says, I don't go to beat you with my A game. I could beat you with my CD or E game. And I fucking love that idea that even on my worst day, I'm still better than I need to be to do what I want to get done. And that's obviously in a competitive environment. But similarly it could be, I can still make progress on a day when I don't want to go in, because I've drilled the basics, the muscle activation, the diet, I've got all of the things sorted, controlled all of the shit that I can, so that when some of the stuff that I usually can control gets out of control, progress is still made and I still move forward. - Yeah, I think a lot of people right now are kind of falling for this tutorial-based mindset where they're thinking, okay, what are the steps that I need to do to achieve whatever my goal is? And it's like the step is a workout, and dieting in a certain way, and cardio and whatever, or this is kind of an always main guys will be, essentially just hyping up very, it's just strange workout movements. Like doing a curl in a very weird way, where they lean over in a certain, or like climbing into a machine and using it backwards, which I'm not always against, because sometimes I'll do stuff in the gym where I'm like, it's just kind of funky. - Have you seen you do curls with a hamstring machine before? Did I make that up? - Leg curls on a leg extension. - That's it. - You stand on a backwards, and it's the same as a leg curl. But that actually works. So it's not like I'm saying you can't change this stuff up. - I mean, I've seen people get into Smith machines from the ground up. That's usually interesting to see. You know what I mean? Like they put a couple of yoga mats underneath them, and now they're doing an inverted leg press using the Smith machine. - Yeah, I'd categorize that as funky. - Okay. - You've got to see some of the stuff. These dudes are like, they're doing a squat variation on a seated cable row. - How? - They like put a straight bar on their hips, and like they then load it from there. - Okay, facing the other way. So facing away from it. - It depends on the machine. Either way, you wouldn't catch me doing it. But it's this just idea that if I do something the right way specifically, it will work for sure. And they're highlighting this like just, and I mean, that's kind of how we're all raised, right? First grade, you pass your test, second grade. And it's like, you know, is that really that much of an accomplishment? And it's kind of just like status quo. But get into the gym. It's like if I do this workout right, and if I do 10 reps, that's perfect. Whereas in my head, I'm like, well, you could put me in a hotel gym with just 40 pound dumbbells. And I could probably get a good workout in for any body part. Like even legs. Then during COVID, what I would do is I would take a belt, like for your pants, wrap it around a dumbbell onto my ankle. Sit on a. - Now we're getting funky. - Well, this is because there's nothing else to do. - Okay, sit on the bench. - Sit on a bench, and you're doing a leg extension. - Single leg extension with your leg dumbbells on your foot, like things like that. And I just think it's way more important to just, like this is the most simple thing anybody could ever say, but just go harder. Like a set of straight dumbbell curls, which anybody, everyone in the world would know. If you ask them, how do you build your biceps? They say do a dumbbell curl. They wouldn't say do an inverted preacher curl, triple drop set. They wouldn't say do self-assisted whatever. They're just gonna say do a dumbbell curl. So I think there's as much value as there is in like, super specific training and everything. Like if you just go harder, you're probably gonna get better results. - So the secret to building muscle is just go harder. - Well, there's more to it. - But as you look at the training principle. - Yeah, like as a theme, I think that's overarching, way more important than necessarily training right. And I get myself in trouble. 'Cause by saying that, that sounds like I'm saying, don't train right, just train hard. It's more like, this should be first and this should be second. Like they're close to equivalent values, but I'd rather train super hard than super smart. It's kind of how I would put it. - What do you make of the exercise science, sort of optimal structure that's kind of a big wound? - I'm a little annoyed. - Not annoyed, but what kind of like peas me is, the people in these studies are not me. And they're not a lot of other people who want to work out super hard either. I mean, they're based on like the regular dude. [BLANK_AUDIO]
And what's the regular guy, like FDA-based, what, 5, 9, 180 pounds, 2,000 calories per day, 50 grams of protein per day, I mean no activity, you know, what regular person has like cardio actually in their routine, you know, you're just not normal. These studies aren't, it's just not necessarily directly related. So I'm not saying they're not. But you're going to have more, there's more to gain from just going into the gym and going harder than sitting at home reading a book about training, is how I feel about it. But again, that doesn't mean I'm not saying that this information isn't valuable. But there's like intellectual value and there's practical value, you know, intellectually guys are going to be very interested to say, oh, well, we just came up with this new, like life-assaded fat for this protein bar, like, you know, the David bars where they have this thing. I don't know, I don't know the specifics, but it's like, oh, we have this really crazy specific thing. And like, ooh, that's very interesting. And that probably does have benefits of, you can eat something that makes you feel more full, but you don't actually break down the calories or whatever, or you just not eat as much. And they both result in the same end state. So I think it's, you know, guys are going to look at that and say, oh, well, man, if I just eat 30 David bars every day, I guess I'm going to get a link. And it's like, no, it's just not easy. Someone has tried that. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. There's a trend online at the moment, which you might have been tracking. And it seems like you're talking about the same thing, but in health and fitness, which is a pushback against overoptimization. So it's called grind slop in my world, which is people sort of over obsessing about how it's always trying to optimize each different part of their day, the perfect morning routine and then the perfect nutrition habits and then ensuring that sleep and wake time is completely dialed and no room for resilience or redundancy that's in there. And it seems to me like that trend of people feeling like everything is homework, I'm overwhelmed with this. This is too much. I'm a bit fatigued and exhausted. I do think that the volume of information people are consuming through social media and AI plus uncertainty about whether I'm going to have a job in future and whether the geopolitical climate is going to cause me to, you know, is this country even going to exist in the next 50 years? Who knows? All of that is just making people feel a bit burdened by things. And it feels a little bit like what you're saying here is learning robust principles that work in a lot of different environments inside of the gym is more useful than trying to just have individual tactics that you snipe each time. In the same way as I try to get enough sleep and if I am tied, I go to bed, understanding the principles of regularity, duration, cold, quiet stuff like that. That is a better principle to follow than I will completely obsessively have this particular routine because that has fragility, break into the system, if you break it, then it no longer works. Like a fact in Paris, and do you think? Yeah, I think it's definitely similar. It's like, crap, my house is about to burn down. Well, I can't call 911, my phone has blue light. I got to go to sleep. I can't look at blue light right now. I guess I'm boned. Yeah. Obviously, that's like a stupid extreme. Yeah, it's, you know, I got this comment getting back to like how the comments are a good reflection where a guy, what are this full day of eating? I mean, a big bowl of egg whites and rice, eating this chicken pop high casserole. My wife made me sweet steak, rice cakes, like just what I would consider an effective day of eating for what my goals are. I'm not going to say it's specifically the best for someone else, but for me, this makes sense. And these are all pretty solid foods. All the protein was what I'd call like S tier, like beef, chicken, some dairy, eggs, fish. Like S tier protein. I got comments, well, what about the protein and the rice? I'm going to call that D tier protein. If it's in there, I'm not counted. It's like, it's very, it might just be one of the amino acid chains, which isn't really going to do anything for you. But the comment basically goes like, I can, or what I said in the video was, look, you're not going to see me make an extra fancy avocado toast with like a perfectly sliced thing and let show you the picture and it looks really nice. Like, that's just for fun for like an Instagram full day of eating, like, oh, I eat my avocado toast every morning with my Himalayan salt that I get imported from overseas. Like, that's fun to look at, but like, that's just not even real. And the comment was basically just like, thank you. I've seen so many avocado toast videos, like I've been working out for 20 years. I wish more people were hyping up just the basics of like get your protein in, get however many carbs you need, don't eat too many fats, like, you know, kind of things like that. Just that trend, is it called boykibble or like mankibble or something? Yeah. It's, oh, yeah. It's like just the guy ball. It's slop. It's, it's, it's eat, eat, eat your slop, eat your slop. It's some form of meat with probably potatoes or rice in a large bowl with some sauce. And if there's vegetables, they're on, they're in a different location. They don't, there it is. Viral social media trends. Yeah. Yeah, trends, there it is. So it's this, it's that. It's all of those things. It's just, you take a carb, a protein, and then some sort of vegetable or sauce, you just mix it all together and look at that guy on the tank top. There it is. Down, down one and a bit from the cursor on the left. Yeah. There it is. What is boykibble? All about the viral trip. Boykibble to girl, down. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He definitely knows how much protein and how many carbs and how many fats are in that bowl. You know what I love? Every man, every Jim bro has a favorite bowl in the house. I remember for a good while. I must have had, fuck, at least 50% of my life calories for probably about five years from in one bowl, and I couldn't get it again. It was discontinued in Ikea. I was treating it like a fucking Bitcoin, I'm like, there's a limited supply. They're not fungible. I can't get this bowl back again, but like the perfect bowl, I think, is an underrated hack. It needs to be high sides. It's the only thing that's spilling it. Yeah. Exactly. So, you can have it for a small meal, big meal needs to be microwaved, safe, because you're going to reheat or like heat a little, heat it in the glass to put away, but it needs a little bit. It just needs another minute. I'll pop it in. But yeah, I think a high quality bowl is an underrated life hack for most guys. Yeah. I think so. I guess mine must have evolved over time, because if it used to be like a smaller Pyrex, now if I'm looking in the cupboard, I'm like, okay, we've got this set of plastic ones. You know, maybe. No plastic bowls. Come on. Okay. Sorry. I haven't been using them as much as what I'm saying, but it's like if I want a bowl that's big enough to mix all this stuff in and not spilling it in, it's got to be like a full, maybe two gallon. What's a big salad bowl? It's like a beach bowl that's being cut off. Exactly. The hot top half of it's being cut off. Yeah. It's perfect. Yep. Just bring it wherever you go. Very, very strong on that. But no, I know what you mean around the way that food looks. I'll make one argument, which is any bread, either toasted or untosted, cut corner to corner as opposed to side to side, immediately tastes about 20% better if you cut it corner to corner to corner. Something about the aesthetic of that type of bread, I think, which highly improves it. Second thing is Rob Henderson's got this fucking awesome line. He says, working class food tastes better than it looks and upper class food looks better. Better than it tastes and every bit of boy kibble or Jim bro food. If you were to post it online, it's like that, that slop, you posted a bowl of slop on the internet. No one cares about it. But like that will taste better than some perfectly garnished thing that's well presented on a bunch of wood. Yeah. I think one thing that's kind of underestimated about it too is like, well, there's a different method of enjoyment when you eat a bowl of food like that because most people like regular kind of folk, let's say they're not as tapped in with like, they don't count their carbs or whatever. Well, they're looking at food as though this is just a thing for me to enjoy right now. I want to enjoy this. Why would I eat this bowl of rice and steak? That seems crazy. Whereas for somebody like us, I'm looking at this and I'm like, okay, I get the food enjoyment because for one, it does not taste bad. You guys are eating with your eyes and I'm still, you know, feel super full after. So like the enjoyment of the food for me is still fine. 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that's gym.sh/modernwistim and modernwistim10. Check out. - You jump scared people with your marriage announcement a couple of months ago. - Yeah, this is something I get sometimes. I get another comment. And that's to just bring up all the comments. But it was essentially like, you know, Sam, we see you all like every day for the last like four years. There's so much we still don't know. - It's like. - Secret wife. - Well, secret fiance. - Exactly. - Turning wife. - Yeah, that's a long time in the making. But yeah, it's like, I'll see dudes where it's not as though I think you're setting yourself up for like failure. But what I think happens is they make videos. If you make videos about the gym, it's very repetitive. I mean, I've, I don't know if I could even estimate how many chest days have been uploaded. It's in the hundreds. - So if you can chat GPT, how many chest days has Sam Sue look uploaded on his YouTube channel? That'd be hilarious. - It's probably about 250. Because there's like 1,200 videos. And it's usually chest every four days. So a quarter. So at least 250 of a chest day. And for me, I'm like, well, this is just what I'm doing. This is a thing to build over time. And it's just kind of fun for me to do. So I like it. But some guys they get very view obsessed. And it's a. - Well over 200 videos. - Yeah, exactly. - We didn't need chat GPT, we had Sam GPT here. - Yeah, I already knew the data. But I think this is just maybe something that's fitness centered. I'm sure it happens to people who post about everything else too. When it's just them. - They need to spice it up. - Yeah, it's not. - You spice it up every time. - It's a little different. - But they're like, well, what can I talk about? Ooh, let's talk about drama. Which is usually step one. But then, ooh, let's talk about my own drama. I'm like, why are you guys are crazy? Not like I'm saying, I get up into drama, I'm hiding. But it's like, I've got a. There's like on the camera, Sam. And then my normal day is just like for me. So it's just how I can go about it. - Mary Harrington talks about a digital hijab. She says that the certain parts of her that are for the internet and then the certain parts are for private. And it is interesting. I'm really glad that I did the type of content vertical that I have done, which is where it feels like there's still bits of life that are for me. And I can choose to open up about them or not. But, you know, there's a piece of advice for anybody that's considering pursuing writing or a video or short form aphorism stuff or fuck me like music or whatever. When you open the door to that part of your life, it's very hard to close it. So I think levels of personal disclosure should be done very carefully with a lot of thought. If you bring up this relationship, if it ends in future, people will still be asking you about the relationship. And if you're in a new one, your new misses is gonna be mad at the fact that your audience thinks that you're now, and then they're just gonna having a relationship's hard, having a relationship and public's gotta be infinitely harder. So all of that, like the level of personal disclosure, I think is an interesting one. How, from your side, how has married life changed your conception of you and the way that you sort of face the world? Is there been that personal philosophy changes now that that home base is fully, fully cemented? - Yeah, I think so. Maybe, I don't wanna compare marriage to the gym. That's a little (laughs) - Go on. - But one of those absolute answer ever, tell me about how marriage is similar to the gym. Go on. - I know, right. So this is just something I've thought forever about guys who've been, 'cause now I've been, I've been making these videos. They've been all kind of blown up for years at this point. So I see guys who are in my position in different kind of areas. And I'm like, oh, you're 35 and you're dating around. You should be doing cooler stuff than that. Like, I think now, probably the biggest flex that I see is when it's like Chris Hemsworth surfing with his kids. I'm like, that is sweet. Like, I got another question and I was like, "Sammy, you ever gonna have kids?" Totally. 'Cause like, that's, when I look at a guy like that or hear what they say, I mean, he'd probably trade any material thing that he's gotten or whatever for that. Like, he knows that that's the most valuable thing he's got. Look at Seabum. Seabum did trade everything that he'd worked for for his wife and his kids. Well, it helps that he got everything first as well. Of course. So a little different. But yeah, it's like, there's, so again, he got like so familiar with you. We're like, oh, you're super cool. And like you're doing your videos and you're going up on stage and whatever. But it's like, you know, you're also you for the rest of your life. There's things that you want to kind of progress in over time. Like that Jim comparison, like, well, what's the difference between like 20 year old you versus 30 year old you? Or like, no, 24 to, you know, like 30. Like there's things that just take time, you know? Or like when guys are, and this is probably different for younger guys now, where it's everything's very career focused, like, oh, well, you know, I don't, I don't have time for kids right now. Like nothing like I'm saying, I'm going to have a kid in like two months or anything. But the logic is like, oh, well, you know, I'm not ready. Or, and when I hear that, I'm like, well, when, when are you going to be ready, man? You know, like times kind of ticking. So I think if you ever get into a situation where you could see, like, okay, there's actually a really long term thing that we can build here and like, it's super valuable. Like you just love it. Like literally, well, why wouldn't you want to do that? But a lot of guys are very, I mean, you tell me what you think. But I think anti, maybe not anti, but just like a creative commitment like that. It's like, oh, I want to keep, I got to keep my options open. - I ask the live show that I'm doing. I did one last night and partway through the show, I ask the women in the audience, what are the problems that they're hearing from their girlfriends, from when they're dating men. And one of the most common ones is won't commit. And there's this weird situation that people get into, I think, where, like, cynicism is a good defense against heartbreak and betrayal. It's very effective at doing that. But the trouble is that you get so good at it that you accidentally defend yourself from ever falling in love or ever being committed. And yeah, I like to fly the flag for a generation of guys who certainly focused on the build first. There is something to be said for working your own shit out and getting yourself set. There is something for that. But the situation I think you're pointing at is if you find the person, feel like, oh, this is my fucking person. This is nothing that's missing from this. And still you decide to do the postponed thing because you've got your eyes set on something else. That, I think, is almost unanimously just an error. It's like, what? Good career and an unhappy marriage will make you miserable, but a bad career and a happy marriage will mean that you probably don't give a fuck. So like, just weigh those priorities appropriately. Like, and you don't know what you don't know either. If you're someone that's very focused on career, you can't understand how fulfilling having a deeply connected relationship could be. And if it made all of the other things in your life sort of pale into insignificance, even a little bit, or maybe a lot, it will fuck. Like, why wouldn't I do that? It's just a huge performance enhancer where you can step on stage at the Olympia knowing that you've done absolutely everything that you can really trying your hardest being proud of what you've done. And whether you win or you lose, you go back to your partner and she still thinks that the sun shines out of every part of you. Like, that's like, I literally, even if I lose, I win. And I think the same thing is true for women now as well as that, you know, increasingly having to have careers and pressure on them to be professionally successful and stuff like that. So yeah, I think the relationship, like, competitive advantage, not to talk about relationships as a productivity tool, but the competitive advantage of having someone that's just always in your corner. The rest of the world kind of is, that love is mostly predicated on what you do, not who you are. Mm-hmm. And being in a relationship with somebody that really cares about you is predicated on who you are and doesn't really give a fuck about what you do. She's pretty great. Yeah, it's hard to, I don't know, it's hard to advertise that though, because now someone might be thinking, like, I can't need to find this thing. But it's like, it's not necessarily something you find, it just kind of happens. But what you just said about the idea of like, having everything set before, like looking for a long-term relationship, like, I've been hearing that a bunch. Like when I talked to some of my friends about it, it's like, well, you know, once I get this business started and you know, once I sell this thing, I'm like, well, how long is that going to take? Yeah, so now you're just delaying what you definitely think is probably the fun part, which would be like, like, I told my one buddy, I'm like, you definitely know that in the future, you're thinking like, however many kids, house, you and her, like that's like-- - Like Matriva. - Yeah, exactly. Like, you definitely are thinking that's where that is at the end, for sure. So what, how are you not acting in a way that would like build towards that now? Because if you fast forward, you would want to think like, that is way more important than any of this other stuff I have, not to say you don't also want it, but you can just do both at once. - I think you're an example of unusual self-awareness in that regard. Like most people, certainly me included, I actually had my head on my own ass until I was about 28, 29, building the business thing. And this is why I said sort of speaking [BLANK_AUDIO]
generation of guys. Fortunately, there are conversations, like, and examples of people like you or like Chris Bumstead, like, see, Bum's only what, like, 32, something like that, I think, 32, 33. So still, like, pretty young. Everything he's fucking done. Oh, yeah. Um, that 15 years ago, when I just left university, after doing two degrees, the internet wasn't talking about that, like, YouTube was PewDiePie videos. And maybe not even that, right? It was, it was bullshit. Like, there wasn't any personal development in the same way that was made to be applicable and really curated for the stage of life that you're in, you know, personal development books were like, Tony Robbins unleashed the power within, which is great, but it's like broad ranging and a little nebulous compared with, this is a specific message for you at your stage of life. And then, yeah, you kind of, I think it's less so that people are choosing to do something else. It's that there's lots to do. And they're not thinking about, where do I want to be in future? You're right to bring up, hey, if you know that you're going to get there, why not get there a little earlier or why not think about the end destination when you're starting off on the journey? I suddenly think that, you know, that is for the guys that can increase. I mean, fucking Kevin, social media guy, when did you get married? Twenty twenty three. Twenty two. Twenty two. Twenty two. Then his Sunday is church, Costco and coffee. I mean, like, I mean, you are the 22 going on 52. It's kind of crazy. But it's pretty, it's talked to me. So what married, but also still obsessed with the gym. What does a wife have to tolerate if you're married to a body builder? Oh, yeah. So the, the preps were definitely the trickiest part. Because honestly, for me now with like regular go to the gym, eat in a normal way, like my normal. So however different that is from like real normal, it's kind of seamless. Like that's all the stuff I just do on my own, like normal. Like it's not, I don't necessarily need to be catered to or anything. It's like, all right, I'm going to go to the gym right now. And then we'll come back. We'll do this later. And like it's not in your face or whatever, because I've been doing that the whole time. But like the actual show preps, uh, now it, it almost makes me, like this is an angle where it makes me like resent the bodybuilding shows. Not that that's the most I think about it, but just that percentage. Cause it's like, you just want to do nothing. You do, you do your workout. All you're thinking about is like this show on this day. And the ones that I did were in the winter coming into March. So it's the full winter period of time. And I'm just like, I'm not stewing, but a lot of time where we would normally be much more casual is kind of just me like, all right, getting our cardio in 20 minutes, just whatever. And it's, you know, we, so I'll look back at pictures during some of the preps. I'm like, man, I don't even remember this day because I was thinking about this, this show and this like competition and everything. So I'm putting so much stuff into it. And it's a, so that could be because it's just, you know, drawn back a little bit, which is kind of like it, not so much in the second prep, because you learn it from the first one. But when we're, when those were all done, he was like, okay, yeah, now we can get back to totally regular chill. And, uh, but in the schema things, you know, I think I handled it pretty well. Like even just with the regular bodybuilding and stuff, like, you know, I don't think I'm walking around, apart from like the size, just like advertising to everybody, like, all man, all bodybuilder only, which might sound funny for me to say, because I guess that kind of is the perception. Uh, but at least in my head, I don't feel like that. We've got two cats to be bodybuilder on. Yeah. Uh, so you, you rarely seem dependent on perfect conditions. How should people get better at that, especially going into winter, which removes a lot of the external motivation? Yeah, I think there's, um, well, you would know this, there's a little physiological angle. You got no vitamin D, because you're not getting out in the sun. However much that is really affecting people. But I think more so, you know, it's just, it's colder. I'm not going out and having it so much fun, you know, because in the winter time, the only stuff he would do activity-wise would just be usually in your house or like, you're going to a club or something. I like, who actually is going to clubs for real? Like who really goes to their, what a badman in club or something? I'm not saying that went, like, I'm saying that would be cool, but who's actually going out and doing it and making sure that they're still maintaining, like, this certain amount of, like, fun activity in the winter, it's, you just kind of end up getting a little more seclusive. But it's, um, for me, at least, uh, this is kind of how I think it's more important to have this wiring in your head of, like, okay, the harder I go, the more progress I'll make, because if I'm wired like that, well, then if I wake up and, you know, maybe I'm not feeling as good or as, like, motivated to get after it, you know, I mean, for a while, I was doing, I'd wake up instantly, send the bike for an hour, come back, go work out a couple of hours later, come back, go to the bike again for an hour, come back. Like, it's very much just the same stuff over and over again, yeah. And it's like, where's the, where's the fun? Or at least for a bodybuilding show, the fun part is at the end. So it's like, you're doing a lot of extra work. We basically know fun until that later portion. And it's, um, you know, you could either look at that and think, oh my god, this freaking sucks. Or you could, in my head, I like to imagine, like, maybe the fictional version of Sam where this version is like, oh man, it's extra hard today. All right, sweet. Good. Do it even harder than before. Have you ever heard Tyson being asked about why he gets up before I am to go for a run? Exactly. Everybody's still sleeping. Yeah. Can you find that, Mark? This is like the best winter arc justification ever. Look, I, I did five years of pretty aggressive monk mode, a thousand days sober, 500 days without caffeine. They, they weren't a crossover. That would have been fucking miserable. There were two separate things experiments. And this really elaborate morning routine where I was like doing stretching and going for a walk and rom wads and fucking meditation and breath work and journaling and all of this stuff, like this unnecessary cathedral of things, largely, but it was me trying to work out who the fuck I am, like locking in. And it wasn't for five years completely, but it was a good chunk of it. And that took me from 27, 28 to like 32, 33. And then I moved to America at 34. And the amount of progress that I made there, yeah, I sacrificed a lot of things. I wasn't going out as much. But then I'd spent a decade going out two nights a week and partying until three in the morning for, you know, a good bit of it, running nightclubs and doing all the social thing. I'm like, huh. And you're ahead from that time. Yes. So, yeah. And then I'm now like, okay, I need to lock in and do the me thing. So I think the, the winter arc for guys and for girls, well, I don't want to mansplain, can, can be a really good tool. If you have a period that you're facing that you know is going to be dark and difficult, just deciding, okay, this is going to be tough. And I have the choice to either lock the fucking or complain about it. I'll take the locking the fucking. Thank you. Yeah. I'm always thinking, okay, what would me three months want me to do right now? I think that might be right now. I love that question. Which I would have locked in. I feel like nobody thinks like that because every time you're kind of retrospecting and you're like, it ends up guys just love putting themselves down. And this is, and I'm not upset when I hear people talk like this because it's not necessarily your fault. If you're in this slump of like, everything sucks. Some of it might have been my fault. Some of it is just kind of, you know, life, you never know what might happen. Sometimes you just get dealt a totally shithand. But it's like to just crumble into yourself and be, you know, everything sucks. What's the point? You know, and then you just never get after it. And when I hear that, I'm like, well, you know, if what would you in a year have wanted you to do? Because I went on a big kind of rant about this where when you're really freaking out anxious about something, and maybe you're, some things really deserve real anxiousness. But some things you over freak out about. Let's say when you're really tweaking, you don't actually know because you're in it. You're not looking at it from like a third person perspective. But it's like, you know, even if I was going through something like that, or I'm in this like what might even feel like a pit of like, I got no hype. I'm not excited about whatever I'm doing. It's like, what's the point? I don't even see it. I'm like, well, if in three months you somehow get out of your funk, which normally sometimes will just happen, which is a time thing. Well, now you are three months into the future. Three months, you could say wasted towards whatever your certain goal may have been. The veil has been lifted. You're back to your normal kind of like thought process. Like holy crap, gain 50 pounds. Yep. Well, now you're really screwed.
So getting back to what I was saying before about being able to bring it, but have that be like just your normal state of being, well, even if you do go through a funk, like something really rough, you know, I can't even tell you this is like up to the listener to know what your funk is. If by the time you get out of it, you still kept up your normal routine of things. Maybe it wasn't at like 100%, but you were still going through your motions. You're going to feel way better about it. But even me saying that, I could see how there's no kind of energy to want to do that because I just said, go through the motions, and people would rather do nothing than going through the motions. Like the only one to do it when you're extra motivated to do it. People believe that motivation is an unnecessary precursor to doing the thing, to this optimal mental state where you feel like you want to do it or it's good to do it or it's easy to do it or something, but feeling motivated is an unnecessary middle step between where you are and doing the thing. You can just do it anyway. You can do it without the motivation. Tell me if this sounds familiar. You train regularly, you eat reasonably well, you feel fine, but you're just kind of going off vibes. Most people have absolutely no idea what's going on inside their body, and that is why I partner it with function. One gives you access to more than 160 advanced lab tests spanning hormones, heart health, kidney function, and even detects early signals linked to more than 50 types of cancer. To put that in perspective, your typical annual physical might test 20 markers, function runs over 160. It's huge. Best of all, you test twice a year and everything lives inside of a simple dashboard. 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If your emotional life requires 95% of your available capacity, merely to remain operational, anything unexpected becomes catastrophic. And that's the same as we're talking about here, that if your baseline capacity is way more than you need to operate, that's redundancy in the system. When things are good, I've pushed myself really hard. So that when things are bad, I have so much momentum and so many good habits. And look, I'm speaking from personal experience because I've been kicked in the nuts a lot over the last couple of years, from a routine perspective, like an energy perspective. And you can see why there's this idea called the Matthew Principle, it's from the Bible, and it says, "To those who have nothing more will be taken, to those who have everything more will be given." And it kind of explains why the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Good habits compound, but so do bad habits. Some stuff spirals up, some stuff spirals down. That's why people end up being bankrupt, and addicted to drugs, and out on the street, and with no relationship to their family. And other people end up being smart, and in shape, and with a great partner. And having both of these things can occur in that way, and sure the external environment is going to throw insults at you a lot. The core driving force, the core momentum is largely your sense of hope and agency over what you're going to be able to do. And yeah, the ability to go like to wake up one morning and just say, "Okay, that's enough of that. I'm going to go in a different direction," is kind of a superpower, and I wish I could and no, bestow it on to someone that feels like that's not something that's accessible to them. Right. I never say the downward spiral of the gym as much, in the core I'm going to say, I probably say this 20 times right now, I'm talking about this upward spiral, where okay, work out really hard. When you first start working out, you don't even notice to what, maybe two months in. But if you, let's say you're high school dude, you start working out one year, you visit your grandma again the next year, she will notice, and like that's super validating to see that from the outside. There is no compliment. From the outside. More validating than the grandma compliment, you're right. Yeah. But just anything like that. So once you're in a groove of like you're making steady progress, well, how I look at, again, back in like the mental wiring thing, is like, "Okay, I go really hard. I come home, I eat more food because I'm maybe hungrier from going hard because I actually trained hard. I'm going to sleep better because I trained hard and I'm now tired. I'm probably thirstier, so I'm going to drink more water. And then I'm going to wake up, and because I was hungry and thirsty and sleepy, I drank eight and slept well. I'll be able to train hard again the next day. And then over time that just keeps moving forward. And once you start actually seeing yourself a little bigger, like at least in like a size gaining phase, well now you have this extra anal motivation, like holy shit what I'm doing is working." Even the pump, like chasing the pump, you're slightly bigger. In the gym. And you're like, "Dude, if I keep going in four months, I look like I do pumped flat." And then, but then when I get there, what I look like pumped will be in another four months, and I look like flat, and then you just permanently chasing. It would be like if learning a language, like if learning Italian meant that during your Italian lesson, you were somehow four months better at Italian. But that's not the way that it works. It's one of the reasons I think that the gym is particularly addicting, and that's a good thing because it's something that's good to get stuck into. One of the reasons that the gym's so addicting is that you get a preview of where you will be if you keep going during the process, as opposed to learning fucking Italian. Which is just being frustrated in the moment, and then finally getting there in a few months time. Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot more positive feedback with the gym, but yeah, the downward spiral is just as bad. Well, I skipped three days this week. Well, you know what? Screw it. Rest week. Do I want to cook a bunch of ground beef right now and do a little meal prep and make some rice or something? Or do I just want to get some in and out? All right. I should probably go to bed. I got to wake up tomorrow morning at 6. You know what? Get that class sort of stay up on discord playing games. Now, you're sleeping terrible. You're bloated because you've been eating trash. You're not working out. So now your basementabolism is going down because you're not stressing out your system. You're just starting to pack on additional body fat, which all four of those, or all three or four of those things, you know are negative. But each one probably feeds into that next negative step. Here's a second. I'm already in this bed. Okay. You know what? Give me some chips or something. I was like, all you'd have to do is change it to what you said, like, okay, I just get to change it. I'm just going to wake up today and totally flip all my habits, but that's not something I can tell you how to do. Yeah. That's where all my motivational speeches end. I go, I can't tell you any more than that. I can tell you what I do and how I feel about what I do and how far I've come or how far I've gone, but I can actually tell you how to do it because you're you and I'm me. There's an interesting insight here, so we're what toward the end of September, three months before the end of the year. So three months until January 1st, which is when most people want to hit the ground running. They don't want to try and reverse direction on January 1st because that means that it's going to be very hard to do. I went out to Thailand 10 years ago and I wanted to go to a bunch of different Thai boxing gyms and I wanted to learn to fight. So I spent nine months before I went to Thailand doing Thai boxing classes because what I thought was, hey, if I've learned a lot of the basics, when I get out there, I'll get to learn really cool stuff, like more advanced techniques or at the very least, I'm not just going to spend my trip around Thailand learning to throw a jab properly. So I spent a good bit of time drilling the basics and then when I got out there, sure enough, I was able to actually really tap into some of the expertise. So I sort of used the momentum in advance to carry me into this period that would be an extra boost when I got there. So given that we're three months away from the end of the year now, if someone wants to enter January with as much momentum as possible, what do you think they should start doing? No. Well, I think they should just start a, well, I guess you'd say, at least what you did was you did your homework first. So if you're thinking, I mean, every January that shows up and now I've been through, I think this will be the ninth one, obviously for the first one, that was a year into the gym for me. But at this point, depending on how much of a regular you are at a gym, you know who the real regulars are and who the guys who just showed up today are, and I'm not dogging them for showing up, but it's like an, you know, the, you know, that little marble toy where you flip it upside down and it always ends up in the same distribution, like no matter what, like, look, I'm glad you're here, but I know a bunch of you guys are just going to flake out and be done. So yeah, I mean, if you could just start easing into it, which is not a cool thing to say. Well, it's cool about the gym is, you know, bringing it just totally nuts, but in reality, it's like, well, you should probably just ease into it. When I'm talking to guys are just, you know, getting into like what you should do and you start working out, like what's your level at right now? Are you at zero gym days per week? Well, guess what? One is more than zero. And one, after you've actually done it, it's not that bad. So now two is probably a little bit easier, three or even just getting a membership in general. I think a lot of these guys, they might even fail to launch in that sense, because it's like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to go in at six and get my membership. Well, you're setting yourself up.
stuff up for failure, man, why didn't you get it before? Why didn't you do all the, just do a little bit before? But yeah, just easing into it. 'Cause that whole, you know, if right now my bar is like, well, I wanna get to the point where I can just go 100% all the time without fail. And like, you know, I know I didn't just give up on that rep because it was hard. Well, that's just my bar where I'm at. But way down is the bar of, I got my membership today. And I went to the gym three days a week today. I did 10 minutes of cardio today. Like it, to start from zero is half the hardest part, but also half the easiest part. Because the smallest incremental changes are percentage wise huge. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Relatively massive, absolutely small. - Yeah, but they might feel small. So it's like, if you have this perception of, I don't wanna be the three gym, I don't wanna be the three day a week gym guy. Oh, fuck, man, here's a zero gym a day week guy. Like, you gotta get to three. You know, you're not better than three. Everybody came in to get their one membership for the first time and they didn't know what they're doing and they were kind of anxious. I mean, I remember I'm on vacation. I went to the YMCA in Florida. And I'm like two years in at this point. I'm shoulder pressing the 50s. I'm maybe 170, and I'm thinking. These guys looking at me, like just very self-conscious a little bit, well, relative to now. Not, I don't think like that. But it's, yeah, it's like you can't, you can't be above the small steps. Because I think so many people are in their head, they think, all right, well, you know, if I, I mean, I'm sure you hear this. Well, you know, if I died it, I could get shredded. Guys, you're gonna show up to the Olympia. Now, you know, if I really bodybuilder, I could get that big, bro. Like, okay, well, you're not even doing any of it right now. You're doing totally zero. So it's like, could you really actually? And it's this idea that it's like, if I can't be perfect, it's not even worth trying. But that's combined with the pretentiousness of, I totally could do it. I could do it for sure. If it wasn't the skill gap and the consistency and the ability and the hard work and the time and the duration. Because it's easy to tell yourself, I just don't want to do it. Because it's just a preference thing for me. I don't really want to. It's not very fun to say, yeah, I'm just, I don't want to go that hard. I don't want to actually work out. I don't want it that hard. I'm nervous about it. I don't want you, don't fucking kid yourself, dude. I could do it if is I don't do it. Yeah, every, every I could do it if is more of a, I don't want to do it because. But you're lying to yourself by saying, well, it's because of ten other things. What would you say to the guy who is currently going through that downward spiral? They don't think that they've got the capacity to do what they want to or what they used to. They've talked themselves into a rut. I think they would just have to, I mean, I think the best example to get good at anything or not even just get good, but get like inspired to do anything is just to watch people who have done it. Like when I'm training legs and thinking squats, it's like if I see a Tom Platz work out added on my phone, like holy crap. And like it's so basic. Well, I'm watching this guy do this thing that I'm about to do. Oh, that's making me excited about it. Like just monkey see monkey do. But like if you're, you know, I pretty much say this to everybody. It's like, what's your beginning state right now? Where are you at? If you can find someone who has been there documented it and showed it off from where they were, it's in now where they are, like the guy who was 500 to 200. Well, I mean, I can tell you the basics of like, you know, to your cardio and like diet and everything, but I haven't lived that exact like scenario. Like I can tell you tips that I think would apply. But if you want to hear from someone who's really done it, then you've got to find someone who has and hopefully they've been posting stuff about it. Can we find a Tom Platz like training motivation? Like try and find a short, there'll be some unreal edits of this. It's crazy. But just seeing something, seeing someone do what you want to do, I think it's probably the most motivating thing you can because now not only are you seeing somebody do it, but you're just getting it proven in your own head, like this is totally doable. But I remember this is also another guy. I'm a guy. He's just some do's. I remember watching Greg Plitt as an early 20s guy. And he used to do videos outside of the gym in the parking lot, middle of the night, like three in the morning. And that guy was just so fucking positive. And so I often think this is kind of a weird fork to imagine in reality. But if Greg Plitt and Ziz hadn't passed away, I think that we would have a markedly different gym culture today. I think that they were so formative and at the time, I think about where Ziz would have been. He was in 2012. He was probably 23 or 24, something like similar, similar age to me. So he would have been absolutely rep, when Instagram comes along, would have been like peak, peak shape. He wouldn't have stopped that whole culture, which was, would it have survived me to maybe, it would have had to have been sanitized a little bit, but it wasn't like he was super toxic. He was more like his whole line of disregard women acquired dance moves was like kind of proto-lux maxing in cell but without any of the toxic elements of it. But I think him and Greg Plitt and fucking Rich Piana, dude, like we lost some of the grates. The last decades and a half. - Yeah, that's a big three. They are the big three. That's the Mount Rushmore. That's three of the Mount Rushmore. I don't know who the fourth one would be if the influencer world for probably see them, I guess. But yeah, fuck if we've got one or three. And we got a freakish video. This is really just impartial, doesn't it? It's screaming more. If you didn't know what was happening to the lower half of his body, you could be quite surprised if you didn't know gym culture. - Yeah, the normal person would look at that. If they walked, let's say that was a gym with a garage door next to a sidewalk of a town and a normal person walked past, instant reaction. What are they doing? These guys are totally nuts. But once you're in it, I'm like, nice. That's a good set. That's probably a really good set. - It's kind of sick. The supplement industry is full of products making claims that they come back, which is why I'm such a massive fan of momentous. 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[email protected]/modernwisdom and modernwisdom, check out. Wasn't there a thing that Tom Plats was each chewing tennis balls or something, didn't he say? He was like working his mandible job with maybe using a plastic gum or some early version of a plastic gum or something? I didn't hear it, but maybe. I swear that he was saying, I mean, there was an era, this is something for me to man splain to you or generation splain to you for a second. There was a beautiful era in the world of bodybuilding where we didn't know the truth about lots of things. And it meant that you wasted shitsons of time and effort and money on stuff that was completely pointless, but fuck, it was exciting. Like, is this new blueberry extract? Perhaps the reason why maybe it is better than steroids? And then you have to go on this weird Russian website and order blueberry extract. And like, you're on the misk forums of bodybuilding.com, like desperately trolling, trying to find the guy that's got the secret to big doubts. And like, now, bodybuilding is largely a solved problem. And at the time, it felt much closer to like the frontier. We knew enough to know that some stuff worked, but there was still enough unknowns to be able to be super experimental. Like, fucking rich pianist A-tower arms workout was something that people were like, that might be the answer. That might actually be the answer. - I guess I'm actually, if you ask me like a year into the YouTube videos where they're actually taken off, I probably would have said that I've definitely have done the at-arm date by now. I haven't done it yet, I guess I probably should sometimes. - That would be a huge request. - I wouldn't be opposed to it just for the fun of it. But yeah, it's definitely different now. I think one of the bigger changes, bodybuilding-wise, is just the performance angle of it. Because when I think bodybuilding character, or like someone who, maybe not even that, but someone who actually gets me excited about it, just the gym in general, 'cause that's kind of the precursor to even getting on to the stage. Is the training part? Like that's the part I really get excited about. But it's like watching a Tom Plats or back in Pump and Iron, like everybody had a lot of personality. Or I mean, even Dorean Yates, which compared to like an Arnold, a person with a personality from a completely different side of the universe. But they still were able to portray what they did and how they did it in just like such a cool way. And I think it was maybe a combination of just the fact that you would, now I would kind of call that social media, but that was like CDs and just documentation. And like since it was so new,
They maybe didn't have this like mental construct of okay, I should put on an act in a certain kind of way because I would I would agree even The last era of bodybuilding bodybuilding that I think people really obsessed over the competition itself and the characters that were inside of it was Jay Ronnie like that run branch Warren Like that era and then I don't know something just How obviously like see bum is a phenom but it was about him It wasn't really about the competition and there's other guys that have got great physics but I don't think anybody cares about the The personality and quite the same way and I don't know I know that how do you two pants like a absolute turbo-free like massive jack guy? I don't know anything about him and maybe that's me just growing out of it and aging out of it But I get the sense that it's not just that. I feel like the the world of that has sort of fallen away Am I right there? Yeah, I think so and I think about this all the time Or maybe not not just when I'm like sitting but when I talked to anybody about bodybuilding It's like yeah, the 90s early 2000s like it was it was to the same prestige as like the WWE like these guys were It was like the WWE characters. They were coming out. There was like more And it was also the what's kind of weird is it was like the most competitive era like even now People doing interview with Ronnie Coleman and he's like Ronnie What do you think of all these current guys and he's like? they don't got it and There he's just telling that he's just saying a fact at that point like they just had they had something but there was also this character and this charisma to it and it wasn't even so much that they were the most competitive like Ronnie and J were I mean, I can't even imagine how they like really felt about each other and like the most competitive Period at that time, but like I've never heard Tom plots say, you know, I need to win. I need to win the show And yeah, all the stuff that I hear him talk about was like even when you go up on stage two or just talking about training He's like just the enjoyment of doing it being around other people doing it with him And he's like, you know, you just come out and there's this like I'm trying to just Say what he said that I go wants to obey anybody's like there's just this energy from the crowd and they're all just cheering for you Like you just wanted to do it. He didn't care if he came in last place whereas now I mean, there's like there's different videos of guys like more current bodybuilders where it's like a full-on interview like Day in the life of the show like documenting and the guys like, you know, if I don't if I don't place in the In if I don't place in the top five. I'm I should quit bodybuilding So it's much more performance focused much more outcome focused. Yeah, I would I would actually I want to amend my previous era Finishing point. I do think Phil Heath and Kai Green. Yeah, I was gonna say they are so still and that was what elite 2010's ish Yeah, probably and then it was after that. But yeah, you're the WWE analogies perfect It's like branch Warren was the sort of skinhead new metal heavy metal like hard long shorts boot sky Everybody was like just so interesting. Kai Green was the artist philosopher with the hair and the dance moves and stuff Phil Heath was like the all-american college ball athlete that you had Different that roles that everybody took that Jay Cutler was sort of like classic Florida man on like a lot of a lot of drugs Yeah, you know, he's great and and I don't know I Is strange that a sport can be carried so much by individual Characters, and I suppose it's because it's such a small pool like how many NFL players are there like including all of the squads Fucking thousands thousands and thousands and people can support the team and the team plays as part of a group Yeah, like even tennis. Yeah, sure you can have generational talents and stuff But like tennis is a sport outside of the people that just play it too. It's like a thing I don't think that bodybuilding is I think that bodybuilding in particular is Reliant on not just the bodies maybe even more the personalities of the people that are involved in it I think so and it's I'm kind of coming up with a thought as I'm saying it, but I think the it's like what is the nature of bodybuilding anyway, right? We say bodybuilding competition but it's a bodybuilding show And what I think is different now is everyone can post their own videos and their their their their Preps and their training and their everything is just how it is whereas before all these got I mean you did a couple DVDs every year, but pretty much the show was the show and they came there to show off and that was just Just something about it had some theatrics whereas now I think With the social media side of things somehow that's changed like The hype that just gets built up behind it. Let's strange right because it's more transparency But seems to be less relatability but I feel I have there is not a person on the planet I have less in common with than Ky green right if you were to pick two humans on opposite ends of every spectrum It would be me and Ky green however I feel like I knew him to a degree. I feel like I know him I don't feel like I know the only person I think that's brought the two people I think that are broken through you and Seba and That's one of the reasons that maybe even in a world where there's more opportunity and more people attempting to try the Relateability thing there is a Spass a supply and even greater demand You got to spend a good bit of time with Seba. What did you learn from hanging out with him? Yeah, now it's um, oh I say this I don't know if I've told this story before so I'm at Right the Olympia. This was maybe two Olympias ago. This is I think the first one they didn't Vegas This would be two ago Maybe maybe one I don't remember, but this was one of the Olympias where they do this little press conference with a lot of the classic guys first So Chris is up there or is everything and I remember just walking backstage and You know, I'm just like Chan with everybody and I see Chris from like a distance and this is pre Comp like I think he was competing the next day. Maybe the day after that, but just like he was standing with so much aura It was nuts like I think it was it wasn't necessarily how he was standing But you could kind of sense how everyone standing around him and like in the outskirts of where he was like was acting and Like he was just super Intense focused like I've seen the only time I've seen something with that much like just It's you know what's called stopping power of like people around was I get to do a little back work out with Arnold at gold gym Which was nuts because he just rolled up on an e-bike and it was just him coming to him Seeing that video going to hit a workout and and but when he walked in Just looking across the gym was like Like somebody's holding like somebody's holding like launch codes or something the reality distortion field. Yeah around this one person like in a positive way of just like That's right there like it was just crazy, but yeah, I mean to get in the talk to him like normal I'm not a I haven't been spamming all the Seabum videos, but just from all the different back and forths. It's crazy I'll just kind of casually is but I'm not always Like prying like for for tips and everything and maybe half of that is just because I'm like I kind of want to figure it out on my own Like that's part of the fun part of it, but now every time usually with all the gym-fork stuff like anytime We're at a different shoot or different events or things I'll try to go a bit with him, right? Yeah a little bit. Yeah with David. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of cool Be very shout it out for being on his phone A little bit for now. He's a yeah, it's crazy to see somebody who's done so much like that Yeah, he's a unique guy. I think Chris is a very Unusual candidate for someone that goes on to be as well known as he is Like he's not got the construction or desire For much of the notoriety that he's ended up being afflicted with I almost does feel a little bit sometimes like maybe Not quite an affliction, but so maybe somewhat closer to a burden like fuck like the guy that kind of is Introverted smart thoughtful deep dude Now trying to navigate this insane level of attention like the most attention of anybody in what Was and still is to some degree one of the most cult following sports ever and Yeah, he's just like complete dad mode now, which is cool I mean, he's I think I think I absolutely think the world of him. He's been massively influential on me, but Yeah, like a really odd I think about this to do with Rogan a little bit as well We're very fortunate that the first person we got in the world of podcasting was like a benevolent leader largely for all of the criticisms that people that don't like him can have about him Joe is a fucking Even the people that don't like him Have to concede like he has been amazing for the world of podcasting like he's so pro-social He's so positive some all he wants to do is lift up other people. He very very rarely starts beef Like he's not backbiting. He's not Fucking people over for money. It's not there's never headlines about Joe Rogan does this with his cash or invest in this thing or whatever Like it's just all he wants to do is train commentate do comedy and do his part and that's it You know like fuck like we could have had the most descendant medium of
for the last 20 years, beheaded up by someone that was a total asshole, right? Like a complete, like, tyrant. And we got someone that was like a really wonderful figurehead that's just trying to make the industry bigger and help everybody along that he can. And the same thing's kind of true for Chris. You know, you reignite classic, or ignite classic, basically, with this one guy. And he's openly talking about crying in his girlfriend's arms weeks before he goes on stage and singing the song of how beautiful it is to have a baby and to get married and to live a simple life. And then he moves away to Nashville to, like, have an even simpler life of the whole ranch thing. I don't know. I think people can have problems with whoever they want, but you need to accept, hey, if we rolled the dice, there aren't many universities where we would have got a better person that was the figurehead for this particular industry. And I think we've done it pretty well in two different domains, though. - Yeah, I think there's something an X factor with guys like Chris. And it feels kind of weird for me to say that about me, 'cause it's like, now I'm talking about myself. - I agree. I think he's done it as well. - Just with social media in general, like getting back to, like, why it's different now compared to it before. Like, you know, how you just said, there's so many more people getting into it. 'Cause now it's the thing. Now social media is the, you know, the gold mines in California, which this is what I gotta do to be successful at whatever I'm doing. And I always think that the guys who end up doing the best are the ones where what they're doing is just what they would be doing anyway. So there's, I guess you'd call it different kinds of social media. 'Cause there's ones where guys might be like, putting on a show like this. Like, this isn't necessarily something that would just happen casually. Like, this is a little bit more put up. But when it comes to anything that's like activity based or like just personality based, like following, like for me, it's like seamless because I would already work out anyway. Honestly, my days don't feel like the addition of the recording takes away at all from the gym. Like, it's almost second nature. I just pick up the camera, move a little bit. - It's just maybe a bit more talking out loud. - Yeah, a lot more talking out loud. That's for sure. Like in the car. But it's just something I would do anyway. So with that being the setup for it, I just talk about what I would already talk about, you know, I don't have, I'm not hitting like script lists. - It's a flounders activity. - Yeah, 'cause it's, but that's kind of what I think people try to chase when they say like, okay, well, you know, you gotta be relatable. - Well, I'm always scrolling my phone way too much. But I'll see like a TikTok live with like four different people on it. And they're talking about what they wanna do. And they, they boil down the social media to like the specific angles that you can change to try to somehow make it successful. They're like, oh man, you gotta start being way more relatable, bro. Or like, no, you just gotta find your niche. You just gotta find your specific niche and just, and it's like, well, ooh, yeah, you're boiling down what I would consider maybe a YouTuber who I really like. Or like a, like the outdoor boys guy. He just was doing that. And then he said, you know, let's start making videos about this. I don't know the exact origin when he started. But this is the thing that he already does is good at. And then he was able to talk about it and like make a video out of it. But since he would already do it anyway, it's not extra for him. Like the way that it comes off is so natural. And I think now there's however many thousand times more people posting things and trying to get into different subjects of like, even tech videos or the GM or anything. But they're trying to force this relatability. They're trying to do something for the sake of this, like end point of like, oh, I wanna get this many followers or something or whatever. And it's, I can't even relate to it almost. Because for me, there was never this like analytical plan of, oh, I should start talking more something or anything. It was like, this is what I do. I'll just keep doing it. And then the X factor for me was like, I really like it. And it just tried to take it off really well. - The, it is a far fewer people than think it a good enough factor is to be able to pretend to be something that they're not. Like most people can see through the bullshit in that regard. And yeah, speedrunning authenticity is not an option. Like you can't like growth hack relatability. Can I just be yourself or not? 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How can we chose to coach yourself for your prep? - By then, the social media was really big and I've seen guys where they're like my demographic of like an influencer bodybuilder type dude. And they always just get drama when they get a coach. - Really? - Well, it's not always, of course, but it's, but I mean, it was like in the first year of the bodybuilding channel or like my workout videos, it was like zero to like 1.8 million on YouTube or like just nuts. So that was two years before the first bodybuilding show. So by then the infamy of like Sam, like Sam was like a character in the space. And it's, for one, I just think I could handle doing it on my own because it's like that's how I do all the other stuff about the gym. Like one of the best parts about it is just the fact that it's my thing. Like this my version of like the sanctuary where the point almost isn't to try to push the envelope to the absolute maximum with like 10 different coaches and with the bodybuilding, you know, there's not like 10 different pharmaceutical like character, you know, like guys like a like a hotty chupin, like are these the Olympia bodybuilders. Like everything that they do is this regimented. Like it's just, that's just not even the point for me. But the fact that I do it for me makes it more fun. Because if you gave me a piece of paper that had the workout for the day and my meals for the day, for me I would feel like this guy just gave me a bunch of homework to do. Even if it was, but if you have to design the homework for yourself, if I make that work for me is better. It doesn't feel like work. Like if I had a listed workout, I think I wouldn't, it just wouldn't feel the same kind of, and that's just maybe a me thing. - Is there a level that you think you would get to where you would consider a coach more seriously? - Yeah, I think if somehow it turned where I'm like, okay, you know what? Now we're switching gears. We're gonna aim for an Olympia debut. So I mean, I'd have to get big enough to win a pro show or you can kind of cheat it. You could do a bunch, you could schedule a bunch of pro shows that are like in, you know, South Mexico or Ireland or just do all this. - Do you think that the South Mexicans and the Irish are not that jacked? - Well more so, you could do a bodybuilding show that is somewhere that not a lot of people will be. - Yes, yes, yes. - So the difficulty of the show is only how difficult are the competitors there. So typically everyone goes to like the New York pro or the Pittsburgh pro, like these, but some guys will go to like the tiniest corner of the world show. And maybe they're not at the biggest level they could be at, but since they won it, they would qualify. So you can kind of game it. But yeah, if that were the point, then that would kind of demand like a team. But for my first shows, it's like half, I just wanna do it on my own because that's fun for me. And for me, that's like this mental flex of like, ooh, if I do it for real, that means I didn't. It was my, and this whole thing has kind of been my thing like for the beginning. But also, here's what would happen if I had going, getting a coach for the second pro show, or the second show that was like the pro debut at the Arnold earlier this year. Like if I look decent, which I did, well, he got a coach this year. He got a coach this year, I guess the coach reeled him in. - This is the dumbest dude ever, but the coach figured it out for him. - Right.
or if I do bad, the coach is going to say, and maybe they wouldn't, but I wouldn't be surprised. Oh, well, this guy just wouldn't listen to my program. And I'm like, save me the trouble. It feels like you want to save me the trouble. The consequence is good and bad. Yeah. If I showed up and I look like total trash, I guess I'd have to just be like, all right, guys, what I'm doing, sorry. Whoops. I guess I see. And for me, like the, I don't know, some method that approach to it, I just liked. But beyond that, I, yeah, I mean, I've been working out on my own for the beginning. And there's a difference though, right? Then getting yourself in shape to getting yourself stage ready. And there are a lot just by design as fewer and fewer people that know the absolute elite level procedures for, okay, what are you doing with your salt? What are you doing with your carbs? What are you doing with your water and timing and body fat coming in? And how can we hack your mental state so that you feel in a good way? All of these different things, which I'm sure that Chris has got dialed down to a tee. But yeah, as you get more and more attuned to a higher and higher level, I imagine that maybe at some point, you're going to have to pick up the phone. Yeah. And maybe this is just kind of how I think about things. But when it comes to like looking, let's say looking big, just walking around in my head, I'm not thinking I want to wear the tightest shirt I can. I'd rather have a bigger shirt and fill it in. So I'm not necessarily trying to optimize the tiniest, like, if I, when I first did an expo, I remember taking a picture of somebody and I like, make myself like extra big. I'm like, whatever. If I'm big, I should, well, that's because you're big. Yeah. You don't need to make yourself like extra big when you're like an outhouse. But it's like, if I'm, if I'm trying to be big, well, for one, I should just be big. But also, why would I want to tell you? Like, that would be inseparable. Do you see a big game? Well, if you did see that, why would I even say that? This is like a trolley problem for the skinny dude. Like, if you knew how big I was, I wouldn't be so big. And now that you do, what about what was the hardest decision that you had to make during your prep as your own coach? I don't know if there was a specific hardest decision. It was, I guess you just kind of say doing it anyway, because you had a plan, this sort of thing out. And with the, with the NPC shows, which you'd call the little league, and then the IFBB pro shows are like the big league. NPC highly unfortunate acronym now. Really? Yeah, well, not like. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't want to, I wouldn't want to enter my little league and bodybuilding show though. Yeah, exactly. I'd prefer NPC. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right about that. But they're, they're not always scheduled until like semi-short notice. So I, I was asking around. I'm like, okay, which show can I do that's right before the Arnold? Because that would be the point. You do the qualifier show and then the. You rolled the condition into the next one. Yeah, exactly. You only have to do one prep for both. So once I got that figured out the year prior, like, okay, and like, we're going to do the show in February and Vegas. That basically broke down, like, okay, so now I'm here in October, and now this is middle of February, so by here to there, I got to get into my version of show ready. But other than that, it's kind of just the doing it. Like, there's no one day where I was like, okay, now I really got to bring it, except for when I worked out with Jay Cutler. Well, I mean, Jay's super cool. Very, if you ever talk to Jay, just very casual, like lighthearted. And I think that's because he, with his career, he ended it very well. So he got nothing to be like bitter. It doesn't feel unrequited or unfulfilled. Yeah, and he's doing so good. He doesn't need anything from anybody. So guys like that are the most chill. What is he doing now? Just all sorts of stuff. I mean, into. Business shit. Yeah. Like, different kind of realists. Like, that was something that people have been hyping up Jay forever. Like, there's different stories about how after every Olympia win, he put all this stuff into something. And then he spent three months like touring. Like, he was hyping on Instagram as soon as they came out, like, to the other guys. Like, you guys got to get an Instagram and YouTube. Like, he's a head of the game. It's like the Gary Vee of Bodybuilding. Interesting. But I remember, this is like a two or three months before the show. We're doing a little workout, go in the posing room. He's like, all right, your conditions decent. That was like the, that's like the clipped line. Because it's like, yeah, look reasonable at that point. But when he said that, he, he didn't mean like in that bad of a way. But he, what he really said was like, you better get serious. So I did a little, I started doing a little extra cardio after that. Isn't it interesting that a compliment could be one of the biggest motivating things? Because you're like, that should have been a better compliment. He's been sum up a light. Do you think there's anyone who's Bodybuilding advice you would accept without questioning it at all? I mean, so it's not like I don't, I guess it's more so, I just don't want to be, what do you say? I guess, I guess the other way I think it was like commanded. Because if you have your coach, now, you're essentially given this coach like this control, right? That's kind of the nature of it. But I wanted to, I'm taking advice from everybody. So it's like, I want to be constantly open to what this guy's saying or what this guy's talking about. Okay, this makes logical sense in my head, like things like that. Because also this was just a regular person and he just learned all his knowledge. It is not as though he is just magically knowledgeable. The knowledge is out there. So in my head, that's almost his own challenge of gathering it for yourself. He found out. So I could find it. Yeah, or he found it and he just told it to me. Now I got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I stole it from him. So thank you for that. But that's why people use, you go to experts, right? When you think about, think about this from a book perspective, somebody goes and writes a book and they have spent decades, decades and decades of their life looking at this one particular area of this one particular part of the world. And you now get to look at this entire life synthesized down into a single, single 60,000 words, like a bit of paper. This you go, okay, how long did it take this person to get to this stage? And I just get to read it and like draw out, like sucking water out of a sponge, I get all of the concentrated information. And that's why you go to experts. That's why you go to the Chris Bumsteads or the Philheats or the J Cutlers. Yeah, exactly. You've got all of this stuff in there. So it's not as though I'm saying, do not get a coach. It's more like, for whatever reason, I just don't want one right now. And I reserve the right to change that. I plead the fear in the future. You talked about co-learning a peptide company. What's that being like? Yes. Well, it's certainly not bad on my end in terms of like actually how they're moving forward. We've got a kind of a bigger not even call it release, but they're just changing the the nature of it's more of like an actual telehealth like doctor prescribed thing October 1st. But yeah, peptides are very, I mean, it's not like they're new, but it's of quite the topic now because they're the thing. Remember when Ashwagandha was the thing and Turkestorone was the thing. I live to Turkestorone era. Yeah. So it's just the thing. But it's like every time I just got BPC and TB500 just at all times. What's your experience with peptides? What have you found to be useful? Definitely those two for sure. And then as of late, you hear GHK. That's the copper thing people use for skin and hair. Yeah, I'm gonna do some of that. I feel like that's been kind of clearing me up a little more. So it's like a more of an inflammation reduction kind of thing. And then that extra collagen up regulation. So I haven't noticed like, I'm not sprouting hair everywhere, but I can definitely tell my skin's looking a little better from that one. Like every time I would actually tweak something or like when guys, so so far I haven't, I don't talk about as much in the videos because for one, once everything's like fully regulated, there's a huge percentage of people that are just waiting for that. They're not thinking they're not thinking for themselves per se. It's there's a green light. Now it's now I'm fine with it, which is just kind of unfortunate. And then the 10% who are knowledgeable and have done them, no, this is just a thing. My shoulders out of whack and I heard my rotator cuff and my golf swing has been the same. I started doing BPC for two weeks and now I'm back. And like that's kind of the extent of it. But it just gets overhyped, you know, because now I mean, you get all the tiktok kids and like literally kids, these guys are like teenagers and they're on like a tiktok live, hyping up, like, oh, you get 10 miles of so and so that they're just ordering. Tessa Marala. Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of, I'm trying to think of something else that is a good comparable situation, but it is just this thing that has legitimate use case, but it is so overhyped and just like dramaticized because of just everything involved with it. Plus now pharmaceutical companies are more involved once Eli Lilly, like patents, Reddit, true tide. Like it's funny, every tiktok ad, by anything, two vials are Reddit, true tide included. Because all these companies are about to get cease and decysted. So that's interesting. They're just trying to get this. So for them, they're like, this is going to be worthless to us because we're not going to actually sell it in a legitimate way. That's interesting. So a lot of stuff like that. But it's sprinting for the finish in a time to try and get rid of all of the stock. Yeah, exactly. But it's, um, yeah, but it's so crazy that it's just like a lack of knowledge because would most people say that ozemic is a peptide? They wouldn't know that it is. They wouldn't know. They just say ozemic is ozemic. And it's, uh, and then that's funky too. Because I don't know how you feel about, um, actually, I would imagine I know how you feel about Reddit, true tide. But it is just a thing that beyond, uh, or, of course, I'll
change my opinion. If a certain study comes out revealing this crazy side effect, which there's no leads of yet. But of course, if there were, then I'd say, "Whoa, don't do this." But it's like, you mad at somebody for taking caffeine when they're tired. It's a little bit of an extra step to stretch that to like a right-of-true tide. But it is just taking an intervention of what you'd call a normal human process without that much of a, in terms of like a negative effect. So it's like, some guys still hate on caffeine. They're like, "You shouldn't be taking caffeine for pre-work, man." David Goggins says that you shouldn't ever train with music on. So, you know, there are levels of puritanism that you can get to, from redditry tide at one end, to David Goggins' dark thoughts as a soundtrack on the other. But yeah, I know exactly what you mean. A lot of it, I think, is because of the delivery mechanism. Like, if anorectics and GLPs were first released as a shot, that you took as a shot, or it was just a tablet or something, or maybe it was a patch or something else. There's something very intimate and medical and for some people icky about the needle thing. Yeah, exactly. If you can do the needle thing, or that takes it to another level of medical supervision that's needed as opposed to, well, if I just popped this pill or if I drink this shot, or if it's a shake or something, if it was a special shake that you had that was like a meal reduction shake, not a real replacement shake. But when you drank it, you didn't want to eat for the rest of the day. One meal a day shakes. Not only do you need to have this, but it'll make you feel full for the rest of the day. I'm sure that you could do that. It wouldn't surprise me if we ended up having that at some point. And you go, okay, if that was the original delivery mechanism, I think people would feel somewhat different about it, but because it's not. I mean, because you can do the opposite, there's ways that you can encourage Grelin release, like you can make yourself more hungry, and is that to people look at that as being a weird kind of happening? Well, that would be like that would be people talking about MK677, which I guess I don't know, we need Hubertman right here to really tell us this. Total crazy specifics. Have you ever tried, this isn't really that cool anymore, but it was 15 years ago. GHRP2 and GHRP6. So it's growth hormone releasing hexapeptide. And you used to take that with ModGRF. So it was an endogenous way to get your body to create more growth hormone. One of the side effects of it was fucking insane Grelin release. So bro, what made my house went, this was 2010, 2011, I was using it. So I knew bacteriostatic water, research, use only peptides. This was fucking 2010. Yeah, like 15 years ago. Drawing it up. And we used to do it the way that I was able to do it post training. The only way I could do it is if I was already cooking when I shot it, because by the time that the meal was finished, I was like, like fucking starving. And it was, I've never had hunger like that before, but it was two good things. If you're looking to put a little bit more in or a lot more in from a calorie perspective, it's really encouraging. You'll get that. Yeah, there's definitely, I mean, it's just a huge subject anyway, because like, where's the line, right? Because between, because like if you look at something like when guys talk about, I guess not even like, like HCG. So now you're promoting natural production of your testosterone. Same thing will be true with Clomet. Right. But it's, well, you're still raising it by taking this thing, but just because you went through three others, what about Tonka, what about Boron? What about the studies where your testosterone is raised just from training legs versus not? Not allowed to do that. Where's the limit? If you get enough sleep, you raise your testosterone. But I think it's just like a knowledge thing. Like the smarter people get in terms of actually knowing what things do, and not even that, but like even with a diet and everything else, it kind of just opens the door like, okay, what should I be doing? Or what would be like unnecessary? I think two things are anchoring an adoption. So what is the current status quo? And how much of people anchored to what now is considered to be normal or typical or whatever? And the new thing is always going to break this status quo. So people are always going to be skeptical. I feel like that is some kind of different intervention that's not familiar with. And then the other one is adoption. Because so many people use caffeine, very few people would point to caffeine and say, that's an unfair comparison advantage. Because so few people use MK667, they're going to point to that and go, well, you know, that feels alien, that feels like an unfair competitive advantage. But if you end up with anchoring bias changes, changing, which is just a matter of time, it's just time and attention. And then adoption changing, you end up with a very different world. Yeah, yeah. I think probably within the next, I mean, I don't know, what's the, what's the year cycle of when the next thing is? Depends if, if you decide to stick about for a while, I mean, you don't know what's going to come next, but I think a lot of peptides, I'll be interested to see if RFK, when he leaves, if this peptide thing gets rolled back. Because at the moment, there's a level of use that's permitted. And I don't know if that's going to continue on the other side of it. But I also know that there are some companies collective OS is one of them that are trying to make like access to peptides and presumably your place as well. Like, okay, this is not Chinese bathtub gray market. Yeah, exactly. Like this is legitimate high quality peptides that you know from a source that's presumably inside of the US. You know, right? Okay, like I have that over time as that rolls out. It'll be interesting to see. But who knows, maybe we'll come back around to a blueberry extract that I was using fucking 15 years ago desperate to work out Kristian Tibido on his blueberry extract. See, that works. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, I think as soon as that, what you'd call the uninformed majority, here's FDA green light. Well, now it is. We'll switch to the next thing that is still waiting for like, oh shit, is this thing okay? Because this is something I end up bringing up with everybody when they talk to me about like Reddit trutate or like if somebody's actually like it was a cheating or diet. And in my head, just in general, I'm like, well, okay, how many like middle-aged housewives are going to lose like 30 pounds before people start saying like, okay, this is probably just a good thing. Yeah. Have you tried any of the GLPs? Oh, yeah. Okay. Would you maybe consider it if like, oh, I need a bit more help in my diet or it seems like you're pretty locked in as it is. Yeah, it's I'm kind of writing that I'd call it a sweet spot of diet. That's kind of the appetite where it's like for me to eat more food than necessary or to eat slightly less food than necessary is in too wild. But for somebody who's just constantly starving all the time and it's hard for them to even get any like app definition from diving down. Well, it's like that's kind of just luck of the draw. Some guys are going to walk around like bone dry shredded because their appetite is at zero. So they just kind of have this natural predisposition of like, I don't know, I had like a couple chips this morning and I had a coffee. Yeah. Robert Ploman, who is I think the fifth most cited psychologist in the world in the 20th century is the guy that founded the field of behavioral genetics. I was one of the guys that really really sort of pushed it in popularized it twins studies environment versus nature versus nature. And he was giving me this example about there's many ways to get fat. He was saying and he used the example of himself where he said he wasn't a massive fan of exercise just exercise doesn't make him feel all that good. But also if he walks past a bakery that's baking bread his desire to eat is fucking massive and also apparently he can put away quite a bit of food and also and also and also the fact that he's a pretty in shape guy. He's got you know this stack of five different comorbidities that are contributing to him supposedly being a fat guy right and he has to work super hard. But you can imagine a world in which the total opposite exists I enjoy training and exercising and so do you it makes me feel good and I like it's I started doing it when I was young but I almost don't choose to do it like I feel worse if I don't than if I do and for a lot of people they might feel worse if they do than if they don't and well and I'm not really that first about eating that much food and and and you're okay that's the same species right but two completely different worlds when it comes to training and diet which are the big levers when it comes to your body composition so yeah it's not blanket advice is right like calories and calories are progressive overload over time train regularly right okay they were instantly right there we go there's like most of it there's 90% of training yeah like progress but each person you can't just throw that at Robert Plowman with his bread fetish and say that he's going to take the same advice in the same way that you might do yeah so I think it's so when I talk about guys like that and it's like all right man if you're trying to cut down and you just don't have an appetite I guess you're spoiled if you're the guy with a huge appetite you're kind of just boned but that's just how it is so you can accept you're not accepted like understand these core principles and then know based on like your own situation what you should do or how you should like act to going forward you know you get to teach me how to like replace a tire on like a an ask car car and like put the bolts in or something but if there was an actual problem and maybe something was off kilter whatever since I don't know any of the core basics all I know is you told me to bolt this thing in I can now do nothing and I'm like totally useless but if you told me the basics of like all the different things that go into Whatever that little trick would be.
I'd be able to, like, keep an eye out for it and make adjustments. Yeah, principles versus tactics. You know, right, like tactics are very fragile in principles and much more robust, which is why, because you did eight years or whatever, six years of training yourself before you then decide to try and compete. Okay. Well, I haven't understanding of the principles. Yeah. Yeah. These are the principles. Yeah. And just work based off those. Yeah. Heck yeah. Dude, I appreciate you. Where should people go to check out everything you got going on? I guess it depends. You know, I throw an Instagram up every so often, like it's Sam_sulik. You can Sam_sulik was taken. Let me check. Let me actually check to make sure I'm not certain. But either way, if you look up Sam_sulik, it's definitely the first one. If you're not the most followed Sam_sulik on the planet, I'll be very surprised. Yeah, Sam_sulik. Sam_sulik. Cool. And then the YouTube account, Sam_sulik, that's every day. So I'll post one today. And the next day, you know, there's 1200 so far, it's probably going to be, it'll, I'm sure that'll be a day. I'm like, oh, 2500. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, just never wear like that if you want to see a good workout. That's for sure. I can. Appreciate you, man. Of course. So next time, goodbye my beauties. Dude.
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