How To Find Meaning When Success Feels Empty with Tony Robbins | Ep 994

Tony Robbins strategist to some of the most important people in the world, people that you have seen publicly and probably many more that you haven't seen privately that have impacted your life. And he's both a wealth strategist, but also a life strategist. And so we're talking politicians, royal families, US presidents, Margaret Thatcher, Princess Diana, Andrei Agassi, Mike Tyson, just the greats. And he's also published books, he's got a hundred plus companies, and it's portfolio that do north of seven plus billion a year. And as impressive as that is, 12 billion there he goes. I was, I was going to say, I was like, I hope this number is at wrong. I like book below the, most importantly, at least for me personally, is that you wrote books that changed my life directly. Wow. And in a couple of cool ways. So the first is there was an Indian guy who came here to the US 20 something years ago. And he was working as a janitor. And he had such a thick accent that they said, you're never going to get employed anywhere. You have to learn how to speak. And he tried to get, you know, how to get rid of an Indian accent tapes and those didn't really exist. And so they were like, well, you can check out these from the public library. It was Tony Robbins tapes. And so he would just mop the floors, listening to, I'll wake the John within. I'll wake the super cheap. Sorry. I'm that's it. But yeah, thank you. Yes. And so he's, he's mopping the floors that he's doing it. And that man then started a software company, scaled that, sold it, started another company, sold that for 3.4 billion. Did another company took out from 200 to 1.2 billion. And I met him right around that time. And he's my partner in acquisition.com. And so that's the first impact. Sure. On Sir Vance. Please give my best. That's awesome. I will. He's, he would be here if you didn't have. Oh, he's the man. The second direct impact is that there was a girl in Michigan who was a hundred pounds overweight had just been arrested six times just in the first couple of years of college. And then it was like, I need to change my life and start listening to your tapes and reading your books, lost a hundred pounds, competed in a fitness competition, and then got into business, built a whole roster of clients for herself. And that's when I met my wife. The most here. The one that most, most significantly impacted. That's the most important person. Of course. Of course. And then the third was, was me obviously. And my actually entry into your world was money match to the game. That was the book that got me. And so for that reason, I want to say, thank you for just everything you did. Well, maybe all the kind of words. I really appreciate it. I actually had like five words written down for this whole podcast. Okay. And I tried to compress a bunch of questions into just the most succinct thing. That was actually top of mind. For me, that I know will be top of mind for many of the business owners of my elite. So I have probably six percent business owner audience, a third of them are doing over a million a year. We also have people who are just, you know, just getting started, but a lot of people are predominantly business. And brothers and sisters out there in the game, in the game, in the game. And then on yourself and grow, right, find a way to give. Yes. And so the first one was, how do you see the dichotomy between duty and enjoyment as it relates to the impact that you want to make with the business that you have? Well, it's interesting, you know, words are tricky. They can produce emotions. And sometimes we pick up words because the people were around. I used to play poker with a group of guys. I was in like 1921 that they were older than I was. And they were all meridians of one. And I was kind of surprised to see one day, well, one of them guys, I knew he loved his wife so much. Well, two of the other guys always were talking about their wives. Like, I had to go back to the old ball and chain, you know. And one day, and I couldn't help see it. I was like, I was a witness of it because I was always sensitive to this. And the guy that really loves his wife out of habit of being one of the guys, yeah, I'm going on my own, my own ball and chain, right. And the language we use produces emotion. Sometimes we can pick up words and actually pick up emotions. Yeah. Well, no, it's just like, you know, if somebody you want to, you want to or somebody starts off, you know, the words are even more powerful. So duty could be a good word. Like if you're seeing yourself like a soldier. Yeah. Right. But I don't look at that way. I look at his obligation. Oh, I guess. Sorry. Yeah. I say this because I saw this in some of your language. And I don't know if it's helpful to you. I don't pretend to coach you in our way. But for me, at least, I can tell you, I look at it as opportunity. I don't feel a sense of duty. I can enjoy. Yeah. And being able to contribute to me, contribution is what we're made for. Hard to meet your own needs. Yeah. It's been big, right? It's like, it's difficult today on the lowland today. But have a fulfilling future of something you care about more than yourself. Yeah. And so if you get into business just to make money, there's only wrong. Yeah. Those people usually, you know, even if they succeed, they hit a limit of fulfillment because the economic returns only produce so much. And so I don't look at duty and enjoyment. I look at it as more like it's all enjoyment because contribution is the ultimate enjoyment for me. I mean, I get a business for impact. And economics are second. If I have enough impact, you'll never have to worry back. It makes your life. And I found that to be true in my own life. So I don't look at it quite that way. I look at it also though that if you think you're going to really enjoy your life and not doing it, think you're deluded because you'll wake up one day because the only thing that makes us feel alive is growth. You know, when you grow, then you have something to get. And when you get up, then your life is more meaningful than just, you know, pleasure. You can give yourself a pleasure by, you know, money, food, alcohol, sex, whatever it is, you know, but it's never going to be the same as when you have something that's larger than you that you're called to. It's like, I hate the word motivation because I've never been a motivator, but people use the word. So I'll say, well, there's two types of motivation. If you don't think of it that way, there's push motivation, which is, let's say, duty or I've got to do this or have to do or obligation, right? Or just just happen. And what, brother, you have a huge amount of willpower. It's pretty obvious by what you've accomplished. I have tremendous respect for you. And I do, but we'll apparently go so far. That's push pull motivation is where there's something out there that you want to serve more than yourself that'll get you up early, keep you up late. And it, it, it is it hard. It isn't duty. It is like what I'm made for. When you tap into that, your energy level will explode. Your contribution will explode. It's mean overnight. Everything is going to work your way. Of course, it doesn't work that way. But it will give you the constant endurance to move forward in a way in which you enjoy your life rather than someday when I get to this number that I'm solely going to feel good, because it's not true. You get to the numbering. If it's numbers will never be a friend. You know, you've done incredibly well. I have so many friends. They've got their business. They sold it. They made a billion, too, whatever it is. And you know, I'm slightly looking to get back in business again, because so many of their needs were met by the demands and the challenges and the growing. I think the biggest problem that I was human beings is that we think we shouldn't have any problems make you grow. Problems call to you because listen, you live for a wealthy good. You wouldn't be there if you lifted light weights. Yeah. 100 clings with some white white right? You're built. You built this body. You built it by challenging. But some people may be because of your background in the fitness industry. No pain, no gain, but today we know that's not true. You know, that we know today it's minimum dose will produce the maximum result. If you overdo it, you tear down too much, right? It's like finding the right dose just like anything else, like a drug person. I really think if you think you're going to just go off and enjoy your life and not have value, you're going to be deluded. You're going to be frustrated. You're going to, I mean, how many people do you know that were rich and famous in the world loved and they killed themselves? Yeah. Because they stopped growing. I give this a half dozen people I thought of in the last 10 years on that process. So I think to me, it's not duty. But I do believe those much as given, much as expected. That's one of my favorites in the whole body. I come from that place too. But to me, the expectation is a pleasure. I think the language we use trains are brain. It's like if you said to me, if I said to you during the break here, let's have some nutritious snacks, I said to a mass audience, wait for you, respond positive because you're fat. The most people I thought was delicious. Yeah. Very interesting. Or someone says to me, tell me, he made so many people, you know, hook me up, show him, introduce me to a great guy, a great woman. And if I said to them, well, I know this guy or I know this woman, they're really nice. You get versus yeah, they're essential. They're sexy. They're delicious. But they're different. They're nutritious. They're so rich. They're nutritious. I mean, the words change your biochemistry. The words you attach to an experience, become your experience. If you over, over you certain words, you won't even know it and you'll train yourself to have certain what I call an emotional home, certain emotions you go back to because the language takes you there. And duty and responsibility, if you're trained like a soldier, that might work. If you've trained yourself at no pain, no gain, that might work. But how do you know me ask? 36. Okay. At 36, years old, you built such a foundation, a business, a contribution, a wealth of your body. But at this stage, it shouldn't be penny, it shouldn't be suffering. I don't think it has to be any of those things. I think it can be total joy. But you have to kind of rewire your brain because otherwise past training can teach you in my opinion, the issue. Does that make any sense? Yes. And I will, I will just speak for me. Yes. The issue that I have is that I got here from pushing anger, for sure. But I think on in the last however many years, I genuinely believe that that's not as much a part of me. There's elements of that that are still there, but like it's not the core drive anymore. The difficulty that I have is like, I work the hours that I'm awake pretty much. And the difficulty that I have is finding enjoyment outside of work. And the contribution from that perspective, like I've spoken to a number of billionaires yourself included where I'm like, the next game. Right? And so the game that we're in right now, I know, obviously there's many risks. There's going to be lots of things that we're going to do. But I feel like I have a direction of what I know what we're doing. And when I talk to some of the billionaires that are in more private equity, financial engineering, commodities, trading, different than maybe what, you know, obviously what you do and two to grow what I do. I'm actually the business, too. Yes. They're like, you should do something that like really helps people. And I was like, I feel like I do that. There's, you know, only 0.1% of the of who see any of the content, the courses, the books, the whatever that we put out. I monetize in any way. And to a degree, I also reject the idea that charity must be something that does harm to you in order for it to be virtuous. Right? So that is probably a struggle that I have dealt with, which is that I have a, I have an apathy issue. I'll tell you a microcosm of this is when I got in the fitness industry, I got into it because fitness was the only thing I was really into. And so I said, well, I'll do something I love because I was managing consultant. I was like, well, this sucks. I'm going to do something I love. And then as soon as I got into the business of fitness, I realized that the vast majority of my day had nothing to do with fitness at all. And it was like billing and, you know, membership sales and like all this other stuff. And when I started getting the testimonials coming into these people who were going through, you know, our process, losing weight, getting off medications, whatever, maybe the first couple of months, it felt like something. But then on like the hundredth and the thousandth, I was like, well, yeah, you know, of course, you stopped, you moved better and you stopped eating shit and it worked out, you know, like it just, it's not basically the, the magic was gone for me. And so to the same degree, that's, I would say it has occurred within what I do today. But I don't even feel in some ways that I am driven. I do this because I don't know what else to do. It's like, this is the only thing I'm good at. Yeah. And so I do what I've been rewarded for doing. The biggest thing selfishly that I that I was like, really, or I am, you know, looking forward to, I was, I'm trying to navigate that. I understand. So you've got a set point on your fulfillment and you are not going beyond it. Yes. When I was 20, I got obsessed with positive psychology. I read, I had a trunk of books at every single one of them, we saw felt things like this early on before I had to business, any of that stuff. And I got to a point where I realized I read all the books and my life hadn't changed. Yeah. And I felt very hopeless for me because my subjectual being was the same. And so I came with a mantra for myself, which you might laugh at, which was fuck happiness. Because I felt so rejected by the notion because I felt so unattainable for me. And so what I replaced it with, I'll be useful. That's great. Meaningful. Meaningful. Meaningful. Life is a very useful life. And that's basically what I've warranted my entire life around was like, that's why duty for me feels meaningful because it's like, well, you know, I might not enjoy this whole ride, but like everyone else can get stuff out of it. And so that's that's the struggle that I have. Because like, I'm okay with that. You're okay with the bigger torn by my friend. Yes. No. Agreed. Agreed. I will accept that. I'm saying you accept it. Yes. What would you accept being else in your other businesses? Would you accept something that's mediocre to know? Of course. Yeah. Okay. So, so I'll give you my two cents, which is all it's worth. In less you emotionally, the guys with the astronauts, you know, I got to interview several of them, right? Think of that. They went out and they competed. They wanted to be an astronaut. You had a version of that. But I want to be a business owner, whatever it was you had. And they beat everybody, right? Tens of thousands of people. They got down a hundred down to twenty five down to six down to the guys that go to the moon, right? Who's that? It's built by the cheapest bidder. They run their back and they shot them out into the moon with technology that's far less than it's on your phone right now. And they walk on the moon. They look back and see that image. You and I have seen it. They took blue green of the birth, but that was them seeing it. And they make it back in surviving flash. They have a ticker tape array. They shake the president's hand. Now, what the fuck do you do after you've walked on the moon for adventure? Yeah, right. I guess like you're thirty five. And you walked on the moon. What do you do? And most of them became alcoholics and drug addicted. Yeah. And the reason is they forgot how to find joy or that adventure in a smoke. And so you have trained yourself to be paying equal success and success has a certain amount of value. But for happiness, you have literally hypnotized yourself and missing it because you weren't feeling the filled. So the idea that these people keep telling you, I would tell you it's true. And I'll just give my own experience. We're not the same person, but maybe it'll be instructed to now. So I don't know, maybe 10 years. I found myself in a place where it's like, well, I couldn't be more fulfilled than this. I'm the most incredible wife. I'm incredible kids. You know, I want to be an athlete and make it. You know, if I knew I'd like six average rings from different teams, I own or that I'd help to coach and turn around. I'm working with a great athlete from the world, the greatest business people in the world. I'm having fun. I'm you know, I'm getting rid of it. What else could meet me fulfilled? I mean, that's just there are I can't be anymore. I'm not complaining. But there's some part of me like you that was hungry for more still. You wouldn't be asking the question was there was part of you that who wants a hunger for something called happiness wants something that's just duty or you wouldn't miss me. So, and I'm telling you I have the answer, but I'll tell you what it was for me. It's like the same. These people told you is me. I've always was contributing. The thing was who I didn't know it says is very little. Yeah. But I started saying, you know what I'm gonna do? I want to do some moon shots in that area with scale businesses, businesses and nothing up to 12 billion. It's like in those days, it was like four billion. But what would really get me going? And at that point, I've been feeding people since I was at camera as 11 years old. We had no food on Thanksgiving. Somebody came delivered food, changed my life. It made me believe strangers care. So I cared about strangers. And I started two families, four families, two million, four million. So, about this point, I've been feeding people 37 years. So, I called my family. People I fed in my lifetime and they said 42 million. I was like, wow. That's pretty awesome. But I had no association to it. Yeah. I felt good. Yeah. But I was doing it in all these different ways. There's so much pain out there. Yeah. I'm gonna feed a billion people in the next 10 years. It's a very seven years to do it for it. I started out by saying, well, what if I didn't, as many people have done in my lifetime and in the next 10 years? What if I, there's many people lifetime in one year? And then I was like, what if they did a hundred million people in a year? What if a hundred million people in your 10 years have been a billion meals right in the United States? It's so like nine. But it was more money. It wasn't business. It wasn't okay. There's a system. It was like, I have to rip apart. If it took me 37 years to 42 million to go to a billion, it's going to require me to think differently, come up with strategy different, be different. To think of a billion line numbers, a different level of life. It's kind of like, can we say, we're going to go in this snack and we're going to land on the moon and bring a man back to the earth and all the guys that mess are like, this is not good. We don't have technology. I don't care. We're going to do. There's something about building a moonshot for contribution outside of you about your business. I did it. I said, I do it in 10 years. I do it in eight years. So then I finished that and was like, I'm traveling around the world. Do you see people starving? Trying to do what you're doing? They're like, I need something bigger. So I was in the UAE. And I had a lunch with MbZ in the out of the country. Brilliant man. Then he calls the next thing and goes, I want to lunch with you again. It's cool. So I come sit down with him and he goes, I brought you lunch today because there's two people feeding the most people on earth and they should know each other. So he introduced me to Governor Beasley, who ran the World Food Program through the U.S. So there's a lot of things to do in more than me. And so we talked to you later on the Nobel Prize, but we stayed in relationship. And because of our relationship, he got so frustrated with the bureaucracy of the U.N., one day he said, tell me I'm going to leave the U.N. because during his five years, we have from 80 million people at the purchase starvation of 385 million people. We're just thinking of those numbers. You have to think of them and you think of his numbers. It doesn't, but if you follow like one child starving, it'll change the only other system to something more. It's like watching a movie, watching a movie about war. It's too much. You fall at one person and what they go through, you feel it. So I got associated with that and I said to him, what if we create a strike force team? If you're going to leave, how many meals would it take to feed everyone in the world for 10 years that need it, where it would give us time to build a sustainable solution because you can't keep doing the same credit, right? He was 20, I don't know 40, 50, 60 billion meals. I said, let's do a hundred billion meal challenge. I said, I did a billion meals. When I started, I wasn't a billionaire. I've been blessed obviously since that time. You do great work. If you want to, if you bless others, you'll be blessed, right? I wasn't doing that reason. I just care about. So I said, there's got to be 90 and more guys like me. Well, there's 3000 billionaires or owners of companies or, you know, countries that will do this. So we did this hundred billion meal challenge and we went to Forbes 400 and I thought we're going to get 50 of these guys, right? The richest people in the world. Four people stood up. Four people, these people. Look, maybe there's a little bit, but I won't worry about the details. The strategy, the thought process and what kept me going though is it's not just having this unreasonable goal. It's having strong enough emotional reasons. I got in these environments for people starving. I got New Sudan, there were a million people cut off by the rebels there and they were starving and these used this last year. And the U.N. sent all these food people in and they'd kill the drivers and took the food. MBS and NBC, MBS from Saudi Arabia cares deeply. He tried to provide things. They killed everybody. So people start giving money. People are going to starve. So I, no, no, there's something different. I said, I'm just going to lie to the sand. We are going to feed these people. I'm going to provide enough food for a million people in a week. Who will match me? I got radio. You don't match me. We've got 40 million buns. But I know it. And this is where it gets so alive. It's like no one knows the world. We're going to do this here. I'm going to do a little higher bunch of, some military contractors. We're going to take C130s or we're going to take drones and we're going to deliver the food to the people. We delivered 22,000 meals that month and saved all these people's stuff for you. So when you do that, your level of fulfillment explodes. What the fuck compared to running a business? So now we got 62 billion meals in three years. Anybody ever follows humanly possible. And so now we're going to do a song and we're all the world. I got Ginny Jam, the most successful Grammy guy. And I got everybody you can imagine in the music business, all building it together. We just complete our first version. And then, but then, you know, I'm lucky enough, like, you know, I'm very blessed. I have a private plane. I'm 30 of my parents on a party. Yeah. I want to be conscious. How many trees? Yeah, it's 3000 trees a year. I'm like, 500 million trees. For not just wipe the trees, I'm going to work with the farmers and we're going to show them how to go for making a bucket heat to 12 bucks a day by having 12. The work was great to do. That's like, you know, a friend of mine's daughter was kidnapped and put into slavery. Just insanity. It happens. And American happens overseas. And nobody wants to talk about trafficking. But that got me associated to it. We actually helped somebody. And so I went out undercover and marked all of my face. They had a makeup person that scars on my face helping to go shit. These deals with these animals to do this. The least thing I ever seen in my life, but also the most beautiful. But again, I didn't just give money. I didn't just write something. I just put something I went in the fucking trenches. And I'm sitting there watching his girls go through the worst thing on earth, meaning they're chained to a bed to do eight or 10 tricks at the day. And then we get them freed running business. They've never been out there. They're out on the ocean. They're down here playing basketball. They're like the change in their lives. And so then I woke up. My wife and I have now funded 72 that started with 30,000. That's me. I grew up in the town of 3000 people. I want to free that many children as big as the city I grew up in. And now we're at 72,000. I'm going tonight. We'll probably raise 5 million dollars tonight. I do matching funds for everybody that they've been to do it. So I'm one trying to say to you is, yeah. And I love you. I respect you. I've come from that place. I hope you know I'm coming from to accomplish more than most people dream of the way. But once they get off your off, yes, off your emotional. I stopped this fuck happiness. Yeah. And just actually say yourself, I deserve it. I'm going to create happiness. But I have to do it differently than before. I can't just get up and just work. So I'm trained to work. I can't. I'm not a fucking robot anymore. Right? You're late. You smart. And you got way too big a heart. I know you do. I know everyone knows you well. I've seen you with your wife. You're extraordinary. You're not just a guy here does all these wonderful things. And they do wonderful things for people. You're absolutely right. But you're not connected to it. And you don't have something that you're obsessed about that makes you feel fully alive. You're doing it because you need to. The difference team have to duty and get to. Yeah. That's the thing she's reaching poor. And reaching poor is not money, right? Rich and poor is feeling fully alive. That's rich, right? Poor is you work your ass off. And you have plenty of money and you don't have one kinds of people, but you don't connect it. And again, I'm not making a judgment. I hope you can feel my heart. It's just I want more for you. And I know you wouldn't ask me the damn question. That's true. So it's like, but you need like your energy has got to be shifted. You need to kick it. It's you need an environment where you're in fucking fire. And then at that state, you've had that state before I guarantee you when it got here, but then you got sold caught up in the push. I think you've missed some of the poll for your life. And I think this is not just true. You it's true of most of us. Why are most people stressed? Like if you talk to people like accesses people, they're always talking I'm so stressed and stressed. I'll take away your stress because you're managing it. Yeah. You know, like you're managing all these great businesses. You're managing all these great money. But you know what when you may as it puts you back in survival, you tell me it's more stressful than even the dark ages. I mean, but what's happened is we have all this we're trying to manage and we're not made to manage. You've even so successful that now you've had a set point. And now the only one that's that point is people get to a point where they question they start going, is it working or not? But I have to keep. Sometimes you even make a point you say, I'm going to keep doing what I'm going to be connected to it at a different level. Or I'm going to change paths all the girl. I'm going to add a path that brings another dimension to me, the places that go. So I'm pretty passionate about that. I'm not primarily because you're asking me because you're asking a question, it's a very specific question. Most people never ask because they never get to where you are. Right? So you've gotten to a place where you've had a walk, but you're only 37. Yeah. You're God willing. You're going to have 50 or 60 more years your life. I don't want you going to do what you go around doing a good. That's I have to get up and look. Yeah. I want you to do it for something else. And so I can't do it for you. Yeah. But if we're going to get an environment and I'm telling you, but like there's nothing like being an environment. I know when that rally came, whatever events, you know, I got 15,000, 20,000 people. And he's like, I don't need this stuff. And you know, after an hour's assistance, we have 90 years. This like the seventh game of the NBA championship only last 12 hours. It goes. It's right. But without energy, enhancement, the brain takes over all the amount of your mind doing. The reason you're not happy is the mind is leading you. Getting your head. You're dead. Your heart is so big. And I'm not saying that to play K-Q because I know we have mutual friends and we all rave about what a generous, incredible guy you are. But I don't see you feeling the level that you have. And I can see part of it is energy. You can execute with your mind so well. You recognize, I'm sure like I do patterns, systems, you have put them in place. Get it done. But then there's not the emotional connection. You need a moonshotter to them. And you need to get connected to the people and see and feel the impact in a new variety. Because otherwise, it's a law of familiarity. You get around anything. You start taking a little bit for playing it. And that's just human nature. That's not you. So you have to wake it up and you got to give it so seated. The other thing is, you don't have a kid do you? No. I'm trying to give you advice, but well, I have five kids and five grandkids. I adopted three kids. I was 24. I married a woman who was 12 years my senior. She married her twice before I meet with kids from each person. I didn't recognize the pattern. But it was the best thing. No, I feel like she wasn't right for me. And I don't think I was right for a big choice. I end up with these kids. So I was 24 and had a 17-year-old son instantly. An 11-year-old, a five-year-old, and the one on the white. I've been doing my thing. I cured doing very successful. I changed the world. I'm not going to figure out all these kids in different stages of life. And so I tell you that because that marriage was in the right marriage. But those kids now, you know, my younger kid is like 42, right? I have a 52-year-old daughter. Thanks to COVID, I have a four and a half year old. COVID was good to me. I had a birthday and 65 years old. I have a four-year-old daughter today, right? Are you kidding me? But it is the greatest joy of my life because she makes me see the adventure in the smile. I want to do more for her than I want to do for a million else. Every day is new because everything is new for her. You just need some new elements. So I don't have to be a child, but I wouldn't mind recognizing the customer. But I think at some point in your life, there has to be something more than you that calls you. I'm trying to give you a sermon. I'm just so passionate. I have a love for you because you've delivered so much value. And I hate when I see so much value. And to me, I see there's a little bit of suffering. You wouldn't call it that. There's a conflict inside. I don't want to see you suffer. You're too good at human being. I don't see anybody suffering much. I appreciate that. Is everything that makes any sense? Yes. What part makes sense to you? I'm curious. So there's two, well, three things. So one was the emotional connection part. The second was the framing of the opportunity. And the third was around suffering. And so I want to touch on each of those. Okay, right. So from a suffering perspective, I find it really interesting because passion comes from the Latin Paso, right? Which means suffering or to endure. And so that made actually a tremendous amount of sense for me. And so I actually reframed that whole concept is like find a goal worth suffering for. And so I've been very accepting of my suffering. And to your point, I actually don't have a lot of anxiety. That's actually not the issue that I deal with. I deal with the other opposite. The opposite of not giving a fuck is a worth it. Who cares? Why bother? You know, whatever. So that was on the suffering piece. Before you give it to me, if I may, I get a note for taking the answer for you, but I'm just giving it to you. I'm just asking, okay, Eric, do I want to see more of that? I am. This is why you're right here, by the way. But what happened is you were so in your head. Yeah. So you didn't think what you did, like a goal with suffering for. I mean, I don't have goals that we're suffering for. No, look at me wrong. You know, every day is not like pure bliss. Yeah. And there's lots of things that I don't love to do though. I need to do to succeed. Or I got to deal with that's part of life, but pain's part of life, sufferings and option. You've heard that phrase, but it's a fact. It's not just a phrase. It's why you've heard it, it's so more. But when you make it your goal to find a goal worth suffering for, you never, yeah, right? It's in your way. I got my wish. You've got your wish. And what's happening to you is this part of you is so strong, brother. This part of you is too, but this is the lead right now. If you change the lead to here, by that sense of connection, everything else, you get the hell out of your head, because your brain is always going to reduce things. It's like your brain will never make you happy. That's the problem. Yeah. It won't even like a joint apple. You'll use it or then it. Like your brain is ever rising so much. You've got so stuck up here that you're, you're using this a magnet. I see in front of me here. You're missing the joy of so stuck. It's getting a little worth suffering for. Can I ask a question? So with the, like, get out of your head, get into your heart. Yes. I love the language. I don't understand what it means. You know, because right now you're in your head. Sure. Look, wait a minute. What do you feel the difference? Like this guy right here is smiling at me right now. Is that a different guy? Yes. Okay. So tell us. So let's do this. Okay. I have multiple parts of me. Mm-hmm. Most of us in life try to pretend we'll win. He makes you try pretend you're one thing. I'm sure you like us multiple versus we know what you're doing. This is my first time in public conversation. It's all right. You're like this person over here, right? I had a club of different names. I'm like, look at this mind. You know, it's hard. Yeah. Well, I started naming the parts of my wife's. I knew it was darker than I thought. There's body, pearl. There's there's some names I can't. It's just Friday nightly. This is Tuesday morning. I learned. But, but the point of the matter is we assume it's trying to reduce ourselves for simplicity. And society does to one thing. It's easier to manage. And there are many parts of you. Yeah. So what's the part of this guy that's so intellectual, but, you know, he's going to suffer and he's going to tell you, you know, then anyway, this guy right here, let's talk to this guy. This guy is very different. Yeah. Okay. So you're just stupid. Just like that. All right. So who I lose in his head all the time? I was, I was brilliant. By the way, he's absolutely up and brewing. And he can succeed in doing it. Yeah. What's that? Give me a nickname for that guy. One of the maybe analytical Alex. There you go. Analytical Alex. Analytical. What? Analytical Alex. Okay. Who is this guy? Which is laughing with me. Let go of his wife. Yeah. Big smallness. He's just. You call him. This is you, right? Yeah. Okay. So who is this guy? Annabelle. Alex. So. How is so much? Can you feel it? Yeah. Okay. So you, what happens is think about a relationship. Try it that way. Most people get in a relationship and they, I always tell people the secret to relationship 80% of having a great lasting relationship or intimate relationship is selection and people's theta labels. Shit, why don't you tell me that for us married for 10 years. It's a no, no, no, no. I don't mean who you select. Who you select to be in this relationship. So when you're in the beginning relationship, what do most people do in the very beginning relationship? What will they do for the other person? The best behavior, all that kind of stuff. And we're all lining them up, white you up. There's no transaction value. You're not trying to see what you can get. Like your joy is making joy for this one, right? And you're, you give your all, you dress properly. Well, whatever the problem is like, but you do the idea, you'll, you'll give your best for four. Maybe look at married sometimes. And that there's certain number of years. Forget and they bring a different person to the table who's always analyzing me. What did you do versus what I do? They're measuring transaction. No one wants to be part of transaction in the intimate relationship. And when you leave the transaction, it's not fair anyway, because in a relationship, it's like a team sport, you're climbing a mountain who's leading, who's following changes in your client, if you're calling that a big man, right? And you can't leave the whole damn time that you love to, but you can't. You got to switch it to make things work. So it's which part of you you select to do business with? Which part of you is going to run your business in so many of your viewers? I can, I see people different than you. They'll be like, Oh, you know, I just, I, I know I need to fire this person. I need to like go all this. I got to do this, but you know, I just can't hurt them. I wasn't at stage at one stage of my own life. But if you put that person in charge of your business, you're going to framp. Yeah, right. Right? Because you're going to be taking care of this person and hurting your plough and players, right? You're hurting your clients, right? So it's like, we all have to pick the person we're going to be and be conscious. And in your case, my friend, it's not so you can succeed. This will make you succeed. I have just wrong one here too. But if I let this thing take over, I would be bored. Shoots. I'd be like, okay, I have five sports teams and I got a billion dollars and I got this business and you know, it only tells me I'm the greatest thing in their life. Where's the medium in life? Yeah. That's what the brain does. Does the brain reduces everything? It compares it. Whereas the heart manifests everything. It takes the little things that make some bigger. What made you attract your life? But you first met her. It was this guy right here. Anabolic Alex. The honest truth was that I once I met her, I didn't want to not be with her. Yes. Why? What qualities about her? Did you not want to be without? I think she let me be me. Yes. She loved you for being me. She just never tried to change me and I think that was what was so unique. That's quite miraculous. I am fortunate at the same thing. I fell in that sage love me not because I was 20 rubbers. She just loved me. I never experienced that before, right? So in what else about her? Besides the fact that she loved you unconditionally? She also loved the same stuff that I loved. Yes. And so when we talked, we just wouldn't stop. And I feel like it has been one very long conversation. We spent two two weekends apart since the day we met. Wow, that's beautiful. Like not in the same literally the same place. Does she bring out analytical Alex or anabolic Alex? We worked together, so she sees both sides. I'm not asking about that. Which one can she bring out a shoe? I wish she can bring out whoever she wants. But who can she want more? I wish she first sure wants to have a picture. Of course. Go on and live at these. For me, I'm like now when we started here, right? Can you feel? Yeah. I don't do shit, isn't she? But if you don't identify, think about it. The strongest force and the human personality for any human being, you mean it doesn't matter. The strongest force is that we need to stay consistent with the way we identify ourselves. Identity is the controlling force of your being. If you have identity that says I always find the way to victory, you will find the victory if your lands are strong. And by the way, you have cancer in your brain, in your lungs, and in your testicles, which is inconvenience, you ride a bike. What does he say? He's find a way. What some people say. Their belief is I'm not the effective things. Life controls, what makes people, by the way, miserable is when they feel the events control them versus they control events. And all it is is a shift in here and here, right? So let's have that belief system when he found the way to live strong. Yeah. But he also said I'm going to find a way to win. You're seeing drugs that were elite. It's what it was. Costume is reputation. You want all these things, right? So your identity is aptly. And so you have to be careful because very often in life, we identify to who we were, like last time in a bit, do something a lot, not that kind of person. Well, when did you decide what kind of person you were? Five years ago, ten years ago, twenty years ago, would you use this phone from ten years ago? You'd be in, why would you use the same old identity? I'm not saying get rid of it and saying, let's expand it. And you, I don't have to, I don't teach you shit. You've done everything to do. But what I could offer you is to conscious choice to find anabolic outlets and put him in charge. Your level of happiness going. And it's stopped your hypnosis. You thought it was yourself a long time. It's time to transcend. Transcend means end the trance. Whatever you say to yourself over and over again, people, you know, you tell a lie big enough, loud enough long enough, sooner or later people believe you, you've told yourself a lie, fuck happiness, fuck suffering. That you got to be you know what? Fuck suffering. I want to engage enjoying it. It's not my duty. It's my gift. It's my honor. It's my opportunity. It's, it's grace that has put me at this point of my life. All the other people you've met, you and I both have busted our house. We wouldn't be or that. But we've also had grace in her. Your woman is grace for you. My woman is grace in my wife. I always listen. I, my wife goes of carnival. Tens of millions of people worldwide. And that was my rule. You know, not gonna be smiling. I guess not right now because I really can't wait. But it's true. So it's like those little shifts. I teach something called Transformation of a Cavalier. It's one simple thing. He's gonna be when I was probably you're, no, probably younger than you. I was probably 32. And I was two other partners who were very wealthy, super successful. One worth of billion dollars and other very real close to it, but very different person. And we're three of us were partners in a, in a certain deal. And we'll bore you the details but I'll give you the core. The core was we went in negotiation. And I'm an open book because you could probably tell. I'm gonna put something to be right at the end of the day. I'm gonna share what I believe, right? Certain areas I know just like, you know, right? Because my life experience. But when negotiation for me, I was like, F negotiation. Let's just put our cards on the table. I want to do business to somebody who's honest. I want to tell you the whole thing. Let's do something fair, right? But you know, certain people, if they don't fit for it, they're, yeah, they feel like they don't want to do business, right? They want to feel like they beat you. So I go on this negotiation and we're partners. I open the door and I tell them the good, the bad and the ugly, and I think this is a deal that would work. I want to deal with it's more than happy for you because I'm the kind of guy that I'll do a deal. I feel like I'm not going to give a person a little bit, keep it, they agreed to it. Just that's how you totally get that. 20 or 30 years is generous, right? So I'm trying to be generous, but it's not a big generous for the shark. You'll take your answer. Who's sober? I'm this 32 year old kid. I'm not realizing you're much more sophisticated than your age and that wasn't mine. So I tell the guys all this stuff. Okay, let's, let's come together. You're no longer perfect. But let's put it on the plane. Turn. He cares. All of us would respect each other. We're going to crush this up. And the other side, we're going to give you all the word details. Takes it and drives them manipulated us with leverage to make a deal that was far worse than we should be in. So I'm have been pissed. I am angry as hell. I'm pissed off. I'm frustrated. One of my partners goes, "Apeship." He's like, "I'm serious." He sort of runs a kill it. I'm at first. And he was so intense that he was, I was pissed off. Right. I'm going to call him in. Yeah. I had to call him in. And it was my other partner. He even knew. Like, you don't seem to be asleep. We almost upset. I don't. You didn't. Yeah. He's too crazy. I'm worried. So I said, I'm like, aren't you? I'm 17? Yeah, aren't you? If you're as I call. He missed. I'm a little annoyed. First of all, I'm a little annoyed. I said annoyed. Like, the word annoyed annoyed me for a, don't you understand? What they think? They's like, I'm calling them. In the middle of the law, I couldn't help. I'm a student of behavior, right? So I couldn't help to notice all three of us have had the same problem delivered to us. And all three of us have radically different emotional responses. Okay. Well, I'm listening. He's going on a rage, furious. I'll kill the emephers. And I'm picking on one. I'm so pissed off. I'm pissed. I'm angry. And then I'm hearing him say, I'm annoyed. I mean, that's what I said. I don't take over. It's a tankal. Look at the tankal. What do you talk about? Right? I mean, so in the middle of all this, I thought for a moment, I couldn't help. I said, you know, I'm hoping I've ever seen you really angry. That's very rare. I said, well, what about, yeah, this deal with this IRS agent came to us. I was a very wealthy guy, right? And the guy was the Irish agent. My guess is was, you know, you know, threatened by or said by the level wealthy had. And so he did some things that he eventually wanted. Took him five years to his money, but fought the RS of one. It was pretty rare, right? But during those five years, this is brutally, you know, anybody who were going outside, it said, you're going to tell me you were annoyed with that. You were, you know, I was pithed. I hear that I'm right. I'm listening to something really interesting. I said, what do you believe about getting angry? And he goes, I believe if you get angry, the other guy, if you lose, yeah, 100 percent, right? I'm like, I've never done it. Yeah. And this other guy believes if you don't get angry, when I get angry, I get powerful. And I thought, when I get angry, I get sharp. But I also thought, when I'm really happy to get sharp. Yeah. And it changed. We are started saying, okay, I call it transformational calculator because the word you attached to your experience, as I said, become your experience. My mother called me one time. I'm old. I'm probably not old enough. But before we had cell phones, you know, we had these little recordicals, you know, it was like a real to real. And you called in and got your calls. Well, I went to England and you're up for about, you know, two weeks. And I gave my staff the time off. They were worth their tail off. So my mom calls every day and leaves the message. She doesn't get a call back. And when I called for me, and the little beat thing wouldn't translate. And so I didn't know. I come home. He's with the messages. Every single message she says, I am humiliating. This is humiliating. It's, it's humiliating me. It's my life. It's a list of this going, my mom is always humiliating. Yeah. Do you know why? If there's a funnel of experiencing it's painful. Yeah. He's going annoyed. I'm going pissed off. He's going to kill him, right? My mom always uses the word for anything uncomfortable for humiliating. So she's always humiliating. So I never depressed. I was so depressed when I got chased out of my house and had no money on the background. I lived in this place of depression. I remember reading this book by Claudine Bristol's called The Magic of Believing. And I read the book and I talked about a conditioner ride. And one thing I did, I wrote on the on soap on the mirror, I wrote, you know, only a loser is depressed, which isn't true. You're going to be a way to be depressed and feel the way. But I knew I was a loser with my bridge. Yeah. And I literally took the word depression out of my vocabulary. I've never used it. I felt down. I felt pissed off. I felt frustrated. I felt sad. I felt overwhelmed in moments. But I never felt depressed because when I was depressed, I got the point where it's questioning whether it's worth it all, you know what I mean? And so your words shape your psychology. And so a few words, changes as stupid as that sound as overly simplistic as that sound. Or people give metaphors. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, nobody will sit down and come over here. Where do you talk to me? We fit the ties are so. You know, or somebody will say, well, that person stabbed me in the back and I'll walk up to him. And I say, you know, I mean, no, well, they betrayed me. Well, what do they do? And you dig and they go, they told someone else something they said they wouldn't tell him. All right. But the words escalated the emotion. And once they're there as a metaphor or as words, they control us. I'd like every business person to notice this. I remember, you know, I decided to give divorce when I was 40 or, you know, three, nine years old. And I didn't want to divorce that full of others. It's going to stay no matter what duty. And all those things that was easy to do. And then I remember one of my friend Peter Gruber. And I was like, you know, I just, I don't know. I can't imagine doing this. And then I'm going to, I said, I'm going to give them more than half of them. I want to take care of her. But I just the whole part of starting over again, you know, starting over and he grabbed me by the arm. And he goes, I'm going to teach you what you taught me for the last 10 years. He goes, you are not starting over that language is putting you in this place. He said, you couldn't possibly start over. He said, you could take everything from you. No, we take the man you become. The knowledge you have, the skill you have, the relationships you have, all those things. But starting over was my chance for being in pity. And when I stop doing that is like, no, you know, I'm starting fresh. And that sounds simplistic. But linguistics change of the brain functions. And so part of yours is some simple linguistics, but the other part is state because anabolic balance. It shows it all, it's like, I brought anabolic Alex here. And then a moonshot that's going to wake you up and then get emotionally, so it's like, go, like I might just provide it all this. When I first fed people, I would go there in a T-shirt in jeans. That's absolutely acknowledged me. But so I could see and feel the impact as opposed to a road of check or I did some good work or they did it. The more connected you are. And that once you get in the app, people say, oh, it doesn't get old. People cooked you 10, 15 times a week. No, you changed my life. No, it's one of the things I enjoy most besides my family. But it's because I train myself and never take a program. Is that helpful at all? Yes. Okay. From the state, you're anabolic Alex, including the last period. Yes, I am. Of course, we have a ball. Because you're, you look like two. You've got a very smart brain. We can zoom to. But let's start with anabolic, as you ask. So in order to create the emotional connection, because that is like the thing that I probably have struggled the most from, but I think it's made disproportionately successful from business perspective, because I can make good calls, right? But you know, I remember the first time I rode a million dollar check and the multiple million dollar checks to charities. And I was just like, okay, I feel like a million bucks for it. It's about it. Yeah, because you're not emotionally sensitive anyway. Zero. But like, you know, I did the tours at the school and I was like, I'm glad that this level, you know, just contribution for contributions, not what I'm talking about. And that's where I wanted to get. So like, so my, my last little word of the one that we heard most of them was opportunity. Yes. And so I think the question that I have is you have unlimited opportunities. Yeah. More opportunities than you can sink your teeth into. How do you go through opportunity selection and balancing your kind of achievement, brain outcomes and your philanthropic impact feeding families outcomes? I look at opportunities first for business perspective. I look at opportunities first to see, do I, do I have passion for what it's about? Is it something I would do for free if I felt it was really successful, that it felt fulfilling about the life that felt it was worth doing? Is there, is there a mission mind? Is it just, is it something with you? I have no interest, right? Second thing I look for is who are the people? I want people I'm going to enjoy being with. Like, I would enjoy being with you in spite of this conversation, something like I wouldn't because I bring out more animal accounts. I put your wide grades at my animal accounts, right? So I'm trying to make sure that I was do a business of you. I make sure this guy was present, right? But I look at the people and I look at the heart and soul with striving them and I also did their skill because you be both, right? So if someone's got a track record, I mean, something's going to share me when I got a really large project. And if the project made no money, I would probably do the project as long as I'd organized it so I can. They have to kind of reward for my time and my energy because the project has such reach, global reach on a very deep level. I'm very connected to it. And this person's built a business that went to two billion dollars. So they got a great track record. It's not me caring at all. But together, one plus one could be cool five, not two. So a deal like that gets my attention because most of money I make a giveaway, I mean, it's like there's, you know, I don't, I don't hurt for any capital. Yeah. And there's no toy that I'm looking for and I never drove me anyway. So for me, it's like, if it's got enough juice in it here, the people on be willing to enjoy being with, and it's going to have juice in terms of the impact. And then it has track record in the person likely to help get there. So it isn't all my back. The two of us are adding some value together. It's bad added value. Then I'm in and it's like, let's, let's rock this thing. Let's make it happen. Let's have some fun. See, my lips have some fun. Not let's do the thing. It's like, I'm going to learn. We're going to grow. We're going to expand to the base where I touch the lives of these things. So those are my core criteria. And I'm not always right. But one thing I will tell you that I've done a business because I've made some poor choices in the early days on business partners. You know, everybody's selling when you're going to business partnership, right? And it's like one day, you know, so it's like, you get, you get sold and the question is not going to do the job. We'll do the job in a long time. It's the way team fit like they're deeper questions. But I know when I have so many business deals, the first thing I do early on, I just had this happen recently with somebody's, like a large power plant and one with three gig one power plant. I'm converting it to hydrogen. It's in what's being told me about this. Yeah. So it's a great, it's a great project. But I have some people involved that shouldn't have been involved. And so I had some new people come on board. And what I do now is I go, they sold me. I was actually making them. I felt the vision was great. They seemed at the track record. Everything seemed lined up. And I said, look, you know, what I always do in any new partnership is I have everybody checked me out legally. I want you to check out all everything online, higher private. If you want to know everything about me and you can ask me any question you want. But I want to do the same with you because that's how I know when I'm starting. By the way, there's nothing I hear while I take it's true because you know, it's not true. I'll bring it to you when you discuss it. And then you and I can tell you know, most people have large, large bullshit meters. Right. We can tell when something's bullshit. Yeah. If perfect example in this guy, we have a deal with, you know, 10 figures plus looked really ghosted us. Just ghosted us because I and then I uncovered. I uncovered 304 things he'd done that were that great. I was like, I just ate myself three to five years of pain. So I do believe in the practical side. But I first, I'm not even interested in going in the second, first, fine, he's pieces. And unless I believe already there, but I can get pulled, right? I'm not. Yeah. So I have one last question for you, which is the most selfish of all my questions. So you were 36 years old. You have built businesses and the skill set that you are most proud of is that you're good at helping business owners. Yeah. The only thing I feel emotional connection to is teaching young men how to provide for themselves and their families. That's the only thing that actually, like I, because I know that pain. Yes. So that's the only thing. And to me, I've built a lot of the business and all that stuff basically around that. But I still still don't feel like that the massive emotional drive that being said, what would you have played differently from your 36 year olds off to current that you could kind of pass on to me the basically, what can I change about my behavior to maximize my enjoyment and size of impact. You have to make an enjoyment of priority, which you've not. You've always gotten your priorities, brother. You're good. You're an overachiever. But there's two skills in life. There's a science of achievement that you're unbelievable and great at. And there's the art of fulfillment, which I'm not so great by your description. Yeah. And by the way, knows the language difference. The science of achievement, it's a science. Like you and I both know, do you want to make money? There's a science to it, right? If you want to be fulfilled, that's as unique as every human being you're going to meet. And so you haven't found that piece. Now you gave some, some clues all the way. Like why am I so interested in being people? Because I'm such a good person. No, it was I suffered. Right. So I want other people suffer. So I started out of that. But now it's not a suffering. It's out of joy. You can get started out of the pain, passion, that's what you're able to stay in the pain. You kind of stayed in the pain. You've gone best. Yeah. But what you just said is well, cool for me is that's the one place I can start to get folks who associate it to because I know what it takes to do that. And I know it feels like to be able to take care of my family. I know the contrast, right? So I would take a look at that and expanding it. But I try to find a way to do it where I had a moonshot. Something that's like, like, like right in the moonshot of that. What's a moonshot exactly. You really are not saying you should go feed people. Yeah, or grinding those checks. The problem is you wrote those checks and you're going to give them a thousand. I mean, it's true. You're poor. And then you might tell me what you've been doing. I'm supposed to do good. So why I feel a bit much more good stuff? Because it's like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I selfishly wrote these checks so that I would feel good. And now it's going. And now I'm just $2 million poor. But like, but I shouldn't feel bad about doing good. And then there's just the whole thing. So my heart was having that. Yeah. So analytical, but as you laugh about it, it was in children. Yeah, at a ball. Yeah. That bullshit for itself, like that thing, I hope if nothing else you heard me say, you'll play with that just a little bit in your life and bring him to the table. But if you come up with a moonshot connected to that, like, I'm making this completely negative. I'm going to have 10 million young who right now think they can't buy it home. They can't do it. Most young people here have been sold this bullshit bill of goods. Inquations three percent. And yeah, you know, you know, I've got a 24 million out four million. And it's like, that's the catastrophizing political stuff. That's assuming that you're not going to have any growth in your assets. Yeah. And also when you're 86, which is when that would be 50 years from now, do you really think you're going to spend the same money without you being already on multiple homes? You want to have those, they're all well and valued. So most young people, they are not involved with free enterprises, you know. And so that's why they want communism because they've never been there. I was in the USSR when I was 23 years old. And I took a train from Moscow to Siberia with the group of scientists. I was brought because of my fire walking things like that by their government. And back, I spent two weeks there. It made me a catalyst because every stop we did, there's a saving in every city. There is a central place where the train stops. And we're going to have a caviar. And all these russians are like, well, fee on this fine. They're all supposed to be equal. And then you see people, who's a mile around multiple times, we have a mile around waiting in the freezing cold for half a looking bread and milk. Right. It's bullshit. But kids today are thinking, oh, it means free bus, free child care for you. They don't understand. There's no such thing as no free lunch. When life needs you to do is you've lived in a free enterprise system, and you're not an owner, you're going to be in pain. You know, you built businesses. I like kids sometimes, so here's to understand. If you put 300 bucks aside, we're still living in a home or you're 19. And you only invested in doing all the S&P 500, you're only about investing. And you stop this thing when you're 27, you only put $28,000 in 65, you got $1.8 million, God forbid you keep investing, right? And well, the numbers got bigger. You look at people today. They buy a, yeah. And they buy a new one every year. They've been going on since 2007. I look at them just the other day. I had to make a chart to show kid. And you tell me about, you know, you know, there's no way you can succeed. And I said, okay, you've had an iPhone since the beginning, when 19 years of the iPhones were written. It's out. He'd spend 20. I took up the exact dollar amounts for each one. And what the stock was at the same time, if you would about the stock versus the iPhone, well, just matched. 22,000 dollars you spend over time, it's just big or 326,000 dollars you would have. I don't think so. It's a change of life. But for somebody who's not being sure, isn't said, right? Yeah. But the other part for it is, is helping people understand that it's like, if I get to be an owner, the whole game changes, the situation could be my front. I don't have to live in this fear. I can't have something. So you, you could play that to kids, or whatever age you could bring in the biggest, come something. I want to take million or a million, or something, whatever it would float your mouth. And then when you see these kids, and you see a little bit, and you see them taking care of their families, and you hear stories about that, I don't think I'll be old for you. What you write the checks for? Kids after school care. Okay. And you don't have any kids. So you don't know the association. Oh, that's so clever. I can, let's shit. But you know, and I want to shit. I'm saying, don't let this happen. You've done so much, you need to find something there, but you'll, you'll find it. Yeah. Yeah. For me, you know, I wrote full books on finance. I never expected to do it. You know, I run it because I got pissed off in 2008. I've coached Paul Tudor Jones for 24 years, one of the greatest financial traders in the history of the world. Every single day, measure what he's doing, coached him to all these pieces. He had the most success in 1987, when the stock market was biggest percentage drop in the history, 20%. He made a hundred percent. But then it was like the moon. He went to the moon. And then what do you do? And he broke his leg and then he dropped. So I had to turn it over and nobody been friends. I've worked with him all those years. I learned so much from him. But when we go to 2008, and all of your viewers have been away, but it was much more brutal in some ways than 2020. And told me because, killed the big people money. And I remember being so angry because I knew a small number of people basically almost destroyed the entire economic system. And then I thought they're going to be punished and we gave them more money so that they could have more money. They can't. So I was I wasn't sensed. So I got that anger. I said, I don't have only answers, but I have one thing. I have access. Yeah. So I'm going to do you 50, the book you ran, 50 of the smartest individuals on earth who started with nothing. Nobody from a lucky sperm club. They all started from scratch. And I'm going to see, even though they're likely different, what they have in common, I'm going to buy a book that my billion of clients are going to love, but an average person could do as well. Well, Jerry, you've never stopped. I was like, how do I help people accelerate? I was like, I look around today. I see so many people that don't feel like I have a compelling financial future. And so I start looking around. That's my heart. Just so you know, pardon me. That's my heart. Okay. Well, me too. So my, my person and maybe they're going to plan to see it, but here comes that be something when you're teaching people. You probably already know this, but you may not know this part. So I'm looking around and you know, like the last 39 years, every single stock market in the world, which is where most people put their money because I just real say, right? And if it's their own home, it just barely beats inflation, right? As you well know, every stock in the world has been beaten by private equity, average private equity. So I interviewed the top 13 guys in the world, right? Well, the top 13 is the world's 24 here, view them and how do you get money in there? Because it's like trying to buy an SP three Ferrari, right? I want to go get one. They're all pre sold at three million bucks, right? Yeah, it's like, but if you have one and if you know the right person, yeah. So I got into some of those cool funds, you know, like, you know, Vista. Yeah. Robert Smith is, I mean, he's a genius. He's got a hundred billion dollar fund. He's averaged 26% compounded per year for 25. That's my, it's from, right? Nobody, but you can't get, or you might get it. I got in, but I got such a little. It's like, we'll take one hundred thousand dollars. Okay. So let's look at this. Let's just try this for people. In the last 39 years, if you put your money in the SB 500, it's average 9%. Okay. So if you put a million bucks in there, you know, at the end of this time, you have 28.6 million. If it's a hundred thousand, it'd be 2.8 million, right? Yeah. But he put an average private equity, it's been every stock market in the world, average private equity. I hope the guys I'm talking about, average private equity is average 15.7% per year. 75% higher per year compounded year after year. Yeah. You put in that same million bucks instead of 28 million, you have 293 million more. Okay. For sure, three percent worth. We're talking about 3.5 million. That was a million. I have instead of 2.8 million up 29 million. Right. Same time. Yeah. Passive investor. Yeah. But you've been, the next thing you got to say to me, Stonewell, you've got to create 20, but you can't get access. So that's what I believe to, like I had access, but small access. And then the other guy, I had been through this master program for 20 years. He started his business. I was telling my frustration about I'm only getting these little slivers that have changed your life. I don't want to get him bigger. And he goes, Tony, I'm going to tell you where I put the majority of my money. This is a very sophisticated investor. And I said, okay, I'm leaving it on this one. He goes, there's a company used in Texas, he used to think in Singapore, London, you know, New York, he goes off the beaten path that has mastered something unbelievable. He said, you know, there's private equity. So of course, he goes, what happens, buying the fund and fighting to get a small piece, you could own the company that owns all the funds and make the two and 20 yourself signed by side with the owners. Yeah. I said, you could do that. He goes, there's only a few companies in the world that do it. These guys are really going to get it what they call general partners should say. So you're limited partners, you know, if you're going, and you got a limited amount, you get, yeah. How do you do that? So I went and have this guy turned out as a graduate, my programs are 20 years ago, started his business with it. It's called Katas. It's Christopher Zoh. And I talked to Christopher and saw I put some money in with him. And next I know I got ownership and vista. I got a little slice yesterday, right? I'm getting the two and 20. So I have 95 of those companies now that have a piece of it. It's, it is nothing like the rest of the machine. If you got a wireless James, I get to work with the smartest people in the world. They're working all my, I'm right this morning without working all night on those faces, right? And now the same thing as sports teams. I work for my first sports team, the only thing you gotta go through it. You may have looked at a microscope through every part of your body. It's just ridiculous, right? But the rules of change recently. And now if you have private equity and the owners don't own other sports teams, there's some technical difficulties with it. There's a small percentage that you can buy. So a part of, I own the Dodgers. When I was growing up, I couldn't be in right field. I couldn't afford to eat it, right? The Dodgers, I own the Golden State Warriors, I own the Pittsburgh Pagwins, I own Aston Martin's F4. I don't piece them all these businesses all through our business. Then I became a partisan business. When I met him, it was 1.8 billion. That was four years ago. Now we're at 11 billion, just a few women at business. So the opportunity to blow is insane, but here's the problem. You had to be in a credit investor or change a million dollar net worth or qualified purchaser five million. So you're young people are going to like you do that. I wrote this book because I found out they just passed three weeks ago. The house was passing you rule. Why should the richest people in the world be the only people who get access to the most defective investment? So give me one. You got a diverse, but you can't. This is a significant point here if you give this kind of 10 times return. And so they were smart because it's like they say, well, you're not sophisticated. Well, some people have a million dollars, but they inherited it. Yeah, that's good. Well, they're a good business person, Mr. So a group of people, I was arguing this wasn't me finally resolved three weeks ago. They passed the law. Now the senate will pick it up in April. And what it says is, you don't have to be a credit investor to access anymore. Well, you're going to just take a test. They're working on what the test is. That's exactly the test. And now you can put your money into the same kind of returns to the richest people in the world. And in my case, you own a piece of those businesses. So when you're going to show up on your own business, the only challenge you go on business is you and I both know if there's any law of finance that everybody knows, but very few people practice. It's as an allegation, right? You don't put all your engines in my basket. So most people are the eggs in their business because they feel more control. And then there's a COVID that happens, right? So you've got to, I always don't even need two businesses. But when you're in the one you're building, but also that business plus an investment business where it's growing. So everything happens here. You're taking care of here. And if they both win, you get faster, you ever dream them, but you got to know what to put your assets. And this is just part of that process. So, but for you, it's like, I don't want my passion. You can feel my passion. I don't want to ever look at it. It's like, I don't want to shoot it, make it money. And it's like, and of course, it would money too. Like it's unbelievable. You got to find that with this piece. What do you think it would fear to tell me right now? I'm not talking to that local guy. Come back to the right side. I saw your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. The man will not be a guy. Well, he said, I'm going to crush something. It's kind of feels so good. I'm going to feel so much joy. I'm going to do expert. This many young men. And I'm a, I'm going to it's going to be part of who I am in my legacy. I'm going to live what I'm going to enjoy out not someday along the way. To answer the question, I think back to what was the big moment for me. Like, what was the moment with like well felt achievable? So for me, it was a hundred thousand dollars in my back. You know, okay. That was the, that was the moment I had brought about in my book. Layla and I were on the kitchen counter. And I was like, look, babe, we actually did it. And then it's years and years. Yeah. And it was to, to this day, the richest I've ever felt. And I think it's because it's the largest relative change in wealth I've ever experienced because you go from one dollar to a hundred thousand. You get a hundred thousand X and you can't hunt hundreds thousand X hundred thousand takes a lot longer than the, and, and, and that, and by the way, what you get about a thousand, your brain expands, right? Yeah. You see what's possible. And so I think it's because the first time that I was able to go out of survival. And I remember I looked at Layla and I said, we can fuck up for three and a half years. That's how I was a week. We could, we could, we could completely screw it over. You know, for exactly three and a half years. And she's like, yeah, this guy's a winner. Really all, all hundred grand for the both of us for three and a half years. She got like, you know, this is after she picks me up from, from jail for getting a DIY. You know, I mean, just that's why she's my one. All right. All right. That's awesome. But that, that moment, then like all the other milestones after that, that was the one. And so I think that, I think, because that one milestone is this is huge. It changes your identity. Yes, it does. It changes your whole viewpoint of the world to your point about the capitalist, the capitalist system. Yeah. Is that like, that is a big enough change where you believe in capitalism. That's right. And I think that is a a quantifiable goal that I am personally connected to that I would love to help to live. That's great. I love that. If I can help with it, count on me. I'm in to help you in any way I can. I'll give you educational to anything that you want to add to it. You're welcome to add to. I'll give it for free. But that that's exciting. I love the way you did that. You went back to a moment where you knew what was for you. So that's where the passion comes in. And by the way, that wasn't paying. Yeah. That passion was an excitement that you felt. Yeah. So I know the word passion literally comes from pain. I know that too. Sometimes we caught up on the original definition versus how we can live it. Right. Well, I love this idea. If you did that, how many how many people? Does it matter? How many how many? One person alone feels amazing when you do that. But is there a number that in your mind would say like, this would be like insanely fun and insanely great. I think I would look at a gender like the generation. So be like, how many men are in Gen Z? Perfect. And then I'm like, that sounds like a good starting point. But well, that's a lot of kids. It's the first target, though. He was just like, I have to bring you the bill. You know, you know, you want to an unreasonable goal, but you need a timeline. So that would be our 36 month goal or 24 month goal. That would be unreasonable, but we'll get you up early. Keep you up. 100,000 men at 100,000 is a billion in actual bank account wealth. And that sounds, that sounds like a nice round number. Yeah. Go ahead, mention it. 100,000. 100,000. Yeah. And feel the way you felt from that day. Yeah. That's nice. And then the second lesson you can teach along the way. Yeah. Because how to keep enjoying it, my friend. Yeah. So Tony, you have an event coming up. Do you want to tell everyone about it? Yeah. It's called the time to rise summit. I started when I first did when COVID happened, because I got the governor calling me in California saying, you know, that place we're going to put 15,000 people, 14,000 people, you put 100 people in because of COVID. And then I've tried to move to Vegas. They shut down Vegas in Texas. And so I built a studio. Anyway, a long story short, I said, people are trapped at home. They're depressed. They're frustrated. I want to make a big difference. How could I do that? Well, I'll take away the two things that worry about no time. They don't have to travel. Yeah. And no money. And so I did for free. We've done it now every year for five years. And I didn't go like two hours. I did three days. But I made it chunkable. Three hours a day, like going to a great movie only, it's changing your life. And instead of new year and new life and setting some goals that by the end of January, they're not coming. Yeah. We help you figure out what you want. Increase your energy, like we're talking about here because without that, it doesn't change. Shift your mindset. Figure out what you want. Figure out what the plan is. Figure out what's getting in the way. And over three days, and you've become part of a community of a million plus people from 193 countries that participate. And it's coming up January 29th to the 31st. And it's a 2pm Easter. The people do it from all time zones around the world. Again, no charge whatsoever. You can do it from your home, you free office. And I'm going to do with someone. If we go to time to write summits.com, do a charge, get yourself enrolled and I look forward to serving everyone. Thank you so much, Teddy. I'm sure you'll share that. Thank you, man. Thank you.