Jason Swig, author of the Intelligent Investor column for the Wall Street Journal, emphasizes the importance of judgment, common sense, and skepticism in intelligent investing. He highlights the impact of friction, including fees, taxes, and behavioral biases, on long-term investment success. Swig explains how corporate earnings and low interest rates contributed to the stock market's growth in 2025. He addresses concerns about an AI bubble and provides advice on diversification and gradual investing for investors. Swig discourages market timing strategies due to tax implications and trading costs. Overall, he recommends focusing on a diversified portfolio and avoiding attempts to predict market movements, advocating for a buy-and-hold approach as a more reliable investment strategy.
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[MUSIC] >> Would you mind introducing yourself? >> Yes, I'm Jason Swig, and I write the Intelligent Investor column for the Wall Street Journal. >> And what makes you so intelligent, Jason Swig? >> That's a great question, Ryan. So I often hear from readers that I'm stupid, so let's take it ahead on. [MUSIC] >> Jason is no dummy. He writes one of the Wall Street Journal's most popular columns, called the Intelligent Investor, where he gives readers advice on how to think about their investments. And for Jason, Intelligent Investing comes down to a few basic principles. >> It's about judgment. It's about common sense, and independence, and skepticism. >> Would your harder skills to learn, actually? >> They are very difficult to learn, and I, as time passes, I've come to think of them as virtues rather than skills. [MUSIC] >> Jason's job is to guide those investors. And today, he's going to take some questions to set us on the right path for 2026. Are you ready? >> I'm ready. [MUSIC] >> Welcome to the journal, our show about money, business, and the power. I'm Ryan Knutson. It's Monday, January 12th. [MUSIC] Coming up on the show, how to navigate the stock market intelligently in 2026? [MUSIC] >> So, I tried to look this up before we spoke. You've been writing this column since 2008-ish. >> That's correct. >> Yep. >> So the one thing that I feel like is a theme that cuts across all of your columns over these years, is that the best thing you can do as an investor is to just buy the market and hold it for the long run. Would you still say that's true? >> Yeah. That's definitely my view. And the complications come in because it's boring. [MUSIC] >> Why do you believe that just buying an index fund and holding it for as long as possible is the best strategy? [MUSIC] >> Well, there's a couple reasons. The first is that the biggest obstacle to long-term investing success is friction. And that comes from a few different sources. First, most obviously, is fees. If you're either buying an actively managed investment, or you're picking your own investments, every time you or somebody else trades, you incur those costs. And they can be very substantial, especially over in the long term. [MUSIC] >> Second is taxes. Every time you trade at a profit and you sell. >> You've got to pay taxes on that profit. >> Yeah, Uncle Sam is your partner. And he's always got his hand in your pocket. If you buy and hold, you can defer most of those taxes and often all of them until you eventually sell. [MUSIC] And the final friction is your own behavior. [MUSIC] >> Most people are very prone to performance chasing. When something goes up, instead of thinking to ourselves, it's become more expensive if it was a pair of socks, I wouldn't want to buy it now. But it's not socks, it's socks. And they're going up, so I'm going to buy them. And then when they go down, instead of telling ourselves, oh, they've just gotten cheaper, they're on sale. People say, I don't want it anymore because it went down. So when you buy and hold, particularly if you buy and hold one or a few index funds, you short circuit all of those problems. And you eliminate that friction. >> Okay, let's talk about 2025 for a minute. A year ago, what did you think was going to happen in the market? And how does that compare to what actually happened in the market? >> Well, I think like a lot of people, I had all kinds of concerns. I guess I was a little skeptical that we would have a really positive return. Because both 2023 and '24 had been very robust years. And often the stock market goes up three years in a row. And it can go up more years in a row than that. But those were two very good returns. And so I was like, maybe we'll get like a slightly positive year. And of course, it turned out the S&P 500 was up like 17.9%. And blockbuster. >> Both the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq soaring to record levels. >> The Dow up almost 13% year-to-date, the Nasdaq composite up 20% year-to-date. And the S&P 500 up more than 16% year-to-date. >> Text stocks in particular are driving markets to all-time highs. We're talking the likes of Google, Meta, Microsoft and Apple. >> Despite Ukraine, despite tariffs, despite the stuff about the Fed, Gaza, you name it, just went up. >> So what the hell? >> Why? >> Why did it go up? >> And what's the lesson there? >> Well, the stock market went up because corporate earnings went up. And earnings went up in a period of relatively low interest rates. Export by U.S. companies did quite well, partly because the U.S. dollar dropped a bit. And all of those things combined to produce just enormous profits for U.S. companies that are also being taxed at a somewhat lower rate, thanks to legislation. So when companies earn more money that gets taxed less, their stocks go up. >> So what's your high level prediction for 2026? You went into 2025 thinking that market was maybe going to have a lower performance year. Do you think that's going to be the case this year? >> Well, I'm going to check it out, but I think the best way to answer the question what is the stock market going to do in 2026 or what is any financial market going to do is really to say, well, what am I going to do? And how can I conduct myself as an investor and position my portfolio so that whatever the market does, I can either respond in an appropriate way or choose not to respond at all because it isn't really called for. >> There's a lot already going on in 2026 though that I wonder if it affects your thinking. There's Venezuela, there's the drama at the Fed, and the questions about what's going to happen to interest rates. There's concern about an AI bubble. Does any of that make you think about changing your strategy? >> No, I don't think so because there's always something to worry about as an investor. And if there were nothing to worry about, that would be the most worrisome thing of all. I'd be terrified if there were nothing to worry about. What we do know about financial markets, and we know this from centuries of history, and we know it from human psychology, is that markets don't react to what people already expect because that's already in the price of all the assets that are traded. What markets react to is the unexpected. So when we find ourselves worrying about the things we can already see, the one thing we can be pretty sure of is we're worrying about the wrong things. >> I want to drill in on the AI bubble specifically. People talk about is there an AI bubble, is there not, there's certainly controversy around that people in the AI industry certainly don't. But what's your take when you just look at the valuations of those stocks? >> Well, I think you'd be crazy not to be concerned about this. And I guess there's two ways to think about it. One is that there are great companies like Nvidia, Google, Meta, Facebook that are planning to pour trillions of dollars of investment into AI. And the people who run these companies are far from stupid. And the track record of these companies is pretty phenomenal. So that's definitely a positive. That is a lot less positive is there's decades of very rigorous financial research showing that when companies invest a lot of money, they tend to have lower future returns. >> Seems counterintuitive, but I believe you. >> Yeah, a lot of capital expenditure tends to be wasted. So when companies over invest in new technology, the track record tends to be very mixed. >> Also, just like with any new giant technology that seems extremely promising, there often is a lot of investment because everyone's trying to get in on it. And then there's a shake out to figure out who the winners and losers are. I mean, look at the internet bubble, which not wrong, but just still a bubble. That's really the key thing here is that you can be right about how the future will unfold. But if you pay too much for the promise of that future, you're not really going to make any money doing it. >> Do you think the AI bubble could be like the dot com bubble in 2000? If you think back to the tech bubble and of course a lot of our listeners might not have suffered through it the way I did, but you know, internet-related stocks lost roughly 85 percent on average between 2000 and 2002. I mean, it's one of the worst destructions of wealth in American history. >> Jeepers. >> So if you bought internet stocks then dot com stocks, you lost almost all your money. But if you bought the market as a whole, you certainly didn't do well. You lost about roughly 45 percent over that three-year period. But then the stock market came roaring back. And what I find interesting is if you subtracted the so-called magnificent seven, the biggest tech stocks in the country from last year's 17.9 percent return, US stocks were still up about 10 percent. So the non-AI stocks gained more than 10 percent, which is almost exactly their long-term average return. So how much damage or collapse in AI would do isn't totally clear. I think it would be very harmful, but I think the stock market would recover maybe faster than people would expect. We'll be right back. So we got, I want to turn to some questions that we got from the audience about how to invest in 2026. We got this question from Rin and Ulrich, who asks, what's the low volatility sleep well at night investment portfolio? Basically what's the safest thing you can do this year? Diversify, you should basically own everything. The US is roughly two-thirds of the total valuation of all those stocks on the planet. So if you have all your money in US stocks, you're missing out on a third of all the opportunities out there. So really the key is, if you want to sleep well at night, the greater the variety of assets you own, the less you should have to worry that any particular investment you own can kill you. It's a piece of what you own. It's not the whole thing. What about people who are not currently in the market right now? The stock market is reaching record highs all the time. It's more expensive than it's ever been, is now an okay time to get in or should people wait until the market goes down? Well, I think the best advice overall for people is to be gradual. Don't do anything suddenly and don't do anything big. If you're concerned that this is a dangerous time to invest, then invest just a little bit and do it every month. Invest $100 a month in a couple of index funds and just put yourself on permanent autopilot. Just every month, $100 goes in and as you earn more money, you can raise that and that means that you can't lose all your money because you didn't put it all in the market if the market goes down. If the market goes up, you'll at least make something because you're not out of it entirely. We got a question along these lines from Lance Robertson and Eugene Oregon, shout out to the ducks, go ducks. My question is about timing the market. Specifically I wonder about my investment strategy of selling a very small portion of my portfolio. Each time the market hits a new high, then using that cash to buy back in when the market has a pullback. Is this considered timing the market or is it a sound strategy? Yeah, so it's a great question with kind of a complicated answer, so I think the problem with that approach is taxes and trading costs. If you, every time you sell it again, the government is going to take a piece of what you got. And that's just not a good idea over time because it takes such a bite out of your 15% capital gains. Yeah, exactly. And it's better to leave the money in there and let it compound than to try to take it out and sort of hold it back and then put it back in. Because if you've just lost 15% of your money to capital gains tax, that means that you have to make almost roughly 20% just to break even after paying the tax. And if you do that over and over again, it's very difficult to make that work. Great. So we've talked a lot about when is the stock market going to fall? Is it going to fall? Is there a bubble that might burst? But we've got this interesting question from Stephen Baroneck, who takes a bit of a different angle. Hi, my name is Steve. I'm 66 years old and I'm from Jefferson, Oregon. And here's my question. It appears that there are more employee 401(k) plans now than ever while the number of index listed stocks have been cut in half. If the bulk of this 401(k) money keeps being invested in a shrinking number of stocks, then how can the markets ever go down? And how is this going to end? Well, we know markets can go down and will go down. And in fact, even in an environment where more and more people are constantly putting money in. Yeah, exactly. So the 401(k) wasn't devised until about 1980, but it's been around and has grown to a multi-trillion dollar marketplace over the ensuing decades. But just think about it for a minute. The market crashed between 2000 and 2002. It crashed again between 2007 and 2009. It crashed in 2020. It crashed in 2022. And 401(k) money was pouring in throughout all of those episodes. So markets go up, the stock market goes up when corporate earnings go up. And how much money companies earn is not a function of how much money is going into 401(k) plans. They just, there's no cause and effect relationship there. So this doesn't really matter, even if more and more people pour into the market, the market can still go down, obviously, because if something spooks people or if the corporate profits go down, people are going to sell and therefore the market goes down. Exactly. Any last words of wisdom heading into 2026? I would say to people, you know, be careful out there. And one of the exercises that I love to have people do is at the beginning of the year, make a set of predictions, what do you think is going to happen? Instead of asking somebody at the Wall Street Journal, what he thinks is going to happen? What do you think is going to happen? What do you think the S&P 500 is going to return in 2026? What do you think the best performing major asset will be? Think where all of those variables, the inflation rate, interest rates, predict where they'll all be at the end of the year. And then at the end of the year, look up the actual answers and look up what you predicted. And I have a prediction that the predictions you actually made will look very little like the actual results. So that's your one prediction is that we can't really predict anything very well. Yeah. And the lesson from that is, in my view, most people should stop trying to predict. Brings us back to just buying hold. Yeah, it kind of does. Jason, this has been so much fun. I really appreciate your time. My pleasure. Thanks, Ryan. That's all for today, Monday, January 12th. The journal is a co-production of Spotify and the Wall Street Journal. If you like our show, follow us on Spotify or wherever you give your podcasts, route every weekday afternoon. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
Jason Swig writes the Intelligent Investor column for the Wall Street Journal.
Intelligent investing involves judgment, common sense, independence, and skepticism.
Long-term investing success is hindered by friction such as fees, taxes, and behavioral biases.
Corporate earnings and low interest rates drove the stock market's growth in 202
Concerns about an AI bubble and market timing strategies were discussed.
Diversification and gradual investing are recommended strategies for investors.
Summary:
Jason Swig, author of the Intelligent Investor column for the Wall Street Journal, emphasizes the importance of judgment, common sense, and skepticism in intelligent investing. He highlights the impact of friction, including fees, taxes, and behavioral biases, on long-term investment success. Swig explains how corporate earnings and low interest rates contributed to the stock market's growth in 2025.
He addresses concerns about an AI bubble and provides advice on diversification and gradual investing for investors. Swig discourages market timing strategies due to tax implications and trading costs. Overall, he recommends focusing on a diversified portfolio and avoiding attempts to predict market movements, advocating for a buy-and-hold approach as a more reliable investment strategy.
FAQs
Jason Swig cree que comprar un fondo de índice y mantenerlo a largo plazo es la mejor estrategia debido a que evita fricciones como costos, impuestos y comportamiento impulsivo, lo que puede interferir con el éxito a largo plazo.
Jason Swig sugiere que la mejor manera de abordar las predicciones del mercado financiero para 2026 es centrarse en cómo puede comportarse como inversor y posicionar su cartera para responder de manera adecuada a cualquier situación del mercado.
Se recomienda ser gradual al invertir, hacerlo de manera constante y diversificar. Invertir de forma mensual en fondos de índice puede ser una forma segura de entrar en el mercado sin arriesgar demasiado dinero de una sola vez.
Esta estrategia puede no ser la más adecuada debido a los impuestos y costos de transacción asociados. Dejar el dinero invertido y permitir que crezca a largo plazo suele ser más beneficioso que intentar temporizar el mercado.
El hecho de que más personas inviertan en el mercado no garantiza que no pueda caer. Los mercados pueden descender por diversas razones, como la disminución de ganancias corporativas, el sentimiento del mercado o factores externos, independientemente del flujo de dinero en planes de jubilación como los 401(k).
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