How The Sinaloa Cartel Moves Cocaine Across America

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Energy for everything. Visit TXU.com for more information. Rep number 10004. When I was at foster care, I was introduced to him basically because he was looking for a driver. I was working with Beltran Labor. I learned how to collect money, how much things were going for. I learned the inside of the business. How many keys would you give a customer? 300, 500? Yeah, somewhere around there. If it's not a ton or better crossing that border, they're not even going to entertain it. I had a monthly budget of $30,000 a month. Jacob Diaz grew up broke and homeless in a Florida trailer park. Then, a chance encounter with a car dealer. The cartel boss changed his life forever. How does a kid with nothing go from selling dime bags of weed to moving hundreds of kilos of cocaine at a time from Texas to Florida? You're about to find out. And if you like stories like this, hit subscribe so that you never miss an episode. Okay, it's the one and only Jacob Diaz right here on The Connect with Jonny Mitchell. Was this a route would you pass through Austin on your way back to Florida? No, I lived. I was living in Austin. Wow. I was living on West Anderson and 290. It was our apartment complex there. Wow. So you were here overseeing things. Oh, no, I was just I just came back from Mexico. So I was I ended up staying in Austin because I needed to wait for him to come across the border. So when he came to Austin, I can just get in the car and go to Florida. I got you. So that was the only reason why I was in Austin. I ended up staying longer than I needed. So I had an apartment and I stayed there for like six months. But, you know, after that, so Austin is a hub for cartels. I don't know. Houston is for sure. Houston, definitely. San Antonio is Laredo. Brownsville. So that whole corridor was your route. My was. And what the hell is that? What's what's on what's there by the Browns is Brownsville, not Matamoros. Reynosa. Reynosa. Yeah, like through there, like through there can come up. I was on a driver to go to the border and and they would take his truck and then drop his truck back off at the hotel and then from there he would just drive back to Florida. And that was during that era. That was when Chapo and Sinaloa were at war with the Gulf and the Zetas in that area. So they were trying to take those plazas. So it was super hot. Yeah, it is. It's it's always been hot just because the more territory you have, the more power you have, the more money you got. So like they the date. And what I know is they will and they will divide. OK, you get that. I got that. I got that. So there's there's enough for everybody to eat. You know, every now and again you'll get some movement and action with people overstepping their boundaries and shit happening behind the scenes and how they would start shooting each other. And was it the cartel in Sinaloa that you were moving product for? No, I was working with Beltran Leyva. OK, yeah. So that was that's an offshoot of the Sinaloa. They were they they branched off from them. So did they have an alliance with the gulf that owned those plazas in the east like Reynosa Matamoros? Yeah, they they had a deal with, you know, give me a cut, you know, and you can you can use my your routes, the warehouses and. Well, they had their own safe houses like in Houston and by the border. Wow. Yeah, that's wild. And that's mostly cocaine in that era. Yeah, I never I never sold anything else. And what was a brick going for in like 2008? On this side? I remember 2008, there was a huge bust. That's when the price went up. Sixteen, five, it ended up being 19, five. Oh, on this side. Yeah, 19, five. That's wild, because now it's probably like 11. I've heard it's like 11 or 12. I still don't even believe that. Like when I got popped, it was 30 in 2011. I was selling it for 27, five, 50 at a time, but it was slower then. And it was like 20 every other week. Hmm. Yeah. But you got up, you would you would for your boss, he'd be moving 50. I don't know. They're they're moving. Like they they they come in like a big package and then they'll divvy up. You know, you get 20, you get 10, you get. So it was in the beginning working with the same person all this time. In the beginning, it was it was great, you know, like 50 all the time, 50 a week. You know, as much as you can take. But then it's like as time went on, it just kind of was like you're scratching for crumbs because I would have to go to another guy locally that I know. And hey, can you give me one or two? Because it was a drought. It was a drought for a while. And they weren't sending no one was sending anything. No one was sending anything. Did they tell you why? Was it because they were at war? Well, that was a remember the queen of the South? Yeah. All right. So there was a there was a allegedly there was a bust out there in the Pacific, like by L.A., like out there south, like San Diego. That was a huge. You know, the ships that carry containers. Yeah. So there was a huge bus, like tons, tons got popped. And when that happened, it was it was quiet for a few weeks. And then the prices jumped like overnight. Five thousand easy. Right. What would you rather as a drug, a middleman, right? A guy who's picking up wholesale from. Yeah, I was just logistics. I was like a broker. I was translating and. Right. So as that what do you prefer? Do you prefer an environment? Where it's flooded and the price is really low and you never have a drought. It's moving smooth, but you can only get one or two points per kilo. That one you prefer that over prices being twenty, twenty five. For one, no one can beat my price, too. Can nobody beat the product? So they're going to get the best of the best, no matter how much it costs. And if it's cheaper than everybody else's, it's a no brainer. So even if it's even if it's flooded, you're still you still got the best. Because I didn't cut it. I didn't touch it. We were the first person to touch it when I came across the border and I didn't know how to cook or cut none of that shit. And everybody was doing that when I got it. They would try to stretch it. You hear, oh, I make one key into two. I'm like, who the fuck's doing that? You know, that's not a that's not a flex. You ain't got no plug. Well, crack dealers do that. But that makes sense because that's their environment. Yeah. But no Mexicans. You guys take pride on having great coke and cheap. The cheapest Jacob Diaz, the only Mexican to ever have grown up in Florida only. I mean, literally, I've never heard you must have been the first. Tell us about your childhood was wracked with real poverty. Yeah. So almost Mexican style poverty. But in the United States, for sure, man. So as far back as I can remember, it's been hell. It was hell growing up. One, I couldn't understand why I was the only one out of my friends. I didn't have shit. I didn't have a dad. I didn't know that that was a thing like, oh, you don't have a dad. What the fuck? So I grew up with a single single family home. My mother worked sometimes two jobs. We never had a car. So sometimes she would walk to work or either catch a ride with a co-worker. And since we lived out in rural in the rural area, it was all dirt roads and shit. So it was hard, harder for her to get a job. So we was on government assistance a lot of times. And a lot of times no electric in the house, no food, you know, nothing. Really, nothing really going on. I would go to school just to eat. I didn't like school. I never liked school. So I just I used to go to school every day just to eat. Just to get the free breakfast, breakfast and lunch. And then I'll figure out dinner. And that was Ocala, Florida, right? OK, and that I've seen I was watching videos of it and it looks like it's essentially the whole thing is like a trailer park, you know, but a rundown trailer park. Yeah. So I did stay in a neighborhood that was all trailers. So, yeah, I did. But it wasn't like a trailer park, you know, like a like a round. It was a huge, huge neighborhood was all trailers, dirt roads, all that shit. And you were like the poorest of your friends that are already pretty poor. Yeah, everybody, all my friends, they all they all had either moms and dads. They all had jobs. They all had cars that cable cable was a big deal back in the 90s. How did you guys end up there? How did your family is your family from Mexico? So I was born in Pennsylvania. And according to I never met my dad. So I never met my dad. And I don't know why, how, what happened. I just hear stories from other relatives. So and I didn't find out till later, like my mom has a mental issue because her story would change. So I stopped asking. So when I was a kid, I was very I was very curious. Hey, you know, who's my dad? Where's he at? Why isn't I here? And then she was just telling me, you know, your parents tell you something because you're a kid, you know. but I took it seriously. I'm like, man, like, i need to find out these answers because i know there's a bullshit answers so yeah uh they are mexican my mom was born here though so growing up she would teach us uh english she just they didn't want to speak spanish or anything but i grew up around you know mexicans and in those in those neighborhoods and that's how i would learn little by little about uh speaking because i wanted to speak spanish yeah i was always being made fun of because i didn't speak spanish all my like all my brothers my two brothers they're darker they look they didn't have the name i got jose and carlos you know what i mean like you can't it doesn't go over your head right then you have me you know and my name's jacob and it's like you don't know until i say my last name ds and it's like oh but yeah and because you go on to translate when you start working for the organization you go on to be a translator that's why i asked like how much spanish that you had picked up as a kid i picked up i picked up the bad words first and then i worked my way up to doing i would watch uh uh the news in spanish i'll watch novellas in spanish and just be around people who didn't speak barely any english and then i would take out of the sentence i would take one or two words and put it together like oh i know what you're talking about now so that's how i would and it worked you know i mean i ended up translating make it for serious so i was like i knew what i was listening i knew what i was hearing i knew what i had to say dude that that's like did that blow your mind where you're like becoming bilingual was so valuable yeah because now you're talking about moving hundreds of thousands millions of dollars you're talking about transporting you know hundreds of kilos at a time oh i mean once i figured out how valuable i was i'd man my smell like roses and you you couldn't tell me so you because you worked logistics in the organization and we've talked to a lot of guys in this show usually white guys who the cartels love because they're responsible they're organized they're making it happen and of course they're americans right you're an american that looks mexican so and are mexican but you're an american so you're the most valuable because you can blend in you can cross the border you have family on that side you know the culture but you're an american you've got that passport and you you operate like an american and basically i can code switch that's it so i can speak ebonics i could speak proper english i could speak redneck english i could speak spanish i could speak proper spanish i could speak right hood spanish i couldn't that's amazing yeah and that's what they look for they like they like guys that dress like t-ball coaches a chameleon yeah they don't want i do with tattoos all over them no it's too much attention way too much attention yeah so and when i say poverty i want to talk about you have a up childhood like your ma you were in foster homes your yeah i eventually did go there the state separated the siblings like they took your brother they took you yeah so so that how that went down was i was like 13 13 and my younger brother was in a detention center for fighting um i was only staying with my mom my older brother moved out he was acting grown doing his thing and the state wouldn't let my sister stay with us because in florida i don't know about now but at that time they were like they were like they were like i don't know what to do with my mom the law was a brother and sister couldn't share a room so you had to buy and we couldn't afford a bigger house or more rooms so what my mom did was she let she let her stay with a friend of the family temporarily until we can you know get uh something more convenient i guess and that's when everything started slowly but surely started to trickle down so when my mom used to go out on the weekends with her with her little girlfriends whatever they do a little girl thing um my mom didn't drink do drugs you know that uh i think i might have seen her drink a wine cooler once in my life you know that was a wine cooler so one weekend she never showed up but her friends did so i'm waiting you know she leaves friday night and sunday she comes back so sunday i see all her little friends come back but they're acting weird so i'm like what the and i and me being me uh i approached them and say what's up what's up now people call me an or a but that's how you get your so i was like hey so what's up where's my mom oh i don't know she's one so one would say she stayed with the man another one say i don't know but y'all were all together and y'all come back together every single weekend so you mean to tell me y'all know what the happened so i felt like they were hiding stuff so i would ask and ask and ask and so about a month passed by and the landlord which is another friend of the family uh named patty which looking back is straight up on her part to do this because i've known her since i was six yeah so so she comes and was like oh i need to rent money and it's she's the owner of of the trailer and everything and we're neighbors and i'm i'm 13 and i'm the only one there and you're like i don't have 75 like what the i can barely eat you know what i mean so she says oh we need the money uh where's your mom at i said i don't know i'm i thought you would know i don't i don't know anything so she goes okay if i don't have the money by friday you you got to leave so like that's when i experienced homelessness so i ended up being homeless and you're 14 13. and your mom's literally gone run out on you never said bye nothing that's and how long would it be before she came back into your life actually that's that's a funny that's a funny you said that um i actually ended up finding her years later but not because i wanted to i did it for my older brother so i found her in two days really yeah and then the next county over she's been over there like over 10 years what was the story why did she leave well when i finally got to invite her to say hey let me take you out this weekend we're going to go talk you know and she says uh well i asked her i said hey i got a question i want to ask you ever since you know i was little i said why'd you leave us i said not even us but why'd you leave me because i was a huge mama's boy huge and she goes i felt like y'all didn't love me and i said so i looked at her i said that's the best answer you can come up with after all this time i said let me tell you something i said you know a dog doesn't even leave their own puppies so what does that make you less than less than an animal wow yeah she just put her head down and i continued on with with uh going out to dinner with her hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30. i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save wow yeah so you could have it was really your brother you you had said her i don't have a mother anymore you had kind of ridden her off well i didn't i didn't say that the reason why i said i got it from my brother was because one day we're driving around and he was drinking and just i just watched i was watching him deteriorate you know just sabotage his life you know just because my mom wasn't there and what i did a few years prior to that was i was in a balcony and on christmas in acapulco at a christmas party and uh i would cry like randomly in public because i was very depressed suicidal all this because my mom you know i lost my best friend my everything and i had i had everything that i wanted to ever give her but i can't give it to the only person that i wanted to since i was little so it me up for years and so one day i just went outside by myself and i said all right i could self-talk and i said hey what do you want to do do you want to continue living your life like this or do you want to live your life normal like everybody else and the only way i could live normal was to finally accept that the fact that she was dead because i can't say she's coming back because that's giving up that's false hope i'll just be sitting here depressed all the time and then i'll cry randomly i'll go to walmart one day and just i'm just bust out crying you know just like that so i got tired of living like that it wasn't fair to me so i said let me what could i do to to not do that anymore and i was just accept the fact that she was dead so once i once once that clicked yeah like i can breathe i was able to breathe i was able to laugh and be sociable and and see life in a different lens and be more receptive to things around me and you know make plans with people and enjoy moments and create you know just friendships and relationships and because at that point in time at that before i did that i didn't take anything serious uh anyone would come and try to be my friend or i just nope like they asked me simple questions oh where do you work at you know what do you and not lie i just always just listen i was always horrible and i didn't like that so by the time that you did find your mom it wasn't that crushing emotionally because she had been dead to you for a long time you know she had been dead to you for a long time she had been dead to you for a long time yeah yeah the emotional the emotion part even to this day is um is not there is not have you found your dad no i i heard i mean i can i i just i got i don't know i just to me i when i needed him the most is when i really wanted to enjoy you know like go fishing go camping little like that but i Like, I'm too grown to be like, oh, I need a dad, or I want to know how he's like. I mean, eventually, when the opportunity comes and when I want to, but I just, like, I just don't. - It gets to a certain point where you're like, what's, why? - Yeah, I mean, I don't have anything. There's, I don't have anything against the person, the man or whatever. I don't have anything against him, you know? I just don't, I just, I've, I guess you could say grown to where I remove my emotions a lot. I remove my emotions from a lot of situations. And because when I was doing what I was doing back then, I couldn't have emotion. I couldn't. - That's why, I think that's why you succeeded. - I couldn't have emotion. Emotions will kill you. - For sure. - Yeah, 'cause if you get, let's say, for example, you owe me money and I want to, my ego kick in. That's an emotion. My emotions kick in. Oh, you think I'm a fucking joke? Oh, you think I'm bull? No, it's even worse when you don't even, when you don't even, when you don't even think about it. When you don't even look hard. When you look soft, it's even worse. It's harder to hold that emotion back. 'Cause it's, I mean, you know it. Oh, you watch your friends pick on the soft kid, but won't pick on fucking kid with tattoos or dude with tattoos. Like, what the fuck? I thought, keep it uniform. If you're going to be a dick, be a dick all the way across the board. Don't pick and choose. That's soft. To me, that thing, that's soft. So I didn't, I didn't really had that type of emotion. Where I would, like, I need, I need that in my life. - Today's episode is sponsored by a company that is so near and dear to my heart. It's almost like I'm a co-owner, HIMS, HIMS. I have been using HIMS ED medication. Well, since I've been sexually active, really before then, if I'm being honest. If you're affected by erectile dysfunction, hell, even if you're not, and you just want a 150% missile always, HIMS is the product for you. 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I didn't know it was called a hustle mentality, but I started a landscaping business when I was nine, 10 years old with my buddy, just like we do the yards on the street, you know what I mean? - Yeah. - I'm not gonna sit here and be like, "Oh, we had," no, I had a push mower. I did the negotiations with, I did everything. My friend was scared. He had all the materials that I needed to go forward, so I was like, "I got it from here." So he was scared to go talk to the knock on the door, and I knock on the door, and a lady will come out, "Oh my God, you're so cute. Yeah, you can rake my yard. You can cut my grass," and I'd get away with my looks. So I was like, you know, they'll pay me extra 20, 30 bucks, and he would help me, whatever, but I had that idea, and then I didn't have money to eat, so for a while in middle school, I would go to the gas station and steal a bunch of gum, packs of gums. Remember when the big packs were a dollar? So I would take a bunch of those. I would steal it from the store and go to school and sell them all and give the money to my mom so she can buy us food. - Wow. - Yeah, like little shit like that I would do. Everything would change going up, and then once I became homeless, before I went to foster care, I got introduced to selling weed because I was hungry. There was one night where I didn't have anything to eat at all, and it was getting late. It was like nine, 10 o'clock, and everything shuts down in Ocala around that time, so I knew a girl that was delivering pizzas, and she would buy weed off me. So when, well, not buy weed off me, but she would ask me to go find her weed, so I had a guy who I can go to for weed, and so it clicked in my head. I said, "Well, I can get a quarter." A quarter was like 20 bucks back then. - Quarter ounce, yeah. - Yeah, I get a quarter, and I can give it to her. She'll give me two large pizzas, 'cause she told me, "Oh, all I gotta do is just go back "and say that the person didn't answer the door, "and they're gonna make me throw it away anyways." So I said, "Perfect, we can do this once a week, "or however many times you think you can get away with it." So that's how I was able to eat, and then it clicked. - So you would stretch a pizza? Like, you'd get two large pizzas. You'd stretch that bitch for four days. - Well, no, I'm smashing one pizza that night, and then if I'm with like a buddy or two, whatever, 'cause I knew I could do it again at that point, so I would share. But yeah, like two, three days, I would probably stretch it out. Yeah, and then there was a moment where I said to myself, I said, "Well, now that I have food, I need clothes, "'cause I didn't have clothes. "I didn't have shoes, I didn't have shit." So I said, "Let me go ahead and get some clothes." I started selling nicks and dimes. "I'll make like five bucks profit here, five bucks," you know, and I see it, and then I'm like, "Okay, something's working, something's, you know, clicking." So I started expanding more and saying, "Oh, you know, do you know somebody needs an ounce "or a QP or, you know, half pound, whatever, "and I can get it for them." And then around, I'd say about almost a year later, my brother, my younger brother, who came out of the Tetris Center for fighting, 'cause he was in there for about a year, he ended up going to like a boy's ranch, I think. It wasn't a foster home, it was a boy's ranch, that's what they called it. And so I found that out because there was a state worker, a child services, whatever, they call it DCF, Department of Children and Families in Florida. So DCF will come out, and they would look for me in the neighborhood, they'd never find me. They said they were looking, when they finally called up to me, they said they're looking for me for about a year, and I wasn't even hiding. I was just running the streets, you know, here and there, whatever, 'cause I wasn't going to school. I couldn't, I had no school clothes, no nothing. I didn't have nowhere to stay, like that, so I didn't go to school, and I was away from my friends to come outside, or come back from school. And then- - Dude, you grew up like a character out of a John Steinbeck novel, in like the 1920s. - Yeah. - Like you're just wearing overalls, and you got fucking no shoes, walking around shoeless. - No, I had shoes, but I had- - One pair. - Yeah, you know what I mean? Like I didn't have, I didn't have, when you go to school, you gotta have nice clothes, shoes, whatever. I had holes in my shoes, and you know- - Damn. - Yeah, I had like the same three outfits in rotation. - Wow. - And- - That kind of poverty is so rare in America, you know what I mean? - And at that moment, I didn't know the severity of that. I just thought it was normal, because I was doing that my whole childhood. - Right. - And- - This is like some Indian reservation shit. That's how a lot of like Native Americans live. - So by the time I was about 16, they finally called up to me one day. They were waiting, they found out where I was staying at. So they were waiting for me in the yard. I seen there was an old Spanish man there in the yard. And I didn't think nothing of it, 'cause he was wearing regular clothes and a regular car. And he goes, "Hey, are you Jacob?" And I looked at him, I said, "Who are you?" He goes, "Oh, I'm with Department of Children and Families. We've been looking for you." And I said, "Been looking for me for what?" "Oh, we want to tell you that your brother's in the heart, or it's called the Heart of Florida, the youth ranch." "Boys' ranch. And we want to take you into foster care." 'Cause I was under 18. And I was like, the only way, so I even negotiated that deal in a yard. I said, "Hey, the only way you could take me is if you put me in the same house as my brother." And he goes, "Okay, we can make that happen." I said, "Look, when I go to this foster house and he's not there, you know what's gonna happen, right? I'm gonna leave." And he goes, "No, no, no, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it." And as slow as they, worked, they finally was able to transfer him to the house where I was at in about a week or two. 'Cause I was calling him every day. I said, "Hey, where's he at? Where's he at?" "No." And he was explaining to me the process. You got to do the paperwork or transfer and all that stuff. So when he finally came over that to the foster, to where I was at, that's when I felt a little better, or a lot better now that I was with my brother. I felt like things are looking better now. That we'll get to, mom stuff later and all that good stuff. But right now, little by little, and at that point I was selling pounds out of the foster house wow yeah i was i had my window i had my window at night because we couldn't leave that we couldn't go outside after eight we weren't allowed to go outside and when you open the door they had like they make a noise like an alarm like a store like a gas station so she would know if someone opened the door to sneak out so i use my window i say hey just come to my window and tap on it and come to my window and then i will serve through my window like that yeah it's like a drive-through walk-through walk-through for sure okay so you you were successful at it like did you have a good weed plug like how did the weed operation grow uh like how did you network and shit hanging out with mexicans um i knew uh i knew some kids that had uh access to it you know we're all the same age you know 15 14 years old 16 it was normal for like 14 year old kids to come up with 10 pounds wow if you're mexican fucking yeah because and they're all getting it from their uncles right who are bringing it in by the bricks yeah it's all that fucking you know how they peel layers a brick weed so it's kind of trash yeah the best shit back then was like they call it popcorn right arizona whatever this is like 2001 2002 right okay so you're you're selling weed out of the foster home but and you do pretty well yeah like you i think the one video i watched said you were making like eight thousand dollars a month yeah that's a huge i never made eight grand a month selling weed until i like blew up you know what i mean so did you did you learn about saving i mean that's for a kid that didn't have any shoes no no yeah that's like life-changing money yeah no at that time just because like i wasn't it wasn't it was a lot of money of course to me at that time i was like 17 however it wasn't i couldn't save because there was so much that needed to be bought like i was that's when i started catching up on getting my my outfits my getting my back to school and then i had my little brother in there and i had to worry about him too because how crazy is that your bigger brother looks good but then you look like shit you know because the foster care they give you uh i won't say a snippet they give you when school starts they give you 250 bucks to go school shopping and you're gonna buy a pair of shoes and two outfits three outfits man that's gonna last you the entire year that's all year bro and you get and you get 12 bucks a month for allowance and that's all you're getting bro and that and that right there i could not take so that's why i just continued because i didn't want to sell i didn't want to sell weed especially in a foster foster care because it's like damn like the state is just you know what i mean so i'm like it i i gotta do it but i want to go like little by little and it just started growing because i started off with quarter pounds and a half pounds and then i just went to like getting 10 pound bags and but it was all you know like a black garbage bag how you imagine it and it was in a closet and it wasn't loud because it's mexican brick weed man it doesn't smell bro and you can keep 10 pounds in your closet and not even know you got it it doesn't get you high it just gives you allergies yeah it's like grass yeah you're chasing the high because you're like man smoke another one man what did a pound of mexican weed go for like what did what did you get it for uh i got it for about five six hundred bucks but i would sell it well if i had to sell the whole pound which i never really did at that time it would go for like 8 8 50 depending i'm surprised you never met any bigger coke plugs that way like was your plug a mexican yeah yeah yeah yeah he like the guy that's my father figured to me he is mexican doesn't speak any english nothing like that you know so that's why i was able to be that's why he wanted me as a driver but there was i didn't have that in my head to be like oh i want to i want to grow and expand that wasn't going to be my life it was just right now you know this is what's this is what's paying the bills you can say right now this is temporary you know it's like someone working at mcdonald's you're not going to end up in mcdonald's your whole life it's a stepping stone so i looked at it as a stepping stone was it a right one probably not but it was a stepping stone for me at what i had with little resources that i had at that time and it was the only way i can get money so once i was able to get that with him like he was giving me the the the weed which i didn't know at the time until i stopped getting the weed i found out it was him the whole time giving me the weed your father figured yeah but he wasn't but he didn't know it was coming to me until after i became a driver for him and then he told me like oh because there was this one time where i had a buddy of mine in high school where he said oh i got a friend from tampa he's coming in but he's looking for about 20 pounds whatever can you get it and i was like i could check so i asked i asked the the kids who who were giving it to me and sure enough i got the 20 pounds and i left i went over there to him i dropped it off i said i'll be back in an hour and let his let his uh friends check it out and they didn't want it they i guess it was trash but it was something missing it was about i want to say maybe close to a quarter pound that was missing and i'm thinking like but i didn't know that once i gave it back because i trusted them i'm like oh you know we're cool you know i don't gotta so i gave it back to i gave it back to the to the people i got her from and they didn't make a they didn't make a deal out of it until like a few weeks later is when i finally met the guy who i ended up become a driver for and then he it was like an inside joke he would make fun of me with that he's like oh man you can't you can't sell no you can't sell no drugs because you brought it back and it was short and it's not how you gonna do that man this is not anybody anybody else would uh would uh would i hurt you or something so tell us who for people who don't know your story your father figure that you're referring to who is that his name not his name but how was he significant to you oh man in many ways man uh and how did you meet him so you met him actually because it was his bud that you were selling yeah eventually when i finally met him i was when i was at foster care i was introduced to him uh basically because he was looking for a driver and then once once i turned um i think i was turning 18 like right around that time and at 18 you can leave the foster home so while i was gonna leave that foster home i was telling him hey man i think you know uh they're gonna kick me out or i gotta find a place and then he's like well you can stay with me so then once i started staying with him and i watched how the way he was treating me it was out of love it wasn't like i want something out of it because i wasn't doing nothing for him yeah and he wasn't giving you drugs no no no no i didn't even know i didn't even know about the whole coke and all that stuff accounting the money i know nothing about nothing all i know was i here's this man who dressed nice you know to the nines and he's he i've never seen a mexican like that i've never seen a mexican who's just like very clean cut and just very who knows about culture right you know and i'm sitting i'm blown away i'm like my whole life i'm hung around with these lawnmowers lawnmowers you know what i mean horse trainers horse trainers and you know jockeys and but and then here comes a long guy who doesn't get dirty but got money and i'm how the did he have a nice house in mexico yeah oh because he had a house in mexico yeah and in ocala yeah well we're renting here okay we're renting in in ocala but hmm and can i ask you this of course i don't want too many details about him but he was working with the beltran labor organization was he from sinaloa himself no he wasn't from there okay yeah because a lot of those guys you know they again when you talk about narcos real narcos are like your father figure well-dressed yeah they look like country club guys there you go you know i got a membership club exactly when you go to jalisco and you go to mexico city the real guys move and work don't look like it don't look like it at all they look like they own companies and they do own companies they own legit companies and and i want to say like you know how you can brush off you can rub off on people and i want to say i gravitated towards that lifestyle like you have like mexicans who or anybody you have uh people who like to get dirty for money and people who like to be clean to get money and uh i mean yes i'm okay with getting dirty however if i don't have to why so i found another route another avenue and i just gravitated towards it without even knowing like subconsciously i just went towards that i was like that's what i want you know ever since i was i was a kid i've always wanted a nice life without you know working like i sort of say like not having a nine to five and paycheck to paycheck and you don't want to live grimy i didn't want to live like that so when when after after living in in the house with them for a few months seeing the way he treated me how he would hide stuff i don't want me involved and stuff you know i look at it i like damn man that's that's crazy because you know typically what from my experience growing up it's always been people's out to get them for themselves you know which is the real world and i've always been standoffish like okay like basically like what like what's in it for me like why do you why are you coming to me for this so when he came to me to be a driver for him i i kind of thought that there was some more to it like you know like we're eventually going to be doing something crazy right but it never went there i forced it on him i was like no i'm doing i'm doing i'm doing it right he was paying you like and he was paying for my college yeah he's the one that sent me to school he told me to go to school i turned i turned it down because i barely graduated high school barely i hated school and he was like oh you should go to college and you know do this don't do what i'm doing don't be like me and i'm don't be like you look at you right what like you're like now i know you're blowing smoke so like now you're you're hiding something good yeah so once i went to once once i went to school and i never liked school so you were like his personal driver like frank lucas was the driver for bumpy johnson yeah oh yeah there you go i didn't even think about that it's like a heroin kingpin he was just driving for this connected guy yeah so you just figured he was a wealthy guy probably into some dirt of course yeah um later on you found out that he was actually bringing in a bunch of weed and you inadvertently got put on with a pack yeah yeah how long after you started working for him on the drug side did you did you find out about that it was i want to say about a month maybe a month or two months after yeah because that was if it was a one-time deal when i asked for that you know because before i was just like 10 pounds and when someone it was 10 pounds but i would i would break it up yeah you know i wouldn't i wouldn't sell it in all one one uh one one load and the one time that i had someone to buy 20 pounds it didn't go as planned i ended they ended up taking a little bit out of it and i looked fucking crazy going back to to send the bag and it's like oh fuck man they're gonna come kill me over a quarter pound and that was back then when when the mexican weed was still selling and usually big coke connects big mexican coke connects also had a bunch of weed yes they went together you know and then when the meth came in that became a whole separate thing like if you sold meth that was just usually from what i've known and the mexicans that i've dealt with that was a whole separate you didn't mix something as shitty as weed with something as dangerous as selling crystal meth yeah weed and coke kind of go together right yeah weed and coke kind of go hand in the hand just like how i started like i like anybody else started they say it's a gateway drug but gateway drug to selling drugs not using drugs in my experience so like yeah i started off as selling weed you know i got the gist i got the idea of how this world kind of works and then the as soon as the drugs get stronger everything else comes more serious and it gets more serious as you go up so the coke became is a whole other level than weed weed is like you know you get a whole bunch of weed it takes up a lot of space you get a little bit of money coke takes up a little bit of space cost way more money and it kind of makes more sense to just stay with the coke and because i i try to get weed out of him because don't get me wrong i had i had friends that were like hey man can you get me i had friends on the side that i wasn't serving coke but they knew i was but they couldn't take the key or two keys i couldn't break a key down i wasn't that way what the they go he's gonna look at me like i'm stupid like what get the out of here right because he never touched his keys he would just get them and then yeah yeah it's off it's never never broke up they were sold before they even came yeah yeah so when when i'd run into my buddies you know in the stores whatever and they would say hey man i need you know i need 100 pounds and 100 pounds is a nice size deal but if it's not if it's not a ton or better crossing that border they're not even going to entertain it right it's not even worth it yeah so and i didn't know he wasn't entertaining it and i didn't know anybody else and i was not going to break or fix something that's not broken so it's like i'm not even going to stretch myself too thin and into that well it's ironic because you actually never ended up selling coke you could have sold a ton of coke yeah you could you could have made your own customers yeah you know you had the plug yeah you worked for the plug yeah you were lived with the plug yeah um but you just decided to it just worked out that you just ran you basically became the general manager of like his united states operation yeah that's one way to look at it that's how i see it yeah basically it's just pure logistics down to hiring drivers collecting money uh figuring out what vehicles had traps in them all the things you need to know in order to move the that's in the background that's what you need to know in order to move it so i looked at it like okay if you're selling the drugs you're having all the responsibility because you have your name on it you got to go to joe schmo to get the product and if nothing something happens it's nobody else's fault but yours they're going to answer they're going to want you to answer to that you got to pay that debt so as someone in my position it was almost in a way like i was the best of both worlds i was in the game but i didn't have the liability of something was to go wrong you know because i mean what could go wrong the guy doesn't want to go drive yeah like okay but the stuff's still here or the stuff's still there you know there's nothing missing and you don't have your money invested either i don't have nothing invested i just have my i just have my time yeah it's my time yeah today's episode is sponsored by nordvpn i am in the habit now since i've been sponsored by nord of using their vpn on all my devices my tv my computer and my phone but nord does something even more than just provide a vpn they've evolved nordvpn is the company that started one of the world's leading vpns and has grown into an all-in-one digital security app it combines a fast reliable vpn with a next-generation antivirus that helps stop threats 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protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just twenty dollars at bjs.com mesquite and save ten cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save going going to when i finally found out that he was selling dope and i had to count money and everything how it evolved from there was just basically you know once i seen where the money was going why and then what was coming what what was it for and like okay like what the is going on here like okay i want to i want to go over there because i mean i could go to school but i'm not getting paid i'm not i'm not i'm not seeing these loads of cash you know i gotta i gotta sit here watch this cash move back and forth and then go to school like what the like i i didn't click it didn't click to me it's like man what am i doing with myself like what am i doing with my life how much cash would you would you be looking at oh man anywhere from like the least amount of cash like a hundred thousand 150 all the way up to about close to a million yeah yeah that was because it was i'll put it to you like this it wasn't enough space to put the money in back to send it in to to the border so you have to send multiple multiple cars multiple drivers we had to send not multiple drivers but we would have we had to take it all out because you couldn't send in 20s because it takes up the space so and if you didn't get all the hundreds if you like we will i wanted to keep the hundreds in the in the 50s not the 20s and the fives and the ones and so in in order to satisfy the space in there you would have to just kind of just give them all the hundreds and the 50s barely any 20s right yeah you had to exchange it or tell your guys hey i'm not accepting 20s make give me more because everyone's trying to up offload i remember i had a a bag full of fives and tens and 20s that's it right yeah everybody's trying to offload the small bills everybody is the stripper money how would you guys would you actually have to go to a bank or to a cash a check cashing place and change over no i would just simply make a request like hey man can you not send fives right can you not send tens and you're working for the plug so his customers are going to satisfy that yeah they know they know because i i would never go by myself it's always be with him because and and and it looks better because you know you got a guy who will speak english you know who's giving you you know you got a plug at your back door you know telling me to tell you something and it's like oh that's right and so you're translating so your boss yeah the plug doesn't speak any any english and so he's bringing you around to these cash collections to translate yeah to translate to collect i learned how to collect money i learned how much things were going for i learned the inside of the business all by translating wow all by translating i didn't ask for it it's just and i see why he wanted me to stay away because i pick up and i just grow i go and i grow and i guess he could see that in me where it was like don't give him too much information because he's going to be very i say uh dangerous with it like you can't give the wrong people the uh the the the right information because what they'll do with it can probably excite you that's what I did I just excited him like I just kept growing more and learning that you don't need all this mess kind of just it was to the point to where he would ask me sometimes like what do you think we should do huh you think we should go today to collect and I was like I don't know man how long has it been you know like we'll sit there have these talks where you know he asked for advice and say you know what should what should we do I'll let you uh take the reins on this one and every now and again he'd give me that responsibility to where I guess he seen that I was doing doing good and I was confident in in what I was doing so how did you guys keep yourself safe or insulated like because you know if one of he's given off 10 keys 20 how to stay under the radar yeah like but also like how do you keep an eye on the people that are distributing for you you know what I mean okay so with with staying under the radar it's it is it is easy so your whole your whole the whole thing is you're trying to avoid eventually getting busted because it's going to happen eventually getting killed because it's possible that's going to happen so like if some people would they sell drugs the first time they get a bag of money they're buying jewelry watches cars they're flashing they don't last that long putting rims on their cars you know doing all this frivolous shit it was a complete opposite the more money you got the poor you look I mean you're not going to look poor with the nice clothes whatever but you're you're you're it was 2006 and I had no it was 2010 and it was I had a 2000 Camry yeah factory no system in it no rims everything was factory you know like that so that was that was a thing where it's just you you you you learn to to to evade shit and not draw attention that's why I never went out and when I I went to bars and everything with like with women and shit but it was never or house parties you know but I was never going to like you would never see me in clubs every weekend none of that if you saw me in a bar it was like once every few months did your boss expect to get caught eventually no I didn't expect to get caught bro it was so fucking smooth listen the operation was as smooth as it get it was so smooth the feds told me to my face that they didn't even hear they didn't even know about us until they popped this guy wow and we were doing it we were doing it I don't want to say big but we were doing it at a level to where you could see it and I was like I don't want to say big but we were doing it at a level to where you can excite the feds with this shit yeah because he was sounds like the biggest distributor in that central Florida area I want to say I want to say I want to say at one point it was probably up there or probably probably more because I mean we had you know I've got a lot of shit on lock a lot of shit like a lot of people were getting dope from anywhere else but from the guy we were getting it from eventually you can tell how many people did he have how many people was customers uh you would think that okay the more customers the more money right but it's the complete opposite you only need one maybe two only if the one can do it but there's always but there was a time where there was one doing everything and he was doing everything and there was the less people you have involved the the the more time you you have to do it so you you're not gonna sit there and uh like if you haven't oh I got a little bit of drugs but I'm not gonna sit there and uh like if you have like five people working for me like you know if you've been to a crack house and there's someone at the door uh someone staying there someone cleaning all the time someone cutting you know just you have too much shit going on and too many people know you don't then someone's gonna get they're gonna get offended and they're gonna fucking hate so it got to a point where he only had one customer yeah one customer and he looks like the man because he has all the keys so the feds look at him you know rather than the real guy the Mexican yeah it was that that's how it worked so it got to a point where you're responsible for overseeing the keys that are coming in yeah I had to okay I had to so it was it was getting to the point to where um we were almost sharing the same role like but it but the only thing different was like my name wasn't on it like my name wasn't on that merchandise but it was it was getting to a point to where we were sharing the same role because whenever something happened I knew before it was was something happened I didn't know I didn't need to know the information was being uh held but towards you know around that time when I was growing it was okay I got a I got a thing he would let me I've got a thing coming in this is what we're going to do call what's his name ask him how many he needs it'll be here tomorrow like and there's like I'm sitting here like what the fuck like like I'm basically doing your job but in English yeah you know what I mean like that's it like it just it organically went into that I didn't it wasn't like okay today you're gonna promotion it was none of that shit it was just you're literally the VP you're like the vice president yeah man the CEO the CFO I'm fucking just like just trying to trying to manage everything but in English so you you had nothing to do with the keys actually getting smuggled in that's the cartel's job yeah that's their job as soon as it lands that's our job we take it from there okay so tell us about how that works what was the main route coming in so the main route I can't remember oh uh it was it was south it was in the border of Texas I want to say somewhere around like McAllen there you go somewhere like uh I think it's McAllen and where as soon as it as soon as it lands all you have as soon as it lands it's all on you now there is no because they're going to communicate hey um all right it's it's what do you actually get that call your second drive no he would okay he would get those calls but then he would tell me to go tell this guy to go do all this so I would say okay he would tell me oh this it touched down so I gotta go send a driver to go pick it up and we would know we would know around the same day when it was touching down so it's okay it's supposed to come tomorrow get this guy ready tell him don't do nothing tomorrow he's got to go down there to to pick it up and then that would be that would be the route that he would go and it would be that um I want to say I-35 yeah does that go through there to San Antonio don't to Houston I think I-35 goes through Houston it goes and then it comes it comes down here like this is the 35 in Austin and then that goes all the way down to San Antonio and then up you know back East Southeast to Houston yeah so that was that was a route and then hit 910 and that was it the only thing you had to worry about when in Texas was the checkpoints and the weather because there's sometimes it gets so windy down there in South Texas that your car will go like this and I had a few times where the driver was flipping out on me he was freaking he was with the car loaded yeah and you can hear the wind when he's calling you with the windows up you would hear the whistle wow and I'm sitting there like I don't know what to tell you bro just keep going but that's the best time to move right is when the weather's awful yeah the best time to try to get through the checkpoints so the best time the other I mean the best time to get to a checkpoint is when the shift changes yeah talk about that so when the shift changes the reason why you want to do that is because when the shift when the shift changes the guy or the woman the person hasn't been pissed off yet you know what I mean so you got you got them they're fresh man you got them fresh so once you find that out the shift change is when you get to the point where you're like okay I'm gonna do this then you try to make your you make your way okay you gotta go start heading up here and you start going up there and it would get he would get away man for months months right every other week every two weeks he was going down and up down and up down enough okay so explain that why why as their shift goes on do they get pissed off and then what why is that bad for your driver if he's trying to get through with a load the reason why they probably get pissed off is from people like us trying to get away from them or when they get pulled over they get a disgruntled driver and then they get pissed off and they find things and then it's just people are lying it's lying and then they they got to go do extra work because you know it's hard it's hot they gotta they gotta break it down in the garage with no ac and shit like that so you know they want to have a smooth right so if you catch a driver if you catch a checkpoint guard when they're pissed off they're more likely to say to be dicks to push it to send your car to secondary yeah not even that but let's say like they're you're going to a person that's pissed off he might he might just be a dick and just say hey you know uh ask you a thousand questions that you don't need to instead of just saying you know driver's license and insurance okay you're good right now you got a guy saying well how long you been down here what you're down here for you know asking all these questions like oh bro here we go yeah and then you see a you know you're when you see another car coming so yeah okay so um and you had eyes on the border guards like that I didn't have eyes on the on the border it would I would just I would get it from uh the driver from going down there he would tell me he would he would I would ask him I was like hey you know let me know you know if you see the same guy twice you know I don't because I would I wouldn't want you to go down the same uh same interstate you know back to back you were just down there two weeks ago so just go like because there was two two I guess uh two back roads it was a main road and then uh a road that had the two checkpoints and that's how I guess from bouncing back and forth that guy on the two checkpoints was finally like oh I remember you from two weeks let me pull you over for some for some questioning okay so you send your driver down there who packs the car are you down there supervising yeah so so when it comes to like loading up the truck I don't have anything to do with that as far as putting my hands on it or being down there I don't need to be present because the people that's down there are already knowing what's going on they're waiting for the driver to get there they know the color of the car what it looks like and where's he staying because they're the ones that pay for the room i see they get the room for him you're in this room they meet them they all they all meet they hand the keys over he take they take it it could be going across the border and back or it could go down the street we don't know that so when they go load it up and it may take a day or two to load up depending on what's going on because when i send him down there he's going down there for three days i'll say look we're going to make a few days down this you know take your time i always told him take your time there's no rush you know we don't need you to get fucked up whatever if because he had he had like uh health issues too there was some there was times where he um back then it was a epidemic with the oxys so with the oxys that was the only thing that would help him because he had bad arthritis in his hands his hands will stay like this without even trying so you can't drive like that so you gotta get any of your hands like this and you can go like this he says the only thing that'll work because i tried giving him coke i tried giving everything he says roxies were the only things that made him feel no pain wow and you know he's like i'm gonna give him a shot of coke and he's like i'm gonna give him a shot of coke and he's like i'm gonna give him a shot of coke and he's like i'm gonna give him a shot of coke it was like okay so the packing of the cars that's all on that's all on them man yeah because they're the experts they're the ones who are doing this all the time yeah so and what kind of cars and trucks would you send down there uh it would have to be everything's factory it would have to be um there was no specific kind of car it was just are you okay with us installing traps in your car so we're not getting a rental car we're not giving you a car we have we don't they don't have a car that you can use it's you're gonna turn your personal car into a trap car wow yeah are you okay with that and if you're doing a job already and you know how much money you're gonna get nine times out of ten you're gonna say yeah if you're getting a thousand for each one you're bringing back and you're bringing back 20 20k you could do whatever the fuck you want to my truck right okay so i got say i got a 2016 toyota corolla how many how many keys can you fit in there shit i mean there's life this could be it can go as far as you want to because he had he had a he had a key out of tacoma and a tacoma is is very it's almost like a car but it has a bed right so at first it was the ac the ac could fit 10 so it was 10 and then in the back seats you build another one for 20 more so then it was going to 30 and then but that was over time and then they were like oh we know we should do this because i mean they even thought about putting installing those gas tanks in the back you know with the with the handles they thought about doing that oh what can we do what can we do with this and this i mean it could have went as far as you wanted to would do you guys ever send like trailers no no no trailers like horse trailers or anything like that oh yeah horse trailers but um it would be it would be like it was only a couple times it was never it wasn't consistent it was just oh like an emergency i needed to send a horse trailer so you can get a lot in there yeah because i mean you're in ocala and horses everybody in florida knows horses come out of ocala so if you have the ocala sticker on the phone number of the business then you can you can use them for a few times to to to uh maneuver okay so and you'd always try to build a backstory for your drivers right so who should tell us who your main driver was this is fascinating this is they actually made a movie about this unknowingly based off of this situation have you ever seen the mule no with clint eastwood i heard about it he's like he's an 85 year old man who's driving fucking major work yeah for the cartels so oh i think i've seen some uh i think i've seen a trailer on that so i don't know if that was about him but i mean this is the real life version of it though yeah it probably is because he was up there in that age he's like he was every bit of 70 something years old no he was he was old bro from ocala yeah bro how did you meet him uh through the the guy we had at the stash house and he's the one i he's the one to introduce us to the customers that we to the customer and they had that driver they were working with them before okay so they were they were doing their thing and then now they needed a plug so they transfer all their guys over to us so that's how i met the driver the customer and oh so he had been doing this yeah yeah they've been yeah they was like a professional yeah yeah yeah this is nothing new to him wow yeah he just didn't have any traps i see yeah so he got that truck as uh his payment towards the end when everything was done when he was working for the other guys so they bought him a brand new they gave him a bag of cash and said go buy your go buy whatever truck you want so he bought that and that's the truck we ended up using to to continue doing what he was already doing so what would what would be like the story what is he doing he's an old man he wasn't doing nothing when what would he tell the you know if he got pulled over what what is his what is his thing why am i driving from south texas looking for land for hunting i'm looking at that's why they always bring his dog with him he had a labrador it always bring a lab with him he's a hunter he's a hunters and he has the hunting boxes in the back with the wild dogs and he has a he has a cage in the bed he has confederate flags and stickers and he's every he's full blown bro he's all in that and it's nothing to cover that's who he really is right so he's full like he's out in the state old boy he's out in the sticks yeah redneck you go to his house you don't have a phone signal he just buries all that cash he makes yeah oh man he keeps it like that he probably keeps like that so when when he got uh when he got when he got popped with having those those uh traps in there that was the last time i've ever talked spoken to him okay so you don't know if he ever i don't know if he's alive i don't know to me to my experience to my knowledge he's never done a day in jail that's the best place to be in the drug game dude i've never i've because once he called me and that happened i ended up breaking my phone and that was the last time the only reason the only way they they tied me with him was because they found his phone number and or they found his i had his name social and birthday in my wallet okay that's how they fast how they put it together did you have anybody else driving no just him wow yeah he was amazing so he was the driver for your whole organization yeah he was taking he was taking care of all the loads did he drive cash back too sometimes he would take he would take cash back uh on some occasions because a lot of times they have their guys that that would pick up the cash right but it was for it was like a short little amount of time where well since he's already coming down here why don't you just send him back with the cash so we ain't got to send no guy up there so that's what he was doing and then we would pay him every now and again we wouldn't sometimes we wouldn't tell him that there was cash in there because man it was you don't want to pay him there's a lot of money bro okay so what was what's the fee the future for for bringing work it's about a thousand a kilo yeah it's about it's about a thousand for everyone it's nine hundred to a thousand for everyone you bring back and then for the money you're transporting i want to say it's like five five thousand a kilo yeah five percent five percent uh of whatever you're bringing the cash right to to deliver and that could be as much as five hundred thousand dollars it could be it could be anywhere from yeah 250 and up because it's not gonna you're not gonna send no money down there unless it's a lot of money you gotta send real money down there so yeah so yeah if you send them now with a million bucks yeah you don't want to pay him 50 grand you maybe just pack it yeah without letting them know yeah that's wild yeah and your fee so tell us so you're you were also getting a thousand a kilo for for overseeing this yeah so what i was doing eventually i wasn't but at the beginning i wasn't getting paid for that because i wasn't really i guess hands-on in a lot of things but eventually i was getting about a thousand sometimes two thousand depending on how everything worked but a thousand for sure off each one that that was coming but i wouldn't get paid every trip i would just get paid i'd want to get paid at the end of our run when the load's sold off when everything's done like when we're done when we're going back to mexico okay yeah when we're done working in the united states so you guys would bring it the keys would come back to ocala yeah and you had different stash houses how did that work did you guys wait for the whole load that you guys were picking up from the cartel would you wait until it was all back in ocala before you started giving it out to your buyers or would you just hit them off as it came in uh so what are you saying yeah would you wait like what was an average how much coke were you guys getting at a time so from from mexico so at this at this point when i uh pop was 20 20 a week so when you get to 20 you you'd sell uh you know whatever they need oh get e5 today so but it'll be only one person and then you go see him in two days get the money and then you're like oh that's a lot of money i'm gonna have to pay and swap another give another five and you'll do that every time until the 20 was gone and then now it's cash back yeah but that would but to not to not stop the flow like say when you're running low like say for example if you got like five left and you've already made your money to pay the 20. so you would send that money back to get the 20 some more 20 coming in because if you leave them hanging leave your customer hanging it's gonna it's like a chain reaction it up everything it'll slow everybody down and then everybody gonna be looking somewhere else and that's how they get hot it's a supply chain it's exactly like any other no one holds loyalty to you they hold loyalty to that price right and that quality that you give them and the convenience that oh you know i can always count on you you can always be there and then there's no headaches there's no bullshit you know none of that and you you guys had the best price and quality in the area absolutely the best price and best quality hands down and i've heard that from the customer he was doing it for ever how much what were you guys you see you don't know what you were actually paying for the money you were paying for the money the keys but how much were you selling them to your guy for 27.5 oh 27.5 sometimes not 29.5 because throughout throughout the seven eight months dealing with this one person the price jumped 2 000 already so it went from 20 27.5 to 28 to 29.5 and then finally ended there but there was this one time where they owed money for they wanted to uh break up a key and guess make crack with it whatever and they fucked it up they fucked the whole key up and that money right there was in the air like um so you guys were bringing back 20 kilos a week you didn't bring it back in bulk you didn't bring back like 200 at a time or something like that no it was wasn't your that wasn't your game no in the beginning it was 50 it was 50 50 a week 50 every other week but towards towards like as years gone by it was just a lot of things has changed you know it's it's it's it's it's a lot of things that's changed where it's just they're not dealing with you no more or not just you anymore now because they've grown too your your distributors yeah your suppliers yeah they've grown too so before it was just you you know you were getting you know the majority of it now it's like you're barely you gotta it's like pulling teeth you're like man come on you know sometimes it'd be 10 you know or 20 but it was just whatever you can get at that time oh so the coke slowed down it did slow down it slowed down so the problem wasn't because now the problem is getting rid of it because there's so much supply but back in 2008 2009 2010 yeah you couldn't get enough of it yeah because the price so the price was going up i guess because there wasn't enough the uh busts were happening happening by by the tons and so it would you know people had to get satisfied elsewhere oh can you do me a favor i i'm dry over here can you so they all work together to give each other favors and so just you gotta i guess you're on a bottom of the totem pole in their eyes and they just not they're not gonna give you like that seniority even though you've been having a 10-year relationship with them and nothing there's ever been a headache or so your boss wasn't a very big fish compared to other distributors i don't know i really i really don't know about i mean when you tell somebody you're getting 50 at a time that's a pretty big fish it's enough yeah but look if there are but there's there's there are people with 200 100 but they're sitting on it and they're selling five at a time right just because you get 200 it doesn't mean you can sell 200 at one time you know you you're gonna always sell your fives or tens you know you're gonna you don't want to give you know 20 to one guy but like even though you can trust them you know where his kid goes to school and everything i i'm not going to give you 20. no i gotta give you kind of protect my myself same thing what they're doing to us and we're doing to you when you're doing to them and yeah that makes sense so it's like only sell what's already sold you don't want to put all your eggs only be sitting on what you is already sold yeah right so it's like 20 i know that's gone in four days here's just five at a time yeah it's smart that makes sense so how and you're just a kid you're like 20 21 years old 22 years old um you're going to mexico did you ever buy property in mexico or did you just go there to just party i uh both i ended up investing in some property but it did a lot of partying as well in the in in i guess you could say my younger years i wasn't thinking about the future as far as now because for one simple reason i it seemed like nothing was going to stop the gravy train nothing was going to stop it i mean the was it was almost perfect it was almost perfect because there's nothing nothing in this world perfect but it was almost perfect nothing was happening you're getting money you have to worry about someone robbing you you ain't got to worry about ripping you what no you have nothing to worry about the driver isn't going to take off on you the everybody was on the same everybody was good so i didn't have to worry about is ever going to stop i i could choose when to stop because i wanted to but it didn't work out that way but when i was doing a lot of partying a lot of partying i was around people that i started seeing as i was getting older in my 20s like oh you know i'm gonna they're all settling down and but they're not doing what i'm doing and i did want to eventually settle down i've put it in my head that you know by 30 years old i want to just not do anything anymore uh have kids and a wife and just just go and be you want to have enough money to where you could just yeah just move to mexico and probably just live off the interest yeah i was gonna move to spain i was gonna live in spain for the rest of my life that's the narcos dream that's where all the mexican send their kids i know that they all go to spain yeah yeah i didn't know that that's crazy oh because i had my city picked out and everything and i was gonna stay there for the rest of my life and have uh a european wife spanish wife or french or whatever and just live that uh live that lifestyle and just forget about everything in my past right right did your brothers who were never criminal minded like you did they know the extent to the that you were doing it no so my brothers uh not even my friends knew the extent i was doing they my brothers knew what i was doing they didn't know the extent my friends knew knew or didn't know i guess you could say but they definitely didn't know the extent they just i mean they i never had a job but i always had money i had the most money out of all anybody we hung out with and they never they don't i never had a job i have nice car whatever nice clothes never wore the same clothes twice never wore the same shoes twice and just i there was something going on i'm doing something crazy but there was no one no one ever no one ever questioned me because i was gonna lie they knew i was gonna lie i just it wasn't you could tell when he's like why even bother why even ask you know just everything's going good why you fuck it up you know because i was buying everybody's you know i was throwing whenever we're never throwing like little house parties whatever it'd be like or let's say for example i have a barbecue like maybe like five of us you know i'm buying everything i'm buying all the supplies we need and not even asking for in the back and just i just want everybody to have a good time so no one's gonna fuck that up did you ever have people approach you like trying to like trying to get you to give them product yeah i had a few i had a few friends that tried to and uh one in particular he's just he was just like me you know very persistent very consistent you know very he's like just blowing me up man come on man come on man it was so bad that he was gonna give me the title to his car he had uh and he was like i'm gonna give you the title to his car and i was like oh my god i'm gonna give you the title to his car and he's like man it's worth x amount of money i just need you to give me a half a key and then i'll show you that i can do it isn't that because he was moving he's dead now bless his heart but he's he was moving crazy weed and and he was doing it good there's a white boy just rich kid you could say parents you know live in a nice neighborhood and shit but he just wanted to hit this hit this uh go on the streets and you know he was doing very well i mean doing 50 100 pound bales yeah that was the first time i've seen bales was through him like even one time he when i finally got to uh convincing uh my partner that man let's give this guy a try i mean he's throwing titles he's he's he's throwing collateral you know what i mean he's not asking for a front he's like man just i want to show you they can trust me so i eventually talked and talked them into it and started them off with a half a key and then just like that it was like okay you're not selling weed anymore now you're gonna start selling coke and he he worked out yeah they worked out how much did he end up picking up yeah he was i think we were like night i was like 1920 he was like 1920 he was just doing a key doing a key but he was doing like quarter keys and half half keys but he was just he was he did it for about a i'll say like a couple months and then he was i want to say he was playing both sides because there was one time where he owed me money and i found out why he wasn't paying me and i found out why he wasn't paying me when i needed it but he was paying me but it wasn't like on time so one time i found out why he didn't have the money when i know like man bro if you have no more product like what are you doing so what he was doing was taking the money he got off the coke buying bales of weed still in a weed game selling the weed waiting for the money to come back to go pay me and i didn't like it so one time i said you know what you just gotta i gotta take something so he offered weed and i took weed as a as as as a uh payment one time he gave me 20 pounds 20 30 pounds and it was we're in a garage fucking three white kids and i pull up and he's there's there's a scale a scale i won't say like a fish scale some shit like it's a scale like you weigh big shit on yeah yeah and i and there's fucking three white kids like what the fuck are y'all doing man like even i was even blown away i was like man what the fuck's going on here and then they told us they throw a bell on there and it's weighing pounds i'm sitting there like i'm just seeing like a little scale like you know for coke you can wait you know a little bit a little scale but they were once they broke it all up everything i'm sitting there like man this is the last time because one i'm not getting into the shit y'all got going on because y'all are going to get me tied up with we're not gonna make it a habit you're not gonna be paying me with weed because now i gotta sell the weed yeah you know i'm not gonna be sitting i don't yeah yeah it's so messy after just dealing with clean kilos of coke to go back to fucking with weed so you could go to your boss who's now kind of like your partner and you could you could try to get him to pay me with weed try somebody out yeah yeah i could i could bring it to because it's and i guess i guess you could say that was like my kind of customer deal but i because i wasn't charge of making sure the shit was straight with him because that was my there was like the agreement is like okay if something happens you're responsible for it you know if he doesn't pay you gotta pay if you know if he runs off you gotta go find him you gotta you know do all this shit so that was like the way that was my way of saying so you were making more you were making extra money so you did have your own customers kind of yeah i wouldn't really call it my own customer because i mean it wasn't my stuff you know but it was like i was i didn't i shared the profit with with my partner you know because the price he gave me i didn't i didn't mark it up on on on my friend i didn't mark it up on him because it was the going rate it was the going rate right so by that that was a way of i guess him telling me that we'll just put the profit you know within so many words you know because you could tell someone give it to you you know what shit's going for it and you're like okay i'm gonna give it to you and you're like okay i'm gonna give it to you you know what shit's going for it and you're like okay i'm gonna give it to you and you're like okay and then if somebody gives it to you under that price you get okay now i can mark it up to that and then make that cut and then give him the rest so that was that was my way of saying we'll just share it split the profit yeah was your boss did he ever come to you and say like hey you can you could be my partner like you're literally running his business no man he didn't ever do that man that would have been at that time i probably would have said yeah man i probably would have been like yeah man i'd be good because you know it was things were smooth but i thought it was good that he did it man he probably knew better man is and was he sending his own money back to mexico yeah he must have been right did he have a family yeah no uh like sisters and brothers no kids no wow no probably back there he might have had in mexico who knows right like i don't even know if i have kids and you would go party with him in mexico sometimes yeah wow would he introduce you to bosses back there hank joined bj's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30 i coach football now coach hank saves up to 25 off grocery store prices 30 pounds of pasta three cases of protein bars 75 sports drinks and that's just pre-game he knows teamwork and bj's knows savings this is your home coach home of the save join for just 20 at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon limited time offer new members only bj's home of the save without like a formal introduction no but were you were we around people that you could tell that word yeah because you're talking about being at nightclubs in acapulco with fucking you know guys with uzis and shit walking around yeah so that was that was a thing because like because that's like i was saying i was like okay you know you're around somebody because i remember very vividly that there was one one night i was in the nightclub that i frequent religiously in acapulco there was this guy with you know four or five suburbans you know and all right so far and then you like you can tell like okay man this ain't just anybody yeah so like okay and then he had those guys come out with the strap with the with the with the machine guns and shit coming out wide open getting the vi getting a red carpet from the owner while you have these guns but they have them in uh these i guess man purses right they'll put them in his man purses and but when they get into the club they would have they would open it up and then they have it like in the club like it was part of your fucking outfit so they'd be walking around openly with a fucking yeah they just they just stay in there because there'd be like four or five six of them spread out throughout the club and they're just sitting there like this the whole time for hours bro and what what really tripped me out was when i went to the bathroom one time while i was there with them i went to the bathroom and i think i was going to throw up or some shit yeah for real i was going to throw up probably and i'll go to the bathroom i go to throw up and i come out of the stall and guess who i see two guys with that but they weren't looking at me one guy was playing stupid washing his hands for about 17 minutes right because i'm sitting there and i was testing them i was like you know what i said i don't because i thought okay it's it must be a coincidence they're here too right they gotta go to the bathroom right negative that's why i said they got one guy he because i was in there when i got to the bathroom stall i went to the pisser to the urinal and i faked piss for about 10 minutes and they were still in there they're just clocking you just making sure that they were protecting me they were they were they were protecting me so your boss had security already arranged when you guys would go down not mine it was the guy it was the people that we were with oh okay so like they were they had they they had their deal going around whatever they were doing but because we were all together i guess it was the responsibility of you protect everybody who's at the table with us so when when i went when i came out of the bathroom stall i was like man it must be a coincidence that that they're here so let me let me see if they're for for me or not and that's how i found out by fake pissing and then once once i left i said let me do something else i said because i still don't believe it i didn't want to do anything i didn't want to do anything i didn't want to do anything i didn't want to believe it so you know what i did i went outside the club i walked out and there's a hot dog cart a hot dog stand out there i went to get a hot dog and guess who followed me those two guys so i started i started tripping out i was like all right so i went in and i went to a partner i said why are those guys following me and he told me he's like oh they're protecting you they're making sure you're safe so you had a whole security brigade with you basically yeah that was the wildest that's funny that was the wildest i don't think mexico's like that they can't operate that openly i mean i look i haven't been to acapulco but you know in places like tj oh yeah mexico city they they used to do that they can't do that anymore yeah mexico city is nice i don't i didn't do too much even in jalisco you don't see that yeah like uh it's just after it was so violent in that era that they can't mexico can't allow it like because you know in mexico it's all about appearances right everybody's lying uh it's just there's too international they can't allow the tourism is gonna get scared and it's gonna it's now the state has to get involved to to satisfy the government right because the money they depend on that money for the yeah for their uh infrastructure and whatever the hell they got going on yeah so yeah it is true when when when you say that that they even acapulco was like that because but acapulco was so wide open like because there would be the tourists stopped coming there the only people that would come would be people on you know those uh cruises right those are the only tourists that were coming or people from mexico city like other mexicans were coming to to vacation right but no at the height it was like the most violent one of the most violent plazas yeah it was it was the bloodiest like i remember i remember one time i seen a head come rolling in in the club wait what yeah in the club yeah so somebody on a whole other night i was in there was there was a one moment well i thought i heard screaming because i'm sitting there we're bullshitting whatever whatever i heard i was screaming towards the entrance behind us and it kept getting closer and closer and closer so i'm like what the fuck so i look back and i see people just running different ways and then i go to look over there it's over there at the bar and there's a fucking head in the middle of the floor and everybody's in the other fucking side of the club just dancing not even don't even don't even know it because unless you go over there you won't know wow like if i would have never looked back just because of like my instinct like what the fuck's going on because i heard a bunch of girls screaming i thought it was like drunk girls you know that's what i sound like but i just just so happen to look and i see people fucking scrambling and then i go back there and there's a head so somebody was sending a message yeah yeah and i still i would still go back to that club the next day yeah i would listen you couldn't kill me to not go there yeah there was a point in time where on the radio stations in acapulco they would announce that no one go outside after nine o'clock at night if you had a red black or white car because those were like uh that's how they could tell like who's who the opposition yeah so and me being me i had a black i had a black car and i didn't give a fuck i will go out by myself and i'll go to the club and the cartels will put those messages on the radio that's how much power they have for the public to listen don't go out and the streets would be dead because like if you go out you might get shot at your car might get yeah yeah and i don't know how i made it bro like i almost have like how you say uh uh ancestors or like a gift like protecting you whatever yeah protecting me i never had i never had a scratch or anything no incident to where i had guns pointing at me or what the fuck are you driving nothing and your boss neither it doesn't sound like right no he wouldn't go out he would tell me to go out he goes don't go out but i'd have i'd have these i'd have these friends that that were just like me sometimes he wouldn't let me drive so i was like man fuck that i'm going out and i called my buddy and he pulled up in a bmw and we're off we're off to the races man for three days i won't even fucking make it back home i'm out there partying doing and you got unlimited fucking money basically oh yeah you don't even look at the price tags anymore man you just you if you like it take it i had a i had a monthly budget of 30 000 a month that's what you could just spend in mexico yeah i was buying bullshit i'll party every single day except on on a monday i think a monday i gave myself a break because sundays were badass oh for real yeah fuck yeah every day was a fucking Friday there with money fuck it It could be your birthday if you want it. Right. And it's funny, when you go back to Ocala and you're balling, you've got to be fucking— No, you've got to— You've got to show less. I hate it. And that's where it would come up to where I need to get the fuck out of here. And that's why I would frequent Mexico a lot. I would just keep going back for—even if it was for a weekend, I just had to go back. And I would go there for the weekend just to—because it was killing me to just—to not enjoy. Like, how do you go from that for six months, seven months straight of just being wide open, and now you've got to come over here and it's like you've got to condition yourself or unlearn the shit you— The habits. Yeah, you've got to unlearn that. And it was just—it was killing me to where it's like, I need my fix. Yeah. Can you—I kind of feel that way, too, about Mexico and podcasting. Can you run the business remotely? Like, would you actually be down there talking to people in Ocala? Yeah. Yeah, you—because, okay, so this was back in the Nextel era. The beep beep. Yeah. So it was super easy. There was no get on a phone call. Everything was radio. So you can radio for free. So I can get on the radio and do my, you know, hey, what's up? You know, hey, I've got to translate. It would only be—it wouldn't be often. It would just be whenever something technical or needed to be done. Like, I can remember maybe five different scenarios out of the years that I had to actually go to the side, go to a quiet room. And say, hey, you know, what the fuck's going on? You know, it would always be with the driver or collecting money, stuff like that. You know, hey, get on a phone and, you know, tell them what the fuck I'm saying. You know, and then I'll say, you know, hey, this guy's, you know, we're trying to figure out what's going on. And then they'd be like, oh, okay. I thought he was saying this. And they wouldn't call me. I wouldn't get a call until like 30 minutes later of them like, why don't you call me in the beginning? Like, you know, stop calling me when y'all almost fucking about to bump heads. Right. Because they're going back and forth and no one's understanding nothing. So tell us about the crew that you had under you in Ocala running that were basically doing the day-to-day dirty work. Like, you have people obviously living at the stash houses, guarding the stash houses. But who else did you have? Did you have guys like you used to be? No, believe it or not, I didn't bring anybody, nobody that I knew, childhood friends, I think I didn't bring them in. Because then one thing was. No one knew, no one could know where I live. No one could know anything was going on. So if you, if I bring a childhood friend in, you know, he's going to tell this person, that person, that person, you know, it's eventually going to happen. So it's easier to have someone from out of town to know where you live at. Right. Because they don't know anybody in the city and they don't know anybody close by. So who's working for you? Besides the driver, it was the driver and the guy in the stash. Yeah, it was the driver and the guy in the stash. Did you know where the stash was or would you drop it off? No, everything was at their house or a spot we can meet up in like in the woods or something in like a private area. Yeah. Because you don't want to meet up, like a lot of people like to meet up where there's cameras. And I feel like that's, it seems like that's the dumbest shit you can ever do. You know, you have walking cameras and regular cameras. So you want to go somewhere that's private. Plus it's more intimidating for the customer because now it's like, oh, we're in the middle of nowhere. So let's not try to. Let's not try anything stupid. Did you have any enforcers or to anybody that you would send to collect money? There, I would say, yeah, I would say, yeah, I didn't have to use it, but I did threaten once with that. You had somebody that you could. I had to, yeah, I had to, I had to, yeah. It was the time when I got, when I was getting arrested. Right, right. Yeah, that's pretty wild, but you basically only work with a handful of distributors and. And, you know, it's not in their interest to fuck up the plug. No. So it was weird in a way. Like every run that we did, it wasn't the same customer all the time. The customer would change, but it'd always be one, max two. But it's limited to super, like they have to be only one because, you know, the more you spread yourself out too thin. So, but it would, every, it would switch the customer, that customer, you know, it would, it would just switch. And like. Even to the point to where I got arrested, it was even a guy I never even dealt with that was, you know, doing all the work. Who was doing all the work. Oh, so you had way more than one customer. Yeah, but not at the same time. Not at the same time. Okay, so. You get what I'm saying? One person would get the entire load of whatever was coming in. So like this. I see. So like this, like 2007, I do, we do a run. It'd be John Smith. 2008, it'll be Johnny Walker. Or, you know, it's only one dude because sometimes the guy, either he's not doing it anymore or he has, he can't take, he can't take what he used to take. You know what I mean? He's lost, someone's got arrested by that time because we've been, we're gone for almost a year by the time we come back. So a lot of shit's changed. So the same customer that you had back the last time you were in the United States, sometimes he, you know, there's a guy that he knows that was getting it from him. He, that he got arrested or he doesn't do it anymore or, you know, something happens where you got to go find another guy. Why does it take a whole year? That's just how long it takes for the Coke to sell. Like, how, how are you able to be gone six, eight months? No, no, I'm not gone. We're gone. When, when we do a run, like the seven months, eight months, every month packs up and goes. But I'll, and within, towards the end, within those seven months, eight months run, I would go back to Mexico back and forth. I see. So, but in the beginning it was, you know, in the, the run would be like seven, eight months and, you know, everyone would go back at the same time when everything was all said and done. All with just, whenever you have enough money to be like, okay, I'm good for like a while. Interesting. So even when you were getting calls from your people, you're like, nah, we're out. Yeah. There will be some, yeah, there we go. So there will be, there will be times where it's like, Hey man, when you coming back? You know, like, I don't know. And your boss would allow that? He'd be like, yeah, well, we're out. Well, yeah. And was that, was that. And you never told him, we never told him we're done. Right. We would just disappear. That's how you guys stayed. That's really the way to do it, man. That's how you do it. That's the way you do it. You disappear. You hit it really hard and then you disappear. Boom. There we go. So you think that's how your boss was able to stay out of jail? I probably wasn't explaining. I probably wasn't explaining it right. That makes sense. Yeah. Okay. So you basically. It sucked. You basically. Right. Cause you're missing out on all this money. Yeah. But it's discipline though. I feel like it's, I feel like that's a dickhead move, but it's, it's business as person. It's not personal because if I tell you I'm about, this is our last loan, you're going to get ideas. It's dangerous. I might rock you. Oh, there we go. So you're never going to know it's the last load. You'll know it when the phone line don't work. Oh, yo, that's gangster. And then we did it for like every, and they never got mad when we came back. They got even happier. Cause they're like, oh my God, we hit the jackpot. You're back. Like they're almost tears. How would, how would your boss know when it was time? Just instinct. Like we hit this hard enough. Yeah. Because, uh, when you, you kind of want to, you kind of want to identify, like if you're getting too hot or if it's getting too hot, like, okay, you don't want to keep playing with fire. This can't, you can't do it forever. Well, how, of course, take breaks. Of course not. Like somebody, if you're given a guy 20 bricks a week, 20,000 grams of cocaine every week, that's going out to so many people below him. There's so many cops. It's, it's just probability. It's actually going to happen. Yep. So it's inevitable. So it was, it would just be like, okay, we gave this guy like in six months time, how much, how many keys would you give a customer? 300, 500? Yeah. Somewhere around there. And so your, your boss would just say, he would just, it would, it was instinct. I would say once you hit a mill ticket, once you get a million, like that's when you make a close to a million in profit. I mean. Out of one person. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I mean, I can't, I, I've never really sat and counted how much money I made. Cause I made a lot. I mean, I did, I, I got fucking, I did a lot of fucking shit, but it's just like, you can only imagine how much the next person's making. If you're making good, they're gotta be making better. So there's just, you know, they just, I just think is whenever you get to that number, everybody has that number in their head, getting, getting to it or close to it, then you can be like, okay, it's time to cash out. It's time to back it up boys. And let's go. And your boss was the one that made that decision. Yep. Yep. Every time. Yep. Wow. Except, except for, well, go ahead. That's fucking fascinating. Yeah. He would always make the decision and he would, I mean, he would let us know in advance. Of course, it wouldn't be like we do to the customers. You're like, all right, man, I say about next month. Cause it was like my first time when I went to Mexico, um, at the end of the first run is when I went to Mexico for the first time we went together. And, uh, he told me, he's like, okay, I think it was like June. He's like, I need you to get. how to get your birth certificate, your passport, passport, all this stuff, because we're going to go to Mexico. And I'm like, okay, what are we doing? He's like, oh no, we're done. We're done. So in August we would leave. Whenever I got my passport, we'd leave like two weeks later. Did it was your boss, did he have dual citizenship? No, it just came over illegal. So every time he came back to Ocala, he would have to get smuggled across the border? Yeah. That's why I was in Austin. I'll explain that. Okay. Yeah. So that's hilarious. This millionaire would get walked over by, with other dirty legal immigrants. Yeah. That's fucking hilarious. Yeah. So like on, on this last run in 2010, uh, I was in, we were all in Mexico and he goes, go ahead of me and, but wait for me in Austin. And cause it takes, there's no, there's no specific time. Like there's no guarantee like, oh, you'll be there next Tuesday. No, it's we plan on having you by next Tuesday and shit can happen. So, and shit did happen. I ended up staying in Austin for about six months waiting for this guy because shit was happening. Like it was hot at the border. It was hot at the border. Uh, they, they had to sit in the stash house, the stash house longer than expected. No one came to pick them up for a week, like a bunch, like they get treated like shit. So like no one fed it. I remember one time he called me and said that we didn't get fed in two days. And I'm like, and then when he got fed, they got McDonald's or some shit, like little fucking brown bag specials. And I was like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And I'm sitting in and to hear that from him, I'm like, dude, man, I feel so bad, man. I mean, you know, you hate that. He probably hated that shit. He could have just looked at the little stash house operator and be like, do you know how much money I have? Yeah. Do you know who I'm with? Yeah. He really, this guy stands, he sounds kind of Zen. He sounds like he has, he ground to me a lot, bro. He checks his ego. He, he, he, he's definitely the, he's the one I talk to every day to this day. I talked to him and he, did he ever do time? Like he did time with me. Okay. But before like, no, how did he grow into being such a professional? Like how did he learn his trade? Uh, from the story, I believe from a story he told me kind of like in, in a nutshell where he started off small, like most people and working his way up and just learning that, okay, you know, watch out for this, watch out for that. So I remember one time, like, was he drug trafficking in Mexico? No, United States. Okay. He never operated in Mexico. No, only here. Interesting. Yeah. Only here. Interesting. And how did he fall in? Did he, did he have other plugs besides the Beltran Levas? Like, did he deal with other cartels? Not that I know of. Not that I know of. Yeah. But that was, I mean, that was, that was just like a thing, I guess. I guess it's, it's like a culture thing where if, you know, everybody has a plug in Mexico, all you need to do is go to United States and they'll send it to you. You know, if they ain't paid, you know, you know, a lot of times they'd pay for your trip. They'd like, kind of say like, oh, like, uh, say for example, you don't want to go. I don't want to go. I don't think I'm done. Uh, but what if we give you 80,000 or what if we give you a car and a house? What if we pay for your border passing? What if we pay? Cause it's like 10, 20,000 to cross the border. What if we just pay for it? What if we just make financially set you straight? So you don't got to do nothing, but just go. And then you're like, oh, fuck. All right. One more time. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because his plugs, when he would take, you know, when he would call it quits for six months, they were probably like, what the fuck, bro? We were moving. Yeah. No. Was there ever a problem with him getting back in with his connects? Like after you guys went back to. No, that was never a problem. It was, it was more like, uh, we know you don't want, we know you don't want to go back to United States right now, but you want to go later, but we want to send you back now. Like, then we got to talk you on like now. And it's just the next two months, you're just negotiating back and forth. Like, you know, I don't want to go. Hey, look, we'll knock a point off the key. You know, we'll do this for you. We'll do these for you. And you know, shit gets fucking sweeter. But when you get in United States, it ain't exactly what it's supposed to be. Of course. Yeah. It's always, they just slow roll you and all kinds of shit that happens. But, but yeah, that's just, this is running game, man. Wow. That is fucking interesting. And to this day, your boss is, you know, he's never done anything. He's never done anything. He's never done a huge stretch. No, he did 11 and a half. I ended up doing 10 and he's, is he back in Mexico? Yeah. He can't come back. No, not that he could. He could just get smuggled back. I mean, anybody can come if you're paying for it, but now he's, that'd be great content. Yeah. I want to get smuggled across. That'd be great content. If you go interview him, would he, would he sit down with me? Probably. Is he still in the game? No, he's the one he supports me doing this stuff. He's like, man, go do your thing. Yeah. So he really had a long term plan to like, cause you know, he was sending a, ain't no money left in here, bro. He's sending that all. Everything. Every, every dime went over there. Wow. Wow. That's amazing. How long was he in the U S total before he, he caught his case? Hank joined BJ's wholesale club the day he became a father of 30. I coach football. Now coach Hank saves up to 25% off grocery store prices, 30 pounds of food, and a lot of money. I mean, that's a lot of money. I mean, three cases of protein bars, 75 sports drinks, and that's just pregame. He knows teamwork and BJ's knows savings. This is your home coach home of the save joined for just $20 at bjs.com slash mesquite and save 10 cents per gallon for six months open soon. Limited time offer new members only BJ's home of the save. I would say I was with them for seven years. Yeah. Uh, but he was, like me for a few more years. So, but every time was being smuggled, man. How did he, how did he ended up in Ocala? Like why did that family family and then, uh, sell drugs? Like he just found out that that was, he had, he had, he had cousins in Ocala that's already doing it. I gotcha. The same level. Huh? But then, you know, it was like, fuck, I'm, if you can do it, I can do it. Yeah. He did it better and smarter. Yeah. That's I would say, I would say smarter, man. I would say smarter when it comes to just all the details you need. Like, like don't look the part. Don't, don't go out to the Mexican bars because of the EA's are sitting at the table somewhere in that bitch. Yeah. They'll sit there and plot on, they know who's coming in all the Mexicans with gold chains and rims and shit and Silverado's and King ranches. You can't pull up in a big dog and you don't speak English. Yeah. How'd you get your license? How'd you get your truck? Right. So that was a thing. It was just, you know, it was disciplined more, more or less disciplined as much as you want to go into, uh, Oh, we can go one more, one more, one more, you know, that greed will, uh, ultimately get you. And that's what, that's how I got caught with, with, with the greed. Right. Okay. So you actually never drove a load of cocaine and locally, locally, like 10, 20 keys. Yeah. Locally I would, I would drop it off to, to the stash house. I'll go to the stash house with it, with the driver, you know, I'll jump in a truck with them and then he'll take me back. Um, but, but you never ran from the border up to hell. No, no, no. That's not for me. That's not for me, man. I'm not that kind of guy. I mean, I'm a great driver, but I'm not that guy. You did once though, smuggle money back, right? I smuggled my money, like some flash cash. Uh, it wasn't nobody, it was nobody's money, but mine. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, but it, it wasn't out of the Orlando airport with one of my, with the, with the, an ex, a girlfriend that, that I had at the time. Okay. Uh, I had like 30, like a little over 30,000 in cash and I ended up going into, uh, the airport and flying it with her to Mexico city. Okay. Oh, but it wasn't like a big 30,000 is. Yeah. But anything over 10, you have to report it. Right. And so I was, I wasn't about reporting shit, even if I had a dollar on me. So, um, I ended up, uh, staying in the Hyatt in Orlando, in the airport for two nights. And that's how I was able to study the TSA, uh, uh, um, shift change what time they shift change. And I would, I would, I would board a plane, uh, around the, excuse me, around the time where they would, uh, shift change like within an hour of them changing a shift. I needed to, I needed to catch them when they were brand new, because if you caught them on the, in the middle or the end of their shift, their pissed off, they're going to be dicks. They're tired. They want to go home and they're going to want to just give you the same, same strategy as, as having your driver through the checkpoints. Yeah. And they're going to give you a hard time because no one, no one, no one teaches you how to do it. It was my idea for one. And I didn't want to drive to Mexico. That's the two day deal. I didn't want to do all that. So I was like, Oh, I can get it. I had the confidence level was, it was enough to blind you. And, and the people who followed me, I feel like, well, I could, I probably could have started a cult, but who like with, with people, with people following you, like my girl, my girl, the girlfriends I had, if you're, if you're my girlfriend, like you're going to do something like you're going to, and you got your chicks involved. I love it, but you're going to love it though, because I promise you, I promise you everything, but more, I promise you everything. So my deal with her was, uh, when, when we go to Mexico, we're going to stay for like six months. And we're not going to, this isn't like people go to vacation for like a weekend or a week or two, whatever. We're going to stay for a few months. I live there. So we're going to live there. And yeah man sure enough she's like yeah i'll go and i'm like okay but we gotta do this okay so i'm in a room with her and and of course i'm gonna take the majority of it something was to happen i feel like shit so i took the majority i took as much as i could on my waist and the the bills the stacks were going up and down so they're on my belt line and i and i got i gave her the rest it was probably close to like maybe a little under 10 000 i would say and this is before the scanners oh yeah you weren't in the x-rays yeah yeah this was this this was 08 yeah so they don't have the x-ray no no no okay yeah this was pat downs man this was like if you look crazy come here so so when i went when i went in there i mean mind you we were the only two in line so i was like okay this is weird so i'll go in there and i go first and as soon as i go in i said i say if something happens to me i said don't come in with me at the same time like a couple let me go by myself and then done you go because then you'll know if you're good so i said once i go in there and you see something happen to me do not act like you know me go home yeah just go home with the money you have on you you had a little less than 10 000 go buy it go order a taxi there was no ubers back then so go order a taxi or a greyhound whatever call somebody to pick you up pay them 100 bucks 200 bucks and go home and then forget about it don't even worry about me so once i went in the guy he patted me down and he felt each and every one of those and the whole time he's doing it my heart's dropping lower and lower and lower lower into my stomach and i swear he was setting me up i'm like there's no fucking way because i mean there are a thousand there's a thousand thousand thousand thousand and you feel them and you know that's not part of your body maybe he thought it was your belt dude bro i mean i might i mean i don't know what fashion he was into if it made him think like that but he's just he just patted me down and told me to go and i stood there i didn't even go i froze i'm like man i feel like if i remember that movie blow where everyone gets up on the table and he stuck by it at the end that's how i felt and i'm sitting there like oh man if i get if i if i go forward there's gonna be somebody there waiting for me so i was like i stood there for a whole second felt like an eternity and i walked and i looked back i looked back casually just to see her but i kind of played it off and then she's looking at me like do i go and then i keep going and then now she knows she comes in and then once she catches up to me because i'm already i'm walking away and she starts catching up to me and then we started laughing go through yeah go straight to mexico city in three hours once i once i once i once the once the plane starts taking off i was every worry in my mind was gone and especially when i come when you start coming to me i'm like i'm gonna go to the airport i'm gonna go to the airport i'm gonna go to over mexico city in the nighttime you see all those lights as soon as i've seen those i was super straight i was like okay yeah i i'm there i'm good now i'm super good because in mexico you could pay people off yeah if somebody's somebody says you know let me check you what the fuck you got one of those just keep something for buy buy some tacos yeah you know do something yeah yeah that's pretty awesome i was getting i was in mexico city last month and i had a bunch of weed on me and they were searching me going into this nightclub i was like just keep a few for you and hold my medicine so i get out of here they're cool with it yeah this is a whole nother there's a whole nother world man so so you eventually i can't believe you did as much time as you did because it didn't seem like they like they had a lot on you they didn't so you're going to collect money from a dude that's how it it all unravels yes sir what what year was that this was 2011 in the summer summer 2011 all was it was in august well actually july when the investigation it was an investigation like a two three week investigation bro it was the shortest investigation i ever heard of and um he got popped and this is your one of your customers the customer yeah the customer and he's just the customer that you're working with on this run yeah and how long had you would before had you worked for this guy no with this guy before no i'm i'm i met him a few uh i say like two months before we started working okay because we had to wait for the first load but we had to wait for the first load but we were just talking get to know each other you know exchanging information you know this is how it's going to go down this is what we're doing just being on the same page and he he came as a referral he came as a referral from the guy that was in a stash house okay and the guy in the stash house brought the driver because they all worked together in in a past i see run with the love with another plug i see so they didn't have a plug anymore so he brought his team over to to me and my partner and then we had a team that's how we had that team and so when he got when he got arrested his brother got arrested it was him and his brother when his brother got arrested i didn't know that he was on probation from selling dope from from uh a state bid or some shit and he was on 10 years papers or some shit and he's over there moving dope like that so like all right you're fucking retarded but he he got popped he flipped immediately um when the brother came to me and told me he's told me too he goes the customer he goes hey um you know he has stuff on him you know we're trying to get a lawyer and it's in that and we're like oh how much do you need you know mind you they owe us money so it's like hey you need money to get a we want to get your brother out you know so he can pay us so we can go back to you know doing what we do and he uh he's like oh no yeah we got it we got it we're working on we got an attorney this and that so um so a week's passed by and there's 90 a little over 90 000 in the air so now it's like okay now we figure out your brother's situation what we're doing over here and he kept telling me oh you know give me a couple days you know we had to spend money on attorneys and he kept saying the same shit over and over and over so i say like a week or two passed by and then it should just went to the next level for me and i just go like so i'm talking to my partner and he's telling me what he gave he gave me the the control he goes what what do you want to do do you just want to up and leave and forget every everything and we can move to another city and continue because 90 grand ain't shit i mean some shit but it's 90 grand you can't make in a week you'll make that back exactly yeah you'll make that shit back so it's not something like oh i'm never gonna make i bet you thought about that in prison you were like 90 grand could have made it in a week could have got it back could have gone back i was still fucking pissed i was like of course yeah but you think about those mistakes like it you yeah it's just it takes you to lose everything for you to be like oh that was not a necessary i did the same thing i went and collected uh two packages of money from fedex it was like 47 grand i'm like bro it's a week's worth of work like i should have just let it go yeah so when when uh when he when we finally got to the point to where all right stop bullshitting my partner told me hey what do you want to do you know because he kept hounding me he i mean i i had to be in the middle and i got tired of being in the middle of someone fucking lying and then and then someone freaking out going nuts be like hey man we gotta get we gotta get this money we gotta get something so he says what do you want to do so i came up with an idea i said i know we're not going to get the whole 90 it's going to be impossible but i'm going to get as much as i can maybe 30 40 50 and then just haul ass just up and disappear and continue with our lives so that was the that was the mission and that's what i was doing so for two weeks i was trying to collect money and i never got i never got a dime because he had already he'd already gave that to the feds and i didn't even know it yeah once i read the report it was this dumbass left it in a backpack when it kicked in his door it was in a backpack in the shower so they got all the money and so when when i went to go collect from the final time i said look now i'm not i'll come to you nice and with respect and you know i know you're good i know you're trying to fuck me over however it's not me that needs that money it's the people that i got to give it to and they're not going to be the same way as me when they come over to see you and i don't want that to happen because i like you and without blowing smoke up his ass and i was like i don't want that to happen to you because i like you and you can see you can see the life leave his body like he for a minute i thought he turned white like he just like he like a ghost he he knew his life was over if something if this wasn't going to work out and i noticed something weird when i got close to him he kept backing up so i'm like he got backing up into his car like he was we were outside standing and he kept backing up so i'm like okay what the fuck and so he's like no no no no no i said i said no i need you gotta give me i need something now you know i need a tractor because they had they had a company assault company whatever because i need a tractor i need cars i need jewelry i need something to say that you're trying that you're showing an effort he's like all right give me give me till friday i got you and then right around that time is when they kicked in my door wow so what is that and it's the feds yeah dea fbi and what what is the what is the charge so the charge is conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute five or more keys of coke but they don't have any product but there's no product that's why it's conspiracy okay so did they were they they it was basically just the word of these guys exactly yep wow yeah it's all it's just these two brothers yep and not even the stash house people they didn't rat on you no no it was just the two brothers because when i went to trial those are the only two that showed up and that's the only evidence they had was these two motherfuckers saying that they got dope for me and me they got me they got i guess you're they had a wire he had a wire on him recording a conversation me collecting 94 000 but even in person there's no need for me to tell you why you owe me money if you see me you already know what time it is so there's no i don't need to talk like oh we're not on the phone no more we could talk wide open it was never like that yeah but that's enough though that is enough that's enough because it's okay we've got the cocaine that we busted off you guys and now here's a guy showing up saying where's my money that's enough for any jury yeah i mean the feds have busted people with less than that yep i'm not saying it's right but that's just what they do yeah that that was like that was a thing that i'm sorry to cut you off how many birds was that birds 90 000 how many 94 000 how many kilos was that two and a half so how do they get you with over five how do they charge you over five because of the time we've been dealing with each other they they they they uh testify to the agents saying oh we were working with them for seven eight months and we were getting 20 a week i read everything in trial they said it they said in my face they said it while they were on the they were 100 truthful they told them how much they were getting it for how much they sold it for and everything we've been getting 20 bricks a week from these guys but they said they said everything they they didn't hold nothing back so 20 bricks a week for seven months that's hundreds and hundreds of kilos yeah so my charge so because there's five or more now you have to now there's guidelines okay five to 15 15 to uh 40 or 50 and then uh 40 or 50 or more so there's separate so they my plea deal was uh for 40 40 something keys it was for something keys they wanted me to sign to and for how much time 16 years and they said they had they say that they found a gun in the attic of a house we were renting but the way they wrote they wait the way they charge me with it i beat it in trial because they said that uh i used it in pursuing how did how do they word it to further my drug trafficking enterprise right and i said i never carried a gun and i said when you when when you arrested me i didn't even have it on me or in my car it was in an attic yeah with you know it was in it was in the attic of a house that because we we'd already packed up to move when by the time they busted us so it wasn't looking like it wasn't then you find it in a bag that was already packed right it was left behind so we can i can easily say it's not mine it was there before me oh yeah so you beat that i beat it i beat five years out of just by the budget by that okay and then how did your boss or your partner boss partner get roped into this because the same way you did we did because we lived together and we were and he was always with me and they had when they did the uh the wire they had cameras he had a camera on him and he was videoing the whole uh every time i went to go collect okay so they got your boss with the customers on camera yeah they got all three together damn can you imagine if he was tightening up if he was a meaner guy or just a smarter guy i would have never met the customers you're dealing with them face to face that's wild so he's he's facing the same amount of time that you are yeah it was 10 to life and he doesn't have a record though in the u.s right he's just there illegally so he's got a he's got a hold yeah immigration hold yeah so he couldn't get a bond or nothing like that did you bond out yeah i did i ended up bonding out gotta put 80 000 yeah did you have a good lawyer yeah i have a pretty good lawyer i got all the way to the bare minimum yeah yeah i beat i mean i went from 16 years going to trial and getting 10 wow usually when you go to trial you get more jury trial yeah yeah so what's so interesting about this and it this almost never happens you went to trial not just for the gun but to try to beat the whole yeah drug rap yep and you blew trial you lost on the on the drugs yeah and the judge doesn't enhance you or anything like that no so the judge doesn't enhance me the prosecutor went on to enhance me they recommended 11 to 14 years but my attorney and the prosecutor made a deal whatever they say let's give them that we agree on 10 so when the jerk when the judge finally was able to sentence me for the 120 months she couldn't do it at the moment because she started crying my judge started crying i was her first case uh in orlando there's a a lady named charlene honeywell judge honeywell black lady and when she was sentenced she was sentenced to 120 years she started to cry because they have to read off your history your child history you know they have to take into pre-sentencing yeah they have to take into effect you know kind of like look for ways to not like really go really hard on you so or or go hard on you there you go so she she's like oh you know i mean she's she's sitting there she first she's like okay so you get 120 months and then she starts getting a tissue and she's like she's not bawling but she's doing this with the tissue like that and she's like very i say like discreet or nonchalant with it but she's doing this she's tearing up and she goes the only reason why i can't go under 10 because you don't deserve 10 years you don't deserve it your childhood has been so fucked up but she goes it was it was you were eventually going to go to prison just by how you were moving yeah how you grow how you grew up like without having the resources and parents and being homeless and foster care like you had your cards wrong so she's like but i can't go under 10 years but you don't deserve the 10 years and then she sent me to 120. fox news is streaming live on fox one bringing you the stories you won't hear anywhere else live coverage sharp analysis real perspective stream now and then your uh your partner also doesn't have a record so he gets you know what does he do 11 and a half yeah he's 11 and a half and how they have him as a leader that's why i see but that had me as a minor role and he has a leader role so that's why they gave him the 11 and how much did he do off of that nine maybe can you see can you get the drug program if you're illegal no you can't get the rdap if you're uh an illegal because you don't get halfway house right because they can't let you out yeah you don't have halfway house and you don't have home confinement because all the rdap is rdap how to get people to come in is they throw the one year off your sentence they dangle it and then up to a year halfway house so people are trying to get out as fast as possible even if they have to do a program or not so yeah i was able to take that uh coleman load and so you did you total off of 10 how much did you do close to eight okay i say like because i got a year halfway house too okay so you were locked up for seven seven seven and change yeah okay wow well we'll talk about that we'll we'll jump over to the bonus because we've been going a while but there's a there's some fun matthew cox stories that i want to talk about because you were locked up with the one and only matthew cox from inside true crime and the murder man which you guys should check out we do a podcast together uh which i want to talk about but man that's a that's an incredible story and and you've been out now and you run your own business and and you know you're a good guy man and the fact that you came from such hell in childhood yeah just first of all just to grow like that in the drug game most people that grow up like that they try to jump in the drug game and they end up smoking crack and they're just complete crash outs i mean you're you're kind of exceptional yeah i really mean that thank you yeah and it was a man you make me miss my my time running around bro no dad don't do it bro it ain't worth it yeah now bro this right here what you got going on is this on the app thank you bro this is the shit right here this is why i do this so i can't go back yeah man i'm too on the map now but uh what are you doing now and plug your business we want to get people over to your business yeah so what i'm doing now is um i help people fix their credit and get funding once their credit is fixed so they can start businesses or get loans for anything they need houses whatever and so i found i found credit while i was in federal prison i just sat i've been sitting around for years just trying to figure out what can i do to be a better version of myself how can i get a 2.0 version of jacob diaz the real version not the one that i had to be to survive but the one that who gotta be my true self and i'm genuinely a kind of person that wants to help you i'll give you the shirt off my back if you need it i'll give my last dollar i don't mind you know i'm in i'm in the helping because i didn't i was in a situation where not having uh the resources that i i needed had i had the resources i probably wouldn't even went to prison or went into the drug game because i had you know the education from financial literacy to get the financial freedom that that you need in order to to get that so with with helping people fix fix their credit it's giving them a second chance at life you know when people when you have no credit you can't do nothing i mean you can't even get a house you you can't rent you can't even get a job at some places if your credit's bad so i mean good luck getting insurance for i mean it's just the list goes on yeah so it hold it Not having good credit holds a lot of people back, which forces them to go look for other ways, which is what happened to me selling drugs or anybody else god forbid committing crimes so so the business is called my credit builder pros and when i mean i'm on instagram and when you do uh when i was in prison i said okay what can i do to not go back but i need to make you know a difference so credit the reason why i chose credit was because it's the root of all money it's not i'm not a loan officer or an underwriter in a bank no i want to get i want to be the plug in what i'm doing so being the plug is credit so once you have credit everything else grows from it so that's that's exactly how i got in how i got into the credit with uh it was a guy it was a guy leaving he was going home from prison and he had a he had a credit book how to fix your credit and he was throwing in the trash and i said hey wait wait let me see that book so i got the book and i was seeing how you can fix your credit and i'm looking for things to do that's intellectual something that keeps my attention so i'm reading it i'm like damn this is interesting so i tried it on myself because i don't want to use people as guinea pigs i believe that's wrong that's wrong it gives yourself a bad name so what i said was you know what let me try it on myself see if it works funny enough i had one thing on my credit and it was from a lease that i broke in austin when i live on west anderson lane so that was on my credit and i owed like a thousand something dollars so i said okay let me write i wrote the letter two weeks later it came off and once i once i came once i got the uh the account off after after disputing it i was able to jump my credit from a 544 to a 772 in two weeks just by writing a letter see most people probably don't even realize you can do that hand right which is crazy right from the front yeah with your uh your number your inmate number bro with the prison id wow i'm in prison man believe me this is about a show so that's a cool thing and that's really cool so you made it a whole business when you came home yeah it just it grew or i made it a a a hustle while i was in prison to keep myself out of trouble and because i was growing and learning and learning and learning it kept growing more stuff you're getting information for but so once i was released i'm like damn do i really want to take this for real because i was doing it for a few years already just in prison i was helping their families outside getting better credit and the best place to learn to know if you're doing it right is to do it in prison not to say go back to go to prison but you ain't got nowhere to run if you someone over right yeah so i never i never had a run or duck and dodge yeah all my was straight like it was i made sure it was legit because so that was your hustle you were doing it for people and taking stamps or whatever yeah money on the books you know go to commissary buy me at nike's or whatever just cash up my green dot yeah do my green dot yeah i just do like that wow bro okay so can people hit you up anywhere in the country yeah they have to be in florida no not if not not only in florida but we do we serve in all 50 states so currently we have customers in california even texas new orleans florida new york chicago everywhere i even have a customer in spain right now yeah so i mean they've been doing it for a while they've been doing it for a they it doesn't matter the situation just as long as you're in the united states like american citizen where we can get uh we can tackle like experian equifax and transunion okay so we're gonna leave the link to that in the comment and in the description um this is the best way to hit you up on instagram or yeah the best way is on instagram you can text me on there i have my phone number on there you can text me reach out through there or hit me on a dm hit me on a dm and i'll reach out to you man and we're going to do some collabs on clips too so they're going to see you they're going to see a lot of you yeah for sure yeah man i appreciate that johnny jacob diaz man what a what a whirlwind dude i love mexican cartels i love drug trafficking i'm just going to say it right now uh i am pro i'm just kidding and i'll go along with that i mean i can't i can't say no because i mean it's public information it's right there man man well dude i wish you the best of luck and you know you're young dude we're young men yeah right 40. i'm your age 40. 86 baby right what yeah dog life's just getting started at 40 man damn dog and you look younger than your age too man thanks a lot of creams that's a good uh it's more like your spirit you got a good spirit got a good soul man thanks dude yeah that's why you have no hair on your face laser surgery really yeah because you're tired of shit i have hair here i can grow this out but i have no hair here yeah that's you kind of the mexicans have kind of the asian thing you got to get that kind of hairless yeah you know what i mean um well jacob diaz uh if you'd like to hear some more prison stories because you do have some you have some interesting prison stuff to talk about so head over to patreon patreon.com slash the connect show check out uh his credit repair business and uh and we'll see you next time thank you guys you dave portnoy here something big is coming september 2nd draft kings game day massive deals exclusive deals an all-day celebration built for sports fans and now the draft king sports app is live in all 50 states that means from texas to california to florida every fan can get in on the excitement one app every sport all 50 states remember the date september 2nd draft kings game day get pumped get ready to celebrate new draft kings customers sign up with code spotify spend five bucks to get 200 in rewards within 21 days that's code spotify in partnership with draft kings the crown is 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