How It Happened (Ep. 2632)

all america all the time sit down buckle up and get ready for the dan bongino show you know i must be getting older you know vince was doing the show so i guess you guys turned the volume down a little bit on this thing and my hearing is getting so bad you got to remember my every job i've had for the last i don't know since 2011 so 15 years actually 1999 involved an earpiece either a secret service earpiece a radio earpiece a podcast earpiece a tv earpiece and it's always in the same ear so i've got to turn this thing up to like maximum volume to hear anything and vince was here before hey man my father always says it getting old that ain't for the young so a couple things we have to hit right off the bat so we lay out where we're going to go with the show today i'm going to tell you what we're going to tell you tell you and then tell you what i told you number one uh the numbers in texas if everything turns out and checks out in texas it's easily explainable what happened the numbers in texas were just extraordinary and i don't mean that in a good way for us obviously when i say extraordinary i mean it in the actual sense of word like extra ordinary they were not ordinary they were ordinary extra unusually high numbers listen if they did what i what i told you earlier on if they're the democrat party is like an army it's like a turnout army of people when they need to do ngos and what they've done to infiltrate teachers unions and elsewhere the numbers were through the roof i'm going to give you them you can look at them yourself and draw your own conclusions all i ask because we do not get into stuff we can't prove is we got to show some evidence however we're not going to ignore that either also we got a bunch of problems we have to triage right now there's no time i was glad to see yesterday the response on a lot of social media platforms not just x or elsewhere was righteous anger and not i'm giving up i'm forfeiting my country screw it america sucks i'm out of here i was i was really elated to see that because like i told you yesterday we've been through this before folks the show has been on the air a long time well i've i ran for office back in that 2011-2012 presidential party and i'm not going to lie to you i'm not going to lie to you i'm not going to lie to you it was a long time ago in my lifetime only 51 years old we've been through this before and after obama won re-election and after 2020 that debacle there was a lot of people not you but a lot of people like i give up i'm not seeing a lot of that i'm seeing a lot of righteous anger people are ready to dust off and get back to work which is good because point two outside of the texas numbers i want to bring up right away is we have problems we have to triage right now there's no time to take a week off and like get the kleenex out there's no time for that we don't have time for that we got problems we have to triage right now there's no time to take a week off and like get problems 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just going to ask questions to ask questions however what happened in texas was just insane i put this in a chat gpt uh just so you could get an idea folks in midterm elections in other words non-presidential midterm years where the entire house of representatives is up and a third of the senate every two years right and the president's not on the ballot it is extremely uncommon extremely uncommon for there to be more votes in a non-presidential year than there are in a presidential year so i put this in there how many votes did james talarico in texas get versus how many votes kamala harris got in the presidential obviously there were liberals listening may not know this talarico was a senate candidate just now kamala harris got in the presidential obviously there were liberals listening may not know this kamala harris on the presidential ticket i gotta go slow for the lefties here here's the comparison chat gpt notes talarico got 5,444,000 total votes that's a lot here's the kicker kamala harris got 4,835,000 total votes folks not only did talarico equal kamala harris's presidential vote but surpassed it by far now that is an anomalous uh really anomalous and the sources of 2026 unofficial election returns they'll make them official in the coming weeks uh you get mail and all the stuff whatever provisionals and things like that but it's not going to change by much obviously folks this is strange uh if if the numbers turn out to be accurate as they are and i don't see a lot of changing coming with them everything i said to you before the election i hope you're going to agree with me i hope you're going to agree with me i hope you're going to agree with me i hope you're going to agree with me i hope you're going to agree with me i hope you're going to agree with me that elections are not complicated issues are complicated candidates are complicated elections are not elections are a math issue if you show up and you voted in a presidential election like the democrats did if you show up we'll win if you don't we'll lose i there's that seems simplistic it isn't it isn't this is an extremely anomalous outcome here's another post from uh mega voice on x about the texas numbers and here it is comparing uh basically midterm to midterm the texas senate race results ted cruz got 4.2 million votes when he beat beto o'rourke who got 4 million votes here's the case ken paxton in just the election the other night got the same amount of votes as ted cruz 4.2 million so how did he lose well because as i told you talarico got 5.4 million it's still counting mega voice notes talarico got 600 000 more votes than kamala harris and 200 000 more than joe biden folks i told you the democrat party is you have to see them now as like an army like they work in a top-down orders go out kind of mentality i've got hans von spakovsky coming up at the end of the show i'm asking you for a favor please don't miss it i consider hans to be one of the premier election integrity guys in the entire country at 11 o'clock i'm going to be interviewing him about the entire elections process we have focused on this extensively i've been called an election denier by goons on the left i'm not an election that doesn't high elections happen i just want free and fair elections fair enough correct what everything from the registration process to voter id we cover all of that and hans will tell you exactly about motor voter and all of these things in the registration pipeline that creates some issues don't miss that interview at the end it's like a phd course in 20 minutes on voter integrity so how it happened if everything checks out turnout happened just like i told you if all the people voted for donald trump would have showed up these races would have been a lot tighter texas was a wipeout was a total complete wipeout and i'm going to get to this because this is now problem number two right at the beginning of the show folks there's no time there's no time for i there's no time for any of this the the fake folex maga celebration event that's going on there's no time for that really there just isn't everybody's frustrated with podcasts to stand podcasts where nobody cares they want to save their kids school they want to save their health care plan and save the economy i told you to be careful and divorce the people who are celebrating from the people who are critically analyzing that's that's that's welcome we of course we don't want to lose another leg what are we going to do everything was great i'm glad to see people on twitter here's what i think happened here's what i think happened some people have really good analysis other people just celebrating because they were never on your side ever they hate you they vote with the islamo radicals and the losers because they hate your guts we have problems to fix right now dust off fell on the ground dust off get that dust off your shoulder isn't that like a jay-z thing or whatever i don't know i haven't listened for a long time we need to dust off and get up because there's no time folks they are going to attack the Senate filibuster. Again, for the liberals listening who are a little slow, when I say they, I'm referring to Democrats, I should be precise. They now have 55 plus seats. I say plus because we don't know what's going to happen in Alaska, Mississippi, there's a couple things up in the air. But they are going to have at least 55 United States Senate seats to Democrats. The filibuster, they're going to need a few more. However, they will not need a few more to overcome a filibuster that can stop any of their legislation. The Republicans would still have filibuster power. You'd have to hit 60 and they don't have enough, even with Alaska and Mississippi. They are going to throw the filibuster out. This is not an I told you so moment. Nobody cares. But I've only been discussing this for how long, fellas? I don't know, four years, five years. If we didn't strike first and now the opportunity is gone and basically erase the filibuster and make it a at the minimum, a talking filibuster that the Democrats are going to do it first. And then all you would need is 51 votes in the Senate, just like on the House side where it's a majority. You don't think they're going to throw the filibuster out? Chuck Schumer is going to run for the leadership position. He, of course, is the Democrat. He's minority leader, will be the Senate majority leader coming up if he wins. You think the radical left, Troy Jackson, Al Sayed and some of these other lunatics are going to give him a vote for Senate majority leader if he doesn't throw out the filibuster? Ladies and gentlemen, the only thing stopping you from a completely blue DSA, defund the police, open borders, higher taxes, the government health care for all America is Donald Trump's veto pen if they scrap the filibuster. Here's Chuck Schumer. He's asked a question. Now, the audio is low in the beginning because your reporter shouts a question. The reporter asks him directly, like, hey, man, what's your thoughts on like scrapping the filibuster? Notice, notice how Schumer does not rule it out at all. Check this out. Look, we are focused. The first thing we're going to do is reduce people's costs and work the legislative process. So it does. Thank you, everybody. We are going to he asked, can I work with the president? OK, we are going to work hard to drive costs down with the president or without him. You know, I get it. There are Republicans up on the Hill who've been there a long time, staff members, senators and others. Ah, you know, what do we need to take advice from that guy for? Fine, whatever, man. You don't have to take advice from me. I'm just a guy. I have opinions like anyone else. I'm just a guy. I'm just a guy. Chuck Schumer was asked a question in the beginning about nuking the filibuster and completely ducked and avoided the question because he knows he doesn't want to say it right now as votes are still being counted. He knows that's exactly what they're going to try to do, which would mean they would not only have enough if they have say they wind up with 56 U.S. Senate seats on the Democrat side. They would only need 51. They already have a huge majority in the House coming in. Majority may be 40 seats. It's not even close. Do you have any idea how much stuff is going to make it to the resolute desk in the Oval Office that President Trump's going to have to veto? Folks, we're stuck with these senators for six years. The chances of us winning back the Senate don't come until 2030, 2032. What I'm telling you is if we were to lose the White House because we're going to sit here and listen to the people celebrating in Folex MAGA, your country's done. The country as you know it will become France. Voter ID will be banned. You'll see a mass empowerment of teachers union, school choice out the window, open borders, and there'll be nothing to stop it. No, yes. No, yes. This is why I'm telling you we need to dust off. We don't have any time. Get back in fight mode. Fight mode, not the Democrat violent fight mode. The political tactics fight mode, just like we did after the Obama and Biden disasters. I was glad to see people like, all right, let's get back to work because that's how I feel about it. So problem number one, which we have no time to waste on, is folks, we cannot allow them to scrap this filibuster. If we didn't do it, and I think we should have, I'm on the record saying that, I don't duck from that position. We didn't. But if we didn't do it, we shouldn't let them do it either. We've got to stop it. Whatever we have to do to pressure them, because if they do that, it is going to be a disaster. We should have done it first. Sounds like you're saying two separate things. Wall Street Journal had a piece up about this yesterday. We've got basically 60 days left, too, of a Republican leadership in the Senate and House. Wall Street Journal had a great piece yesterday by Michael Fragosa. This is our last chance to confirm originalist judges. We have the Fifth and the Eighth Circuits. We could tip the balance in a conservative direction, but we've got to get it done now. There's no time to waste. We can't just throw away these 60 days because we're sobbing about it. We can't. The country goes with it. Consider the ramifications of progressive DSA dominance of the House, Senate, the courts, and the White House. Ladies and gentlemen, you do not want to see that country. Actually, you can see it right now. It looks like France, which five minutes ago was a segment on Fox about more riots happening in France. It's a segment that's going to be a big hit right now. 1% economic growth. France can't grow out of its own problems. Here's the second problem we have. We have no time to waste on. Ladies and gentlemen, not only do they want to pack the Supreme Court, not only do they want to dump the filibuster to, in fact, pack the Supreme Court, they also want to scrap the electoral college system. They want to do this national popular vote compact thing. This is a disaster. It's not particularly complicated. The United States presidency, as many of you know, you're very smart. But again, there are liberals listening. It's not decided by the popular vote, okay? It is decided by 50 state elections. Every state has a number of electors. You have to get to 270 electors to win the presidency. The states allocate outside of Nebraska and Maine, which does it by congressional district. The popular vote within the state is what matters. So if you win Florida and you're Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris, which he did win, then all of Florida's, what is it, 29 electors go. So you can 270, swipe off 29. Here's the kicker with the left-wing national popular vote compact. They hate that. They want the popular vote all around the country to decide the presidency. Why do they want that? Because, ladies and gentlemen, there's nothing they would like more than to have states like California and New York, with almost no control over their elections at all, flooding the ballot with votes that are potentially, you know, not going to be voted on. You know, not going to be voted on. And they're going to decide the presidency at 2 o'clock in the morning on election night because Florida would have to wait for what happened in the popular vote. So you get what I'm saying? Using Florida's example, you win the Florida vote in the election, it doesn't matter what happened in California. You get Florida's chunk of electoral votes. If the national voter compact, popular vote compact, were to be passed in these states, then what would happen in, say, Florida, it wouldn't matter. What happened, they'd have to wait for California to finish counting, and then whoever won the popular vote, they'd get all Florida's votes. Now, why is this a problem now that we have no time to waste? Because, folks, they cleaned up the Democrats. Again, no lipstick, pig lipstick, whatever. None of that. They absolutely cleaned up at the state level upwards of 500 new seats. It was a disaster election night. It was a total disaster. Axios reported on this. They're talking about this compact. The compact is already. It's already been enacted by 18 states and D.C. since launching in 2006. That represents 222 electoral votes. 18 states have pledged we are going to respect the national popular vote, not what happens in our states. So they're at 222, which is not far away from 270. The problem is the agreement only kicks in when participating states collectively control the 270 electoral votes to win. Because we lost so badly on election night, the five new Democrats. The Democrat trifectas could bring the total to 283, which is greater than 270, which would mean California would decide the next president. Folks, this is big, big, huge trouble. You would never California, meaning campaigns would have to spend their entire time presidential campaigns in only states with a heavy population to win the popular vote. You live in Wyoming, Montana. You live in South Carolina, states with either a mid or low level population. you will never see a presidential candidate again. No one will care about your issues at all. They'll care about the new green deal because California, you need California votes. Do you understand how dangerous this is? Your state, New Hampshire, no one will give a damn about New Hampshire. Zero people. Mississippi, you'll never be heard from again. No, but we have issues in Mississippi. They won't care if the president's decided by popular vote. There's not enough population in Mississippi to tip the election. Your votes count now. They matter a lot. Whoever wins Mississippi, they get those electoral college votes. Nope, wouldn't matter. christian heinz and nate silver had a post on x about this entire thing it's long but i encourage you to read it heinz says democrats won enough trifectas last night to theoretically obtain an absolute majority in the electoral college for the national popular vote compact and they have enough of a congressional majority large enough to authorize such a compact the only thing stopping them right now is it's questionably constitutional i think it's unconstitutional i don't say questionably because i don't know how the supreme court would rule with roberts up there folks this could be really really dangerous we have no time there is no time to sit back the time to mobilize is now the democrats when they lost again to president trump they got up the next day i don't like anything they're doing but they dusted off and used that righteous anger to come back in these midterms in a fury we have to do the same thing we've done it before we'll do it again live to fight another day because we have no other choice we have no other choice no other choice i'm not forfeiting that flag behind me for anyone no less a group of bowtie wearing cigar smoking back room deal cutting uh democrats socialists who want to screw over your health care plan your economy and your kids school i'm not doing it and you're not doing it either so we've got to worry about the filibuster getting scrapped we've got a mobile phone we've got to worry about the filibuster quickly, get Trump judges appointed in the next 60 days. We have to mobilize quickly against this national popular vote compact. We also have to mobilize quickly against a crisis, not brewing, a crisis that is now here in Texas. I showed you the numbers in the beginning. I said I would discuss this. You know, let me take a quick break, but I want to get this a crisis right now. There is no time to waste. There's no nursing wounds, nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, Texas is a border state. I know you know that. Again, liberals may not. The new Democrat, socialist, communist incoming governor of Texas is an open borders lunatic who will destroy your state within weeks of swearing in and raising a right hand. And you think you're going to get any protection from the lieutenant governor? That's not going to happen either. Oh, stay tuned. Oh, this is a Texas issue. No, it isn't. It is a national issue and it's a crisis right now. We need to mobilize against and fix. 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The bill was essentially a sanctuary city's ban and required Texas law enforcement to cooperate with ICE detainers. She voted against that. She then voted against another SB4 in 2023, which made it a state crime to cross illegally into Texas. So basically what Bill Malugin is saying is if there's a border crisis in Texas, which shares a border with Mexico to the liberals and to people who cross the aisle to teach Republicans a lesson, you're not teaching anyone a lesson but yourself. You're now going to have illegals flooding in the state because she notes, he notes here that there will likely be no resistance from Texas law enforcement officials at the border. No Texas DPS, no Texas National Guard, no water buoys, razor wire, no Operation Lonestar, which Hinojosa called a dog and pony show and political theater. Folks, Texas shares a border with Mexico. Do we need to like chat GPT this for people? If you voted in Texas to teach Republicans a lesson in Texas, you were teaching, oh look at this, how long is the Texas-Mexico border? Approximately 1,254 miles. This is a national issue. There's no time. You gotta dust off and get back up. To the Texas Senate, which remained Republican, you are gonna be the bulwark against this insanity. And to citizens who voted for Gina Hinojosa, who think like, oh, you know, she really wasn't that bad. I'm sending a message. I'm sending a message to Republicans. The only message you're sending is you want your state to become a sanctuary sitting on the border from Mexico for illegals who come to the United States. That's the only message you're sending. And what was Hinojosa focused on on election night? You think she was focused on the border? Oh, no. She was focused on destroying your standard of excellence in school choice, Texas. Not only is she gonna likely open your border to an infiltration and invasion that Donald Trump will have to stop himself over the next two years, and we better win the presidency. She's focused on taking your kids' school choice away and sticking them in schools they don't want to go to. Don't listen to me. Listen to her. Check this out. And we will work tirelessly to repair the damage of the Texas voucher scam. So Texans who voted overwhelmingly to be able to pick where their kids go to school, not a controversial idea, folks. This is one of her top priorities, to make sure your kid goes to a crappy school. You think she cares about the border? She does. We're opening it. Now, many of you may be hearing this for the first time, because the media, even in Texas, will always cover for Democrat socialists because they're socialists themselves. You're like, I didn't vote for an open border in Texas. I didn't vote against quality schools in Texas. Well, you did if you voted for Tallarico, who's, by the way, all on board with dumping the filibuster. And you voted for Gina here, who voted against the secure border. Like, it's actually on the record. Like, you could look that up yourself. Maybe the lieutenant governor will save you. No such luck. Here's Todd Benzman on X. Good luck with that. Texas Lieutenant Governor-elect Vicki Goodwin has voiced policy views that if acted on, would turn Texas into a sanctuary state akin to Oregon and California. She supports allowing all, quote, refugees to cross the border with impunity and stay, opposes ICE cooperation, voted against Jocelyn's law, the lying bail to violent criminal aliens, voted against the law that bans sanctuary city policies in Texas, and opposed the state's spending on border security and walls, and a lot more. You got a bunch of people on Folex MAGA, right? Celebrating today. We told us what? What did you tell us? Oh, I remember you told us nothing is happening while everything was happening. You realize the border's actually closed right now, de facto closed, and de jure closed right now, thanks to President Trump. But we taught you guys. You taught nothing. You taught nothing. You did teach us a lesson. to never listen to you idiots again. Again, I'm not talking about critics or analysts. That's important. We went through that yesterday. Not only important, but welcome. Folks, so what happened to Texas? Well, there are a lot of theories out there, but they're actually very simple. Ladies and gentlemen, California happened to Texas. That's what happened. California has been run by some of the same lunatics that just got elected at the statewide level in Texas. And some of the people that moved from California bought their crazy California ideology with them. I live in the great state of Florida. We did good, but not great on election day. I am begging you, liberals, we don't want you here. Quick poll around the studio. Guy, do you want them here? That's a no. Justin, do you want them in Florida? That's a no. Jasmine, no. Andrew, Joss, giving a big thumbs down. Nobody wants you in the state. I can't prevent you from moving here. Please stay out. What happened to Texas? California happened to Texas. People ran away from garbage can, deep blue communist policies and brought the communist policies to the freaking state of Texas. Here's a post by Kevin Dalton showing you some numbers about what happened. Folks, we got to clean this mess up. We don't have a choice. Check this out. There's also a little graphic about it. Because if you're having trouble trying to wrap your head around what happened in Texas and Nevada last night, let me explain it for you. In 2024 alone, roughly 77,000 people moved from California to Texas. The same year, 53,000 moved from California to Nevada. These two states just delivered big Democratic wins. And he goes on to talk about all of these, the governor's loss in Nevada too. There, you need a little diagram? There is the communist infection spreading across the country as people flee the communist infection and then bring the virus with them to other states. By the way, including Florida. Keep the infection localized. We don't want you. We don't want you here. Look at that huge dot in Texas. Keep it in your own states. We don't want it. So, again, telling you what I told you. Explain what happened in Texas in the beginning. If the numbers turn out to be legitimate, it was a massive turnout for Democrats who decided we're going to show up like we did in the presidential and then some. We have to triage problems right now. The electoral college is a huge problem for us. We got to preserve it. Huge problem. We got to get judges confirmed now. We've got to fight this filibuster problem. We've got to fight against the open borders in Texas that are going to happen the minute Gina gets sworn in as governor of Texas. Here's another problem we're going to have to deal with. I addressed it yesterday on Will Cain's show. This is a problem for everyone, even if there are any sane Democrats left out there. This is going to be a problem for you too. People who were on the fence, independents and undecided that voted for Democrats thinking they were going to change things. I would argue that socialists did sign up for this. But sane Democrats did not sign up for two years of weaponized government and hearings into impeachments. They just didn't do it. We know you're going to do it. Everybody's prepared because you're freaking lunatics on the left. Everybody gets it. But Donald Trump, President Trump, was asked about this yesterday in a media avail. He was asked about impeachment. And this reaction, because I've spoken with him, about this many times, is totally genuine and authentic. He's like, you know what, man? I'm like, I'm not concerned about it. Because everybody knew. I don't usually play clips of myself on it, but it's important you see this one. Because I was asked about it on Fox yesterday with Will Cain. Everybody who signed up to work and put their hand up and said, I'll volunteer to go work in the Trump administration. Well, they volunteer, you pay, but you get the point. Everyone understood the Democrats were going to try to put us in jail. Everyone. I addressed this on Sean Hannity's podcast. Everyone. That's why if you're like, well, aren't you scared? No, it's like watching a horror movie for the 10th time. It's not scary after the 10th time. You know what's going to happen? This reaction from President Trump is, I'm telling you, totally authentic. Is he concerned? Nah, it's already baked into the cake. Check this out. I can't tell you that. They may tell you, but I can't tell you that. No, no, no. Are you concerned about it? Not even a little bit. I think it would destroy. I think it would destroy the Democrat Party if they did that. Impeachment for no reason. What? For having a successful country. Our country is more successful now than at any time in its history. Watch the beam go up. That's a totally authentic, candid, honest, genuine reaction from the president. He's not hiding like a deep fear. He knows it. Everybody knows it. Folks. The second the president called and said, hey, you want to be deputy director of the FBI? The second I absolutely knew there was a target on my back. Dan, you're smiling. I'm smiling because I'm not. I told you it's like the horror movie you've seen for the 10th time. Everybody knew. I knew exactly what I was signing up for. I knew what I was giving up. And I knew I was giving up my sanity for basically the next 10 years. Why these lunatics do their Star Chamber Stalinist stuff when they get in power. Everybody knew. For all these Democrats that went out there that are, you know, still saying the small pocket of them left. I'm pretty sure you didn't vote for that, but you're going to get it. You're not going to get affordability or any of this stuff. You're going to get open borders, weaponized government, years and years of hearings and endless hearings on stupid impeachments. That's all you're going to get. They're already talking about it now. I was asked about this. I'm Will Kane. Again, I don't usually play snippets of my own stuff. However, rather than saying it again, this is what happened. I made this same point yesterday. Check this out. Let me just send a message to you because this is important. I saw the tweets. The Bush League amateur hour chump cowards out there in Congress never had a real job. Their mommy's probably still wiping them and cleaning their diapers. Sitting there with a lawyer up. Clear your schedule. Nobody's afraid of you. Okay. I'm not afraid of you. The people I talk to in the administration. You probably have friends there, too. I want to just be crystal clear. Nobody wants this. Nobody's asking if it's some faux tough guy act. Zero people, like a freaking donut, are afraid of your stupid threats. We've seen this horror movie a thousand times. Everybody who signed up for the administration, me included, knew you were going to pull this stunt. You're not surprising anyone. This is like the Michael Myers movie you watch 15 times. When he pops in the doorway, you're not scared. You've already seen it. It may be concerning, but it's not scary. And that's why President Trump feels the same way. Whatever. Bring it on. Yeah, man. Whatever you're going to do, just do it. I knew exactly what I was getting into. Exactly. I was actually a little surprised the mess we walked into. The grief. I knew it was bad, but it was actually kind of worse than I thought. We got in there. But everything else I knew. I knew I was forfeiting away my sanity. For the next 10 years. Okay? Nobody is scared of you. Nobody. You can stop with the stupid tweets. Clear your schedule. I'm clearing nothing. Justin, have we cleared any schedule? Jasmine, you're the office manager. Have we cleared any schedule? We have not. Send your subpoenas. Do your thing. We'll find a way to do the show from D.C. in the morning. Nobody's clearing anything. I'll see you up there. I have zero fear of you absolute imbeciles. Zero. I know exactly what you want to do. And so does everyone else. Oh, well, they're just going to stop at the administration. Say you're an on-the-fence Democrat. And you're like, well, I'd like to see them work on affordability. But they'll stop at impeaching Trump and Hegseth and Cash and others. They'll definitely stop. It's not about anything else. Really? Here's Jamie Raskin, one of the most powerful socialists in the world. He's one of the most powerful socialists in Congress right now from Maryland. I know this guy well. I knew him when he was a statewide official. He's an absolute life loser and one of the most cringe guys. I used to see him at parades when I was running for office, when you, like, waved at people. The dude is so cringe, and I hate that word. He's so uncomfortable socially to be around. Here he is, a very powerful member of Congress right now. He's telling you, you're not safe either. You were a corporation in any way allied with the Trump administration. There are corporations. There are corporations that have interests with the Trump administration, national security and elsewhere. You're finished. They're coming after you, too. No. Yes. Listen to their own words. You have to listen to me. Check this out. We will not hesitate to go after the private corporations that are collaborating in all of the lawlessness with Donald Trump. And we've done it before, and we will absolutely do it again. The law firms you mentioned, we know that there were many heroic law firms that have stood up against all of the law firms that have stood up against law breaking and then the attempt to shake them down for the time of their partners and their young associates. And yet there are major law firms in America, including Paul Weiss, that have capitulated to these coercive tactics by Donald Trump and have basically surrendered and made all kinds of outrageous concessions. Oh, you thought they were going to stop at President Trump and Hegseth? You can't. I'm not there, but I'm sure you'll retroact proactively try. No, no. I thought you were voting on affordability. I thought we were told yesterday it was all about, you know, Iran and Israel and affordability. Not to the Democrats. It's not about any of that. They don't care about any of that. You think they're going to lower gas prices. I just want to, if you're in the chat and you're a Democrat, welcome to the show. I'm just, I'm asking you an honest question. You think the Democrats have a plan to lower gas prices? You realize the Democrat party position is quote, keep it in the ground. What's it? Oil. Well, if it's in the ground, it's under your gas tank. That's the point. How is decreasing the supply? You know, you guys know on the left, you understand basic economics. I know you're liberals. This is, it's probably a dumb question. Of course you don't. There's a thing in economics called the market clearing price. The price of something. It's where the supply curve and the demand curve intersect. You want the price down low. When you decrease the supply of a product and the demand continues to go up, the price does not go low. The market clearing price goes high. I thought that was affordability or something. I thought it was affordability. It's not about that. It's about the demand. It's about the supply. It's about affordability. The Democrats hosed you. It's about, I'm sure it's about open borders, socialism, stealing your healthcare plan and screwing you over. President Trump was asked a question yesterday about, uh, the vice president's comments about Iran on the, uh, on his ex account. Here's how he answered this one. Vice president Vance says the reason Republicans lost the war, uh, lost last night was the war in Iran. Well, I think it's largely true because it drove the gasoline up a little bit short term. And probably that's, uh, probably it's true. But at the same time, if I had it to do again, I'd have to do it again because long-term, uh, it's the only answer. You can't let Iran have a nuclear weapon. I do. Yeah. I mean, well, you have no choice. I mean, I thought the oil would go up a lot more and I did it on that basis. You have no choice. You have to do it. I told you folks, level 10 decisions are hard. Level 10 decisions are decisions where there's no good answer. What do you mean there's no good answer? I mean, there's no good answer. There's no answer that's going to satisfy people. There's a bad answer and a worse answer. There's an entire field of ethics taught in college universities, high schools, all over the world in business environments where that addresses the gray area of level 10 decision-making. It was the economy. When you look at polling, it's clear as day. Iran mattered to a lot of people. But the issue that drove it was the economy. Look at some of the public polling. Affordability. The point I'm trying to make is it was all a scam by the left. I saw some left-wing organizations freaking out. And listen, I can't tell you this enough. I give zero about what you think about my content. Zero. I use it in my content again the next day when you plow. They said, I can't believe Dan said election night that the media is one big psyop. Let me say it again, loud and clear, and in all caps with 10 exclamation points. The modern media, the modern media, that's the one I live in right now, is unquestionably a psyop. I say that because if you voted on the economy and objected to the war in Iran, and again, I can't say this enough because I think you told us to shut up. I hope you're not talking about this show. Because we can play a super cut of me, Justin, telling people, please, please air your opinions on the war in Iran. How many times did we say that? If we are going to put our soldiers in the line of fire, our men and women and our heroes out there in the military, I am damn proud that people are very analytical and we are going to put our soldiers in the line of fire. We are going to put our soldiers in the line of fire. This should be like proof positive to you. Case closed, get the gavel. That the economy now, if you voted on it, is far better, far better than it was under Joe Biden. And yet you voted to revert back to the same policies you said you wanted to change. It doesn't make any sense. Remember this segment we did a couple weeks ago? Red news, blue news. Here's how the media completely psyops you, okay? Look at how they, and notice what they, here's what they do. They take a collection of data. And when it's a Democrat, like this report from the New York Times in 2022 in the Biden regime, what they'll do is they'll focus on a good number and they'll ignore all the bad stuff. Heap this up a second. No, don't change it yet. When the Republican is in office, they'll ignore a hundred good numbers and focus on one bad number to make you believe that they're worse than the Democrat. Here, here's the proof. July 2022. Well, under Biden, US economy added 372,000 jobs in June, defying slowdown fears. You're like, wow, 2022, the economy's on fire. They noted power through June with broad-based hiring, keeping the country clear of recession territory. And then they put the little caveat in, not in the headline, even as inflation eats into wages and interest rates. Now, inflation in 2022. 2022, which people said they were voting on affordability, a proxy for inflation. I'll show this. Oh, I'll show it right now. What was the inflation number in the United States in 2022? Chat GBD. In 2022, the US experienced its highest inflation in approximately 40 years. Oh my gosh. Peak inflation was 9% in June. End of year was 6.5, double what it is in the Trump administration. I thought we were voting on affordability. I thought it was, oh, it wasn't. So there's the blue news. When the Democrats in office ignore the worst inflation in 40 years and talk about the jobs number. Here's Donald Trump's presidency in 2026. Keep in mind, by the way, inflation is a third of peak inflation under Biden, under Donald Trump. A third. One third. Here's the headline from the Times. Inflation accelerates to the fastest pace in three years as energy prices bite. And they go into this big, long explanation about the inflation issue. Notice they don't mention 3.4% GDP growth. They don't mention highest median household income in modern American history. The lowest poverty rate in modern American history. Notice how inflation's been cut by a third from peak Biden. Notice how they mentioned none of that. Tell me again, please. And try to do it without laughing. How the modern media is not a big subject. And all the liberals complaining about it yesterday. Double barreled. You know where I'm going with this. I don't care. I don't ever, ever take marching instructions from you, podcast to stand or elsewhere. I don't belong to the DC cabal that all hang around and like in a big circle. That's not my thing. I do my own thing. I'm down here in Florida. I run my own business. I do my own. I'm not interested in your opinions on my stuff at all. Just include the link to the show. When you endlessly discuss what we're talking about, because I know we dictate your news cycle. The media is a psyop. Click the follow button while you're there. Folks, I want to be clear on this, too. Again, if you voted for the Democrats thinking like, oh, this is all about affordability. They're going to bring me jobs. They're going to cure the inflation crisis they created. I just gave you the numbers. 6%, 9% inflation under Democrat policies. You want to vote for that to come back? I'm sorry. But the plan they have is to only make this stuff worse. The Democrat Socialists of America, we showed the tweet yesterday, are celebrating their hijacking of the Democrat Party. It's not just AOC and the squad anymore, ladies and gentlemen. They got a new name for it now. I don't know what it is. Like the Motley Crue. Who the hell cares? They've got a ton of these people who just got elected to the House and Senate. Troy Jackson, El-Sayed, and others. The Democrat Socialists have a plan. But it sure as hell is not affordability. I want you to listen to this segment yesterday on Martha McCallum's show on Fox, where this lady, who's some big honcho in the Democrat Socialists of America movement, she's like, oh, yeah, we have a plan, all right. Open borders, pack the Supreme Court, government-run health care for all. It's going to cost $4 billion. $47 trillion over 10 years. $47 trillion. Do you have any idea how that's going to affect your tax bill? Well, they have a plan, all right. it's got nothing to do with affordability don't listen to me listen to them just give me sort of a true or false on these uh abolish the senate true okay replace the presidency and supreme court as we now know them yep abolish ice absolutely abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the u.s illegally as a long-term plan yep and your thought on last night a lot of candidates dsa candidates will now be in the house of representatives what do you say to that yeah it's very exciting uh they've had enough of the systems that aren't working for us that are only working for the billionaires and they want something new and this is dsa policy policies and how much they would cost americans over 10 years total cost 49 trillion dollars which comes down to and of course these are all taxpayer dollars that's the only place the government can get money from and that's the only place the government can get money from so that's 350 000 per household uh to answer the things on this list canceling student debt open borders and amnesty which you mentioned medicare for all which you mentioned so how how are you going to pay for that yeah i mean we understand that the white house who does not like us very much managed to come up with some math that uh made us look bad um but we don't agree with these numbers um we do agree that you know we it will cost money to provide health care to everyone um but it will cost less money than we spend on the military and on these illegal wars right now and it'll bring that money home and help working families here in the united states so that's 47.4 trillion dollars medicare for all the budget no it's a made-up number folks there have been endless numbers of analysts who have looked at this the range of ranges of the cost of health care it's everywhere from 30 to 47 trillion dollars honestly i know it sounds crazy that's not even the point sure it's no it isn't because they don't care it's a rounding error yeah exactly jessica they don't care this lady and her democrat socialist allies are not interested in the cost of health care can we just stop right there digest what i said this is why as a republican i candidly i would not waste any time in this argument it's going to cost a lot because they don't care she doesn't even know the number this lunatic man if they don't care about the cost what do they care about tell me in the chat control folks communism and socialism has always been about control do you understand that it has never been about economic efficiency from each according to their abilities to each according to their needs you will get enough and they will take everything hundreds of millions of people have been exterminated in socialist systems and starve to death they don't care socialism is about controlling the economy controlling the political system controlling the health care system controlling the education system and controlling you they don't care if your kid gets an education they don't care if your heart rips out of your chest and you don't get health care in an emergency room they don't care they care about their future they don't care if you have a foot on your neck that is it it is nothing more than disguised tyranny in the form of flowery chains that's all it is some of you get this is only about control even if she was making a cost argument they'll say ridiculous she's not she doesn't even know she's like ah whatever it's made up number no it's not made up she's like well we spend that amount of money in the health care system now yes yeah you spend money on your health care what she's asking you to do is to tax you at 47 trillion dollars to not only pay for your inefficient government run rationed health care but to pay for everybody else's too yeah it's a good point justin but let's give it a try it's never been tried before government-run health care please sense the dripping sarcasm oh look at that we tried government-run health care at least partially here and the new york times just a few days ago october 30th 2026 the new york times not the new york post obamacare dealt yet another blow as premiums rise again a government so good at this health care business folks it is not about cost they don't care it is about control folks these people are crazy i've been warning you i am i'm telling you i'm going to die the next couple years the presidential cycle has already started you already saw it yesterday the presidential cycle has already started i anticipate ron de santa's going to throw his name in the ring obviously the vice president probably ted cruz there's other names floating out there um uh hegseth rubio floating they're not floating their own names i think rubio has been pretty clear we don't know who's going to run i'm just telling you presidential election season started yesterday yesterday yes yesterday i bring that up because the democrat primary is going to be a complete mob scene of lunatics you are going to see so many people from aoc on down throw their names and it is going to be a race to the bottom of who can destroy the united states more one of the most dangerous people in congress i will never let you forget about because the guy's a complete clown and one of the biggest frauds out there is this roe connor he again he goes on cable news and conservative networks and fox and elsewhere and he pretends to be this moderate guy he is a freaking lunatic here you need more proof here he is on a left wing outlet yesterday saying like hey we should embrace hassan hassan piker are you crazy the guy who's like tweeting insanity who seems to like sympathize with the freaking bad guys like this is the guy we're going to embrace check this out you know as i was leaving the place with the house democrats they said to me well you're going on hassan piker show i said yes i'm going on hassan piker show and you would think after this showing around the country more people would say yeah you know what we may not agree with him on everything but he's got a huge following he's been clear against the war in iran he's been clear about the genocide in gaza the young people and people across the country are resonating with things that he's saying about the war yeah maybe we should engage but so far that awakening has not happened we'll see do you feel like there is a real shift happening in the democratic party i do uh but you know it's not going to be overnight folks and this piker my message you nobody's scared of you man what you're goofy that rich guy fake i'm one of the boys jenny from the block routine you're a chump a coward there's nothing you're going to do to anyone you're like a bowtie wearing loser you're probably 120 pounds soaking wet zero people in the conservative mega movement are scared of you what did you tweet out something like we're going to jail whatever bro would you heard me address this earlier do you see this clown piker i mean this is the kind of guy that i'm sorry to say it it's like the carry situation you know i don't like stephen king that much but i wrote a book report once in high school on carry and they like me this was hassan piker they like make fun of him he's the guy they pour the pig's blood on him on the stage and he's like i don't like stephen king i don't like stephen king and he doesn't have the telekinetic powers or he just starts screaming ah you're all going to like like we're no everybody's laughing at you freaking buffoon and in rokhana we should embrace assad pike there you go there's your moderate rokhana folks i'm going to address this more in detail tomorrow because i want to get to hans von spakovsky it's important this is an you want to talk about the save act free and fair elections and what may be going on with the pollution of pools this is going to be your phd course in the next 20 minutes but i just want to address this quickly we're going to call this segment the filibuster in florida and i'll go into it in a little more detail tomorrow because i don't want to rush it the argument against scrapping the filibuster which the democrats are going to do now and now we got to stop them because we didn't do it first the argument i see in the media a lot is that it would whipsaw the country in other words republicans would take back the house and say and there'd be massive policy shifts and we need like stability or something that is a faux argument because the democrats get what they want always and because we're afraid to change things we get almost nothing we get a tax cut bill once in a while the democrats get obamacare they nearly got the pro act they nearly got hr1 but they've gotten a lot of stuff they've got screwed up permitting processes through the democrats get almost their entire agenda when they're in charge the republicans up on the hill are afraid especially the old establishment ones so the argument about a whipsaw is not true the democrats move the needle and we never move it back we all we get is like tax cut stuff thank god the president took executive action on the border on crime regulatory form and elsewhere because capitol hill was basically a zero so your whipsaw argument with the filibuster is a silly one What does a filibuster have to do with Florida? Folks, the reason voters are confused in this election is because they think both parties are part of a mess because there's never a both parties. There's just a one-party thing. Bad things happen, and they don't see anybody stopping it. If we had simple majorities in the House and Senate and scrapped the filibuster, we wouldn't have this problem. You would see what's happening in Florida. Why did Florida withstand the left-wing assault in this election? Because Florida has unified Republican supermajority control and was able to do everything it wanted. Cut property taxes, cut taxes, dump stupid government regulations, constitutional carry, and people love it. Voters see no difference because there is no difference, with the exception of this White House, that was dramatically different and used the executive power to move the needle. So, hat tip Capitol Hill for a big, beautiful bill, which they contributed to, because we've got to give a realistic approach. No one takes responsibility, though, because you're not able to show the public nationally this is what conservative policies look like because we're respecting this arcane filibuster rule that allows the Democrats to basically stop everything we do all the time. That whipsaw argument's a stupid one, and you can debate it. You can debate me all day on it. Fine, you're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. All right, I've got Hans von Spakovsky coming up. Again, you want a quick PhD course in voter fraud and election integrity, you're about to get it. First, we have a winner. We have, what is this, week 14, Justin? Winner from week 14 from our comment of the day. If you join our rumble.com livestream every day at 10 a.m. Eastern time, we pick your comment. You enter into a pool weekly. We pick a winner out of that. You'll get $1,776. You can see the official rules at bongino.com slash 1776. Fireworks in the studio. Turn off the fire suppression system. Santa Pote. 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You want to talk about an expert in voter integrity, voter measures around the country. He's with Advancing American Freedom. Hans, I couldn't think of anyone better after, I mean, a drubbing. There's no doubt about that on the Republican side to talk about the news. I just want to start off here. You know, I mentioned earlier the numbers in Texas, in the Texas Senate and governor's race, were, you know, extraordinary for the Democrats. And I mean in that extraordinary. They had basically presidential level turnout plus in a midterm. Texas has a pretty stable system. Just some general thoughts on that atmospherics-wise. Because people out there after 2020 with the mail-in balloting fiasco, just they generally don't trust a fragmented national voting system. Well, yeah. But look, under the system that we have, states are largely responsible for the election rules in their states. And some of them do it horribly like California. But think about if the national government was running elections and with Democrats controlling Congress, think about what they would do. They would basically export the California system and force it onto states all over the country. And we know that. We know that, Dan, because remember when Pelosi, uh, was in the House, they introduced a bill called H.R.1 that, for example, would have banned voter ID laws across the country. Yeah, California doesn't have a voter ID law, but a lot of other states like Georgia, Florida, Texas, do. And this would have outlawed that and made all kinds of other changes, putting in all the things that have made California one of the worst states for election security in the country. So, Han, if I'm correctly summing up in an abstract here, the argument you're making is, be careful what you ask for because you may get it. Like, if we were to have a national set of rules, we're assuming they would be conservative rules, but that assumption may be faulty. You may get a national set of rules that codifies mail-in balloting, ballot harvesting, that forbids voter ID, allows registration systems for non-citizens. Like, is that where you, because that's an interesting answer. I haven't heard that from a lot of other conservatives. - All of the, just about all those things were in H.R. 1. And remember, the democratically controlled House passed that bill, and the democratically controlled Senate, the only reason it was stopped there was because Republicans filibustered the bill. So, like I said, yeah, we have a fragmented system, but many states, almost all red states have actually improved the system. And let's not forget that in the election disaster that occurred on Tuesday, five states, for example, even states where Democrats won, voters approved referenda, for example, saying you have to be a citizen to vote in our state elections. And in three states, referenda were approved, including in voter ID requirements. So, it was kind of a split. Yeah, Republicans lost lots of elections, but a lot of referenda were passed that actually approved things. - We're talking to Hans von Spakovsky from Advancing American Freedom. Hans, I discussed that yesterday on the program. You know, I said, it seems like there's a large swath of the electorate that voted for simply crazy ideas. Socialism is beyond crazy. In fact, it's deadly. And then some of the same people split ticketed their vote and voted for conservative principles like election integrity. So, it was a very odd national environment in that respect. You are, I use your material. I shouldn't say used to, 'cause I still do. I use your material on voter fraud all the time. And you can look it up, folks. It's all over the web. Hans von Spakovsky's work on election integrity. The data backs it up. The Democrat argument has always been, it's shifted a little bit after the new job. You know, the New Jersey fiasco with registering people who are ineligible. But the argument used to be, Hans, voter fraud is basically nonexistent. And then it was, okay, it's existent, but it's not really impacting elections. And then after New Jersey was, well, it's impacting elections, but it's localized and we're gonna fix it. You've been covering this for decades now. How prevalent is voter fraud? And there's a counterfactual argument here, too. How prevalent is it, given that a lot of it, we may not even, we don't know what we don't know, people just might've gotten away with it. - Right, look, that's particularly true in California. If you have no voter ID requirement, if you don't verify citizenship, how are you gonna know that you have fraudulent voting going on? What we do know is it happens often enough that we should take security precautions against it. I mean, just take the idea of aliens registering and voting. The left for a long time denied that was happening. But once some red states started getting access, for example, to the SAVE database, that's the database at the Department of Homeland Security that they can check to verify citizenship, they started finding thousands, thousands of aliens on the voter rolls. A couple of years ago, an organization that I know of in Virginia sent a simple request to county registrars said, we want the files. on every registered voter who sent you a letter saying, oops, please take me off the rolls because I'm not a U.S. citizen. They got over 5,000 replies in the state of Virginia. Yeah, we're a big state, but we have elections all the time all over the country that are decided by very small numbers of votes. Hans, you've got the Mississippi Senate race still undecided. Last time I checked, it was, what, 65 votes? I mean, it's not an argument we got to make a hypothetical about. Didn't Marianne Miller-Meeks win her seat by like 14 votes? I mean, this is not even, it's not even unusual. If it's one out of, I don't know, 500 races, you have 435 house seats. If it was even that low, that means in every cycle, roughly one person could win by a sliver. So I hate that argument. One quick thing I wanted to, because you mentioned the SAVE database. Can you just briefly explain to the audience, that's not, the SAVE Act is a different thing, folks. The SAVE database is a way to cross reference voter rolls to make sure that these people are eligible. Can you just explain that quick? Because this is a big, big thing right now. Right. And look, the SAVE database isn't something new created by Donald Trump. It's been in existence for four decades. It was created by Congress so that state welfare agencies could actually check if somebody was applying for public assistance funded by the feds, they had to be a US citizen. So they set up this database for state agencies. It was the Trump administration came in and said, oh, you know, we should make this available to state election officials also. And that's when all these states who had never, ever complained about inaccuracies suddenly started suing places like California and saying, oh, no, no, no. We don't want to access that database and nobody else should be able to access it either. You know, Hans, what bothers me the most about this is if you allow people, ineligible non-American citizens to vote in federal elections, they essentially cancel out your vote. I mean, your vote is then wiped out. I mean, it's like a one for one swipe. It's a zero sum game. If I vote Republican and you vote Democrat, there's no winner. Like, they cancel each other out. So that is a huge problem. And, you know, this is why I've been a big advocate, you know, for the SAVE Act and voter integrity measures around the country, because I've said often, which I know you understand studying the issue deeply, the Constitution, Hans, is not, you know, it's not what the left, it's not a living, breathing document. It's a piece of parchment. It's the greatest piece of parchment for governing I've ever seen. But it's just an agreement. It's a contract. It's like a contract with a contractor. If he says, hey, I signed this thing, I'm going to build your house and it doesn't build your house. You have no house. You can flash the paper. All you want. He's not building your house. He doesn't like you. He doesn't care for you. So the thing is, if we don't have faith in the system, the system fidelity to that system, it falls apart and collapses like pulling a string. That's what worries me the most about ballot harvesting and mail-in balloting. Anyone with common sense knows you show up, you show a voter ID to an election official. It's real. It's not impossible, but it's hard to fake that. You got to get a fake ID. You got you probably on a camera somewhere. It's not a good thing. If you get a mail-in ballot at your house and some ballot harvester comes and picks it up, you have no idea who filled that out. Someone said to me once, it's not votes that wins election in states like that. It's ballots. There's not the same thing. Oh, no, you're absolutely right. And in fact, look, look, uh, in 2008, when the U S Supreme court upheld, uh, Indiana's voter ID law is constitutional. They specifically said, uh, ensuring public confidence in the integrity elections is very important because that affects turnout and all the opposition to things like voter ID proof of citizenship by the left. They always make the false claim that, Oh, this is going to hurt turnout. The opposite Dan has happened. Every state that's put in a voter ID law. And we now have 20 years worth of turnout data, for example, from Georgia and Indiana, uh, it turned out increases. Why? Because the public's confidence and the odds of the election increases. Talking to Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at advancing American freedom. And, uh, I hate the term expert because the left has destroyed it, but an actual expert on voter integrity. Yeah. You know, the left, everybody's an expert on the left. Uh, that's what drives me bananas about the left Hans. And, you know, in the new AI ecosystem we live with, I think this is what liberals and progressives are worried about. They're not worried about AI lying to you. They're worried about the truth. Any voter out there, if you're watching me at Hans and you're a big liberal and you don't like either of us or what we're saying, fine, you're, you have every right to not like me. I'm glad you're here though, because I'm going to ask you to a little exercise, do a little exercise. What Hans just said, you can back up by the facts after voter ID measures were passed in Georgia, they boycotted the major league all-star game and elsewhere. They have two democratic centers and just elected a Democrat government. Neither me, nor you are probably happy about that. But those are just the facts. If voter ID was stopping Democrats from showing up in the polls, how the hell did Ossoff just win by 20 points? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Well, no, absolutely correct. Oh, and by the way, uh, Indiana, you know, had its first voter ID law in place in 2008. And guess who won that state first Democrat, uh, to win the state in the presidential race in like 30 years, Barack Obama. It's, it's really shameful. And, and, and Hans just candidly, I can make a very strong case to you. It's one of the most racist arguments, a progressive or could make the argument that somehow black and Hispanic Americans are unable to figure out how to acquire an ID is one on its face laughable, but it's not funny. It's a racist argument. Why, what, what, what are you making some kind of IQ argument, some aptitude argument, some achievement article about black Americans speaking in the collective? If I, if I were a black or Hispanic American, and my wife is an, or, you know, as an immigrant here from Columbia, she doesn't want to be talked down to like that. She was a high end executive and, and, you know, in the city, when I met her, he thinks she wants to be talked to like an idiot. Oh, look at you, Hispanic people. You don't know how to get an ID. It's racist on its face. It, it is it's patronizingly racist. And by the way, during the Obama administration, when they there, his justice department, was attacking North Carolina's voter ID law. They actually brought in an expert who testified to that very thing. Their DOJ's expert claimed that black North Carolinians weren't as capable as whites of getting an ID. If you can believe that. I, unfortunately I can, it's an obscene, absurd, ridiculous argument. The reason I asked that first, because the left has used this racism, and then the right has used it. And it's, it's it's it's it's it's absurd. It's ridiculous. I mean, it really, we just elected, you know, Byron Donald's Barack Obama was the president twice. Like just stop the nonsense. It's ridiculous, stupid, and obscene. But one of the things that bothers me is the Democrats have used this argument against the Republican party. When it comes to this demographic destiny thing. I bring this up on my show all the time. Yeah. The Democrats have a long-term strategy. To use unfettered illegal immigration. They've actually talked about it. There's a Congresswoman in New York, Yvette, I forget her last name, but she actually said this. She said, listen, I'm losing people in my New York district. They're moving out of New York. So as the congressional districts shrink, you, if you, you don't have about 700,000 people, your district may get wiped out over time in the, in the census count and the redistricting. So she said, listen, we need people. And basically if they're illegals, like we'll take them from wherever. And then when we mention it as Republicans, we say, Hey, that doesn't sound fair. Like because of your terrible governance in blue States and you're losing actual American citizens, you want people to break the law, to backfill people. So you don't lose electoral college votes and Congress seats in Congress. And then they say, oh, you guys are racist. Bringing up replacement theory, Hans. I was, it's not our theory. It's your reality. You guys talk about it all the time. No, that is absolutely correct. And that explains. Two things. Why, uh, blue States have fought tooth and nail to prevent, uh, checking whether they're registered voters are aliens or not. And they have fought tooth and nail against changing the U S census and apportionment. They want aliens included in apportionment. Why? Because the more aliens they have, particularly the more illegal aliens they have in their state, the more representatives in the U S house they have. If we faced apportionment on the citizen population of the U S California would probably lose between four and five seats in the U S house, New York would lose a state. Illinois would lose a seat. That is why they are fighting any effort to find, investigate, prosecute aliens who are registering and voting. We're talking Hans von Spakowski from advancing American freedom. Hans, the genesis of a lot of this and the destruction, I think, of free and fair elections in some states around the country some of i think florida runs a pretty clean system i live down here they do a really great job but the genesis of it was motor voter um in i believe the clinton era registering people there without proper checks has led to a boatload of problems uh can you just explain quickly like the background behind that and how this could lead to issues yeah the problem with the national voter registration act was that it basically told states you can no longer require an id from someone when they register to vote they changed our registration system into an honor system so if you fill out a one-page form which is what what the federal form is and you lie and say oh i'm a u.s citizen you'll get registered to vote in every state across the country that's why states at least red states have been trying to put in proof of citizenship requirements which like i said liberals are very much opposed to and they are opposed to i read an article years ago and forgive me i think it was national review and i've been looking for these poor guys i've had him searching for it uh for weeks and we can't find it but uh because i like to credit people but the gist of the article was yes mail-in balloting and ballot harvesting are a huge problem but the real problem the genesis of chapter one in the book of destroying free and fair elections is destroying the registration system and the argument the author of the piece made was you know you go to fish in a pond or a lake or whatever you want to fish in a lake or a pond with a ton of fish correct it's not hard to figure out if there's one fish you're going to be sitting there all day trying to catch the fish if you've got millions of fish in a pond you're just going to be sitting there all day pulling them out so the democrats understood a long time ago that if you can pack that pond full of registered voters legal illegal eligible ineligible even if 10 of them show up you're still dealing with 10 of a million rather than you know 10 of 10 which is one so it's a math problem when you screw up the registration thing for the republican party now that is exactly right and look it's not just aliens on the voter rolls but the system we have now makes it very easy for people to register in more than one state and to vote vote twice there was a report just after the voter rolls there was a report about the voter rolls out from the public interest legal foundation in virginia they they took three states uh compared their voter rolls with nine states total and found what a hundred and thirty thousand people registered to vote in two different states and uh they can vote in both states and will they get caught the chances of that are pretty nil that's the problem that's the counterfactual problem we discussed in the beginning of the interview you don't and you know donald rumsfeld unknown unknown you don't know you don't know if you didn't get caught you don't know about it so you know putting a number on voter fraud yes you have a library of material on documented cases uh the administration now is prosecuting a boatload of people i've covered it on my show but we still don't know about the ones that it's like the gotaway problem with immigration is it 20 million is it 10 million is it two million we don't know because we don't know they got away hans that was a really great interview i know the audience is going to appreciate your insights and we'd love to have you back anytime so thanks so much for joining us uh always happy to talk to you thanks yes sir hans von spakovsky folks from advancing american freedom like i said he if you look him up in his material online he has a library of material and evidence of voter fraud not that you even need to see or just in the last few weeks we've covered arrests for actual voter fraud there are people who've had to go and swear in front of a judge federal agents this individual committed voter fraud i think they're going to get fired from their job making it up pick joey bag of donuts out there let's just accuse this guy i voted for i put my career in line no that's not the way any of this happened thanks so much for tuning in today we really appreciate it make sure to check out sean's show sean farish at 1 p.m rumble.com sean haley karania at noon and vince colonace at 8 a.m rumble.com vince everybody had a great audience today we really appreciate that well sean we'll find out he airs later make sure to join us every day at 10 a.m download the rumble app you can also find this at bongino.com or available on all the platforms out there go to rumble.com slash bongino if you want to watch us on the web give us a follow right there again the rumble app is free download it on your tv if you want to watch on tv your phone your tablet we really appreciate it see you back here tomorrow at 10 a.m hey there i'm vince i'm hayley karania 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