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Well, then, get a hearing check from specs-avers. Mmm. All right. We like you. I'm not talking about that on the air. Okay. But, um, yeah. Maybe, um, should be the. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah. It was off later. But, um, hey, what's going on, D? Not much, man. How are you doing? Doing good. Doing good. Yeah. Just wanted to do. So, we're literally recording about an hour after Trump and JD events and, um, Zelensky had a blow-up in the. In the oval office. And, um, so just get people a time frame for when we're recording this. And, um, you know, we have other stuff we can talk about, but, um, you want to. You've seen the video. You want to say anything about what you saw? Well, I think, I mean, it was a little bit clonish. But the whole situation is clonish, right? This is something that any serious person could have told you, you know, two years ago. Like, this was. This guy was a puppet. He was literally an actor, a comedian, who got put in the presidency because people were watching too much television and they're stupid by, you know, this, this thieving oligarch who basically wanted a frontman. And he effectively, you know, started the war like you killed 10,000 people in Novorossia by, you know, like, shogging them with mourners. And you expected, you know, Vladimir Putin for his own sake, like, he can't just let that slide because the people in his country won't stand for it. You know this because you've seen the example in Georgia, you know, when Chexvili did basically the same thing, tried to join NATO, John McCain showed up, straight up on your crap up, you know, you have people in the United States Senate like Lindsey Graham talking about how, well, this is the best money we've ever spent because like, we just get to kill Russians and it's none of our troops. And it's just our, I mean, it's cheap money, you know, it's, it's the most wonderful thing in the world. Dead Slavs, it's just the, my Jewish handlers just love it when Eastern Europeans kill each other. It's the best thing in the world to them because they're still salty about a program that happened in 1648. It's the most beautiful thing in the world. I mean, that's basically what this guy is doing. And it's not like a clown show and laughable and disgusting because it's an entire thing that's been a disgusting mess. You know, maybe because I've followed, you know, Dr. Raphael Johnson for years, I knew all this stuff, but everybody in Washington should go this stuff. You should, you know, if you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you should at least know why people don't like Russia. Why are all these shuttlepale of some of Jews? Like, why did they hate Russia so much? Well, why do they spit when they hear them in Bogdon, Kulimetski? And then, you know, these are the people that have been running everything for, but 70 years. You know, the occupied government, you always correctly talk about. Is anyone surprised that Zelensky's this entitled little one? I mean, that's what he is. Why would you expect any different? I think one of the interesting parts of this is that, you know, if you listen, if people listen to the three episodes, Thomas and I did, where he talked about Syrian-Russian relations post, you know, post-Nuremberg. I mean, you understand that this is basically the same war and that, you know, you've already mentioned that this is really about ethnic grievances from centuries ago. Trump treating Zelensky like this. And if they just cut them off, you know, he's basically saying we're not going to help you fight your wars anymore. So, you know, you can make Trump out to be a Zionist, Scott Horton calls him a "Lakudnik." But I mean, he just basically spanked the inaparachic for international jewelry on, you know, basically the world stage. Live on national television, international television. I've always said this about Trump. I don't think Trump's a Zionist because I don't think he knows what a Zionist is. And I think if you, like, gave him a dictionary definition as Zionism, he'd be like, I don't, that doesn't make any sense to me. He just seems like that kind of guy. I think he's a guy who likes Jews and likes Israel and, you know, his family married Jews. And he's been dealing with Jews his whole life in New York. And I think he likes some Jews. And I think he just doesn't like this, this international bullshit that he knows that his legacy, if he ties it to his legacy, you know, it's going to be a, it's going to change it. Well, he's already dealing with like, like you and Thomas said, you know, and it strongly hears people to give it a listen, right? That the conflict in Israel and the conflict, where the conflict in Gaza and Israel and the conflict in Ukraine are basically the same thing. They are attempts by the regime to, you know, destabilize enemies and gain territory. And once you understand that, that effectively, you know, Vladimir Putin is a lot of things. No one, no one who's like a nice person gets promoted colonel in East Germany in 1987. Like it just doesn't happen. You know, but he's a serious guy and Russians are chess players, right? And he knows the world system just as much as anybody. And he saw that like the weakness of the world system that was, you know, freezing him, him and his people out of, you know, the national economy and of making them poorer and trying to, you know, undermine him at home. Like, okay, well, I cannot attack on this part of the board, but I can attack on this part of the board. And so he supported the Syrians and that, you know, caused a bunch of problems for the regime. And so they counterattack in Ukraine, right? Because the central, central fact of Russian life is that the vulgar river that flows through Moscow and is basically the heartland river of the Russian, of European Russia, the way like the Mississippi is at the United States. That river empties into the Caspian, which is a landlocked lake that can't give you access to world markets or allow you to have a navy. That's why one of the first Russian apples was Novgorod on the Baltic, right? But the Baltic is largely because it's frozen part of the year and it's shallow and it doesn't. And you have to get through the straits of Denmark and forget what they're called, but, you know, like you can't control that. There's all these other powers, Sweden or Denmark or Norway, or the UK, who might bottle you up in the Baltic? Or the North Sea and keep you from, or of course you could go all the way to the Arctic Ocean. But that's, you know, barely tenable because it's only open a few months of the year. So the Russian nation. needed a Access to the black sea that was stable and Year-round where they could conduct international trade and have a navy and For them that means like they can't get it was festival in Kareem here They can't give up the roster of you know on the the southern Russian Cities that they have to have those to matter of life and death for Russia if Their economy is based off of exporting energy and agricultural products Mostly to places like India and Africa and elsewhere, right? They don't have the ability to do that They're dead and dead in the water. They're gonna starve the death in the dark and in the cold So when the United States says we're gonna threaten that By making Ukraine like an outright enemy of yours. Is it any wonder that? That they reacted negatively I mean think put the shoe on the other foot if the Mexican said hey, we're gonna like work with the Cubans and Uh We're gonna take Puerto Rico from you and We're going to prevent you from exiting The Gulf of America like New Orleans is no longer like a viable port for you Like people would freak out But you won't be able to export grain down the Mississippi through New Orleans and out to Wherever or energy or whatever whatever else Your LNG tankers won't make it from New Orleans to Rotterdam anymore They be war They be worried the drop of a hat you can't do that to the United States Just like there was war when the United States basically prevented the Japanese From importing oil and food Like what are they gonna do In 1941 They have to And pretending That You know Zelensky is anything other than a puppet of the regime is absurd This is not complicated I mean it is sort of complicated in a way but like If you threaten people's lives they react simple as Well, I mean to just make it simple You know, I like I like to make things simple just for my brain to start with before I can jump off somewhere I mean little if you If you come into the administration if you start your administration realizing with a whole bunch of people around you are like If we don't start taking care of ourselves and If we don't look after our own interests and even if those interests do become like Monroe doctrines type interest where you know Central America South America the Our our coast our west coast especially maybe even Greenland You have to trim the fat you have to cut the ties and You know, I I honestly think that there are the reason why you've seen so many of the you know formerly Hostel Of a certain formerly hostile members of a certain tribe Basically changing their tune is because they feel like they have to Because everything's falling apart and what they have is falling apart So yeah, just as you know if you listen to you were up to episode 15 We have 17 recorded of 200 years together. You see this over and over again. They're going to for a time They will switch their tune and the message will be very clear about how oh We're in it with you guys 100% And everything so this is the time when you have to not only take advantage of it But you have to do everything you can and especially in a time when Information can travel halfway around the world than in a half a second This has to be a time to not only take advantage of them Doing this but do everything you can to Pushed in narrative that they were responsible for this and the you know, they were responsible for a lot of this in the first place Right. Yeah, well trumpet trumpet JD Vance or a Solinsky JD Vance, you know arguing and then Trump saying this is gonna be hard to do business like We're 37 trillion dollars in debt Our our military is not capable of going up against Chinese or the Russians and Winning the United States Navy is you know 12 carrier groups that are Loading targets that can't actually attack, you know those near-peer adversaries. They just get shot down They're billions of dollars that are just a hole in the water so And it whose fault is it that we ended up here? Of course everyone knows If you listen to this program you listen to me, you know whose fault it is but You know one of the good ones I guess built in freedom right the system That works is a system that doesn't you know empower good people it forces bad people to do the right thing even though they don't want to So when Marco Rubio's changed his tune It's because he has to There's there's no rescuing the present order like we just can't afford it anymore You know like you can't have quote unquote unmanned planes where you know The flip upside down like like no more wind pilots. Sorry like when when billionaires like oh, I'm gonna die When I get on my private plane If the pilot isn't like you know a 45-year-old white dude with a little bit of gray in his hair and it looks like the aviators were welded on his face Like those are your choices. You have to empower the people actually capable of running the system And right, you know for the last 50 years at least It's just been like what's just take from these people and add more and more burdens on them and Destroy them with droggas with opiates with useless wars with you know super high taxes whatever That that's the well, we just can't carry it anymore. We can't And Zelensky is this you know this clownish burden to the tune of how many billions of dollars has been 300 some say 350. Yeah 350 billion you know what I could do with a tenth of that You know I Could rebuild all of America with that much money The those days are over and really the You know going forward now what needs to be done and you know what we saw yesterday was basically Basically a clown show where everyone knows that you know Everyone knows what Jeffrey Epstein was you know and Anyone who's arguing against that is arguing it's survival mode for them. You know even Even Dave Smith had a tweet yesterday where he said I'm starting to think the handing that handing the massage peto files to a bunch of Zionist Might not be the best way to get the truth to the public I mean you're yeah, well Dave Dave here's what happened and you know it and I know it and everybody knows it Your cousins Used my tax money To coerce and abuse kids that look like my kids like my daughters Into black manaling politicians that are working supposed to be working for me. He Into supporting a war that got kids that look like my kids killed in Iraq for no damn reason And then when they came home messed up Your cousins sold them drug as they killed them or ruined their lives And they've been doing it and running everything into the ground For the last at least Life century more likely 80 years with the nice even number it at 1950 say 75 years this year, okay? So Dave when your family does this sort of thing And to his credit he talks about it until you do that until you talk about that the fact that we're occupied You're not dealing with reality And what Zelensky was doing was sitting in the White House saying, well, yeah, I mean, I have a natural right to occupy you. And Donald Trump saying like, we don't have the money anymore to afford to keep paying you guys. And he lost his mind. He lost his mind in public. It's crazy that anyone should conduct themselves like that in public. Well, we've been talking about an occupied government and our forebearers used to use the term Zog back in the '70s and '80s and get arrested and get their homes, not their compounds, which is a propaganda word, rated. Now, their families killed like Randy Weaver who went and hid in the woods because, well, people have seen him. This shirt he was wearing, this just has to end. And if you are to believe that these documents will come out, most people, I think, have it said in the seat of believe that the reason they're not coming out is because, oh, there are people who don't want to be exposed as pedophiles and things like that. It's like, no, there are people who don't want to be exposed as traitors to the country. Because the penalty for being a traitor is being treated like, who were the last people who were killed for being executed for being traitors in this country? Were they the Rosenbergs? Why the unconventional grill set up you got there, Barry? Still, those marinated pork chops smell nice. Thank you, Jack. 299 from Aldi. Hot honey and paprika. Also 299 from Aldi. Oh, watch that airflow on the Piri wings, buddy. Yep. 299 from Aldi. Even the burgers. Buddy. Silence barbeque boars with selected barbeque meats only two-year-old 99 at Aldi. But what if the odd words are missing or nice ones like Love You or important ones like "Doc?" Oh, too expensive, is it? Hmm. Thank you, Jack. 299 from Aldi. Also 299 from Aldi. Yep. 299 from Aldi. Even the burgers. Buddy. Silence barbecues boars with selected barbecues meets only two-year-old 99 at Aldi. Well, this way we celebrate Juneteenth. It's a two-year-old, death-old Rosenbrick day. That's why I celebrate Juneteenth anyway. But there's huge numbers of people. Basically everyone in Congress, but Tom is messy and maybe a couple others, right? So if you dug into it, the traders, virtually the entire Democratic Party, most of the Republican Party, they're traders. The USAID thing. You know, Mike Benz for all that he's done good work and talked about. Like, he's, he's steam control. He's trying to get people to be like, well, it's bad, but, you know, like, no, no, no, it's just all bad. It's always, it's, it's always has been me, you know, because even when he was frame game, he was trying to direct you away from certain things. Right. Yeah, because he's, he's a member of the tribe and he was like, well, yeah, you might have a point, but, you know, Paul Gottfried, we're run-ons. Like, well, okay. So Paul Gottfried and I run-ons get to be in the last car out. Like, I don't know, like, not my problem. This is, you know, we were on the verge of nuclear war because Victoria, Newland was salty about a pogrom from 375 years ago. Like, that's insane. That's like me being mad about a nuclear, like, like, pushing us to the edge of a nuclear war because, like, all over Cromwell, like, oppressed the Irish. Like, yeah, I'm not happy about it. Yeah, I don't like Cromwell. Yeah, I don't think that he's a good guy. But nuclear war. Well, you know, and I think people are, people think you're being hyperbolic with that. I don't, I don't think most people realize just exactly how far and how hard Putin was being pushed in the last, in the last year to react in a way that would, they're trying to basically make him on the world. Some of them are trying to make him on the world stage, you know, look like a maniac because all they can do is say he's a maniac. Oh, he invaded another country. Great. That's been happening. The whole, the whole of our existence is one country invading another country or one people's retribut invading another. It's nothing new about that. But there are some who wanted to make him. No, and there were some, there are some who want us all to die. There's a thread on Twitter that I shared yesterday and it shows it has in it a paper, a submitted paper, research paper by someone who used to work at the NIH and had an office right across from Dr. Fauci who said that COVID and the COVID vaccine were a misod plot to kill a billion people. This was a legitimate like medical paper, right? Yeah. One of the reasons RFK was supposed is he brought up the fact that the COVID-19 virus attacked whites and more than others ethnic groups and didn't attack what Asians and Ascanasia Jews. Ascanasia Jews and Asians. Yeah. So we're dealing with a bio weapon that was, there was again, using my money, Anthony Fauci and members of the tribe went to a racially hostile communist shithole as it helped us build the bio weapon to destroy our own country in case they get mad at us for destroying their country. And notice, notice, I'll just interrupt you for a second. I'll let you keep going. Sephardic Jews, Mizrahi Jews, all the other kinds of, no, these are the Galicians. These are the pales, these are the pales settlement Jews who are responsible for this. They're, they're targeting everyone else. Yes. Except the people who, except the people who helped them build it. Yeah. And not only did they do that, but, but, you know, the entire COVID operation was just, just a bust on operation from Goodfell. It's all you need to know about politics is you've been watching off mob movies and understand that these people are just the difference between the Columbus or the Genevases and the bushes and the Clintons is who, who cuts their suits. They're not any better or, you know, different people. They run racquets. They kill people. It's what they do. Now, you know, Justin Stamm just wrote a really good book about mafia power. Like that's just how power works. I'm not trying to, trying to trick her code or anything like that. Just, this is just how the game is played. But okay, if, if the difference between the bushes and the Columbus is, is who cuts their suits, then when they use these tactics, you shouldn't be surprised. So the, the COVID operation, it was just the bust I've seen from Goodfell is, was it was you know, because all of these mom and pop restaurants where, you know, they've got a restaurant. Spend in a family 30 years. You do a pizza place or maybe a diner or something, right? Dad runs grill. Mom, mom runs in front of the house. Kids act as waiters or waitresses or busters or whatever and then they hire a few folks. And then they've got a family restaurant that, you know, does a million dollars a year in revenue. And the building is worth $250,000. you know, after expenses, the family makes a nice modest, you know, 110 grand or whatever. Well, that family has, you know, the land and the building and the business with millions of dollars in assets. And that person might not have, you know, a hundred million dollars to where they can, you know, go up against, you know, the Walton family. But if a hundred of them get together, they can, they can go up against the Walton family. And they might actually be able to get something that they want. Because they have the capital to be actually, you know, Thomas Jefferson, not my favorite philosopher after I learned how the world actually works. But, you know, property owners, young and property owners, whether the small restaurant people or small business people who guys own a machine job or something, if they have that money, they can stand up for themselves. And it doesn't matter if it's, it's in Iraq or, you know, Ohio, coherent societies, full of people who can stand up for themselves, is the thing that the regime does not want. That's why Springfield, Ohio got flooded with all those Haitian refugees. Because they don't want you to be able to, like, be in Springfield and look around Ohio and go, man, we're getting screwed. And we should do something about it. They don't want you to be able to resist. Yeah, they've created, I interviewed a gentleman that Jay Burton interviewed recently, introduced me to named John Moody. And he's a guy who he puts on events with Joel Salaton. Oh, yeah, think a lot. Yeah, it was a great show. Oh, thanks. Yeah, he's, you already listened to the one I put up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's a Kentucky guy, six kids living on 25 acres, producing his own food. And you know, one of the, one of the takeaways, one of the things you can take away from that episode is, yeah, that, you know, was this malicious? Was it, was it, was it, you know, stupidity? Well, whatever it was, I mean, it weakens people. It takes our strength away. It also takes away our, our, our ability to rationalize. I mean, people can say whatever they want about, you know, lower testosterone, you know, weakening men and also making them more leftist, but it also damages, you know, lower testosterone is shown to be something that affects cognitive ability. So if you're taking away people's not only physical strength, but they're cognitive ability, you know, the argument can be made that a certain tribe doesn't, the majority don't exhibit physical strength, but they still, they're cognitive ability to rationalize and scheme and do things is still there. Well, I mean, they're, that's even trying to be taken away from them. That's trying to be taken away from us. Right. Well, because they don't want you and I to be able to argue with them. Well, why do you think you got to monetize? Wasn't because you were wrong. Because they don't want to, they don't want to have to deal with this, this, uh, obnoxious spaniard, like, spaniards defeated us ones. We don't want these people to be a problem again. Take his money, take his wallet, take his coat, kick him out. That's what they did. You know, Thomas should be a professor at the University of Chicago or the Ivy League or Oxbridge or like a major, like law, academic something. And it was great credit he's built the life for himself outside of that. After the system took all that stuff away from him. But if it was just pure ability, why isn't this guy, you know, teaching a Harvard? Why isn't he teaching it? Uh, Yale or Princeton or University of Chicago or Stanford? Why not? Well, because he's, because he's against the system. And the system was like, well, we don't want to give you a shot. You'll make us look like fools. You did it anyway. But that's, you know, they don't want us to be able to organize because they know that they've got a losing hand. And I'm like, Hey, do you want to be like weak and dumb and dependent and not having industry in your country and not be able to get married and not have any kids and be gay? Like that's not a real like that's I'm like, no one's going to know what's going to sign up for that. I guess more than what you would want more than seeing the government fixed and, you know, seeing the deep state or the administrative state this man's old is, um, you know, and I'm not, this isn't coming from a populist kind of standpoint. Is you want to see people just making the decision that, okay, I can't rely upon these people. And I can't rely upon the system that's been built. I need to take care of myself. I need to take care of me and my family. And I think that they're, they're definitely you've seen since Trump started, you know, in 2015 with his rhetoric, you know, if, if nothing else, Trump's just a wrecking ball. And I think he's managed to help a lot of people have a reset in their own mind. And you see more people being like, okay, I'm going to have to do this on my own. Yeah, we're going to have to do this for ourselves. Um, this is not something that, um, you know, we can rely upon. And, you know, to those people, I know there was a lot made of, oh, you know, Trump, if you, Trump is just, he's going to be a pressure release valve. If he's a pressure release valve for people, those people are lost. And those people, they're just sheep and they need to be led. So you need to step in and you need to tell them how they need to live. I mean, after 2020, anybody who thinks that the overwhelming majority of people should be left to their own devices. You're, I mean, you're, you're not even in the game anymore. These people need to be told how to live. And hopefully more people when they're seeing what's happening and things like, you know, realizing, oh, the Epstein thing, no one's ever going to pay for what Epstein did. You know, it's like, well, then you can't rely on the government. You have to start doing things for yourself. And we can do things for ourselves if we make that decision instead of waiting around or fucking making excuses like, well, Jews control everything. So I can't do anything with my life. Well, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of people who know what we know who are very successful. Why are they very successful? Because they fucking try and don't make excuses. Right. Well, it's, there's a couple things that you mentioned there that I think are we talking about. First of all, right? 10, 10 organized guys can control 10 million people. Right. And in the vast majority of people don't want to be free. It's too much work. If you still believe in like, being free for the majority of people, like, no, that's not what they want. They want their beer cold and their football on. That's what they want, which is fine. Like, you can want that. Me personally, I want to be free. So I do what I do. And I, you know, take your own risks because I think it's worth doing the truth. Now, with those two things in mind, the only people who can actually deliver something where those people who just want to just want to grill, want to watch football, what the beard be called. The only way that those people can live decent lives is of someone who cares about the missing charge. Right. People who would flood their communities with opiates don't care if those people, like that, that's not good for those people. Destroying marriage is bad for those people. Making it so they can afford a house is bad for those people. Okay. Well, how do we get things in such a way that we can be in charge? We can have some agency in our lives. And we can, they start to change things. Well, I mean, it starts with, you know, the first rule of, you know, getting in a group conflict is have some pros. Reach out to the old glory club or an active club or so, whoever it is that you feel most compelled to reach out to, reach out to them because the long wolf dies alone. And If you know what we know, things aren't going to get better. Trump is trying to bring this in for a control like landing gear is stuck and it's moving too fast and Trump is trying to bring it in for a controlled landing. It's going to hurt and going to break a bunch of stuff, but it might mostly be intact and not kill everybody. Who is he going after? USAID? Well, everything related was bad and evil. You know, the entire useless, you know, sheep and equine industrial complex? Well, that's just a money laundering operation for our enemies. Why is it acceptable that there are tens of trillions of dollars of real estate that are just wasting in all of our major cities or decent people could live and work and have families? Why is that okay? Why is that acceptable? Well, I think you know the answer to that. Yeah. You and I know most people listening know and the answer is, of course, that we live in an occupied government. And the first step to unoccupying that government is having enough people with some agency, some ability to do things in their lives, recognize that occupation, and start to organize against it. You know, he's done great work talking about elite theory. Well, you know, the first step to any political fight is having a lead on your side. Yeah. If, um, if the old glory club was about populism, we would just let anybody in. That's not what it's about. And the sooner people figure that out, the better I was listening to, um, Steve Bannon on with Tim Dylan this morning, I made it about 20 minutes. He's just all populism, all populism. Oh, the people this people that we had to do this. No, you know, the people. This is a guy who acts like people will make the right decision if you just give them the proper circumstances. That's where has that ever been shown? I mean, it's been proven wrong in this country because you, they had the chance to be like, no, in 1880, they had a chance. No, we're not going to take it. We're not going to bring in this group of people who has been causing problems throughout Eastern Europe for centuries. Oh, no, we'll just let them in. Well, yeah, we'll let them in. Yeah, sure. I mean, so much of a problem that that German Jews who had been here for, you know, 80 years prior, wouldn't even let them into their golf clubs. They were like, we think these people are, these people are a problem. But oh, okay, sure. Yeah, well, just all the pale, all the pale, all the glisians bring them in. Yeah, all the pollocks. Well, and here's the thing about Steve Man. Only sky brings you Disney plus. Let's go. Netflix. I should like great gossip. HBO Max. How's that? Hey, you. We're a family and sky TV. Oh, my goodness. And one subscription, together like never before, for 28-year-old month for 12 months. That's one epic TV lineup. Search Sky TV. New customers only 12-month minimum term requires ultimate TV for more info and TNC, csky.ai. Are you really buying a car online on auto trader right now? Really. I can get super specific with dealer listings and see cars based on my budget. You can really have a deliver. Or pick it up. Mommy, look! I think kid is walking up the slide. Really? Buy your car online, really. Let's go. Netflix. HBO Max. How's that? Hey, you. Oh, my goodness. In one subscription, together like never before, for 28-year-old month for 12 months. Search Sky TV. Is he's lying? And he knows, like you know he's lying, he knows that you know he's lying and he's doing it anyway. Cause this dude's ready for the law. He's read. He's read. He wouldn't back. In the first administration, there were always like, oh, Steve Bannon reads this dangerous stuff like Carl Schmidgen, like he knows he's, you know, he's, he's a former spook. There's no such thing as of course, his former spook, but you know, like he knows. So why do you continue to talk about populism? Steve, who's pulling your strings such that you think you have to justify yourself for like populism of, you know, the multiracial working class. Well, maybe I don't want to be solid oristic with people who aren't my people and don't share my interests and consistently vote against those interests whenever they're given the chance and constantly take from me and their entire middle class is a fabrication of federal government spending and they commit all the violent crime in our country. Maybe I don't want to be forced to be solid or stick with those people. And you know this, I know you know this because you work for Brightfart. And they touch it sort of. And in order to know where the line is and go right up to it, you have to know what's on the inside of the line. Otherwise you would have blended, you'd have blended across it ages ago. So if you're constantly cap dancing on that line, you have to know what's on the other side to not cross it. So why are you lying, Steve? Well, Brightfart, because he's the Israel born in America. I had Tom Luongo on a week or a week and a half ago and he, I told him I said I want you to listen to this episode I did with, you know, Guy was a hedge fund manager Ron Dodson. And I said, oh, he talks in the beginning about how Trump negotiates and what does he listen? What does Rafale? Yeah, Ron runs, runs wonderful. He's going after OS, OS, I and T OS, I and T on Twitter this morning. I told them I said, listen to this about how Trump negotiates and he got past that and he started listening and he's like, you know, he listens to what we talked about right after that. And he got with me and he said, I want to thank you for sharing that episode. And then he went on like a couple podcasts and actually mentioned the episode because what we talked about after that was that the fact that we're the age of consensus politics is dead, which means that populism is dead. We are not in nobody cares. Nobody really cares about what the people want anymore. It's about who's going to get power and who's going to do a thing. And if Trump has proved anything by getting rid of, you know, the cash cows, you know, I said today with him slapping down Zelensky was basically him slapping down, you know, a branch of international jewelry. Him cutting off USAID is a way of basically defunding a branch of international jewelry. And he's doing this without me taking the whole city of London is defunding, you know, like yeah, right? And, you know, Jews are just, Jews are just criminals. Like they're just my fiosy, right? Beaming at me, he was a hard dude, but he's just a my fiosy. Right? He's corrupt. He's, you know, constantly engaging in shady deals. Like, like that's just that's what he is. And they've all been that way every single one of, you know, what was it that the former prime minister who was Dawson's talked about this, the guy who was a former Israeli intelligence who was neck deep in the facade or in the many are a needy in the abstinting. But a good bra. Yeah, bra, yeah, a good bra was it. Yeah. So these people are just criminals, right? The only difference between Congress and your local mafia is who cuts their suits. Right? Strummies talked about this a lot. It's worth, you know, a former senator from Washington state, Henry Scoop Jackson, right? The joke was that he was the senator from Bowie. All through the Cold War, right? We need more appropriations for, you know, like he's just never met, you know, offensive appropriations bill. didn't love because he was Boeing's man in Washington. Well, everybody's that. Everybody you see on Capitol Hill, they're all somebody's somebody. They're all like a walking wall for somebody. They're a mouthpiece for somebody. They're their legal guy, whatever. You know, what you call CBS, a CIA broadcasting system, right? Washington Post, how did Bob Woodward former intelligence operator like go from, you know, junior cover reported to the man on the biggest story in the history of the newspaper. I mean, we basically found out that like Operation Mockingbird never ended. Like, Politico's just a Mockingbird operation. Like, you think Bill Buckley left the CIA to found National Review or do you think the CIA told him to found National Review? Which one? What do you think really happened there? Roth Barth, Rothbard covers that in the trail of the American right, which is basically a pretty good, you know, if you read around the obvious libertarianism and things like that, it's a good history of the Neocons, one of the better history of the Neocons actually. Yeah, it's a wonderful book. Um, but yeah, that like, you think Politico's any different? You think the Washington Post is any different? Like, oh, R.T. is not available in this country because it's, you know, propaganda state media. What do you think it PR is? It's just, it's just state media for shit lips. You know, PBS, it's not any different. The BBC. It's all all like, and the receipts are there. Like, this is, you've been paid by, you know, left wing, Zionists to promote their narrative. And they don't want Western nations to be full of free people who are capable of standing up in their own because they might stand up for themselves against the occupiers, simple as like they didn't want the bath party, keep, you know, in Syria and Iraq, because the Arabs, due to their own civilizational deficiencies, require like a strong man's central central power to like keep organizing them and get them to do anything. So the bath parties couldn't stand because that had enabled Arabs to organize and, and just to throw an interest, country, interest to Israel, just the way that, you know, uh, Governor Shapiro, I'm Pennsylvania, he doesn't want those, you know, white coal miners to feel the organized successfully in their own self-defense, because then they'll, they'll storm Harrisburg like, dude, what's going on? Well, they make it a pose him, so they don't want that. I guess that brings us, uh, that brings us back to, you know, talking about, or if we'd never finish talking about just, um, or it's just a continued, continued conversation about what we do for ourselves. And that's what it's, that's what it's always come to. We can't, as much as I would love to see Trump just absolutely dismantle, you know, the administrative state, sitting here and expecting him to do that or sitting here and hoping he does that, and then hoping it somehow benefits me because I think one of the things that we got strong and on was when we started talking about the PayPal mafia last year, that we were like, oh, you want these guys to be in charge? It's like, um, no, what I'm thinking is there is a quite a possibility that these people don't want me dead as compared to the regiments in charge. And considering some of the things that I know that they, that I've heard that they want to do, maybe there'll be some things that'll line up that I'll be able to take advantage of. It wasn't, oh, we think these people are going to be in there. They're going to be our friends, they're going to be at 100%. No one ever said that, but you know, if you're a, a diet in the wool ideologue who, you know, needs everything to be 100% their way, which you're never going to get, then you hear one thing while we're saying another. Okay, well, Mark, Mark Andreessen is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them. Okay. Mark Andreessen knows that, you know, world without reliable electricity, his billion dollar fortune that's built on computers and technology and we're deadly squat. I don't know what his day to day life is like, but I imagine being able to take a private plane wherever you want and have multiple houses and cool locations is pretty cool. It's kind of nice to be able to like, oh, the Metropolitan Opera New York is doing a lot of travel out of this weekend. And I really like that opera and they've got a really good soprano playing the main part. So I'm going to go. I'm going to go let's see you let travel out on Saturday night tomorrow night. So I could be in Florida, be like, I'm going to go see a lot of travel tomorrow. You call your guy up and you get on your plane in the morning and you fly from Florida to New York and you land at your private airfield. It'll be other really rich dudes go to and then you go to your New York apartment. It's nice. It's quiet and you change and do nice outfit and you go see let's travel out and you go to your nice restaurant after the opera. That's exclusive and you crash nice in your gerk place. And then the next day you fly home to your nice sunny place in Florida in the Keys in the wintertime and it's fantastic. Well, in order for all of that to happen, Mark and Jesus got to have people who are capable of flying his airplane and maintaining his airplane and maintaining the airport and maintaining the roads and maintaining the power stations so that all of that stuff works and maybe just maybe Mark and Jesus wants to be in charge because Mark and Jesus repeated the deal or whoever wants to be in charge because they want to be in charge. Well, guess what they have billions of dollars and they want stuff stuff happens. The Peter theel wants to be in charge of things and he wants there to be functioning electricity because PayPal doesn't work when there's no electricity and so he doesn't have any money if there's no electricity. Well, then I benefit because hey, I like electricity too. Not only am I supposed to need to talk to my buddy Pete, but it means I don't freeze to death. So I'm a fan and what I think these guys have seen is that we, white western civilization, particularly the men, we're carrying such a parasite load that it was going to kill the host and they're like, oh, well, I like being king parasite to use an analogy and I like being the guy at the top of the heap who has my billions of dollars and my nice tech fortune. All of which, you know, they genuinely dump things to earn, right? PayPal is handy. And this guy Bowser revolutionized everything. Elon Musk is no dummy like these people are genuinely doing things, but what they've exposed is just how much of everything else was dragging us down. Millions and fake social security millions of fake social security numbers, millions of billions of dollars and fake influence ops. You know, 10% 10% of the country is working at some sort of nonprofit that is mostly just a government money laundering operation. You know, you and I talked about the teachers unions in our in the series on race weren't high school. That's just a money laundering operation. It's funny when when I started reading that book and I think I'm I think I re-released it recently or I'm getting ready to re-release it the in the big file and everything. You know, we didn't realize we were just going to find out about, you know, a bunch of kids, you know, a bunch of kids, quote unquote, chimping out in high school. And we found out that, well, no, we were going to we were going to read about the Jewish say the Jewish takeover of a public union and and and it laid out exactly how they did it. Well, let's go! Netflix. HBO Max. How's that? Hey you. We're a family. And Sky TV. Oh my goodness. In one subscription. Together like never before. For 28 euro month for 12 months. Search Sky TV. New customers only 12 month minimum term. Requires ultimate TV for more info and TNC's eSky.ai. Really? You can really have a delivered. Or pick it up. Really? Auto Trader. Buy your car online. Really? Let's go. Netflix. HBO Max. How's that? Hey you. We're a family. And Sky TV. Oh my goodness. In one subscription. Search Sky TV. I mean, that's the craziest thing about that book is you're like, oh, okay, well, you know, blacks are beating people up doing drugs and raping teachers. Oh, wow. I did not know that. No, I kind of knew that. I just never really seen it spelled out in such detail. But what we really found out was we found out why nothing was ever going to be done about it because a heist was happening. Right. Yeah, because Randy, Randy Whitegarten or is the, you know, AFT head, right? And she's a Jewish lesbian, Mary, do a rap, what Mary, do a rabbi or something. And basically, right? It was just a USAAD scam. Right? They're going to take a bunch of decent people's tax money. They're going to splash it out to all their friends. And those friends are going to be like, well, you know, you just gave me a thousand bucks. I'm going to give you $100 back to continue to splash out that money for me because, you know, I'm getting, you know, some resolve huge, you know, and they knew it was going to, I'm like, it make it read an actual aerial table in 1976. They knew it was going to bankrupt the state of New York, you know, 50 years from now in the 2020s. They didn't care because they were getting paid now. It's like, well, you know, again, Peter Thiel, Mark and Theresa, not dumb guys, they read that actual aerial table and said, oh, well, if we want to live in a society that functions, well, enough that we can enjoy it and do things like go to nice restaurants and go see the opera and go see, you know, the symphony orchestras and have nice houses with, you know, functioning electrical systems and clean water and all that stuff. Like we're going to have to put the ship right. Does it know whether it'll lead around to do it? We said for years, hey, maybe you should fix this, maybe you should fix this. Well, going to hold, you know, old cocaine mitch whose wife was the former transportation secretary who is a from an oligarchical Chinese family. She's not really interested in fixing America. Well, why not? Well, because she doesn't, because she's not American. Elaine Chow is not an American. Why was this prison, you know, this transportation secretary under W. Bush. Why are all these federal judges who aren't Americans being put in place where they can like block the Trump administration and say, well, I mean, I'm not an American and my wife works for, you know, an open borders in J.O. but I'm going to tell you guys how your constitution works. What? No, like this can't work. It will not continue to function. There's probably 100 million fraudulent illegal immigrants in America. If you, if rounding up, like it might be 80 million, it might be 75 million, but tens of millions. This is certainly that many. If you include their offspring, who shouldn't be citizens, right? But our, because our temporarily are because of our ridiculous system. And we've been to a public emergency room lately. They're unusable. The streets look like the dark side of the moon. Yeah, if you're anywhere near a city, it just looks like an airport in Africa. Yeah. And so no matter what, right? Trump just telling us, let's get hate like we can't do business like this. I'll believe it when I see it. Well, whoever's pulling down Trump's strings understands that we're at the end of the runway. There's no more room. Now, the national debt interests on the national debt exceeds our defense spending. And that was already bloated by three or four times too much. Basically, at this point, what we're hoping for is you're just hoping for more of the rot to be cut away because the more rot that's cut away, the more opportunity that we're at. That is for you. The more change is removed. Yeah. Well, I mean, people need to understand. There's too many people looking at this and I get them coming into the comments on my live stream or leaving comments on Twitter. They're all willing to do something as soon as everything's perfect. It's not ever going to be perfect. So you have to be able to recognize opportunity when it presents itself and it's presenting itself right now. Things are being put in place now. We may have a quote unquote correction coming in the market very soon. So I don't know if that's the place you'd look. Now when everything goes down, if you have some extra, you might want to ride the way back up. But no, what I'm talking about is I'm talking about tangible goods, employment, starting your own business. All of these things, starting a family going and seeing if you can find some land somewhere and it doesn't have to be, make sure it's not in the, it doesn't have to be in the greatest zip code. We've been sold that. Some place where you're comfortable, some place where you're safe. All of these things can be, all of these things can, should be had, you should have been able to do this under the Biden administration if you had your head on straight. But now a lot of that rot is being torn away. And if you're just sitting there and you're complaining and you're like, well, I don't want to do anything until everything's perfect. Well, that's not going to happen. So you're just going to be lost. I used to think like that. Well, why should I even bother really trying when, you know, if you own a house, you never really own it because of property taxes and the more money I make, the more income tax I'm going to pay and everything. And I mean, that's just a loser mentality. It's just a, it's just a loser mentality. And I hear it, I hear it all too often. And it's one of the reasons why I ran away from libertarianism because you'll hear that. I remember in 2021, people were complaining about, you know, it's like, oh, well, what do we do? And Matt Erickson said, make more money. And immediately I, there was like five comments saying, oh, so that I can pay more taxes to pay for the war in Yemen. Yeah, it's like, look, so you have more power, dumbass, because money is power. That's why. I mean, the people who don't want to win, just don't want to win. And you can't help those people. So leave them behind and do whatever you can to help yourself and those that want to help you and those that also want to win. Yeah, you know, when Thomas, people still contact me all the time and go, when Thomas says, you know, we're not jobless witnesses, we're looking for a van guard. What does that mean? It means exactly what it means. It means that we're putting information out there. And I know that a lot of the people listening to this don't want to be a part of the van guard. They're looking for information, they're looking for education, whatever can help them. But you know, one of the good things that has come out of this show is a lot of people joining the Old Glory Club and us getting to meet a lot of young people who are eager to be elite. They want to know how to do that. They want to know how to get power. They want to know how to get that's what this is all about. You're looking, it goes back to the whole what we were talking about of populism. Not everybody's going to be able to, you know, it's one of the reasons why Jesus said you'll always have the poor. Because some people are just not going to want to do for themselves. They'll always find an excuse to not. And yeah, I mean, what we're doing, what this was always all about was. trying to lift people up who want to be lifted up. And now some things are being, some rot is being stripped away. They might even be able to make it a little bit easier so that you can maybe some regulations will be gone. It'll allow you to do things that you would, you never thought about doing. - So right now, if you're a white man under the age of 30, you've been hiking with a bunch of other people's food in your backpack and expected, you know, when it's time to stop the camp, you're expected to hand them their food. Well, what the Trump administration has just done, said, "Well, you don't gotta carry that anymore." You can hike farther and faster and take care of yourself more when you're not carrying other people's stuff. Now, if he actually does it, or if it's just all talk, we'll see this Epstein-Breg Poole was pretty disappointing, but nevertheless, he's exposing the rot. And that might give people the moral courage to understand just where we're at. I don't know if that's his play, I don't know if that's their plan, I don't know what the ultimate goal is. But I know for a fact, that no matter what happens, I'll be better off if I find guys that I know I can trust that are also working to improve themselves and improve their own situations as I'm trying to do it myself. So no matter what, like there's a wonderful old prep blog probably from the 2010s, it used to call the Woodpeyle Report, called the gentleman called himself Old Remus. I said, "If a prep doesn't make your life better, "and general, it's useless." So having a case of memories, good idea. Spending every last dime you have to have a year's worth of memories, bad idea. No matter what you're doing in your life, if you don't have any debt and you're in good shape and you're looking to network with bros, like do the any of those things make your life worse? No, of course not. That doesn't mean you're putting together like a mad Max, a block of lip squad, I mean, maybe. But like being in shape and having friends is like not a bad thing no matter what. So just do it. Do the prep that makes your life better no matter what? Instead of just endlessly, just suppose it's a little bit hypocritical guy, you know, guy who does a bunch of podcasts, telling people to stop just endless, US Family Podcasts, but go out and do something. You know, use this knowledge you've been given. But, you know, those of us who give it to you do and curcrate risks to do it. You know, not only do you, should you use that knowledge to improve your own life, but, you know, support the people that support you and go to freeman million of all slash support to enable Pete to, you know, keep doing this so that you have more and more of a larger network. Because right now, if you're an OEC guy, you can go just about anywhere in America and find a bro. And within a year or two years from now, I would be very, very surprised if there weren't OEC guys in every state. At least getting chapters up and every state up and running because I believe we do have OEC guys in every state now. Spiritually, you know, we just, we're doing this officially. So, yeah, I got to cut it there because I got another one coming up this afternoon, but I do appreciate you coming by. And I, you know, I really hope people got the message today that, you know, there are some good things happening. You will be disappointed. It's politics. You have no control over it. You're going to be disappointed. Suck it up. Keep going and do what you need to do to take care of you in years. And, you know, don't buy into this lie that collectivism is socialism or communism. And then when you say that, people are like, well, no, only if you use a state, no, if you're local and you get one of your people elected, I mean, one of our people is a state's attorney right now. One of our people, like a bunch of our people are working in this administration. You know, and that's, that's something, that's something to celebrate. If, if that can happen, there's no reason why your local area you guys can't get together and take over and, you know, defeat the enemy in your local area and try to work on making it what you want it to look like, what you and your people want it to look like. So I'll end on that and I'll give you the last word if you have anything. Nope. Just, you know, support the people that support you. You know, pretty bad. Me on the walls last support, right? I appreciate that, man. Well, thank you. And until the next time, take care of yourself for it. Thanks, man. Welcome, everyone back to the Peking Nino show. I have two frequent beloved guests here today. So Thomas, how are you doing? And well, thanks for inviting me. D how are you doing? I'm fantastic, man. Thanks for having me back. All right, D. This was your, this was your idea for a conversation. So have at it, man. I mean, Kasa, Su Kasa. Thank you so much. So everyone should totally check out, I mean, everything that beaten Thomas have done together, but the Mosley series, in particular, I found really fascinating just because, you know, Mosley series of cultural milieu with us. And I think episode four or five, you guys talked about the fascist international conference, the first one, first and only one. And we mentioned all the different nations that were there. And if you haven't read Paul Gottfried's Fashes and the career of a concept, I think it's a really good book. Despite, you know, Dr. Gottfried being of the tribe, I believe he's an honest man. And it got me thinking that, you know, in 1916 at the Somme, if you've gone back a century to the Congress of Vienna, where Napoleon was, or the, you know, hop a recently called it a gentleman's piece, right? You have this where despite firearms, most of the people in the world were still agricultural peasants. And despite advances in things like reap the McCormick, reaper binder and the 1850s, or improved yields and crops and other things, right? Like an agricultural peasant from like a Roman Latifundia would fundamentally understand, like a guy who was growing food in Mississippi in like 1855. But in the 19th century, between the Somme and Vienna, you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning telecommunications. And telegraph and the telephone, I mean, just literally everything in normal life, everyday life changed 100%. And in a very weird way, like World War I represents like the death of the old world. And fascism is this opportunity. There's like there's three kind of semi coherent ways to deal with this new change world that happens after the war, after the great war of capitalism, bolshevism and fascism. And really, to me, the only one that actually kind of makes coherence, it's like human beings as they are that have particular loves and attachments. And to, you know, it doesn't destroy religion, whatever fascism was the one coherent way to actually address all these changes without like just air rejecting them entirely. There are people who will, you know, larp is Catholic monarchist or whatever. And like we just need to go back to the way it was in the 13th century, like that's a nice thought, but that didn't happen. So I couldn't think of anybody better than Thomas to like actually elucidate how fascism was. It's just very real attempt to grapple with the world as it now found itself. And I think that people need to understand that like those are your alternatives, right? You can have bolshevism. You can have today a, well, user is capitalism, or you can have some sort of state socialism. And that's it. So. Well, it's also, it's important to consider, I think. I mean, I invoke the term capitalism because just for intelligibility and people like Shumpur, they invoked it for the same reason, even though he didn't think that it was, um, particularly useful as a descriptor in absolute terms, but like the important thing to keep in mind is that the new deal revolution, it was a revolution. what happened in Germany in 1933 or what had happened in the Soviet Union. Okay, like it wasn't, Roosevelt wasn't just this guy who was like, "Well, you know, there's a structural crisis underway, so we need an executive to step in and, you know, and kind of manage the crisis situation." Like the new deal was this top-down ideology of retooling the entire way of living of millions and millions of people. And I make the point again and again that, like, what became the civil rights revolution, you from this to believe, that started under Roosevelt, like, forced racial integration, this kind of trying to forcefully strip people of their humanitarian characteristics. You know, that was one of the kind of secondary imperatives that military draft was the kind of conditioned people towards those imperatives. You know, so it wasn't, it wasn't just kind of like neutral administrative apparatus that was implemented, but that also, you know, had sort of like a war-profit here sensibility, you know, in terms of. Only Sky brings you Disney+ Let's go! Netflix I should like, great gossip. HBO Max How's that? Hey you We're a family and Sky TV Oh, my goodness. In one subscription, together like never before, for 28 euro month, for 12 months, that's one epic TV lineup. Search Sky TV. New customers only 12 month minimum term requires ultimate TV for more info and TNCCSky.ie Power of political affairs. So that's fundamentally important. And it's not in these people with very much a gson, the communist. I mean, that's why they. It wasn't just that they hated. The fascists and the national socialists. And it's not just that they were sympathetic to Zionism. Like first and foremost, I. Roosevelt himself didn't particularly like Jews. I mean, that's just a fact. Like his primary sympathy was for communism. You know, like. In the view of people like him, you know, this is an inevitability, this is the way the world is going. You know, and for context too, people do this a day. They still talk about guys like Burnham as being Neocons. Because, you know, in the 1920s, they would. They would band these socialist ideas. People don't understand it ontologically. Every single person thought that way. Because there'd been a total collapse of the nascent world economy. And in the absence of information tech, that situation is unmanageable. Like, laissez-faire is not possible in the true sense. If there's no such thing as situational awareness up to the moment, you know, really the situation kind of endured until the late 1980s. Like the reason now, like there's not true economic crises. I mean, part of that is structural and part of that is to do with. The deep integration of capital. But the prime of really is the elimination of uncertainty. Like, I can tell you right this moment, like what's happening in European markets. Okay, even like 40 years ago, 30 years ago, I wouldn't know for hours, you know. And then in 1920s, I wouldn't know for days. So, this idea that people, you know, who weren't inclined towards a new deal of rhythm or towards communism or towards utopian socialism, whatever, they were just advocating status models of the planned economy or whatever, or that they were like banding and keying the zone. They weren't doing that because, like, they had some ethical disposition in that way. It's because that's the way every single person thought. You know, if you started talking about laissez-faire economics, people would have looked at you like you were an idiot or a crazy person. Like, how would that even have worked? So, there's that. I tend to agree to change gears back to the main subject matter because I was kind of a tangent. I generally agree with Ernst and Oldtie. I think fascism, like, true fascism, as it emerged in Italy. It was a radical tendency. It was as much a radical tendency as communism was. It just didn't have the same political orientation, obviously. Had a lot of that was born a future shock. You know, but also the international situation had to do with it. You know, I make a point again and again, one of the reasons. There's the alibi of conservatives and other midwits that, oh, you shouldn't be too hard on Churchill because the UK had to prevent the ascendancy of a rival power in Germany. That was dead. Like, cabinet warring and, you know, this kind of sensibility of, oh, we've got a. we've got a. we've got a strangle geo-sortee-cheeked rivals in uteroed, like, preserve, you know, our ability to manage these captive markets and things. Like, that died in 1914. You know, by the time of the Great Depression, this superpower era was emerging. You know, so Japan and Europe and Germany specifically, but I mean, I say Europe because the axis wasn't just Germany. That's a misconception that this was some German nationalist enterprise, but Japan through what they called the greater Asia-Covid Prosperity sphere and Germany slash Europe would become superpowers. They would perish, you know. And, you know, I put it to people who invoke that sort of ethical alibi that I just invoke. You know, the UK obviously lost the war and it became like a third-rate power. You know, that's now like, overrun with aliens. And is, you know, quite literally irrestriping on. So, like, obviously, like, that victory was the most pure victory that's ever been had. Yeah, mostly was completely correct, right? Like, we had to secure the empire. We're going to lose it, you know, just to briefly bring up like Denizio's cult of speed. Right. We didn't have paved roads until like 1820. Macadam didn't invent the process till 1820s. So, think about this. Roman transportation in like the first century was the best roads got until the mid 18th century. And 40 miles an hour was the fastest any human being went. Yeah. Well, more than like a second or two and live to tell about it for centuries. And as you pointed out, right, like, there's was just no alternative. Well, the two key, the two key, the two key aspects of future shock that translated that in both informed and where they can't list for and. And we're most significant to the political situation. It was a, it was the crisis of labor and it was the military and strategic situation and the emergence of of a war tech, devastating war tech at scale. And also what's significant is that massive warfare at scale basically never ever happens. So the 20th century, the fact that this became the reality constantly that's completely abnormal. Those conditions happen maybe once every thousand years. And obviously the again, the war tech that emerged in scale capacities, that was totally impressive on it. But also, I make the point to people a lot, you know, the crisis of labor and the fortunes of millions of people being bound up with labor imperatives. People can't conceptualize that anymore. That's the reason why I'm always telling people don't use the term working class. There hasn't like the last of it, instructional terms went away in the early 90s. Like we say working class, we don't meet people with jobs or like guys who do work. We're talking about millions and millions of people doing pretty much the exact same job in factory settings. They're almost all young. They're almost all men. Their jobs are dangerous. They're very, very low wage. There's basically no room for advancements. It's a totally urbanized setting for this kind of labor. That is the working class. Okay, it's conditions that don't exist anymore. Really anywhere on this planet, like even in places like China where these is like mass like apple factories. I mean, don't be wrong. Those people have like a really brutal life. They don't have like the right to organize or anything. They're very much exploited. But there's different than what we're talking about in the early 20th century. That's the ideological soil, if you will, from where the communist emerges. If you read up in Sinclair's The Jungle, which I think is a great book. I know socialist Sinclair was, but what he describes in the Chicago stockyards, that's the way that it was. Every day people die on the job. Going to your job is going to work. There's always many want to work. If you age out of the ability to physically do your job, if you get injured on the job, you'll be thrown away garbage. There's a hundred other men who want to do your job or younger stronger and will do it for half of what you do. Why do I need you? That's the working class. There's an ontological aspect to it. People emphasize a lot the fact that these people have been poverty, often grinding poverty, and in the cities that were dirty, dangerous. These people have been ripped out of their natural patterns of living in rural and semi-rural environments to go work there because they had to survive. But also there's an ontological aspect. One of the younger is younger dealt with this directly and they're arbiter. In a lot of his fiction, the pro-tags or some of the secondary characters, they're great war veterans. You find themselves in factory environments and those experiences, they bleed into one another. They're fighting with these dangerous machines to earn a policy wage as being in the trenches again. It's not just an accident. There's not just a flex that these guys on the street in Viamar who fought under the Communist banner called themselves a combat group in the working class because that wasn't it's verbally. Those conditions are psychologically devastating. You're forced into conditions where it's like I've got to do this dangerous dirty job, otherwise I'll die. I have no recourse. That's what underlay all revolutionary impairs, including fascists. Moose-Linus background in the Communist movement. A lot of communist said and a lot of left revisionist say today, it wasn't going to take some cynical ploy. I'll start dying. This guy's of national racial pride or something. Moose-Linus believed everything he said. He wasn't putting on his ears with defining the fascist movement. He was a movement of workers and soldiers and artists. It was also responding to tendencies like the action of friends who were very much reactionary. Moross himself was an atheist and very much a 20th century modernist. He believed in the Roman Church. The Roman Church had retained a fundamental role in French political life. He believed in the monarchy. These things were essentially the sovereign authority and symbolic psychological aspects of culture. Moose-Linus was a spiny that had large parts. That's nonsense. We're done with that. Moose-Linus didn't oppose the monarchy. He part of that was tactical. Part of that was he thought those kinds of things were important. It's a matter of like Latin heritage and stuff. The national fed is party. It was largely responsible. The national social and German workers party was very much like a synthesis of those things. Not entirely consciously. It was a discursive process. I think that's the way to think about it, frankly. Let me jump in and ask a question here. When you look at the 19th century, what the 19th century basically being a. You had seminaries who were formally reformed adopting Darwinian models. Basically the metaphysical has gone away. How much of an effect does that have just basically. On the culture we know what it does, but how much of an effect does that have on the political culture even outside of like Marxism? Yeah, it's tremendously impactful. That's one of the two things. It was the death of metaphysics and things that were. Things like they transcend and aspects of the culture. But also people took for granted that religion is dead. That kind of thing is value. Nobody believes in that anymore. Human affairs are reducible to the material and the biological. That's what it's like a lot of racialism. I wrote a whole essay for my dear friend, Giles, who wrote it as the asylum-mig. I wrote an essay for it that he asked me to because people have this idea that this kind of racialism was some German obsession. That's the way everybody thought. America was probably the most avidly racial eugenicist country that existed then. I mean, people thought that way in England, in Japan, in France. This idea that the reason humans behave the way they do culturally is because of your race. I'm not saying it. Race is a real thing. I'm not saying that. But it's not your DNA or your blood as they thought in those days doesn't make you act Jewish or act German. That doesn't make any sense. But in those days, everybody thought that way. Honestly, that's why these internet guys. There's an ethnic component to any sectarian belief structure. Obviously, Judaism is an ethno as well as a sectarian cultural structure. But these weirdoes like Bainian, Jews are race. Nobody thinks that way anymore. That's why people thought in the 1920s, like I'm both sides of the divide. You're Jewish because you have this kind of blood. If you're a peon or a idiot and like, or a Japanese, you know, your blood makes you behave this way. Like, that's not the only things are. Let's go! Netflix. HBO Max. How's that? Hey you. We're a family. And sky TV. Oh my goodness. In one subscription. For 28 euro month, for 12 months. One epic TV lineup. Search sky TV. Requires ultimate TV for more info and TNCC sky.ai. Like the Darwinist nonsense. You know, like, Darwinism is nonsense. I don't know if people on the right can't like what they go with this. This is much, it's as much like an enlightenment. You know, kind of secular humanists lie is the rest of it. You know, you're not some like, you're not some like, you're not some like, you're not some like a meat robot like running a program. Like it's not what a race is. You know, like, yeah, there's a biological aspect to it with it. You know, but no, that, um, that's why, uh, that's why people, the kind of cherry connect. They'll look at something like some guy like, uh, some guy like Serrano, sooner or, um, somebody like Mussolini or somebody like, get off Hitler, like set or, er, wrote about religion. You like these guys hated religion. It's like everybody thought that way. You know, and honestly, like people like Hitler, Mussolini, they had like a softer view. I mean, Priscilla Cymes wanted to literally like, murder people who are, you know, still cling to the old ways. Um, but, uh, you know, the, the, the national souls isn't the fascist. I mean, they said that they're views of, of, uh, religious, that he's seen punitive. Which, and it gets a little weird. I don't think they did. They were like, look at, look at the kind of say, it's like him or got lab burger, like burgers talking about how like, yeah, you need like cult. And like, among Islamic allies, we need to like cultivate. They're like belief in like an, an orthodox and Roman Catholic territories. We got to like cultivate like religious belief. They were doing the opposite of anything. But it, um, like cynical is that we have better not, like the point being, it wasn't even like, for a lot of people, it wasn't even like, it was a value neutral thing. Like, this is the way it is. People don't think that way anymore. You know, so why would we talk about that stuff? If it's irrelevant. Good day. Well, I, I, this is all gold. I do think that it's important for listeners to remember that in the span of like three generations, like, um, done, Ab, it was actually good at this. Um, if you, um, You were like a poor peasant and you needed a job. You could go to the local burger, the local bitter, the local, you know, gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe, right? Before 1914, you'd be like, "Hey, I need a job." And he'd like, "Oh, well, I guess I could use another gardener, another this and another that." And you know, between the revolution in industry and the revolution in the war, right? That killed that. For a lot of reasons, like the entire upper crust of Britain, of France, of Germany, like they all died in the trenches. Russian, the entire aristocracy, but it's all white all across Europe. And the natural leader class just basically got slaughtered in 1914 to 1918. So the, and I was incorrect earlier, it wasn't an Inzy on the count of speed as Marinette I'm sorry. But that brutal work environment that you talked about, and you know, the, effectively the factory we know different than the trenches, was there any like precedent for this in history that we know of? I mean, like I, I'm, I'm struggling to find with some kind of parallel here where like the entire economic, social, religious, you know, sociological, familial, fair, paradigm, just they all just shattered. There is no parallel. I like despite the point that like only moron say history repeats itself, it absolutely does not. You know, like only idiots think that. What's considered this man? The Ford motor plant. I mean, Henry Ford was a great man and in part because he, he humanized labor and he, he did, he took, he wrote measures to elevate the codial life of his workforce. So that's, that's relevant, but just in overall terms, but my point is the Ford motor plant employed 100,000 people that that's utterly insane. Like literally tens of thousands of people working on one site and thousands and thousands of men literally doing the same job. But that's also like general strike could bring the economy to its knees, you know, because these value added manufacturers, you know, they, if you get a halt production on them, you know, they, you know, there was no business was being done. You know, it wasn't at all like today. And when you're talking about what are you talking about a true working class where you have, you know, people integrated with productive machines like literally, you know, all doing the same job, they become part of that machine and they can, they can stop that machine. And like that's why that's also why a scab labor became a thing because you can, if you've got like a, if you got like a young man literally with a strong back, if he can physically handle it and endure it psychologically and physically, you can teach any strong young guy to do this job. Like that's part of, that's part of what was critical to this paradigm is that we're talking about physically very difficult, but unscilled labor. You know, you basically, you know, it's like a labor army. That's why I'm sparingly talked about how the city is a barracks because urbanization at scale, that's why it doesn't make any sense anymore. And like since the 70s, when the federal government stopped bailing out cities, which is a huge deal under the Ford administration, jail Ford. Like the whole, the, the mayor's scramble is going to like find a way to like make cities profitable because like they don't make sociological sense. You know, I mean, I think cities are important for sociological and historical reasons, but they exist. The reason why cities exist is we know them is as worker barracks, you know, and finding a way to make them profitable when that paradigm went away. It has been a very difficult thing and it's still, it's ongoing. Something you said there that just triggered something right in my brain was about general strikes. And you know, a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why you ship your, you ship your manufacturing over to China is because, you know, it's cheaper to manufacture there and ship back here than it is to manufacture here. Yeah, you also don't have a chance, there's no chance of having a strike in a shutdown. Yeah, it's a deal. Like you're throwing jail. Or you'll be sure. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Right. Well, or sabotage right? Like think about the average Ford plant today. How many billions of dollars in human or in capital is there at a Ford plant? You know, every robot's probably 25, 30, 40,000 dollars or more. I have no idea, right? More like I worked at a machine shop. It's my first job. And there was these machines that literally have been made in World War II that were valued at like 75 to 75 or $100,000. It's insane. Yeah, go ahead. And that was the number of years ago. So they're probably even more now, right? So you talk about an army of labor. Well, armies can go towards the other guy or they can mutiny. And so like if they, your workforce mutinys and they destroy a bunch of your stuff or sabotage any of your stuff or and it doesn't even need to be much, right? Like if one of your lades is like a 10th of a degree out of spec, like every single part it puts out is going to be wrong. And when you have to have tolerances of thousands of an inch to an order for something to work, like think about how crazy it is. Suck on my friend Sandbatch about this. Like if anyone understood what a car is, it's a it's a it's a metal tube filled up with highly explosive volatile gasoline. And you light it on fire and you go down the road at 90 miles an hour. Like, like that's crazy. And in order for that not to like just fall apart or break, you have to, you know, you have to have very tight tolerances and we're not talking airplanes, which are even tighter or you know anything like that. This is just cars and they have relatively loose tolerance is compared to something like a airplane or a little on anything involving space. So you've got these where you have everything has to be up to spec. No, 100%. I also had to talking about the labor situation and the radicalization of the laboring classes, as well as world war one and managing conflict at scale. You know, this kind of thing, it's like trying to ride some out of control animal. Like this idea that every step of the way the stuff can be controlled or that there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're in an executive role, you can somehow put the brakes on things like that's nonsense. Like these things get out of control rapidly. And trying to bring a labor rule that are in control or trying to end, they're trying to bring a conflict to, you know, to cease fire as was the case in like 1916, 1917, that's almost impossible. You know, like once these things start, they can't really be stopped. They have to run their course. I mean, that was the case if you're talking about, if you're talking about some local lord in the 1500s, if you're talking about a national state of 80 million people involved in a war that's rapidly becoming mechanized, you know, where 20 million men are mobilized fighting it. It's impossible to stop it. You know, and that's why, and the leadership element was uniquely ill suited to do that. You know, I mean, the point again, again, is the reason why Hitler actually personally hated very few people. I mean, he wouldn't have gotten very far as any certainly wouldn't have become the most single powerful man in the world. If he said around hating people, he hated the Kaiser, Wilhelm, and many, many veterans did as they should have, because he was a piece of shit. And Hoveg was the real Hoveg and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury Empire. We're like the real heroes, the central powers in my opinion, but I'm both understood that if this war begins, we won't be able to stop it. You know, I mean, while the Kaiser was carrying on and he was like some kind of money, Python character or something, it's like oblivious to these things. I mean, as we're like a lot of his counterparts to be fair across the continent, but, you know, the German Empire was a mixed system. I mean, it was, you know, the Bismarcky and system. There was a genuine separation between state and government. But at the end of the day, I mean, the Kaiser and ultimate war authority. You know, I mean, people, the general staff, the Reichs consular, you know, these guys had a lot of power. And they had independent power to negotiate within reason, but I mean, it was in the hands of the Kaiser and like if you got some If you got guys, you know guys who were born in the mid 19th century Who've been kind of coistered within palace walls like both physically and conceptually and a Modern mechanized war is in their hands like that. That's that's a nightmare. You know, I mean, so that's part of it Yeah, well a good You were talking Hitler was born in 1889 and Mussolini was 1883 I believe right so they were young men when like The world had changed in a crazy fashion But you all the guys you've mentioned, you know the Kaiser was born in what 1853 I want to say I can't remember but you know like the 1850 like he was an old man by 1914 and He was a literal prince right so he's in this He's never had to work in an industrial even the kings of France who you know quote him worked for letting where they were taught a trade as part of their Reginald duties right they were they were never taught like okay Be careful don't stick your finger in this you lose an arm like that was never a thing that any of these people ever had to deal with I think Primes Joe was supposed to an exception and he was he was probably olderly by the onset of hostilities, but he Primes Joseph He'd regularly fast. He slept on a military cot He like would forego luxury. He was a career soldier like even when he was out of active service like he'd still like worry Uniform every day like he he didn't like having a like legal finery, but yeah, go ahead generally Yeah, that's he was the exception that proves the rule. Yeah, well he's he's a There are people who want to canonize him. No one of Catholics Particularly who want to canonize him because he was just such a he tried so hard to stop this on you know And you as you mentioned like it had a momentum all its own Where like no one could stop it, you know like perhaps in 1913 like of all the cousins had met and been like this is insane Like if they've gotten together and perhaps done a demonstration like this is what a modern machine gun can do I'm like how do a bunch of cow was in the field or something and watch that that's critical to like after Waterloo there wasn't a real European war like there was the the Frank oppression war which was like a But which was was like an incredible victory. I mean, so I put the Prussians on the map um, and there was there was the Crimea but the Crimea was like very much restricted to localize theaters But there you know there wasn't a real like modern war there was guys and the guys who served the And as mercenaries in the war between the states and America like some of them tried to send the alarm bells Like look like this is gonna be a slaughter, but yeah, they People had no idea what like modern war tick was like because they'd been a century since most people have been exposed that kind of thing And another thing so much too. I mean Yeah, well, that's one of the things I wanted to bring up is you go for you go from the the Frank oppression war to World War one which is less than 50 years and World War one you have planes that are flying around and they're dropping manually dropping bombs out of them And then just less than 20 years later the condor Legion is forgetting lighting cities on fire in Spain. I mean how How do you not? How does humanity and people who are of a High culture thinking people who are looking towards the tunnel and looking towards doing great things How are they not all over the place in trying to figure out an ideology when you in 20 years you go from oh here I'm dropping a bomb out of a plane with my hand to I just let Gwarnock on fire Yeah, no and things like and things like things like chemical warfare I mean, it's not just like poison gas is disgusting and it's It's just like awful to contemplate that's that that's a terrible way to die. But it's the idea that you know I can I can I can fire poison it you like well outside of visual range through like indirect fire um, you know and Within seconds, you'll be like your lungs will throw into pieces and you'll die like choking on those pieces or You know like you'll you'll scratch your you'll you'll scratch most sensitive areas your body But what are you because like a blistering agent is is is like tearing your skin apart? You know like that kind of stuff say it's like something out of like science fiction that be like if guys went toward a Marrow and like the Ivan's or Like the kuthies had like found a way to like launch like a xenomorph at you that like grab your face and then like pop out of your chest Like I mean it's I'm being obtuse, but that's like what it would be like but people just like what the fuck? You know like I That I mean it's not like people were I mean people are habituated to violence Unfortunately very much in those days of a non cool like noble sort what stuff like that is just like The horrors of technology kind of shit. I guess it's my point Like the largest the grand army got was like 600,000 people and that was only very briefly right and then like World War one That's not even I mean That's like casualties for a couple months, you know Yeah, the burn rate is was unbelievable and Let's also to the some of the some of the exigencies that emerge in game theory and like Reese, there's Zena You know by the little the final Cyclone the cold war with his conditions of strategic parity and planning for nuclear war fighting You know you're like you as Commander of a or as part of the command element of strategic nuclear forces your charge of identifying Potential war indicators like before the enemies even started to act arguably before he even understands that conditions are moving towards war, you know, and then you know, you've got to really read those indicators and decide whether to like Reemptively assault or not like stuff like that was though those kinds of Variables already emergent in 1914 and that's why I believe I agree with them AJP Taylor When when the Russian Empire when the Zarya gave the order of mobilized Russia had a two-phase mobilization paradigm and Once it was implemented even if even even if the Zarya or I don't know if the Russian Imperial Army had a general staff or not Whatever their command element was even if you're them and put the brakes on mobilization you know if If I'm if the German Empire and the half-sering Empire like head and assaulted they would have been dead because they were like rolled the dice and been like okay, well Well not mobilizing kind, you know taken like The Zarya like his word but it's like if this is a war room is like we're dead, you know because You don't have forth even if you have forces and being and even if you have like a properly trained An outfitted like reserve system of like able-bodied men They're not like sitting around mobilized, you know, so essentially um It's the equivalent of like de-loathing what if I metaphorically speaking like well You're doing opponent like it has his weapon trained on you You know, so this head I'm sure people listening are gonna think I'm I'm being punitive and mean to the Russians and that Does not look a moral component here. I'm saying like in causal terms when when the Zarya gave the order to mobilize forces The die was cast. It couldn't be stopped anymore When a whole leg approached the French of the 11th hour and begged them to stand down if they had done that um, I Think that that would have no to stay the hand of the Russians Because then they would have been fighting They would have been fighting both the German Empire and the half-spergs On like a single front whereby like the bulk of both forces could be thrown at the Zarya's army, but that's that's a bit abstract, but um Yeah, that's important to consider me and um It played it it also relates to it like I said like like situational awareness particularly as regards the window of decision temporarily You know as to responding to uh world market conditions There's a parallel um Not just a not just a similar not in terms of similarity like structural similarity, but there's a parallel and in terms of causality you know between um military and um geopolitical crises and uh and um and economic Events at scale, you know, and um this is uh these the things that really created kind of like the The late modern state, you know like the managerial state if you will um There's uh as James Burnham called it Um, you know like in some ways we're very fortunate man like I'm not I don't want to pontificate or derail the conversation, but I Yes, but I Especially if you're all not to remember the Cold War. I mean, I was like a little kid and like a very young team when the Cold War is going on, but it was just something you live with. I go to people these days are like compared to even 40 years ago or like unbelievably safe. That's why it's bizarre in the act like a bunch of hysterical women all the time are scared of everything. It's like what the fuck you talking about. Compared to somebody 150 or 40 years ago, you're like unbelievably safe. But it's like, but it's also like you say Thomas, the US military is designed just to fight the Cold War. So is our political, so is our political thought. That's what we're taught. We're just, I mean, our philosophy now is, we're just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy, everyone's out to get us and then it's just come home and now we're fighting the Cold War on our home, on our, on the home front. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. And you'd think that like again, I, you know, the first to admit or first to effectively state that history doesn't repeat itself. But when you're talking about, but I mean, human activity is basically like a closed loop. You know, like there's like limited numbers of like outcomes, you know, and there's like, there's like, there's not like infinite variables of like human behavior. Okay, so there's like arrows. So if you're trying to, you're trying to like identify. If you're trying to like identify potential corsitive action, like in any given like emergent scenario of a political nature, you know, you, you do, you do want to historical record like China flying parallels. I mean, like obviously, particularly on things related to like military questions. The, it's really unprecedented for that, that level, like kind of structural humility. The way like America is, it's like, it's like total inability. It's like a death after November, 1989, like Bush and Baker were a daffat. Which is it's fascinating how like the deep state totally and completely sabotaged like their vision moving forward and globalism. Like I'm not saying you got to think like Bush was like a, like Bush was like a good guy or something. But um, but he deserves. I don't know what he's understates. What's that? His management at the end of the Cold War. How no one got nuked is, I mean, like it's really truly. Yeah, it's a remarkable diplomatic achievement. I'm just. Yeah, the Gulf War coalition. That was the Prussians would envy that like in terms like how the war was executed, but the way he, he corralled literally, you know, the, the Syrians, the Saudis, he had the Soviet Union, which was in its final days then, like sign off in the operation. You know, like he had like, he had a literal like army of the nations like array it against. It's that's completely insane. Like the guy was like a historical giant of a US president in post-war terms, but even if you don't like him, like some guy did their day and the internet was like, you know, Bush 41 was, he was what a great man idiot. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like that that's so like delusional, but um, but no, but the, the total inability of the deep state to manage like the post Cold War environment. And it shows you like how like the rot was deep, like even. People this idea that like the Reagan era was like really based and the government really had shit together and don't get me wrong that cadre that that filled out the Bush 41 administration like James Baker. Casra Weinberg, Lawrence E. LaBurger, like a bunch of these guys like those guys were like. Very serious guys, especially Baker Bakers, somebody I really admire. But uh, the wider kind of a national security apparatus, it was a bunch of goops and and idiots, you know, like I mean people who just couldn't handle, you know, the the the changing of the guard figuratively and literally and and and they didn't want the Cold War to end because like they they were it was it was it was like they see like a condo that moves just like a way of like you know, being able to kind of live off the public coffers and and profit by the ongoing threat of a of a non-Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney just yeah guys like that exactly they just treated the entire thing like this existential struggle. And I'm just old enough to remember like the Cold War when it was serious and I grew up next to you know a military base in the West Coast. And so there were times when I was a kid where like, you know the F 16s would come screaming, you know, off their off their base and like, you know, you knew some serious shit was going down or or something like when I was an elementary school um we'd still we'd have they called them by then emergency drills like you've hemistically, you know like we'd have to we'd have to go to dates like the Bellwood ring like three times um over and over again and we'd have to like go single file to the lower level and then you'd like we like that was struck the reasoning being like it was structurally lower robust I guess and um like every classroom ahead like a number that was posted were like you'd have to and like that for you'd like assemble and then like you'd get down on your hands and knees and you'd duck and cover and like put your head like against the wall and we'd get the whole position for 30 seconds it was oh this is the emergency drill. Yeah well the only emergency you do that in is nuclear war okay and um so this uh I felt like slapping people I mean even not just not not just I mean it gets kids of past like young people I mean people fuckers like my age and older like when the COVID thing was like we've never faced a threat like this I'm like what the fuck are you talking about are you insane? You know like I I I and every other kid in America grew up with the reality you might become counter value nutrition you know I mean like it was the seasonal flu is like an existential menace unlike anything really like it's what that's that's a aggression. Well it is I think a good illustration of just how fundamentally unserious our our elite have become right like I've talked about this on Peacha before and everyone should check out like it's just Dr Johnson on on Twitter years together but like fundamentally this whole Ukraine thing is just because like a bunch of American Neocons are still salty about the hominidsky program program from 1648 I mean that's that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing right and let's know what I mean that the tribe absolutely hates Russia like they agree to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated like just anecdotally I'm I kind of like Ralph back she even though he's like a huge fucking Jew like you know the animator he made this really a movie called American pop and I really like that movie and it's basically about this family it follows it is for generations of these guys like one of them's like this vaudeville performer like one of them is this like piano prodigy it's killed in war two one of them's like this song writer is kind of like a cross between like we read a D. D. Ramon who becomes like this huge heroin addicts and his son then becomes this like this a huge rock star you know like in the 1980s it's a cool movie but it opens up where the costs are like programming like the Russian Jews because like even back to use like this like New York City guys like oh you know the Russians are like you know they're those symmetric bastards like that that's that's literally like their number one enemy they fucking hate the Russians well and I mean to be fair the Russians have no love for them but the Ukraine war is complicated it's it's in large measure it was returning the serve for the Russians and um Assad's forces uh levy in a huge defeat against IDF and they're in their tech fury proxies in Syria yeah yeah but I mean it's all yeah like anybody anybody doesn't understand like they have between Russians and and the Jews as a people like it's not in the game right but but we're you know we're dealing with right both both world wars start over like border disputes in Eastern Europe that heavily involved Jews right and we're supposed to just sit here and like be like this is fine and get more involved in like wait a minute didn't world war one start over a border dispute with slas and well it's just this idea too I mean it's just like the monumental ignorance like I made the point to people before you know like the American left like guys like Peter Arnett and the like in in media especially I mean I thought those guys were terrible people but there was like a consistency to them and you know they they there there there was an internal logic to like their perspective like the American left now like they want to like they they they're basically a shooting section for for like the warfare state like it's bizarre these people are totally illiterate you know like like if the if um you know it's like a scene in the movie colicula which is probably a powerful words like colicula he he orders the Roman allegiance like a salt the seed like conquer like the sidans king or like Neptune I guess is kingdom okay like if Joe Biden had like ordered like the US Marines would take the Atlantic Ocean like these faggot would have been like yeah we hate the Atlantic Ocean they're like racist and stuff like they're they're literally retarded You know like they they couldn't find Ukraine on a map, but it You know and so you're gonna pretend to like care about some other country Ukraine is literally it's it's a failed state-owned or semal you know like run by a literal like homicidal criminal mafia It's like sitting around saying you love like EDM means you got up like you know It's like you really you love Ukraine like I think like there's a lensky mafia is awesome That's like your idea of like a good government that then needs to be defended like it's you can't you can't make this shit off These people are literally insane and they're literally retarded Well and I mean of course you're right, but this this notion that like individual rights or That a a society where you were like weird Devotion to transsexualism as a religious value Absolutely personal autonomy to the point of you know like shedding male and female And you know total Liberation from any kind of That's possible in any kind of society that actually functions right you know these people will talk about like well You're a gender fascist what because I think boys are boys and girls are girls like if if a Galitarian Rousey and liberalism leads you to the point where you think Like cross-dressing is a major political issue as opposed to like a very weird very niche fetish This should be you know Yeah, that's why you're like people I make that point a few all the time It's like don't it's that what the fuck you're doing like arguing with like sexual parapheritics is like There's always people are insane and those on that aren't insane. It's like they're They're basically like they're making fun of you and there be like running it with sabotage You don't like engage people who like stay crazy things that's like arguing with some hobo on the subway with like shitness pants You know like you know It's like I'm not gonna argue with these fucking people. You know like not just cuz I don't argue with my people's enemies, but it's like Yeah, so you just said it's like if you if what you believe is politics is like talking about like parents sexual parapherials like I You know, traditionally like The remedy to that would would be to have you shot Right and with good reason like and this is this is why this is why like you've seen Yeah, I'm not gonna advocate murdering people But I'm also not gonna argue with them and pretend like they have some position that deserves being heard. Yeah Just enough younger than you I think that Like everyone like I'm in my mid 40 so everyone younger than me like has no coherent memory of like a coherent society and Why they're constantly talking about fascism and Why the research and interest today, and I think one of the great services you provide Thomas and I Kudos and plot it's for this, you know in the dark years in the 70s 80s and 90s when all the men who'd actually been there were dying of a old age And there were a few people like yourself Mark Weber a couple others who kept the light alive Around 20 13 or so It was the 2012 election where you know, you had like literally movie star handsome like graying temples Mitt Romney, right? Like you know, he's like the central casting Republican. Now. Yeah, he agreed here. Yeah, you know like Right, but but You know conservatism like they saw that Like it failed like like we lost to Obama again You know like this guy Obviously, wait probably a homosexual like well, he doesn't gonna be soon. Yeah, he's just an empty suit and you know The only crisis he'd done nothing about you know done nothing with that and just he was a tool of banks and Well, you know, it's like this random guy you like it didn't his can is he didn't make any sense it's like if you're gonna Like if you're gonna take I'm dating myself this reference, but people remember JC Watts He was this he was a Canadian football league Jack and he was kind of a public in stoking like black guy He was just kind of like slick black dude always like wore really nice suits and He came up as kind of corny, you know, because he's basically like oh, I'm DC what so I'm like I'm like I'm like handsome and like Hollywood terms like polite black man. It's like okay You're gonna draft a guy like that and like make him and like install him as president like okay Get it or if you're gonna draft some like Spanish guy is like, you know This is like mr. immigrant like Spanish guy who like bootstrapped himself into success and like basically his candidacy like a reality TV show our fake that was like okay get that it's a little bomb It's like here's this random guy who's like From Hawaii, you know, we're gonna pretend these from Chicago and then we're gonna pretend these black like the whole thing was like very And the and brand is weird straight and pretend he's really Yeah, but it may when it's like why it's like why you gonna pretend he's black like why if you're gonna like Actually, it's a common yeah, it's like either draft an actual black guy or make the narrative He's just like citizen of the world colored person like why they made no fucking sense And that's also why the guy's like totally forgotten now because they had no context You know, yeah, oh it's yes. Yes. Yeah connections. That's why we ended up but anyway Now the thing that thing to to think about right is This is where I came in I came in a came into the movement about 20 years ago in after the failure of the Ron Paul revolution and You know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right? How do you deal with this mass society where millions of people are you know turning wrenches in a car factory or millions of people are You know driving to and from work every day millions of people are you know logging into the computer millions of people are doing all these things and you know the coherent Alternatives are like Capitalism as we know it which is which has failed people my age and younger like spectacularly the kind of four houses They can't get married. They can't Save they can't they can't look forward to living anywhere safe. They they're having to live in vans like You know, that was a joke when we were a kid, you know, Chris Froly and then you live in a van Yeah, well now that's like that's like aspirational like oh you live in a really nice band down by the river You know, wait a second like when I was a kid this was like not a good thing and Now like it's all that you know younger like Olders and younger leaders can't afford and so I'm going on for a minute. I mean obviously right when I was a When I was homeless, I mean like much of that was like my own fault and not not saying that like conditions like Mac or looking out conditions made me homeless, but I'd meet like other homeless people and a lot of them Were yeah, they were like young guys and girls where they couldn't they literally I couldn't afford rent or whatever Or like I'm sitting out of mortgage and they had like fucked up parents who basically threw them out. They're like Or like shit heads who like wouldn't let them stay with them. They got on their feet and it was like I'll think I'm like wow, that's terrible But uh, right. I'm gonna I'm gonna raise up in a minute. I don't want to be a broth But I figured I've been going for an hour and I'm still kind of not feeling great We can take this up again Sometime and in the next few days are like in a week if you guys want to make this an ongoing thing I think I think it's been really great, but I just And I have been here to listen to you talk anytime, but I think it's important for the listener realize like You know, there's a reason Like hardcore Bolsheviks after the 2008 crisis like did the Occupy Wall Street thing and then it failed because they were obsession with like DEI stuff and why the researches of influence are interest in In you know fascist alternatives why why there's a bunch of guys who were 30 years old and who stand Hitler is because you've seen the same kind of conditions that you know created the revolution in the first place in Y-MAR like you know the hyperinflation in trainees and like Jews are in charge and Like no, I think young people are awesome like not just cuz I mean young people are the future I mean that's who we should be focused on anyway, but young guys and girls generally they're shit together. That's why like I don't like when people try as consumers because I mean that's that's stupid anyway And like a shitty way to be but um The zoomers have a lot of they got a lot of Dynamic energy and and even like a lot of the zoomers on the left like I was talking to some of these kids um That I I ran across if the if the DNC protest and like other places and like a lot of them They're kind of naive and in terms of their Utopian concepts, but a lot of them are kind of they they really Guys like a manual ballerstein and they read uh like they read serious left wing stuff and they realize that they realize that uh Like pro regime like perverts like our are pieces of shit and like they're there I don't mean. - Yeah, and to give them, yeah, I'm not saying it's great if kids read "Murts and Lenin" but at least that's serious stuff. It's not like regime pornography and like bougie fucking garbage. - No, that's true. And I was talking with a friend today, like the most depressed people in the world right now and for probably the last 50 years at least, have been like indigenous Christians in Israel, in West Bank and Gaza. - Oh yeah, Palestine. - Yeah, and like to give those guys on the left at least credit, they're at least serious about like these people are oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands by this regime. They might call it fascists, they might call it. And there's some truth that was Javitan's game was a fascist, right? The little group found her the little group party. Like, it's basically just stole Muslims, he's known. - So we know, we couldism is like, it's like a pastiche of all kinds of things that don't really make sense in the context is implemented. But yeah, no, there's a, these are amazing times and things are incredibly off the mystic. And anybody who's not, anybody who's not, say they're like addicted to their own, addicted to like the stink of their own failure and misery where they're just like not engaged with, you know, what's happening around them. But no, I think a lot of these, - Yeah, I'll help us close out here. I think just a lot of people to our, their whole stick is nothing is gonna ever get better. And they're just selling it and they're monetizing that. So, all right, let me let you guys, let me let you guys get out of here. Thomas, two plugs and then D, you can promote whatever you want. - Yeah, the best place to find these on my subs deck, that's where all kinds of good stuff happens. It's a real Thomas,777, that's subs deck that come. That's, I mean, that's the place to go. You can find everything I do there, this hyperlinks and stuff to what else I do. So, all media is at capital, REL, underscore number seven, HMAS,777. And yeah, well, we can be wherever you guys want. 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So, thank you. All right, thanks a lot guys. Have a good night. Wanna welcome everyone back to the Picanjana show. So, the interesting thing about this episode is, this episode is a year late. We had this episode planned for July 13th of last year. And then something really weird happened in Pennsylvania, Butler Pennsylvania. And we ended up talking about that. And, well, what better time than on the year anniversary to revisit the subject of the infrastructure of the NSDAP and Germany of the 1930s. And, yeah, especially as our infrastructure is crumbling around us. So, Thomas, are you doing it today? - Yeah, I'm doing pretty well, man, thanks for including me. - Cool. D, how are you? - I'm great, man. It's always a pleasure to be on with you and always a pleasure to be on with Thomas. I've learned with so many guys, man. - Absolutely. - College classes, every single one of you guys is serious. It's serious, college lectures. It really is fantastic. - That's a great problem, thank you. D, this is your subject, man, this was your idea. I'm just going to interject to ask questions. Why don't you take off and go where you want to go? - All right, well, I'll try to keep the autism to a minimum here. But just as a brief aside, I'll give you a brief sketch. The road network in Europe wasn't as good as it was in the time of the five good ancestors. Again, until the late 19th century. And Macatam invented his Macatamization asphalt paving process and I want to say like 1830. So imagine a road network where nothing is paved or hardly anything is paved. And only cities might have cobblestones. And maybe, maybe, maybe, major highways between say, like Rome and Austria might be paved. But that's not normal. Now, I mean, like you can get like lightly laid in carts and stuff, you know, two in front places. But really, like in order to keep the road from turning into like a mud bog, you got to pave it to keep the water off. And the most efficient way to transport any thing is of course, the real water, which is why Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has one real river valley, the pole in the north and it outflows into Venice, which is a decent port only because of the heroic efforts of the Venetians themselves. Right, it's normally very swampy and not a difficult, or a very difficult place to make a living. Only the heroic efforts of the Venetians have made it someplace prosperous and livable. And, you know, France has got six huge river valleys basically. No, we're in the UK or nowhere in England itself is more than 25 miles from water from like a port that will get to get to water. So that's why those two countries were in Germany, were the most prosperous countries in Europe, you know, Spain only has the ebrow. So in a world where like heavy transport has to be done via water basically because the roads aren't up to it. Like how do you develop internally, right? In Germany, it only been united since what, 1871 was that, I want to say, 1979. Right, okay, 1879. So like four years after Uncle is born is, you know, like, you know, is, is where four years before, right? Like this is not, I was born 1889. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I was thinking Mussolini, right? So, oh, okay. Yeah. So, you know, Mussolini is born in 1883, right? He's only 13 years before is when Italy was, was, was, again, a whole political entity. And, you know, Hitler was only like 10 years before, Hitler was born, this when Germany became a whole nation again. So, you have these, what had been, you know, how do you integrate like the kingdom of the two Sicilies road network into the Papal States road network, into the city states and the North Road network. You know, do you have the same standards in Bavaria and Pomerania? How does that work? So, you've got this huge coordination problem that takes forever to figure out. And, at least in the Holy Roman Empire, a big part of what made like little baronies economically viable was their traditional like the tax. So, you'd have these locks all along this river network in Germany where, you know, this baron of this one little spot would charge a toll. There's this massive increase in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the line. There'd be a stop here and a stop here and a stop here. So, improving the transportation network and essentially internal free trade, right? Like what Liz says, right? Internally free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your transportation costs, your friction, right? And allows you to ship things over land between rail, which is 10 times more efficient than roads, that's why the 19th century was the century of just railroad mania, right? The United States, Germany, France, the UK, all over the place, rail was the name of the game. But that rail network, that build out of the rail network allows you to build out the road network because your transportation costs for things like, I don't know, gravel. all the sudden. dropped by 50, 60, 70, 80% when you can throw it on a train. And just as a quick aside, you know, one of the things that the British wanted to do when they, when they've role-pregal purposes won the Scramble for Africa, they wanted to build a railroad that started in North Africa and ended at the Cape. So basically, like they wanted to have like a trans-segarian railroad that like expand Africa, which is totally insane. But it would have been, it probably would have been viable, man, if they could have held it, you know. And if they hadn't detonated their own fortunes, yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. Well, and that's actually part of the, you bring it up, but like there was a conflict with the Portuguese because the Portuguese had Angola and Mozambique, right? And they wanted to, they wanted to trans-African railway to control their, their holdings in the East and West coast. And the British wanted theirs going north-south and they, they almost got it. I mean, I can't remember if they actually finished the African railroad or not. But yeah, that was, the seats of the roads big, that was his big ambition. You know, and some of these roads, roads kind of reminds me of Blackjack Pershing in some ways. I mean, I think, I mean, obviously, roads is more, roads is a certain type. It was one of these, it was one of these kinds of imperialist characters that came up through the crown charter system of wealth management and adventurism. I mean, Pershing was very much, you know, like kind of a logistics and engineering genius and a very effective combat commander. But yeah, these guys are really extraordinary in terms of their, in terms of their intellect. But, and that leads us to, I, if he hadn't had died in an untimely fashion, I don't know what your personal opinion of Fritz Tott is, Thomas. But I am a massive admirer of Tott, personally. Dr. Tott, he and, he and, um, Helmart Shocked. Helmart Shocked is the reason why the UK delegation to the International Military Tribunal basically intervened and said, you know, you're going to cut this man loose because we need him. So Tott was much more a patriot than Shocked was, but Tott and Helmart Shocked were responsible for the economy of the German right, becoming what it was in terms of such that, such that centrally planned efforts. I mean, all banking systems are going to be somewhat centralized. Okay. I mean, like that, that's not an ethical question. It's just the reality. But yeah, I think they're both personages who are essential understanding the, the economics of the German right again. They were both, you know, towering intellects, um, in different aspects of macroeconomic praxis, definitely. So for those of you who don't know, Dr. Fritz Tott was the head of organization Tott, who was the, in please Thomas correct my pronunciation because I'm terrible at this sort of thing. Um, he was succeeded by Albert Schmier, who is the guy who designed the Volkshall, but ultimately turned trader and after the war and, and I have a low opinion of that. Anyway, Dr. Tott goes to, you know, technical university of Munich and gets gets a PhD in civil engineering on, on effectively paving roads. And he is the one who's responsible for the Audubon for the Atlantic wall from, for, for honestly most of, you know, the, the third rights construction projects. Um, he was the, um, Inspector General for Water and Energy, the right minister for armaments munitions. I mean, yeah, that was the key. That's what, I mean, the key really played was as, as our minister, you know, in terms of the war effort and, some of these projects that were essential to national defense, to be clear with the Audubon to it, um, this kind of mass highway system, I raised perishing because, you know, perishing was, um, Eisenhower was a, a disciple of perishing and that's basically where he inherited the idea for what became the interstate system. And like a mass highway system among other things, I had a continent sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy forces and being an event of general war. And that was one of the reasons for the, you know, the Eisenhower expressway system. You know, it's that you can deploy east and west, um, rapidly. And the Audubon obviously, um, when, uh, the Reichs Commissariat, Moscow, and was, uh, realized, you know, it had the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the greater German Reich. You know, the, um, the, the Audubon was going to go from Spain to the Eurls, you know, um, probably so even by call really, I mean, why not? Why not, Vladivostok? No, I think it's important to realize that the U.S. Interstate system is directly, Eisenhower got to Europe, got to Germany, it was like, wow, these roads are fantastic. And basically just stole the plans. And the, the early days of World War I with all the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the logistical problems, right, of feeding people were so ingrained in the German people that they just didn't want that sort of thing to happen again. And by building this network of really good highways, you could distribute the food, you know, if one section's bombed out, you could rebuild that and route the food around. So the problem with rail is it's way more efficient in terms of how much energy is needed to move, you know, a ton of stuff from point A to point B. But you messed that one switching yard or that one track up and you know, the line is cut, whereas the road didn't work. Yeah, comparability too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues. I just wanted to see my real quick too. I've got almost nothing nice to say about Spear, but some of his design concepts, I think, were pretty brilliant. And one of the things he insisted upon and that the fear very much approved of locally, Spear said that, you know, we need to source materials locally as much as possible in building the auto bond. You know, so, and we need to incorporate natural features into things like bridges. So, you know, like a section of the auto bond that, you know, like stretches through the Rhine land or whatever is, you know, gonna reflect the natural environment there and like a local ecology, you know, like did offer, you know, East Prussia and what have you and a lot of these, this had really great optics, you know, and that they can't really, as an imperative priority to the German Roy get, you know, the highest levels they can't be overstated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one of the things he had in common with Spear. I mean, you know, Hitler primary interest was architecture and things, you know, and Spear obviously was kind of a pure architect. I mean, he had, he had, I mean, I stipulated capabilities, you know, that were remarkable. As an architect, he was a genius. Yeah, yeah. Without God. As a political soldier, he left a fair bit wanting. But even if it's a cynic, I mean, I think he, it spears the kind of guy who, you know, he, he finds a way to sit in and self around powerful men and impress them and he doesn't care about the politics and he will do it about face as soon as it becomes a expedient to do so, you know, which he did. Yeah. So Dr. Tilt, right? He dies in a plane crash. He himself won the Iron Cross under the German Empire in the First World War. So, but the internal road network of Germany, I mean, they're still using the same Autobahn that Fritz Topp built in like 1938, right? And, and not only was it a massive internal improvement project, but it's one of the ways that, you know, that the Reich was able to, you know, to kill unemployment in the Reich was just they didn't have trucks. I mean the SS was invading Germany, not invading Germany, invading Russia with mules and stuff because they didn't have enough trucks. Well, because they didn't have the earth moving equipment because they didn't have enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand, right? And you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively low skilled, but they get told like dig this out till it, you know, this this slope matches here. And you could you could have lots of guys using picks and shovels and stuff. And you can build this road network internally that enabled, you know, the Germans to shift entire divisions from east to west, relatively quickly. And in terms of, you know, building the German economy, right? If you're if you're shipping costs go down by I saw something, but the time they were done taking something from the port at Hamburg to Munich, the cost had dropped by like something like 25%. I want to say, but that could just be so that's tickling the back of my brain. But if you're if your costs going from Hamburg to Munich, go that far down, right? That's obviously a massive just go to the internal economy, right? This could be more jobs once you're if you're no longer working on like the Tutt gang, right? Or you maybe you take those construction skills you learned building the the building roads to other projects, which is what how they enter up with the Atlantic wall and you know, like the Channel Islands, Fords and all of these other interesting green line. Yeah, the sick red line, right? Like I'm much later. Yeah. But but right, you have all these experienced personnel. And we know before the call, we were talking right, the notion that like, oh, you know, it's socialism. They're using the government to build all these projects. Does anybody really think that like a backtell or a conco philips or a GM or really a private company? The whole point, I mean, what the reason why the reason why the one thing that the Warsaw Pact excelled at was military hardware, you know, and things like space-fearing vehicles is because obviously like the spontaneous ordering of the price mechanism isn't essential to like building a good tank. And you don't require, I mean, I don't even know if those inputs would be like we're gonna, you know, we're gonna, but we're gonna accept bids on who can like build the best auto-bond. And then we're gonna take a hands-off approach however they want to device it. I mean like a yeah, that doesn't make any sense. And all all capitalism and the industrial era is state capitalism. So yeah, it's, it's not here or there to suggest that there's this like public-private distinction. We're talking about fixed capital, definitely. I think that as you built, or you can probably create, there is no such thing as like, particularly things like roads or canals or anything like that, right? Like the notion that like, oh, this is a private enterprise. Like, no, it's not. It's not. It's one of those things that the libertarians get completely wrong. The free market is gonna build, you know, this highway system. Something you talked about earlier, Thomas, is the aesthetics, right? I have a quote from Hitler somewhere from, I think it's from the book Hitler's engineers, but he said, you know, our roads have to be beautiful. And as they reflect us as a people. And I'm paraphrasing here. The, the, the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler and Tote reflects that German artistic soul that's very ordered, but also has this kind of longing for beautiful things. And yeah, my partner is Harmony. Yeah, yeah. But the interstate highway system in America, particularly as you get west of the Mississippi, is the most brutal utilitarian, like, just like massive project you've ever seen in your life, right? And yeah, we're out 94 things. Right. That one is not beautiful. Right. Well, and the reason it's not, right, is because the Reich was using mostly hand labor and what, what Lentus explosives they did have had to be saved, either for wartime or for something where like you're blowing a whole a tunnel or something, writer or clearing canal. So they just didn't have the, you know, the massive amount of explosive and the personality use it. It just will anneal the way they are. They're really fancy that me. There's this book called Hitler the Power of Aesthetics by this guy named Frederick Spass. And, um, spear designed and built a lot of these projects, um, with an eye for what was called ruin value. You know, and that's, that's why the Germans had certain ideas about, you know, discrete building materials like feral concrete because the ethos was, we've got to think about 3000 years from now. You know, we've got, we've got to have our great worst leave ruins, you know, like, um, that of the Valley, the Kings and Cairo or, um, like the Parthenon or like the Colosseum, you know, uh, this is a deliberately historical enterprise that spans millennia. You know, um, and that's that underlies, you know, very much like the ethos of the right. Can I find that very compelling? Yeah, it does. And just to give you an idea of why that's actually better to, to elaborate here for a second. So the United States after 1947, right, has, uh, effectively what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources. And so they build out the federal highway system and they just make it straight because that's the most efficient. And if there's a little hill on the way, they'll just throw a bunch of dynamite. They've got a bunch of guys who did demo in the war. They can absolutely, you know, just, just blast. So you'll have, you know, sections of road in the United States that are five, 10, 15, 20 miles long, just in a straight line. And as you're driving across like North Dakota, jail, listen, no offense intended to any of our listeners in North Dakota, it gets really hard to pay attention when you're like just going 20 miles straight, right? Even even even an email. He learned for highway hypnosis. Exactly right. So because the Germans didn't have all that access to easy blasting, they had to, we know, roads have to follow the path that is most flat, relatively speaking. And so if you've got to go like and make a slight curve to the left or you know, gently kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more, that's actually makes a better drive. You don't, you don't do things like fall asleep the way you can. Like, you know, if you're driving from I 90 from like Chaitown to, you know, Seattle, right? There's places where you're just going to fall asleep because there's nothing for. We want it to like if you like automobiles and, you know, I always, I don't drive these days, but you know, I was really like, I was really like driving and cars and stuff when I was young, you know, like driving them and working on them and the, you know, these carols shall be designed, you know, that were grand touring designated vehicles. You know, like a touring vehicle, I realized like Ford and all kinds of other American companies took on that designation, but it doesn't make any sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like redwood countries somewhat, but you know, driving, driving a Porsche like around these like winding roads through Bavaria, like through the elves, you know, it's a totally different experience. Right. Yeah. And like, I would, like the only places in America where like a GT type car makes sense is like on the Pacific coast highway or something like that. Yeah. And I've been, yeah, and I've driven them not just one or one, but I've driven these mountain roads through like Oregon, you know, which are like incredible. So don't be wrong. Like America, they've been at the wheel of a, you know, like a like a comfortable like big block, you know, Cadillac or something. Oh, it's a, it's dope. What a, it, um, but it's not at all the same thing as, you know, the European experience and even even, there's this footage like over-Salsber, you know, Eagles and Eston's stuff, you know, like that's a perfect example and there's this footage of what amounts to, you know, they kind of work, what became kind of the war console, but Browsehage was, had been sacked, but this just had to be like, at the latest, like, Brie, really 1942, you know, convening it over-Salsber, or can you see like these, you know, you see these, these like, stately vehicles like pulling up and it just looks like an incredible drive, like, looks like something from another planet or something. Oh, yeah, could you, can you imagine like, you know, like the Mercedes SK and you drive them from Frankfurt, on main, up to Vienna and like one of those bad boys, you know, they're just the, just the aesthetic experience, but because, because they didn't have that ability to just blast right through, the road actually doesn't do the road. Road has noticed this thing where you're going to fall asleep because there's just nothing to do and nothing to do. I've driven through like South Dakota and, you know, like, you got to have somebody like sitting with you to like punch you in the arm so that you don't end up driving off the road, you know. No, it's crazy. You know, I take the ground so much, I see a lot of like, American highways, you know, and, yeah, they're very flat. It's crazy too when you get out of West, like, they hills, the foothills and some of the smaller mountains, they just like blast these huge tunnels through them and when I say, well, kid, they're really like throwing me out because they don't have that here in Chicago, but they'd be out in California and it's like, you're just driving through this mountain tunnel for like freaking, you know, like 45. Yeah, or, you know, driving through this tunnel in the Rockies, right? That is two miles long, you know, but that's, that's something that is, I think, by carrying about the aesthetics, by making sure that everyone had to have something beautiful to be able to look at, something that they can be proud of, it really, you know, you can not only, not only people more likely to maintain it, but it ultimately ends up being easier to maintain because you're not fighting nature all the time. You know, you can drive nature out with the pitchfork as the saying goes, but it always comes back. So how do you, if the road itself, like, is part of the nature, it's not as difficult to constantly be fighting nature to get the road accomplished. Oh, yeah, no, 100%. Yeah. I mean, I'm expressing myself poorly because I'm retarded, but, and by making that something that is the most important thing as you're doing it, to those beautiful roads not only become more likely to be maintained and more likely to function longer, they also become an advertisement and this is, this is why, I mean, ultimately, this is why the right kind of be destroyed, right, is that just allowing them to be free was an advertisement against the capital system. Well, yeah, it was a totally different ethos on potentialities and it transcended conventional politics. You know, I mean, like in some ways, like the Schnellanist did too, and I mean, I think Soviet Cosmism is sort of a callback to that, sort of transcendental mysticism of, of busy anti-hymns stuff, but no, yeah, I mean, but that was somewhat incidental, obviously, and it was resolved a dialectical process that had very much sort of deviated from the core ethos of Marxistism, but no, the something that the fascist, the national socialist, Axis Europe was disposed towards as an essential aspect of the politics of the era and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding was, you know, something that was epochal in nature and truly historical almost and was, you know, part of the highest possible forms of human action and cultural productivity, absolutely. Well, that I think that something else that needs to be, I think I've talked about this, like the entire world changed, in, you know, in the realm of like, communist, right? Like after the period of five good emperors, you know, Marcus Aurelius, even then most of the population was still agricultural peasants, and you could take an agricultural peasant from the time of Marcus Aurelius, and there've been some very, very good alternative history time, you know, time travel type stuff. Like you could take someone like that and take them to the world of say, I don't know what point the break would be, like the 1860s, and aside from like firearms, like most of everything is like readily apparent and still even into the 1860s of war between the states, most of the people in the world are agricultural peasants. But, you know, in the Psalm in 1915 and the, you know, Waterloo in 1815, like the world changed so completely in that 100 years that nothing was the same afterwards. And the national socialist, the fascist, whatever, like that, that organization, those, that aesthetic idea, like those were the, of the three choices or three ways to confront that massive change, where there was Bolsheviks, there was Judeo-Massonic capitalism, and then there was this, this national, you know, organic, aesthetic romantic nationalism, I don't know how else to describe it. But of all those three, no one is going to care about like, if, you know, if the United States government falls apart, no one's going to care about like, I-90, in a hundred years. No. Or like, yeah, exactly, or like some random federal building, you know, downtown. The, a film that I like, you know, it, this seems crazy now, but HBO actually used to make really good original movies. Like they made this film about Andre Chikotella, the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X, with Donald Sutherland. It is by, yeah, still. They made this biopic of Stalin, if I were to do well. They did, um, a film version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfactual where the German Reich is victorious, um, in, um, World War II, and, uh, you know, there's, um, in the film, it's, uh, the German Reichs preparing for Hitler's 70-Kirth birthday celebrations. Joe Kennedy is the president. Joe Kennedy's trying to end the cold war that exists between America and the Reich, but it opens in the year '94 and, um, this American delegation is touring Berlin, which is now, you know, the, the European, like the capital of, um, nation Europa called Germany. And, um, it's, it's a combination of early CGI and matte paintings, but it looks really cool. And, uh, this centerpiece is the folks hall, which, uh, would have held 180,000 people. Hitler would have been able to access it from what would have been, um, the Führer's Palace, um, by way of an underground access, um, road, and, um, he would emerge by elevator behind the podium. And the folks hall would have been so massive that it would have had its own weather inside. Clouds would have formed. And, um, it speculated that it would have occasionally rained within the dome. Uh, stuff like that is, uh, yeah. The best thing, um, Amazon is ever done, is, um, they did the Philip K. Dick Manorna High Castle, right? Yeah, the show is silly, but the optics are brilliant. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm appropriated the flag that they utilize for some of my own purposes, because it's that good. Oh, the aesthetics were on point. But to give you just a, here's, here's a quote from that, um, the book I mentioned, Hitler's, Hitler's engineers, Fritz Todd and Albert Spear, master builders of the Third Reich, uh, Todd started developing detail plans in July 1933, keeping Hitler closely, closely, abruptly developments, and then inner quote, although the entire road plan was Hitler's, and although he took the first step in organization of the plan, he allowed the general inspector and his staff that is taught to make all decisions. He considered a good policy to be an agreement with those in daily contact with the problems of highway construction. He did however offer suggestions when the problems were brought to him. The bridge symbolized appears approach to construction. He is concerned with beauty and appearance, but the primary goal is durability. As he has often stated, quote, we must build what we build must stand long after we're no longer here. So, you know, do you build a society that is concerned with the future and with aesthetics and Tucker Carlson's talked about this a little bit. But the people who build ugly stuff in America's cities hate you. They don't care about you. If they build people who build ugly stuff for you, they're telling you they don't care about you. They're telling you that your kids don't deserve to have beautiful things in their lives. When you voice also the, yeah, and I, the concept of the geography of nowhere, you know, because I'm out because I don't drive. I'm always on foot. And thankfully, you know, Chicago is one of the few places you can live and not have a car because there's public transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves and things. But like most of this country, it's just built up a gleaness and like you can't be a pedestrian in a lot of places because there's nowhere for you to walk. And, you know, architecture and the design of living spaces, it physically dictates your movements. You know, school is dead. And yeah, if you live a mist totally ugly surroundings, you know, it's, it beats you down a psychological way. You know, like I, when I get out west and I'm not trashing on people living in the west suburbs, like Westival Park and stuff, you start, when you get far enough away from like Cook County, it becomes a geography and nowhere. It's like, it's like endless flat highways. And you just pass like a full of wild wings and like target. And these like, Walmart is used. Yeah, old camera. See, I know, I mean, I'm, yeah, it's awful, man. Yeah. I've talked about Jim Kusner's, you know, jogger, if you know where I ton. Because it's really important to actually that, you know, Chicago is the, um, the last city, like for this west city, where you could actually live like a European style city. There's a really good book. William E. Cronin, Nature's Metropolis about Chicago, you should check it out if you could a chance about the development of Chicago. But if a a society that cares about itself and cares about its future is going to build things that make that society stronger internally. And a better place to be. And I think that, you know, what have we built? You know, I've been a political adult basically since 9/11. Um, what has the United States built in the last 25 years that you can say that that's going to, that's going to matter in 50 years. Yeah, it's, um, I can't think of a thing. I can't, I literally cannot think of a single thing in the United States. No, I even, um, even these like dedicated monuments where you have, you know, people who at least have some rudimentary idea of his theoretical sophistication. And, you know, how things should be harmoniously devised, you know, to kind of comport with the natural features of the setting in which it's situated. Like a lot of this stuff just looks bad. You know, like I, the, the world, like, when I was in DC last, you know, I went by the World War II memorial, which I thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the evil G-Memorial is the World War II memorial if there is one. And there's nothing like, apparently offensive about it, but it just looks bad. It's something that's like tacky about it. It's just aesthetically not well done. Yeah, it's just like totally unremarkable. Yeah, it's, um, you know, no, the only, there's some beautiful architecture here. And that's kind of my reference point for America. I mean, stuff like Mount Rushmore is fast needing, you know, but yeah, you'd think that especially because, you think that especially in the years of the Cold War that would have been like a priority. You know, not, not in some crude, triumphalist way, but kind of America saying, you know, we defeated the Communist enemy, you know, now sort of culture can reign, have an elevated sword that we're the standard bearer of. Like, one of those true or not is the point. You think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire, even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in ways that are somewhat impure of motive, but there was none of that. Yeah, like, where was the, where was like the great symphony that to celebrate like the end of the Cold War and like the triumph freedom? Like it, yeah, or a great, a great opera or something like that. You know that yeah, there's no, there's, there's only, there was only like an awkward song by the Scorpions and I mean, obviously they were like from the Bundesrepublic. Yeah, I mean, winds of change is a banger like I'm not going to, not going to knock it, you know, in terms of what it is. It's great, but like, yeah, there's, there's no and, you know, Hitler was a pretty talented draftsman himself, but yeah, he was great. The built environment, like if you build a beautiful built environment, it's, it's no, it's no coincidence that like Mozart and the Strauss family and like how many great composers like spent all their, their great time in Vienna. No, and yeah, that's why, and that's why people gravitate towards Prague these days because Prague partakes that same sort of Habsburg, Baroque beauty, like I'm always telling people one of my destinations if I happen to find a time machine would be Habsburg, Vienna because then I mean, I'm, I'm very, very Protestant, you know, like, but I find myself taken in by that kind of Baroque grandiosity, you know, as much as, as much as a Roman Catholic person would be man, like it's just incredible. Right, but yeah, but the reason, the reason Vienna produced so many including, you know, our chancellor, right, like all of these people were inspired by the beauty that was everywhere around them in Vienna. Oh, 100 percent. Yeah, Jocelyn Jocelyn Jocelyn made that point too. I mean, he was, you know, you know, an associate economist with the same sort of creative, aesthetical endeavors, but, you know, it's, but the, it's, everybody you came out of them, Elou, was, you know, shaped by it in terms of their, you know, habits and the conventions they gravitated to and, you know, the things that you inspiration from. Sure. You know, and yeah, that's what great civilizations are made of is those sorts of, those sorts of, you know, aspects. And it's funny, because I like, in preparation for this episode, and just in general, right, you know, I've tried to find everything I can in English about this pro, this movement of construction and infrastructure and, right, and I can't find anything in English that doesn't just attack, right, attack the third, right, there's nothing out there. I mean, maybe you know, it's honest, maybe you got like a book from 1946 or something that might have been if you do like DM me later, but, well, yeah, you can't, you can't take this up seriously. It's the same as there'll be some like middleing college professor from some fourth grade university, like talking about how Hitler was a loser or it's the same thing. It's like, it's like okay, bro, like a guy conquered Europe from France, the gates of Moscow, defeated the British army, defeated the French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, conquered the low countries, stopped the American army deadened its tracks, but he's like a loser or a copier, he's a quote of a loser or a copier to some middleing college professor. Okay, like you can't, you can't, I mean, it's so preposterous that it's like so hobo when they're like, yes, Kurt Narod declaring he's the emperor of the universe, I'm expecting to take it seriously or something like that. Like, are you real beneath me? - And Joseph Stalin, right, like, I don't think people, I mean, I've talked about this enough so that people would know, or certainly this audience as well, educated, have to know this, but the Iranians are not pro-American, because American trucks and American bullets were given to British and Soviet soldiers in 1941 to invade their country from four different places. - Yeah. - Right, so that they could secure the Persian supplier out, which supplied 45 divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union. the United States sent 10,000 aircraft from Montana up through Canada, through Alaska, all the way across the air barrier. We're talking like a third of the way around the world. Yeah, it's insane. In addition to constant kind of voice over the North Atlantic to the white sea and the worst ocean in the world, we just lost tons of shipping and that, right? And if it hadn't been for that kind of heroic effort, you know, the Soviets would have lost the war. They say themselves. That's why they would have lost the war. Well, yeah, that's why, you know, I mean, I, I was supposed to listen to some, I was supposed to listen to some fourth raid, self-styled propaganda, tell me that I'm a bad person because I won't accept it was an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and alliance with the communists. You know what I mean? Like I, I, these people are beneath me. Yeah, Thomas, you don't support supporting the communists. You hate freedom. Yeah. And like I, if I don't go, if I don't hate Muslims for no reason, if I don't hate my fellow Christians in Palestine, yeah, and go on pretending that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person. Yeah, that's what I was always under the impression people acted that way were mentally ill, but I apparently like, no, they're, they're, they're, they're just really, really bursting with, with moral integrity. And I'm like a, I'm just like a bad person. Yeah, no, it's, it's absolutely true, right? And I mean, we can talk about it. And I'll go to parades, either guys like pee on each other and stuff, like apparently I'm supposed to do in June, you know, like that, you know, and I do things like honoring, like, you know, the heroes of my own race instead of like going to like pee parades. How dare you Thomas, how dare you? Yeah, the, the, the, I suppose we can talk about this just a little bit, you know, a year later, right? The, the Trump skeptical. Um, anti Jewish people have been completely vindicated, you know, like there's, I, I only want to bring this up because, um, the, the only salient, and this is something I got from you Thomas, so I'm going to just steal it, right? The only salient political conflict in the world today is Zionist versus everybody else. Like those are the, those are your options. You're either on team's, I asked you're on team like civilization. And it's the same conflict in 1941. It's the same conflict today. Like you're on team Zionist or you're on team civilization. Those are your, those are your teams, you know, like a Charles and I used to tell each other, like it's always January 1936 in Spain. Like you, you got two teams. You got teams. I, yeah. The, the fan surprising about Trump, I mean, I, I, I never had any reasons like Trump or I thought he was a good guy. The way in which he crashed out kind of surprised me because it was really, really stupid. I continued to kind of cook himself in the court of public opinion when he doesn't have to. He's become, I think he's slipping mentally. Yeah. You think a narcissist would have more self respect, you know? Well, he also Trump's a master of manipulating the psychological environment. I mean, it's really, that, that, that, that's really how he's gotten to where he is. And it's like he totally took a leave of, you know, his, his, his, his, uh, Machiavellian sensibilities as well as his instincts for how to proceed and index with the media cycle. It's, he's been doing incredibly dumb things. And I mean, not to deep rail us. I got to raise up in a minute, too. It's going to be abrupt. I got like 10 minutes. But the, um, you know, the way he handled this Epstein matter was just incredibly stupid. You know, it's not like he got, it's like he got merged because he got put on the spot and, you know, didn't really see a way out. So, you know, he kind of, he kind of issued some, he kind of made a declaration. He couldn't deliver on to get, you know, a, um, a hostile interrogative media off his back. And then he came back to bite. It was like, nothing like that. He's doing dumb shit, you know, um, and the, the way he's responded, you know, he could have, he could have basically placated his masters. At the same time, put on airs like he was, you know, demanding that, you know, you were sovereign heavy respective vis-a-vis Israel. And he did the opposite. You know, it's like, what the hell's wrong with you? Like you, especially considering the current environment. Conceptually, you know, the way people feel about Israel, that was about the dumbest possible thing you could do. But, um, that's the subject for another day. Forgive me. And, um, yeah, forgive me for being a brawped. I, um, we can, we can reconvene and continue this subject matter if you guys want to. I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys are going to continue with it. But, oh, oh, I'll rejoin you guys at a later date if you want to continue this subject. Any time you want to talk about whatever you want to talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to listen, you know, if you got a rise up, that's. No, you should, um, I'm doing this series now with the world at War Guys, Nick and Adam, which is great. I'm very blessed. They wanted to include me. But I, you know, I also, we put, like Pete and I with a couple other guys, you know, we do the imposition pod. You should, you should, you should, you should dip in there sometime now. Any time I'm, I'm a big fan of Astral's and Nick and Adam, I've been an old friend of mine for years, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm always a great dude. Okay. Yeah, you, you're aware of it. Oh, yeah. But that, uh, yeah, I, I'll be in touch and I'm always, um, at long last, I'm going to start, uh, I'm going to start live streaming, um, on the regular. And if it would help, if you'd be willing to collab with me on that, sometimes too, but um, you call it, you call it, I'll jump on in like a, yeah, my phone number from Pete, man, and like shoot me a text. Um, okay. In the next couple of days, um, and just like identify yourself when you do, um, and yeah, we'll talk about it over text if that's cool. That's fine. Yeah. And let's, uh, let's close, let's close this one down then. Yeah. Sounds good. All right. So Thomas, give plugs. Yeah. Um, you can find me, I, um, run a charity for autistic LGBTQ children. No, I don't do that. Um, that's my live stream. You can find me at, uh, Thomas777.com. It's number seven, each on the S 7777.com. And, uh, my substag is where I direct people to as well. Because that's where my podcast is. A lot of my long form writing and we got a reactive chat there. It's real Thomas777.substag.com. And, um, as I kind of restructure my content, I, though, I'm active on those two, um, platforms every day. So go there and you shall find. Dee? Um, well, I have my own show, uh, fundamental principle. It's also one substag. Uh, gotta, gotta give a strong recommend to following Thomas' telegram and his substag. I follow a ball of them. And, uh, of course, everything, uh, everything Pete canone is, uh, you know, give, give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his live streams, you know, get your out through OGC, um, support the people to support you, you know, that you're given, you're given, you know, what amounts to 300 or 400 level college lectures by Thomas and Pete or by, you know, Dr. Johnson and Pete or, you know, Pete, Pete enabled so much stuff to good things to happen and, um, he works really hard about high and the scenes that you don't see and he helps people all the time. So, um, you know, the stuff that Pete does in front of the camera is only a portion of the hard work he puts in and on top of all that, he's like a really great friend. So please, you know, support the people that, that don't hate you. Yeah, well said. I appreciate that. Alright, gentlemen, have a good evening. Thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingyana show. De is back. What's going on, De? Not much, Pete. So good to talk to you again, my friend. Good to talk to you. So, um, let's talk about something that hold, has had a hold on my interest since I was very young, probably like, oh, God, probably five or six years old, watch for my first game and became obsessed and wanted to play it. People have probably heard me talk about this before. It's the sport of hockey. You know anything about hockey? I know that Wayne Dresky was a really great defenseman and there's a dude in the goal. Well, you, um, you got one of those, right? Okay. Yeah, that's about as much as I know about hockey. I mean, really. It's just a little bit of a bit of a, you know, you can't be a sports guy, which I was for a bit. And not know at least a little bit, right? But, but basically I'm completely ignorant. So yeah. Well Wayne Dresky was, he was a forward. He was a sensor. Sometimes he played Wayne. not a defenseman, but I actually have a of the video queued up of who I consider to be one of the greatest defense of all time. We can talk about that later. But yeah, I think there's a lot of reasons why I think it's the greatest sport on the planet. And probably the one reason that it is is because of where it's played, the cold, how much it costs to play. The times you might have to wake up to play and how much equipment costs. Oh, it's not what you're, yeah, you're, you're basically keeping out the worst, the worst of all elements of every, of every group out there. You know, most of the, what I was growing up, the, the schools that had the, had the better teams were schools that had like the highest tuition in the capital league that I, that I played in. So, um, that just makes sense. I mean, again, I don't know much. So I mean, correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, but it's overwhelmingly played by Canadians, Americans and not just Americans, but Americans from like the Upper Midwest and the Northeast. And it's played in Europe and that's about it. Pretty much. Yeah. I mean, so it's like total white supremacy. And I know that when I was growing up like, ice time was a thing and you'd have to get up at like five o'clock in the morning to go get ice time. Is this, is this correct? Five o'clock, sometimes four o'clock. If you were in a league that was outside of like a high school league or something like that, sometimes your league games would start at 11 o'clock at night or midnight or something like that. Yeah, it's one of those things that one of those games that you're, they can actually make more money from an open skate of people of couples walking, you know, skating around to music and holding hands and they can for people coming in and paying to play hockey. So couples aren't going to do that normally at 11 o'clock, 10 o'clock, 11 or 12 o'clock or midnight and five o'clock in the morning. So that's when you get ice time, you get ice time like in New York, there was a place called SkyRank. And if you wanted to play open hockey, you normally have to get there around six, six, 30, last spurs, rank, which was basically in Harlem, in Central Park, 100 in Cents Street. You had to, there was an open skate on Saturday and Sundays from 730 to 9 where you were the rank would be like an advanced game going on. Media, you know, a beginner game going on and then like guys who, you know, been playing for a little while going on all of the same gigantic rank. So yeah, it basically, it, there was just the way it was structured. The gatekeeping was pretty amazing. And the sports, I mean, sports are occupied such a huge place in the culture that, you know, like I personally am started, one of the reasons I wanted to do this show is I want to get more into hockey because, you know, I can occasionally I can make the drive and like go see a crack in this game. And, you know, like going to see a see-hux game is way too expensive. It's, it's everything I don't like about American culture and like one specific spot, you know, Mariner's games are much better. You know, it's a several hour drive for me to go. So I've all the professional sports teams out there. I would much rather go see like the crack, but I don't know anything about it, you know, because it just wasn't, it wasn't, I wasn't raised with it. I didn't, didn't grow up with it. So like explain it to me like I'm a retarded five year old. Okay. So, you mean, you know that there's, there's a rank and everything. It's been so long since I like like I can't remember the length of the rank and the 210 feet. I can't remember. But, um, and the width of the rank, but the rank is split into sections. There's a center line. Your team will be on one side for, um, for the first period, and team being the other, then you'll switch after the three periods. You'll switch sides after, um, which really what that does mostly is, is your bench in the first period is going to be on your side of the ice, but in the second period, your bench is going to be all the way on the other side of the ice. So if you need, if you're, if you're a guest and you're, you know, your huffin and you can't, you can't continue your shift. You have to make a longer trip to the bench to change, you know, to switch out and get somebody who's, um, who's fresh on the ice and everything. Um, there's, there's zones. You have center ice, um, you have blue lines and then you have goal lines. Goal lines are all the way down. That's where the nets, the nets are set up on the goal line. You want to get the puck between, you know, the score goal. I get across the goal line and it's got to be in the net. Um, the blue lines are to prevent icing. I mean, or to prevent offside. And so are to not prevent offside, but to, um, regulate. So the easiest thing you could do in hockey is as you'd have one guy who would stay all the way down by the other team's net and you just throw the puck down to him and he'd be alone with the goalie. That line, the puck has to go over that line to go into the other zone before any of your players do. And that prevents that from happening. So that's probably the hardest thing when people first start getting into hockey, they don't really understand what offside is. If they, if they've ever watched soccer, they might have an idea of offside, but offside could be manipulated in soccer because I mean, it's just basically a bunch of whole against and they're, you know, not to be trusted. Um, but in hockey, that line basically prevents you from, you know, hanging out over down here. Hey, hey, throw me the puck. I'm, I'm all alone. No, the, the puck has to go over that, has to go over that line before any of you guys do. And, um, the center line is basically where they, where you, um, center is where the game starts from or after a goal is scored where you drop the puck and you have a face off and you know, you try to get the puck back to your guys. So that's basically, I, I pretty much just explained the hardest part of people first watching hockey. They're like, okay, why did the whistle blow? Well, the person was offside. They went across the line before the puck did. Buck has to go across the line. It's more sportsmen like that. Um, there's more sportsmanship according to that. And that's another thing about hockey that I love is, is, it's very, it gets a, a bad rap for fighting, but the fighting is essential to the game. And as you had mentioned before, we even started. Um, we've seen a lot of problems in hockey since they took, since they basically tried to, um, try to eliminate fighting because fighting was really a way to police, police the other team. If somebody was, um, getting out of line, if somebody went after your best guy or, you know, a cheap shot at one of your guys, you know, a fight would be a good way to, um, the enforcer would go after that guy or, um, you know, if a game needed, and this happened a lot back in the 70s, if a game just needed a little more excitement, both teams would throw their enforcer out there, enforcers out there at the same time. And, um, they would just pick a fight with each other. And then, you know, it was off to the races, especially before they started mandating helmets. It was a, it was a lot more fun. And I would argue hockey was a safer game before they started mandating helmets because people took more care. They knew the guys weren't wearing helmets. They weren't, um, as, um, they wouldn't be as dirty and they'd be a little more hesitant to like, um, really crash a guy into the boards headfirst or something like that. And, um, you know, it just, it's always been a gentleman sport. Well, I mean, it's not always been a gentleman sport, but it's, it's a more gentlemanly sport because you can fight. You can take out your aggression. And also it's mostly, you know, real white bread kids planning. Any questions? Well, I, I, there's that awful, um, piece of coming adjut prop that Clint Eastwood directed with the strongman bad demon about the World Cup in South Africa for rugby World Cup. And one line that stuck with me from that is that rugby was a gentleman's game, a thugs game played by gentlemen. And that soccer was a vice versa. - Game played by Hooligans. - Right. And it's right to me that hockey very much fits that the a thugs game played by gentlemen, sort of ethos that you want in sports. Where that there is the competition, there is the violence. I mean, how fast are these guys skating? Like 20, 25 miles? Like I have no idea how-- - I mean, I mean, 25 miles an hour is, I would say, a pretty quick player. Some players, you know, a Pavel Burre was giving probably up closer to 30. So-- - And then you-- - Car crash games, please, this is dangerous. Like if you-- - Oh yeah, it's insane. Yeah. - You hit the board. You go into a board. The boards had first, you know, I forget what the guy's name was who it was a Boston college player kid. And he went head first into the boards in Parallelust. In a game, you know, that was in the 90s. Oh, by the way, you were mentioning the Seattle area. The Seattle metropolitan were the first American teams actually win the Stanley Cup. They beat the Montreal Canadians in 1917. Most people don't even, probably don't even know that there was a Seattle metropolitan team. - I had no idea. - Yeah. - Yeah, I had no idea. - And there's a-- - Really? - This is the first time hearing, you know? - Yeah. There's actually a picture of them and you can imagine. It's all a bunch of white kids. And most of them half of them definitely look German. That's for sure. - Right, and-- - One interesting thing about hockey, I think it's the only major sport where the season goes on hold for the Olympics. - Well, the season will go on hold for the Olympics. Yeah, the mostly because the basketball is played during the summer and that's when they're off. So yeah, and it's. Well, what's interesting is for a while there, the pros played in the, in the, in the allowed pros. I can't remember the year that they allowed pros back in. I think it was in the early 2000s. It was in the 2000s, I'm almost positive. Then they took them out and then this year, they let them back in. It had been a while since they had pros in the game. So, well, I just think it's cool that like, because I only know this, this is name is, so is it Dominik Hoshik, who's like Czech or-- - Dominik Hoshik's Czech, yeah. - Right, but like he was, you know, like, maybe 10 years ago or something, I remember like reading about the Winter Olympics. And like he was playing for his country in the Winter Olympics. And so you get all, like you get really the best players from all over the world, right? But you know, what's the, he's like one of the best scorers in the league now, a Vetsch kin. - Oh, Alexander Vetschkin, yeah, he's Russian. - Yeah, did he play it like, has he played for the Russian teams in the Olympics? - I'm positive he did during the odds. I don't know what is, I don't know his scoring record in the Olympics or anything like that, but I'm almost positive he would have, yeah. - Right, so you get like the Canadians, the Russians, the Scandinavians, the European, like, you know, Western civilization effectively, like plays hockey is what I'm saying. And it or like white civilization plays hockey. And I don't know, like Australia, New Zealand have hockey teams. It wouldn't surprise me if they did, but right. It's the only, it's the only sport I can think of where I can look at the teams and be like, I'd have those guys over for barbecue. They look at the, they're a good time, right? Like, you know, like, we're, I'm not just visually off foot and not just 'cause like, oh, abrasives, but like, what do I have in common with like NBA players? You know, my life and their life are completely different, you know, baseball, like, not, you know, just nothing in common at all. - Yeah. - And so hockey is this, it's like, oh, these are, these look like guys that I wouldn't know and grow up. - Yeah, the, hockey has gone through a lot of like, first hockey, I think when I was growing up, 90 is 92% of the league was Canadian. And the rest were basically American. Then the, as the wall started to fall and everything started to fall on a part in Eastern Europe, you started getting more of the Eastern European players come over and really the last to come over were the Russian players, obviously. So, you know, hockey has gone through, when it became more of a world sport, that's when the league really started to expand where you started, you started seeing more teams added. You know, there was, I don't remember how many years it was, but there was only six teams in the NHL for a long time called the original six, was Montreal Toronto, was Canadians, the Maple Leafs, the Rangers, the Black Hawks, the Red Wings, and who am I leaving out? Boston, Boston Bruins. So there was only six teams for a long time and it was pretty much because, you know, well, how much is the, supply and demand, how many people are demanding to see hockey and everything, and then once the game started to get some, in the 60s, it started to get popular, especially after, you know, the States actually won the Olympic, the Olympic gold medal in 1960. I think that was at Squaw Valley and it started getting popular and then, you know, people had just started picking up, so you had teams that were adding on, adding on, adding on, you actually had a team in Cleveland at one point and a lot of teams moved that they had to find their, find their places to go to where, you know, you would find a crowd, which is why, you know, the famous line from Baseball and Basketball, the New Orleans Jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music. You had all these teams that were, they had to change their names and move around to find, find their niche, but eventually with more Americans starting to play the game, especially after 1980, the Olympics in 1980, you just, they'll be just started to explode, but then as soon as Eastern Europeans and Russians came in, I mean, now you have teams in Florida, you have two teams in Florida. So, you know, mostly, most of the people going to those games are obviously people who are from, you know, retired to Florida from New York. And on the west coast of the Midwest, Tampa is more of a Midwest kind of, a lot of people from the Midwest, where the East Coast, where you have Florida, Panther, or Santa Barbara, County is mostly people from the Tri-State area and New England up in New York. So, yeah, I mean, the game started to, the game started to explode and, you know, it's always been one of those games where, I remember when I was growing up, I can't remember what the guy's name was, but there was like one black guy in the league. And, you know, honestly, if there is a black guy in the league, he's the whitest black guy. You've, you know, if there's a guy playing hockey in the NHL and he's from Canada, he's the whitest black guy, you know. So, what else you wanna know? Well, like, if you were to say, all right, like, Kiers, if you wanna learn more about hockey, like, learn about like these six players or something. And watch these, like, go to YouTube and watch the, like, the, you know, the, obviously there's the 1980, you know, Silver Metal Game or whatever, where the US beat the Russians. Like, what, what, I know names like Bret Hall and Greg Greski and like Mario Lemieux, 'cause when I was a kid, those were like the big three names and you could be like into sports and not hear those three names, but like one of their players, you know, like, Greg Greski. Here's an interesting exercise. If Pete had to put together his all time, like, best squad, like, Goalie and Wings and defense, that's the three big terms, right? Yeah, I'm gonna, God, I'll be naming people in the one I've ever, my goalie would be some, you know, as many most people I've never even heard of, it was Ken Dryden for the Montreal Canadians played in the, played in the '70s. I think he actually joined the league late because he went to law school or something like that. But Ken Dryden was, I mean, he was just, It is impossible to get anything by a moment. But in like the modern era, I mean, Dominik Koshik, Patrick Waw, as far as goal tenders go, I mean, these are guys who took their team to championships. I mean, I don't want to say, I can name people, name goalies who, you know, like one Stanley Cups, but they didn't like, they didn't carry their team on their on their shoulders, you know, and I'm not going to name a lot of current players because after COVID, I just dropped out of watching pretty much all sports, and I've only started watching hockey again recently because, yeah, I needed just another distraction of some sort. And, but so like, I don't know if I had a goalie that I needed to, you know, we need to win a game like one game. It's kind of hard not to pick Dominik Koshik because the guy would just, the guy was doing a lot in Buffalo with a team that, I mean, he had some good defenseman in front of him, but I mean, he, he, there were nights where he was carrying the team. Mike Richter was another guy who like carried his team to the Rangers and want to Stanley Cups since like, 1940, 1941, and Richter took them to the Stanley Cups in '93 or '94. I remember, but his night, 394, thing 93 was Montreal and the next year was the, the Rangers. So, goalie, I mean, Patrick Wad, Dominik Koshik, these guys, ten tried and, so much probably screaming, Martijn Bredour from the, from the New Jersey Devils. He had a, he was a great goal tender, but he also had a great defense in front of him. Defenceman is, I mean, this guy right here, how many, how many defenseman are there? There's two, so there's two defensemen, okay. And usually you're going to, normally what you're going to have is on the ice at one time, you're going to have one that's right handed, one that shoots right handed, one that shoots left handed, one that shoots right handed is going to play the right side, the one that shoots left handed is going to play the left side. There's just reasons, there's your, you want your, you want the stick closest to the boards on the side you are. That's the way it was always explained to me growing up. Although I played ice shot right handed, even though I'm, normally if you're right handed, you're supposed to shoot left handed, shoot left handed, but I was, I'm kind of ambidextrous, so I shot right handed. But the, so here, let me, let me share this guy. This guy was played in the 70s when defenseman, when, when you talk about defenseman, he gets left out because he played so long ago, and he had a short career because he played so hard, he got hurt a lot. This is Bobby Orren. He played for the Bruins. And before he came into the league, a defenseman basically played defense. They, when the other team, when the other team was on the offense, he, he dropped back and defenseman's job is to make sure that the forwards don't get an open shot, make sure to, to put body, but you're supposed to just get your body between them and you're lonely. And Bobby or kind of changed that. Bobby or led the league and scoring as a defenseman. And if there was really nothing like him when, when he came along to the point where I mean, like videos like this are show how legendary he actually was where he is a young kid and he's making men who've been playing the game twice as long as he has just look silly. So I just run this video. I have a few videos that might be of interest. Bobby or the 22 seconds. No helmets too. This is back when the, when the game was just absolutely amazing. Drive by Park goes wide or low and shop. Some was behind that goal line, but somehow someway that puck went in behind. There's no reason a defenseman is going in on on a goal on basically unchallenged. He should be back. He should be back behind the forwards. Waiting for the puck, waiting for the opposing team to pick the puck up and bring it back down the ice. And or was just like, now I'm going to, I'm going to totally break that model and just become completely offensive. And people just didn't, they didn't know what to do with him. I mean, it got to the point where they were hurt. Some people, some of the dirty players would try to hurt him on purpose and actually succeeded. But now all breaks. The late call. He's out to Walden. Go ahead for the net. Walden causes fire and misses. Rebound. Stop. Now watch Bobby heading for the net. He's going to turn and come over to the right side of just as Walden drives the puck. There he turns. Now watch this backhander right here at the top corner. How does he do it? I don't know. Or gets it. Ex-up speed leaves one of hand down the other end and here he comes. Bring him back or fight for it behind the net. How's it? Walking in front wheels in front locked on the pass. How's it again? Or cuts around a backhander. It's crazy. The craziest thing about that goal right there is is it started with him behind the opposing net. So I think a defenseman is not supposed to do this. What I was, what I was playing if I was playing defense. And I ended up behind the other teams net. I was going to be benched. You just don't do that as a defenseman. You're like leaving. You might have a forward dropback. I mean, dropback to cover for you. But if forward is not going to be able to play as defense as well as you, as well as you do, especially at this level in the end. I mean, in high school, yeah, maybe, you know, I'll play defense as well as you at this level. No one's going to play defense as well as the defenseman. My other stops behind the net for over or with school there. Guys, it on empty net. Close your mouth and it is a score. This is him just like at the end of the game. If you're if you're down by a goal within the last two minutes of the game, you can pull your goal tender out for an extra attacker. So you can try and score inside the game. And but basically that just leaves your goal wide open. So, you know, or had this habit of being all the way on the other end of the ice and being able to just pinpoint, shot all the way from the other end into the into the net on the other on the on the other end of the ice. And that takes some skill for sure. Was he actually good at defense to her? He just like this weird scoring machine who should have been playing wing. Oh, no, he was he I think he won defensive player of the year six six times. So he could win defensive player of the year and be the be the overall have the most points scored in the season, which makes no fucking sense whatsoever. I mean, that's why at the time it was just this anomaly where people were just like, what are we seeing here? We're seeing like history. We're seeing something new. So he would have been your all-time defense. So there's two defensemen. And once I got Bobby Orin and who's who's the other guy then. Well, I mean, I mean, I'm for him. Yeah, unfortunately, it's well, it won't not unfortunately, but if I was going to pick a defenseman who like to play alongside or it would be another left-handed shooter shooter would be Scott Siemens from the from the Jersey Devils. The guy was just one of the most brutal son of a bitch has ever. Let me see if I can find this here. Scott Stevens, Eric Lentjross. Yeah, here we go. And Lentjross remains down on the ice as all. King Cushion. I mean, that a lot of people say that pretty much ended his career. The other players come together. Steven's just had a friggin if somebody put their head down and they were skating, they had the puck. You didn't want to be around it. When it's legal to hit somebody when they have the puck, your only allowed to check somebody when they have the puck. Okay. Okay. So you can't just like like take take some little guy who's up skating up front and like like, hey, shoot me the puck, shoot me the puck who's small and then just have one of your biggest guys like run him into the boards. Yeah, no, you have to the the rule is you have the person has to be, um, has to have the puck, but you know, sometimes referees don't see everything. So this hit this is the worst case scenario here for this hit for an Eric Lindross. Steven Lindross was a total prick by the way. There weren't, I think the only people who were upset at this point were Philadelphia flyer fans. But this pretty much ended his career. I mean, he kept having, he had multiple, yeah, more concussions after this and he just had to quit at a very young age because he, I mean, he was looking to bring damage. He means came across like he has done in the play and he's sling you with your all the Lindross. Here we go. He's coming through a beat's neater Meyer, head is down and it's a shoulder right to the jaw of Lindross. And he has no clue. This is coming. This is a freight train. Look how fast he's going. A freight train. And it is a wicked hit. Even that's even, I mean, even slow motion. This is coming. This is a freight train coming his way. Well, so like, and it is a wicked in car accidents, right? If you get in a head on car accident, it's the speed of say, car one is going 30 miles an hour in car due to his going 30 miles an hour. We're going to be in a brick wall at 70 miles an hour. Both those guys are doing 20 to 25 miles an hour. Yep. That's that's like hitting a brick wall at 45 miles an hour with those people. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's that's bad. I've taken some monster hits, man. And it's and I've I've delivered some monster hits. And yeah, it, and if it doesn't hurt you, like to the point where you're like, okay, I'm, you know, I might need to see the trainer. It takes everything right out of you and you have to get off the ice. It's hard to get up from a hit like that and like get back into your get back into your groove, get back, you know, start skating again. You need you need some time. Yeah. So I mean, it's just it's a brutal. It's it's another thing I love about a game though. It's a brutal game. You can really hit some you can you can you can really do some damage, but I mean, I don't it's hard to know what Scott Stevens what his motives were there. But here's some I think it's Scott Stevens greatest hits. Holy shit. Did that get just flip over? Yeah. Get checked. He just did a fault like, yeah, he just did a full like 270 in the air. Oh my gosh. Oh, so we're enforcers generally defensive. Oh, what? So the role on the team of enforcer, we talked a little bit about was that usually fulfilled by a defense winner? No, normally not. Normally, it was like a fourth line wing, you know, like right wing or left winger somebody who wasn't going to get a lot of ice time. He would just be out there at certain times, you know, like, you know, if if one of your best players, if if one of your best players got got a cheap shot or something, he'd go out there and and instigate with that person. Oh, okay. Oh, so this is so, but yeah, so just those two get hard as part of their duties, but not necessarily fight as a significant. Okay. That makes it correct. Yeah. So yeah, those would be my two defenseman would be Bobby Orr and and Scott Stevens just because they would compliment each other well because one one would have the ability to play defense and be insanely offensive. And then you'd have another guy who was a really good defenseman who could just deliver brutal hits. And I mean, that's what hockey's about. Oki's about, you know, letting people, you know, you know, leveling people, you know, and that's, you know, really the fun part of it. So my well, then I guess we'd have to go to we'd have to go to center and center it so hard. There's been so many great centers of center is basically a quarterback on the ice. Your left one, your left wing, your right wing, these are forwards. Obviously, one's a meal left, one's on the right. They're going to attack on their side into the into the zone when they come back to play defense. They're going to be playing defense more forward in the zone like up near where the defenseman come up into the into the zone and and hang back. But the center is somebody who can go basically can go anywhere. He takes the face offs and then he is so if a puck goes into the corner and he can go in and help the help the winger and whatever would they typically be the fastest skaters? Not necessarily. No, or no, best puck handlers, would they be the guys that are real? They would be the guys who could probably handle the puck better than anyone else. Okay. So, you know, like the reason why the Edminson Oilers of the of the 80s were so dominant was they had two dominant sensors. They had Wayne Gretzky and Mark Messier and these were guys who were magic with the puck and they had great wingers playing them. Gretzky, um, Gretzky famously had Yari Curry who was a fin, pretty sure he was a fin. And then, um, forget who was who his other winger was. I know, and I can't remember. But like when when Gretzky left Edminson and went to LA, like Curry followed him. Like, like, like, the line just like that duo went with them. Went to LA together. So, um, if I say Gretzky is the greatest center of all time, I mean, it's so obvious. Now you can make the arguments can be made that, um, what's his name? You just mentioned him the Russian, um, the Wachkin. Yeah, Wachkin. I was under a Wachkin. And the only reason I know that name is that when the capitals won the cup, uh, I happened to be in Washington, D.C. At the time on like a tourist thing and caught like a chunk of their parade. And so I was like, that was really cool. Well, I mean, he's he's considered really a left winger. I mean, if if you're going to consider him a left winger, um, and I know he's played center before, then he's going to be the great, he'll be the top left winger of all time. I mean, he's the top goal score. He beat Gretzky's 892, uh, career goals, which no one ever thought was going to have. Now he's not going to beat Gretzky total points because I think Gretzky had twice as many assists as he did goals. And one point what's what's the distinction between goals and assists? Our goals and points is you, the puck you're sticking to and assist is credited to the last two players to get you that puck. So if you if the three forwards come across the line, say you have Gretzky in the center, Yari Curry on I think Yari play well, actually, even though he was right handed and say, McSorley was out there just to play, um, just to, um, make sure no one fucked with Gretzky. If they came across a line and McSorley passed it to Curry and Curry passed it to Gretzky and Gretzky scored. Gretzky will get a goal. Curry and McSorley will get a full. Okay. And then in your points are you're assists plus your goals? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. So your points for assists and goals and the, um, so say Yari Curry went into, say the opposing team had the had the puck and Curry went into the zone to go after try and take the puck away from him. And he did. He took it away from an opposing player and passed it to Gretzky and Gretzky scored. And only Curry would get an assist because he was the only player. He took it from the opposing team and put it, you know, put it on, put it on Gretzky stick. Now if Curry went in and took it from an opposing player and just took it from the opposing player and scored on his own, then that would be scored as a goal for Curry, unassisted. No one would have an assist on it because none of the players on his team touched it before passed the puck to him or touched it. That makes sense. Yeah. And then it's so you've got But Ashkin on the left, Grestki at the center, who's playing right wing then? >> It's going to be somebody that a lot of people have never heard of. Mike Bossy from the New York Islanders in the late 70s, early 80s. The Islanders won the Stanley Cup four years in a row from, I think it was 80 to 84. And Bossy was just, he was just one of those middle size Canadian guys who could just do so much with the puck and just had a knack for putting it in the net. So let's see, let me get his stats. He was a guy from Montreal, six foot tall. He died in 2022, I didn't know that. At the age of 65, damn, six foot tall, 185 pounds. Yeah, he was the second of five players to score 50 goals and 50 games. I mean, this guy was a complete beast who just knew how to find the back of the net. And I'm looking for his career statistics. Yeah, so he had 573 career goals and 752 games and he had, so he had played 752 games at 573 goals, 553 assists, 1127 points in 752 games. So he average over a point of game. That's a lot, isn't it? Yeah, the guy was a fucking monster. Yeah, he was a fucking monster. Like, is it like three to two? It just depends on the team. If you have like, so the New Jersey Devils of the 90s, it had Martian Broderer as a goalie in Scott Stevens as their defenseman. When they were, they had a system where if you tried to bring, if you tried to bring the puck through center ice, they had a system where they would just stop you where it would just basically line up line the team up across and just wouldn't give you a chance to get through. It's called the trap. It'll win you games. It won't win you fans. I used to have seasons like a so Florida Panthers and whenever the Devils came, I never went to the game because I knew it was going to be boring. I knew it was going to be a two one game or something like that. But if you had like, if like Colorado that had Joe Sackek and Peter Forsberg and Chris Jury and guys like that, that could, you know, five three games, something like that. You weren't going to get it. It's very rare you're going to get like games with more than six or seven goals on one team, mostly because you don't want to score 10 goals on a team because you're going to have to play them again. And they're going to remember that shit and they're going to try and shove it up your ass. Next time they play you and you might have the toughest game of the year. There might be a lot of penalties in that game and it might be a little dirty because you just don't do that to people. It's it's unsamely. You just it's considered root. Well, it's just put it that way in a lot of. So like, if it was five to six, that would be like, okay, close game, everyone's, but if it's like, if you it's like six to two, you know, then that people just do fine. Six to five. I mean, they'll be they'll be they'll be but hurt a little bit. But if you're if your goalie is just like completely porous as Swiss cheese that night and you decide you want to score 11 goals and they score one or two. Okay, that next game you might want to sit that next game out because he get if you get ugly depending depending. You they may they may even do the old school. The old school thing where if they don't have an enforcer that they really think can handle the job. They'll call someone up from the minors who can just for like one game to go out there and just wreak havoc on your ass. So yeah, there's a little bit of a street street justice that goes goes on there. It's not really street justice. It's more like, you know, yeah, you're you shouldn't have done that. There is just it's rude. I mean, just I guess the best way to say is rude. Okay. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're a lot of these guys you grew up with. You a lot of these guys, if you're the same age, you may be playing against each other since you're like nine or 10 years old, especially for from Canada. And you're playing in in junior systems where they have I mean, they have. Okay, explain it because I know what is junior systems mean. Okay. So they have junior hockey and Canada and somebody who's Canadian is going to get to be real pissed off at me because I'm not completely familiar with the junior system. But the like Bobby or so when Bobby or was 13 years old, he was he was taken basically he left his family to go play hockey. And the junior leagues were basically like a the build up to the minor leagues where you would where well, I mean, it's really where you're going to cut your teeth where people are going to see you see you can get drafted into the NHL. And some of these some of these you could actually get you got paid. You got housing and you got you know, you you're being trained a lot of a lot of the coaches and a lot of the trainers were former NHLers. It's basically like a farm system for for hockey. I don't know what it's like now, but back then it was definitely like pretty much anyone who came up. It went into the NHL who was from Canada played in the play junior hockey. And so basically like for American sports, right? Like typically you'll play in high school and then the play in college one or two years and then you'll get drafted into the NBA or NHL or NHL. MLB into the NFL. And then in baseball, right? You graduate high school and you might get drafted by a major league team. You might play college ball, but you can do one or those like you'll do it some time in the minors and then a couple of years maybe if you're really talented and then and then get your shot in the big leagues like is so in hockey like like hockey high school and then once you're done with high school. Pretty much your it's a system to get you ready for the NHL. Then you get drafted and if you get drafted, I mean if you get drafted like I'm pretty sure like bossy was drafted 15th overall. He went he went right to the. I don't think he played any. Let me see. I don't think he played any any minor league hockey. Yeah, he played from 1972 to 1977. He played for LeBal national of the Quebec. I think it's Quebec Maritime's junior hockey league, which is a let me describe it. One of three major junior hockey leagues that constitute the Canadian hockey league alongside the Ontario hockey league in Western hockey league. And the basically most of the teams. Yeah, it's just basically it's it would be our version of like baseball playing playing in high school and get drafted at a high school in the same thing football football get a draft at a college. But the thing is is that the one difference is is that you can you can start playing in depending on how good you are, you can start playing in the junior leagues at a very young age. Like I said, Bobby always playing in the junior leagues at 13. So you know, they have a they have a system up there. They've changed the rules. I'm of an age where like Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett got drafted and be like right around high school, like right after I like these guys the same age I am. What did they do in the NBA? Right. With American football, right? Like you just can't take an 18 year old kid and go have it throw him into the NFL because you'll get killed, right? They need extra time to just get bigger just so that they don't die. You know, two and a half years. I think it. You had to be three years, you had to be three years out of high school in order to be drafted in the NFL. I don't know if that's the same if it's the same now. And in basketball for a long time. It was one year. Yes, they'll be one year at a high school and LeBron changed that to the point where there were. I remember reading articles around the time like LeBron was coming out where they wanted to draft him as a junior in high school. Yeah, he was so good so early. Yeah. So not my cup of tea, but I had to admit he was he's frequently talented. Yeah, I enjoy playing basketball more than I am more than I do watch watching basketball be played. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm that way a lot of sports. So you mentioned, okay, so there's six guys on the squad right three three guys in the wing, a goalie and then two defense. Three forwards two defense men and a goalie. Okay, so six guys on the squad and you said something about lines. What is that? So, okay, so you're going to have most teams are going to have three lines. So you're going to have you have three forwards. So you'll have nine forwards. You'll have three lines of three different guys. So you can swap out because one thing that most people don't realize about hockey is and I remember. Like talking about talking to someone be like you get out there after about. Usually 35 to 40 seconds of going balls out. You're out of gas. You have to you have to change. You know, you need to change and you know you hop over the boards and then say I played left wing a lot. The left winger on whatever whatever line the coach called to go out next. There's always a first line, a second line, a third line. You know who that is at the beginning of the game. And so if I'm coming in, if I'm on the ice and I'm like. I'm I'm guest. I need I need I need to rest. He's going to call second. You know, if I'm playing first line, he's going to be called the second or third line. Left wing and then that person will jump out and will. Will replace me. But usually when I'm jumping out, you want to get my sensor. And the coach will start screaming for the center on my line and the right wing around my line to hop out to. So that you can get the other two guys out there who have been playing together. Who who are used to playing together on the ice? Okay. Each line is is something where you're going to be practicing together. You're going to get to know your you're going to get you know you're going to get to know where your guy is going. You know, if I have the puck in the corner, I knew where Chris V was going. I knew he was going to you know, he was going to go to the top of the circle or something like that for a slap shot. And I had to set him up for one timer or just feed it into throw it in front of the net. And hopefully, you know, he could zip it in or something like that. Okay. So you're you have three lines and there are. In many cases where there are fourth lines, but the fourth line is usually your least talented players. You may put them out there only if like your three your first three lines are completely gassed and they need a little. You know, whatever line you want to put out next needs. But like it's an extra in a typical NHL game say you start. Game starts with the first line on both sides. How long are those guys playing before they get swapped out five minutes, ten minutes. It's. 40 seconds. Yeah. Wow, you cannot stay on the ice. I was talking to a marathon runner. And he had picked up hockey later in life. I think started playing hockey and it was like 22 and he started playing in men's leagues in South Florida when he was 22. And we were, you know, I told them I have pretty much been playing my whole life and everything. And. He, we started talking to him. He's like, and he's like, yeah, you know, I've run marathons for, you know, since I was like, you know, since I was like 15 so like that. He'd been running marathons, you know, 26 miles, 26.2 miles for seven years. I said, oh, that must really help with your win. He's like, are you crazy? He goes, there's no correlation. He is, I'm out there for 40 seconds, 45 seconds and I need, I need to get off the ice. I mean, it gasses you, especially if you're hitting, especially if you're, if you're getting hit and you're hitting, I mean, you go out there and it is balls fucking out for 40 to 40 seconds. It's like full on spreading. Oh, yeah. And then you have to get off the ice. Now, a defenseman can have, if you're a forward, you're going to have shorter shifts. You can have defensemen who can stay out there for a while because if they're true defenseman and they're not puck rushing defenseman like Bobby Orr, you can hang back and you can actually, if your team is, if you're hanging out at the line while your team is in the offense is in the offensive zone and your winners and your, if your forwards are up there and they're trying, you can, you can actually get a breather as a defenseman, but a defenseman usually isn't going to last longer than a minute, a minute, 15 seconds. And then you can get a little bit more water and hour and there are three 20 minute periods or three 20 minute, yeah, three 20 minute periods. Okay. So, so the reason a hockey game looks like total chaos is because it's an hour of every once a minute, like a line getting changed out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So you're going to have 50 line changes in a game. Yeah. I know what I couldn't follow it. Like this makes no sense. What's so hot? Yeah. People just jumping over, you know, jumping over the boards left and right. You know, just swapping out, switching out. I mean, it is, it's okay. That's what I heard it was control chaos. That makes complete sense as to why I couldn't follow it. First of all, because the puck is very small, moving very fast and very hard to follow from the television. But then just like, it just looks like a madhouse out there because apparently it's a madhouse like that that makes total sense why I couldn't follow the game is. I had no idea like a shift was 30 seconds long. I mean, it's also it's complete insanity sometimes where that puck. That's galvanized rubber. It's hardest buck man. I don't know how many times I've been hitting the face with it. I mean, I mean, well, there's reason those guys are all missing teeth. Well, yeah, everybody thinks it's because of fighting. It's not because of fighting. Because you got hit and face galvanized piece wherever the movies at what 50 miles an hour. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, some there are guys like I can't remember what the name of the defenseman for the Bruins. He was like Zeno chara. Yeah, like sometimes you get up to like 104 miles an hour slap shot. Oh, yeah, I mean, you talk about fractured cheekbones fractured orbitals. If that catches you, right? Yeah, most people are missing like I'm missing teeth. I lost my teeth because somebody I was playing with somebody who wasn't as fucking good as I was and completely lost control on their skates. Their feet went out from under them and they just their hands went backwards and their stick just like they lost control their stick. I just took a stick in the mouth. And like I get popped. I taste the blood. I put my tongue at my teeth and I'm like, well, I don't have those anymore. I was 13 years old. Yeah, well, and I mean, because I hang out with races on the internet, there's that one game in England where that Negro guy like the kid killed that other dude with the skate. He should have been in prison for life for that. But you know, you got guys moving at 25 30 miles an hour with razorweeds on their feet, carrying like I don't know what they're made out of, but like sticks. And this fuck moving it 100 miles an hour or you know, probably 80 like I imagine everybody's life shots in the 80s. Like that's that's a dangerous environment. And then you've got the you know, every 60 seconds somebody, you know, guys moving on and off the ice like it's that's nuts. The stick. You know, there were some problems with the stick for a while. So originally the stick was wood with you know, with fiberglass cover, especially on the blade reinforce for fiberglass on the blade. Those those sticks break very easily break them all the time. The blades just pop off. Then someone got the idea that they were going to make the sticks like one piece fiberglass all the way. Then someone got the bright idea of well, you know, so people are sick and tired of buying new sticks all the time. You got to buy a whole new stick. Let's have a metal shaft all the way down to the blade. And then you can just change the blade. Okay. One of the problems with that is is that first of all, metal. You don't want people on a hockey ranked with having a metal basically a metal bar. I remember one player. I can't remember who it was. It was someone on Tampa. And he got slashed in the hand. with somebody from someone who had one of those metal metal frames. What is what is slashing? Please slashing is you take you take the stick to hand it and you Basically, it sounds like it sounds like what it is you slash someone with the stick either in their salt with your stick Basically assault with the stick, but slashing is the penalty. This is too many penalty if you get caught doing it So he slashes a guy in the hand and Because he had a metal because he had one of these metal frame sticks He takes his glove off and his fucking pinky is hanging Like literally like I freaking dislocated and like his pinky. He's got a compound fracture and his pinky is hanging So I don't know if they use those metal sticks anymore. I hope they don't I don't think they do But the um You know Wood the good thing about wood is it would break. I mean you you hit someone with a wooden stick There's a good chance if they have good equipment I'll just hit the equipment and break and you know won't do too much damage But um that's just an as an aside But yeah the the violence of the game slashing is a penalty Two minutes if it's gross if if it's if it's uh if they consider it to be um, you know Up beyond the pale kind of slashing you get four minutes if it's really fucking horrible You get five minutes or a game misconduct get kicked after the game you possibly a suspension um Elbowing Can't hit someone with an elbow Um, that's two minutes Could could turn into five or something like that tripping Tripping is the most obvious one because tripping would be the most obvious thing you'd want to do if someone's like skating by you You take the blade of your stick put it right into their skates and just give it a yank I mean they're like you said they're skate your skating on razor blades As just very easy to fall or you put your stick you can put your stick right between their legs You don't even have to have a pulling um you don't even have to use any force you just stick it between their leg Someone's legs and it caused them to fall um No, what are you gonna get it beat up so bad holy cow Yeah, oh yeah, I mean you I mean you can Brutalized out there man. It's a it really depends um It depends how I don't know What the I don't really know what the game is like anymore. I don't know how I know like in basketball You can't even like touch anybody anymore from what I understand people like you can't read the whole like Like just elderly people in the face that used to happen in the 80s and 90s not happen anymore. Yeah I don't know how I don't know what what's hot at what hockey is like like I said I haven't I've watched some games and that I've mostly watched playoff games and during the playoffs they tend to let things go a little more You know they don't want the you know you don't want to play off games decided by a penalty where By the way, here's something else say I'm out there and I I'll boast somebody and I get a two-minute penalty I go to the penalty box for two minutes and now my team is shorthanded my team only has four guys and the goalie on the ice and the other team has five guys and they're goalie on the ice So it's a huge advantage Okay, so they they can't Uh Just swap out like if if you were the left wing they could just swap out another left wing guy while you're in in the penalty box Nope, nope you got to play with you got to play play one man down and that's the other It's what they call the other team has a power play and you're playing shorthanded and If they if the other team scores within that two minutes you come out of the penalty box So if they score your penalty is not negated but you don't have to stay in the penalty box now if it's like a Major like they've decided that you elbowed somebody and you were trying to like really hurt them You got a five-minute major Then you'd be down for five minutes and they could score as much as they wanted Your a goal wouldn't take you out of the penalty box, but for a two-minute A two-minute penalty if they scored within 10 seconds you're right back out you're right back out and probably on the bench because The coach is gonna be fucking pissed at you for you know for taking a penalty and the other team scoring so Hockey uh fighting is normally five minutes Both both guys will get five minutes and that'll just negate It'll negate each other. I mean sometimes there are some there are sometimes where You it won't be four on four where it'll be five on five, but there's sometimes it'll be four on four I've never really understood the fucking rules behind that um But the um So yeah, so fighting is is five minutes and um Most penalties are gonna be two minutes So like uh there's like 17 games in an NFL season or something like that 82 games in an NBA season something like a hundred and fifty games in a baseball season How many games in an NHL season 82 Same as NBA. Oh, okay Yeah, so have you have season tickets and you have full season tickets and not like a half season You had tickets of 41 games And if you make each one of them you don't have a life Probably yeah, I've had full I've had full season tickets that I always end up Always end up giving him away to people because like I just can't make every game Or you know like the one year we had seasons tickets to the Panthers and um they won nine home games So I took us to 41 games and they won nine home games Ouch, that's that's where you you're just going to the games and drinking people is rent I Mean that trick could be the literate is kind of at European pastime. So I guess that I I think that Um, I don't know what what tickets are costing these days, but I know it's like much more reasonable God Is it then other major sports like That the NBA and NH and NFL tickets are just insane. Let me show you know So Let me say Art of Santa Florida Panthers ticket places So Ottawa see their plant Ottawa at home two tickets um So yeah and the upper And the upper rose for the Florida Panthers who are having a horrible season Um, even though they're Stanley Cup champions Um 29 bucks 29 dollars at ticket that's all yeah up in the news leads But well yeah, but but if you're like taking a kid to a sporting event like yeah You know the the same ticket at like the where are the Florida Panthers play out of Um Barter County Florida Okay, I don't think of the other area Where's the like the nearest NFL team Miami Miami dolphins Okay, yeah, like compare that to it like in those weed Miami dolphins seat Well, what for me they only they only play what 18 games or 16 games. So yeah, it's gonna be so like if you wanted um Like roads one Row one one now that row one so I'm looking at um row 12 Down by the ice so your 12 rows off the ice for the Florida Panthers in the corner It's 70 75 dollars a piece which I mean is kind of not bad although Although um Oh, no, that's 222 dollars each that's not good But um Yeah, this one Now this one's 76 dollars a piece. Yeah, that's not bad if you if you want to get really close to the ice You're gonna have to pay But um this one's only 12 rows off the ice and um And it's 76 dollars a piece which isn't bad at all actually Oh like like as Might out missed or something spending 150 dollars on an event like opera tickets are gonna cost you that in a much Yeah, right. I mean sympathy tickets are gonna cost that much Yeah, right You know Graduation present for a nephew or something And I think you do an NHL game, you know, that'd be kind of cool Mm-hmm It's it's a good game It's a better game to see like live. I always tell people if they want to get into hockey go see a game live before you start watching on TV You'll enjoy it more on TV after you see it live Okay, because just try I've tried to watch it on TV a few times and it's just it's incomprehensible Yeah, it's hard they um it's hard to follow Um it's a follow the pup for a lot of people and plus if you don't really know the game a lot it's gonna be uh It could be it could be confusing but the um So Oh, what else is there? I don't uh You can keep asking questions and I don't like Uh Again explain this to me like I'm a fighter year old recharge. What other, I mean, there's the original six teams. There's what like 30 teams now. Oh, God, yeah, how many teams are there now? It's um, I know about this crack and I know about the Las Vegas golden nights. Isn't there a team in Utah? There might be. I have no idea. Now let me see, uh, standing. Let's see. Three six. Okay, division eight. Okay. Okay. So there's 16 in the east and 32. There's a 16 in the west. So there's 32 teams total. Okay. The Seattle crack and Vegas golden nights. I remember that. I mean, these are teams that didn't even exist when I, uh, when I started watching. So like, the team said it existed when I started watching hockey. Buffalo Sabers, Montreal Canadians, Boston Bruins, Detroit Red Wings, Toronto Maple Leafs, Islanders, Pittsburgh, Panguins, Philadelphia Flyers, Washington Capitals. Yeah, there's a team called the Utah, the Utah's, a team called the mammoth. The Winnipeg Jets who went away for a while and then came back St. Louis Blue, Chicago Black Hawks. Edmunds. Is is New York's only team with two hockey teams? Well, let's see. New York has the Islanders and the Rangers, but then right over the, you have the New Jersey Devils, which are it is where they play is, I mean, not a far drive from where the Rangers actually play. Um, who else is there? So, um, and then Boston is one of the first six, right? Boston didn't know. Boston doesn't know. Yeah, I think Los Angeles and Los Angeles Kings and Anaheim, Anaheim Ducks. Okay. That would be the same, same neighborhood. Okay. So not a lot of double up teams and then no, Florida, you have the Panthers and you have the lightning, but there are four hour drive away from each other. Yeah, Florida's large. It's ridiculous. It takes forever to drive from one end to the other. Yeah. If you were to go to Miami, uh, uh, uh, uh, Tallahassee. Yeah. Oh, Jets. Tallahassee is a long, shit. That's a long, well, that's the, I mean, are there any, any other big cities in the Pan handle that are closer to the Alabama line? I can't really think of anything, but if you're to go, that's like a 15 hour drive in it. Yeah. Yeah. That's a long, that's a, that's a longer than actually going from Miami to where I live in Alabama. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, 32 teams. I don't, I think there were. Okay. So when I started watching hockey, there were 21 and 16 teams made the playoffs. So there's only five teams that didn't make the playoffs that always seem kind of weird to me. But then you had the WHOA, which was the world, which was the World Hockey Association, which was out of Canada. And that brought a bunch of other teams into the league like, um, who was it? Definitely, um, the Edmonton Oilers, definitely, I think Calgary Flames, you know, well, actually Calgary used to be at Atlanta. Atlanta had a hockey team. Atlanta strives to have a hockey team a couple times and it didn't work out. They had the Atlanta. Imagine my shock that Atlanta. Yeah. Well, yeah. Atlanta Flames, which I mean, you want to talk about fuck you name to for Atlanta, for an Atlanta team. Um, and then they had the Atlanta thrashers for a while and that didn't work out. I forget what the Atlanta thrashers became. They might have been, became Winnipeg. I can't remember. But so, but the national predator didn't exist when I was a kid and the Dallas stars didn't exist. Um, the Dallas stars would have been a, the Dallas stars with the Minnesota, where the Minnesota North stars. And now it's the Minnesota. They have the Minnesota wild. So the hockey team left Minnesota and then Minnesota is like, hey, you know, we're like one of the hockey capitals of America. We need a fucking team here. No, I mean, Minnesota is like, but most of the guys who played in the 80 Olympics were, uh, either Minnesota or Minnesota. Right. Right. Like, there's like hockey. It's true. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, maybe a little bit of Illinois and then like doing London, New York. There's a great line from the movie Miracle. The one where Kurt Russell plays her Brooks. That's a great movie story of the 1980. And one of the guys goes, oh, you got a bunch of guys from Minnesota and Boston. Yeah, that's going to work out really well. Those guys hated each other. Five minutes. Well, how often is the frozen for like the Minnesota golden gofers the Boston college, if you come with a name team and, you know, like it's like BC Minnesota, the Wisconsin Badgers and then like some teams. Colorado. Yeah, the university, like every once in a while, the University of Colorado sneaks in there too. Right. But like, and even those guys like like, like, you know, the it's March badness. I think right now I, I hardly pay attention to college basketball anymore. But like when I did pay attention to college basketball, like you could be virtually guaranteed that like the guys who played really well in the tournament would be in the NBA next year. Right. At some of them would be big time players. And, you know, the frozen for hockey tournaments. Right. Like the really good guys their age were already playing in the NHL and in on the farm system, you know. So yeah, most of the guys who played on the 1980 Olympic team did not make it in the NHL. They were, they were basically career like college players. You know, even the Goliath Jim Craig Jim Craig played for Atlanta and played, but he didn't really have, he didn't have it in a shell career. I think Mark Pavlitz, Mark Pavlitz played, played at a decent, they were not many guys. I think there were only three or four guys who actually had like really prosperous careers in the NHL. I mean, it's 1980. You gotta remember, it's still in 1980, the like 90% of the guys in the NHL are Canadian. So, right. Well, they had a national system to, you know, like you don't produce, I mean, like if you got a like Canadian hockey players on Wikipedia, right. The list is as long as my arm. It's just the national sport in Canada. And you don't produce, it was Mario Lemieux community. Oh, yeah. I mean, Lemieux. Right. So he's Kibble from Chibble, right? And because because when I was growing up like the three best players were in the 90s, were like Gwaine Graski was on the tail in his career, but he was still, you know, he was known as the great one for a reason. And Mario Lemieux was like up and coming and keden. And well, Brett Hall, right? Like he was on Dallas, I want to say. Yeah, Brett Hall was, isn't he an idiot too? Well, here's a funny story about that. So he talked about it in 1996 when they had the World Cup of hockey. And it was before the season started. And NHL players played in it. It was, you know, a bunch of guys playing for their home countries. Brett Hall, his dad was Canadian, Bobby Hall, hockey Hall famer, but Bobby married an American. And Brett Hall wanted to play for team Canada, I think in 1986. I can't remember the name of the coach for team Canada though, but he like told said, I don't like the kid. I don't want him on the team. And Brett Hall, I got a chip on his shoulder. And he was like, fuck you. Then I'm going to, I'm going to use my American, I'm going to use my American citizenship to play for the USA. And I mean, thank God he did because in the 19, they wouldn't know one that the World Cup in 1996 if if that, okay, so Canadian coach had insulted Brett Hall. So they won the 90s because Brett Hall was a joint US American, Canadian American. Okay. So right, like the three best players in the 90s, all Canadian. Pretty much. Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, one one was half Canadian. Okay. Well, but his dad was also one of the greatest hockey players of all time because even I know that I'm Bobby Hall. Yeah, right. Like that's, that's amazing. Yeah. And I mean, and to to that point, I think it's, you know, like America's getting smaller. So like big guys like me, I mean, you've met, we're on pretty tall. I'm having a hard time finding clothes that fit in the store because the population is shrinking because it's getting more Hispanic and more Asian. And so, like being big and fast and strong isn't like the BLN, all of like things like winning fights, but it never hurt. And a society that can produce like lots of big, you know, in both world wars, right? The Canadians or the Americans or the Aussies and New Zealanders would go over to Europe and everyone would be like, "Holy shit, these guys are giants, what the hell? What do they feed them over there?" And it's like lots of meat, you know, and the French and the British were like, "What the fuck? These guys are monsters." You know, a society that can produce those kind of guys, that's a good thing. Like we can discuss, you know, neither do I want to discuss politics, this particular juxtaposition, but like a society that produces like lots of really athletic guys that are somewhere between, you know, 5'8" to 6'3" and, you know, 175 to 230 pounds and they're all strong and they're all quick and they're all coordinated. Like that's a reserve in terms of like a prosperous functioning society that you want people to have. Like if everyone in your society played hockey, then everybody knows how to like look dude, you're a defenseman, your job is this. And I think that a society that doesn't have things like sports in common and is a less cohesive, less functioning society. So if we're going to pick a national game, let's pick one that's socially useful and I think hockey would fit the bill, you know. Yeah, I mean, I agree, but the South is just, I mean, we're, I live in SEC country. Yeah, it's just college football. It's just college football college football college football. Well, yes, but, but they're, I mean, if you listen to Jose just published an episode about how they're major high schools in Dallas that don't have the ability to feel the hockey, a football team anymore because of the South Asian invasion. You know, like this is not, I mean, I'm consciously trying to get into hockey because it's the white sport. And I want to support the people that don't have me where obviously the NFL and NBA, like they just completely, they want nothing to do with being and I'm fine with that. But, you know, hockey, I can't think of a great hockey nation, whether it's any of the Scandinavian countries or Russia or Canada or the United States or any Eastern European countries that like, this is a place that I would never want to live and I don't like their society. Like hockey seems to me to be a sport for like places that I would like like, or would have 100% formerly, you know, like what I'd be happy with momo right now, probably not. But like Stockholm, nice spring day, sounds like a pretty good time. And yeah, I think the, um, I used to, um, well, let's say allegedly, I used to, um, I used to have a, um, access to a lot of European channels, TV channels, probably not sanctioned, but you know, allegedly this happened. The games, the games in the German league are great. You know, I would watch games from Germany and just the German leagues themselves are great. The Swedish leagues, they have Swedish elite leagues. Those are great. You know, and I mean, these are, I mean, it is, it's a white sport. I mean, it's, you've had some good black players over the years, but they're the exception that proves the rule. You know, you've had like, um, you know, I mean, one, one Hispanic, I can really think of Scottie Gomez and he was American from Alaska, um, really good player. But you know, when it comes, when it comes down to it, I mean, it's a white sport. I mean, my high school team, we had, I mean, guys with my, my last name, another Hispanic last name had a black dude playing on the team. I mean, it's New York City. And, you know, none of us were ghetto. You know, we were all going to a nice Catholic school and, um, you know, having, you know, paying tuition and, you know, we all spoke properly. As proper as you can speak with the New York accent. And yeah, but the exception is really the exception. It just reminded me of something hilarious. There was this player in the 70s. Orange Canadian guy, Roger Lbert. Rod, if you spelled his name, it'd be Rod Gilbert. I know his pronounced Roger Lbert because French Canadian. He said one of the funniest fucking things in an interview, I remember. And they got so mad at him, even back then. They asked him. They said, um, how come there aren't more black hockey players? And he said, well, because in Canada, we use black people as hockey bucks. Well, I mean, the one example I have of a black hockey player that I know of, you know, committed murder in the ice in England. So well, the goalie for that great Edmonds and Euler's team was Grant Führer. And he was a black guy. There was a drum again, La played a long career. He was like African. He wasn't like African American. I mean, it's like, he was like half African. His mom was born in Africa or something like that. But I mean, when it comes down to it, you're talking about, you're really just talking about the exception. I mean, you have, I think last so far, I pushed into players or P.O. You're saying hockey basically selects for like intact families with a little bit of money. Yeah. Right. Like that between like taking kids to, you know, five o'clock ice, five o'clock in the morning practices that all the gear, you know, skates and pads and sticks and helmets and all that stuff and ice fees and expensive. Right. Between, between all that, like you, it sounds like basically hockey, hockey filters for like intact families. Well, not only that here, here's the thing. Parents that are willing to get up at four or five o'clock in the morning and take you to play. Yeah, like involved parents. Yeah. I mean, you're, it's going to have to be parents who are now. Like the city like we would even if my dad didn't take us or something like that. A bunch of us would get together and travel together. We could ride the train, you know, or do something like that. But we were together. You know, we would, you know, strengthen numbers kind of thing. I mean, for the most part, when I was going to play at last skiers on a hundred and cents street in Central Park, that was my dad driving us. You know, and this is, you got to be there at seven, six, forty five in the morning, seven o'clock to suit up and get on the ice by seven thirty. So yeah, I mean, it's, you know, your parents are, parents are not only going to have to be present, but they're going to have to be involved. And they're going to have to be, I mean, they're going to have to want to be okay with you doing this or even promote you doing this. So it's not like the most famous hockey parent in America, you know, Sarah Palin. Like, right, you know, she'd meet lots of jokes about that, but, but that's the sort of thing that actually, yeah, like moms who have to care about their kids, like, you know, the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick, right? Like, you know, that's, that's a funny line. I mean, like, that's a funny line. Um, that's the sort of mom that actually really cares about their kids. You know, if hockey dads are like, we want to throw down about their kids not in a good enough ice time or whatever, like that's the dad that cares about their kids. So there was, um, there was, there was a, there was a hockey movie in the, in the 1980s, in 1986 called Youngblood star, starring Rob Lowe, Patrick Swaisy. Ken Reeves was in it. Ken Reeves actually plays a French Canadian in it and he's using a French Canadian accent and he's not bad at it. And it turns out he plays the goalie on the team. It turns out he was a goalie. Oh, right. So like, you see, I'm not sure if you're going to be able to do that. Yeah, so you see him like I could actually play this video, but I just wanted to play this one clip from the movie and Tell me if you would hear a clip like this in a movie today. Listen to this Game getting out of this big town. Thank God there's still a sport for middle-sized white boys Would you hear a lion Never and So I mean part of the part of the reason I mean this is is that I was a big sports fan over 20 out of years ago Because it's just if whatever else you want to say about it. It's a field of excellence and like you know It's extraordinary like someone's stuff that you just you know Shaxe 7 foot 2 300 pounds can bench press the truck right like it's it's extraordinary and Steve sailler right just was also a guy who's just his poor He would just talk about the truth about this stuff and The fact is is it like every other sport in the world every other big pro sport like selects for you know Maybe five people in the NBA or under six foot right And and most of them are like not just six foot, but like six four six five is the small guys They're fucking monsters. I mean a huge huge You know a substantial percentage of the of the population of the world that seven foot plus has played in the NBA Right like it's just That's the game right you know Got guys that are you know six foot five and three hundred pounds like a lot of those guys, you know the really really just Not tall guys, but just huge guys like they're all in the NFL right on on the line somewhere and You know the the NFL or the NHL is the only sport where there could be like a really great player who's 510 170 and You know he's just skilled Maybe baseball, but Yeah, the When I was growing up so in the 70s I think if I remember correctly the average height in the NHL was five foot 10 It's gotten a lot bigger six foot it's six foot one now um And the average weight is like 200 pounds When I was growing up it was a lot of skinny white guys who um You know who were five foot 10 and It's just one of those things where as players came in from Eastern Europe You know who were Had a tendency to be bigger especially a lot of it a lot of the Czech players were bigger and a lot of the Russian players came in who had a tendency to be stronger Someone like Vladimir Constancy enough who was just this he was a fucking cave man You know, it was just I mean it had shoulders that you could you know were just so broad and flat that you know players just had to get bigger and it was You know you still see you still see some players who are they're gonna be skill players are gonna be finesse players Who can be five foot 10 five foot five foot 11? but Yeah, most of the most of the guys now are gonna be in the six foot one range And I mean have goalies that are like six foot five six foot six when I was a kid like goalies were like five foot eight five foot nine You know so You know it It's um you know, it's changed As it become more international but then you know Remember when it's international. It's just becoming more slob and more Eastern European It's that like you know people it's not like they're coming in from they're importing seven footers from Africa Manuke bowl is coming. Yeah, that's not that a happening. It's gonna be you know, I even Ivan off from Kessimal ants, you know like like And a lot of those Russian players were finesse players too like a pow ball beret. I met pow ball beret and he was my height But I mean he was so fucking fast and so Graceful and he could do things with the puck that were I mean It were like it was like beautiful. He was like dancing. He was playing ballet. You know, it was ballet out there on skit you know on skates But yeah, I remember watching a documentary about like the Russian feeder program or something and I know that the like the broads Years ago was listening to reading something about the 80 Olympics and basically like the broad street bullies, right the Philadelphia That's Philadelphia, right? Yep, totally right. They just absolutely like destroyed the Russian team because they were all like finesse But I remember watching this documentary about the about the Russian farm system whatever they're equivalent of like the a junior hockey is And they actually had the guys like doing like ballet in the summers, right? Like it's like you know like Yeah, it's a documentary. Yeah, uh-huh and I Understand it by people on our side of defense like signal against sports ball And I absolutely understand like the whole obsession with sports is a poison in a culture Especially the way we do sports in North America, particularly in the United States like I get it but also like you have to have a healthy masculinity outlet and like you know What some guy does something wrong on on the field and he gets Backed in the next week like there's some justice in that that I think that like those lines in life There's some kind of lessons you can only learn playing sports There's a lot a lot of life lessons that can only be learned playing sports and I think that that's a good thing that like People learn those well team sports is also important too because it you know teachers it gets you out of that individualality mindset You know playing it's tennis is and my brother was a oh my brother was a phenomenal tennis player full yet offers for full scholarships to I Mean 20 25 30 colleges, but yeah, that's that's an individual sport and Team sport is something especially hockey. I mean you're you really are it's It's very hard to be one guy out on the ice Yeah, you you're relying on your on your guys out there So you know it helps to build that collective kind of spirit and You know you're not That that whole thing of oh we're just we're all individuals and collectivism is communism and everything like that. Okay. Well, you know, fuck you but I like to play in team sports I I like being part of a team even though I didn't really have a lot in common with a lot of the guys on the team But when it came to being on the ice and in locker room we got along but you know what's ice cool with these guys and I ran with a different crowd like the jock crowd even though I played But you know still everyone you know had a click and the Planet team sport like that especially Yeah, when you're playing football you can get totally like You have lineman on opposite sides of the line who may never you know They're not doing anything together You know In tandem but hockey when you only have five guys out there and you're condensed into this You know Like Football is a very bimodal sport right at certain levels like if Two-way balls aren't really a thing anymore But like you know the offense of the defense are almost totally separate teams with totally separate ways of doing things and totally separate There's two separate games playing defense and football and playing offensive football are completely different versus hockey, you know at six guys We're out there all the time together. They're all doing the same thing You know trying to win a game And even the goalie Even if he's slightly different I mean the goalie is for the goalie is relying upon his defenseman as much as As much as a forward, you know a winger is relying upon his center to get him the puck You know the goalie is Really the goalie is the general out there you You will see a lot of goalies When their team is on the other end of the ice on when there are they on the offensive end There are goalies that will skate up almost to their blue line and you'll hear them barking Like they'll be barking out orders like hey, you know watch this what you know so Goli's can actually become generals out there and when you're backing your own defensive end and the other team like Defense in in your goalie you have to listen to your goalie. So You mentioned like this center being the quarterback like in basketball your smartest players tend to be point guards in Baseball at the catchers are goalies the guy like are more like a lot of former coaches in baseball will be like former catchers right because they were there were the guys who were the most like saw the whole field or whatever and tended to be the more intellectual players. A lot of point guards end up being coaches in the NBA. A lot of quarterbacks end up as coaches in football. Is it like goalies and centers that end up being like if someone was to retire or from playing and then become a coach is it like. Would that be like goalies and centers or you have goal you have goalies and centers. A lot of times if you go through I'd have to go through like the head coaches like when I was growing up most of the head coaches of the teams had never played in the NHL. It was they they were coaches it strangely enough came up through that those junior systems as well. You know they started being they played in the juniors they weren't good enough to play in the NHL so that they they became coaches and you know trainers and stuff like that and then they just worked their way their way up. I know law and Patrick law was was a head coach for a while but who who could understand him as French accent. Jeez. The Quebec wax had is like red neck fraction. It's very difficult. It's so I lived you know where I lived in in fall of law. There were a lot of Quebec law and yes sometimes it'd be like what that's also what you guys lived them in the same building I did then they're what are you talking about. Can't you slow down but yeah I'm trying to thank now like players and where they play yeah centers yeah bring them more yeah yeah yeah centers goalies trying to think of defenseman defend to me defenseman would be would be making good head coach. Huh is it defenseman you goalie can see the whole ice everything's happening on the ice but so is the defenseman. Oh that's got me thinking now for sure someone's screaming at me going Pete come on you know this I just don't like I said at after I really liked watching still watched I didn't like it but I still watched a lot of sports went up until the time COVID hit when COVID hit I just I was so pissed off at all these leagues for shutting down and everything. Oh yeah I understand. It was just it's like fuck you guys you know it's like why would you do this. Well you're giving up billions I mean you know I wrote something at the time that these guys had to have been getting reimbursed they had to have been promised to get that money back and everything I'm sure they did. As worse than you know there was there was a strike in the 2000s they shut the league down and like a bunch of people went and played in Europe and a lot of people went played in Russia in the Russian leagues everything and I understood that you know it's like yeah you're gonna have people who are gonna strick you know they're gonna strike and everything like that and then be like for free agency or for you know more mostly for you know we want to have more control over who I can sign with so you don't have to wait to be in the league so long to become an unrestricted free agent things like that but yeah COVID was just the I just I couldn't get past that COVID just changed pretty much everything for me it's like that's how yeah I just dove head first and said the political and had to figure out what the hell and why why all this was happening. Well I you know that's why we're friends actually is that is that a friend of field house actually was like what happened to Pete was like well 2020 cleared him with the delusion that people want to be free like I heard repeat from libertarian days like yeah yeah actually he was and then everyone was like oh I don't want freedom freedom sounds it key and hard like well yeah that's that's kind of the point but you know it's it's having played in that team sport right knowing your role and and doing like not everyone's got to be the rock star or not everyone's got to be you know our mutual friend Mike Ferris right like everyone thinks they're in a superhero movie now yeah and everyone you know like like everyone has main character syndrome it's like that's not how life works actually that's that's that's a very unhealthy way to let go about living life a lot of people have main characters syndrome man you know I don't know if you heard the episode I haven't really stayed yet with Darryl and field house I was listening to it right before we got on actually yeah Darryl made a really good point he said you know people everybody wants to be a general no one wants to be no one wants to be able to take no let's take orders well and that's I learned from doing certain team sports that like I'm not good at certain things like I'm just not but what I am good at I'm good at and it's all like I'm not going to try and do like you do such an amazing job with this show of finding all these different guests and dealing with all these different things headaches that I just would be bad at and being friendly when like respectful people that I just want to be like you're a fuck more odd and like and you know like host to the show and and being like a subject matter expert are two different things and I think that you know playing a team sport where it's like hey man your job is this we need you to do this one thing consistently and that's you know that's your day job that's you know that's your family life right dads can't be moms moms can't be dads and and you know I look at the kind of societies hockey produces or hockey comes from and I'm like this is a good sport and I want to learn more so yeah thanks thanks for the education people yeah man I'm glad I could help I recommend if you want to get a good like an entertaining hockey movie okay people are going to tell you a slap shot slap shot is actually a really good hockey movie but it concentrates too much on on fighting it is more of a you know it's an enjoyable movie I mean Paul Newman Paul Newman actually learned how to friggin play hockey to to be in that movie and Paul Newman was like almost 50 at the time so you gotta give it's a Paul Newman it's a good movie but the 1986 movie Youngblood is such a good movie to like get into hockey with because it's like I was watching a video of somebody reviewing it earlier today and what was his he had a really good line about it he said where is it he said Youngblood actually got hockey right so there are some things in it where if you're a hockey fan you'll be like uh uh and he he points it out but when it comes down to it like it's it's a good introduction hockey movie and you know I played that one little clip from it and you know it really is just shows you that um if this is a sport that was you know dominated by Canadian white boys from small towns even though they're in it takes place in Hamilton Ontario that they keep calling a small town but as the guy points out in the video Hamilton Ontario is like half a million people um I would hate to see what Hamilton Ontario is right now um it's not good I could know it's like when I found out what happens at Brampton yeah similar to similar thing and I only know because the late great capy shayton was was from Hamilton uh and you complain about it but yeah it's if anybody like wants to watch a movie about hockey find Youngblood it's you it's entertaining it has everything um it has it has movie tropes where you know the main character you know is attracted to the coach's daughter you know kind of I mean the other just that those kind of tropes and everything but they're um but it's a fun movie and uh there are some line you know there are some themes in it some lines in it that you're um you're gonna laugh your ass off and you'll be like uh never get away with saying that today you know slap shots in other one of those movies it's like that too it's just like uh this movie is really white it's like yeah because it's hockey right well and that's that's that's one of the things about hockey that's attractive is that that's still European culturally yeah and that's uh that's uh something that ought to be preserved yeah ma all right well let's get out of here I appreciate this and um nice to talk about and uh share a little bit of uh videos and everything about or skits relive some, you know, I didn't do much research for this, but, you know, looking up some of the videos and watching some of the things, I was like, oh, man, I used to love this so much. It's like, I gotta get back into it. I gotta start watching again. Although, you know, the national predators did put out their, did you see that logo they put out the other day? No. Rainbow logo. I was gonna say, was it Jeffrey Epstein? Well, it was like a, like they, they did their logo with like a rainbow, rainbow colors. It's like, God, come on. They tried to, you know, they didn't get you to appear. I moved to the national. Couldn't you just do like, you know, so that I'm, he moved, he moved his business to Nashville. And then he was like, yeah, I'm gonna stay in here and went to Miami. Oh, that makes all the sense. Or went to a bulk or something like that. Yeah, I went where they all are. But yeah, so he gets to say, oh, my business is in Nashville, but yeah, where do you live been? Oh, go. I mean, fly. Well, that's not talking about politics. But, um, well, I'm, I promote your chef. Uh, well, I have the fundamental principle on telegram. Pete's been kind enough beyond it. And of course, um, I'm fortunate enough to be a regular guest on the thoughtcrime set ticket with Pete and our mutual friends, Charles Badeel and Jose Nino. Um, I was just on Jose show that should come out in the next couple days. And, um, I did an episode of the third rail last week or something like that. So I'm just kind of, you know, here and everywhere, usually talking about, you know, doing portraits and awful things, which, uh, you know, there's been no shortage, definitely. So I appreciate Pete giving me the chance to talk about something I, I genuinely could learn something about. Yeah. So, I'm a, I appreciate it. Thank you. You're welcome.