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And we're the host of everyone watches Women's Sports. A new podcast from Together in I Heart Women Sports. We're breaking down the biggest headlines. Naomi Osaka showing out. Shout out to you now. The viral moments out of the obsessed with Koshan Rock's boxing journey. She looks good. Her combos are swift. And the stories everyone's talking about across women's sports. Because everyone watches women's sports. Listen to everyone watches women's sports. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Stuff You Should Know. From Howstuffworks.com. Hey and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. And that makes the stuff you should know. The podcast. I've been working on my African accent. Was that it? Sort of. I've also been told by some people. Chuck, we love your accents because they're kind of bad, but they're funny. And other people said, "My God, please don't ever do accents again." Oh, you got to keep doing it. Of course, though. People can't tell me what to do. I think your Africaner is a little rough. Yeah, the edges come especially compared to your Italian. Well, sure. Not easy though. But that's a no problem. So do you want to say a word in Africaner? I think I know that you know one. A part of tag? Yes. And it means a part-ness in Africaner. In African? Yes. Sure. Which is the language? Yeah. Well, where did I get Africaner? That is the person who is an Africaner. Okay, guys. And they speak Africans. So in Africans, a part-time means a part-ness. Yeah. And you capitalize it. And the reason you capitalize it is because for about 50 years, a little less than 50 years, it was a national policy in South Africa. And it was brutal. Yeah. And awful. And the whole world said, you know what South Africa? We judge you. And for good reason. Yeah. I remember being a kid. And we'll get to this later. But the artist against apartheid was the first time I ever heard that word. Yeah. As a young teenager, Bano telling me, don't play Sun City. Sun City was built in '81. Okay. Sun City, first of all, is a resort in South Africa. And, you know, it's a little Stephen Vanzant of the sopranos. Yeah. And the E Street band, wrote the song called, "I Ain't Gonna Play Sun City." Got all these people to sing on it, sort of in the way of the world era. It was like you too, the Curtis Blow, to Africa, Bumbata, to Peter Gabriel. I did like so many people around that song. All of these miles Davis was on there. Yeah. Like everybody was there. It was a good song. Yeah. It was a good-ish song. It was okay. But it was like, I ain't gonna play Sun City. And not only was it a song, but it was like a movement. And an agreement, like a creed that you're kind of signing. Yeah. So who played? I saw the Elton John and Queen and Linda Ronstat played during a part-time. Sonatra played? I mean, yeah. They knew ahead of time that there was like a, you know, Sun City was not a good place to be. And it was in a part-time. It was a good place to be if you were in a pro-partite South African with a lot of money because it was a very nice resort. Yeah, and you want to gamble. And they would get big name acts. But if you went there and played there and made money there, even if you didn't make money there, actually, the U.N. had an anti-apartite unit. And they kept track of who was playing there. And they would publish a blacklist. And there was a huge, huge backlash against it. Most people were just like, sorry, sorry. If you said it publicly, I'm very sorry that I went and played Sun City. I'm not gonna go to a part-time South Africa again as a performer. They would take you off the list. But it was still like that it's really smacked of McCarthyism because they used a blacklist for suspected communists in the entertainment industry. And this is the same thing. Yeah, but in this case, in this case, they were on the side of right. The blacklisters were. But yeah, so if you went to Sun City, you ended up on this list and actually really interestingly, Tim Reed, Venus Firetrap. He went down to South Africa with Howard Hussman, Johnny Feaver. Of WKRP in Cincinnati. Because WKRP in Cincinnati was a really huge hit down there. Really? Yeah. So they had Venus and Johnny Feaver come down. And Tim Reed was one of the first African Americans invited to apartheid South Africa to not perform. Like this was just a publicity tour. Right. And he spent the whole time speaking out against apartheid. And he still ended up on the U.N.'s blacklist. Because he received like a per diem or something during his publicity tour there. And he spoke out there's a Chicago Tribune article from the time from like 1986 that interviews him. And he is a really smart guy speaking out against this blacklister at the very least like how clumsy it was. Yeah. And they weren't using a scalpel at all. They were just like, oh, you went to South Africa and they gave you some money and now you're blacklisted. Right. And he's like, I was speaking out against apartheid. Like, what are you doing? So let's talk apartheid. Where did this come from Chuck? I mean, it was instituted in 1948 but it was way older than that. Yeah. Racial suppression was going on sort of from the 17th century on Africa or at least in southern Africa. And it wasn't South Africa at the time. We should point out we'll get to that though. Yeah. But the Dutch came there in the 17th century just as a little stop off station. They wanted to set up on the spice route that you send the company. They're like, we need a place to kick back a little bit and rest on this trip. Right. And so I was about to say they said, do you mind? They don't think they asked. No, they did not. They just sort of set up shop there and they were not there to colonize initially. That was just to set up a way station. Yep, just to set up a station. And but the because they were Europeans, they did bring along with them the thought that white people are going to do. White people are supreme to black people. Right. And to prove it, the world along black slaves with them. That's right. So that notion is immediately set up. Like, hey, we're better than you. Right. You can't tell us what to do. We have guns and we're more quote unquote advanced if you fall on those European lines of what advanced is. Right. And because they were Europeans during the age of exploration, they said, let's colonize anyway. Let's do it. That's true. So they did. And they started setting up settlements that weren't united, but were basically the Dutch. And then later on, the British into a much lesser extent, the French. Basically saying just undergoing a land grab that involved basically taking land from the indigenous people there. And then setting up farms. Sounds like another country. Yeah, sounds really familiar, doesn't it? Yeah, they basically would try and negotiate for land. And if that broke down, they were like, all right, we're taking it. Right. And then they would take the land, turning it, turning the land into plantation, start growing stuff for export. And then the people would say, we're starving out here. And the Dutch people would say, well, come on in and work for us for like next to nothing. It's a very least you'll live long enough to till our fields. And that's how the whole thing began. Yeah, basically, they would end up tilling the fields that they at one point owned themselves or used themselves. Right. As slaves. Right. And this was the Dutch at first until about the mid 1700s, then British activity picked up in the region. And they, you know, at the time it was, I think you said just like various separate societies farming, live in a grayery and lifestyle, ranching, hunter gathering. Right. And then the Dutch and then the Brits came down there with their own slaves and took the land and said, you know what? We're going to battle with each other over this area and eventually Britain gained control in the early 19th century from the Dutch even. But the Dutch were still there sort of running things. So yeah, they were way more Dutch settlers than British, but the British had managed to gain control of it. No, it was a British colony. And they said, but slavery is not legal. No, but you can be a certain you you are a servant. Basically. So we're going to codify this. And now for the first time in this area blacks were legally subservient to whites. Yeah. So instead of master slave, it was master servant, right? Big diff. And even though the British it was a British colony, it was still basically run and operated by the Dutch. That's right. And some Dutch didn't like that. So they pressed further and further inward and ultimately creating more and more of an area for the future South Africa by dominating these tribes. With guns, germ, steel, you know, that whole thing. Yeah. And then around about 1860 something really big happened a little bit into the interior. They discovered diamond.
and gold and said, "Oh, we're staying." Yeah, and they said, "You know, we know you love farming and all that good stuff, but we think you'd be much happier working in a mine for next to nothing." At the very least, it would make us happier if you were working in our minds. That's right. And you know what? We're gonna brutalize you. We're gonna segregate you. We're gonna give you the most dangerous jobs. Yeah. And humiliate you and do cavity searches. And you know what? Now you have to have a past book to go to your job as a minor. And you're gonna be paid a lot less. And the past books, the reason we mentioned that, is it soon became a staple that you couldn't go anywhere you weren't supposed to go without a past book. Right. It was initially started as a work thing, though. In the minds of South Africa, that's where apartheid was born. And a lot of the apartheid techniques, like you say, past books. And just the general degradation of blacks in South Africa area, it all began. I mean, it was already in place, but just the brutality of it, I take it really picked up in the minds. Yeah, for sure. So that was what? The 1860s. Yeah. And that was pretty much the way it was. It was a British colony in South Africa. It was in South Africa, yeah. But it was a British colony. The Dutch were ruling it. The blacks, they're the African, the indigenous natives were on the losing end of all of this in a very brutal fashion. And then in the early 1900s, and I think 1908, the people who were running this British colony, the Dutch said, "Hey, man, we want a little more authority here." Yeah. And they were, at this point, they were Africaner. Right. And the past century, they had changed a lot. They had this weird hybrid language that developed. And they were not, they were Dutch in heritage, but they were starting to become a new people in South Africa, which is Africaner. They probably felt about as Dutch as like you and I feel British. Right. You know? Yeah. That's a good point. But yeah, so yeah, they were like a whole new group. But the basis of this was that they were a whole new group who had grown up in charge of another group. Yeah. And they wanted to make sure that they had a free hand in dealing with these other subclasses. And also I want to say like any time you hear me say subclasses I'm making air quotes everybody. Yeah. And when I say big difference between master slave and master servant, I was being sarcastic. Right. We're anti-apartheid. Oh yeah. Okay. So the, the, these Africaners running the show sent a new constitution to Britain and Britain said, okay, go ahead. We're going to go ahead and grant this. It's going to be called the South Africa Act of 1910. And with that British decree that the state of South Africa was born still British colony, but it was officially under Africaner control. That's right. And, uh, oh yeah, one other thing. Black people can't hold office ever. Yeah. That's like the first of what would be many, many, many restrictions. And that's a huge one because all of a sudden you have an all white government. Yeah. You get the boys. Made up of white people who feel that this is their white man's burden to keep you from being shiftless and lazy and leaving. Yeah. And just killing yourselves and cutting off your own hands and killing one another. It's up to the white man. Right. To make sure you don't do that. And we're going to keep you safe by subjugating you. And the first way we're going to do that is to just have an all white government. That's right. And, uh, and the second thing we're going to do is we're going to take your land because even though we only make up 20% of the population as white people, we need 93% of the land. So we're going to shuffle seven. I'm sorry, 80% of the people on to seven% of the land. Really crappy land. Really bad land was a ocean housing. And, um, that was under the leadership of general, uh, Lewis or Louis or Louis. Both of, um, first prime minister of South Africa and the Native Lands Act of 1913 basically was when they said, you know what? We're going to move all these communities. If we kill you along the way or you die, no big deal. If your whole life is disrupted, no big deal. And we're essentially going to shove you on to these tiny parcels of crappy land. Yeah. So that began what's called the segregation period. Right. You can't go here. This is white land. Right. Right. Um, and after during the segregation period between the 1913 lands act in the 50s or 1948, um, a bunch of other things happened for the, um, the blacks who were who came to be called bantews, indigenous Africans. Um, they lost the right to vote in the 30s. Now in the 20s, they had lost the right to unionize. Yeah. And basically they're just being pushed further and further out of a meaningful participation in society. Yeah. They, they, they tried to hamper their access to education even early on and fired them from jobs, even if they were totally more skilled than a white worker. Yeah. If you were a skilled craftsman and you had a apprentice, you couldn't, you couldn't carry out your craft any longer. No. But legally they could go in and be like, you know what? There's a white guy who we think is better for this job. So you're fired. Yeah, because that was the government. Right. Um, and this was even before the Afro-Canter Nationalist Party. This is before apartheid officially. Yeah. That didn't come around till 1948. 1948 win again with an all white government that had been in power for 35 years. This extreme right wing, basically a fringe movement, the Afro-Canter Nationalist movement, the power and they officially instituted what we call apartheid. They're apartheid policies starting in 1948, but really kicking off in 1950 with the, what the population registration act, right? Yeah. And this was under Prime Minister DF Maulin at the time. And with the Population Registration Act is when they created officially the Bantu, like you said, and named the Indigenous Black population. There's so there's Bantu, there's white, and then there's Colored, which is mixed race. And you have to register yourself and be legally classified as one of these three races. Everyone was. Everybody. If you're white, goodness for you. Yeah, because you got 93% of the land. Yeah. If you're Bantu or mixed race, then bad luck for you. Right. And then at first Indians were left out. And Indians, I guess because it was a British colony. Yeah. Since India was also a British colony, South Africa was kind of a place to be for Indians, including Gandhi, who was one of the early protesters of this segregationist idea, and was imprisoned for, I think, 20 years in South Africa. Yeah, he was. Or he was imprisoned while he was there for 20 years. He spent part of it in prison for protesting. Right. He's funny, of course. But then, so ultimately Indians were excluded as foreigners, but then just to keep problems from happening is to keep the bureaucracy going. Right. They were added as a fourth race. That's right. What's up fam? I'm sports journalist Ari Chambers. It's your girl Sam J. And we're the host of everyone watches Women's Sports, a new podcast from Together and I Heart Women Sports. Because let's be real. Women's Sports is giving us way too much to talk about these days. So Kelsey and Ler, she became the first female solo roer to go from California to Hawaii. My first thought is like, what's up with the snacks? Like, what are we eating? The highlights, the rivalries, the breakout stars, the moments to take over your entire timeline. And the conversations that start during the game and somehow keep going all week. Every week we're breaking down the biggest stories across women's sports. She beat Savalinka. She'll ask you, Naomi. You get the palm Naomi. You get the palm for that. Because we're not just interested in what happened. We're interested in why everyone's talking about it. On the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, Portlandia fans. Carrie Brown's seen in Fred Armason here. You know what, so rather you know them. Tony and Candace, Nina and Lance, Spike and Yes, the chicken. We've played a lot of iconic characters over the years. But today we're showing up as ourselves to tell you about Padlandia, A.O. Rewatch, our brand new podcast. Each week we'll revisit an episode of Portlandia from the very beginning. Breaking down the sketches, exploring the back stories of our most iconic characters, revisiting the Portland locations you know and love, and opening up about our creative process. How did any of this get made? Why do we think that was a good idea? We're ready to talk about it. Guest stars, collaborators and friends, including director Jonathan Kreisel, the mayor himself Kyle McLaughlin, legendary musician Amy Mann and many more. You fully improvised not just words but a song about it. I thought he was going to write. Listen to Padlandia. A.O. Rewatch on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You could not get married between races. If you were a Bond 2 and loved with someone of mixed race, you couldn't even marry them. Very restrictive. And then next came another act called the Group Areas Act. And this really escalated this segregation because now you needed passbooks. Essentially passports to go from one area to another. Some you weren't even allowed in. And that even went further into the group.
in the Banquo Homelands Act of 1951, which basically said, you know what, wherever your area is in South Africa, that is now your homeland, and you're not even South African anymore. - Yeah, if you're Ban-2, you live in this area. If you're a Ban-2, Mary, do a colored person, your colored spouse lives in a different area. Your family's just ripped apart now. - Well, they took away, basically, they said you're not in South African. - Right. - And we're allowing you to stay here, basically, if you stay in this one area that your past book says that you can stay in. - Right, because you can't stay here, because you're no longer a member of this country. - I believe we'll, like, I drew explanation points next to that one. Just 'cause like, they literally moved in, took over these people, and then said, you're not even a part of this country that we have established. - So they have, they've been pushed out of participation in society. The, anybody who is not white is now forced onto a reservation, essentially. And then they really kind of started indoctrinating the next generation with the Ban-2 Education Act of 1953. - Yeah. - And basically, if you were Ban-2, you would be put into a school where the student teacher ratio was about 56 to one on average. You went to school three hours a day. - Yeah. - They did it in two shifts. A teacher would see two different classes, three hours, for one and three hours for another. And you would be taught basically how, like, the history of your people was that you were kind of dumb and meandering and you hadn't really done anything with the land before and how you were reliant on the white people who came to rescue you and your people. - Yeah. - You were taught how you could work in a factory and that's about as good as it got for you. - Yeah. - And basically, they were taught to be servile and better servants to the white Afro-Conners. - Yeah, well, that was the plan, at least. - Yeah. - But it backfired because in the 1950s and '60s, instead of becoming more docile, they rallied and became more upset and basically raged against the machine in the 1950s and '60s at the same time that the US Civil Rights Movement was going on, the same thing was kind of starting to happen in South Africa and it was the beginning of what would be a 30 year end of apartheid. - Yeah. - I guess you could say. - Yeah. People got mad. - Yeah, and rightly so. - Yeah, and this wasn't just indigenous people. They were also white liberals at the time, just like here in the US, that were very much against the apartheid and also suppressed when they tried to raise awareness or fight back. - Right, because one of the things about the apartheid government, it wasn't just racial segregation. They were, like I said, extremely right-wing and they were very much into isolationism. They kept a very tight control over what their population, white or non-white had access to as far as the news went. - Oh yeah. - Music, every scene searching for sugar man. That's a good one. You saw what they did with, like there was a record on, there was a song on his record. - Rodriguez, yeah. - And they scratched the song, the vinyl, so it couldn't be played. They did stuff like that. - You guys should say that. - They just won the Academy Award. And we don't want to spoil anything though, because it unfolds in a really great mysterious way. - It's a good documentary. - It's a great documentary and that's what inspired this decision to do this actually. - Right. So the government was fairly close to totalitarian. Like if you descended against the government, white, black, otherwise, you would go to jail. But despite this and despite the brutality that the police were engaged in, like there was a, for example, there was a strike in 1946. 75,000 unarmed black miners went on strike. A peaceful protest. A thousand people were killed by the police. - Yeah, they would just open fire on crowds. - Yeah, so this is like peaceful crowds even. - Right, and this is one of the reasons why I think people were so resistant to being indoctrinated into apartheid mentality, because of the brutality of the police tactics too. But so let's talk about this. In the 60s, like you were saying when the US civil rights movement was really starting to brew and take shape, Nelson Mandela emerged as a member of the African National Congress. Huge organization. And then there was also the Pan-Africanist Congress. - Yeah. - And they were basically peaceful protest groups that were set up to counter the apartheid philosophy. - Yeah, and like we said, even though it was peaceful, it didn't matter. The sharp, sharp little massacre in 1960, a thousand black Africans left their past books at home and said, "You know what? We're just gonna go to the police station and turn ourselves in because we don't have our past books." - Right. - "What are you gonna do, process us all?" No, they're gonna open fire on the crowd, killed 69 people, wounded hundreds, apparently. And then they said, "You know what? "We're gonna ban public gatherings then." - And they also ban the African National Congress and the Pan-Africanist Congress. - Yeah, like you're all illegitimate now and Nelson Mandela, you're going to jail. - Not yet. Now yeah, they drove the Pan-Africanist Congress and the African-Africanist Congress. - Well, 1960, he went to jail. - Right, but in 1960, they drove them underground. - Oh, well yeah. - And as a result, these groups went from being peaceful to becoming actually, they formed paramilitary wings. And Mandela led the African National Congress's guerrilla wing. - Yeah. - And he actually later on said, "Yeah, we were guerrillas and possibly terrorists "and like there were human rights violations "by my group and I regret that." - Yeah, but they were good terrorists. - Yeah, right. - So he was jailed for, well, sentenced to a life in prison and remained in prison for 30 years. And most people, unless you're super young, remember Nelson Mandela, free Nelson Mandela, being a rallying cry. Up until like the African 80s, which is ridiculous, that this was still going on then. But that's the way it went there. 1976, another protest, peaceful, Soweto. This time it was students. And it was because they were trying to make Afrikaans the primary language in black upper schools, even though not many of them even spoke it. So what good is that? So they went to protest this. And again, open fire to children were killed this time. And it started a bunch of riots. And in the end, 3000 people up to 3000, says between 575 and 3000. Probably depends on who you're asking. - Right. - Were killed by the police. - Yeah. And again, just following the same script that they did with short villain 1960, the government said, all right, all any dissent groups are completely banned. - Yeah. - Outright. And then included the South African students organization led by, again, named Steve Beacon. And Steve Beacon, he was a medical student. He was like 30, I think, when he died. He had found what was called the black consciousness movement. And it was basically like a, it was teaching African self-worth, honoring everything that was taught through the Banter Education Act and everything you learned in school, African self-reliance, economic self-reliance. And it had spread outside of Africa. He was a pretty big figure. And he was pulled over with the buddy and a bunch of anti-apartheid pamphlets. And the police arrested him. They beat him. They left him with the head wound and he died of his injuries. And when Steve Beacon died, that was the change to everything. - Yeah, he was detained under the Terrorism Act 83 of 1967, which basically said, if we suspect you being a terrorist, we can detain you for up to 60 days. And then we can renew that 60 days, by the way, indefinitely, without telling anyone, without releasing who's there. And it was basically a way to make people disappear. Usually if you were detained under this act, you were never heard from again. And Beacon eventually found himself in a coma and because of torture, and then eventually they said after about three weeks, we should probably take the Skadoa prison with a hospital at least. So they threw his naked body in the back of a truck to take him to a hospital and he died. They said it was a hunger strike. It was actually brain hemorrhage from being beaten upside-to-head. And years later, then Zell Washington would play him in cry freedom. - Nice. - And Peter Gabriel wrote the awesome song, Beacon. - Yeah. - And Tribe Called Quest has Steve Beacon's song. - Yeah. - Stirred up. - Yeah. So the Saguedo uprising and the police killings of those two children was followed right on the heels by Steve Beacon's death, which was a big deal around the world. - Yeah, it was. The US ambassador to South Africa, I think, and probably was a huge protest move. Went to Steve Beacon's funeral. There was a, yeah, Steve Beacon dying was, that was a big deal. - Yeah, and we should shout out to Helen Suzman, shout out. She was the one voice of reason in South Africa's all white parliament. She was the one voice anti-aparctide voice. And she was like, if you look her up to the name, she's an amazing, an amazing woman. She just died a few years ago. - Oh yeah. - But she was a woman.
at the funeral and yeah this is when it became like a thing around the world like hey you know what we're going to start pulling our embassies out of South Africa we're going to start boycotting sanctions against South Africa economic sanctions and this was happening with the United States great Britain other western nations and basically South Africa became you know the evil empire like exposed it was pretty cool by the by finally in 1986 the US Congress got its act together enough to pass the comprehensive anti apartheid act yeah and it banned any new investment any new business setting up and dealing in trade with South Africa South Africa was banned from doing business here in the US so South African airlines couldn't land at any US airport yeah it didn't wear a hurt basically yeah big time the Rand fell in value is a big deal and Reagan vetoed it actually and his veto was overridden by Congress awesome that's how that's how badly they wanted to do it and it was a very important thing this is right in the middle of this is like when we were kids you remember that like that that Keith Herring poster of South Africa there was like the in-game place on city the saw the song bring else a mandela I remember that one yeah it was a there's a there's a big deal yeah the whole world was opposed to South Africa there was this great thing called divestment they actually may have really been the thing that killed apartheid in South Africa yeah what was the deal there so divestment is and it's going on now but with apartheid it was basically where people like it started with colleges colleges have huge endowments yeah they're heavily invested in all sorts of stuff and they said you know what we're not going to invest in anything that has anything to do with South Africa anymore Coca-Cola if you're doing business in South Africa we're not going to invest in you right whoever and so they they divested rather than invested they got all their money out and a lot of university a lot of universities did this and they did it at the prompting of some of their students like in Harvard they the students erected a shaney town to show what the people who lived in the shaney town of South Africa were living like wow and got all these endowments to start divesting and I think cow had the biggest one they divested three billion dollars from the South African economy holy cow and they think that that was the the thing that really like like open the bleeding go bears yeah so this divestment combined with this international political pressure all over the world and South Africa still says go to hell we're not committed to apartheid for years still yeah and in 30 80s yeah and then finally it was what 1993 well 1989 is when the big turning point came that's when fw declared became president of apartheid South Africa and between 89 and 93 is when you basically repealed everything on the books and said this is going in a different direction now yeah let's release Nelson Mandela and in fact when we have our first democratic election in 1994 Nelson Mandela wins so what a great ending to that story it really is and despite being in prison for 30 years on May 10th 1994 when Mandela was giving his speech he's closed by speaking in Afrikaans this is his inaugurations yeah which is like the fact that even spoken that tongue to me it says a lot about the man and he said what what is past is past and here's a Nobel Peace Prize Mr. Mandela right and Mr. Deklerk yeah like you both get it in 1993 and I like the article pointed out it was a shockingly peaceful transition uh and I'm sure there are still many many more years that are needed for the healing you don't get over something like that overnight if it's been hundreds of years but I think things are definitely headed in the right direction now yeah well one of the things that they did was they set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission which is like basically a tribunal that heard stories of human rights violations it gave victims a voice to say it in public like this happened to me right um in some instances people who perpetrated these could be prosecuted wow they could also be forgiven publicly by this court the tribunal um it was a really good move to like kind of help this national healing because yeah all of a sudden apartheid's gone over a four-year period yeah but I mean there was a lot of people who were kind of into that and they did a lot of stuff and they're not protected by the government anymore and like a lot of bad things happened to a lot of people who are still alive like what do you do yeah uh and I think that was a really good move to move not just the government but also the society to post apartheid um life yeah I'd like to hear from people in South Africa about the state of things today yeah and watch searching for sugarman people yes it's really like through this great story of music encapsulates this whole time period really really well right and then I guess ever since the aliens landed over Johannesburg that's kind of taken up a lot of their attention oh yeah what was that uh district nine yeah which was really based on apartheid pretty much wouldn't it what was that the inspiration for that movie that's a good movie yeah so watch that watch district nine searching for sugarman and watch cry freedom yeah and go listen tribe called quest pewter Gabriel I have not listened or seen the the rugby movie yet oh uh Morgan Freeman plays mandela with uh victus sir mame Damon yeah was it Invictus yeah yeah I need to see now uh okay let's say for apartheid huh yeah goodness is you want to do uh some word from our sponsor yeah we got listener mail coming up but uh word from our sponsor what's up fam I'm sports journalist arey chambers hey what's up y'all it's your girl Sam j and we're the host of everyone watches women sports a new podcast from together and i heart women sports because let's be real women sports is giving us way too much to talk 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even i didn't even take the lesson okay you just went out there do you know how well i or podcast exactly yeah i figured out how to do it i did kind of but um i i remember we were talking about how it's very easy to like get on your hands and knees and then get up yeah but you don't want to learn that technique is that that's that's what i learned yeah sure you got a call before you can walk exactly also i should clear up that in general learning to surf on a long board is usually preferred as they catch waves easier and they're easier to stand up on them shortboard but being that catching away was the hardest part for beginners you're usually better off learning that way yeah did you have a shortboard uh yeah it was shortest yeah it definitely wasn't a long board they turn easier
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