Horror Movie Time! Podcaster Gabe Cymbalista ("Cymbalistic Cynicism")!

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It's me, Jim, the podcast Shurper, your personal podcast Shurper, guiding you through the mountain of podcasts here on Beautiful Mount Podcasts, and we get to know a lot of those people who bring the magic to your podcast apps. Yeah, we're in addition to me. Yeah, me too. Don't forget about me. This week was a really fascinating conversation with my guest. Who's out guest today, Shurper? His name is Gabriel Symbolista, and Gabe is the host of Symbolistic Sinicism, and it's a pun on his name, of course. And Gabe is a real lover of movies. We talked a lot about horror movies, but Gabe loves all sorts of film, and he's also a composer, and he's actually worked with people who make movies to do a little music for them. So he's got passion for movies and music. And you'll notice something that I've actually learned about Gabe in the course of this interview, which was like an added bonus for me. Gabe refers to himself as a torreter, and that means that he's a person with Tourette syndrome. He has a coughing text, so if you hear him coughing, that's just a result of his Tourette syndrome. You know, we talked about it, and I got to learn so much about it. There were things that I didn't know, and I always felt that it's kind of misunderstood syndrome in the body that a lot of people have to deal with. And I know Gabe hopefully wants to come out with a book one day to tell about how he's lived with it and what he knows about it. Really fascinating stuff all the way through, which we know about movies, and music, and being informed here, personally, about Tourette's syndrome. So without any further delay, let's have a listen to my interview with Gabe Symbolista. Hello there, Rebels. We are in the spooky movie room, and my guest is Gabe Symbolista, and he is a video editor, a photographer, a pianist, and also the host of Symbolistic Synthesis, a podcast part of a little bit, never know. It's, yes, it's my podcast within a team of podcasters, a team of a podcast team. So I'm one of like seven groups of people or seven people in one team called the Indy Escape. Indy Escape. Okay, so Escape is the name of the podcast channel, and my show on that channel is Symbolistic Synthesis. It's a plan on my last name. Right. And Gabe does interviews via video with a lot of folks when I. The horror genre. Yeah, mostly horror, like everybody there so far has somewhat, has done horror, and I have more people coming up. Yeah, so I grew up on the horror genre since I was five. I grew up as raised in the classics. My parents raised me right, classical music, classical movies, and classical rock. So I grew up on the classics, and I have appreciation for hundreds of years of music, and over 100 years of film, and cinema. But horror was always my number one favorite genre, but I can appreciate old genres. But yes, so far on my show, I've had my first show I had Jeremy Dreyfus, who is actually Richard Dreyfus's first wife, and she's adopted me like her third son, like my three sons. I always got to put a net reference in there, but I'm having a sneaker in the beginning, right? Yeah. Well, she's funny. So I have Tourette's in her muscles. I just want to bring that up. So sometimes my texts come up even on the show, but I'm very open to that, because a lot of people aren't open about there, and sometimes some people can't help but be open about it. So actually Jeremy and I met by chance, sort of, a week after I first met Richard Dreyfus, and basically I went to a con where I met Richard, a horror con. And then I went to another horror con for my birthday weekend, which happens once a year on my birthday weekend every year. It's called Tetris, Frightmare Weekend. And actually I was chilling with one of the saw actors, and so I was one of my third movies, and I know a lot of the people involved, and one of the actors had just left to go to the gym. I walked back inside the hotel and there was like one of the older actresses standing there in the lobby trying to find a place to plug in her phone. And we got a conversation, and I said, "Oh, yeah, I met Richard Dreyfus, but we go," she's like, "You know what that is, right?" And it was Jeremy, and her and her son Harry treated me to a late birthday lunch. We clicked, and she adopted me like her third son. And we talked on the phone all the time, and I had her for on my show, for the first show, for my first premiere, and I was the first one to the first host, the solo show, the host to show this show, and I had Jeremy on. And now, Jeremy was in last house, Wes Craven's last house on the left, the original, and she had some interesting stories about, like, that you could check out on the show, like you could view it on Facebook Live, on the Indiescape page, and on the Indiescape YouTube page. So Jeremy, see she spoke about last house on the left, she spoke about her personal experiences with none other than Charles Manson, in real life. Bob Dylan, Stephen King, she knows that she worked and knows a lot of people, and she even lived in the house that Sharon Tate was killed in for three, and didn't know for three months, till after. She tells all these crazy stories in the podcast, you gotta check it out. And then the next show, I had Larry Hanken, who a lot of people know from friends, and Breaking Bad, and Billy Madison, and he's been in a lot of stuff over the years. He's been around a very long time, and he's hilarious. And then my third show, I had Mark Sheffler, who also was actually, I met when I first, around the time my first met Jeremy, because he's Jeremy's co-star from last house on the left as well, and he's also comedian. And now, I'm Jewish, and he's Jewish, and he has a character, a character that just comedy called Elliot, it means the Jew in Hebrew. Very, very funny Jewish character, he does it in his skits, and he's very funny. And from my fourth show, which was actually just last night, I had Jenny Feldy, a Jenny Feldy, who was actually an old friend of mine. Why I met at a fashion show that an old friend of mine was hosting, and Jen was a co-host, was another host at this fashion show. And Jen and I became friends, and she became like a horror actress in addition to modeling, she's always been a health and nutrition health coach, and trainer. And then she does comedy now too, but she's done a ton of horror movies over the last few years, she works with trauma films now. So that was last nice show. And next week I have another horror actress, who's going to be on the show, her name is Ashley Lawson. And then the following week, I should be having my friends, Ari Barkan, who's been in a lot of a lot of things. Ashley's been in horror, but Ari, I don't know if he's really done horror, but he's done one horror comedy. But he's worked with the rock, doing the rock nonsense, he was in his web, his web series, he's been in at least two movies with Liam Neeson, and show with Liam Neeson's son. He's worked on Ardress New Black, he's been in a low-norder SVU, blue bloods, he's been in a ton of things. She has a new movie coming out with several of them with quite a cast. And he's, yeah, he's been in movies with Ron Pearlman, Jessica Soar, and he's been in a lot, Ari's been in a lot. So I'm having him on and then I'm working on my future guests for December. Okay, yeah. So you said that horror was your first love, was there any particular movie that kicked it off for you? It's interesting, actually, well, music was also my first love. I played piano 26 years, but horror was like, I was five, and I didn't start playing piano until I was eight. I started taking lessons, actually, but it's funny because, and it's literally funny, because Abenic Estellumi Frankenstein was actually the film that got me into horror. Even though it's more of a comedy spin-off on horror, but the first, I'd say the first horror, actual horror film I ever watched, I was probably five as well. and it was bright of Frankenstein, but I think The first film that really, I actually had my first favorite actor in the first wheel favorite horror home was House Unhunted Hill, which I probably watched when I was six or seven and that gave me nightmares. And this is the original one with Vincent Price. And that was like one of my favorite. And because of that movie, he's one, he's, Vincent Price was like my first favorite actor. And I met his daughter once and she was a sweetheart. And because he was also one of his last films was Edward Scissorhands. And I cried when his character died. She said, "Tell me I cry every time." And Victoria Price is her name. She promotes her father's stuff and she's such a sweet heart. But yeah, it was, I was raised on the classics. I remember there was a show called "The Harlehole of Fame," which was like a Academy Awards for Heartland Day that happened every year. And my mother one night woke me up when I was like six or so, six or something, and in the middle of the night, or like 11 to watch this heart. And because she knew I was getting into it, and we covered our faces with a blanket whenever the scary, you know, clips popped up. Because they weren't really gory. I mean, they had some comedy gory stuff, but like, it was, yeah, so I was raised on that. I ended up falling into like aliens and the Chuck E films, like when I was like really young. So right now, very little scares. I mean, ghost films are more what scare me now. But like most horror films don't scare me much, some zombie stuff, you know, I even had professors in college that called "The Walking Dead of Documentary." You know, so you can imagine how much of a fun class that was. And that's interesting that you said that you were raised on the classic horror, where there really wasn't a lot of gore. But today's horror, that's what it really kind of was. Yeah. Well, it's not, well, the people, you know, Stephen King even said, "I don't agree with this. Oh, only good horror movies are scary." And I'm like, "No, it doesn't. Good horror needs to be scary." Like, it doesn't. Can I tell you something? Like, I even asked my friend, did you, did you like every movie that scared the crap out of you? He was like, "Oh, no." And like, like there are, like people say, "Oh, good horror is scary." No, it says, "That's us saying a good comedy is funny." Like a comedy could be funny, doesn't mean it's a good comedy, it's a good, or a good, it's a great movie. You know, like a so, so horror movie can be scary, doesn't, you know, it doesn't make it a great horror movie or a good, you know. I wouldn't say good. Like, I think all movies have their pros and cons and their traits and their flaws. Even my favorite movies I could acknowledge flaws. I could watch movies I love and see flaws and I could watch stuff I hate and still don't really like and acknowledge, like, that's great cinematography, that's great writing, that's great, that's a great twist, that's great acting, that's great CGI or great prosthetics, you know. Like the thing, you know, it's not all about being scared and people, you know, go to that extreme to claim that it is, but you're, nobody loves every horror movie that scares them. They don't say it's a good movie just because it scares them, just like you don't, a comedy is not, is it a great comedy just because it's funny? So I think it's, it's an extreme that, it's sort of like, I don't think a movie is superior because it came first, which I know a lot of people feel because like, it's that norm that's been put in people's heads because it's an original, it's superior to everything that came after. Like, how? Like, you know, I understand there are sometimes reasons and it's, you know, logical reasoning behind that. Like if you have like, you know, like, oh, this was simplicity, this was, this was, it really got me at first, but you know what, it's not all about because it came first, that's not a read, you know, just because it was the first because it was the original, just because the original, it's like saying, like, the only trade I want to focus on in a movie is character development, everything else is irrelevant. Or like, it's because it's original, and therefore everything else, like, I'll focus on the originality or the lack of originality, like, there's so many traits to a film that you could acknowledge and not let one, one simple, one single trait obliterate all the other good features of it. And that's why it's hard, I don't like listening to people, it's hard for me to communicate with, you know, but I saw, I mean, I, I won't argue with everybody. It's like arguing politics. You can't, it's like trying to convince somebody, somebody the baby's cute, can't do it. Unless their baby's actually not cute, but let's not go there. You get into a whole different episode there. Yeah. Until your point with a movie being scary or funny, it's, it still has to have the whole package to make it memorable because I'm sure you and I will see movies where like, well, you have a special effects for great, but the story was stupid, and the movie becomes forgettable. Right. No, right. No, 100%. But I'm saying is like it, it's a, there are, for example, there could be like people, but the thing is like, people allow an ending to ruin the rest of the movie film. Yes, the ending is important. But like, if you love the movie up until the ending, people, people often say, oh, that was a bad movie. Like, people, people like say, like, it's like the people who say Star Wars is, their childhood is ruined because they didn't like the new movies or Game of Thrones, like they were so bothered by the last season that the whole, the whole show is ruined for them. Like, if you could allow a single element like that to drown out the, all the good, how bad thing about maybe allowing more, some of the good traits to drown out the bad a little bit more, you know what I mean? It shouldn't be so extreme. Sure. But I, I hear what you mean. Listen, I, I think there's all different types of hearts. Those gore-har, the scary are for me real life horror, scarier than horror movies. Like the news, I find scarier than horror movies, war movies and, and depressing, depressing, like romantic, romantic films that turn out to be completely, or romantic, comedies or comedies. And then that being so depressing, like funny, what's the funny people was like was a, everybody thought was a comedy, but it turned out to be the most depressing, less than like two hours too long. And then like, like clicked, like it looks supposed to be a comedy, but it was so freaking depressing. Yeah, but I mean, like it was a comedy a lot of the majority of the ending was depressing. But it, you know what, it did take away, but it didn't drown the rest of it. But you know what, comedies are, you know, this sort of like, you have these romantic movies that are supposed to, they seem like dramas and romantic, they're like, oh, it's such, it's such a depressing ending. And not that it takes away from the rest of it, but it's like, like a lot of these movies do thrive on the ending in terms of that, when, when you, like a movie that wants to tie something together, whether it be a harm movie that has a great story that has like an entwist that like will shake the end it, shake the story or a romantic comedy that has a great love story that ends up being, oh, the girl dies at the end. And like there's no closure, you know, that could take away a lot from the movie, yes. Well, like something where it's like a cliffhanger or the ending wasn't as great as you thought it would be, but it's not necessarily like a bummer, you know, like this, everybody has their headpiece and their, what grinds their gears, grinds their organs, I guess, so to speak in this situation. You said that Vincent Price was one of your favorite classical, well, yeah, I'll tell you, he was my first Donald Pleasant, Donald Pleasant was my second, just because of his role as Dr. Loops in Halloween, he was, and I'll tell you Gary Oldman and Tobin Bell are my other two favorites. Okay. Gary Oldman was like, he was the modern day Lawn Shaney before Johnny Depp was because the man of a thousand like he could, he all these identities from Dracula to Beethoven, excuse me, to Commissioner Gordon, all these, the character in fifth element, he, he took on so many appearances and nailed the characters like he was, he did a phenomenal performance in such, in so many different, oh, and then he finally got an, got an award for, for playing Winston Churchill in the darkest hour, but he was one of the most underrated actors that he never received an award for such amazing performances for like 30, 40 years until the darkest hour, you know, and then Tobin Bell, I love because of Saul, most of all, most of Saul, but Donald Pleasants, I think because of one of my favorite characters of all time and any movie is Dr. Samuel Loomis and in the Halloween franchise because of Donald Pleasants' performance, like no, but like, it was just one of a kind. What exactly got you into doing a podcast? I mean, was it just, you had this love of movies and you said, well, this is like an actual evolution? No, well, so I've, I've, I've actually wrote a piano piece from upcoming horror movie. I, I, I love, I met a lot of horror actors over the years. I've become friends with a lot of them, you know, people in the industry. It's all about being civil and being real, but like you have the podcast, basically at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, um, my friend, the guy I know through my friend, Dan Yeager, the sky Joe was running a, a podcast, not a pie, he write, they start, he with George, at the time, George A Romero, no, George, sorry, George C Romero, not George, you know, the sun, they had started a podcast together and not a podcast, sorry, an online con, which was the first horror con online heart, one of those online hard cons during the pandemic that really like people, fans came on to talk to like Kane hotter and other and other people in a, I think it was Michael Barryman and R.A. McKaylov from, from all these, from all these horror films. And as after the pandemic, like, got better, um, it was, that was cool, the indie brigade but it's no longer the indie brigade and, uh, George C Romero's no longer involved and Joe put together a team with like other people on the team brand and he Brooks has worked and filled a lot of people who worked on the, in the, in the, in the heart industry and film industry. And I haven't worked in the horror film industry. I mean, I've written a piano piece for a couple of horror films. One of them didn't come out. One of them is coming out soon. I know a lot of people in the industry, but I have a very expansive knowledge on this stuff. So Joe invited me to be a host or a co-host, along with the other hosts. And I was honored. And I couldn't say no. And I'm not used to hearing my own voice. So now I'm getting more used to it. I'm not great at public speaking, but actually solo. And I actually have been writing a book on Tourette's the last nine years. And actually I haven't been working on the second draft, which I finished the first draft back in 2016. So I'm very behind. But Dan Yeager, who was the guy I really know, Joe, threw Dan Yeager's play "Letter Face" Texas Chainsaw 3D. We met on the Saw Cruise nine years ago, 2012. Very close encounter. Like chill with a lot of the Saw Actors. Though Dan wasn't. And so I was in Texas Chainsaw, the 3D one. And Dan helped me a lot with my book. I mean, not directly, but he helped me with a lot of the structure and motivation. And he's always the villains, the ones who play the craziest roles for the most sophisticated actors. Like Bill Mosley went to Yale. And he plays the craziest actors in horror film, like Psychotic and it's great. And Dan knows him. But Dan also, like Dan played "Letter Face." And he's one of the smartest, one of the smartest, most intelligent, well-read like he reads religiously. He's such a smart man. And he plays one of the most iconic car slashes of all time. And that's like, that's the way the car slashes are. And they're the gentle giants. And just giant teddy bears, great guys. And it's amazing. But yeah, so I got hired on the podcasts. And I started in October. I had to send my computer into Apple because it was a hardware issue. But so I missed out a couple of weeks. But yeah, I just had my fourth show last night. And that was with my friend, Jen Feliz. It was Jeremy Drivefist, Larry Hagen, Mark Sheffler, Jenny Felie. Next week, I have Ashley Lawson who is a horror actress. And then I have my friend, Ari Barkin. I'm working on getting future people. I'm going to have Dan on at some point. I got to talk to him about that. And I have other people, I actually spoke to Damian Leone, who is the creators of Terrifier. The Terrifier about having him on. I haven't heard back from him yet about that. But we're all work on it. He loves my puns. They're not my puns. I like to make people laugh a lot. And like you said, about this podcast is about having fun. That's what we do. We don't have to limit it to horror on the podcast. We could talk about anything. But we'd like to always reference and talk about the horror films involved. And there's always somebody on who has been involved in horror in one way or another. But we don't restrict it to that. Because we want it to be a family. We want it to be welcome. And we don't want it to be like, oh, you can't be on, because we shouldn't have a mom because it's not like that. It's not like that at all. Yeah. It's a broad topic of movies. And you can just kind of draw it all. It could be comedy, it could be cinema, music. But it always has a lot of elements or some element of cinema and storytelling and writing. So you know, a lot of cinematic stuff. You were talking about that you were writing a book about living with Tourette. And I know that's something that's very misunderstood with people, isn't it? I mean, they kind of make general assumptions. They say, well, yeah, it's a neurological thing. And the president will up sticks. But that's usually all that they really understand about it. Yeah. And a lot of people think, oh, so you curcel the time? Because that's like the funny, like the mainstream media, like the fuck. And I, you know what, I'm some people are bothered by that. I just roll my eyes internally, roll them and say, like, you know what, it's more than that. Like that's like, it's cool. That's called corporate lila. It's like 5% of the people who have Tourette have that. And I have it. But not necessarily always like you see, like, you know, I have it at times. But it's not the only, like I, when I was a kid, from first to fifth grade, I had only vocal ticks. Like I would scream at the top of my lungs from my throat. Like it was like, and I was bullied verbally. I was never bullied physically, thankfully. And in fifth grade out of nowhere, I had to develop motor ticks, which are physical ticks. So my whole body lay in the floor or I kick a punch things and I would jump off, like my whole body would jump off the bed, like on from my back. And I had to be homeschooled for majority of my fifth grade year. Because like I would lay in school, I would lay in the floor, I'd kick a punch desk, so I would accidentally kick my friends. And it was, it's, it looked like I was having a seizure. And, but as I got old, and I started playing piano when I was eight. So when I sat down to practice, my ticks would go away. But when I get from an audience, I got nervous. But that would, but in stitchers, because a lot of people with Tourette's, when they focus on something that they love, the ticks, their ticks suppress, I think that's the word. But a lot of, you know, and I met people in the Tourette's community who, who were, like, and people who were famous who have Tourette's. Like, I know, and Nat and Alex Wolf from the Naked Brothers band on Nickelodeon. Nat has Tourette's, his father has Tourette's, his father's more obvious. But nobody, and Nat's been in death note. He's been in work with Guisalena Gomez and behaving badly in paper towns. And he has Tourette's, but you never would have known. And they've had the X-Factor finalist, the way I met. I forgot his name, Carlos Guavera, who sang amazing, like, "Tistics go away when he sings." You never would have guessed. I had friends from, like, half a semester at school, who didn't know until, I mean, I had friends who, until half the way through the semester, they had no idea I had Tourette's, they thought I just had a coughing tick. But as I got older, you know, I had those full body ticks when I was young. I got older, and in my late teen years, I developed, I, the ticks got smaller. I went, like, a neck and arm and, and some vocal, a lot of vocal wounds, but they became more constant. So, the full body ones were, like, I could feel it coming out so I could leave the classroom. Smaller ones are, they're so frequent that it's all the time. So, now, instead of, when I sit down to practice, instead, my ticks bother me a lot. And when I sit in front of an audience to play, my fear of screwing up psychologically takes over, and I play better in front of an audience than when I do, when I practice. - Don't reverse yourselves. - Yeah, reverse itself. But still focusing on stuff I love does usually help me. I try to, I try it for, like, the piano I've been better recently with focusing, you know, not letting the ticks get too bad. Like, if not, I would listen to music, watch a movie, do work, I do video editing, and like, when I'm working, I get, I sometimes get ticky when I'm sitting at a computer for so long. But like, sometimes, like, when I'm focused and really into something when I'm, and it's, it's very, it is very psychological. Like, when I remind myself, like, don't think about anything when you're watching, just focus on the bit, like, auditorium and, and, and, um, audible and, um, visual stimulation is very helpful for people with turrets. Like, whether it be playing an instrument or listening to music you love, it's, it's very healthy and very helpful. And I have friends, I have a friend whose turrets is worse than anybody I know. Like, his is 24/7, he's better at home, but he's miserable in public. Me, when I'm in public, my tics are like ice, like, ice, like, my tics, you know, shut that, like, they hide, like, I'm psychologically, it takes over. But when I'm in home, like, uh, so I go, I go crazy. So my version of working from home is usually sitting at a cafe, earn office and doing work because I get more distracted with doing other stuff when I'm sitting at home than when he's sitting in a cafe, like, you know, like, some people study better in the library with no sound, or some people study in crowded areas better with headphones on. Like a Starbucks. That's me. I need the traffic around me. I get less distracted. I'm more focused with the traffic going on around me. Everybody's different. But that's it. It's healthier for my turrets, and I'm, I'm very sociable, like, because of my turrets, I missed out on a lot of my childhood and teenage life, like, in normal stuff, because I went to a bosey school from middle school because of special, special issues and, you know, and for high school, I went to a private school. You know, I needed some places that I could, that dealt with people with disabilities because I'm Jewish, so my eschiva didn't really know how to deal with it, but I almost didn't go to college. I was told by a vocational test, vocationalist thing that I would not succeed in college, but I went to NASA community. I graduated cum laude, honors, dean's list, Phi Theta Kappa, and then I went to Queens College, graduated dean's list, also, scholarships at both colleges, and then I went to school of visual arts. So, I don't like when people tell you what you can't, it can't do, especially when some be a stupid test, and I have friends who've been told that, and they thrived, and they become so successful in areas they were told they can never succeed in. And when you're doubted by other people, you doubt yourself. And I still doubt myself, even when I'm doing great, great, when I surprise, and I've surprised the hell out of myself, I've surprised the hell out of people who doubted me or thought, you know, maybe I couldn't do this, or maybe it's not realistic. But my long-term goal is to direct in film, eventually. But I love cinema, I love working with people, and I love the creative fields. That's why I love music, I love piano, I love working in video editing, photography, and videography. I love music, and I love cinema. So that's why one of the biggest things I focus on when I watch a film is the soundtrack. It really emphasizes and magnifies the feel. It's so relevant. - Sure. - It has such a. such an essence and such a such a power over the film. - While back I got to interview a director who was done some indie horror films, his name is Colin Bressler, it was a really super nice guy. And on his website, you could see the little promos for his movies. And I said, you know, even if I wasn't looking at the movie, the music that you have playing is enough to scare the hell out of a person. - Yeah, you know, it's interesting, you say that because like, one of my favorite movies is the horror movies from the recent years is in Citius. Okay, and I thought it was terrifying. I have friends who didn't like it, but they said the soundtrack is what made the movie. So I've made the scares that much more terrifying. They weren't afraid of the movies, but the scares were like magnified by the soundtrack. And the guy who does it, I'm forgetting his name at the moment, he does a lot of James Wan's horror film, like he used to, I'm forgetting his name at the moment, I were actually friends on Facebook, but actually Lynn Shea, who's in in Citius, knows me. And I actually, she, she were friends on Facebook we met and met before, but she would shout to me a few years ago to be of help to a friend of her son who was diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome. And when somebody was like the godmother of, like, even if she wasn't the godmother of horns, like when somebody asked me for help with something, I've, I've tried to help her friends who, because they know I know a lot of people, help them send out the resume to get jobs, even if I haven't spoken to that friend much, somebody asked me for help. I offer my help, because you know, goodness comes back to you. You know, it's that, it's that kindness, it's that genre, and you know what, it's not a lot of time out of my day to be of help to somebody else, especially when they're my friend, but Lynn reached out to me because a friend of her son was diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome. And this was a number of years ago, and I've been, I helped, and just even before we've spoken to phone me and her friend and I, we just texted, and her friend texted me, I'm so glad I met you, even though we just texted, because I know my son could live a full and happy life. And I broke down crying, because this is the whole reason I started my book that turned my curse into a gift to, like, help people, and like, not let my pain that I still deal with going vain for so long. And Lynn holds me in such a high regard. She looks at when people you grew up watching love you and look up to you and are inspired by you. It's like my heart, like, grew up, like, it's like so, you know, and when somebody tells you, like, but nothing was as great as what that mother said to me, and we're still in touch. And her son's Tourette said, sometimes, it's been better what mine was worse, but that's how it is, you know? And I've, I've spoken to Cariel West about my book. I've spoken to Jamie Lee Curtis about my book. I know Cariel West. I just met Jamie Lee Curtis. I know Cariel West. I'm going to see him soon. And he wants to read my book. And, you know, Michael Berryman from Hills have eyes. I've spoken to him about it because he's also writing a book. It's very amazing why just being civil and kind and human and just being real and just you just just really compassionate and authentic and can, can, can connect you with people, you know? I think because you probably learn to live with it the, the right way, yeah, for lack of a better phrase. Yeah. No, I know you mean you find yourself really giving it a voice that probably a lot of people don't get here. Like I mentioned earlier, a lot of people don't understand it, but you know, what even what you've explained in this short time, it really like it sheds light on things that probably, you know, the folks that are listening to this right now, they're probably like, I didn't know that. Yeah. It's, it's some, you know, it's, I'll be honest, it's not, it's not biologically life threatening, but it can be psychologically like I've battled suicide. I've never actually tried, but like I've dealt with it, you know, I've thought about it in my life. And I, you know, Tourette usually comes with other things like OCD, depression, anxiety, ADHD or ADD, I don't have ADD or ADHD, I have some tendencies from it, but I have OCD, I have anxiety, I have depression, and the depression is actually the worst, sometimes worse than Tourette's, but the Tourette's is, you know, I'm very conscious of my vocal ticks in public, and I get, and I've been, I've dealt with, I've dealt like people, especially during the Bollapen director, when I was at college, it was during the Bollapendemic and people heard my, you know, they got the wrong idea and I get people yelling at me. I almost had to, there were times my verbal ticks were so bad, I couldn't finish a sentence, let alone a word without a coughing tick, and I have coughing ticks. I have laughing ticks and they're so uncomfortable, and I'm so self conscious of them and people hear them and they notice and just me notice it because I could sense, people with Tourette's consent when people stare at them and that when people are, and it's, it's, it's frustrating because you only, it only builds up the frustration and the tension and the uncomfortable, you know, the, you're only more conscious of your, of it, and it, it builds, and it still happens like people, some people, it gets better as you get older, but not everybody is like that, some people just evolves, and so it's, it's learning to grow and living with it, but not everybody has had it, you know, I, I don't, I wouldn't say I have it easy, I've said I, there are times I've had it easy or, but some people have it 24/7, like the word, it's like a nightmare and I have a friend who's like that at my arm breaks form and he doesn't want you to, he hasn't gone to college because of it. He's such a sweet kid, he's such a good soul and I am, he's such a strong pur, you know, he's, but he's, he's gotten to more than I can ever have gotten through being him. Well then again, like, you know, like I say, you know, like we don't know what we could have lived with if we did, you know, if we grew up with it, like, you know, but I hate my Terence, but I also love it because I hate it for the pain that caused me, but I love it because it shaped me as the person that I am. I'd rather be somebody who's empathetic and doesn't like to hurt people or get off on hurting people, then, then be some, I'd rather be, you know, somebody who's, tries to be, their best to be compassionate, understanding and accepting, and somebody who gets off on hurting people and bullies and condescends and the grades and people for doing nothing but doing nothing, but being different or having issues, you know, I can never, I can never find happiness in doing that, but I know a lot of people who do that who've done it to me and I just, I don't get people who get off on getting under people's skin and hurting others, yeah, and I've dealt with that a lot of my life. Yeah, it gave you a built-in perspective. Yeah. When you talk about playing the piano and everything like that, I'm going to put you on the spot for a second. Yeah, sure, sure. Is there a particular movie and like any kind of movie, obviously, that you wish that you did this soundtrack for a movie? I wish, well, take a test of something. I love the song. The song movies are my favorite movies. Like I grew up on a lot of films. I appreciate a lot of films and I know they're all some of them are flawed, but I, that doesn't take away. I mean, there's, whether it be continuity issues, but, you know, that doesn't, that doesn't take away from the movie for me. And I love all the song movies and even the ones I'm conflicted about, but I love them all. And honestly, you know, it's, I wouldn't say I would want to compose one, but I would want to collaborate if I ever could with Charlie Klaus, and I, Darren Lynn Balsman, who's the one of the Saw Directors knows me. James Wan also knows who I am. James Wan is the one the creators. He likes my puns and my piano playing. He's seen me play Darren Lynn Balsman, who also directs his own films. I see me play. I played for the Saw Cast on the Saw Cruise, some of the cast. And Darren, you know, Darren, I Darren had me on one of his live streams. He does with fans. He brings fans on. But he had Charlie Klauseron, who's the composer for the Saw Films, who originally, originally was an instrumentalist for nine-inch nails. And I just, he brought me something because like I want that I asked what, what program he uses. But I never, I never actually spoke to Charlie Klauser, but like I would love, if I would love to work on a Saw film. That's one of my dreams to work on one of the Saw Films, future Saw Films, which they are planning. But I would love to write, not write, but like collaborate with Charlie Klauseron, because I played the Saw Theme on piano. I had to come up with it before the sheet music was ever made available for anybody, because I watched the movies and listened to music over and over, so I could, because I usually read music. I don't play by ear, so I have to constantly, you know, go back and blur and go back. Like that's how I tell my stuff, fuck me, and for a dream. I didn't use this, you know, but those are the only two pieces I had to like, use my, you know, I had to listen to, but like I love planning the Saw piece, and I played it for a lot of the cast, and I would love to, and I played like variations on it. That's something I would love to incorporate with Charlie into on a piano, because usually it's a very, it's very industrialized type of music, but I would, I love when they incorporate piano in there, because I love, like that's, I love when any, like even Eminem, when he has or, when they have orchestra and rap, I love when they injured twine, your genres to make it more powerful and intense, or soft or creepy. So like to put more piano in the Saw Theme is something I would love to do. Like to have to, to be, to play a role in that, to have more piano play, it within the overall Saw Theme at the end twist, to give it more that, not Halloween feel, but that, you know, that that's soft or even intense feel, I would love to do that. I was kind of ruminating in my mind when you were telling me this, you said that you were on the Saw Cruise, I could imagine you singing the lounge and playing a lounge version of the Saw Theme. Well, it's actually, it was a piano lounge, but no, no, I was, I was, no, right? I should, I should have done like a jazzy thing. I've actually, you know, it's funny, you say that, I've never done that to the Saw Theme, but I've done that to Rukweam for a dream, which was like not actually difficult at all. I just, I accidentally played it a certain time. tempo and feel my accent, I think maybe because of my tixer, because my finger got, you know, I a lot my finger and I like, that sounds great. Like, like, I did like, like, like, like, like, and it's funny because like, Clint Mansell, who did the recommend for cream soundtrack also did. Because when I'm think of, you know, the soundtrack for smoke and aces, which you listen to the soundtrack, it's very, it sounds similar to record for a dream. Sort of like, you know, certain pieces, you hear by certain artists. So like, you know, it and smoke and aces has a jet can have a jazzy feel to the music. So record for a dream can be played in a jazzy way, which I've done, but I've done it with pack of balls can and too. I played in a jazzy way. So yeah, it's definitely a little quicker moving wedding, right? Yeah. No, actually, it's actually, it wasn't, it was actually parts respect. Yeah, a little bit, but actually, it would be, it would be more for the dance than the walking down the aisle lights. If I did that. Okay, so Gabe, are you ready for a little bit of shameless self promotion shameless self promotion shameless self promotion. Well, can I could do a guilty. Well, I'm Jewish, so I have to have shame. I have to be shameless and get have some guilt. So yes, so self promotion. So the name of my, the podcast show, I'm on is, again, symbolistic cynicism that CYM BAL ISTIC. And I always have to forget how you spell cynicism, but you know, it's also CY, CY and you know, that, you know, let me bring up the icon right now. So I, so I spell it correctly because I, you know, it's like you can't spell Google without Schwarzenegger. You know, you can't spell Schwarzenegger without Google. Sorry. See I spit that out. Yeah, all right. That's, does that sounds ridiculous here. So symbolistic cinemas, citizens, so fully spelled out is CYM BAL ISTIC space CYN, I see ISM. And the name of the podcast channel that we're on is the Indie Escape, the Indie Escape, I don't think I have to spell that out for you. My, I don't have a fan Facebook page, but I have my personal Facebook pages Gabe bez symbolista. My last name is spelled CYM BAL ISTA. My middle name is Bitsala is so I just used to Gabe space be easy symbolista. My LinkedIn is Gabriel symbolista, Gabe symbolista is my Twitter. My Instagram is Gabriel symbols photography that's GABR IEL CYM BALS photography, but it should come up under Gabriel symbols. I don't only post work related stuff, I post a lot of funny stuff. I have a lot of people in the film industry who follow me on both Facebook and Instagram, including some of the saw people, people a lot of people involved in horror. And it's just amazing when you grow up watching these people and then come fans of yours, you know, and the movie I wrote a piano piece for that's coming out of it's hopefully very soon they're in post is called appetite for sin and it starts stars Robert mutes. Eva Hamilton, Ari Lehman of the Friday 13 franchise, Leana Quigley, screen Queen Leana Quigley, Joe Castro, so her, oh, so Eva Hamilton, Ari Lehman Robert Beeps, Aileen Deets, Devani pin, Sean Phillips, Sherry Davis. Yeah, there's a lot there's a lot of people that Julianne Prescott and I wrote a piano piece for this upcoming horror film. The other the other one I'm not going to mention yet because I don't know what the deal is. And yeah, I was actually on a show on you guys should check it out on the on AMC about talking about Tourette's and and and my battle and I actually got a job in the city through it. The show is called the employables that were originally in the BBC in Canada. It was on the BBC in Canada and they brought to America and somebody reached out and they had me on the season one they only did one season in America. It's on episode four it's called the episode four of the employables you can find on Amazon or the AMC. Yeah, no, no, sorry, not A&E, A&E, sorry, not A&E, A&E, okay, and they help people with autism and Tourette's get jobs that I have Tourette said somebody else with autism. I was working, but I wanted a real job where there's benefits and stuff. I was doing video editing at the time as a non independent contractor and I've had a lot of experience even before I went to college. So now I'm still employed by them, but I haven't I haven't I haven't been back to the we haven't really been back to the office much since before COVID. But I have plenty of work that's going on thankfully and I only wrote the piano piece this this past May for this, you know, some very excited for this past summer. So I'm very excited about that and I'm looking forward to carrying on my podcast, but yeah, anybody has any questions they could reach out to me if they want to, you know, get to know me. I'm very I'm I like helping people if they ever, you know, with like, you know, if somebody has Tourette's or, you know, that's all reason I'm writing my book. I like I want I'm not just limiting it to helping people Tourette's, but my my life story. It's like a memoir to to really, you know, reach people who've battled certain, you know, issues whether they're the same ones as me mine or some or some others. Listen, I've been able to help people in areas I couldn't help myself and I was always that single friends who helped friends with relationship advice, what, you know, usually that's like Stevie Wonder, asking Ray Charles for directions. But I was actually successful in helping my non single friends with relationship advice, which is, was something I was happy to help, but it was it, you know, like I said, able to help people in areas that can help myself. But I'm always happy to help people because, you know, I know what it's like to feel helpless and feel alone and at times and, you know, pain sometimes the cure for the pain is in the pain. But I never met a strong person with an easy past, so we, and we never grew out of growing up and remember that, you know, you're just because we feel weak doesn't mean we are weak something, you know, we just, you know, yeah. If I keep quoting making quotes, I'm going to I'm going to slur at some point, you know, if I sort of like, once you get to a certain amount of sequels, you're going to have inconsistencies and continuity errors, but that's how it is. But like, you know, that's why I don't judge sequels for for continuity errors are being inconsistent because that's always how it's been, you know, especially when you have different directors and writers, but you know what, let just don't let that ruin the movie for you. Okay, so we've been talking to you gave symbolist of the symbolistic cynicism podcast on the indie escape network. Maybe we'll get some of those other guys on here one of these days. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yes, thank you so much for coming on and you're really learned a lot here and keep doing the good thing and fighting the good fight, my friend. Yeah, thank you, man, and thank you have for having me on gym and I'm glad I hope hopefully this reaches some people not just for the for the sake of my podcast and stuff, but I hope something I said could help somebody used to it or somebody else who they could say something to somebody to help somebody. Because you know, we like I once had a customer that said we all I asked you need help like we only help some more than others. You know what, he's right. That was the best of a response ever got from a customer and that was years ago in retail, but yeah, thanks for having me on gym. It was an honor and a pleasure. Thank you so much. We're on that internet thingy. And now it's time for sharper suggestions. So in addition to checking out Gabe's podcast symbolistic cynicism, here's a few other podcasts that you might want to check out as well. And okay, it says that he likes a lot of other different types of movies and we do talk a lot about horror, but I had so much fun looking through this list. I love some of the titles of these horror podcasts. So I figured I would share them with you. There is nightmare on film street. I think we mentioned that once before. The new flesh horror movies podcast. Wherewolf ambulance. The horror movie survival guide. Dead and lovely horror movie podcast. Forbbing with horror. The scream scene podcast. We are horrified. A horror movie podcast. A loan in the dark horror movie podcast. Watch it out. Horror movie reviews. The Texas podcast massacre. And finally, it's only a podcast. A horror movie review show. And oddly enough, this with a lot of listeners say about my show. It's only a podcast. It's only a podcast. There's so much to Gabriel, symbolist of symbolistic cynicism. And be sure to check out his podcast for a lot of stuff about cool movies and lots of great interviews. And if you want some more of this show, just keep listening everyone's and just subscribe. If you hit that subscribe button or whatever podcast that you might be listening on, whether it's Apple Podcasts or Google or Spotify or maybe even some of the lesser one news. like radio public or good pods or any of those other small ones or any of the big ones on there. Even Amazon music. What a chevron is your pleasure and you can also hear me on my own website. SurePollution.com. And you can see what's going on at the Sherperschelle if you're paying visit and catch all the episodes that you may have missed. Wow. Wow. That's exciting. I just got myself all happy about that. And also, I wanted to mention one last thing. Before the season's starting, I mentioned that I wanted to do a special episode to celebrate reaching 200 episodes of this podcast. And who do I want to be a guest? I want you. You, you, you, you, you, you over there. Maybe that you would have. But you go on next to the whole thing. Yes, I want you to come on the podcast. And I want to get to know some of my listeners. Let's hear from the Rebels of the Sherpollution. Say hello. Talk a little bit about yourself. Say what you like. Say what you don't like. We'll just say what you like. I think that's easier that way. Or you can even do that with a five-star review at a podcast if you want to. But if you follow me on social media, I will be posting information relatively soon. And we will try and set this up. I would love to have a bunch of people come on and have a lot of fun with me. But that's why I have all my guests. Why not join in on the fun? Right? Simple enough. I think that works. Okay, Mr. Bruce, I'm done. Let's get out of here. Everybody, Viva La Sherpollution. Bye.