Holla at Your Boy with Chanel Ali

[MUSIC] >> With the focus on, welcome to my favorite lyrics, the podcast we talk about music lyrics, except for when we talk about other stuff. And today we got an incredible guest, somebody that's so funny. You might have seen her if you're in New York City. You might have seen her on Girl Code back in the day. Welcome to the show, Chanel Ali. >> Hey, so good to be here. I can't wait to talk about hip-hop. >> And it's various forms and everything that's going on. >> I love it, it influenced me so much. We were just talking about this off mic. I feel like this is a good place to start, is the fact that it used to be a wedding DJ. >> I would be like, hey guys, I'm DJ Chanel, but you can just call me Chanel. >> If anybody needs to speak to me during the wedding, just Chanel is fine. Because it just felt like too much but I worked for a company that had a lot of DJs. And so a couple would come to the company and they would look through a little magazine of DJs and they pick out DJ Chanel. >> They'd be like, she knows, she knows the way around the ones and twos. >> She's the youngest person in this book. >> What other kind of DJs we're going on. >> Just me and all of my guys. >> This is also in this in Michigan. >> This is in the Midwest, yeah, so I'm doing Midwest weddings. >> Okay. >> And this is back before, like Serrato was as jumping as it is now. >> Yeah. >> I was carrying CDs, I'm doing a six disc CD changer, I'm taking a request. I have to find the CD, remember where it is, find the track, sometimes I don't even have the track. I have to screen it, it's insanity. The speakers were so heavy, I would just, I would set up my thing and then just pretend to struggle with the speakers until somebody helped me. Yeah, I would get there early and just, and then some man would come up, hey lady, let me help you with this. Thank you so much, my gosh, I don't know how I was going to do it. >> Yeah, you know what, I don't think, I don't know, I can't tell if I would have helped or not. >> I think you would have. >> I probably would have, but I would have been, I would have seen through it. I would have seen it, I would have been like, she not even trying to lift it for real. She wouldn't even, she could do it, look at her, she got that. >> I actually could see you more being like, hey, so much in helper. >> [LAUGH] >> You guys. >> Not doing one of my homies, come on guys, you just put your drinks down and go help her. >> Come on, I'm too drunk, I'm too drunk, I can't, you know, I go over there, I'll drop it on her foot. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> But it was also a lot of pressure, I mean, you would have a manager come into the wedding and if people weren't aggressively dancing, you would get marked down. >> So it was my job to really keep them on the floor, and I'm sweat that bright out, you know what I mean? I was like, y'all are all going to work. >> Did you base it more off of music that you thought was good or did you base it off of what you thought the flavor of the wedding was going to be? >> The flavor of the wedding for sure. Especially like, once I had a conversation with the bride in the groom, I was like, I see y'all. >> Interesting. >> Sweet Caroline as, I see y'all, I see y'all. >> Can we just, can we just talk about sweet Caroline really quick? We talked about sweet Caroline, sweet Caroline was like, I didn't hear that song until I got to the college. We've talked a lot on this show about the kind of racial division that can exist amongst music. Did you grow up around white people? Sometimes. >> I moved a lot. >> Okay, so like, depending on neighborhood or school or whatever, I feel like I grew up in a pretty blended environment. It was definitely, it was a good amount of everybody, like everybody was there. But I definitely been to like white people's houses. I've been to white people parties, you know, you go to college. Unless you go to HBCU, you're going to college with a lot of white people. >> Absolutely. >> I spent time around, many in comedy. >> Yes. >> I've been in very white environments, so I feel like I would, I feel like I have a good sense for what's happening. We've talked about this a bunch, and then you'll go to certain settings and you'll be like, where have y'all been hiding this? >> [LAUGH] >> Why I got such cool stuff over here. >> Well, not even cool, just shit that I'm like, just shit that I'm like, when did y'all tuck this away? This feels like y'all are hiding this, sweet Caroline was one of them types of songs. I was at a college baseball game, and they all started doing sweet Caroline in every single person, except for, I was one of maybe two black people in the whole stadiums. [MUSIC] >> Why are you singing the chord changes? >> It doesn't happen like that in almost any other song. >> And if you're not like privy to that, especially as a person of color, when you watch a bunch of white people start, you're like, what is this? >> It's terrifying. >> What episode of what show are we about to be a part of? >> You feel like you might get tossed in like a boiling pot. >> Something crazy. I remember one time when I lived in Austin, I took shrooms and went to, I did a backyard comedy show that then turned into a party afterwards. And I remember being fully on shrooms and a bunch of white people started singing. They started rapping like the real Slim Shady or something like that. And it was one of, in the moment, it was the scariest thing that ever happened to me in my life. And I was like, I have to leave. It felt like a threat in the moment. They were just singing along to the song that was playing on the speakers. But whatever Eminem's song it was, I was like, this feels like it is at me, and I'm going to need to step away from the party and I left. >> Because they're doing something that it's like, whoa, you need to say I was going to do that. >> Yeah, I don't, I guess what I'm learning is I don't like when white people are in unison doing anything. >> It's scary. >> Anytime they're all doing something collectively, I need to take a step back. I need to be around to exit. I need to be in a position where I can leave as soon as possible. >> Watching white people all clap on the one and the three. >> Yeah. >> I'm like, are we okay? >> It's challenging. >> What, don't let no candles in here. >> [LAUGH] >> Y'all better not be saying nothing up. >> It is, that is a fascinating, not so like, I don't know, I try not to be a comedian who's doing white people like this and black people are like this. >> But what else is there to talk about? >> [LAUGH] >> Where are we going to pull material, if we don't acknowledge? >> We got to talk, it is different. I remember one time my mom took me to go see my mom. She was living in Virginia at the time and I was, I guess I must have been living in New York and I came to visit her and she was like, Devon, I got a surprise for us. And I was like, what's going on? Are we going to a new restaurant? She's like, we're going to go to a comedy show tonight. >> And I was like, mama, your heart's such and though she's so in the right place, and she's probably going to watch this. But mom, your heart was in the right place, but I was like, I do this every day. >> I'd rather just watch something on Netflix with you. We could truly, we could just hang out and shoot the shit. >> You know, we're going to do your day off, watch your friends work. >> Exactly, you know, we're going to do your day off, go back to work. And I remember we watched this guy, it was like a guy who was like, he was on Steve Harvey's morning show. He was like, one of Steve Harvey's sidekicks and one of Steve Harvey's 35 jobs that he has. And she was like, yeah, we're going to see Junior from the Steve Harvey morning show. >> You know him. >> And I was like, I really don't know, we're in different corners, and I was like. >> We're doing different activities at different times. >> He's just, he's around Steve Harvey, he's around Steve Harvey Day wearing hard bottom shoes and big suits. And that's beautiful for him, but I just got a different lifestyle, huh? >> Yeah, my closet's not that big. >> You know what I'm saying exactly, I live in New York City, and my closet's in the living room. I don't even got a closet in the room, I got to go around the couch. >> Yeah. >> But I remember just being like, you know, if I could guess mom, this dude is going to have like a big chunk of white people are like this and black people are like that. And when I say it was 35, smooth minutes. >> That's a long time, it was a co-headlining show. >> No, no, no, no, no, it was just his show. He talked about some other stuff too. He also did, I wasn't headlining it all then. And so I feel like I did respect that he had a real big chunk that was just like local observations. But then when I realized that he did was like, he just asked somebody like, "Oh, what's a bad neighborhood in this part of town?" >> And they started shouting it out. >> And then he just like, I was like, oh, this is just a stock joke. This is just a stock joke, but then like every city that you go to, oh, I was in, I was in crevice point. >> Yeah. >> Oh man, y'all ain't tell me it was that bad over there. And I was like, this is, that can be what the road is. That can be what the road is. >> Absolutely, I'm just going to do that bit tomorrow. >> I'm doing it. >> You know what, you go to the lip, I mean, comics, if any comics listen to this, you can use that. >> You can go to any city and be like. >> I asked the waiter at the comedy club, what's the neighborhood that's like, you hate to go, they'd be like, oh, you know, Dorchester. And then you start, oh, man, I was over there, I'm not going over there again. >> Chanel, wedding DJ, what's outside of Sweet Caroline, what else was popping? >> Oh, you were wedding DJ times. >> White people in the Midwest, they love jump around by House of Pain. >> As a white Midwestern or Carmen? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you're getting excited, I know. >> [LAUGH] >> And I'm going to play it, but I'm going to play it. >> Y'all can't see it, but Carmen already on her toes, she's, she seconds away from jumping around. >> And I released from trial and error in the beginning. I was like, I don't know what to play. And then I was like, well, they love that jump around. Wow, they were grabbing the decorations off the wall, they're going 'em around. They're destroying the wedding, wow, that's a great show, you know? >> Interesting. >> No diggity. >> It's, God. >> It's just, I just- >> It's a trend sense race, no diggity. >> [LAUGH] >> You know, I guess, no, I could get down with no diggity. They're just, there are certain songs that like have that level of popularity that I'm just like, we've got to retire at a certain point. >> Yeah. >> No diggity is like right on the verge of that. This is how we do it, I don't need to ever hear this is how we do it for the rest of my life. >> That makes me feel old now. >> What? >> This is how we do it? >> Yeah. >> I'm like, look at what, what's in 1998? >> You know what I mean? >> Why are you in my head? >> This is how we do it, like, certain, there are certain like classic songs. The Chachas flag could stay. >> We'll know it. >> The Chachas flag could stay. >> That's something for everybody. The Beyonce before I let go when everybody does the electric slide like that could. >> Everyone's wrong, I'll keep a shuffle, get sneak in there. You're done, you're done, I'll keep a shuffle. >> Shout out to Cube. We've had him on this show, to the right and to the left and to the left, and everything in between. Cupid, cool last dude, I've heard it. The wobble, I'll never do the wobble again for the rest of my life. I have a really negative connotation with the wobble. The wobble came out when I was in college, and I remember like it was everywhere. And I remember, I've talked about this on the pop, but I remember going to this party with these people that I had a science lab with. I thought I was going to hook up with one of the girls. I thought we had a vibe. And so I thought it was like this is the time when it's supposed to happen. And then she was in there with another, with a different weight. And I was just like, and then everybody was doing the wobble. And I was like sitting on the side of the chair, being mad that I was at this function. I was like, this dance is stupid. Yeah, and I was like, how long do I have to be there? And I was like, come on, get up and do the wobble. And then I was just like, doing it angry, wobble, maybe wobble. And after that, I was like, this is the last time I'm doing this fucking dance. Don't do the wobble angry. You know, you know what else would surprise you? Or some regulate. Oh, why people love regulate. Yeah, especially the way it starts. It's pretty good. Regulators. You know, we see every whatever they say. They can't just be anyone. Get up. Get up. Come on, they're playing it. Because that has a good intro. You have enough time to go get your friend and get the prize. And it's just like, I mean, every 10 out of 10, they're regulate. That feels like-- 10 out of 10. I wouldn't have guessed that, but now that you're saying it, and I'm like, that makes perfect sense. Everybody's on board. Interesting. Because you need a lead up. Yeah. You need a lead up. I feel like the black people wedding version of that is back that ass up. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Or it's like you can-- Zoom. Zoom. Zoom. Zoom. It gives. 20 seconds for people to really be like, OK. To decide. I'm by the go catch the vibe right now. Yeah. I was waiting. And now I think this is where I'm going to start it. That's like a real, like, get you off your feet. Yes. Did you ever try to slip any of your own music? My-- Or not music, did you? Because I had beats. I had some beats. No, I never tried to put them on game. OK. Because I was really tried. I was-- I remember knowing that the money was in getting them to buy extra hours, right? Oh, I didn't realize I was part of it. Yeah, that was it. That was where the real money was. Because if I could get them to pay past midnight. It's like overtime. We were paying double. We were $300, $400 an hour now. OK, now. I really needed that money. So I would wait until like 11.50. 11.50 pm. I'd be like, let's do thriller. I'm going to throw a throw. Then we'll do no digging. Just the first verse because they get tired. A little jump around. Yeah. Oh, you're saving on it. I'm saving this. Listen to the clip. This is my emergency. It's about to be midnight. Interesting. Then I put on, you know, whatever else that I'm like, this is going to get everybody. And then I find the father of the bride. And while people are going crazy. Because that's the money, man. Yes. I walk up to him and I'm like, this is the last song. We have to wrap it up after this. And then he looks at the dance floor and his daughter. She's crying off her makeup. She's so sweaty. Everybody's having their shoes off. They're in a state of euphoria. Interesting. And he knows that if he doesn't give me another $500, $600. Yeah. This is it. Oh, does it? Do you need a cash in hand? Yes. Immediately. Or write the check. It's not even later. You have 60 seconds. And then I have this house. Do you get it off? You got to figure something out. Yeah. They're like, whatever little girl. Yeah. I'll pay it from my daughter, whatever. Yeah. They sound like that when they're up north. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's how I would do it. I mean, the money was hustling them right at midnight, getting them to feel like. And then after that, I wouldn't go put on like Sinatra. I'd sit down. Sure. Because I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. The cash is in hand, the money is back. I would like it to be able to go home. Yeah. Hit them with the, hit them with the don't stop believing. That's another joint that. Yes. This is another joint that I didn't learn until I got to college. That I also was like, my, my whites where I'm from weren't, they weren't doing this. My whites weren't on this. Or if they were, they were like keeping it like, they just, or they just knew, I think the white people I grew up around, grew up around enough black and Mexican people to know like, don't nobody want to hear that. Yeah, play that later. Or they would like, save it for their separate white people functions. Country music I did grow up around. Yeah. But that's like the Texas, that's the Texas of it all. Where it's like, that was kind of inescapable. Yeah. Yeah, country was just wrong. I mean, the first time I went to Texas recently and I was like, wow, I was a lot of cowboy heads. Where'd you go? I went to Houston. I went to Dallas. I was doing the house of blues with Jared Fried actually. Okay, I got you really fun. But I was like, man, I got a cowboy hat. Yeah, no, the cowboy hat's is real. That's what I think people is. I'm such an up north girl. Yeah, yeah. When a guy with a cowboy hat is like, let me get the door for you. I'm like, I shouldn't go in here. Let me turn around. This is, I was stupid. I was going to chill with a lobby and have a drink. No. My dad's also from the east coast, but he's never, he's living in Texas now for like 30-something years. So it's like, he got a cowboy hat. He got a cowboy hat. He got boots. Yeah. I, by the end of the trip, I was like, I should just get one. And then I feel better. Like get a nice velvet one or something. Yeah. Why not? At least get some boots. I bought my first pair of boots like two years ago. Wow. And they really, they're like, they're nice. I put them on with a suit. Wow. I didn't see that coming. Yes, nice one. I'm inspired. Chanel, Philly, Philly's own. You know. Philly's own. Yeah. What, what were you listening to as a, as a young Chanel? Oh, man. You know Cassidy. I do know Cassidy. You know, I used to, I used to love Cassidy. I, uh, yeah, I mean, I was listening to all the east coast rap. But definitely Cassidy was big for me. Uh, Meek Mill got pretty poppin' while I was in like, early college years. 'Cause I went to Temple in Philly. Is this when he was, okay, but is this when he was still local? Or this is when he like started to like, like, blah, blah. He was still local, but he was, he was just starting to get there. I remember I went to a Tray songs concert in Philly. Woo. And Meek Mill opened the show. And that was like, whoa. Everybody was like, oh, he up. We came in and our freaking deserve fuck Tray songs. But now we have a local rapper here. Yeah. That was really exciting. I'm sure everybody, I'm sure both of them did well that night. Yeah. I'm sure both of them found somebody, although I hope not too many women found Tray songs. Yeah, I don't know. I think they did. But, yeah, they were out there heavy. Um, but yeah, I remember Lupe Fiasco came to Temple and he performed. That was like, the first time I got like a free ticket to something. Yeah. And I went there and I stood up the whole time and I was like, we need chairs. This is crazy, but I was like, man, I'm really digging this. And then I started to like, ingratiate myself in the music community in Philly. Okay. I started making beats. I started hanging out with only artists. And I went to one of their open mics one night. And my pianist friend signed me up for the open mic list that night. And that's when I tried comedy for the last time. Oh, did you stand up? Yes. Oh, I thought you were getting signed up to like, perform an original song. It was like a multi-genre open mic. So they had like poets and rappers and blah, blah, blah. And I remember it was $20 to get in. It was just a lot for an open mic. So my friend felt really bad. He was like, I'm sorry, you paid $20. And then the host got on stage and said, we got an empty slot. If somebody isn't signed up, we're going to be sitting here waiting for the guy to park and come and blah, blah. And I was like, man, just sign me up. Yeah, just sign me up. This is like out of a movie. Yeah, I know. This is like out of the movie version of it. You like go up and you do stand up. And there's like an executive in the back. He's like, hey, kid. Yeah, and he's like, he's like, he's like, you had some pretty interesting stuff. Here's my card. Yeah. Why don't you reach out. If you're going to take the serious. That's the movie version of it. It did feel like that. It was like, I needed to answer a question for myself. Yeah. And I was like, today seems like the day you should do it. So I was like, 50/50. I was like, maybe you'll go up there and you will be funny. And everything you think about yourself is true. Yeah. Or maybe you're wrong. And it's, it's, you know, we got to go back to school. Wow. So a lot was riding on this moment. For sure. And I remember my friend turned to me and he said, what are you going to say? And I said, I don't know. I'm just going to talk about my job because at the time I worked at the Philadelphia airport. Okay. And so I got up there and I just talked about like a couple of interactions I had with passengers that I was like, that was out of my, that was crazy. Yeah. I mean, people are a world of the airport. And people laughed and they were like, wow, you, where do you usually perform? And I was like, oh, wow. They're just like my dick. Oh, my God. That's amazing. And so then it still took me like another year after that to take it serious. Okay. But that was the first time I did it. Wait, that's such a crazy story because you went there truly just like on some like community support. Absolutely. And then found your like life's passion. But I think like if I wouldn't have ingratiated myself in that friend group. Yeah. I wouldn't have found myself maybe not as soon. Because they used to always say to me they were like, like, they're, they're famous now. They're famous painters and rappers and, and, you know, just incredible artists. And they were like, we were always trying to figure out which you were. Like what type of artist you were. We were never sure. And then we saw you do comedy and we're like, that's what she is. And so I really feel like I, I found a core like chosen family. And that helped me be my most most authentic self. And then I was able to just like be honest. That's really nice. Yeah. That's like a really, that's like a heartwarming story. I know. You found community and ultimately. And it's for a lot of us. It costs quite a bit more. Yeah. Yeah. That's wow. That really is such a nice story. The first time. The first time you, you found stand up through community. I found stand up through straight up like. I just like I'd went fully alone like in the night time in the shadows. and just was like, I'm gonna give this a shot. 'Cause I remember like, I thought about, 'cause I was like, you know, I was funny. But like, you know, obviously as we all know, it's a difference between being like funny at school and being funny like on stage. And I remember being like, there was like a competition, I lived in Austin, I remember there being a competition, there was like the funniest person Austin competition. And I remember like missing the deadline. For whatever reason my first idea was like, I'm gonna go compete in the funniest person in the city competition. - We all want that in the beginning. After never doing it at all. I was like, that's what I'll start. - Yeah, and I'll never bond. It's never gonna happen to me. - I'll start in a competition in a competitive format for a thing I've never even tried before. - Yeah. - Idiot. - That's specials on the way. - You know what I was like, that's a fuck. But I was like, I missed that. And I was just like, okay, like, I need to start trying so that by next year's competition, I could be ready. I don't know why it was so competition. Folk, that sucks. - It's 'cause we don't wanna, we can imagine what the work is and that feels irrational. - Yeah. - So we're like, let's just hurry up and get discovered. - I'll just get to the part where people can like see me and I can like win awards and stuff. - Give me money. - But I like, I didn't tell anybody I was gonna do it. The first few times I like went, I didn't tell like, not a soul knew. - Wow. - Maybe like my girlfriend at the time knew about it. - But I was like, shut up. - Yeah, yeah. - Don't tell anybody about what I'm gonna go that you tiptoed. - That's. - Bush to Bush. - You're sneaky. (laughing) - Oh, but I like, yeah, I went and I like, and I did it and it went, it went so bad the first few times that I did it that I like, I like shrunk, I didn't do it again for like a minute. I didn't do it, I also took a year off, but it was straight up because I was like, well, this probably ain't for me. (laughing) - I was so proud of you for fighting that feeling down. - I bounced back and then when I came back like a year or so later, it was, I like figured it wasn't nearly as bad. - And I also, and also I realized like, oh, you have to keep doing it. - Yeah, to have actual growth, yeah. - 'Cause in my mind, in my mind, I was like, I've been funny a bunch of times in my life. I'm gonna go up there and like-- - Be a combination of all those times. - And be me. - Yeah. - And then that'll, and then it'll just go from there. - I remember feeling like, just Ellen needs to just see me. (laughing) That's the only thing that's stopping me from being a household name is that Ellen hasn't seen me. - Yeah. - But once she died, my grandmother will get in contact with her, and then it'll figure herself out. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - So then I moved to New York after doing comedy in Philly for like two years, and every Monday, and I still do this now, I started listening to "Reasonable Doubt" by Jay-Z. - Okay. - Because, you know, that's when he's like, in transition from selling drugs to being a rapper, and he's raw, he's talking that shit. - He is. - And I still think a lot of comedians hear to listen to that album. - I'd like to revisit it, you know? I don't remember the last time I've ever listened to it like all the way through. - Yeah. - But it's like, that young Jay-Z is really talking like cash shit. And we've, I've talked about this on the show before with Jay-Z specifically. - Yeah. - Every story that you ever hear about Jay-Z is him doing the fly a shit you've ever heard. - Yeah. - I've never heard Jay-Z ever be like, yeah, like I was, it was a pretty good day, but then I like spilled a bunch of mustard on my pants, and like, I was walking around. I was really self-conscious about the fact that the mustard was there. It was, it was frustrating. - Sort of raining. - Yeah, it was raining, and I like stepped in a puddle or a pond, and like, then my foot was wet, and I mustard on my pants, and it was just a bet. Every day you hear about Jay-Z, he's like, yeah, you know, I sold a lot of drugs. I didn't get close to getting caught by the police. I was really cash rich. And then I like went and like walked into the studio. There's all these stories that people talk about Jay-Z walking into the studio for like five minutes, laying down like an impossibly good verse that he just thought of on the spot, and then walking back out and like, - Like no pens, no paper. - Just like laying in like one take, and then he walks in with like, yeah, then it's like classic Jay-Z verse. They're like, yeah, he just like walked in. We knew he only had him for five minutes, and so we were like, can you come up with something on the spot, and he's like, yeah, perfect verse, and then he left, and then like, he got a dick sucked in the car. - Just because he had a driver. - Yeah, he had a driver back then. - Like that, that's every story I hear about Jay-Z, is that I'm like, man, I just feel like most rappers when they talk about being the coolest nigga of all time, I'm like, that's, you got bad. Jay-Z feels like he's never had a bad day, except when Salon's beat him up. - That seemed like a stressful day. (laughing) - And then maybe the day when the video came out, I think maybe two stressful days. - Sure, 'cause I forget how much time there was between when the event happened, but he knew. He knew he was like, it's a kid, it's a kid. - Oh, while we're fighting in the elevator. - Yeah. - I like that shit though. (laughing) - I really do. - Yeah, you would've, I just think like, as we grow in our careers, I want some scandal. - Sure. - Not like too messy, hopefully, but a little crazy, like, we gotta smile, wipe your tears a little. Let's get ready, you know. - Have you ever ever been involved in a scandal? - Uh, not seriously. (laughing) - You gotta be the change you wanna see in the world. We gotta get you involved in some sort of scandal. - Like an entertainment scandal? - Yeah, which is like, it's harder, it's harder in our line of work. - I feel like you might've been in on it too, but I remember when Ariana Grande got a pet pig. Do you remember that? - Why would I been in on it? - You know, you know why, you know why. And she had a pet pig and it was like, everybody online was like, oh my God. And I had seen the pig, because I think we bought weed from the same guy. And he was like, I got pictures of the pig. And it was just like, I remember feeling like, I'm before the blogs. - Whoa. - I know everything about that pig. - He was like tapped into, did she still have a pig? - That's why I was scandalous. - That's why I was so scandalous. 'Cause everybody was like, she got a pet pig. No way she's gonna take care of a pet pig. And then all of a sudden, we never saw that. But I don't know, maybe she got an assistant taking care of the pig, I hope so. - Ariana Grande's pig, if you're listening and we know that you are, reach out. - I think it's still not on Instagram. We'll get up. - Let us know if you're okay. We prayin' for you, pig. - Yeah. (upbeat music) - You were a DJ and you were making beats. - Yeah. - You were doing comedy. - You were trying comedy. - And you were listening to reasonable doubt. - I was listening to reasonable doubt. But I also really, I think they say that your favorite album is the one that comes out when you're in junior high. - Oh, I always thought it was when you were in early college. - I heard junior high 'cause I heard that those years are when we are the most impressionable. And I saw this, I mean, I read this in a book, which is TikTok. And so it's fact, it's really good information. - You can't debate that. - We can't argue. And so, I feel like the dynasty album, is a jazzy album, but other people say it's a whole. - It's like Rockefeller. - It's a compilation of you, yeah, yeah. - But I just think it impacted me so much because it's a lot of boys, boy rappers, emoting. They're being very emotional. - Interesting. - There's a song in there called Where Have You Been. And it's just every rapper dedicating a verse to their dads and they're upset. (laughing) None of them are happy. - Yeah, they're, you're saying none of them are the men like dad, you did a good job. I appreciate you spinning. (laughing) - I'll beat your ass if I ever see you. - I'll never need to do, look at me. I'm a dynasty album. - Where the fuck you at? Under a bridge, I hope. - 13 year-ocean, I was like, it's gonna make a spit. (laughing) That's right, you fuck him. - I guess, I feel like I'm learning something about you. (laughing) - I was like, I don't need him. - Yeah, I feel like I'm-- - But also, where have you been? And that's a good question. - And what are you doing and are you coming back? - I think, do you know the song? - 'Cause that's how I was like, no, I don't-- - I said, you come in, that's how it goes. That's how it goes. You know the song. - I know, maybe I, yeah, maybe I do. - Not just me. - One time I was at an open mic and I forget who was hosting it, but it was a black woman. And like, it was at, it was at, it was at peaches. It was at peaches and like, Clinton Hill as a peaches restaurant. And I remember her being like, you know, we all, we all just like, up here doing comedy because like, we don't got dad. - No, no. - She goes, except for Devon, you could tell, he was close with his. (laughing) - What the fuck? - That's it. I'm gonna introduce you that way every time. You know what I'm gonna do? - You could tell he's close with his father. You could tell him and his dad got a pretty strong relationship. They knew each other. They didn't have no breaks in communication. Y'all give it up for Dev. - Dev, good school. Good school. - Okay, school. - Okay, school. - Okay, school, not a, not, you know, state school. - But yeah, where have you been? I mean, that's the title of song that, and know it's all about dads. Where have you been? - Man, this really. - And I think that was like the last track on that album, I think. I think it's like how they, and you get your reign, the whole song, it's reigning, and every verse that these rappers are talking about their dads. - Yeah, this is, you really do remember this, 'cause this really is. - Yes, I'm telling you, I was like, let it reign, and I'm gonna put this song on, and I think about my dad. - You was really like, you was in it as a kid. - Yeah, for sure. - You was really, you was listening to, you was listening to the Rockefeller album. - Mm-hmm. - You was listening to the Rockefeller album, and you was listening to Jay-Z. You was really listening to the album. - The Dynasty album, I was like, nobody better scratch this record. I'm very serious. This is something I'm gonna listen to all the time. - This is like, I'm looking at this. This came out on Halloween in 2000. - Yeah. - And this is like, this is like a real 2000 like, Clad, this is an early arts kind of, you got just blaze on here. - Yes. - Oh, this one had, I just wanna love you. - Mm-hmm. - Give it to me. - Yeah. - Give me that fun. - That was a single. - Yes, yeah, good, she stuff. - But the rest of it is. - It's Can't Be Life. - Come on. - Produced by Kanye. - Come on. This Can't Be Life. - Yeah. - It's classic. - Who's your favorite Philly rapper? - I knew you were gonna ask me that. And that's really hard. Okay, because I don't have one That's really art, but I'll give a lot of love to freeway. I love freeway and uh, you know beanie Um, I don't think we can count J. Electronica, but he shouts out Philly enough that for me is good. What is his relationship to Philly? He was poor there. Oh got you because he's from New Orleans. Yeah, he's been all over Yeah, he's been he was at the he was with the Rothschilds He's not anymore. No, no, I think he's I think they've gone their separate ways. Oh, that's a shame There's certain people we know people in like this in comedy too where it's like you would believe any story you hear about them Would believe yeah, you don't know just like he I feel like J. Electronica's exactly that where it's like he put out one project Over the course of like 15 years, and it was like immediately everybody's like this is the next great artist But then he like wouldn't put anything else out Yeah, and then he was like involved with one of the Rothschilds who like left her husband to be with J. Like he's like Living in like London chill in yeah with like a billionaire family like he has big long money. Yeah Huh, he seems happy. I hope so. Yeah, I hope so wasn't he was a him and Eric about do for a minute. I think so okay We'll have to double check that. Yeah, I got a y'all can y'all can fact check me in the comments But um, you know, let's talk about some lyrics. Okay. Let's talk about some lyrics You brought us some some music from Jay-Z. Okay. Yes, one nine hundred hustla. I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up the lyrics for you and you can are you ready? I don't even know if I need this. Oh, I mean if you need it, let me just let me just lay it out for you. Okay. Go ahead set the scene Jay-Z Yeah, Bini Seagull Memphis bleak and freeway are all on this track one nine hundred hustla And it's a line where you could call in and talk to them. How about what you're going through Oh, they're doing like a like a therapy hotline. Enterprising. This is business. This is business. It always is with Jay Imagine if we could do that if we could have at some point in our careers called into Jay-Z and be called no, no two comedians Too comedians you want to talk to Jay-Z? No, I don't want to talk to comedians either I don't know. I don't know who I want to talk to was you want to call up Martin Lawrence 67 years ago and be like hey, should I say this this tag? I think that could be dope for the kind of for the for the comedy that I do in the comedy Martin does I think he might lead I think he might lead me astray for where I'm trying to go Also, like I don't know comics don't be wanting to like I feel like it's a sir It's a certain type of like nice guy comedian who really wants to Like lead you down the right and be like hey, like why don't you try this? Because then well, I feel like there's a lot of guys who want to do that But they're usually not the guys you want to take that advice from like I remember being at open mics when I was when I was in Texas back in the day, and I remember there's this one dude who like what always like when I started out You know, like certain guys seem so wise. Yes, when you're starting. Yeah, you know when you're starting There was this one guy who like he'd be at all the mics with me. I was you know a couple months in and he seemed he knew people and he'd be like Like hey, man, like you should you should try to like transition from like this idea to like this idea Yeah, like why don't you okay? You see you see how she inserts? You shouldn't in sets like that. Don't don't wear that type of shirt like he was telling me all that shit Truly one year later. I was like this niggas insane He's crazy 65 days later. I was like I don't know this guy knows he's talking about that's what I'm saying He's where he's wearing a lab coat around a lot and I've never seen him go to a hospital like he's yeah, he's fucking nuts There is that that cusp of comedy where these guys like to hang around but don't have the balls to actually do the thing They say and they're like yeah, but I know what I'm talking about though. Yeah, and I'm like yeah, but you're a little bit Yeah, you like you never go on stage, but you're always you're always here Why would I listen to a little bitch? I'm saying that on a regular basis. You should Okay, so you call one one night at a hustler you tell him what's going on jazzy takes the first call Okay, some guy from Brooklyn. He's like yo, I moved to another place. I'm trying to like start my shit up He's like yo either play nice in the new neighborhood or find like the biggest baddest guy go smack him Take his stuff and then sell it back to him The guys like I like that. I'm gonna go with that one jazzy says right out of check to me eight hundred dollars. That's what he they're Independent contractors. This is fascinating that jazzy's like all right you can call it because Presumably this conversation couldn't have gone on any longer than 30 40 seconds We're talking a short verse. We're talking a short verse. We're talking a minute tops You know and jazzy's it main advice is beat somebody up and rob them smack him and then on top of that jazzy's like and You know what before you rob him. I'm gonna go ahead and rob you. That's eight hundred dollars right out of check for the one minute jigger man The rock is in the building right so then Chris off the young guns calls in shout out the young guns tell you and he's like Yo, they take it too long with this it's money. They keep talking about chill chill to pay the bills. Come on How many times we felt like that? How many times we felt anybody who was an independent contractor you waiting on an invoice? You know they'd be like oh, it's in the mail. No, it ain't This is something that I this is something I could talk about for hours is something I could talk about for days. Yeah Especially especially during moments when you like meet it. Oh my gosh They're in moments like I definitely remember like having moments where I like Needed whatever check and it wasn't even a crazy check No, this is like this might be a check for the 3500 dollars. Yeah, you know what I'm saying But at the time that 3500 dollars is like I got I already got that allocated before I even got Over drawn 2000 you really so it's like that's gonna help me get back on top and then like I remember literally be like I think it was like a comedy central you know like a comedy central featuring thing They give you like three four thousand dollars and like that and Which I was I was thrilled to get because I remember at that time being like all right So like all right, I got to pay this bill off. I got to pay my credit card and I was like then like once all that clear I could take a couple ubers this month I'm gonna get some Chinese food you know to be like it's like okay I don't got to eat a bodega sandwich again today like I could go just the idea of getting out survival mode when you've been in it Yes, it's like you're you're in an email with somebody and they're on the other end of thousands of dollars that you need and they're like And they're chilling. Yeah, because they're not in survival. They have they get paid by weekly Yes, they know exactly when HX is coming so they not really in that and you you can't sound too thirsty No when you looking for it. Then they're like we can't work with You know because now they got it they checking in on the bread all the time but you over there being like hey, but I got And they'll tell you they'd be like we thought it was gonna be Tuesday But it's actually gonna be Thursday and you're like why I'm dying on Wednesday. Yeah So what are we gonna do now? I guess and I guess that blood will be on your hands. Yeah, they're gonna call you from the funeral when they find me So yeah, Corey he called What is his name was Chris? Chris calls in and he's like Yeah, what should I do Memphis week tell some a lot of like whatever he's like advice. I don't know It didn't really it was more like yo just like just like move quietly, you know Stack your paper. He's saying the same thing. Yeah, and like hey, don't be on them too heavy because he's why people gonna be moving like he's like He's like we you know the calms start riots He's at the end of the call. He doesn't discuss payment at all Doesn't ask for any money in any form. Uh-huh He says if you need more help call back hit extension trade bound He's trying to like he's trying to extend it Yes, like that'll be 800 dollars and I haven't helped you now, but tell me back again I'm gonna take another 800 and then we gonna get to the bottom. Oh, Jay Z is charging 800 Please not charging anything. Oh, it's no money. He's not saying anything about it. Oh, she don't figure it out of the later date I guess. Oh, he's see he not on his business. No, he's not on his business now like Jay Z Yeah, well Jay Z said I mean you check immediately right it out and if you look that is kind of how it played out Exactly So they're being honest and their advice right you could see the blueprint. Sorry For it all right here burn this place down. Come on. No, because this is now. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we doing here Welcome to my favorite lyrics Uh-huh when I had a hustler So seagull beanie seagulls taking every call he's the operator. Yeah, that's how you info when I had a hustler Let's see go how much of boy what you need. I say that all the time. Are you calling me ever? I'll say that whoa When I had a hustler see go how much of boy so uh, I've never said how much of boy I want you to start not not earnestly at least You know what I'm saying? Some phrases. I just know. I'm just I Groups suburban in a way that like I just know certain phrases aren't accessible to me We just need to practice You know to say like if I if I let if I left out of like a like a situation if we were like at a show and I was like all right Howl at your boy you'd be like no You telegraphed it so much You was thinking about it so much I'm like you're thinking howl at your Howl at your boy and that's how it comes out crazy you feel and you feel it That's what I'm saying that's why there's so I just know certain phrases that I got to I got to leave that to To be any seagull. Yeah, and you or just don't lock in so hard. Yeah Okay, I'm still I'm not gonna try it. I'm not gonna try it because I know my I know my limits, but go ahead So freeway takes the last verse The guy calls and he's like it's dev murder kill homicide. They're like what's your mouth? Yeah, we're on the phone Oh, yeah, you know, they're concerned. You don't know who listening. Yeah, what the Federal listening? It's called what I had a hustler. Yeah, they they looking for hustling type activities Also, Jay's he already took a cash payment after telling or he took a check payment after telling somebody to be somebody up and rob him And he said right my name on it. So it's like they're getting gone. The jig is up. This is why they only have one song So the hotline only could last so long exactly So uh freeway, I mean, you know freeway style. He's a first things first watch what would you he's has a very like emotional rap voice It sounds like he's crying. I want to talk to you about that in a second. Okay cool. It's a very silly thing That's what that's a very emotional thing and so he gives him this advice. He's like, yo, don't be playing dice Stay away from whores Good advice You know right out of check to fr two ease. Mm-hmm. How many two thousand dollars? Wow How long is this song in total what four minutes? Maybe less. So this song is a total four minutes. Yes. Is there a chorus? Is there a hook on the song. Not really. No. Okay. So it's just just a sequel coming back on in between and taking the next call. But no, there isn't really a chorus. So it's like, this is four minutes worth of song. Yeah. Ultimately, I'm sorry. Freeway took how much? $2,000. They've taken $2,800 collectively over the course of four minutes. Yeah. I mean, this is either this is either really good business or really bad business depending on how you look. Like this does seem like the type of shit that's going to get you investigated by several bureaus. The Yelp reviews are going to be varied. Yeah. Cause some people are going to be like, yo, jigger man really helped me out. Another people are like, these pussy asses, bad advice ass. They took $2,000. I can't let me charge me. Tell me it's going to be that much. It's crazy ass. I'm in the hood. I got slapped. They took my shit. They beat me. They said the first minute was free. I do what he said. People fuck my bitch. They fucked my bitch. And then I have to pay him. It's an enterprise. Somebody be exasperated about getting a bitch fucked is one of the funniest. Man, they fuck my bitch. What the fuck do they fuck my bitch? She fucked my bitch. She fucked my bitch. I called him and he fucked my bitch. I called one night under us. And they fucked my bitch. Ain't this some shit. And I made them animal animal probation at work. But yeah, that's when I had a hustler. And I just love it because how did they even think of this? Yeah. How are they sitting around doing hotline song? I like a call in song. I like it too. Yeah. That brings to mind like Dr. Carter. Dr. Carter, you know, the Wayne song we've talked about this on the pop before. But it's like for those of y'all who weren't there in the early days, that was a, that was who's episode was that? That was Mary Beth Barone. She brought in Dr. Carter. Oh, nice. Every, every, every verse was him helping a different rapper with like an issue that they were dealing with. Absolutely. And he was the doctor. But the, it's three verses in the first two patients die. Oh. The first, the first patient like I forget. And they got to pay him? Well, you know, they got to figure that out with the, with the, with the health insurance. Yeah, they don't ever get into the, the weeds out of how that goes down. They got to deal with Blue Cross Blue Shield on that whole situation. But, uh, but yeah, it was, that's, that's what that reminds me of. I like this song. I've never heard this in my life. I had a feeling when I suggested I was like, he's like, what the hell is this? And then I was like, and then he's going to be like, this is dope. It's a pretty, it's a pretty good idea. I'm like, this era of rap shit. So like, I have an older brother, but my older brother is 12 years older than me. So he, my older brother, this would have really, he would have really been on this type of time. Like this is definitely the type of shit that he would have been into, but he was gone out the house. Yeah. By the time this came out in 2000. Yeah. So it's like, by then he was already gone out the house. Yeah. So like, I, I feel like that's who would have needed to introduce me to put you on. Yeah. To put me on to this. So I feel like I missed this. And my, my dad was, my parents was too old to be on this. So like, I didn't get, I didn't get handed that. See, I had an auntie who was a pool hustler in New Jersey. And she was like, you heard the New Dynasty album. And I was like, they know I haven't put it on. And this is where we are. That's what I'm saying. You needed, oh, you needed an older, somebody older to pass it down to you. Yeah. Cause I was already a big, Jay Z fan. But this is like the Dynasty album. I was like, what is that even like, who was going to be on it? What is it? What is the, the concept there? Yeah. And it's like one of my favorite albums. Huh. Can I, can I ask you about, about, about the Philly rapper sound? Yes. I meant to come back to this. Yes. You brought this up, but every single Philly rapper that I'm aware of is, is screaming all the time. I like to say crying. They're always, I think weeping is actually right where they live. It's really, it really does sound. What's the, uh, what's the Philly song? They always, they, they always do it like basketball games. Um, the bean. I think it is a bean. No, no, no, not that one. It's like, it's like, uh, when your stomach starts growling and she starts poking in it. Oh, that's a freeway song. That's a freeway song. Yeah, that's a freeway song. Yeah. But it's just as he's every, like I've seen a bunch of videos of people being like them playing it at the Sixers games. And like a bunch of people really going every verse feels, and if you don't know, I'm a bunch of doing this in meek Mill, also famous for screaming constantly screaming. He'd be going through it. Yeah. The, the, the philly of the man is, is often big bearded. A lot of facial hair. Yeah. They're moisturizing and oiling their face. Sure. They're feeling, they're feeling feelings. Sure. You know, there's a lot of hotel area. I feel like I can feel it. Don't be a doctor. Shout out to Dr. Umar. We got the roots. We got Jill Scout. We got like, you know, very introspective dope hip-hop neo-so artist. So the rappers are like, I'm not just going to spit. I'm going to cry. Yeah. I feel, I feel so gully that I have to cry about it. And that's also why freeway asked for $2,000 on that song because that's the cry. You're, I need $2,000 for the shit I've been through to even talk to you on the phone. You're going to pay me to a grand. Just have a conversation. I won't minute. I won't do it because I've been, because I've been through a lot. F R 2 E spelled my name right. Yeah. Yeah, he'd be going through it. So it's really, it's just a, it's a reflection of, yeah. It's a reflection of the city. Because I know you've been in New York, right? You know when it gets really cold, you outside like waiting for the train. Yeah. You know how that cold like really cuts you in a way where you're like, dang, I just wish I was home. Well, fortunately when you waiting for the train to, you're like, here, you're underground. Sometimes. Well, I guess, yeah, I guess depending on the train that's always been by where I live is always, it's an underground joint. But yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, I do want to get your address. But, but you know, in Philly, you'd be like, waiting for the bus. Yeah. And the cold is different. It's, it's a different type of, but you'd be like, you'd be like, done a bike, care about me. And that may not even be true. But that's what comes through. But that's how Philly gets when it's, when you cold and you hungry and it's a city that's on a very specific grid. It just, it's, it's, it makes you want to cry rap. I hear that. And now it's going to, that's going to help me listen to meek mill in a different type of way. Thank you so much. Can I tell you some about meek? I'm scared. I feel, I feel like, I feel like he is somebody who, I feel like he's like a, he's like a savant where it's like, I feel like he is somebody who was like born to rap. Like that is like what he is like put on this earth to do. He's kind of like a, he, he feels like when I, when I hear him rap, I'm just like, oh, you are so gifted at this. And you've put a ton of time into it where I'm just like, oh, you really, he really can't be so poetic and like put words together in a way that I'm like, oh, you are, you're very talented at this. Yeah, but then I will like read one of his tweets and I'm like, this is one of the dumbest niggas I've ever seen him. I like this is somebody who it's like America left behind. This is a child that got left behind in like a really serious way. And so that's what I mean by the savantness of him. I'm like, in this one way, you're so intelligent. Yeah. It's really difficult sometimes just like news from Philly. You're like, that's the dumbest crime I ever had. That's the silliest news story I've heard. But it is the Philly way. You know, it's, it's this mixture of kind of like fancy old English era, because you know, Philly has a lot of history. It's like, you know, it's one of the first like real cities, right? And so the accent even has some of that. Yeah. But then it also has like the gully just like North city, you know, obviously the city of brotherly love. And that mixture is, I mean, it's, it's very unique. Yeah. And I can talk a lot of she a lot of shit about Meek Mill. But every once in a while, I'll be like, that is a bomb. You know, the virus. Of course. No, of course. I wish, I wish he wouldn't tweet. That's the thing is like, if he just, if he stayed, if he just, if he left it to the music, let's say those feelings for the next soundtrack. My, my favorite Meek Mill tweet was the one where he was like, he was like, some do coke. I don't. Some gay. I'm not. Hold on. Let me, let me find it. That's why freeways spelled his name because he wanted to make sure. It's what are you going to search? Meek Mill, sweet. I not gay. What are you going to search? Also that, that, that video where Ditty is calling him daddy. And he's like hanging out the pool. And like, look, I, I could, I could subscribe to the notion that nothing happened. I could subscribe to that. If Meek Mill wanted me to believe that, but the fact that he let that happen is enough. That's enough for me. This is, this isn't the tweet I was looking for, but this is a tweet that happened like in the, in the wake of all this Ditty stuff. Yeah. He tweeted, uh, when I got a girl around me, I'm fucking her twice a day, L.O.L. Ask some of your favorites. Pussy don't control me, but it's like a high. One love to the gay people, but that juicy pussy do it for me. I don't ran red lights to get that feeling. Y'all weird on here like Devils, L.O.L. I mean, that's poetry. Print that out. Hang that up. Hang that up in the studio. I really, one love to the gay people with the juicy pussy do it for me. How many years? It looks like about five or six. Wow. And then a little smiley face after that's a poet at work. He's, he's thinking in a special way. He's thinking in a special way for sure. Yeah, it's so unfortunate that I love it. Like you're silly. Oh wait. Oh, no, no, I found it. I found it. I think Simon on his face. I found it. Okay. I found it. He goes, uh, y'all I'll choose to watch rap battles in gossip, dot, dot, dot. I watch Gaza, Israel, dot, dot, dot. Haiti being torn apart, dot, dot, dot, dot. I watch the state of people really poor in real life. Some think I'm different. I think they are clueless to real life. But hey, who am I? Y'all do Coke. I don't. Some gay. I am not. The night is on a separate line. I need you to look at it. Oh, well, that's I am big pandemic. Sure he's doing that's just it's a pile works with poets. I didn't anticipate the Israel Gaza conversation. Right. Prior to the I not gay conversation. So I'm impressed that those to get those ideas together. It's a lot. Yeah, but I also think that's like the I don't know other people might agree, but the Philly energy is very much like, y'all not on that shit I'm on. Y'all couldn't you couldn't understand what I got going on. Y'all be watching this, but I'll be watching that I'm different. But I almost feel like most men from inner cities say the same thing. I think that's kind of I think it's I think white people in general like to be like y'all not doing y'all don't got this y'all don't got y'all look it. It's deep in us. Look at the look at the socks I got on y'all y'all ain't ever seen those socks like that. I'm like y'all, but but better. But I'm different. That's our favorite thing. I'm around y'all, but I'm actually I'm actually out of there. I have to come down here to hang out with y'all. But I be up here. Yes. And that's so and y'all couldn't you know what I'm saying? We talking. Yeah. But you not understand. And you'll never you know what I'm saying? You'll never get because you couldn't because you you and I'm me and I was born this way. Yeah. And you were born over there and that's a shame but all I could do is pray for you. Yeah. Yeah. I hope you know what I'm saying. Hopefully God hopefully God going to get you right probably not. Yeah. I got to leave y'all. Yeah. Shout out to me. Shout out to me. Shout out to me. Shout out to me. Nobody. Nobody doing it like him. And stop calling him meek mills. Which you can call him meek mill. And stop calling Joe button Joe buttons. Because you're giving these niggas a complex. Oh, I actually didn't realize people was calling Joe buttons. Oh, they are. I as if there's multiple. Hmm. I'm glad that there's not. Thank goodness. I'll say that. We saw this guy and he was wearing like this. One of those big ass like Ferrell hats. Member of those like wide-brinned like park ranger hats. And went up like this. Yeah. Somebody's wearing a hat like that. And it was red. And it stood out so crazy. We were looking. We were like, you know, when you're on stage like the light is like kind of bright. And you can't always see people in the bed. Yeah. And then like, I couldn't tell. And then I walked over and I was like, that's fucking Joe button. It sounds like a love in hip-hop ass. I hope it. Uh, basically. And I was like, what the fuck is Joe button doing? He didn't talk to none of us. Yeah. And then he posted up like watch the show and then he left. Yeah. He does like comedy. Sure. I heard him. I heard him tell a story about going to what he like went to go see, I think, Chipel. And he was like, all the openers were funny. He was like, except for Aziz. Fuck. Damn. And I was like, that's such a funny person to like be like, I really wasn't fucking with him. Joe button critique is not something I want. No. I just would rather he not know that I'm a person. Yeah, it's like you don't want to be involved in any conversation. No, no, no. Wait, you know, you were actually there. I'm pretty sure you were there for one of the biggest bombs I've ever had. I would remember that, I think. You might not, you might have been in the green room while this happened. But this was like 2019. So I'm like, new-ish to the city at this point. And it was at like, it was a weed show. It was a weed show at like a speakeasy, like a weed speakeasy in like Midtown. It was like some kind of weed club. The windows are like tinted and you can't see the daylight. Yes. Okay, yes, I remember a lot of people on there. And it was, I've told the story in other places, but it really was like. I remember they had, they had like a joint role in our blunt rolling competition like before. The show started. You, you might have been, were you hosting it? I don't know. But you, I know you were there. Yeah, for sure. And I remember the blunt rolling competition happened. And then right after that, whoever was hosting was like, alright, next up we got. Devon. Y'all give it up for Devon. And I go up, weed shows are always just tough and bad, just kind of in general. That's great audiences. Which is, if you had, many comics will say some of the worst shows they had was at a weed show. Which is like, people, people think it would go the other way, but they're terrible shows. And I remember being like, man, like, this shit is going pretty rough. I need to just pull out, I need to pull out the best joints I got. So whatever the best joints I had like seven years ago, I was like, you know, like the ones like, I'm pulling back from like my earliest open, like whatever the shit that I'm like, this, this stuff always works. And it's not just a weed crowd, it's a black weed crowd. Yes. And they really don't give a fuck. No. And they really do not, they don't feel like, they don't, they don't feel any need to like laugh to like make you feel supported. You either, it's either you got them, you get them or you don't. They want you to give up. They kind of, we want you to doubt yourself until you convince us. I saw like, I saw like a old interview with like Eddie Murphy where he was talking about like, yeah, like he's like black rooms like they almost like don't want you to win. They almost are looking be like, yeah, about to be funny. I'm probably funny here to him. Like I know some, but you know, Willie, Willie at my job. You know my uncle. He's funny. Yeah. This guy, you know how funny, which are like, they're almost coming in being like, we'll see. If I like that about black people that we have a high standard of entertainment, I appreciate that about us until I'm bombing. And then I'm like, yo, look at that. You know, this is why we can't have nothing. You don't want to listen to the women. I like, I don't know if you feel this way, but it's like I feel killing in front of a black crowd makes me feel so like way like so much better than killing in front of a white crowd and bombing in front of a black crowd makes me feel so much worse. Black silence is loud as hell. It hurts my feelings in like a really like a really bad way. It's a set like I was, let's say I was doing eight minutes. I was like six minutes in and it's going, it's going really bad. Like nothing, nothing's working at all. And a woman shouts out from the crowd. She goes, baby, how much time you got left? Oh gosh. And in a normal situation, I would shut that down and be like, yo, don't forget, you don't get to yell during my set. But in this instance, I was so defeated. I was like, you right, I should probably let me go and wrap it. But I think I tried one more thing. It didn't work. I did one of those ones where it's like I didn't even say buy to nobody. My bag was in the green room. I straight, I picked up my bag without saying buy to anyone, which I apologize and hindsight. I'm such a, I grabbed it. I'm going to flip this table. Like I've actually been waiting. That's actually why I came here. Can't believe it to 47 minutes for him to bring this shit up. I grabbed my bag, went straight into the elevator. I'm in the elevator in a dude who like also, I guess just randomly was leaving at the same time. He taps me on the shoulder, he goes, hey, man, you going to figure it out? No. That's the worst. Yeah, and I was like, man, I've actually been doing fine. I was like, most of my shows go pretty good, actually. You just call me, you just call me at a bad time, but yeah, I just went. Yeah, we chose, that's what they're designed for to make you question everything you've ever thought about yourself. To break you and see if it's true. Yeah, and that night it was, but you know, that's the beautiful thing about stand up is it'll never let you get too high or too low. Because the next good set or bad set is right around the corner. I also personally, when I bomb, I sit in it. I go sit in the green room. I talk to everybody. I wait till the crowd is done. Yeah. And I watch them not want to talk to me. Or just, you know, oh, you were funny, you know, and then I get home and I'm like, I'm so strong. Yeah. I'm so strong, get away, destroy me. That's like the comedy equivalent of like doing like a ice bath. Exactly. You're just like, yeah, like I'm, yeah, this hurts temporarily, but it's going to go away. Yeah, yeah, it didn't like me this time. But I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna come back on the other side of this. Yeah. Follow them home, you know, see if they entertain you. I'm gonna get you. Chanel, before we get out of here, you are listening to a voicemail. Hell yeah. Let's do it. Hello, I am calling to maybe restart some J-Lo discourse. Interesting. I feel like we talked about that as like a society for a little bit and then it went away. And I'm glad that it feels like a shanty kind of like got what she deserved. I'm here to kind of make the claim that a shanty is, was in fact J-Lo's ghost writers, flash ghost singer. Even though J-Lo, like, has tried to deny it as many times as she possibly could. She would. My proof is in the song in the Unreal Remix featuring Jarul at like the bridge, perhaps of the song. Allegedly, if J-Lo is singing the song, she says then we're twice. Now, that would be an issue. That's a problem. That's questionable behavior from J-Lo. However, what if it wasn't J-Lo saying it? What if perhaps it was another well-known singer? Really great singer actually, a better singer, some would say. Yeah. Me, I'm saying that. A shanty. That's singing that. Then that would make sense. That would make sense why she would say that. But no, allegedly, it's J-Lo and it's on the record of J-Lo saying the end word. And I just wanted to wake that up. That's all. That was a good ass voice mail. This is fascinating. Call her you. You didn't tell us your name, but it says you're from Cleveland, shout out to you. Comment and let us know who you are whenever this comes out. - I'm calling you baby girl. - Yeah, baby girl. You're gonna be baby girl until further notice until you reveal yourself. This is interesting. I'll let you go first. Do you have any thoughts? - No, I agree and I heard that. First of all, I'm real remix is so dope. It's such a good song that it doesn't make sense that Jaila would be on it. It doesn't make sense that her verse would be so catchy and so smooth. - She was doing that though. Jaila was on a little run during this period of time. - I agree. - It's the early 2000s. This is when she was having her job. - But it was a remix for a reason, right? 'Cause the first I'm real was slightly popping off. It was nowhere near the I'm real remix, but then job rule. Now we're playing basketball in the music video. You know, things just got a little more, you know, a little more New York City, even though she is from uptown. - Okay, Ashanti, according to Wikipedia, Ashanti recorded the demo version of the remix and provided background vocals for the final version. So it does seem as though, it does seem as though this was written by Ashanti. - I'm sure Jaila heard the reference track. - Yes. - I was like, "Ashanti said two niggas." Well, I gotta say at least two niggas read. - Right, but it's, I actually, I don't remember this 'cause this is kind of like. - You don't remember the era when Jaila Rool and Murder Inc and Irv Gotti were basically controlling everything Ashanti did? - I do, well, I guess I didn't know about what was happening on the business end of things. I knew she was on, she was singing the hooks on all of their songs. - It took some time for Ashanti to get her own career. She was writing and-- - And she was behind a lot of roles. - Yeah. - I mean, she was-- - They were keeping her, you know, under wraps for a while. - They knew they had a good, they had a good thing going and they was like, "We gotta lock this down." Ashanti also was on a run during this. Oh yeah, she had, you know, shout out always on time. What's love? She was foolish. - Oh yeah. - She was on one. - She was almost killer. - Oh, happy. I forgot. I'm saying. - Classic. - Happy. - Man, man. Ashanti. - That's it. - Shout out to Ashanti. Yeah, I did not know that they had Jaila saying the inward on multiple occasions. I will say though, did Fat Joe used to say it? I don't know, but I do remember a big pun was saying it. And remember, she was also in the video for a big pun after he died. She did that one for him and I was just trying to remember. I was like, did she mouth nigga? - Probably. - 'Cause she was rapping his lyrics. - You know, and I, it's all, this is, I'm a, people aren't gonna like that I say this, but I will say like, when I was growing up, there was certain non-black people that could say it, but it was really, it was vibe dependent. - Yeah. - I don't know if y'all had, but it was like, certain Mexicans could like get away with it. - And I personally have never caught that vibe. I just haven't, it hasn't found me. - You've never seen that type of, you've never seen that type of vibe. - I do, I do agree that it probably exists. I just haven't been around that type of non-black person where I was like, yeah, I'm okay when you do it. - Big pun feels like he could, I mean, big pun, nobody's seen mad about big pun at this time. - I'm not arguing with big pun. - You feel me? - About anything. - We're not gonna have any discussions. - Just, just, just. - You can say whatever you want to say. - And that's what I'm saying. I feel like for that type of person, I feel like you could, Jennifer, it's not her. - No. - I know it's hot or whatever type of like non-black past that might exist in certain situations. I would say, JLo doesn't, doesn't have it. So JLo, if you're listening, we know that you are. - Yeah. - No more, you gotta cut that out. - And if you go back and really listen, she says it like, she's not supposed to be saying it. - Interesting. Now I want to. - She'd be like, I told them, niggas. (laughing) - My name is business. - She said it like I said, I like to go in. Where you could tell, it was like, oh man, there's a leader. I ran up to the edge of the diving board and I did not jump right in. It took, I paused for a second before I jumped. - She was in the studio, she was like, okay, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. - So here you go. - It's coming, it's coming, niggas. (laughing) And that's what it sounded like. - I guess Will is in this off mic, but Chanel, thank you so much for being here. - Thank you for having me. - I appreciate you pulling up. Do you have anything you'd like to plug for the people? - Yo, you can go to Chanelali.com to see what I'm gonna be performing. Follow me on Instagram at Chanelali. That's Chanel, like the perfume. Ali, like Mohammed. - There you go. Chanelali, thank you for pulling up. Bye y'all. - My favorite lyrics is a production by disco nap. If you guys like what you hear, leave a review and tell a homie about the show. 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