‘High Fidelity’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Joanna Robinson, and Rob Mahoney

- The rewatch votes is brought to you by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the watch with CR, for sure. You can find the house of our with Joanne Robinson. Rob Mahoney, first time ever. I know. You did it. You're on the Ringer NBA show, you're on the prestige TV podcast, you're on my podcast sometimes and now. Now this one. I asked you for a list. I asked Joanne for a list. Like give me 12 movies that we haven't done yet. Didn't ask me. It's okay. You just sent me back to Carl, you're like, "Scaria, I have other ideas." But there was one movie that was on both lists. I mean, the story is completely aligned for high fidelity. How could it not? CR, you fucking bitch, I'm working out. High fidelity is next. You totally stole that from me. This episode of The Rewatchables is presented by a state farm, whether you're debating watching that award-winning sports drama or rewatching a comfort buddy comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a state farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online at statefarm.com or use the award-winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor, state farm is there. I have a million places I could start here, but let's start with why both of you picked this. Joanne, you go first. Probably because we had just done the big-pick movie drafted and it was on my mind. It was. So I think that's why it was on my list. But also if you work here, this is a formative movie for people who care about things obsessively. What else are we doing here if not this kind of thing? I saw this movie as a teenager and of course you see some of that Rob in this Rob. You see some of that, they're parts of him that you loathe and they're parts of him that you love. And so it's like, how could you not pick a story like this? CR, you actually worked in a record store in the late '90s. Yeah, from '95 to 2003, I was a record store clerk. So this movie comes out in 2000? Also, this system manager is why. I don't want to make it sound like I know. You had some oversight. My career development was taking off. You had keys. You had keys. Yeah. You had keys. Not to Kim's, but for Newberry. Yeah. So this movie comes out, but you had to read the book. I had Nick Hornby, it's set in London, it's like a twin with a fever pitch in that sort of like Peter Pan English mail trying to hang on to the things that he loved as a child. He becomes an adult. Yeah. Was he like your favorite author in the '90s? He was one of my first, you know, he was one of my first contemporary authors that became like a favorite author. That like, yeah. There's a new Hornby novelist. Yeah. You're going to read it. You're so excited. Yeah. I felt very seen by those two books. Were you cool that they were making a movie out of the book? I was just like a traumatizing '90s like, oh, you can't touch that book, you're going to fuck it up. I was upset about Chicago. I was upset. Really? I was nervous about Chicago, but I was a huge gross point blank fan. Yes. So I was excited for John Q's act with music because he had obviously shown an affinity for like populating his movies with really great bands and really great needle drops. I'm surprised for the two of you because you're two of the biggest angle files I know. So moving out of the UK, yes, that's scary. But they make the characters in this obsessed with British music. Yeah. So doesn't that speak to you in some way? Sure. But I loved the book, like, C.R. and I just didn't see it working outside of it. And it totally works. Like, it works really well, but I didn't want it and I was wrong. And I'm surprised. You know, they made a TV show on Hulu, which I actually really, really loved as well. I feel like COVID killed that show. It was right before COVID. It's ridiculous that that got canceled. I really liked it. Yeah. I haven't had a London-based version of the story and I would take it eagerly. That's kind of crazy. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously the version of it that happens on Hulu's, the Hulu show, I think the hardest thing to get over is the idea that there's still like a relatively thriving record store. There are some. There are some that are still doing well and the vinyl is probably having like its most popular run in a long time in the last couple of years. That would be the reentry. Like, the idea of like a record store where like multiple people can work for-- Even in 2000. Yeah. Thousand, definitely. Even in 2000, I was like that apartment. Rob's like, look at my shitty apartment. I'm like, that apartment. That apartment's sick. Yeah. It's great. I have a complicated relationship with this movie because I was probably the exact same age as the guy in the book when it came out. I was obsessive with weird shit like him. My life wasn't going the way I totally wanted to go at that point and I also loved the book. So, it was one of those where I went into it, read it and not like it that much. But it's kind of worn me down over the years. Can I ask you, do you feel like when you read this book, had you started writing it? Oh, yeah. Was it influential? No, because I always thought his style was just so different than mine. Yeah. But, say, I don't feel like he invented anything with that. It was a lot of how we conversed in the 90s. That didn't it. Yeah. It was a lot of, like, you would have these long arguments about shit for like two, three hours. Yeah. And you would argue you would do like list of things or favorite whatever. Like, this is all the stuff that like, we can't breach a report. Yeah. You're just doing in somebody's apartment at one thirty a night. Mostly generating listicles. Yeah. I'm kind of surprised you like this movie because I consider you, the patient saying at the top sevens. Right. What are you even doing? It's like, you have to make a lot of difference. Top eleven Q's extraneous video movie is the twenty-first century. Well, here's what I realized as I was thinking about it. Like, I do think it's the last Gen X movie. I think Gen X kind of dies with this movie in a lot of ways. But then I was trying to think of, this is why I called Closteron today because I was like, this is my list of like the essential Gen X if you're doing a thread from where I'm going to start to high fidelity and it's interesting because QSAC book ends it because his theory was that say anything is the first Gen X movie, which I actually agree with. Okay. Yeah, but the other thing he stands for is Gen X. Yes. He's different than a John. I don't want to sell anything. Yeah. Right. Like, he has that whole speech. He's like, I don't know where my path is. That was basically Gen X. Pump up the volume, I think is a Gen X movie. Slacker is the one that I'm not sure about. I have that as well. I think it's why wouldn't it be? Yeah. Because it's like Chuck was saying it's a little bit more like a, it almost, it's set in the Austin in the 80s. But it is Gen X. Like it's on the cuffs, anyway, singles, reality bites, before sunset, kicking and screaming, chasing Amy in high fidelity. I think are the ones that have to be in there and then Slacker, I'm not sure about. I wouldn't put clerks in there because chasing Amy is definitely the Kevin Smith that you would put on that list. I think so because it's, because otherwise it's five years between kicking and screaming in high fidelity and I need like something just to like take it. But I think the thing that all those movies have in common except Slacker, you have this male protagonist, doesn't know where his life's going. There's either somebody that he used to be in love with and he screwed it up or he was in love with her, but wasn't sure she was quite good enough for him. Or she dumped him and they're just kind of navigating it and you're not even positive you like them. This is probably the least likeable character of all the leads. Sure. And it's about the woman and it's always told through the eyes of the male. There's no female Gen X movie really that I can remember from the 90s. Was there CR off the top of my head, it's hard to think of one, but there was, it's always the dude. Well, a lot of the movies you described are guys talking in room movies and a lot of guys talking in rooms at women like trying to prevail, even Ethan Hawking before Sunrise and Sunset. I would argue. I would argue that we're known a writer is the protagonist to realize that that's fair. That's a good one. Yeah. And singles like Bridget Fonda is a co-protagonist, would you put heathers in this group? Or is that like, I wouldn't, but it's close. I think heathers and say anything to me are a different kind of high school movie than the ones that I had gotten previous to that. So they're different than John Hughes. But what is heathers teaching us about Gen X, I guess is the question. So when you, you're younger than Gen X, CR was right at the tail end and I was like head first in the middle of it. So when you, when you both look at Gen X, what do you see? I'm a cusser. I like to blame Gen X. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously the jadedness I think is part of it. Yeah. And clearly just like the, the such a strong pushback against any kind of like sell out culture or enfranchisement in any way, like there's such an independent spirit. And with that, I think just comes like a cold hard, honestly bitter shell to a lot of these movies and stories. Yeah. And you can see that with Rob through and through, right? Like he is closing himself off from the world in this book in this movie and just like, you know, fiddling through his record collection as a way to keep warm at night. But I think that's kind of what sticks out between the most about these Gen X stories. It's funny that you went through these like Gen X side posts because I was thinking about this. I think this is a great retail movie. Yeah. Like a hang at the store movie. Yeah. Yeah. And you've got clerks 94 empire records 95. You've got male, which I was a bookstore clerks. That's what I would count. Yeah. I think that counts. You know, and then you've got this 2000. It was like a nice little run for like, I'd even throw mall rats in there sort of, yeah. At least that, yeah, heading to the mall and working, but yeah, yeah, exactly. So like hanging out in your retail job is, you know, I think this is all comes from clerks. But that's my favorite part of this movie. Like Rob and Laura is interesting to me, but the guys in the store, the book store and slacker kind of works for this as well as like a retail hangout place. One other thing with Gen X that this movie hits perfectly is you're kind of stuck with the people you're stuck with, wherever you live. (all laughing) - You weren't exactly, you're not on the OKC Thunder this year. You're not winning 75 games. You're kind of on a play-in team, but you have all this content you want to talk about. And it's like, well, these are the people, I guess I have to talk to about this. - These two guys showed up to work together last night. - Yeah, don't stop, name me. (laughing) - But he's with these two guys that I'm not even sure he really likes, and they're not that likable, but they're all just kind of together every day, doing top five, and he's just like, almost like a stand-up doing a play. - Yeah, but that's a joy of the retail job, especially based around, I would say, music, or books, or something like that, where it's just sort of like, you have this base thing in common, where you love books, or you love music, or you love people who worked at a movie theater, you love movies, and even if you like different genres, there is this sort of, you wind up becoming friends with a weird group of people, where you have this core thing in common, but otherwise your paths would never cross. - So you're saying what you like is more important than what you are like? - I actually agree with that. - It's kind of true, right? - And I found myself sick to my stomach, but I was like, I know we're not supposed to agree with this, but I think we're going to be like, the dark fin stock award is like, it doesn't matter. - I agree with Joe. I mean, like I remember the names of almost everybody I worked with at a record store, but like forget names of people that I met last year. You know, like, and there, it's also like, it's a very important time in your life when you're kind of in college, coming out of college, or if you're just like entering the workforce, the retail jobs that I had and the record store job specifically that I had, I was like, you know what, if nothing ever else happens to me, I'd be good. Like, I kind of would still work at a record store if I could. - I get nostalgic for it. I'm like, can I do that on the weekends? Can I go into the bookstore on the weekends? - It'll actually stimulating while being physically mechanical. So like, you just don't have to do that much. You just bullshit with people all day about stuff you're interested in. And then like, the things that you're quote, unquote, responsible for are like alphabetizing and moving things. - That actually does sound pretty good. - Sheldon, a lot of shelving. And then you close the store door at the end of the day and then you're done with work. - Yes. - And lots of cigarette breaks. - Yeah, I remember my buddy Gus from high school, we used to play this game called the Name Game. We used to say Joanne Robinson, and then I had to say, the next name I had to have Joanne or Robinson in it, and we would just keep going until you could try to stump the next person. We did a Robinson conno and then Frank Robinson. We did a son of a rope. We would be driving somewhere for a three hour trip game. - Just, we didn't have podcast to listen to. It's like, let's play the Name Game. And you'd eventually get to some crazy name, like Trajan Langdon and it's like, fuck. I've nowhere to go. I don't know another train. But that's the kind of shit you did in the '90s. You're just killing time with content. And you never, you know, you'd hear somebody's theory or take on some movie or a music album or something of like, that's fucking amazing. - Oh yeah. - I can find out in the internet anywhere. - There was no comment section. So people would be like, I'm going down in flames with this take and I'm right. The only comment section is the bar. So I don't have to worry about this following me around for years if I want to say this band is better than pavement or this band is a better movie than Apocalypse Now or whatever. - Yeah, yeah. - You could just have one glorious night and they'd be like, oh, I had four beers. That's why I thought that. But like now, if you're like, high fidelity is better than the Nashville tonight today. People will freaking like, at you for a while and like, you'll be like, well, that was miserable. - Yeah, drunk takes were huge. - Back in the day. - I think drunk takes still exist. They're just, you know, experience and documenting different things. - Yeah. - Yeah, I love your point about the people you're stuck with though. Like that is one thing that this movie gets really right is the Barry and Dick and Rob Trio is like, they spend more time together than anybody else in their lives. But like Rob is just like, they just started appearing here. - Right, who's supposed to be three days away. He says that, but he goes out every night with them. - Of course. - Yeah. - You go out every night with your co-workers from the rest from the store - Yeah. - Because that would be the people who are getting off work at 9.30 or 10. And you'd be like, okay, let's go see a band. Let's go to the bar. - But then Dick moves to like, I don't know, Austin with Anna and would never talk to these guys ever. - Oh my god, yeah, they would never connect ever. - I moved a lot in my, I worked in bookstore all through my 20s and I moved a lot in my 20s and every time I went to a new town, I worked in a new bookstore and then you just have built-in community. - Yeah. - It's so easy to move to a new town when you have that sort of like retail fam. - Were you like the Patrick Swayze of Roadhouse of bookstores? - He's the cooler. - The cooler of the bookstores, yeah. - Hey, yeah. - Joe Robinson's in town. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He came to me down, man. - Who was there sayabella? - The Gen X Blueprint I wrote down. I met him in a couple of things. Turning pop culture into therapy. - Yeah. - Reading way, way, way too much into music or movies. - Carrying way too much about a relationship because you didn't have enough else to care about. That was a hundred percent true. We're just missing like three things. Hanging out with people you didn't like that much, we talked about that. Being tortured that you're not doing what you thought you'd be doing, I think probably is still the case. - To take care of those truths, yeah. - But then the Gen X was like a badge of honor that I don't wanna do this. I don't know how I got into this. Like, almost like proud, but not willing to change it. - But there's something virtuous about working retailers and that's where you're just like, I'm not making a ton of money. I'm doing this for the passion. That's why Z, I feel like millennials when they complain about not being where they want to be. It's like, because the economy screwed me. And with Gen X, it's like, because I have principles. - Because I don't want to sell that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wouldn't it be nice to have principles, you know? - But think about Rob, he was a good DJ. - He probably made money from it. Like, he was getting complimented. And he was the happiest he'd ever been and he did it. - Yeah. - But now he's like in this record store that nobody goes to. And that's just what you decide. - But that was also like a very, I don't know if this happened with you in the bookstore, but like the moment you get any recognition from within the sort of business side of working in a store, you're like, well, wait a second, this is my life plan. - Yeah, yeah. - I was also a manager and I'm like, I don't want to see you. - You should think about it. - I don't think so. - I'm like, whoa. - Yeah. - Two more blueprint things. Settling with someone's solid when you're not sure if you can do better, which is even in like beautiful girls who's dating. - Oh, especially. - They're doing the ratings. And it's like, what are you seeing? And he's like, she's solid, seven and a half. And they're like, seven and a half. And like, yep, solid, seven and a half. And he can't decide if that's good enough. That was a big Gen X culture thing. And then you're the same person used to be and I'm not, which Laura says to him. - Yes. - Was a classic Gen X thing of somebody is like, I'm 32 and I'm doing the exact same things I was doing when I was 27. What happened? - Five years just went by. - And this is like, if you were gonna continue the sort of jumping with Lillipads from this movie onwards, the man trapped in a boy's mind thing is essentially the template for like the early Appetite movies, like for Knocked Up. And like, I just wanna hang out with my friends and just play D&D and watch and watch movies. And it's like, yeah, but grow up, right? Like, you're almost 30 kind of. - When you, to go back to the settling for someone in this movie in High Fidelity, who's settling, do you think? - Well, I think it's Laura. - It's both. I think it's both sides in that one. - It's definitely easier. And she says, like, I'm too tired not to be with you. There's something kind of romantic about that. I don't know, there's something about the comforts of finding your 7.5 out of 10 person. - This is the big, weird curveball that this movie throws is that there is not a gesture in this movie the way there is in singles, where he's like, I wanna be Mr. New to you, you know? Like, there is none of that here. It's basically like, have sex with me after my dad's funeral. And I guess we're back together. - I guess the gesture is I didn't, or I made the tape for the reporter, but it didn't mean to me. - But I told you about it. - I told you about it. - I just closed it. - Even though I was proposing, I was pretty sure you wouldn't say yes. - Was it in the gesture, have sex with me, or I'm gonna go home and put my hand in a fire? Or you can put some cigarettes out on me? - Yeah. - Those are my three options. - Yeah, sex it is, yeah. - This is not a romantic movie in the traditional way. - Yeah, no, no boom boxes in the range, just pay phones and piles of quarters. - Yeah, I was gonna do this some day, and answer most later, but these two did not actually get married. - No chance. - This is a wrap. Craig, can you give us your gen X thoughts? - About the generation? - Yeah. - Yeah, when you see gen X represented in movies and TV, what do you see? - Well, I don't want to spoil my, 'cause that factors into my entire opinion. - I'd save it. - Okay, okay. I intentionally didn't learn how to pronounce Laura's real life name, because I knew I had Joanne here, and nobody pronounces names of actresses and actors better than Joanna. - Great, I'm gonna, picture me last night in my hotel room, warn her around just muttering this over and over again, to see if I can, I came up with Ibn Yala. That's what I got, is that what you got? - I heard Yala, I heard something like Yala. Like, it just depends on the, you know. - Ibn Yala. - How much Danish spice you wanna put on that? Last pronunciation? - What do you have, Sierra? - Yala, but like that was just one version of the internet's response to how to pronounce this one. - Well, for the rest of the powder, we'll be calling her the lady who played Laura. - I think Ibn is doable. - Even if it weren't that one. - Well, she said, - It's a Scandinavian podcast, and you should be very careful about this. - Yeah, I don't want it to switch to come after me. - She said, she said, I knew tons of guys like Rob, where it was ages before they understood that relationships and committing and having kids is a good thing, and it doesn't mean they have to lose yourself for who you are or what you like to do. And then she said, Rob is sort of character, I would fall for it to me. He symbolizes the whole generation of what matters is not what you're like, for what you like. So that was interesting. I'm gonna put it. The things you like, but my question is, is that now, too? The things you like are what you like, are what you like. What's the difference between podcasters and these guys in the record store actually? It's a great question. I don't know. I mean, we're here because. I'm not happy about it, right? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about it. Yeah. Yeah. And there's the with the Gen Xers. This is a whole different era of hopeless Romanex and courting and staining outside somebody in the pouring rain. I don't know if this happens in the same way anymore now, so we just call the police or take a cell phone video. Or you just be on hinge, being like, yeah, I'm on, yeah, I'm on, yeah. My next question, did this book/movie create the top five list, like for real? Because I'm going to say no, but I also can't think of what did. This is a tree Apex mountain for top fives. Maybe, yeah. Like Casey Kason. That's. Did Casey Kason. Yeah. No, that's the count down. Maybe. Yeah. It's count down. It might have been it. Yeah. When does PTI start? Later. After this. I know they weren't doing top fives, but they were doing that like the idea of a count down and the idea of like a sort of menu for the for the day. We would do more are doing one thing against another thing. Yeah. Versus list. Yeah. Versus list. Like we were doing a lot of lists. We were doing what's the best. The best. Like you do like, I don't know. Best Harrison Ford movie or you do Barry Sanders versus Emmett Smith. Yes. Right. A lot of that. It was a lot of 1v1, not list. There was. And there was also like a, I think this movie or this book kind of introduced the idea to me at least of or like, I don't remember a time before it of top five track one side one, like very specific lists and then also adding like sub lists into the list or giving excuses for it. I would say that was really influential, at least for me, like thinking about like writing calms and being like, how far is too far and be like the answer is like, especially when I was doing like the first year, the mailbag or something like, every questions on board. No answer can be detailed enough and fuck it. Let's go for it. See, is that book as like the lists are crazy in the book? Yeah. In a good way. The only reason I think this is not the outset of the top five is that Barry in particular has all these like second and third wave opinions about list making. Yeah. It's like, oh, you can't do the four safe ones in the one modern classic or also, and I call you a pussy. So it's like, it's been happening somewhat for a while at this point, right? Yeah. It's been iterating. There's a couple of like big bangs. There's like Tarantino in sleep with me doing the top gun speech. Like, so glad you brought this up is like where I first saw the guy in the bar who's like, I have a fucking take that's going to blow your mind. And it was like to see that on screen and to know that there were satellite dudes like that in every town. Well, this is what the Kevin Smith Uber is do is like just an assemblage of those hot things and kicking and kicking and screaming to and there was a top eight, whatever movies when they did. It's like dang. Yes, dang, which was before this movie. But yes, anytime I would see that in movie, I'd be like, oh, like the Tarantino thing is the ultimate example. That was so great and so random in that movie. And it was like I became the most memorable part of the movie. But to see somebody do that in a movie, it was like, that's what me and my friends do. We do weird shit. Like there's more of us like it was constantly trying to discover that there was more out there than just this little weird group you had. Yeah. There's also it turns out it was everybody funny thing because I think that this is actually similar to what goes on now because we have so much access to streaming stuff. But back then from the 90s to the 2000s, like in 95, especially on, I remember this huge flood of like used stuff, like you could basically build up a record collection for like a couple of dollars per L.P.A. and you could start being like, I listen to Funkadelic and I listen to industrial music and I listen to public enemy and I listen to the Beatles. And it wasn't that expensive to have that kind of breadth of taste, which is why Barry so interesting because he's got like hipster taste in some ways, but he's also like I listen to Katrina and the waves and Rob, obviously like the kind of variance of people's tastes was really interesting for those kinds of arguments and those kinds of lists. I thought of a better top 10 top five thing, it was a letterman, the top 10 list, of course, that started like 85 and that was my show. He first he did it ironically, he was making the stupidest list possible and then they became one of the staples of the show and became a serious thing. And that's, he's like the Gen X Sherpa, but I wonder like with Nick Hornby like did, did you know, even know about, like, I'm sure you knew about that, right? Rob, can I ask you, is this Rob the top pop culture, Rob? The top Rob. Because I couldn't like, I mean Rob Rob, Rob Roy is like, Rob, Rob Lowe's pretty big. No, but that's like, fictional Rob's, fictional Rob's, fictional Rob's, fictional Rob's. Yeah. There aren't that many. I was looking. They're fictional Rob's. I can't honestly tell. Rob Roy was the only other one I could think of. Rob started his two B's doesn't count. You were in your hotel room, be like, fictional Rob's and how to pronounce it. I have a normal existence here, sorry about that. How do you add the second B with Rob? Did we ever figure that out? Where's the second B come from? It doesn't make any sense. This is George R. Barton's way. He likes to add consonants. Yeah. Now is anyone else to the double Rob? Do you think the second B? Does he? Like, who else does double Rob? Double B anybody? Well, there's the Rob report, but that's, that's not Rob's, like that's the, yeah. The end with two ends was always at least understandable because it was Jennifer, but it was always suspicious because Jen should have one end. Yeah. So anytime someone added the second end, they were usually on the real world or show like that. Like, oh, Jen with two ends. When you were bartending, it was like, don't give Jen with two ends any extra shots. Jen with two ends, like, oh, she's here today. The cast of this movie that includes QSAC who I can't wait to talk about. Black, Black. Todd the Wiso? Yeah. I never knew his name until the research of this movie. I just knew him as the manie and the guy from this movie, Manie and Dick. I didn't know he had a name in real life, but he also directed Love Liza, which I found out. Yeah. It's like directed multiple movies. Couldn't believe it. He's so good in this too. Like, I know Jack Black has all the shine, but like, having the like, yeah, Nebysh guy off to the side is like so anxious he can barely contain himself as he's getting the talk to him about, talk to him about, yeah, talk about the, you need him to make like, Barry work. Yeah. They have a beautiful thing going on. It's a good combo. Catherine Zeta Jones, Lisa Bonet, Sarah Gilbert, Chris Bowers in this movie. Cut from the movie. Oh. He was cut. I know. He's on IMDB, but he is cut for me. He's briefly in it. Yeah. I thought he was in it for a second. So I think his initial scene got cut and then you see like a two-second dinner party sequence after they get back together where he's like bringing a plate to a table or something. Oh, right. The box is here. Great. Thanks, the box. A barely made cut. Okay. Lily Taylor, John Cusack, Tim Robbins, and one of my all-time favorites, Natasha Crikson Wagner. He's Dunker. Where'd he go? A primonepo baby. Good. Like, one of the best. She's tied some moments, never sure why they didn't fully come together, but I was very, one of the screeners for a while. Yeah. Great job by her. Okay. So we'll talk about Jack Black here. This is a really important Jack Black performance. He stills the movie. This is the Jack Black. Like, this is to me. This leads to School of Rock, everything else. Is this the best Jack Black performance? I think so. He said this is his best performance. School of Rock is carrying more, though. You know, he gets to come in and be heat-checking constantly in this. School of Rock, he has to be the emotional center of the movie and the Jack Black of the movie. And this, this, like, version of Jack Black coming off the bench and just shooting three's or do you want Jack Black and the Jalen Brown, Celtic's role right now? I kind of want him in the Jalen Brown role. Really? I mean, only in a specific kind of movie. I prefer this version of him. Sixth, and Jack Black, but the streets have spoken and like, he is one of the most reliable movie stars. I think he's the number one movie star of Gen Alpha, wouldn't you say? Probably. Yeah. Well, especially for this last movie. Yeah. Minecraft, Mario Brothers, Jumanji, like all these things that are directed for kids, Goose Bumps, like, he's the king of the kid franchise. Yeah. And I think for generations of people, Jack Black is the biggest movie star in the world. Super Mario Brothers. Like, I guess there really is a straight line, not just to School of Rock, but to like, Bowser, singing, ballads. Like, it's very strange world, we live. I went to a pre-Luca Lakers game last year and he got a bigger round of applause, court side than anybody else, like, on the floor. And I think like, Wendy was playing like this. I mean, he's easily the biggest, like, thing to come out of this movie without question. Yeah. And then thank you. Well, I didn't know who he was before I saw this movie. I don't know. Like, he came out like a fucking cannon. Yeah. You're like, what? Today's just, he was already-- Today's just, he was already on HBO, but like, I, this, this was like his calling card. Like, this was-- Which was show, is he on? There was a tonight's show. Yeah, so he's just D show with his page. That's sad. I don't understand. Do you remember him in the day of the Jackal remake with Bruce Williams? I do. So what your gear, where he gets his arms blown off? I would. He's also an airborne. Yes. A very important way to be an airborne. You know, if you were ever going to let me pick every watchable, it wouldn't be -Cocario. It would be Jackal. Yeah. It would be Jackal. Yeah. I saw Tenacious D at some point after we moved that hair when it was the right time to see them. And it was, like, really amazing. He's just such a great stage performing and captures it, but I still think his best scenes the first scene. It's one of their great characters. But he comes in and he's doing the stuff with his hands, and I-- there's just nobody like that. I also just think there's, like, sold to Barry, like his ambitions, his disappointment that Rob is going to do. to back like the teenagers instead of him and all of this and like that like I just think I think you know Jack Black is talked about how he was so nervous to make this movie and so I think he's just a little bit more restrained and I like off the least Jack Black but I like just like a little bit of restraint I'm not sure I can go to 11 in every single moment I like that balance inside of this movie. How about Zeta Jones? Where's this rank for her? Because for me it's like what's that? I wish she had done more movies like this. Just come in and I wish she had just played more, quote unquote, "normal" people where you know obviously she just gets cast in a lot of like really big blockbusters and pretty like comic, not comic book roles but like really out their roles and this is just like Charlie this is like a lady that you would know. She's great and if I can borrow a Dobbinsism it's very important like her and a Pretenders t-shirt is a very important thing. This was a specific type of woman that I'm sure still exists that I always had my number. Which which like the the college version or the terrible headroom number just you're annoying and I don't even want to put the two hours in here but you look great and I'm just glad I'm here but God you're annoying but God you're great and just that kind of battle. Yeah and she so she's not in this movie that much but she's so good in the parts and she's so so like just phony and yeah I just knew people like this but you couldn't stay away from that. I just love that revelation he has because you get a slashback version of her and you're like you you believe Rob that she's the most fascinating person has ever existed and then he meets her now and he's like wow she's the worst she's absolutely the worst person. When she probably was when he was 22 you know. Exactly but we're just seeing the like the horny hay is the great thing for me is that some of these people are still on Instagram now and you can they just don't change. I would think this is the like the real life Charlie's yeah but I mean they're like in their 50s now still make it all like an odd they poured the concrete upon which Instagram they really did they started it there's a Lily Taylor cameo always fun when the cussacks are in a movie together yes and then how mad do you think Piven is that he's not this movie. It's I had an unanswered both like I don't they were their best friends and it's a Chicago movie I don't know what happened and then my Queen Lisa Bonay is in this movie. Incredible casting really really good work on real. Pre-LA lawsuit in day but black yeah it's it's a good description obviously it kind of works post-parts. Shockingly accurate. So distracted. I'm just like I can toss it off. Want to do some Steven Friars. I love to do Steven Friars. He does dangerous liaisons in this movie. You love dangerous liaisons and one of my I know one of my favorite things like doing research for this is how many people everyone lost their shit about working with Steven Friars because of dangerous liaisons. Did you see the grifters right yeah the grifters isn't the thing if you put his best movies on next to each other it's crazy. Where do you read it's like just all over the place. Where do you rank Mary Riley. So I never liked Mary Riley. I didn't like too skinny. I have to say it like that because that's how they said it. Did you like it? No, nobody liked Mary Riley. Do you like doing bonkers Irish accent. What was the other one? The big staple first. Well, the grifters might be it. Phil Andre. Phil Andre. Yeah. Did he do the hit? Not him? No, I think so. But after this, he just veers really into like sort of Miramax, Fuddy, Dutty, British costume drama, period piece. A lot of very British movies. This is like the most American thing you probably ever I always wondered whether I was trying to figure out who Jim Broadbent is supposed to be in Jay Kelly, you know, the British director. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like it has a little fears. Who was also originally attached to this or bogged out of it. He thinks fairs makes it so much. What do you think? I bet. Yeah, it is liaisons is on the 26 free watchable slate. It's gotta be. Watched it just randomly two weeks ago. And I was like, I forgot this movie is amazing. This is like an amazing movie. Anyway, this movie is based on the Nick Horan-Bee book obviously they gave him 500 K. Wow. That's a change back then. Yeah. He is a fan of the movie. It was developed for three years with somebody named Mike Newell, who's a director and beautiful girl Scott Rosenberg. Yeah. Who was the guy who was dating Bridget Moynihan or maybe even married to her before Tom Brady started dating him. It was a Boston guy. And it was always like the all-time conundrum. You're like a giant Pats fan. I'd watch it. But you lose your girl to Tom Brady, your quarterback. It's the great rom-com. No bit of a minute. Yeah. Yeah. QSAC got a hold of it and they moved it from London to Chicago. I can't wait to talk about some of the QSAC oral history performances. Just wait. On the edge of our seats. Just wait. But he said when I read the book I knew where everything was in Chicago. I knew where American Rob went to school and dropped out where he used to spend records. I knew that's the whole thing. He knew. He just felt like it could all switch over and be a transition. He was right. To me this movie actually is like the one of the rare examples of a hipster movie or like kind of cool movie that actually got in under the wire before all this stuff it was talking about was sort of over. Sort of the criticism people love it singles, which is like it feels like there's like a year behind everything. This was like actually a great time in Chicago music. All these venues were like iconic like all my friends who would tour to Chicago. We'll be like we'll play lounge acts or whatever and the bars will get to all the locations. Yeah. It's it's a great Chicago movie. Thirty million dollar budget made forty-seven million dollars. It's fine. Roger Ebert, four stars. Raj. Raj came came in. He threw. He loved this movie. What a shock that Raj liked this movie. He said watching high fidelity. I had the feeling I could walk out of the theater and meet the same people in the street and want to, which is an even higher compliment. Raj was in. The number of people probably Roger Ebert included who read this book or watch this movie and said I am Rob is really fascinating to me. Probably disturbing as well. But like the number of guys were like that is me. That is exactly me and I was like that guy's an asshole. Like an asshole in an arc but an asshole. You're missing the other piece of that. What am I missing? That is the arc. That is the movie. There was that group. Yeah. But there was the other group who was like I'm not Rob. Why do you think I'm Rob? Right. Yes. And the people who are defensive that they weren't Rob. Even though they probably were. Or more Rob than the other guys. I think that's Chuck Closter. Because he literally said like people come out to me like you must love high fidelity. You're just like Rob. He's like I'm not Rob. Yeah. Just about the meanest thing you could say to somebody. Yeah. Especially Chuck. Chuck does want to be pigeonholed by a movie character. But yeah. So those were the two groups. Sure. I remember I left singles. And then the women saying I'm dated Rob. Yes. I left single singles. Yes. I dated him and I'll do it. I left singles at the chest at home all and was with the female friend of mine and we left. And she thought I was like I thought she thought I was like the Campbell Scott character and it really threw me off from the rest of the night. Because you thought you were the Matt Dylan character. I was like I'm not any of those characters. What are you talking about? She's like no, you're just like that guy. And I'm like what? And there's nothing worse than being compared to a movie character when you're not when you don't feel like you're the movie character. Sure. But if I wanted to be anyone in that movie it might be Campbell Scott in singles. If you had to pick. If I had to pick. Yeah. I've just ruined transportation in Seattle and I just order Chinese food every night. True transportation in Seattle. I think I spent a year out of it. I was like a failure with Xavier McDaniel. What are your thoughts on garage door openers? I have a lot of them. We're going to take a break and then we're going to do most rewatchable scene. Most rewatchable scene. The beginning. What came first? The music or the misery? What came first, C.R.? The music. I think the misery came first. You think that there's something in there. The music about the misery, which then it became a cycle. But when you're young and you're like, I don't know what I am yet. Maybe you have lots of different feelings, but you can't put words to them yet. And then you see like, look at this really like my friends older sister likes the Smiths. What's up with that? Like that's dark. I get it. That's me. You know, like there's a certain kind of like you're you're basically like molding your personality to the things that you like. Yes. I think there's nothing stronger. When people talk about music, there's nothing stronger than the song you listen to when you broke up with some of the breakup song. And what that what what is the song that got you through this breakup or what is the song that always reminds you of that breakup? And so that's like the epitome of misery and music together. But the misery came first before the music. But you mold the music to the misery. I'm thinking about. For a lot of people, for a lot of people, for a lot of people. You sing a day one. I'm thinking of Adam and Eve. I'm thinking of the music. The people were not like more so you let's go, you know, not the vibe. That's amazing. But maybe with their very since the mids, they created a progression version. It's fairly initially misery was first. But then I think as we evolve as human beings, probably the music puts a face on the misery. Yeah. Well, so much of our life, like modern lives is how do we simulate danger? Like we watch sports to get the adrenaline rush but it's not actually dangerous and it's like we tap into sad music to feel something immense. It's not actually like harmful to us in a way. It's like they're just feelings, they're just emotions but it taps you into something different. I don't know. I remember it's funny because they play this song in the movie The River, the acoustic version of The River by Bruce Springsteen, one of the great concert album moments of all time when he tells the five-minute story. And I remember driving to Boston to go to a Celtic game and listen to they put out that concert album and he's telling this. The first time I heard this story and he's like, "When I was growing up, there are two things my dad hated me and my guitar." And he does this old Bruce Springsteen thing and he's just driving like this and then he would hear things like that and they would really resonate and this thing, you mean Bruce Springsteen was going through stuff in high school? Oh yeah. Why isn't it just me? Why do you think they called Jeremy L and White not you for the Springsteen? I think they could have done it Joanna. I think they could have gotten that full of nomination as well. Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable or is that miserable because I listened to pop music was the other part of this. I would say that's probably 50/50. I like when he says, "If you really wanted to mess me up, you should have gotten me earlier." He's a great line. Very normal thing to say to somebody. We know right away we're dealing with somebody's messed up. All right, more on rewatchable scenes. Jack Black's first scene we mentioned. Charlie you fuck a bitch. Let's work it out. Just that little piece. When he's going to see Marie play. Yes. This is so funny when he does the John Doe. She was shot dead and the theater note hit them off as fucking girlfriend and he just walks in. We get to see Lisa Bonay. Next one Laura tells the sister the four reasons they broke up. Oh my god. Junkie's sect didn't really enjoy that much. She may have told her to perhaps all of the following pieces. If your list is four or five like it's bad. Yeah, it's cool because he does the like I slept with somebody else while she was pregnant and he's like that's one. I was like that's the way we go from there. Rob plays the beta band in the store for everybody and that gets robbed. I like this whole thing about playing the beta band and looking to see who reacted. It's a real classic record store move. Charlie calls Rob back, but then he shows up and then we get the four versions of how he handles Ian. It's great. Laura reading the top five jobs. Do you have some notes on that? The top five jobs? Honestly, we've all very seen by that by that rolling stone, 76 to 79, producer, Atlantic record, 64 to 71, singer, director, and architect. The top five seem like a real invasion of privacy. I got to say like that's his list. He was in a drawer somewhere. Why did she even find it? I think all that is with Laura and Rob at that point in terms of invasion and privacy. I mean, I get it. Rob and Laura get back together. We know some things missing and then my pick, which would be DJ Rob doing the concert, introing Sonic Death Monkey, who coming off that album with the two kids, their song, I sold Mom's wheelchair. Kinky Wizard too. Then let's get it on and the Jack Black and then we get the ending. The last eight minutes of this movie is fantastic. That would be my pick. What's yours Joanna? I think you hit most of mine, but I will say that I want to expand on the beta band and say it's just that whole entire hand selling sequence, right? Like Jack Black is hand selling the Jesus and Mary chain and Dick is hand selling stiff little fingers. You know, and we're just like Joe casually dropping hand selling right here. That's what they're doing. Hand selling. If you work in a like a bookstore music store, you're just sort of like and I like the different styles, right? Like Rob just plays it passively and he knows he's going to hook people, right? Jack Black is emotionally manipulating this guy, so buying a stack. And then Dick is making like a very personal like connection with somebody. Yeah, you make it so crazy for him. He's making a genuine effort with Anna, you know? Right, but he's catching some of the sprays while he does it, right? It's the new green day. So I think that that because I think this is such a good retail movie, I think the whole busy Saturday hand selling. Do you have a favorite hand selling story? Yeah, because you can stack anything on staff favorites and it'll fly out the door. That's crazy. Yeah. You can put something at point of sale. It'll fly out the door, you know? Yeah. See, I've met a bit more in it than you, but the bootleg CD culture in the 90s. Sure. The life stuff. Yeah. There was a store actually in Kenmore Square. There was a store that had a whole bunch of great ones, but they would do the move of it would be behind the counter. It's the only one I have with the high price. I can't sell it. Jack Black does. Yeah. And you would go back, it really worked. You would go back and be like, it's still there. You're gonna sell that yet? I don't know. And then eventually the fifth time they would sell it to you for $20. My favorite. Yeah, what's your favorite? I was recreationally high on Adderall and a mom came into Newberry and was like, my kid really likes corn. Do you have any recommendations? And I was like, your kid doesn't like corn. And I like walked her through like the entire store. Do you feel that I just called to say I love you? And I was like, if you got to get them for guys, you got to get them this. And I was just like, she, I just changed that kid's life. And my mom's like, but in retrospect, I was so high. She was probably like, I'm going to call the cops. I had, I had a woman come in. She was returning hunger games or something like that. And she was like, this is too violent. And for my kid, I'm bringing my kid up religiously. I don't like this. So I sold her his dark materials trilogy. We're basically like, they kill God. Yeah. I was like, but she won't know that. So that's my favorite handling story. She never did. So I did the wine version of that when people order Pinot Grigia. And I was like, you know what? Yeah. It sucks. And if you don't like it, I'll get you the Pinot Grigia. Yeah. You're a favorite. I think it's going to go seamery to South play. I mean, it's got it's got the Dillinger trivia. It's got the Peter fucking Frampton, which is the only way I refer to him by his full God give it to him now. It's got day during that liner notes. It's got everybody swooning. And it's got Lisa Bonay in it. Like that whole movie kind of stops for a second. And everyone is just kind of marinating in it together. It's a great call. He's making me rethink my choice. What do you have to do? I'm tied between Jack Black entrance scene, which culminates with Cosby Sweater. Yeah. And the side one track one list making with the Captain Beef Heart vinyl problems. And like that whole sequence, because that is Jack Black being like, oh, a new classic casually slipped into the end of the top five. So you don't look so boring. Interesting. And I just like that is you would just have that fight about like the nature of your own list making at that time. And it was just so perfect. Do you remember before we started Greatland, we went to New York because I still had a met a couple of people and we all hung out at this bar. And it was like me and you and Katie Bakes and Closterman. Maybe like two other people. Yeah. And all we did for four hours was shit like this where we're just arguing about this job interview. No, this is what those actually wasn't a job interview. Yeah, but it was like, this is what we did. I was like, it was kind of the vibe that I think was going to we thought might be the website. But it was like, how all these people kind of get it. But that came out of like this weird era. I do have to say the Tim Robbins fantasy sequence, the Get Your Petulie Stink out of my store. And someone who worked at Bay Area Bookstores for a decade is my most part. That's my most quotable line from this movie. Get Your Petulie Stink out of my store. How many people did you bash over the head with an air conditioner in my mind? That was a good job. I have no way held it up. Yeah. What's the most 2,000 thing about this movie? I have a few things, but we'll go around. What do you got to hear? It's really weird. But I noticed at this time is that when Laura first comes back to pack up her shit, that's when she gets her laptop. And it reminded me of like, yeah, I leave my computer at work. You know, like, like when I leave work, I don't check in my email. I'm not like checking the internet. Oh, right. And it was just sort of like, if that was if that was now, the laptop would be in her bag first. You know, what it means? She'd be like, I'm taking my computer. I'm taking my phone and all this stuff. So that was that jumped out of me. Would you ever have a hard look in the mirror? I mean, bands, rock music. I think all that stuff is right there. But also calling the operator to get somebody's home address. Oh, yeah. Absolutely not. Directory assistance. Definitely not. What do you have? Rob's sunglasses, which I believe are Oakleys. And they're just like right on the edge of 90s. And in 2000 style, they're just like right on the cuss. That's good. I have the last last days of mixed tapes. Yeah. Describing someone a show, Crowish combined with Partridge family, Prietway, Lasus, they but black. I don't know if that would fly now. Yeah. Like Craig wouldn't understand any of that being tortured by answering machine messages. It's the tail end of that era too. Yeah. Yeah. Smoking indoors. Well, I was going to say I was going to ask if any Chicago listeners could just hit us up and let us know. Could you still smoke at your workplace in 2000? Because I don't think so. If you owned this door, that's a that is the twist. That was kind of right on the edge. But if you walked into championship vinyl and you were just like these guys have been smoking darts in here with like no windows open. But don't you know that championship vinyl wreaks the cigarette smoke and it doesn't matter when they stop. It's a person I've ever worked with that erectile. We're like inventor chain smokers, but we did it outside of two more being afraid you'll end up some day working in a virgin megastore Two thousandths, and then a guy in his late 20s early 30s named dick That guy doesn't exist anymore My name is named Scout now Craig. Do you know any dicks not a single dick? Yeah bring back Yeah, bring back that's what we're going with. That's what I'm going with all right We're going to cut that out for social what problem pony quick question. Have you ever made a mixtape mix CD? Yes, but not a mixtape and believe I mean this will shock no one after seeing this movie in high school I'm like why gotta follow Rob Gordon's advice for you got to start with the banger You got to lead it off then you got to bring it back down because you don't upload your what it was like There is a philosophy to it. I was very bad at it, but no mixtapes only mixtapes There's just nothing like messing up a mixtape and being like shit. I got to start all of it so Matt actually found my I found an actual mixtape I made in 1993 that I made it as a Spotify playlist And here is the order Feed the tree by belly. Yeah, yeah, sure canal who flip fantasy. Yeah Fuck with Dre day. Let me ride Jepetto into your arms, Mr. Jones time capsule by Matthew sweet cannon ball Make you sweat by key sweat. I don't know why he's on this. This is so good. Ordinary world by Dorian Dorian Remedy by the black crows. Let me go by cake and it begins Mm-hmm by the crash test dummies loser Get off this amazing by Erasmith uncertain smile by the the human behavior by Bjork and it ends with indigo eyes And I have no idea I must have human behavior by hammered. Yeah, yeah, free bill just viding out 93 bill. I think just trying to prove he had a lot of layers and I don't know who he was trying to prove it I can't tell for me if it's the crow counting crows into Matthew sweet or cake into the counting crows Like what is the most quintessentially bill? Yeah, that's what we would have been friends when I was 24 as what you learn What's it he would be like you don't want pito griggy What stage the best mix tapes happy because a playlist or I Think the mixtape is better than the playlist that I'm gonna make the case. I can do it now It takes so much longer. Yeah, I get it play list easier. Yeah, pop them in digital I get all of it, but there's something about the mixtape With you and not knowing what tears you put into the tape. Yeah Well, but also not knowing where the mixtape's gonna go is the art of the mixtape and somebody's listening to the first time and they don't know The order of why you put you did you tell them don't look at the things just listen to it and take a ride on it on the cover of the mixtape Now I just read this right now. What did you do? Sometimes I would make like zine style like cover. Yeah, it's beautiful Yeah, see are fucking renegade Renaissance man How was this not a Spotify feature where you can hide the track list and so you can make your own art Wow on Spotify, but you can't hide the track list. It's it's tough. That's the next frontier. We got a mixtape this Yeah, so it's almost like the vanish text that Apple has for playlists. You got a hover over Vanish the place and you should request an emergency meeting with the top two guys that spotify Gustav if you see the high fidelity Yeah, we're gonna revolutionize playlist and it's mixtapes. I have a shit load of what's age the best so give me yours I was gonna so I I don't know whether to do this here or apex mountain But this is the best breaking of the fourth wall in cinema history. It's really great and with the exception may be first-bular Alfie sustained. Okay. Yeah, you're I mean I'll face up there. I would say this is my favorite What else is on the list singles did it? Yeah singles did it There's a lot of fourth wall breaking momentarily like in space balls or something like that, but to have it be I am just addressing the camera As your narrative on the L on the yeah, ironically it was close to men's biggest nitpick with the movie really He doesn't like the staring in the camera. I love it because you can he they're using like swaths of the book in that He's just like reciting the book, but also one of my favorite parts of the movie is when Laura comes back and she hears the fourth Well, yes very very flea bag And we wake up the morning after Marie's like whispering it so he doesn't wait for all that stuff I think works texturally so well the time when John Cusack calls him and is like, I don't know how I feel about this Ian guy and then Marie comes in and He goes out of his office for a minute and talks to Lisa Bonay and then comes back and he goes, what That was just like in the back of percolating this brain hole scene. Yeah, could you have done this movie blind? I'm I'm finding that I don't need to look at my What else to do for what's interesting the best? There's a very very cool Cusack moment, which is like I'll give him some honor a dab for smoking here But the beef that he takes Between taking a drag on a cigarette and revealing the four pieces of information that Laura might have told Liz is like It's everything you need to know about Rob where he like takes this drag. He's like Okay, yeah, and it's like you're an asshole, but not without your charms and also probably Probably getting laid off the back of a parent dying because we call this the Jesse from reality bites That was a move What do you got Rob Marvin gays? Let's get it on. I mean only gets better with age to be honest with you I think final relative to two thousand to your point Chris like it is boomed Way beyond my wildest expectations to the point where I never thought I would own a single record It seemed inconceivable when I was 15 I would ever buy one and now you know You got to tidy a little collection of your favorites, and it's like a nice analog way to experience What do you have Joanna? 30-something white dudes talking about records and books and movies. Yeah, welcome to the ringer? I have Decades working in a record store who don't actually care about customers or selling records. This is a fucking staple This is what it's the best well because that was that's the way it was and the way It probably still is this is this is a like a perfect balance that we had in this country I still think we know how these places could stay in business Yeah, I don't want to name the store But I was in a store with Ben and they were just not interested in selling us anything because they were deep in a Conversation behind the counter and it was this has been a thing that's going on for 30 plus years of like Can you hold on a second? I'm in the middle of this meaningless conversation with Appreciate that or were you like I'm gonna get on fucking Yelp and kill these guys. No, I think it's just the culture the people that are in the store Aren't in the store to make money for the store. They're in the store because it's a cool job and they get to hang with that Whatever and it's like exactly how yeah com red bill like we power to the people power to the world You don't make enough money to care. You also don't make enough money to run down shoplifters rob does but the fact that Barry goes I'm like you don't make enough money to do that The concept of a grown up Charlie. I just thought it was really well executed two What's age the best two great theories from this movie the is it better to burn out or fade away. It's just a great Question with the black hand actor. Yeah, just the guys that his Stevie Wonder Point is like one of those like we're gonna fight about this for five hours Yeah, because now it's like I don't think anybody really wants to hear anything negative about Stevie Wonder But like a dude throwing a mall atop cocktail and being like Stevie Wonder's greatest failures of the 80s is like yo All right, man. You're a takes that was a classic mall top cocktail point You're right. You which you wouldn't do in the internet in the same way the other one. I loved was Rob's theory about how he Try to move up and wait class with Charlie and how guys have to punch their own weight It's like one of the great theories that I've always been jealous of is like I'm what what did he say? Is it well to wait or a middleweight is like he said he's in middle weight. He's like I'm a middle eight I would what was I thinking going up in class? I was like that's fucking great Katrina in the waves for what's age the best I think this was their only song And it's probably a top five the happiest song that anyone's ever made. Didn't you just hear it? It's like hey, let's go Sad bastard music. I just like the phrase. Yeah How about movies where there's a cute lead actress and she's really belongs to this movie, and I don't know what else she was in I'm sure she acted in a bunch of stuff But yeah, but she belongs to this movie and when I see her I see her in Like I'm glad this wasn't like Gwyneth Paltrow sure you know, I mean you mean even y'all She's the Gwyneth Paltrow of Denmark, so you know true Well, did you read what first said about casting her? Yeah? Then he was like if we cast an American she would seem too much like Rob's mom So we need someone who's like European hmm just because Rob is such a manchild, and he's like I need I need someone who won't feel like she's babysitting the promise. She still feels like she sure does she sure does Busy coffee houses with people pounding cigarettes here. Yes. I know you were getting the shakes. I miss it Overqualified stars doing small cameos. I just wish there was more of them like just let's get to Rob and then when he's red hot Yeah, it's gonna be in like two scenes at Hulu remake show. I think is age the best. I like that. It's so good This is just such a deal with the property. I just can't believe that they they gave up So we rabbits was like I would still be making that show fighting for it. Yeah Would that's a weird one that I'll have her Oscar though if probably not It's text each other about how we wish we were still making a high fidelity. Yeah. All right, here's my best what stage is the best There's an entertainment weekly 2020 oral history about this movie and Q sacs on a heat check in it To the point that I decided to create a new award for the rewatch balls called the John Q sac Kira ball word for biggest heat check in an oral history anniversary feature It's unbelievable. It's only going to like three The cousin to this is the Wikipedia where somebody involved with the movie clearly wrote a lot of the Wikipedia, which is also in my favorite Q sac has quotes in the oral history. These are actual quotes. I knew that Jack Black would be my secret weapon He had made a movie with Tim Robbins and there was a certain Vactors gang blah blah I knew the secret was that he was a great musician and a great comedian and hadn't gotten rolled with like high fidelity yet He's got like ten of those in this where it's like everything was his idea He knew this. He knew that he pulled this off He got Bob Dylan and give them most of the time. I was lucky enough to be friendly with him So I called him up But I said do you want to be in this movie blah blah blah? And then he has this quote my movies At least the ones where I've been involved in producing or writing or co-creating it A lot of times they don't get seen or loved right away when they come out So that's pretty common, but I am proud of it. I put an enormous amount of effort and care into this film The whole oral history is like that. Yeah, he's just he checked and I sent it to CR It was it was such a bracing read the it doesn't he also just like I just I had spring steam on speed dial Like I got him. He does that. Yeah. Yeah, it's I think it's a spotty reputation for Q sac I think this is Piven being his best friend is says a lot Telling did you read the freers quote where he was talking about working with him on the grifters where he's like I only had two good hours a day with John on the grifters So we had to schedule around that. He's like by the time we did high fidelity he had figured it out And he could like show it for a full day of work But on the grifters he only gave me two hours a day and that's it It's one of it's him and Nicholas Cage where it's just like it feels like the world is at their feet And and then they go on to make six movies a year that are on Amazon Prime This is exactly they were in con air together. Yes, John Q sex less great movie No, I mean hot tub time machine was a massive movie, but that's probably nine years after this Are you dumping for serendipity? What are you dumping for? No, I was thinking of it too, but it's 99. Yeah, this is the end of the run for him though. Well, yeah No, I guess like terms of I mean how can he start lean? Yeah This maybe it is I think it is I meant to do this before we did the categories about Q sex just like Going back to the short thing. He's in a couple of eighties movies even before the short thing like he's in class He's in one of the hues movies. Maybe 16 candles. Yes, where he's just a party goer He's just in the background And then he became like a main guy and he just sure thing is better off dead and then say anything kind of minted him And then I think he had a good 90s Um, but Lloyd Dobber I think was a really important character for entire generation. So I think people gave him a lot of leeway for a long time and then this movie helped But I don't I don't think he's sustained it in the way I would have predicted He just did a bunch of like I think bad rom coms after like he took the wrong lesson from high fidelity where he's like I'm a rom com guy now and that's not what He was like I'm a rom com or weird Like psychological thriller guy. Yeah But he probably actually would have been better off Yeah, good career, but he probably would have been better off like uh, I don't know some sort of HBO show and though Like being like the big love part and Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Definitely big love. I think it's the back and the wire Something like a swing jack you said I don't think that's the one Take Chris Bowers like Legacy would you have for great shot gordos here? I don't really this is a very subtle visual film But I had I like this shot of him walking with the metro graph movie theater in the background and talking about dillinger Yeah, okay. There's not a ton of Blinding visual stuff in us and would you have for a kid cut your pursuit of happiness where for best needle drop wrap? We could do a whole bracket. Yeah, I think for this movie It's hard not to pick Stevie Wonder like the closed-out song with Stevie Wonder But I think Bob Dylan coming out of the funeral is also that's a fucking powerhouse. Would you have Joanna? It's a beta band. I drive the rain drive the rain. Yeah, although We'll say puts the CD in and the song starts four minutes into the song. I was gonna say the exact same thing. It starts the hook Yeah, which is a nitpick we can't do it. Yeah, it's it's an eight you wouldn't do it in the record store with their such purist and be you can't do it on a CD No, because it's not even a vinyl. It's a CV. I have Katrina in the waves Because black switches it and it's like a pure needle drop. Can I go back to cinematic shot? Yeah, and say when he's on the Kinsey bridge and the camera's Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah, and he's going back and forth. I think that's the five things he loves about or Mrs. Valora Yeah, did you try to pay tribute to that shot when you did your walk in talks in Chicago? You know, I did it, but I can claim that I did all right, I'm taking a break and then we got a flex category for CR CR flex category. What do you got um the Den if thieves Benny Hano award for seeing stealing location when Rob is going through Before things that Laura might have told Liz. It's the green mill, which is the bar from heat. Yeah, Steve sorry blows the fuck up It's you oh shit. Yeah Wow. Yeah That's a good one. Yeah, surprise I didn't notice that Which is girlfriend award weekly link of the film. What do you have Joanna? He might be Lily Taylor who's an actress who I love First of all how dare you I love Lily Taylor. She's so great in this. I think that character's too real Yes for this moment like too sad for this moment and I needed more like Elizabeth Banks and 40-year-old virgin energy. I think from her. I don't know. I love the heartbreak like her performance Messes me up and grabbing him when they sit down and it's like I see anybody I would say to piggyback off of that I don't know that Rob reckons with like the wreckage of his you know Going back through his back pages interviews with these women where it's like pennies like I was basically like sexually assaulted after we broke up and then Sarah being like I'm off my meds and unemployed and he's just like great. Okay, move it on. We got That's what I have for what's age with the worst when she's like it was basically rape and he's like yes I rejected her right and you're like Yeah, not great. Um, I have yeah, I think he just ended up with the wrong girl in the movie So do you think he ended up with the wrong girl? I think you should remember the girl from the reader Really my girl in the test bricks and black breaking Gregson I just don't I think he should just like the chemistry Shows it himself. I don't think he should have wound up with anyone. Yes. I think he should have kicked the tires with With the reader girl. I thought but he's already back together with Laura when that starts It's your girlfriend, but that should have been the sign though He was only with her cuz he didn't have someone new He was only with her because he couldn't think of what else to do Then he clearly had this other person who's like this is like my soulmate here This whole point is that of course you're gonna meet somebody And they're gonna be distracting and they're gonna be like the the tantalizing new thing What was the strategy better? She was great Every day Problems like buying each other the same Christmas present, you know, it's not a real thing What's gonna happen when the Chicago reader negatively reviews the CD single? He's put out Like what the fuck, you know Thought she was a good calming presence I feel like if he hops to the next woman, there's no lesson learned Back with Laura is Alice and learn, but I think the real lesson should Laura should not have come back Well, so I had that in an answerable questions. This is a better movie if he ends up with nobody at the end And I think if they make it 10 years later, I think that's how it ends Make a Kelly well in the last 20 years we have shifted to We actually we it feels like a romcom, but we're not gonna give you the happy ending. We're gonna actually give you the The problem now is like we have so many movies in which they choose themselves at the end And I think it's like we're like it's so therapist in terms of the robs of the world now in films and TV like have to work out their problems in a real way Yeah, this is so increment. I should not be in therapy. They should DJ Well, this is a man's journey to thinking about a person for literally the first time who is not himself It's like the revolutionary ideas. I'm gonna make a mixtape of stuff. She likes Can we bring back crazy? Can we bring back the hottest take? So see our canoe a whole mention being there. We they should DJ Episode I mean why you know who created I choose me Gelan and us. I know. It's Kelly. Kelly Taylor. No, no, it's who I know. I sent Dylan and Brandon pack and she choose She's like I choose me. I think it should be a category. The Kelly Taylor. I choose me The rob and Laura getting back together works within the context of the movie being satisfying even if you don't think that they belong together I do what I think is interesting and I think this is true. I did not reread my copy if I fell in the last 48 hours, but um If you're just at one more night. No, yeah Even y'all even y'all turn the pages. Um Rob doesn't do his career shift in the book like Laura comes back But he doesn't have this like and now I'm a music producer, and I think that's an interesting ad of just like this is This is another yeah, this is another area of growth for Rob as he is sort of like growing in his career And Laura comes back. So it's like he's evolving in multiple ways It's just, it's what's funny is we all had the couples in our life. So they got back together like this, you know, like they're not gonna make it But then they end up getting married and having kids and then getting divorced there's a deleted scene There's a lot of great deleted scenes, but there's but there's one where Laura is talking to Liz to John Kusak's character And she's like maybe I should go back just so that he can break up with me and then it'll be easier And Liz is like that's demented and she's like I know, but like that would just Call everything down if I just go back and let him break up with me And then is something that people used to think back then though where it was like you just didn't have enough feedback So you're like maybe what I'll do We want to sex for three weeks So that might there's an interpretation if that scene stays in the movie there's an interpretation of the ending of like that's just what Laura is doing What was the other deleted scene? That's the famous deleted scene. Well, there's a couple there's Beverly, Angela with the with the the record collection Which in the TV show was the Parker Posey episode. It was so good and and then there's Harold Raymus is dad. Yeah There's one where when the reporter asked him to give his top five records It turns into like a full-blown nervous breakdown where he goes home and has like revisited and keeps like calling her back to add more records to the list There's a lot of really fun stuff There's a direct address that I kind of miss which is like he's talking to the audience and he's like yeah, you think I'm an asshole He's like, okay, take a moment right down the five worst things you ever did to your partner or never told your partner and then he like Next scene, he's like do you write him down? All right. Who's the asshole now, you know, and so it's just this like interesting relationship He has with the viewer where he What he keeps saying like yeah, I'm an asshole, but to your point earlier is just like I feel like he wants the viewer on his side Yeah, and that's that's really demonstrated. I think they do a really good job of not like almost not quite needing that because the Movie undercuts Rob all the time like he'll go on some super self-indulgent tangent and then like a dead body at the funeral goes underground Yeah, it's like this fucking guy like there's so many ways where they point at him and so many characters who are constantly making fun of him for who he is that Like it is the movie is judgmental of Rob even if Rob himself isn't calling stuff Yeah, in the oral history that the actress who plays Laura even yelling talks about the sexy and with Tim Robbins Yeah, and how it was fun because They were like this is what's happening inside of Rob's head. So it's not like a real sexy It's supposed to be what's tormenting him and I was like, I wonder how many of these scenes you could view as like an unreliable narrator telling you about them That being said, I don't think the film itself tips it's capped towards that very often. Yeah, so I do take the movie at face value when it's depicting events, but Slashback stuff. Yeah, you're like that's through a led for sure also age the worst, but yes, yeah Also for what's age the worst the the semi-stocking the mean spiritness of the massage name got to throw that in but that was the 90s Rob Rob ages the worst Rob is a character Rob is a character Charlie you fucking bitch. Let's work it out. Yeah, I was the funniest and most disturbing thing in this movie We gotta talk about Q-sacks hair Every time Julian is on somehow we get into the hair piece thing last time it was Robert Redford in your cross hairs now. It's Q-sack tell me never really answered No one no one has definitely answered my life sending me different screenshots him in the early 70s, but no, we'll never know I stand by it's a dying problem not a Like a wigs problem. Well Q-sack had the combo of he's wearing wigs in the movies for the throwback scenes, but then It's it's the real Q-sack and it's like are we oh no that So it's a lot of that. I don't know what's going on. You think he has fake hair just as Rob in present day Rob Well, he definitely added hair from the say aunt anything kind of or con air was when it was we talked about in the con air Progress I wonder if there's a lot of not continuity problems, but like stuff shot out of order in the sense that you can tell like He's changed his hair since they shot the exterior right to the interior and I wonder if it was just like That's not a huge concern of this movie is like how his hair looks, you know, I have another what's dangerous Springsteen's came you know just isn't that good. I just want a more from it. It's fine The Bruce Springsteen can you come up with better than Whatever it sounds like you guys read me w Did you read the consequence of sound? I did. Yeah, which was like constantly reloading. Did you have that issue? I so had that issue. We got to talk to the server people, but they talk a couple thing about the Bruce Springsteen came You won they claim that Bruce himself is the one who punched at that line where he's like, oh, yeah, you'll feel better They might feel better that that was like a Bruce Where he's like, no, it's not that they'll feel better and so and then also for Copyright reasons they had to have Bruce noodling something unidentifiable So they could use it. Yeah, because they didn't have to pay for it. Oh, that's interesting And they made him say on camera. I'm just making this up as I'm playing it Like if they pay for the river they would have just like paid for maybe Having them actually play one of his songs played something from tunnel love Well, then you then you're then your budget goes up from 30 million to higher and you're 47 billion. Tim Roberts on this movie. You're fine. Uh, Scott Rosenberg wrote the original draft said in Boston CR. Yeah How crazy with that about it ended our lives And then uh, they moved around and then somehow ended up getting right and created anyway And then my last one for stage to worse this movie did pretty well Which led to fever pitch and Jimmy found being on the fucking Infield grass as the Red Sox won their first world series in 86 years and I'll never forgive anyone for that But if this movie doesn't do well, maybe that doesn't happen So what's age to worse for me Joanna get Jimmy found off the fucking field my team just won the world He's fever pitch in the UK. I'm polish Nick Hornby. We've already made fever pitch. Why are we making this again? The ruffle a hand of Rubeneck Partridge overacting word. It's jack black, but I'm also It's got to get the wrong way. I mean, yeah, it's a compliment. It's all Rubeneck. We're we're a fan. Yeah, we're a fan Tim Robbins, but I'm also not mad about it. Yeah, it's all fun I do think Natasha Gregson Wagner who plays Caroline Forrest care for rubber She This is your first time last time Her flirt dial is cranked up so high she forgot how to be a normal person Yeah, that was a definite like it's happening in robs. It's weird. Yeah, some Olivia New Zealand Journalism and next questions Wow We're gonna. We're gonna go to fairs here with Jesus. Yeah, it's great. She's been relieved from her post as West Coast editor Oh, Joey has got a flex category Okay, I was tempted to do the category that I invented which is what a cell phone room in this movie I would say social media would ruin this movie. Yes, we all know too much about our our exes already or whatever I'm actually going to give it to the big kahuna burger best use of food and drink is when He says Laura's dad died and Jack black goes oh drag and then just chomps on a burrito And then just like a massive chomp of a that's good of like a 299 burrito very whole reaction to her dad dying of like top five songs about death a Laura's dad tribute list And then all the guys in the record store are like okay, yeah I mean tell Laura. I love her absolutely bring the house down Sierra, what do you have for the CR things Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford had us take a word I have to I wonder if Joe and I are circling the same thing which is kind of the TV show I don't know if it's better than the movie, but it has I think it had legs Uh My hottest take is that there's just no way rob and lora even get back together much less stay together and that first of all The Marie stuff comes out Fucking one day Barry's like hey, there's Marie to stop remember when you were sleeping with her for like a couple weeks when you and Laura broke up and I just don't think that I'm making a mix CD for the Chicago reader music critic. No, it's a wrap. She's she's just like oh cool Like that doesn't that's not I think so it's a wrap when he's caught making the tape. I don't know that I would say the show is better, but because by the nature of television, it just has more time to luxury eight in the side plots like I'm selling my Terrible ex-husband I'll say you don't you guys have the boss to the TV show is better than this movie And I like this movie the TV show is better. It's not a ball. It's an absolute it's absolutely crime. Yeah, it's that they cancel it That show is good. The show is good and it would have had to have been COVID because otherwise the best possible like Zoe Kravitz got to do Like you just got to see her do every also no offense to Hulu, but I'm going to offend Hulu like You're not exactly the 96 bulls Great to jakely see that show It's not like oh we have to cancel this because of all of our other awesome shows here on Hulu like what the fuck are you guys doing? Liz Lizzy Moss need a more money for him. I know it's a ridiculous. They have like three good shows a year max I heard next time you see a metaclipers. It's ridiculous. How do they cancel this Zoe Kravitz? They fucking blew it like they really had it in their hands And again, there's no reason to not let it play out But also not a lot of people at Hulu in 2019 like it was still I don't think Hulu is where it is now handmaid's tail was like one of the first I think I was watching normal people on Hulu and during COVID. I certainly was. Yeah Absolute bullshit. You're not normal people I don't know any guy. No, I don't know the story behind it, but I guarantee it's like whoever ran Hulu got fired And it was their show and the new person came in and it's like well, that's not my show. I don't get credit if it does well Yeah, they just got rid of it of it. I also was what always happens. I think in terms of scope too, one way that the show would work better. I saw this quote from Ryan Kugler this morning about like he's adapting the next files there. And he was talking about how someone in TV had told him TV is about like the most important journey in somebody's life and a movie is about the most important moment in somebody's life. The most important moment for Rob is at the end when he's like, I cannot believe I've been putting everyone at a distance. I haven't committed to anything my entire life. It's this huge revelation in the rain and his life changes from that point forward. But he needs more time to actually become a not shitty version of Rob. Yeah, you don't need to get Jack Black playing music for two minutes to be like, I've found the light. And so if you play it out over multiple seasons in a TV show format, like this is a journey story, not a moment. There's also like it would have just been cool if they were more realistic. Where it's like, well, okay, after he covers Marvin Gaye and you do one record release party. Like now what? Now what? Yeah. Now what? Did you take, did you have a heart of stake? I agree. Just like Laura should say, Laura should not have come back. I will say this movie does some things for Laura that the book doesn't like were at least in her POV sometimes. Like there are scenes of Laura without Rob. And the moment where he's crying for her at her dad's funeral does a lot of work for me. But in general, Laura should not have come back. I think. Did you do yours? I have one. The top five, you were talking about earlier Chris, the top five side one track one debate in the record store. The problem that a road nut being on it. Well, no, the problem with smells like teen spirit being on the list is not that it's like a cliché pick. It's that song kind of sucks. And nobody wants to talk about it. This is your hottest day. This is my hottest day. Holy shit. At the risk of never coming back on the rematch. You were like, you were like, comment sections have killed the hot take essentially. Here comes Rob with the smells like teen spirit is bad actually. Look, this is the Gen X divide. Honestly. Honestly, yeah, I think you're just like, yeah, you know, there's a lot to like about the bulls and they were coming for fucking Kurt. I was like, things to say about I would just assume that I do about smells like a spirit to be honest. Tell me more about why that. I mean, I think just like the emblematic bigger thing, which to me, to me grunge, you'll so put on to me the ethics of grunge do not feel authentic. They don't. I'm starting big and we start there. And then if I were to pick a grunge song, it wouldn't be Nirvana. I've were to pick a Nirvana song. It wouldn't be like the nonsense radio play Nirvana of all things. I just do not like that song. Wow, I'm speechless. Well, that's it for the crack. Wow, that was great. You have to rename this category to Ramon. I'm sorry. Not even overrated just sucks. I think it kind of sucks. You would have passed the category. You would have done very well in bars in the night. I feel like Rob is like Rocky. He's been fighting right handed. I was funny because I thought I had a pretty hot take. And now I just feel like tepid and tepid take compared to greatness. Yeah. I just don't think the music's good enough for this movie. Oh, what? Yeah, I think it's the biggest reason it was it was a rewatchable for me, but not like one of my movies. Cause I thought it got too deep. Cutie. Did you own the soundtrack? I did, but I actually now probably prefer listening to like, there's a lot of playlists of I agree. All the songs mentioned in the book and in the movie and also in the TV shows. Here's me wandering around saying even y'all in my hotel room and I listened to official and I was like, this is unsatisfying. And then I listened to like one of the playlists that it's just not that good. And I think it could have been like one of the great soundtracks of my life. And it's not to the movies credit. A lot of the music is diogetic where it's like it'll be like playing in the store at a certain volume. So like they could have had any like they could have had the greatest collection of songs ever. But I think they use music functionally in this movie rather than like days and confused where it's just like, this is the fucking best song at the best moment. I just think these guys would have been listening to more music from the last 10 years. They're doing this in 2000. I think the 90s, I was like one of the great decades of all time. I know, but like, this is one of my picket nits though. Okay. I'll do them now as part of my out of state. The smashing pumpkin is not being in this movie is outrageous. They're fucking Chicago band. It's 2000. They just said this crazy run. There's a touchy relationship between the Chicago music scene and smashing pumpkins. Yeah, but here's the thing. Billy Corgan in the Springsteen spot. I don't know, makes more sense. That's the age advice you want. Yeah. I want Billy Corgan in here. Hey, the world is a vampire. He's so weird. It's a better cameo. Oh my god. You don't think the Chicago pumpkins piece? I just think that there was like the bands that they're championing or like touch and go and drag city bands. So the pumpkins sell up and kind of. Yeah. Well, they're only one of the best bands in the 90s. I don't know. I will say the Billy Corgan went out of age. They picked the boss. And anyone watching now knows who Bruce Springsteen is. But anyone young watching now does not know who Billy Corgan is. But that's the thing in 2000. I don't think these guys are listening to Bruce Springsteen. But if they're a lot of critics, adjacent geeks who care a lot about like music, history, canon stuff, like the river is a very important record. He pulls up his fluid Mac album. You know what I mean? He's talking about. You guys don't think he wouldn't care about the 90s stuff too. I feel like he. But he does care about the 90s stuff. He's playing beta band. He's like. That's my point is he's going like the old stuff is like the most famous people possible. And then the new stuff is like the deepest possible. So you want to. I don't know what he's saying. I'm saying this case. You want older deeper cuts or mainstream current is what you're saying. Whatever he's doing are two separate things at the same time. And I didn't understand. But a lot of new, a lot of older music genres and like bands were getting kind of rediscovered and re and like appropriated by younger people because you could buy their albums for three bucks. So I remember like for most of my life, I thought fluid Mac was like soft rock that I listen to. But then when you can get their records for like three of them for 10 bucks. And you're like, Oh, shit. There's like really good songs on rumors and and Tusk. Like you that's how like that stuff kind of like was. Yeah, but I'm not saying manches is the guy in that movie. And by the time you're 30, you're not listening to the river anymore. You're listening to like for you by spring steam. Like you've moved on to deep regret spring steam. That's a part he's still like basic spring steam. But spring steam's been in his life all the time. Isn't that kind of the formula that was like the old stuff is the canonized stuff. And then the new stuff is like you are digging deep into the bins to find what is like hypersobic to that feels co here. I hear what you're saying, though. I'm just I just I don't I don't know how your mass appeal on one side and then deep, deep, deep cut in the other side seems weird. He contains multitudes. We really like like whoever they picked isn't massively canceled now. So that like, I'm casting what if Jack Black passed and they just basically bullied him into doing it. The role of Dick was originally offered the David Arquette. I'm going to give that like a small scale yikes. That's a way worse. Yeah. Liz Fair that's the one was considered for Maria so we'll never know. That's a totally different movie. What about Bob Dylan for the boss? If it's Dylan instead of Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, I just don't think he ever does it. No, he wouldn't. But like would that have Billy Corgan or Bob Dylan. Billy Corgan is so weird. Springsteen wasn't weird enough. I think what Bob Dylan is weirder. So he's probably better than Springsteen. Lisa Bonet is one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. I probably would still throw my life away for Liz Fair. I got to say. They talk about all fucking run. This is my jam. They talked about how hard that part was to cast. And I think there is something at Lisa Bonet specifically versus Liz Fair, which is Liz Fair's great. But she needs to feel Marie does like a alien to Rob. Yeah. She feels like from another planet. That's not Liz Fair's whole deal. CR, who are your 90s female musician throw my life away? Who's who's in your inner circle for that one? Well, like I like Liz Fair is definitely like the number one seed. She's Gonzaga number one. I think so. It was a lot of like fleeting like this. This is a strange conversation to be having in 2025. I want Sarah Shannon from Velocity Girl. I'm saying in the mid 90s, who were you throwing the life away? That's not a strange conversation. Liz Fair was up there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The girl like this lead singer from Velocity Girl would be another one. I don't know if you liked them. Did you what Julian and a half filled was from yes, the Boston areas. She was a big one for us. There's a couple others. We really sidetracked big time. Bill, do you have any other names and bring all your pocket? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You need to reflect it back to you. Well, you don't really like like what you were locked into. Would you care to go therapy or just go with DJ? Okay. Last track. Last track or where we were. Oh, you mentioned how room is Beverly, the angel. Rob Qsac said he wanted. I'm so tired by John Lennon for this key scene when Rob finally posted the lore and they couldn't clear it. Chandler and Miss. also dead at that point. But also, I think would have told John Kusak to fuck off would be my guest. Best that guy. Todd Luizzo counts, right? I think so. No, does anyone know his name's Todd Luizzo? I see him and I think he's the man named from Jeremy Garry and he's from this movie and that's how I know him. I actually, to this point, I think he's such a bad guy. His name is Todd Luizzo, I think. At least that's how John Kusak prays. Even Yala. But there's a better, there's a better that guy than him. Alex Dezzer. Yeah. Alex Dezzer. Yeah. From this place. He's real hit anyway. From PCU. Yeah. He needed two more scenes in this movie. Swingers. Like why are you a part of all the argument? He's in for two minutes and I'm like, can he come back and then yeah, I don't know. He got cut. This place is dead anyway. See our down waiters a word. Alex Dezzer, Catherine Zeta Jones, Lisa Bonay, Tim Robbins, or Natasha Wagner. I think it's Catherine Zeta Jones. Stronger. What do you think? Yeah. She's great. Did we talk about Lisa Bonay? Lisa Bonay is amazing in this movie. And I was watching this movie with someone who's younger than me and she was like, is that Zoe Kravitz? Said, no, Zoe Kravitz is not old enough to be in this movie. But yeah, she's just, she's absolutely smoke show in this movie. I don't think anyone's ever looked more like their parent in Zoe Kravitz. It's funny because we did this last week was exactly alike. We did this with Cameron Crowbert talking about Kate Hudson Goldie Hahn. How crazy was that a mother and daughter that could have played each other's roles? Tiger Gerber is like the one. And this is the same thing as she that one for sure. Tiger Gerber, but I think interestingly in the NEPO baby world that Zoe Kravitz has cultivated looking like her mom. Because like when she first started and like X-Men and stuff like that, like she doesn't really look as much like her mom as she does now. This is the new frontier. You got to lean into it. You got to lean into it super hard. You got to wear it. You got to style yourself similarly. I think I think it pays off more than people think. She's one of my true queens, Sarah. Zoe? Along with Lisa. Lisa. Yeah. Along with Michelle Feiffer. She was aware of the Cosby joke in this movie. Diane Lane. The Cosby sweater Joe. Yeah. Great question. Oh. Well, side swipe. She probably supported it. Yeah. What if what if it had been Cosby instead of spring singing? Yeah. They would have been like, "Can we get Corgan still?" It's Corgan available. Recasting couch director, Sidium. Just throwing this thing quick. Can we test drive? Just take, hop in the car with me for Samantha Mathes is Laura. Oh, Jesus. Just quick driver on the block with that thought. But then, then I get very comfortable. Well, it comes up in this category more than Samantha Mathes. I know. I'm, I keep trying with her. I just thought it was a little throwback to the early 90s and Gen X. We were talking about her. We were talking about River Phoenix on the sneakers pod. And they're and their country music movie that they made together. What about Laura Lennie? I was trying to think like how early Laura Lennie. She's in Congo by now. So this is like, you can count on me. No. No. Like I'm already like, she's already big saying. Congo's like 90. Yeah, early 90s. Oh, so she's, she's in the mix already. I think she's like, she could really nail this part. She's just, can she be the part of your law? She's like a whisper away from love actually. Yeah. The only other one if you're going to keep. - Thank you. - If you're gonna keep Laura being from Europe, what about Fomke Johnson? - Wow. - That's powerful. That's a lot for one movie. - She's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, really hard. - The world is in high fidelity. - Yeah, you're run. - I think you're bringing too much firepower. - I have the cell phone. Same thought as Joe and that this movie, this movie makes, like, not knowing what happens to your ex seem torturous when reality it's actually like the beauty of it. And that now, I mean, Rob would be on a list now, if he had any of these fucking seconds. - Yeah, he would let this do like commercial. - Now, if he knew that like, somebody was like, across the street in a cafe or was posting photos with like a different guy, he would have completely lost his mind. - But the other category I want to give, which is kind of odd is the sausage Jenkins award, the actor you can't believe to become a bigger star. Jack Black, although you are right, he is literally probably the most dependable box office star right now, but he is a kid star. And I think it's kind of crazy that Jack Black never really was like an adult comedy movie star. And for how funny he is, he was never even like the top five of like, that's my favorite comedy star. He never really had like the big movie. He had shallow how. - Which kind of, they tried it, right? - They tried not your Libre and things like that. He's really funny and tropic thunder. Well like, it's crazy that he never had it Austin Powers or an Ace Ventura. He's so physically gifted. And he like never became an adult comedy star. Like a big one. I think that's really weird. - Would you not count School of Rock as like one of-- - It's a kids movie. - Yeah, but he's saying like, he never got in the Appetite crowd. - Yeah, no. - He never had his franchise comedy. - I think so. - It's a good point. Like there should have been like probably five School of Rocks. - Yeah. - Where there was only one. - He did not think he had that now. Like you could just base, I mean like it's strange that like somebody wouldn't make a movie with Jack Black now. Or it's like, what's your Ace Ventura? - Like could he have been like Jim Carrey. Like had like a 1994 Jim Carrey. - Because he was so gifted physically as a comedian. - Yeah, definitely. - And it just never trained. And he was so good in tropic thunder. And he's really good in the roles he's given. But I can't believe he never had his own franchise. - Stay tuned this holiday season for Anaconda. - That's true. - That's true. - Also the holiday of perpetual rewatch for a lot of people. I think he's maybe the weirdest part of that. - He is. - So I don't believe he's like the weakling of the holiday. I think part of the problem with him was the tenacious D thing was pretty all-consuming. - Sure. - He was like on the road half the time with them. - He has said that like he was worried about making this movie. Some people have the theory in this consequence of sound oral history that he was worried because he was too scared. And he said that as well. But he was also like, but my music career was taking off. And that was something that I was really interested in as well. - Yeah. - So yeah. - Half ice in our research. Not a lot except for you can, if you want to know the Marie de Salle CD, what was on it. - Yeah. - This is really funny. - After baby, I love your way. It includes ghost busters, beat it, baby got back. I will survive, Bob. My heart will go on the time is now pretty weird. - I will kickstart the Marie de Salle ghost busters cut. Like I need Lisa Bonet singing ghost busters in my life. I just need it. - You should turn it up. - Turn that thing up. - Tim Robbins said he agreed to take the small roles in high fidelity and anchorman because he didn't care about the money, but he wanted to keep the custom made wings, wigs. And that was part of the deal that he got to keep the wigs from those things. - Do you think Susan will enjoy the Ian, right? - I think he's still so random, right? - Got to give it up was the original Jack Black song for that scene, and he really wanted to do the other one. So they did the other one. How many movies do you think Joan and John Cusack have appeared in together? - So many. - Career. - Not only how many, but are they the best brother, sister, actor, tandem to appear in film? - Who are they competing in? - Jill and Hall. - Together. - How many Jill and Hall movies are there? - Donny Darko. - Yeah. - How does one suck a fuck? - How exactly does one suck a fuck around? - Eating guests, how many? - Five. - 10. - Wow. There's a bunch that they're just, yeah. They're both sporting, not very big of it. - 'Cause she's also in that huge movie that he's in. - Yeah. - She's incredible at Rose Point Blank, too. - Oh yeah. Has that been a real launchable yet? - Rose Point Blank. - Because she, like, I like that this is sort of her, like, girl on the phone is like kind of her role in this movie, too. - Well, and the scene at the funeral between the two of them is one of the best scenes in the movie. - Which is like, we are talking about a lot of us. Laura. - There's a theory that there's five albums that you can see in Rob's apartment that that's his top five albums. - Yeah. - And it's Funkadelic, Neil Young, Beach Boys, Sonic Youth, and The Miniman. - It's a pretty good five. - Check it out. - Check it out. - It's a good theory. - Which Beach Boys album. - That sounds copy-passed. - Wow, honey. - Oh. - See, little curve ball. - Yep. It's like Rob. - Classic Rob. - Rob got us again. Speaking of Rob, Rob, you have a flex category. You're first one. - I do. - Probably your last half. - I'm gonna go out and flames that. - You're coming for-- - You took over the hottest take category. - Once we sit in that clip to Courtney Love. - Yeah. - Absolutely screwed. - I can't wait for fantasy for that clip. - I know. - Top three people who would go nuts for that clip. - Definitely like Yossi and Shawn are gonna lose their minds when they hear that. - Yeah, we make a lot of fun for Yossi. - Yeah. - Let's keep that away from Yossi. - Rob, you were like establishing yourself as a music guy. - I love it. Listen, as Avie know, we need more hottest takes than life. - That's right. - If you tried to bring back cannibalism, that cannibalism is in pleuribus. - It's true. Thanks to Craig, I heard. - Rob, that's your flex. - I'm going to attempt the devil's Segal. So we've got Steven Segal shooting on himself for the most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. And this Steven Segal hard to kill award did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator. Apparently the Tim Robbins dream sequence that we've been talking about, it wasn't really directed by Steven Freer's at all. He went and gathered all of the women on set who were just like working in hair and makeup or working in craft services. And we're like, "Can you guys just tell us what to do?" And the result is that Eve and Yala said, this was the best sex scene I've ever shot and the most like the most comfortable I've ever been. So I put it to you. Do they need another intimacy coordinator or did they crowdsource an entirely new model we should be taking advantage of? - She said Steven Freer's was essentially like in the corner with his hands over his eyes. - To the corner shielding himself. - As the women of the wardrobe department were like grab her ass. - That's hot, that's funny. Crawl your hand down her thigh. - Robbins got like, I have like a small window to do this. So we got it, we got it, we got it. - Well, maybe this would be a new blueprint for intimacy coordinators that will go terribly wrong on some other movies that would be my guess. - Yeah. - But maybe don't crowdsource the crew. - Maybe not. - Or be very careful about your hiring in the crew. - But it would turn out to be a hilarious scene. - Fun fact, the cinematographer of this movie, sheamus McGarvey also was cinematographer on 50 Shades of Grey. Let's see, inspired by this sequence, who's to say. - I don't think so, we know about the 50 Shades of Grey into the C-Cordation. - Apex Mountain, Q-Sack, no. - What's the argument for no? - Gross, I blank. - I don't think it is. - But this run, like 97 to 2000, that run. - He doesn't like these. - You don't like the run? - He doesn't like the run. He likes the exact moment. I've trust me, I've tried to unlock this door so many times. - It's fun when a new rewashed person comes in. What's apex Mountain? - It's the most juice. He didn't have the most juice in this movie. - Is it? - It literally called him to be like, "Can you bail out our script?" - Because it doesn't work. - "Can you make this movie work?" And he's like, "Yes, I will do it, I will star in it, "I will make an unlikable character quite survivable "within the context of the movie." Like you want to spend time with Rob despite the fact that he sucks. I think he's got a lot of juice here. - Maybe he never had an Apex Mountain. - I think 96. - Just a couple of many months. - I think 96.97 is his area. - When is it Conair? - City Hall, Gross Point, Blank Conair. - Yeah, I agree. - All right, it's here. - Thank you. - That's like Blockbuster. - Yeah. - First use Puccino, you know. - But you stretch out a little bit and you go thin red line knock of itch this. - Yes. - Although he probably doesn't even know he was in thin red line. - No one knows they were in thin red line. - You could have been in it, guys. I don't know. - It was fun out of thin red line. - Deleted Smith singles. - Micro bangs. - Love that neighbor. - Oh yeah. - Micro bangs. - I was thinking about that. That was very attractive to me at the time. - Jack Black, no. - No. - Beta beat, definitely. - Beta band? - Beta band, a band. - Yeah, yeah. Bonet, no. Say it to Jones now. Good trainer in the waves, maybe. - Probably just to that or when the song actually came out. - Yeah, yeah. - Even y'all. - Even y'all. - Yes. - And her microphone. - Sad bastard music, maybe. Break in the fourth wall in a movie. See, I brought that up earlier. Possible. - I guess he does, like they do it in any haul. I'm trying to think of like when that would have been like, I think first viewer was probably the most like I was ever like, shh. - That might be the one. But this is, this is very good. - It's very good. - That's, you're right. That's what it is. It's Ferris. Or it's Stanley Roper on Thruce Company. One of the stuff. - Fleabag. - Fleabag is great. - For Fleabag. - Would you go for Todd the Wiseau? Is it the Manny or is it this? - I think it's us. - It's this. - I think more people know from the Manny. - Well, it looks like you can see show that has the name Ted and it was like a workplace comedy. Do you want him to talk him out? - Better off Ted. - Better off Ted? - No. - That's a thing. One of the like guys in the lab and maybe confusing him for another guy looks like him. - Chicago movies. No. Book movie combos from the last 35 years. - In terms of both are good. - Yeah. - 35? - Last 35 years. - Let's go back to 1990. - I think the answer is Fight Club. - Let's just do 25 years, 2000 on. - Let's see. - Why are we involving the 90s? - 'Cause I want to bring Fight Club into it as the answer. - What about Mr. Grover? - Atonement. - What? - Not my dog! (laughing) - Atonement's really good. - Fight Club. - When was Bridges of Madison County was in the 90s? - Mm-hmm. - Bridges of Jones. - Bridges of Jones? - Holes. - Obviously. - Holes. - Obviously, Holes. - 50 Shea's, we already said it. - Yeah, exactly. - Cruise or Hanks? - This is tough. - This is tough. - I think this is Cruise. - Hanks? - I'm never buying Cruise running a record story. - Oh no. - It's ending, he likes music. - It's Cruise as Ian. That's the most. - Yeah, I don't think Cruise, yeah. - Yeah, exactly. - Cruise is being rigged in all of the real. - I agree. - So is that doable? Can Cruise win on that? Or is he going to be the lead? - It has to be for the lead. - It's going to lead. - I mean, yes. - Hanks then. - Hanks is the rock. - Hanks is rock. - Hanks is rock. - But Cruise is Ian slash rock. - What role would Philips see more half than have played? - I think so. - So first said that Philips see more half an audition for this movie for, it seems like Dick. - I don't think you could put him with Jack Black, though. - No. - But because he basically does a Jack Black role in Twister, I don't know how to put that out for a minute. - Philips see more half than Jack Black. - You don't think Philips see more half than would have laid back and counter been counter puncher for Jack Black? - I don't think he's capable of fading that much. - I feel like it would be like Philips see more half and punch drunk love character. - Yeah. - Shut the fuck up. - Shut up. - It's like, hey, man, we're just talking beside one Dracula and he's like, you put some respect on Anna's name. - Yeah. - Thank you. - Pickin' Nets. So Jack Black's character, I think we would all agree was fantastic as a performer. Just not ever playing music in any capacity. - Never got you in the store. - Yeah. - I'm going to karaoke night, belted it out a couple times. Scott never sang. - I do like the idea that like when he's just like, how can we not put my record out? And he's just like, 'cause you just won't let anybody hear your stuff. That being said, the influences that he has up on the fire for his band has got nothing to do with the music that he plays at the end. Like, it's far from like classic soul, like pale head and primal scream and warp records is like all over the place. - Laura, being with Ian, this was like a '90s trope of same guy and singles with the ponytail guy, that Keir said his character ends up with, why do they do this? - You want to, sometimes. (laughing) - You're interested in understanding what Tantric is. Sometimes you're like, have I tried Tempe? I don't know. - Yeah. - Maybe I was just trying to play. - But how many earrings does this man have on his year? You know, it could be four, it could be five. - Something I said while watching this movie is, I'm upset that my ear jewelry and his ear jewelry is essentially the same. I was not happy about that. - There was also like a trend back then 'cause they would, like, the genre of world music was so kind of popular and it was a very like-- - Jack Black wearing the Yanny T-shirt, the Yanny Tour T-shirt. This is John Corbett's character and serendipity too, right? 'Cause he's essentially Yanny in that movie. - Yeah, I do think Rob referring to him as some super tramp fan is offensive. That's rude for no reason. - Do you like super tramp? - Fine. - But like, have in Nirvana? - No comment. (laughing) - He's a magnolia soundtrack, guys. - What are the things that we have? - The band that they use as a stand-in for what is it, Vincent? What's the other kid's name? Like the two, just the Kinky Wizards band. They play Royal Trucks' music as like this is what they sound like. But Royal Trucks would be a band in the high fidelity world 'cause they were on drag city, which is a Chicago label. So that just is like breaking a seal there. Sorry to get nerdy about that. And the way that Lewis, the Alex Desert character holds the Captain B part record, shows that he does not hold- - We're getting kicked out of that star. - $40 LP's 'cause he's holding it by the corner of the sleeve and bending it. And like, you're- - You're like, get your patrulli stink out of my stomach. - Well, no, but it's like that record is now worth like $5 less because of the way you're holding it. - So that was the secret sauce right there from CR. - I think it's really good stuff. I'm gonna go with Rob, can't afford that apartment. - No chance. - No. - Nor can you afford to pay dick and- - Is he paying them only for three days a week even though they show more time? - Like Evanston, like, how does that happen? - What's the ratio of people who couldn't actually afford the apartment they're in in the movie? Is usually 50/50? - I believe Marie could have afford her apartment. - Possibly. - No, I'm saying just this movie in general with movies and TV shows we like. The apartment's always next to- - I would say 75/25. - Yeah, 75 feels low. I feel like overwhelmingly, it's like, you just needed a space for one to film these places out a lot of the times. And then there's just no way they'd be realistic for a record role. - This is a big thing with my wife when we watch stuff. - It bothers me a lot too. - She's always really upset with if they don't get the real estate. - I mean, I think especially because in this movie, he's like, look at my shit hold on apartment. And I'm like- - And it's like, it's pretty good. - I will also say, the other thing about Laura moving in with Ian Slashray is- - Ian Slashray. - When he tells the story of their story, she moved in with him right away. So I think this is just something Laura does. - Serial monogamous. - Yeah. - Also a little weird 'cause Ian's living in Rob's building but moves out and then Laura moves in with him. - Right. - I think that's what it is. - I would need a minute to kind of process that. - It's a move. It's a ploy that my Lisa's expiring with. - Yeah. - Does it work? - You know who it worked for? My wife. (laughing) - What's the version of this? - She's a team. She's a team of my Lisa's expiring. - I think she's on the moon. - Yeah. - She's like, I'm here all the time anyway. - Yeah. - Next thing I knew that did had a roommate. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Cool. - Let me turn down my world music for a second. We gotta move you in. - I called that a story. - I called that a picture. - I went into a relationship and a girl is dating and got evicted and was like, I can either leave Boston or live with you and I was like, well, we wouldn't need that. - There's just like, as long as you know, there's four other guys. Working in retail in San Francisco in the early odds, there would be couples who would break up and they would like have to stay there because yeah, that's tough. Like someone has to sleep on the couch or whatever because you just like can't afford to move. So. - That's like an Apple news story you'd read on the side of your iPhone where it's like the divorce couples who still live together here at Harper's Magazine. - The real story of the housing crisis. - Yeah. - Six minute read. Any other pickin' hits from anybody? - After the funeral, Rob jumps over the white picket fence into the mud. He's covered in mud. and then immediately goes into her car and they have sex just vile absolutely disgusting. No, but he's also completely cleaned off when he gets into the car. But but how? Well, I would say it's a torrential downpour for about like 40% of this movie. True. That rain was coming out. So he's shaking the mud off his hands. Everybody has pneumonia. Yeah. Disgusting. Any nitpix, Craig? Nothing, nothing brewing for you? No, not yet. Okay. I'll let you know, just to be clear about the movie statement on this, sorting your collection autobiographically is deranged, right? Like it's meant to read is deranged? No, but kind of cool. No, it's it's how I explain this. It's crazy. It's a crazy thing to do. There's this is this is I got to tell you there's nothing more satisfying than reorganizing your CD collection record. I agree with that. Just taking them all out, seeing what you got. Yep. And cleanly putting them back away. Don't leave them stacked because the you know, no, the pressure. They'll compress. Rob, if you took your movies, your DVDs, your Blu-ray, your four case, and you put, could you put them in autobiographical order? No chance. There would be like fun to try. I watched this. I remember, I watched this when I was in fifth grade at the mall. Open your heart to it. Maybe. I'm putting on your bottle unplugged. Yeah. Who's to separate the one time? I went to like CD warehouse in 2006 from the other time. I want to be trading code. Maybe you're not a real one like this Rob. I guess not. You're not true fans. Is it meant to be autobiographical by when you first listen to it or when you bought the record? I think it's supposed to be every song has a story. So every every record has a story. It's like, oh, I listened to Super Chunk when I broke up with my girlfriend, blah, blah. So I have to find it in this year. The soundtrack of your life stuff. I don't think you can do that. It is when I would listen to Super Chunk. Yeah. Yeah. Any any other impacts because I'm going to move on to the Wayne Jenkins award. Do you have a Wayne Jenkins award? We can skip it. I could also be talking to doing one. I was wondering, I don't have any other nitpicks. It's Rob's first time. Don't you think you should do it? I would love that. You want to do a Wayne Jenkins? I don't want to do one. I would love to experience one. Okay. I had Steven A Smith as Rob in the scene when Ian Slash Rae shows up to the store as a fifth scenario because we have four scenarios in there. This would be the fifth. I'll pretend you're Ian Slash Rae in this. Ian Slash Rae. You know I like you. You know we're friends. But I did not appreciate how you came into this record store. That's how I'm doing that. Steven A and YouTube does this. That's very important. Oh, you got like a very like I'm warning you not to cross this line. Ian Slash Rae, you know I like you. Yeah. If you want to do whatever you want to do with Laura, I hope y'all are very happy. Just don't come in this record store again. If you come in a second time, we're going to have a problem. That's Steven A YouTube. That's really nice work by us. Pregnant pause. Lower voice. Yeah. Honestly, you really hit it. Bill Thret also an important part of the formula. I'm working on it. Yeah. And now he'll go to answering fan mail where he ranks Pokemon. Just want to ask her who gets it. I think Q's act, right? I was going to say Jack Black supporting. What a production designer. Oh, I like that. Good call. So she's like the record store they built that record for scratch. Unanswerable questions. Is this movie better with Ethan Hawke? As Rob? Aren't aren't most no no because you're taking Troy from reality bites and you're putting him in this movie or I'm zagging from Troy from reality bites and doing the evolutionary older Troy from reality bites like a self-aware Troy. He's dead already died. True. Froggy already went a court and now he's doing that. Hey, that's my bike crashed and burned. He's just Chicago and opened a record store. You know, no. I'm I'm in for it. Like I think Q's act is really tremendous in this movie, but I don't know many Q's act movies that Ethan Hawke couldn't also do. No, well here's the deal. I think Ethan Hawke is a way better actor than John Q's act. I think John Q's act has a like ability that Rob really needs that Ethan doesn't inherently have. This is my next question. Did Ethan Hawke market correct John Q's act? Well, it's pretty parallel, right? I think he's a little younger than him, but I mean, maybe that's part of the reason Q's act started doing so much other so many other weird roles. Ethan Hawke has all the sensitive boys and then Q's act had to hit it and do the job. And then John Q's act like I have to make a movie in Bulgaria with like three UFC fighters. Ethan Hawke could do must love dogs. Absolutely. But John Q's act could not do dead poets as Eddie. No doubt. But what about dogs? Not a bad movie. It's a bad movie. It would have been cool. Not a bad movie. That's your die-in lane head talking, I think. Sure. It would have been interesting if they put Ethan Hawke in the Tim Robbins role and made that character like much more down. It would basically be like choose. And Laura had to choose between the two icons of Gen X. That's just reality. Yeah. That point, isn't it? Yeah. I mean, that's probably a better in that role. That's a better Ian slash Ray thing, right? He owns like the biggest comic book story in Chicago. He's not even my friend. Yeah. Yeah. What piece of memory? A couple other possible questions. Who should Rob wind up with? Nobody. No, no, no, no, the reader. I'm already in with the reader, lady. Well, sub question. Not is it better to burn out the fade away? But, uh, why doesn't he call or did you also did that? Sure. It's part of the move. Like when he and Marie part way, it seems like I'll call you. And she's like, yeah, whatever. Why wouldn't he call her? Because both of them knew what that was, which was not an actual beginning of anything, but just sort of like, we're both not over the person, the X's that we're talking about. I just don't believe that that guy does not call her again. Even though he's trying to play that sort of more out of his league than Charlie. Maybe that's like more of my like, how about he has a better reaction to Penny's story? Yeah. And he winds up with her because he's like, we're having a great date. She has a light-up pen. Yeah. And that's what I thought film critics had to have a light-up pen. Because of this movie, but he's like, we're having, we're getting along. And if he has a better conversation with her in the restaurant that doesn't end with her storming out on the word rape, then maybe those crazy kids make your work. All he had to do was not bring it up. All he had to do was not be going through what is it all mean thing. And he never would have been fucked. Talked about the Alice and Ashmore, the one in like seventh grade, the first kiss, when he's just like, she married Kevin. I'm fine now. Kisses me. Yeah, I'm married. I'm fine now is such a good, like such a funny delivery. Yeah. That's the thing. Could Ethan Hawke do the like, I am alone in a room screaming. Because that is half of the exact performance. Yeah, you're right. That's I'm not sure he has that anymore. Just what do you, what do we think the ceiling on Rob's DJing is? You know, you had some thoughts on this. Well, so in the early 2000s, I would go see Hallertronics DJ and that was Diplo and his partner low budget. And they would play a lot of stuff. But like it had that same kind of like, I'll play the Neptune's and then I'll play like an 80s new wave song. And so it was like that kind of like variety was emerging as a DJ choice. But I don't know like they make it seem like Rob is just selling clubs out with his DJing. And I was just like, I'm not so sure that's like a viable. Yes, I didn't have the DJ type of personality. Yeah. Like, did you believe he was a DJ? DJs have a certain vibe to them that I'm not sure Junkyu set has. I can't see him being like, DJ's got to do a lot of that to get the crowd going. When famous enough that Caroline would remember him, but not so famous, she wouldn't remember that he's Rob and not Bob. It's like it's a weird fine one. It's a weird thing about Rob and Bob. Yeah. I think we all do, you know, but like it's nothing offensive. It's just like, I am not a Bob. Yeah, or a Bobby or definitely not a Bobby. Yeah. I mean, nobody wants to be a Bobby. But you could be a Rob or a Robert, but not a Bob or a Bobby. I mean, I literally am a Robert. And I'm definitely a Rob. Okay. Bob is just like it's a they group on the other side of the river. You should do a culture character called Bob Mahoney. That's where you save your real taste. Chris, have you ever considered Tofer? No. No. Okay. That's in the chalice. Never like that. Was it in the mix until Tofer great? I didn't. Yeah. It took years until I figured out that that was short for Christopher. I just found that out right now. And Liam's the other one. That Liam's didn't exist for the first 30 years of my life. I'm just glad I got past the era of my little league coach calling me Chrissy. You know, but that was yeah. I was really worried that was going to stick it. Tony soprano con Christopher Chrissy a couple of times. That's the last time that's happened. Yeah. What about Will Simmons? Like you're alter ego. Will Simmons. Yeah, I just never would have. No. I was Billy for the first like 20 years and went to college and dropped the Y. Oh, wow. Because my dad was always there. And I was Billy. They separated us. So did you just never introduce any of yourself? I'm like, I'm Bill. You're Bill now. Yeah. I'm Bill. Are you branding? Yeah. No bill. Oh, okay. What memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? What one thing? I'll have to be completely honest. It's not quite memorabilia. I want the record store all the time. I just want a storefront smoking indoors is allowed. We listen to records all day and are you with each other? Can I probably livestream it? There's a Marie de Sao poster that I think would be pretty great. Yeah, they went outside the club. There's a poster of her thing. I thought it was good. What about the Dickey shirt that he wears in Zoe Kravitz also wears in the TV shirt? Oh, quite good. Also, great coat. John Qsack, perhaps top five coat actor. The leather jacket. Yeah, the long leather jacket, but he's like a really good coat jacket actor. He knows how to like swing a pocket, except I like that. How about you, Rob? I would love the flyer for the record release party which, I mean, looks, it looks like a woman is giving birth to the name Kinky Wizards in space. But most importantly to me at the risk of doxing myself, the party's happening literally on my birthday. So I got to have the flyer, you know? Doxing. Just more fuel for the Nirvana. I am in this room for Courtney Love to steal your identity. Life lesson. Is it it's not what you like? It's what, not what you're like. It's what you like. Yeah, that's pretty good. What about for all the physical media collectors that the ringer fetish properties are not on my board? I mean, it is true. I'd feel bad selling to these guys if I was at one of them. How about when Rob is going through what he misses about Laura? He's talking about how she has character. And it's like, character is not taking it out on people when you're having a bad day. I think there's some truth to that. Oh. But more importantly, it's what you like. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I know what you're like. Double feature dress. You know, Joe, Joe got me thinking about clerks, but I had Empire records written down. What about if you, so if you flip the formula and you make a movie that's basically from Laura's perspective, it's also another Nick Hornby book, which is Julia at David, where she's like dating a guy who is like a rock in it, right? I like that, but I think that like the movie's pretty good. I think they could work as a double feature. I would say either gross point blank or about a boy. I would do say anything book ended with QSEC, the beginning of Gen X. Who won the movie? Jack Black. I think Jack Black as well. His entire career. It's, I mean, it's hard to argue. I think what QSEC gets out of this is pretty powerful and like all the iconography of the movie, the cover, the poster, him and the record stores, all QSEC. But Jack Black wins because he knew that Jack Black, this was the perfect, right? That's true. He made Jack Black. So after he made out of this, I called these guys, Jack Black was going to be great. I told Dylan when I was on the phone with them, picked all the songs in the movie. Yeah. What do you have? I think I have QSEC. I think that there was a road here where he could have done like an iconic generational role every 10 years and kind of did in his teens and his 20s and gets right up to the precipice of his 40s. And it just goes direct to video. Yeah. Too much time with Jeremy Pippen, producer Craig. Yeah. Never seen this film. Oh, yeah. But your wife likes it, though. Yeah, she saw it a while ago. And I think she saw it when she was really young. And it was like, now I'm realizing that I completely didn't get that movie and I need to watch it again. But there's a lot I liked about this movie, but there's no way I could like it as much as the people who actually fit the demo who saw it when it came out. Like I just think you kind of can't get there unless you were there. It's just not for me. It's not mine. Like I feel like you guys were like the people in the record store in the movie, like working there. And then I was the dad who walked in the store and asked, what are you in a coma? Yeah, I'm not going to point out the scenes. I like you guys like you weren't fucking there. You don't understand. But it's funny. This movie being in 2000, I feel like I knew less of the names you guys talked about today than a movie that came out like 19. Of the actors are like the bands. Just like the cultural references are just like gone. I don't like when you were just naming all the singers that you were like attracted to in the 90s. I don't know any of the names you're talking about. Half the bands over my head. It's crazy that I think that I was born in 1994. And it's like your parents, when they have kids, that's the time in your life where you stop consuming new things. And so from probably from like '94 to 2000, my parents probably watched the least amount of movies they'd ever watched, which is when this comes out. And then when I come to, in the mid 2000s, I was completely getting ingested into the Apatow era. So I think there was just like, they're these blind spots. And it's why I saw 80s movies before these movies because my parents love the 80s movies. So I think there's like a blind spot from like '94 to 2000 that I just like have no cultural reference for. And you never read the book. No, yeah. The book's really good. It's worth reading. It is. My copy is all water damage because accidentally left it on the lawn of my dorm and the sprinklers came on. And so it's all like crunchy and wavy. And I was just like, I'm going to keep it that way. I also struggle with the like, the emotionally stunted, like angry at the world. What was me like reality bites troid type. I don't, there's something about that that's never called. I don't love that. But that is the Apatow guys too. Like that, you know, it is slightly different. They're just thinking of fun of each other. Yeah, there's more stone, that's true. Yeah, it turns much more raunchy and slapstick. And then they try to do Mr. Skate. Yeah. Exactly. Instead of having a record store. Yeah, it's like, it's not as clever. Like the writing is not as clever deliberately. Like there are still lines in this movie that are very reality bitesy. Like John Kusek looking at the camera and being like, it was a state of ill-evised blah, blah, blah. And you're like, nobody in an appetite movie talks like that. Yeah. And it's still very, it's very lyrical in this movie, which is like kind of an example of that 90 style. Except for my guts have shit for brains, which is the line I would cut for this movie. I like to apologize for re-in-the-pot that I didn't mention the lady from Massey Star as one of my three of my life away people. Well, you did that class thing where you shoved the boat out. And you didn't come up behind me. It's like, who is your rush more? So the lady from Massey Star, who else? Jolanda Hatfield. No. Like, who are these people? I don't care. [LAUGHTER] Massey Star, you got it. I don't know that. You don't know fate into you. You would know fate into it. Yeah. Who was the one that dated Evan Danda? Evan. Jolanda Hatfield, didn't she? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's on there. I feel like we're missing something. I'm not prepared for this. Well, you-- This is the one that I know. I know. This is out here. This is out here. You've been a list on you. Yeah, but I didn't-- I didn't-- I wasn't like, oh, I'm going to talk about who I was attracted to for a decade. Like, I just forgot. You're always doing that in the office, though. [LAUGHTER] Cracken a cold poppy can. It was also like, there was just like-- it was more like, types of women. And it was like, you know, it was more like-- women in how heartily movies, or Noah Bobback movies, or whatever, you know? Yeah. Like the girl and kick 'em from chicken and scream. Yeah. Rob, how was it for you? It was great. Yeah. This is the kind of initiation I was hoping into. He did a great job. So thank you. Hope it just like burn your career when I think. Oh, yeah, this is it. It clearly can't be invited back. Jolanda, a pleasure as always. That's real. CR, you're the best. Thanks, Tim. Great to see you. Big girl back. Go ahead as well. Who else is back there? I don't know who's back there. I think Shout's out to Eduardo. Yeah. All right. We'll be back. How many more? What's today's date? It's today is like the 8th or 9th. Today is the 10th? Today is the 10th. Yeah, man. We have two more in the month of December. Yeah. Wow. There you go. Thanks, guys. Thanks Bill.